10:00pm: Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic also hears that the Yankees’ interest in Machado is “serious,” though he describes the interest of both the Dodgers and Brewers the same way (Twitter link). The Diamondbacks and Phillies, he adds, are still “keeping in touch” regarding Machado but don’t appear to be as aggressive as the others.
6:07pm: Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com reports that Sheffield is not in the Yankees’ current offer for Machado (Twitter link).
5:53pm: The Yankees have made a “strong” offer for Manny Machado to the Orioles, tweets Fancred’s Jon Heyman. While he notes that he’s yet to receive indication that the Yankees are the favorites to land Machado, they very much look to be a serious player in the vast field of teams vying to acquire his services.
It’s not clear just what the Yankees have put forth, though earlier today, Jon Morosi of MLB.com reported that the Orioles would be willing to send Machado to the Bronx if the Yankees would be willing to part with top left-handed pitching prospect Justus Sheffield.
Exactly where Machado would line up with the Yankees isn’t clear at the moment. The left side of the infield has been a strength in the Bronx, with Miguel Andujar stepping up as a respectable contributor at the hot corner while Didi Gregorius enjoys a solid overall season himself (even if he’s slumped since a torrid April showing). Morosi has previously speculated that Andujar could be utilized as a piece in attempting to acquire a controllable arm for the rotation, though to this point there’s no indication that that sort of multi-layered scenario is at play. It also seems unlikely that the Yankees would send Andujar to the Orioles as part of a trade to acquire a few months of Machado.
That said, New York has slipped to 3.5 games back of the division lead in the AL East as the Red Sox have ridden an eight-game winning streak to one of their most comfortable leads in recent memory. With the Red Sox pulling away while also scouring the trade market for a significant boost to their bullpen, the Yankees could, in theory, feel that a proactive strike to upgrade the roster is prudent — even if the upgrade in question doesn’t serve to fill a glaring area of need.
Furthermore, it stands to reason that the Yankees are unlikely to be the only club to make a formal offer to the Orioles at this point. Machado has been widely known to be available for weeks, and trade talks surrounding him reportedly began to accelerate last week. As such, it’s likely that the Yankees’ offer is one of multiple packages being mulled over by the Baltimore front office at present.
Can they just trade him already?
red, lololol, I know!!
Why should they rush… and trading Machado is like selling your house… you’ve only got one to sell and a strong offer by a buyer does not necessarily mean the seller considers it a strong offer..
But in this case that house is disintegrating in 3 weeks
Exactly..and 3 weeks is an eternity in MLB..the RS could tank and drop 7 of 10 or the Yanks could drop a few more games to another cellar-dweller like just happened with Baltimore causing panic to ensue…
Just how long is 3 weeks in MLB..well the first 3 weeks of this season the Mets were one of the best teams in all of MLB
As soon as a team is willing to give up their top prospects he will be traded. It really isn’t a strong offer if you exclude the prospect the other team wants.
“It really isn’t a strong offer if you exclude the prospect the other team wants.”
That’s not necessarily true. If the prospect the other team wants is not worth a two-month rental, that team is being unrealistic in their demands and expectations. And given this team is the Orioles, that’s not outside the realm of possibility. At all.
My guess is the O’s will wait and continue to try to leverage others into offering more. Would anyone be surprised if they wait too long and a team like NY trades elsewhere and Baltimore ends up with less? That said the Yankees should pay more to trade with the Mets or within their own division. Just the way it is.
There are lots of other trams interested. Either the Yankees give up their top prospect or they lose the division. The Orioles can keep Machado and get a comp pick or another team will step up. When the Yankees were terrible a few years ago they got real prospects for rental players. You have to go big or go home.
Lol, so if they dont get machado they lose the division? You sound real objective.
And the yankees gave up one rental player for a real prospect.
And that was to a team that had gone 108 years without winning a world series and would of done anything to break it.
The Yankees might go 108 years without a World Series too. They haven’t won one since 2009.. They have a bunch of high strike out guys who won’t perform well against top pitching in a one game playoff. I guess they can deal with a one and done scenario.
so basically because they have a bunch of high strike out guys now means that from now until 108 years in the future they’ll always have the same type of high strike out guy? and also, no one cares as much as they used to about players striking out.
Which is why they won a one-game playoff literally last year. Because high strikeout players can’t win those games…..
And this is a team that was one game from the World Series last year and they improved their team at both second and third, plus they added the NL MVP. Yeah, I’m sure it’ll take them 100+ years to win another title lol.
LOL! True.
quote unquote “strong”..?
