Major League Baseball announced today that it will require Brewers pitcher Josh Hader to undergo sensitivity training and to participate in the league’s “diversity and inclusion initiatives.” The determination came down quickly, after it emerged last night — in the midst of the All-Star Game — that Hader had sent a variety of offensive tweets before he became a professional baseball player.
Per the league announcement, it was determined that Hader “took the necessary step of expressing remorse for his highly offensive and hurtful language.” Indeed, the now-24-year-old called his own prior statements “inexcusable,” apologizing for what he framed as a youthful mistake — he called himself “young, immature and stupid” — that does not “reflect any of my beliefs going on now.”
Those interested in reading up on the situation can find a worthwhile summation from Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports, who documents the tweets and Hader’s response. Needless to say, Hader’s words were deeply offensive. It is encouraging that he acknowledged as much, though clearly he has much work to do to make amends.
Hader stated last night that he is “ready for any consequences” that may come. The league evidently will not impose punishment, per se. Nor, perhaps, would that have been appropriate. While many suggested last night that a suspension may have been warranted, that’s a difficult proposition given that the tweets were sent before Hader was even drafted.
A statement from Brewers GM David Stearns (on Twitter) suggests that the team expects Hader to continue “taking full responsibility for the consequences of his actions.” It’s unclear just what precise expectations the club will set, but it does not sound as if any specific disciplinary action is planned. Stearns says the Brewers “will continue to work through this issue with Josh as we prepare to resume games after the [All-Star] break.”
That said, there’ll surely be broader consequences for Hader, who is in his first full season in the majors. Hopefully, he’ll proactively address this matter and seek ways to turn his prior missteps into an opportunity to grow and make a positive contribution.
benintendiimpersonator
I thought this was a trolling post at first
sfg415sfc
People’s message: Its okay to be racist as lost as you are young. You all are the reason we live is such a foul country. Our founding fathers would be proud to know that intolerance and ignorance is still rampant in our fine country.
Bryzzo2016
Exactly! He’s white trash, his apology was clearly forced and disingenuous. He’s just sorry his dumb ass was too ignorant to at least delete those tweets.
Gobbysteiner
You’re all garbage human beings for judging a person on what he said at 16-17 years old.
mikeyt
One of you called Hader white trash and the other just called that person garbage.
Before we judge Hader for past mistakes we should look at ourselves and our own actions.
Gavin B
Couldn’t agree more with Mikey and gobby
dugdog83
Go start a club you two
brewcrew08
So your response to someone who uses language that comes off as appalling is to call him white trash?
pullhitter445
Got to love the trash commenters on here bashing an ignorant kids comments. I’m sure those same commentators are as wise today as they were in there teenage years. You live and you learn. Through your mistakes you hopefully become better through those failures and make impactful changes to better yourself. The people who want to judge and point fingers at others are the ones who should look in the mirror more often, you are the problem with today’s world.
Carol Kennedy
I agree. I’m a 74 year old grandma & I have said some terrible things in the past. Thank God I didn’t say those things on the internet, because I am not that person anymore. I’ve forgiven myself & forgive those who truly are sorry. No one is perfect and we shouldn’t be so quick to judge others. Now I judge people by their actions, not necessarily their words.
yoyobumchuk
I have a idea require all social media to be deleted and make new account when a player signs
imindless
Kinda stupid seeing as these were almost a decade ago and lyrics from songs. 1 tweet was truly out of line but to be honest People get so triggered these days about anything and everything.
eyoung11
2016 wasn’t a decade ago chief
brewcrew08
That tweet from 2016 was photoshopped, chief.
Jeff Todd
I am not sure at all of the details, but it is worth noting that Passan also added this (via Twitter) regarding the supposed later-in-time tweets:
“And before anyone asks about the alleged Trayvon Martin tweet: I found zero evidence it is real. Why someone would make it up when the original ones are as awful as they are is stupid, senseless and serves no purpose beyond opening a still-fresh, unnecessarily politicized wound.”
brewcrew08
Why would someone make it up? The same reason people waited years to bring out his past tweets while he was at the All-Star game. People like to stir the pot.
its_happening
And…?
Is Passan going to publish things heard in the clubhouse? Will he hire an undercover female cleat chaser to get saucy quotes from players?
Stupid teenager doing stupid things on social media. Sounds about right.
Jeff Todd
I have no idea what you are talking about.
– Passan was trying to be fair to Hader and so am I.
– Hader published the tweets for public consumption, which is not the same as saying something in private and it being overheard.
– I felt most of the comments reflected more teenage immaturity than committed hate. Some were also quite offensive.
All said, seems like most actually involved in this situation — Hader, teammates, team, league — are handling it well. Otherwise, there’s quite a bit of predictable foolishness in all directions.
stubby66
All I got to say is yes he did wrong and he has learned from it and apologized for it , but how about the petty person that held on to this for over the years to wait for the right time to seek revenge. That is just as despicable!!!!!
Deke
Were these posted when he was drunk? They certainly read like a drunk kid typed them out.
TrueOutcomeFan
Cleat Chaser?
Gocubsgo1986
Hoes in mlb cities that only go out with professional ballplayers
Caseys.Partner
“Hader published the tweets for public consumption”
When Hader was a 17 year old nobody.
What did he have, 50 followers at the time? Half of them bots.
Caseys.Partner
“Is Passan going to publish things heard in the clubhouse”
When Andy Pettitte signed with Houston the national “writers” said it was because Andy Pettitte wanted to be with his friend Roger Clemens.
The real story is that Andy had a girlfriend in NYC and Andy’s wife told him he was signing with the Astros or she was going to serve him with divorce papers.
Jeff Todd
The distinction I was offering was in response to someone going on about the idea of surreptitiously recording players’ private conversations. I simply noted that, in this case, the comments were made in a public-facing forum.
its_happening
Jeff – Passan is not worth defending. This is not the first time he’s fished for “stories” involving social justice. He’s on a mission to punish baseball players for any left-leaning cause he can find. That is his goal in life. Reaching for a guy’s VERY stupid tweets as a 17 year old kid trying to act tough, cool, better than everyone was bottom of the barrel where Passan likes to swim. Drama starter, any which way possible.
Hopefully the kid was reprimanded for it at the time. From a parent, a teacher, a counselor, a coach, any adult figure. And hopefully Hader has grown up, matured and has become wiser in his travel through life. That’s not Passan’s job but he clearly thinks it is.
Jeff Todd
Passan did not find the tweets, as far as I know. He just documented a story that broke when some enterprising internet sleuths got to work.
Certainly, it would have been optimal for it to have been handled in the manner you suggest at the time.
drewm
True, and it’s not limited to baseball, He’s a muckraker for multiple sports. Whatever valuable news Passan ever delivers is outweighed by his desire to create drama about professional athletes. He’s garbage.
majorflaw
Uh, Jeff. It isn’t you this time, but:
“The real story is that Andy had a girlfriend in NYC . . . “
strikes me as libelous and defamatory, particularly in the absence of any proof. Does this site have a policy about unsourced accusations of moral turpitude or do we need to write one?
Also surprised you let this idiocy go:
“He’s (Passan) is on a mission to punish baseball players for any left-leaning cause he can find. That is his goal in life.”
One doesn’t have to be a fan or follower of the writer to scoff at this unduly simplistic and paranoid view of the writing process. But this is just a minor point, the first one, involving Pettitte, appears a bit more pressing.
stevewpants
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
TeddyBallgameYazJimEd
Sensitivity training is indeed in order…for anyone who is so sensitive that they are offended by anything a stupid 17 year old kid says.. that’s why they can’t vote or even be the legal owner of a vehicle…heck can’t even drink for another 4 years when you’re 17.. If what he said then was in any way an indication of who he is now you would know it..
His conciliatory reaction tells you everything about this young man’s true character.
Boogaloo
Photoshopped chief.
But why let facts get in the way of your fake outrage.
jleve618
I was gonna say aren’t most of those quotes, but I didn’t want to sound stupid.
Rocket32
Leave Hader alone snowflakes. The SJW’s are at it again, what else is new. Can’t say anything these days. Watch what you post on social media, if you become successful people will dig through them to find something to attack you with and use against you.
mike156
Of course, one could just keep one’s nasty opinions to just among friends….but that would kind of snow-flaky, wouldn’t it?
This is a business. Get real. He’s in the public sphere. It’s a mess, he’s cleaning it up, and let’s move on
brewcrew08
Isn’t there a saying sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me? Guess that isn’t the case these days.
Rocket32
If you think attacking someone for something they said years ago is justified you’re delusional. He’s matured since then.
mike156
My point is he works for a multi-billion dollar business that sells him, and his team, to people who buy the product. Couldn’t you make the same sticks and stones argument about NFL players who kneel?
brewpackbuckbadg
That phrase “sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me” is not meant to excuse poor choices but to strengthen the will of the person being called the words.
jdgoat
He said he hates gays. Cmon people. What he said is indefensible
bigjonliljon
But from a legal stand point… he wasn’t a part of the MLB at the time. Can he punished or disciplined by mlb? What he said was morally wrong but he was a teen ager. I see this as mlb doing safe damage control.
daveineg
Any kind of lawyer could stop this, but that would create more controversy.
daveineg
He wasn’t in the “public sphere” when he posted it.
brewcrew08
If you take words to heart nowadays you need to get tougher skin is what I am saying. If you are hurt by a 17 year olds tweets my guess is any little statement or comment offends you.
thetruth 2
Why is he “morally” wrong? Since when is having an opinion illegal?