That’s a very subjective term, Heyman…
Lying sack of Sh**……..as soon as I saw “Sheffield is NOT in the deal”……you know that it’s just a bunch of media crap, favoring the Jankees…..SMH
Ikr the media always favors the Yankees I thought I was the only one that thought that!! Makes me so freaking mad!!
BFH
Because they have the highest market being in NY, the most famous city in the world, and they always win and have the most championships.
How are you guys mad when you don’t even know who the other players offered.
“No Justus, no peace.”!?
Stolen!!!!
Guilty. Somebody’s gotta’ follow Twitter. 🙂
Twitter link from the 6:07pm update.
Yeah when the Yankees offer Sheffield we will know they are serious about trying to win. Otherwise they are going to settle for a play in game against the Mariners or Astros and hope they get lucky.
I really don’t think they should trade Sheffield. controllable for 6 years for 2 months of a guy they can sign after the season? Sorry, I wouldn’t trade lefty sev either
Not the Yankees the suck sorry Yankee fans
what
Was that even English
A sentence missing one letter and you completely fail to comeprehend what’s being said? Maybe you’re the one that no English good
Even more of a brutal read then the first guys post.
Guy’s
*Than
I think that was his point.
Why do the not understandings of the because posting are you?
Stand back everyone, I will try and communicate with it.
Lmao
Good one, lol
Smile
So does your mom
Agreed
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
Can we get a translator please
The Yankees don’t need him
JJ, you are right and I am a Yankees fan.
Since Cashman sees that there is not so wonderful pitchers to get, he is going the other way all of a sudden.
My God, I’ll pitch for them, I can’t do worse than the rest of them, lol
“ . . . I’ll pitch for them, I can’t do worse than the rest of them, lol”
You wouldn’t be able to reach home plate. lol.
or be allowed on the field.
Think Cashman is trying to drive up the price?
Bjaeger when I read the article that was my first thought. They seem to be the favorite to land him in the offseason so why not drove up the price?
I think it is more likely the Orioles are trying to drive up the price. Leak a fake offer and hope someone else panics and gives up the guy the previously said no on.
Just lost a lot of respect for Cashman if this is true. Horrible use of resources to acquire a player they don’t even need. Go get some pitching.
“Go get some pitching.”
Easier said than done. Starting Pitching market sucks.
Right. The top name that isn’t going to cost a ton is JA Happ and he’s going to end up a yankee. They can get both
Agree
While i agree with you about the outlook of the market, thats not really an excuse to give up assets for a play they dont have an open position waiting for them.
I mean they could be trading for him cause they have a trade for a top pitcher revolved around Andujar? Thats really the only case I see here if we’re really going after Machado
And then what happens after the season? Machado is a FA who then wants to play SS. So youre going to trade your 3B away and you might not even have a 3B by next season?
Manny Machado is a once in a generation player. If a player like that becomes available, which isn’t often, you have to go after him.
They have a 3B in the system that could easily step in and take over the position next year, in the event that they trade for Machado and he signs elsewhere as a free agent and if Andujar is traded for a SP… and his name is Brandon Drury.
you got that right..
What I don’t understand is that Manny wants a SS position, now what??
“Hey Manny, we traded for you and gave up some real good young talent in doing so. We’re going to play you at third base, and it’s going to give you a chance win a World Series ring after opening the season on a team that currently has 26 wins.”
“Works for me. Thanks Mr. Cashman.”
He wanted to play SS to help enhance his free-agent value. Making a big deal about playing 3B for a couple of months after a trade that gives him a chance at a World Series ring wouldn’t do exactly do that.
Steve, PERFECTLY SAID⚾️⚾️⚾️
Exactly, he has no choice anyway right now. He’s well aware that he could play either rest of this season then he can market himself as a SS when a free agent.
I do believe this situation could be resolved easily from Cashman/Machado’s perspective. Cashman’s reputation will earn him the benefit of the doubt, in my opinion. I also believe the Yankees are the best team to put together the right package for Machado.
But correct me if I’m wrong, but Angelos has a long-standing hatred of the Yankees and has openly stated he will NOT trade Machado to the Yankees. But its very strange to see Cashman getting played like a fiddle… I find it hard to believe he would put up a strong offer and drive up the market without feeling he had a valid chance.