GoSoxGo
I agree. Sensitivity training will never correct immaturity. Has anyone in this conversation ever had sensitivity training? Judging from his comments now, Hader seems to have arrived at the inclusive position that MLB’s concern for its brand requires of him. Sensitivity training seems a redundant exercise more concerned with MLB’s image than with making Hader see the politically correct light.
Gobbysteiner
He also “I’m gay AF”. He’s clearly joking.
TrueOutcomeFan
You seem like fun.
TrueOutcomeFan
Hate speech isn’t an opinion.
Caseys.Partner
“But from a legal stand point… he wasn’t a part of the MLB at the time.”
Rob Manfred should have said:
“I police MLB players. Whatever those tweets were, they were made long before Josh Hader was a MLB player”
Caseys.Partner
“Hate speech isn’t an opinion.”
But opinions are classified as hate speech to attack the speech of political opponents.
swinging wood
His Twitter account was public. That is most definitely speaking within the “public sphere.”
TrueOutcomeFan
Saying you hate gay people isn’t an opinion. It isn’t political. It is hate speech. Full stop.
JrodFunk5
That saying is from times when it was acceptable for men to beat their wives and children. Since then significant research in psychology and social sciences have revealed the damage words cause.
majorflaw
“ . . . opinions are classified as hate speech to attack the speech of political opponents.”
What crap. Protecting hate speech as merely an “opinion” is pathetic. “I don’t hate (———) people, it’s just my opinion that (————) people are genetically inferior.” Not fooling anyone here with that hot garbage.
jkurk_22
For once I completely agree with you
Ryan Hilson
So you can’t even hate people anymore?
User 4245925809
Snowflakes is the key word. those who live in that clear, plastic bubble and pretend everything is happy and glorious all the time… or wish it was..
World ain’t that way, nor will it ever be. Step out of that campus fantasy island and see how the real world works.. Those wishy-washy college teachers don’t know squat how the world really is and do NOT teach anything about how it operates.
get out from that bubble once in awhile to prepare thy self, or prepare for a rude awakening when find out u cannot stay in that campus bubble any longer…
BlueSkyLA
I don’t work on a campus or anything like and I am wondering what the heck you are going on about. Makes zero sense to me.
stevewpants
So by that definition conservatives are the snowflakes. People who only watch Fox news are in a bubble, its just different, and feeling like you can be intolerant of people who want you to be tolerant is definitely snowflake territory.
jdgoat
All I got out of this is that John silver is a snowflake
BlueSkyLA
The reality is that everyone can now live in a bubble of their own design. It doesn’t matter what they believe, no matter how extreme, they can find a protected place were they never really have to be exposed to people who don’t think exactly as they do. Accusing others who don’t live in your bubble of living in a bubble has become our new national pastime. Sad, but true.
elscorchot
It is obvious you have no need for an education.
TrueOutcomeFan
Who needs to get out of the bubble?
DirtbagBlues
Only a few comments were song lyrics. Some of it was vulgar (obviously from the mind of a teenage boy) but nit necessarily intended to demean.
Then there were a few comments that are impossible to defend. It’s entirely possible the comments don’t represent who he is now. Just hope that’s indeed the case.
Caseys.Partner
“Just hope that’s indeed the case.”
What if it isn’t?
DirtbagBlues
Then he can surely benefit from sensitivity training and it’s great MLB is asking him to attend.
JaysForDays
They’re not asking. It’s mandated.
danlwebb5
It’s all part of today’s hysteria. The kids career is over. No way the progressives in the sports media allow him to continue to be a baseball player. They will demand his destruction.
Sam Bradshaw
Sounds about right. Go after people that are successful. Find anything possible. Only a matter of days before there are paid protests outside the stadium before games. Kind of annoyed. This is the one site I joined to get away from this crap. Let’s talk about trades not what a 17 year old said.
clevefan
Well said, Sam Bradshaw, well said.
#Fantasygeekland
Aroldis Chapman still has a career after a domestic violence suspension. If Chapman still has a career, I really don’t see how Hader can tweet his way out of a career. I read the tweets, they were absolutely awful… but what Chapman did was worse.
BlueSkyLA
The new victimology allows claims oppression for merely being expected to be a responsible adult.
jekporkins
i dunno, this stuff goes away. Didn’t some Astros player make fun on an Asian on the Dodgers and do the eye thing during the World Series? I can’t even recall the guys anymore.
BlueSkyLA
Maybe you can’t remember Yuli Gurriel’s slur again Yu Darvish but that doesn’t mean it was otherwise forgotten. For that incident, Gurriel was suspended for five games.
Gyrthion
Let’s not forget not only Yuli Gurriel but Yunel Escobar and Kevin Pillar with the gay slurs. All three players did this on the field and in uniform.
aj_54
yuli gurriel
User 4245925809
What would former Dodger great Dixie Walker’s punishment me now for all of his transgressions?. Just saying. Not a racist, but going back you know.. Strip him of all his glory??
NorahW
That’s BS and you know it. He’s apologized for it and is going through sensitivity training. He isn’t digging in and saying it was ok that he said it. His career won’t be destroyed. Stop it. You’re acting like a snowflake yourself.
Rick Wilkins
For something he did in high school!?! Man if I was judged now, on what I did in high school, I would surely be in some hot water. Dumb kids say dumb things. Not excusing what he said (no idea what that was anyway), just saying it’s pretty messed up to judge the guy YEARS later.
gneedoba
Unfortunately when you are a public figure that’s how it is. Would have been really stupid to suspend him. He’s apologized and is taking responsibility for the comments, which is all you can ask for
DirtbagBlues
What he said was pretty rough, even for a “dumb kid.” And he’s made some more recent tweets that imply he’s not fully removed from these beliefs. Still, I’m always for allowing people to redeem themselves. The actions by MLB seem appropriate. Would be nice to see Hader take some additional steps as well.
Caseys.Partner
“he’s not fully removed from these beliefs”
AND?
DirtbagBlues
Then the “he was just a kid” excuse holds no water because the vitriol behind the words are still very much alive. If that’s the case MLB has every reason to treat the comments as if they were said while he was actively playing pro ball.
Caseys.Partner
” If that’s the case MLB has every reason to treat the comments as if they were said while he was actively playing pro ball.”
So you want an investigation to find out what Hader really thinks when he thinks it’s safe to be himself?
Hire some ex-FBI and CIA to run an undercover on him?
Gobbysteiner
No he hasn’t.
Bryzzo2016
He’s not fully removed from those beliefs. He’s not sorry he thought/thinks that way, he’s sorry he got exposed for being ignorant white trash. It’s not a liberal or conservative issue, so I have no idea where this snowflake nonsense comes from. I’m not a liberal, I’m also not offended, there are plenty of ignorant POS in the world. Naturally Brewers fans will defend him, a shock to no one, but it has nothing to do with sports.
Personally, I don’t think he should be suspended for it, just my opinion. He’ll have to answer to his teammates, other players in the league and his fans that aren’t blind homers. That’s enough punishment as far as I’m concerned.
They reported that his own family and many fans that were at the game turned their Hader sherseys inside out after this broke, so again, he’ll pay the price for his ignorance, why punish the entire team and fanbase.
Gobbysteiner
Oh so you can read minds now? That’s awesome. Can you tell what I’m thinking right now as well?
JDC
I agree. It’s ridiculous that he is getting in trouble for something he did before he was even in the major leagues. If he had done it while in the minors, I would understand….but this happened in high school. This country is getting worse and worse and worse…..
Meow Meow
Sensitivity training isn’t a punishment. If he’s truly grown (as I hope he has) then nothing more should come of this. Major League Baseball wants to be an inclusive environment and wants to make sure Hader doesn’t get himself in trouble moving forward.
JaysForDays
Mlb cares only about profit and appearance. Don’t be fooled they care what type of person he is or isn’t – most how it will reflect upon their product and potential consumers. Like any business.
Caseys.Partner
“This country is getting worse and worse and worse…..”
THIS
b-rar
Take your buddy with you
Meow Meow
I think it’s an overreaction on the part of some people to act like the things he tweeted when he was 17 are forever damning and irredeemable.
I don’t think it’s an overreaction to hold him accountable for those things and require that he prove that he’s grown and matured.
This feels like a reasonable response from Major League Baseball.
Jeff Todd
Well said.
stubby66
I agree let’s move on and learn from it.
Caseys.Partner
“that he prove”
Excuse me?
He needs to grow a pair and stand up for himself.
Doomsday, Inc.
CaseysPartner, he already is, and has, and will continue too. But, in all honesty, no one really cares what you think about it. He’ll face the music, once he has to sit in the middle of that clubhouse and make amends to those he shares it with. Your help isn’t needed.
3rdStrikeLooking
You are a pure down vote collector today. Way off your game, for several days now.
Work on it.
arc89
Face it will all do stupid things when we were 17. The good thing is there was no social media or internet when I was 17. To make this a issue is over blown to the max. He said sorry and its over. By the way I am a liberal so stop your stereo type of liberals are over sensitive.
Meow Meow
I don’t think Major League Baseball (or MLBTR, if that’s what you meant?) is “making this an issue.” Enacting a suspension certainly would have been. Not acknowledging or responding to the controversy it created last night would likely have been significantly more.
Hader said the right things last night, and I think this is being handled appropriately.
its_happening
Don’t care about your ideology, but I agree.
arc89
Those who do not forgive him are the one making it a big issue. Like with any controversy there are a few that call and complain to the team and MLB. Usually the ones that complain the most has the most stuff in their closet to hide.
BobbyJohn
Seems to me that the ensuing several years of life that he’s lived ought to serve as pretty good “proof”.
Requiring him to attend training is nothing more than a publicity stunt on the part of MLB. All show.
BlueSkyLA
Taking responsibility for what he said as a dumb kid is part of becoming a responsible adult. Hader appears to be doing that, so good for him. I would assume he’s sincere, as MLB seems to be doing, and give him room to experience maturity and personal growth.
Meow Meow
Well said! It’s disappointing to see how angry this comment section is at this very reasonable result.
(Can always trust the old-school MLBTR commenters :D)
padam
Ditto. It was 7 years ago and he was still a kid without a clue. No excuse for stupidity, but at that age they grow and mature. Now, if he said it 7 days or 7 months ago, he has more accountability for his words/actions and corrective action is warranted.
Caseys.Partner
” just saying it’s pretty messed up to judge the guy YEARS later”
THIS
Rocket32
The thing is I bet you 90% of these people are hypocrites and guilty of the same themselves. If someone were to dig through all their social media posts, going back through the years, I’m sure you could find something to attack them with and make them look bad with as well.
its_happening
Rocket – thankfully some of us didn’t have Twitter and Facebook during high school years.
BobbyJohn
Made comments when he was 17 years old, has grown and matured since then (and demonstrated so), and he’s still getting raked over the coals.
This society has lost its collective mind.
brewfan27
I agree
jleve618
People love to grab their pitchforks.
stevewpants
“Made comments when he was 17 has grown and matured since then.” That may be the case and itd be great if the world always worked like that. But all the racists i went to high school with in boonie-ville wisconsin are definitely still racist.
Gobbysteiner
So quoting rap lyrics written by black men makes you a racist.
Caseys.Partner
“But all the racists i went to high school with in boonie-ville wisconsin are definitely still racist.”
What do you think should be done about them?
failedstate
Lou Trivino is lucky he isn’t famous enough to be on the MLBs radar.
DanzigInTheDark
ha, didn’t know about that one, and i just checked his twitter and there’s an apple notes apology pinned to the top.
deadspin has said it best: never tweet.
but if you’re working towards a public-facing career and you feel like you really really need to tweet, for god’s sake keep in mind what you’re trying to with your life and look at this, and the countless other examples before you hit send.
unpaidobserver
Ironically I’ve been following him since he was in A-ball and…he never tweets.
justin-turner overdrive
I don’t know why people don’t delete all their tweets at the end of the day. What is the point of leaving up any kind of take really? Time moves so fast now that in a month they will be stale at best and offensive at worst.
justin-turner overdrive
It’s wild that Trivino’s right wing twitter stuff happened literally hours before Haders, only he was on top of it right away and made his account private and deleted all the tweets. I guess that’s the sliding scale MLB is taking here?
aj_54
sensitivity training…sounds like a load of bs
osfan9987
You guys are that surprised? Dude he said the n word a bunch and yes it was 7 years ago but they have to slap his wrist I doubt he’s that upset about the situation it seems pretty standard issue
Kayrall
Why do they have to retroactively punish him?
agentx
May be retroactive punishment, may be pre-emptive. MLB probably figures it’s better to risk overkill and put him through training now than do nothing and risk having him revert to similar language in a higher=pressure situation down the road.
Tim Newport
Pre-emptive punishment…what a concept.
DirtbagBlues
They aren’t punishing him.
BobbyJohn
Requiring participation in training designed to “re-mediate” is most definitely a punishment.
BlueSkyLA
It is definitely not punishment. If MLB wanted to punish, they’d fine or suspend. It seems some are more offended by MLB helping this kid become a responsible adult than by the things he said when he was a dumb teenager. A real head-scratcher, that is.
Caseys.Partner
” is most definitely a punishment”
It’s public humiliation.
I can’t respect someone who agrees to public humiliation.
NEVER APOLOGIZE..
Never.
BobbyJohn
If the program is non-voluntary, and he faces potential negative consequences for failing to complete it, then it is most definitely a punishment.
DirtbagBlues
It’s not punitive. By definition it’s not a punishment.
Rocket32
If the snowflakes attack you you have no other choice then to apologize and give in to them. If Hader didn’t apologize they’d say he still believes those things today, he hasn’t matured, etc. At least if he lets them win it all blows over soon as they begin hunting for a new target, if not he makes it 10x worse for himself.
BlueSkyLA
Apparently the very fact that he had to acknowledge saying hateful things when he was teenager and pledge to grow up is “punishment” to some. Sadly the reasoning most likely is because they endorse the hateful things he said, and don’t see the purpose of maturity and the personal responsibility that goes along with it.
Jeff Todd
Sometimes apologies truly are warranted. And sometimes they are enough, too.
Caseys.Partner
“Sometimes apologies truly are warranted.”
Not for this crap.
Someone actually harms someone unjustly then sure they could see their error and apologize.
This is political garbage being enforced by hypocrites who don’t care at all about people, they care about money.
BlueSkyLA
Accusing others, especially nameless others, of “hypocrisy” is one of the oldest and cheapest debating stunts. It’s a way to avoid responding to what actual people are actually saying and also evading responsibility for your own opinions. No sale.
Tim Newport
..by definition…oh, ok..
LodgeBoxin
This is something the Brewers should of seen prior to drafting him. I know there’s at least some vetting along with the scouting. A simple internet search would of revealed these prior to draft and dealt with then not now.
brewcrew08
The Brewers didn’t draft Hader.
brewpackbuckbadg
You mean the Orioles who drafted him, and the Astros and Brewers since they traded for him and MLB for selecting him to the All star game.
Caseys.Partner
“This is something the Brewers should of seen prior to drafting him. ”
Please elaborate on what you think the Brewers should have done.
brewcrew08
Please tell me you aren’t arguing the MLB, Astros or the Brewers should have dug 7 years back and went through his past as a teenager? In all honesty even if the Astros, Brewers and O’s saw those tweets my guess is they probably didn’t care a whole lot.
El Duderino
Because he wasn’t smart enough to pay someone to comb through his social media and delete controversial things.
restingmitchface
Punishment is always retroactive. That’s how it works.
Gobbysteiner
He was literally quoting a Juicy J song
jleve618
Sounds like the same stuff we used to say in college.
kingtopher
Oh cool, were you a racist in college too?
jleve618
Look, since you never had friends I’ll explain it to you. We used to be allowed to joke with them. Simple.
osfan9987
You still are dude, but since you’ve never been I guess allowed out of the house if you say the n word and get caught people generally aren’t that cool about, sorry that needs to be explained
DanzigInTheDark
big difference between joking amongst friends and publishing it on a microblogging site for the entire world to see.
regardless of how you feel about this, if you’re too dumb/lazy to scrub your social media (or pay someone to do it for you) while you’re working your way up to such a public career, you deserve to have to waste an off day sitting through sensitivity training.
kingtopher
White people using the n word as a “joke” with friends is definitely racist. It seems like a lot of the commenters here could use some sensitivity training too. It kind of amazes me how many people here are defending it.
jleve618
I never said it was ok to post about it. Could you really not get that?
jleve618
There’s a big difference between a hard “r” at the end and a soft “a”
jorge78
Probably a frat boy…..
Gobbysteiner
So by your logic Lil Wayne and Juicy J are both racists because he was quoting the two of them.
iamoldboy
He was a kid. All kids make mistakes. All kids don’t know a thing. All kids opinions are formed by their environment. He apologized, he’s taking the next steps to make it right. Let it go, media. You continue to be nauseating.
Caseys.Partner
This is why we need John Rocker in the Commissioners Office.
Bart
We have you at MLBTR…even worse.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
I prefer him over at FG where he is literally referred to as “the crazy guy who rants about the Phillies owner all the time” by the regular posters there.
BUGZ
A line from semi pro got him sensitivity training lol
Gobbysteiner
Also lyrics from lil Wayne and juicy j
Bowadoyle
To much drama in today’s world. Life was simpler not having the internet. Not so sure it’s invention was a good idea.
Caseys.Partner
The Internet is the best thing that ever happened.
jleve618
Eh, I’d probably take tv over internet, but they’re both pretty great.
stevewpants
Tis the mark of the beast.
everlastingdave
Dudes say racist, homophobic, misogynistic crap on Twitter when they’re teenagers, you say? I am SHOCKED.
jorge78
LOL
Slipknot37
I love how when people say terrible stuff about presidents (not just the current one), no ones pays much attention to it or will praise it, but if it’s something along the lines of racist, then you’re a terrible person. Gotta love it
jdgoat
Why can’t you say anything about presidents? Some are moronic, some are liars, some are selfish. What Hader said was full on hate speech.
You can not compare the two at all.
Slipknot37
I kind of meant stuff like what ryan rolison, the rockies first draft pick, said. I think when he was 17, he said on twitter that, at the time when Obama was getting reelected, he said something like he wished someone would assassinate him. And after he was drafted, a pic of that tweet went everywhere his name went. And the rox had to say they were aware of it and that he was 17 at the time. That kind of died and went away. Here, hader gets criticized for something that has been quite a bit ago and has to take sensitivity training for it. My point is, a tweet from the rockies prospect about assassination can be forgotten, why cant this?
kiddhoff
Oh no! More OFFENSIVE language. From 7 years ago. Grow up, and choose NOT to be offended. Journalism is dead.
Jeff Todd
You seem offended by my use of the term “offensive”?
The language he used was, as he himself put it, inexcusable. I’m not going to shy away from calling it that. Doesn’t mean I’m issuing final judgment on him as a person. Doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be offered a path to show that the words don’t reflect his beliefs.
There’s predictable shouting on this topic. Look past that and you can see a way to make this into a positive — acknowledging the words were wrong and also that they don’t have to define him permanently. It’s promising that Hader, his teammates, and others in baseball seem to be interested in that approach.
jorge78
Right on!
kiddhoff
Nope. Not offended at your use of the word ‘offensive’. And I’m not offended that you posted this story. Hader’s language was vile, and I have never used that type of language. However, I am seriously tired of the media,day in and day out purposely trying to ruin reputations of people who mess up once or twice. No one is perfect. Sensitivity training in this instance is a joke.I respect and appreciate your baseball articles, but this has nothing to do with baseball.
Jeff Todd
Hard to know sometimes exactly where comments are being directed. Thank you for clarifying and sorry if I misinterpreted.
Believe me, we are not anxious to cover stories like this. When we do, we try to do so in a responsible manner — focusing on the facts and using appropriate and precise language — rather than fanning the flames.
As for the sensitivity training concept … hard to say I guess, but I can imagine multiple reasonable perspectives on it.
marijuasher
What media is trying to ruin somebody’s life? His social media behavior was found by somebody. Is that somebody the media? Usually, I see non-journalists behaving like crazy people on Twitter– doxxing and alluding to falsehoods about character. Those people are not the Media; they are on the Social Media.
But you blame Media. And I guess, Jeff for being Media. A term that is totally watered down by your need to fight something you read on a website. Amazeballs.
And yes this has something to do about baseball, because it’s about a baseball player.
kiddhoff
Keep up the good work. It is honestly appreciated. I still stand by my point that this has nothing to do with baseball.
kiddhoff
Since this story is about a baseball player, Hader, then let’s see more stories about, I dont know, their new-born children. Or maybe charitable work. I’ve seen this type of story too many times, not just in baseball. By the way Marijuanauser, dont br a sick up
Boogaloo
But professional victims cant make money talking about those things.
marijuasher
Just consider me Fake News, Kiddo. That’s what you Media bashers like to claim about everything you don’t agree with, which happens to be stuff you just don’t understand.
Say bye-bye now.
BlueSkyLA
Thank you, Jeff. This is precisely the situation. I am puzzled and dismayed by the number of people who are not offended by what Hader said as a teenager but are offended by MLB’s effort to guide him down the path towards responsible adulthood. When exactly did an expectation of maturity become a type of punishment?
kiddhoff
Guide him down the path of, blah blah blah. It was 7 years ago!!! How old do you think Hader is?Unless your perfect(I’ll assume you are not), based on your logic, everyone needs sensitivity training. Suck up.
BlueSkyLA
And I will have to assume that you live in a no maturity expected and no responsibility required world.
kiddhoff
I have lots of responsibilities. The maturity thing? Eh…. I guess that’s in the eye of the beholder
Meow Meow
Jeff, my respect for you continues to grow.
kiddhoff
Jeff, does the sucking up by all of these posters invigorate you, or does it turn your stomach? Lol
Caseys.Partner
“offered a path to show that the words don’t reflect his beliefs”
What if Hader says: “That’s OK, that path isn’t for me?”
Answer the question.
Jeff Todd
Then that information can be incorporated into the public’s viewpoints about him.
By the way, please stop injecting at-most-tangentially related political takes into the comments.
DirtbagBlues
CP, then the social media response we’ve seen is justified and Hader can live with the consequences.
Boogaloo
Oh please, you actually think he’s interested in sensitivity training ?
Hes interested in getting you social justice warriors off his back.
Would you like to see the numerous tweets that are homophobic, racist and sexist by BLACK celebrities?
Are you interested in sending them to sensitivity training?
Hypocrisy is what people are upset about.
Jeff Todd
You seem to think that I, personally, am the entire internet (or, the part of it you don’t agree with). I didn’t go looking for this story or throwing around judgment. Just trying to offer a balanced take on the situation that has arisen.
Boogaloo
Josh King, Donnie Corley and Demetric Vance.
Know them off the top of your head Jeff?
Most people wouldn’t.
They only were guilty of rape of an actual college student at Michigan state.
But what gets the attention,
A 16 year old kid saying things on twitter.
So if you want to ignore the fact there is a politically backed whitch hunt looking for a white Male to say or do anything wrong while virtually ignoring actual heinous crimes committed by minorities in sports, by all means go ahead.
Its the hypocrisy Jeff, that’s what angers people.
Jeff Todd
We don’t cover college athletics. We write about MLB. We have certainly dedicated quite a bit more coverage at this website to cases of alleged domestic violence than to this particular matter, which has warranted one story of six paragraphs. In some cases, those stories feature (at least allegedly) “actual heinous crimes committed by minorities in sports.”
Naturally, every time we cover a domestic violence story, there are lots of comments expressing dissatisfaction of varying kinds.
BlueSkyLA
Since you bring it up, I remember very well the reactions here to the Chapman investigation into violations of the domestic violence policy in particular. Many were fully prepared to argue that if Chapman hadn’t committed an offense for which he was prosecuted and convicted under the law that MLB had no business sanctioning his behavior. This in spite of the fact that both MLB and the MLBPA agreed to the policy, Chapman ultimately acknowledged his violations of that policy, and accepted the suspension and the other measures that arose from it. Not a lot of difference in this situation. Bad behavior always seems to have its defenders.
kiddhoff
I’m sorry. Gonna have to call you out again. There are more differences than similarities, unless you want to equate a racial slur to domestic violence. You may have a point though. 6 months can seem like 7 years sometimes I guess.
kingtopher
There were plenty of people advocating for Luke Heimlich to be drafted who argued that something he did as a minor shouldn’t ruin his baseball career. It honestly flabbergasted me.
I wish baseball players were held to higher standards with fans than they are for some of these things like domestic violence. They’re looked up to by kids and rewarded with huge salaries so I think it is reasonable to expect them be held accountable for hitting their wives or saying racist and homophobic things. I hope that in this case the sensitivity training helps. He is only 24 which is basically a kid and sometimes you do t realize how your words appear to people in different circumstances than your own until you are shown that. Hopefully he will move on and be a better person.
BlueSkyLA
They aren’t being equated except to the extent that MLB is a workplace (and a very public workplace at that) and workplaces can enforce rules of behavior. This they’ve done formally with the domestic violence policy (and others) and less formally in other situations. The strange if not bizarre part of this one is, the player and MLB are treating this as a closed cased. It’s only being turned into an ongoing controversy by those who seem to be aggrieved by the very concept that MLB and the MLBPA want to keep the game from being associated of this kind of behavior. It’s really difficult to come to a generous conclusion about why anyone would want to turn this into a controversy.
Caseys.Partner
“There were plenty of people advocating for Luke Heimlich”
I can’t speak for Hader but if you ever came at me using that child molester as the base of your argument you had better be ready for life and death combat.
Not a scrap. Life or death.
TheTrotsky
Well it’s good that you have come to terms with death.
marijuasher
The outrage against sensitivity training is downright outrageous. The 30% need to stop declaring they think for everybody else.
jdgoat
Go cry somewhere else boogaloo
arc89
Journalism is not dead just being destroyed by those who call everything fake news when it doesn’t fit their agenda or opinion. Journalism is when the story is fact checked and published. Fake news is when its a blog by somebody who is not fact checked and put on any internet sight without regards to their reputation. Know the difference.
PopeMarley
Now this is fake news.
arc89
Please tell what is fake about the comment instead of disagree about the comment because it doesn’t fit you’re opinion.
desertbull
Journalism is when the author, reporter, etc leaves their personal opinions out of the story and just strives to give the reader all of the facts in a clear, concise and unbiased manner so they can form their own opinion.
PopeMarley
Thank you. There’s some really good bloggers out there that have been hired by major media outlets. Just because someone runs a blog alone doesn’t make their stuff fake news.
arc89
If they don’t fact check what they write they are not a real journalist. I was a mass communication major in college. Everyone had to take a course on law and journalism. You need to know how to back up what you report and what you are not allowed to report by law. Example how many people still believe there was a Obama phone? Never ever was one but a internet site picked up the story and many published it without doing a fact check. Jeff todd for example would not report something unless he has facts to back it up or his reputation is ruined. If he was a unknown blogger there is no reputation to save. that is the difference.
jorge78
Kids say the darndest things…..
Thomas Walker
Casey, you have got to be one of the biggest trolls on here. All your comments are not meant to do anything other than condescend. Do you ever have anything good to offer?!
aj_54
I’ll answer your question for you. no he doesn’t
gofish 2
Better hope this comment doesn’t get dug up seven years from now. You’ll have to go to sensitivity training for being mean.
Caseys.Partner
The list of people who have done horrible things to me – physical too – is long.
When do they go to “sensitivity training”?
CobiEven
This does explain a lot WestcoastRyan. Those people were wrong. Fight or flight is not a fun way to go through life.
CherryJohnson
So other people do and say bad things. I think we can agree on that Casey.
Hader said some things that were inappropriate and could definitely be offensive to many of his current fans and teammates, whether or not you personally find them offensive.
He is now facing some backlash to those comments, and has responded with class and dignity, proving to most of us that he is a changed man indeed. The MLB decided not to typically punish him, but by sending him to ‘sensitivity training’ they get to go over the real reasons why it is not acceptable to say those things, and what impact those words make on certain parts of the population of our great country, while also getting to figure out how much Hader has matured. Most likely, they will find out he has grown way past that stage, and that he does understand why those kind of things are hateful (even if the intent behind them is silly, comedic, or moronic), and why he shouldn’t, and has not, used similar language since, and they will move him out of this ‘training’ quite rapidly.
Alright Casey, which part of the above gets you raging.
Caseys.Partner
“Alright Casey, which part of the above gets you raging.”
The media doing the John Rocker dance and MLB not defending Hader.
ESPN and others should have been told behind the scenes that they wanted Rocker out of the headlines and they would not accept a different outcome.
That media is and was even more heavily controlled then, but the extreme right wing MLB owners threw Rocker under the bus.
restingmitchface
First things first, this feels like the right course of action. He was young and dumb, sure, and he does seem genuinely remorseful. But that’s no excuse and MLB has to continue taking a stand against this kind of behavior.
Second, how did he not see this coming? When you’re a high profile person (an MLB All-Star, no less) don’t you think to delete your stupid social media posts before they blow up?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad he got caught because it’s a teachable moment for all of us. I just don’t get how, in 2018, people aren’t more careful with social media. Maybe these people are just plain stupid?
Skin Blues
Sensitivity training for a guy who tweeted out rap lyrics during high school, 7 years after graduating. Yes, this makes sense.
I wonder if the players who sing along to far worse lyrics than this in the locker room would benefit from the same training.
Boogaloo
Only if they are white
Caseys.Partner
“players who sing along to far worse lyrics than this in the locker room ”
Walk up music!
jdgoat
Yes. He needs sensitivity training because of the lyrics he posted. Not the hate speech. Wait to leave out the imports at details
Gobbysteiner
The hate speech? Lol is that the tweet where he said “I’m gay af”
mrnatewalter
I think this is the right move from Major League Baseball. They probably don’t want to go down the road of policing every comment ever made from every player, especially from high school years. Because, frankly, where does it end? BUT they needed to do something.
It leads to me to wonder, and maybe they already do this: but why doesn’t MLB just require some sort of sensitivity training for every draftee and international signee? As well as a class on social media responsibility. I think they could really pave a good path by doing something like this.
Caseys.Partner
“why doesn’t MLB just require some sort of sensitivity training”
Then what would they do with Hader if he already had it?
raef715
why did they need to do something?
1fifth2fifthRed5thBlue5th
They need to do something about what he posted 7 years ago? Really?
So, do cops need to give you a ticket for something you did 7 years ago?
Does your wife you just married or girlfriend need to leave you for something you did 7 years ago before you were together?
What they should of done is sent out a league wide memo to teams and players saying if we catch you doing this stuff from now on we will have you take sensitivity training or receive a suspension, whatever.
But retroactively punishing while not even part of the organization is a joke. He made the comments while not part of or even representing the MLB.
mrnatewalter
Jesus. None of those things are remotely the same.
-There are laws preventing a cop from disciplining you for an infraction from seven years ago. MLB has nothing saying they cannot.
-If your actions 7 years ago were egregious enough, it would be justifiable for your wife/girlfriend to leave you.
The MLB needs to do something. If for nothing other than a simple people-pleasing PR move to save them from pressure from certain groups. It’s not in their best interest to have players with stuff like this surfacing about them. It’s a PR nightmare.
Houston We Have A Solution
Mlb doesnt need to do anything except make a new policy saying potential draftees or people potentially to be signed by an MLB team will undergo background checks including social media and be entered into a program about social relations if they find anything noteworthy.
1. Dont call it a sensitivity training. Make it what it is teaching kids how their words as a potential employees matter. Social/community relations is really what youre after.
2. No current player prospect is subject to the new policy unless comments are made after it goes into effect.
Punishing him now is a joke. And even more of a black eye for the mlb than haders comments.
Creating a program to help young kids understand community relations as an athlete is worthwhile.
Falsehope
You know how many white kids that listen to too much rap music use the n word as a part of their daily vocabulary?
Social media is so far reaching in today’s society that it’s just an unfortunate reality that your past will always find you. Far more than in generations past.
His comments, while reprehensible, are only ‘news’ because of the hypersensitive social media that is always on high alert for ‘racist comments’ and a life, that may otherwise be years removed, to ruin.
aj_54
gotta get that shock value. but in actuality no one person should cast judgement on another person without admitting they too have done bad things
osfan9987
It’s not about casting judgement, for me to be not shocked that mlb decided he needed to take an hr don’t be racist openly in the public eye seminar is a far cry from passing judgement, of course people say reprehensible stuff when they think no one is listening yes we are all guilty of It, and sometimes it gets mildly punished but nothing about that is outrageous to me
Gobbysteiner
He wasn’t openly racist. He was quoting Weezy and Juicy J.
justsaying
Another case of political correctness gone amok. Perhaps rappers, etc. should have to undergo sensitivity training, too. I have a delete button, and I definitely know how to use it. If people live and die by what a then seventeen-year-old person said seven years ago, they need to learn to consider the source, hit delete, and live their own lives.
tharrie0820
I remember when Kendrick Lamar did a concert, had some fans come up to sing along, then went off on a white teenage girl and kicked her off stage when she had the audacity to…sing along
Boogaloo
But being outraged is their lives
yogineely
Idiot
agentx
Sure it’s little consolation to Hader, but I hadn’t followed Milwaukee closely enough to realize how incredible a season Hader’s had so far until this incident splashed his name across the headlines.
juicemane
Is anyone really surprised? or offended? or is that how were are supposed to react?
andrewgauldin
I live in California. Can I get some sympathy over here?
kingbum
This is just stupid….Why didn’t MLB dig into this before drafting Hader? Brewers could of said , “look Josh you got some things that people won’t like in your social media and we need you to deactivate your account and make a new one. This account you will be judged upon don’t put the team in a bad light.” That’s all that needed to be done here, we have to stop pretending these athletes are choir boys, Charles Barkley said it best in the 90s. “I’m not a role model”.
aj_54
but Rob Manfred wants you to buy hadrr jerseys
tharrie0820
I feel kinda bad for these people that go through years and years of someone’s tweets just to make them look bad…can’t imagine my life being miserable enough to the point I’d want to do it
Boogaloo
You don’t want to be a social justice warrior ?
marijuasher
Are you not outraged right now at this site for filing a report about the tweets? How are you any different?
Gobbysteiner
He doesn’t sound outraged though?
unpaidobserver
This is on the organization. Almost all large organizations have social media use policies and training to help people that work for them understand how social media platforms when not used carefully and responsibly can lead to negative consequences for their employers and ultimately for themselves and their future earnings. These are kids. They need guidance, and a watchful eye. To hold players accountable for not understanding the consequences of a dumb tweet but not themselves for not having social media use training is putting too much on kids, who already have enough on their plate. As we all saw last night, the players all have phones and, through social media, we all have access to their content when they share it.
brewcrew08
You are looking way too far into this bud. Hader was 17 when he tweeted this. What his high school coach should be on top of his social media? Come on now.
Theviolinman
By the time I was 17 I knew that hate and hurtful statements are wrong.
kingbum
At 17 you may know that you can say anything you want and be free from government persecution,, but not quite understand that doesn’t absolve you from societal consequences. Many grown adults don’t understand that.
Caseys.Partner
“By the time I was 17 I knew that hate and hurtful statements are wrong.”
Well, you’re a really special person. We all just hope that one day when we grow up we can be as good as you were when you were 17.
arc89
When you are 17 most people are followers and afraid to step out and make a statement. You laugh at jokes that are wrong and make fun of those worse off than you. When you mature most learn not to be followers but their own voice.
Bart
When you turn 17 you will have grown out of your troll phase and hopefully have finally left your Mommy’s basement.
Tim Newport
It appears that the age at which that happens has been raised to 37 or 47…
lowtalker1
Lol
jorge78
I was referencing Art Linklater…..
jorge78
I was referencing Art Linklater…..the TV show.
Sheev Palpatine
The Force is strong with you! A powerful Sith you will become. Henceforth, you shall be known as Darth… Hader.
yamsi1912
So stuff that happened when he was 19 & 17 years old force him to take sensitivity training now. Makes sense…….
dkramer
He said this stuff when he was 17!!!! Our society nowadays is just sad. Everyone getting butt hurt over someone saying something racist or doing something questionable decades ago now coming to surface. People need to get a grip on reality.
SoCalAngelsFan75
Hader’s gonna hate
jorge78
You mean “hateful” and “offensive.”
skrockij89
Just imagine if he wasn’t an All-star. He would’ve been DFA after the news broke out.
bhambrave
Thank God Twitter didn’t exist when I was 17.
tharrie0820
It was around when I was 17, but it thank God I realised how stupid it was. I’d probably never be able to find a job!
holecamels35
Breaking news:
Audio footage leaked of Babe Ruth as an infant making a noise that resembled hate speech, he will be promptly removed from the HOF and be completely erased from the record books.
tharrie0820
Won’t happen. Ty Cobb is a well known racist and is still revered
aj_54
how to get sarscasm
Gobbysteiner
No he wasn’t. This slandering of ty Cobb needs to stop. Ty Cobb was a good dude. He advocated for inclusion, he didn’t actually sharpen his spikes but advocated against it. He was descended from a long line of abolitionists, including his father and grandfather. He himself said that black Hall players should be “wholeheartedly and not begrudgingly accepted into Major League Baseball. Who is to say they cannot?” All those stories started with some dude he chose to be his ghostwriter named al stump who was mad that Cobb sued him so when he died he made up a bunch of stories that painted him as a monster and released it as truth. He was a brawler yes, and he did play hard, but he was not the racist monster that people paint him to be. Actually quite the opposite.
Gobbysteiner
mlb.com/news/ty-cobb-history-built-on-inaccuracies…
its_happening
Al Stump would’ve fit right in with today’s baseball media.
Senioreditor
I’ve raised 4 kids past the age of 17. None of them tweeted such vile hate. It’s not just an act of an immature 17 year old. He learned it at home and knew better at 17 to not spew such garbage but he figure WTF I’ll do what I want. By all means forgive him but realize that’s who he really is deep down inside.
baseballpun
The sensitivity training may be a pointless PR move, but pretending that saying vile, racist stuff is just a phase teenagers go through is BS. It’s not just a dumb mistake that everyone at that age makes – it came from somewhere, whether it was parents, coaches, friends, or something he actually believed at the time.
Gobbysteiner
He was literally quoting weezy and juicy J. Also a quote from a will Ferrell movie.
Phillies2017
Can we all please stop digging up dirt on each other just to screw up their reputation. Like seriously, who wins from doing this stuff?
and even as people will continue to insist on being stupid, why do we acknowledge it? It just adds fuel to the fire. People screw up, sometimes badly- I don’t need to, nor do I want to hear about it, as I can guarantee everybody has done something cringe worthy when they were kids, or drunk or going through a bad break-up. It’s when it’s that such behavior is repeated that it is an issue.
The Human Toilet
Hader having to face Thames is punishment enough.
Cubbie Steve
Just to be clear, which Josh Hader will be undergoing the training? 17 yr old Josh who sent the tweets or 24 yr old Josh?
I can’t imagine all the stuff that would be dug up on anybody if people cared to look.
No wonder kids these days are all depressed and interact online & by texting. Can’t imagine these kids literally not being able to say a word without fear of triggering somebody else and getting in trouble.
Here’s some trigger words: he, she, his, hers.
Those words could get me into some serious trouble at some centers of supposed higher education.
A 17 yr old said stupid things. That’s what 17 yr olds do.
stevewpants
All the anti PC people on here really over emphasize the supppsed retaliation that takes place. You, for instance, most certainly would not get into trouble for using the pronouns he his she hers. You use an extremely exaggerated example to justify not having to change your thought process. Yes you could get in trouble for purposely using an unappreciated pronoun towards a person when you know they prefer to be called by a different one, but to conflate that with using a pronoun accidently is wrong and you know the difference is real yet choose to push it to the world of black and white instead of shades of gray to make yourself feel better about not caring.
Gobbysteiner
really? Because there are laws in Canada and NYC that punish you for using the wrong pronouns.
jeffk-2
I know Josh and know that is not him. Like most of you said, he was a kid and make dumb comments. I knew him when he was that age and he was not like that at all.
desertbull
What a freaking joke.
“Diversity training” – AKA thought control.
stevewpants
Are you suggesting racist ideology founded on lies and junk science should be allowed to thrive unchecked?
Gobbysteiner
What part of what he said was “racist ideology”. He was quoting Juicy J and weezy.
stevewpants
More of a response to the how desertbull equated diversity training with mind control. Not so much the specifics of Haders quotes. Ive done diversity training for my job, it isnt mind control. Its a boring reminder that skin color and sexual orientation dont make you better or worse than someone else. Hardly something for desert to get so upset about.
chesteraarthur
“I can’t answer your question, so I’m gonna change the subject and start arguing something else”….found the sjw
stevewpants
Never understood how sjw is a negative. Abraham Lincoln was certainly a social justice warrior. And really Chester, being from the same 19th century republican party known for progressive ideas im suprised you would side with the ignorant.
BlueSkyLA
This “sjw” thing is code used inside of a certain bubble to mean everything that is bad with… social justice, I guess. You can’t really ask what it’s all about because really it isn’t about anything that anyone’s really thought about very deeply, except bonding like-minded people with a set of buzzwords that they all share.
holecamels35
Why are so many rich suburban white kids just begging to be accepted into black/hip hop culture? It’s kind of funny .
diller79
Did you read his tweets? I don’t think he was trying to be accepted into black/hip hop culture. I’m pretty sure you don’t tweet “KKK” and much worse things if your trying to get “in” with the black culture
jeffk-2
Because it’s everything they are not. It’s about getting women, selling drugs, being cool. They are not any of that. I was 12 when i started listening to it and 20 year later still do.
kidaplus
Knew plenty of suburban white kids who got women, sold drugs and were cool… guess that’s why none of them listened to hip hop tho.
holecamels35
I can assure you the vast majority of white kids who are playing organized sports in high school/college are not from poor families.
If you ever go to a rap concert, 90% of the fans are white kids 16-22 who think they’re cool because of their daddy’s bank accounts.
These same kids who become pro athletes are immature and sometimes it shows like in these tweets. They aren’t racists, just young and dumb.
kidaplus
Just as funny why so many people think suburban white kids are rich.
Very few are.
BigGiantHead
Where I live it is hot. It is summer. But apparently in MLB, snowflakes are falling. This has to be the stupidest thing I have ever read.
Hope MLB enjoys reprogramming him. Sheesh!
Ironman_4life
Agreed.
stevewpants
Yeah its way dumber than protocols of the elders of zion or anything right?
doxiedevil
If you say something offensive or put it out there to see you probably thought that way or were totally stupid. It was a while back and wrong regardless, some training can’t hurt, who knows what is in anothers heart.
The real challenge is showing your teammates that isn’t really who you are now or even then.
I do wonder if Hader was in the minors hanging on would MLB/owner give him a second chance?
acmeants
The MLB is perfectly correct to require sensitivity training. Many companies require all employees to have it. While Hader may have been a “kid,” a 17-year-old should know better. Unfortunately, such comments often are a reflection of the views of peers and family.
marijuasher
17 year olds don’t know better. One reason is because their brains haven’t stopped developing. We also live in a crazy world where folks decide that talking tough on Twitter is commendable. This should be a life lesson for everybody, not just Hader.
marijuasher
All 17 year olds need sensitivity training.
sufferforsnakes
Twitter is stupid.
xabial
I’m guessing you won’t be investing in Twitter stock anytime soon.
Ironman_4life
stupidest thing I’ve ever heard of. God bless America we’re becoming a nation of Pansies and powder puffs
jdgoat
I know right. Everybody’s crying because Hader needs to get sensitivity training for something he said which was terrible. It’s to bad everybody couldn’t realize that he deserves to have this sensitivity training. All the snowflakes keep whining and whining though how it’s too PC
Houston We Have A Solution
Yeah quoting rap lyrics is such an atrocity.
Apparently black people can rap it and say it.
White people cant sing it and say it.
stevewpants
Quoting requires a citation. What hader did was put out the ideas of others and claimed them as his own. At least thats what it means when you dont pproperly Cite quotations in the real world.
Houston We Have A Solution
You can BARELY get high school students to use quotes properly when writing an essay for English class. You really think theyre concerned about quotation marks on the internet?
Please go check as many tweets facebook posts etc from high schoolers as you can quoting something. Let me know how many actually bothered to use quotation marks.
Gobbysteiner
Lmfao are you serious? Yeah let’s get people to source the lyrics to songs they’re quoting in freaking TWEETS. You have to be joking.
raef715
everything is about appearances- just ridiculous to order this for something while he was in high school. but mlb is worried losing money because someone is upset that they arent doing anything.
I didnt see the NBA order this for donte divencenzo.
mike156
This just seems to be something that’s actually being handled fairly well. He said (clearly) some things that were dumb, albeit in his past. He’s in the public eye, and the business he works for worries about his image. He and MLB have reached a solution that makes the apology but doesn’t cost him playing time or money, and everyone moves on. It’s a reasonable solution that encapsulates things. This isn’t about free speech at all….it’s PR, and it’s over.
acmeants
You are correct. The MLB is a business and it is his employer. They have a vested interest in ensuring that this employee and others understand the consequences of their actions. Should such a thing happen while he is employed by the MLB, he needs to know there would be a severe penalty. Of course, there are still many who fail to realize that drug testing takes place. Can’t really regulate stupidity.
No Soup For Yu!
I honestly find it really hard to believe that nobody had uncovered these old tweets before now. He’s been on Twitter since he was 17 and nobody thought to check his old tweets? And why bring it up now, 7 years after the fact? 17 year olds mature a lot over 7 years, and bringing it up now doesn’t do anything except incite anger among the masses.
chesteraarthur
Simple – it wasn’t click worthy enough to bother with until he was on the ASG stage.
DirtbagBlues
Given it became an issue just as he was pitching in the all star game makes me think someone found them awhile back and was waiting until Hader was in the national spotlight to share them.
twentyforty
Kids? I see plenty of you MLBTR users post ridiculous things too. Perhaps not racially insensitive, but kids and teens surely don’t have the market cornered on asinine and ignorant social media commentary.
tomselleck
Every prospect should have a sit down with their agent before even drafted to address stuff like this. Twitter is a horrible place and people love to be mobs, finding this stuff. Sure, it never should’ve been tweeted in the first place. But don’t crucify a kid for something he did….as a kid.
bobtillman
Mercy…look at the guy….I’m sure he got some comments about questioning his own sexual preferences when he was that age….so he reacted the way most kids would, playing “tough guy”….and apparently, per one of the tweets, mommy had grounded him…..
What an unbelievable nothing burger……..;…I used those words too at that age, and grew into a Bernie-Bro……the point is, I “grew”……
daveineg
There’s 2 things these days that have no statute of limitations. One is murder. The other is posting racially or homophobic charged comments online. The PC thought police are stronger than the FBI these days. Some like the Papa John founder are old enough to understand this but still slip up. This was a 17 year old kid who was not in the public eye at the time who by all accounts is a great teammate and liked by his teammates of various ethnic groups, but no, what he posted 7-8 years ago in who knows what state of mind trumps it all.
Next thing you know, he’ll have to register as a PC Offender the rest of his life.
restingmitchface
Statute of limitations is a legal term. This is not a matter of legality.
socalbum
Imposing mandatory training and participation in League’s “diversity and inclusion initiatives” without even interviewing the young man? Article XII – Discipline, Section A Just Cause –“Players may be disciplined for just cause for conduct that is materially detrimental or materially prejudicial to the best interests of Baseball…” — this does not meet the standards that I am aware of for “just cause.”
stevewpants
For a sport losing fans and attendance figures in decline it certainly does meet the requirement of being materially detrimental to the best interests of baseball.
socalbum
look up the requirements for “just cause” under a collective bargaining agreement. Some times “just cause” is only implied in a CBA but the current MLB CBA spells out the “just cause” standard in order to discipline. I am not trying to defend the player only pointing out that MLB does not appear to be in compliance with the CBA.
stevewpants
Regardless of the texbook definition you are pointing towards, somehow i don’t think Hader using that as a defense will score him any points. You may in fact be correct but that doesn’t make it a good plank for a defensive platform.
socalbum
Did I say anything about a defense? No. Text book? It is a well accepted standard throughout U.S. labor relations including arbitrations. Neither Hader, or the union, or MLB would want to go through a grievance procedure, but that doesn’t alter the fact that MLB appears to have taken action without ever talking with the player — that is fundamentally wrong.
stevewpants
If you’re going down that road its gonna be a long trip. Mlb is a monopoly that is given special acceptance by the government. The league gets to determine its own meaning that has no bearing on what would happen somewhere else. Not to mention that the league immediately began talking to him after he was taken out of the game yesterday. So yes, they did talk to the young man.
Gobbysteiner
MLB makes more money than all sports on planet earth not named the NFL
stevewpants
Doesn’t mean they aren’t terrified of the day when that is no longer the case.
kidaplus
He wasn’t an employee of MLB or any affiliates… heck he was a minor.
If he wanted to fight it, he’d win no problem. But he won’t and he shouldn’t. That would only make him look worse and let’s face it, what he did was stupid, and sometimes in life you pay for your mistakes.
MilTown8888
Punishing players for their teenage thought crimes is definitely going to turn fans away and cause attendence to drop
DirtbagBlues
So he was trying appeal to that specific guy. Good to know.
odogfenway
John Rocker 2.0
Caseys.Partner
I miss John Rocker.
Gobbysteiner
You are such an idiot.
mlb1225
I didn’t read too much into it yet, but I wonder how tweets from nearly a decade ago resurfaced. My guess is someone really hated him for some reason, and was willing to do anything to give him a bad name.
clubberlang
Anyone that claims to be politically correct at the age of 17 is a liar. This is such a ridiculous story. Everything this guy tweeted can be heard/read on your FM dial right now. Only a story because he is White. #Truth
restingmitchface
Yuli Gurriel says hi.
jonesy
It’s such a touchy world we live in.
BlueSkyLA
On the plus side, this incident has taken our minds off Manny Machado. Whatever it takes!
bestno5
I think Americans need desensitivity training because people get offended over everything and it’s getting crazy.
stevewpants
Theres a middle ground. The answer to too much political correctness is not to say there should be no political correctness.
BlueSkyLA
Time to drop the political correctness argument. It may have meant something at one time, but now it’s little more than excuse used by people who get their jollies out of being nasty.
kidaplus
That is load of bull… there is a whole lot of self-serving motivation to a vast amount of the PC stuff… there is a great degree of power created from it… trust me, I’m a Hollywood liberal I see it action every day.
stevewpants
And i work at an institution not really cuz the same is true on the other side. Whole lot of self serving motivation for the anti pc side too. of higher learning. All of the horror stories that the anti pc crowd tout have very little basis in day to day reality.
BlueSkyLA
I can’t speak to your experience, only to mine. I hear a lot of insults and garden-variety nastiness described as “not PC” when the purpose is nothing more giving themselves permission to be nasty. Could be the world beyond Hollywood is a very different place. It shouldn’t come as a surprise.
kidaplus
Seen too many comics I know lose show/leave college circuit to buy that.
BlueSkyLA
And I’ve seen too many comics thrive with hard-edged humor to buy that. Maybe they are just better at what they do.
Boogaloo
Thank God it’s a different place.
Must be nice to take a break from all the rape allegations so you can focus on what some guy SAID when he was 16.
jd396
What bothers me, as someone who has an above-average number of sociology courses on his transcripts, is that all of this kind of who tweeted what BS has little to do with anything. It gives people a chance to grab a flag and have superficial political spats and that’s about all anyone wants to do anymore.
It seems Hader tweeted this stuff in 2012. In the ensuing six years, throughout the country tens of thousands of young black men have died in the streets for no reason whatsoever, and here we are talking about frigging tweets all the time.
Gobbysteiner
Brandon Crawford has a stick talk as his walk up music, a future song about drugs, henny, and gang affiliations. Should he be forced to go to sensitivity training as well?
econ101
Disgusting song… And the answer is no. Neither should. LOL
Gobbysteiner
The song actually goes hard lol. But I agree with you.
jd396
Joe Mauer has had TI for his walk up his entire career.
I’m not saying Hader isn’t an idiot or that people can say whatever they want without dealing with some consequences…. but this is on the other side of a line, where the people screaming the loudest about racism don’t have even the most rudimentary understanding of race issues in this country.
iangroc
What he said was wrong and inexcusable, however this is just an overt dog and pony show. It was a decade ago. We’ve got to stop trying to drag people down.
bobtillman
A gay friend of mine just e-mailed me to suggest Hader needs a good spanking….he volunteered…..
jd396
Don’t run for office, you’re officially a frothing at the mouth homophobe
Gobbysteiner
Lmao overreaction much?
econ101
***YAWN*** This is the world in which we live. No story here. Everyone his age has embarrassing tweets from the past.
mstrchef13
When did it become a thing to punish adults for their immature teenage behavior? It’s as if Hader (or anyone, really) is not allowed to grow up. Things are taken out of context and used against people just because no one, apparently, is allowed to be successful without people feeling the need to knock them down a few pegs. SMH.
alski353
Don’t read the comments, don’t read the comments, don’t read the…. ugh.
Think positive, think positive, think positive, think positive….
ajetergiftbasket
It was 10 years ago. I get it, what he said was wrong but tell me you’re not a different person you were 10 years ago especially when 10 years ago you were a teen.
Danthemilwfan
What he said was wrong but it was when he was a teen. His reputation is tarnished forever as the racist homophobic guy but any punishment is silly.
Boogaloo
What did he say that was racist?
Quoting rap songs? Lol
arc89
Nobody will remember in a couple of years.
Gobbysteiner
So people who want to crucify him are so pure they’ve never quoted a rap song in their tweets or to themselves. Right. I was singing red opps by 21 savage this morning. Sings about murder and gang violence. Doesn’t mean I’m gonna go out into the street and shoot someone later.
Caseys.Partner
Are Guns & Roses fans banned from MLB?
stevewpants
Are you the reason there is no joy in mudville? Did you turn Casey into a vegetarian sapping all of his power like Prince Fielders wife?
Jeff Todd
You know, the post doesn’t take a harsh stance against Hader. I don’t either. There are scarcely any commenters in this long chain that think he ought to be punished harshly or judged severely.
Who is crucifying him? I’m sure there’s plenty of it on twitter and facebook, but I’m not really seeing it here.
jd396
I’m a white guy. I have an extremely diverse taste in music. I have some good old fashioned 90s gangsta rap on my Spotify playlists. God forbid I explain what N.W.A. stands for.
stevewpants
Are you trying to undercut your own arguement? Because I’m fairly certain you could explain who NWA are and what they stand for without screaming the N word at somebody.
Caseys.Partner
” I’m fairly certain you could explain who NWA are and what they stand for without screaming the N word ”
What does “NWA” stand for?
Boogaloo
What does it stand for?
And what person did hader scream the dreaded word at?
stevewpants
Idiots it stands for a class of people that faced systemic oppresion that were sick and tired of it. I know you guys are trying to cute but asking about the n in nwa deserves the response, if you have to ask…
jd396
I hope you realize that you just walked right into it because you didn’t see what my argument actually was. Screaming “racist!” at the first indication of anything that might have some tangential relation to race dilutes any meaning out of any of this. I don’t know how people think they can solve race problems in this country when they can’t even have a halfway civil conversation to define the variables.
MilTown8888
His only mistake was using twitter.
Boogaloo
Orioles having problems with some of the dodgers prospects physicals.
Figure I’ll report the actual baseball news because this site is now more worried about pleasing social justice warriors.
Caseys.Partner
Are there any MLB players who the Orioles don’t consider to be terminally injured?
stevewpants
Ahhhh casey stop trolling me waaahhh waahhh wwwaaahhhh – every mlbtr commentator
Caseys.Partner
Read the article on Barry Bonds in The New Yorker.
Look at the date.
MLB had no problem with racist Barroid being employed as a coach with the Marlins. No MLB “writer” had a problem with it.
Does Barry need to apologize?
That’s how he feels. That’s who he is.
Boogaloo
And what’s the difference between bonds and harder to social justice warriors?
I can’t for the life of me figure out why they crucify one and ignore the other.
I’m racking my brain here.
stevewpants
I’m guessing you will be a few balls short of that rack.
MilTown8888
It’s because the pc police is racist against pitchers!
jd396
Is this a big deal because those words are morally objectionable, or is it a big deal because Josh Hader repeated them on Twitter?
Boogaloo
It’s a big deal cause hes white.
arc89
It has to do with your opinion not because he is black or white. The best example of irony is Kayne West. Kayne West calls Bush a racist and every conservative hated West and wanted him kicked out of the US. Kayne West calls Trump a great person and the same conservatives praised him as a great human speaking his mind. So it swings toward what your opinion is on the subject. Roseanne is another good example those on the left support her than the hate her and conservatives hate her than they love her.
mlb1225
It’s only getting attention because his name is Josh Hader. If he was some nobody in the world, or even just some guy in single A, this wouldn’t have gotten any attention at all.
juicejames
You can really pick out the Brewer fans and racists in these comments. lol
Let this be a Cardinal or a Cub. Ahahaha
Gobbysteiner
Right. Defending a guy who quoted Weezy and juicy J when he was 17 and is now being punished for it in turn makes you a racist as well. Sooner or later it’s gonna be boy who cried racism, and real racists are gonna get ignored because people were too busy crucifying people for what they said when they were juniors in high school
Danw1444
Hopefully he gets sent to the same sensitivity camp that Peter Griffin went to. It worked wonders for
him.
stan lee the manly
This issue is a really interesting one. The topic of the tweets really isn’t, every single person in MLB has offended someone with something they have said or did at some point in time (I’m not speaking to the severity of the comments, just the end result). This isn’t the first time this has happened with a professional athlete and it won’t be the last.
What IS interesting is the public response to the issue. Just from these comments it’s pretty clear to see how black-and-white a lot of people think this is, but it seems to me that this is a very gray area and one side doesn’t have to be completely right and the other side completely wrong. It just really reflects the sharp division we are seeing in today’s society and people’s willingness to dig in their heels on their viewpoint. I think MLB DID successfully found the middle ground in their resolution, but you wouldn’t be able to tell based on the reactions here.
chesteraarthur
Or maybe people just disagree with your assessment that MLB “did successfully found(sic) the middle ground”.
Just because one person thinks this course of action is correct or appropriate does not make it so. It’s interesting that you claim it’s not black and white and then are surprised when the comments here don’t support your evaluation of the situation. I’d think having differing opinions from one extreme to the other is pretty normal (at least in internet comment sections) for issues that are gray area-y.
CobiEven
“Everybody has a little bit of the sun and moon in them. Everybody has a little bit of man, woman, and animal in them. Darks and lights in them. Everyone is part of a connected cosmic system. Part earth and sea, wind and fire, with some salt and dust swimming in them. We have a universe within ourselves that mimics the universe outside. None of us are just black or white, or never wrong and always right. No one. No one exists without polarities. Everybody has good and bad forces working with them, against them, and within them.” – Suzy Kassem
siddfinch1079
wow, somebody sure did have a ax to grind…
ziIP8
When I was a teenager I quoted Metallica and Megadeth. Glad they didn’t have twitter back then, or else someone might have gotten offended x number of years later.
stevewpants
You are aware bands like Judas Priest were almost held legally responsible for murders and suicides right? Not passing judgement on what you said, just pointing out that people being held to account for freedom of speech is nothing new.
ziIP8
I was not aware of that. It’s been a long time since I listened to any heavy metal.
Just curious, but were you trying to make a point about me quoting Metallica/Megadeth? Or were you just throwing that fact out there? {Sincere question, not trying to pick on you or start an argument, just didn’t understand the context of your reply}
But I did find your fact you mentioned about Judas Priest interesting and will google to read about it if I can find anything.
chesteraarthur
Wait what? How is someone “almost held legally responsible”. You mean because there was a court case? So there are countless people each year that are “almost held legally responsible” for a lot of things. Ultimately…they are not.
stevewpants
True. Not sure how it disagrees with me, but what you say is true.
mgrap84
There is no fixing the world anymore. Its to messed up. Everyone gets offended by everything. By the time im 50, just saying hi, how are you is going to get you in trouble because that person will feel offended.
stevewpants
Once again the anti pc crowd over exaggerating to the max to jusitfy never changing anything.
Boogaloo
And you blowing everything out of proportion aaaaaaaand telling racism does the same thing, congrats
stevewpants
Try to make more sense I don’t even know if you’re arguing with me or against me.
yamsi1912
Funny thing is Hader said his parents at the time grounded him and took away his car keys as punishment. That should be good enough.
Boogaloo
No, parents don’t get to raise their kids.
Thats the job of childless social justice warriors.
They know better.
Ironman_4life
As much as its killing me to admit, politics are becoming injected into our sports. Soon mlb will be like the NFl. Everything will be a political debate.
Say Hey Now Kid
I doubt it. There is a lot of complaining going on now but in a couple days most of us will forget about it and move on.
Caseys.Partner
“but in a couple days most of us will forget about it”
People forgot about that pitching coach who was fired….what’s his name….
But here’s MLB back again with something else just a week or so later.
What does MLB have for us next week?
andrewgauldin
And that’s when I’ll turn to the NHL. Getting tired of the MLB lately.
Caseys.Partner
Aren’t there Russians in the NHL? You know who won’t tolerate that for much longer.
stevewpants
The Chinese?
Ryan Hilson
He didn’t have racist tweets he just talks like he’s a 20 year old black kid seems legit to me
hawkdaddy
He’s such a Hader
hiflew
Someone please explain why people are still on social media with so many examples of it coming back to haunt you?
Dan65
Here’s an idea to prevent all future occurrences like this, Have scouts evaluate only social media accounts and never any athletic talent a person has. It will make for a lousy game, but at least all the people that make insensitive comments will be excluded from being drafted. If any player in his youth makes an insensitive comment, he gets barred by the social justice warriors. There may not be any players that have any athletic talent, but at least they won’t have to worry about things like this. Athletes are human, and have been doing things like this for decades. If Hader is fined or suspended for things said in HS, it shows how ludicrous this has become. Making him take classes may be a moot point, since he probably doesn’t talk like this now. Though for a PR appearance, MLB feels it has to order them.
BlueSkyLA
Hader was neither fined nor suspended, which renders your entire fully buzzword compliant comment entirely ridiculous.
Dan65
Bluesky, do you understand the meaning of a conditional comment? Obviously not. Since this is a new and developing story, no one can say what MLB would do except people in MLB. My point that I clearly made is if they did that, it would be ridiculous. Nowhere did I say that MLB was actually doing that. So obviously your response is clearly and entirely ridiculous. The rest of my comment was sarcasm, which apparently you don’t understand neither. Bluesky, try getting a clue first before embarrassing yourself again.
radioball123
I thought my mom and dad were totally A**H*les and said some dumb things. I grew up and have since made a nice living and feel accomplished….oh no! I need sensitivity training.
Grade_1_teacher
This is why kids need to be taught that anything you post can come back to haunt you, that’s why you should think long and hard before posting homophobic or racist rants. Stuff on the internet doesn’t disappear. Josh Hader is an immature moron and hopefully, the league holds him accountable for his stupidity.
Caseys.Partner
” Stuff on the internet doesn’t disappear.”
At least 80% of my posts under this article have disappeared.
peterd
“Immature moron” – he was 17. Are you serious – We were ALL morons at 17 but we didn’t know it yet
The real “moron” is the spineless person that pulls this tweet out on Haders biggest day of his life. If your gonna do that have the balls to identify your self and man up (or possibly woman up). Maybe we should go thru that persons tweets at 17
ReverieDays
Speak for yourself. I was training to be an Army Infantryman when I was 17, turned 18 in the middle of it, and 19 in Iraq. I wasn’t an immature moron nor a racist homophobe.
peterd
Appreciate your service but Please if you were 17 you did stupid things.
It is what it is give the guy a break. If he said it yesterday or last year totally different story
peterd
So glad I waste my time commenting only to have it get deleted.
Freedom of speech ? Pretty selective
stevewpants
Freedom to type what you want doesn’t mean this website isn’t free to take it down. Its their site they pay to run not some public meeting place.
Jeff Todd
I don’t recall your specific comment that was evidently deleted, but we are just trying to enforce our commenting policy. Freedom of speech is not implicated.
Djones246890
Are we seriously going to dig up dirt on people since the beginning of their existence? Not condoning his actions, but the guy made a mistake when he was a KID. This is one of the reasons I really hate people, sometimes. Just a bunch of hypocrites flaming other people, as if they’re holier than thou.
GreenBay astros
What the guy said was dumb and insensitive, yes. But he wasn’t even an adult. My 15 year old says some pretty stupid things sometimes too. I’m not gonna hold it over her head when she’s a grown woman. get over it. Like manny said…”I didn’t rape nobody, I didn’t kill nobody.” Big deal. Some 17 year old kid managed to hurt your feelings. Who’s juvenile now?
jay66
how dare they disrespect this great lefty over 7 year old tweets. AMERICA IS SOFT
EMBARASSING
joeyrocafella
So he gets singled out because he’s famous? What about sending anyone that tweets that stuff to sensitivity training? Why is he being made an example? All or nothing, screw all this “he’s a public figure so let’s make an example out of him” nonsense
JZodiax
The whole thing is just so crazy.
Ken In Sac
That’s cool. He will no longer be a racist following the training.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Who the hell cares. How does something irrelevant to baseball get more comments than Machado to the Dodgers.
pinstripes7
Does anyone know of a time where social media did anything worthwhile, other than, perhaps a funding?
Ryan Hilson
Still not sure how calling yourself a n word while you being white is racist or writing white power followed by lol is being racist or stating words from a rap song is racist maybe the guy who wrote the song needs sensitivity training