Beautiful is in the eyes of the beholder, so a “strong offer for one GM could be a weak offer for another… German, Frazier, Wade and Adams could be a “strong offer to about 20 other GMs, but maybe not to the Orioles… ( and I’m not implying that was the offer )
That’s true, Steve, and he might improve defensively if he’s given more time there. But he currently ranks dead-last defensively among qualified shortstops and nobody’s really close after Taylor. When you consider that there really aren’t any teams in need of a shortstop that could afford the mammoth contract he’ll command, and that there are tons of suitors for him as a third baseman, defensive flexibility means little at this point with two or so months left in the regular season.
What they (or any team) “needs” is to get better, regardless of the manner in which they go about it. They’d be a better team with Machado at third base, even if it comes at the cost of taking plate appearances away from Andujar for a half season.
Getting better is getting better, regardless of perceived needs — as the Brewers have demonstrated this season, for example.
Furthermore, nothing says they can’t go out and add pitching after making a move for Machado.
+Steve Adams
“Getting better is getting better, regardless of perceived needs”
I agree with this sentiment but you have to consider the margin of improvement gained if Machado is acquired compared to the margin of improvement if a SP is acquired. So of course Machado would be an upgrade, but is it worth the cost of him when you could use those same assets to fill in a bigger hole? I guess the point I am making here is that the margin of improvement that Machado would provide does not justify the cost for him (going off the rumored cost for him, of course)
I would say you’re vastly underselling the difference between Manny Machado at third base and Miguel Andujar at third base, then.
And that’s not a knock on Andujar, who is a nice-looking young player. But Manny Machado, as a third baseman, is among the 5 to 10 best players on the planet.
And again, it’s not as if acquiring Machado is going to gut a farm system — especially not one as deep as the Yankees’ farm. They have plenty of talent to go out and do both. If they feel they can make Machado happen first, why not jump at the chance?
Plus, as stated at the end of the post, the fact that the Yankees have made a strong offer doesn’t make them the favorite to land him. I’d imagine the Orioles have a handful of offers on Machado right now — and multiple good ones at this point after all the negotiating they’ve been doing.
+Steve Adams
Possibly. I can agree that Manny would a big upgrade over Miguel but the improvement margins that will result in more wins doesnt seem to be more offense. When you look at the Yankees losses, its rarely because they didnt hit. Theyve only been shut out twice and are 2nd in team runs scored. With an offensive that good, will a Machado acquisition be the difference they need? I dont see it. Machado isnt pushing THAT much more in terms of WAR than Andujar (although if he shifted back to 3B that margin would probably be much wider) and most of the Yankees losses can be attributed to giving up too many runs.
When comparing the two margins, between acquiring a Manny or acquiring a good/great SP my line of logic goes like this: Whats better for the team, replacing a good 3B with a great one or replacing a bad SP with a great/good one? I say the latter, as the margin is way larger. That is not to say that whoever the SP is would be worth more on their own than Machado either
I think whether or not it would gut the farm is what is considered a “strong offer”. It might not completely gut it but it could do some damage depending on what is in the offer. It shouldnt though, i agree.
Give it a rest already. Everyone can see the upgrade.
+Chinwood
The adults are talking
I also said that he would be a big upgrade. I know reading isnt your strong suit.
What great SP are you going to get? Happ? Don’t think that’s going to swing the scales more than MM.
Your focus on upgrading the pitching is essentially a focus on run prevention, though, and Machado’s glove at third base over Andujar’s glove at third base would help toward that end as well.
Comparing their WAR numbers, as you said, isn’t really an effective means of evaluating the two in this instance, as Machado has put up some terrible numbers at short in the eyes of defensive metrics that are weighing down his overall WAR.
You want the Yankees to prevent more runs — having Machado at third base would help with that endeavor. Andujar has graded out quite poorly at third base by virtually any measure, and most scouting reports on him suggested that while he may eventually be average or better at third, he wasn’t there yet to open the ’18 season.
+jbigz12
That is a tough question. Im not too big on Happ or Hamels but there are pitchers out there. I think ideally Snell is a good fit but thats a real long shot. But he is a pitcher I would spend the prospects on. I would do the same with the Mets pitchers but they are being stubborn from all accounts. A pitcher with an ERA in the low-mid 3’s would move the scales farther than you think. If the Yankees are where they are being 2nd in runs scored per game, the only thing that would move the scales significantly would be pitching. Hamels and Happ arent great but they would make a bigger difference than it seems.
+Steve Adams
Those are some good points, but I cant recall it being Andujars fault when Sonny Gray melts down, or when Tanaka gives up his early game HR, or when CC gave up that go ahead HR the other night. Im sure singles squeaking by him doesnt help the pitcher much, but most of the woes can be pinned on the SP, in my estimate.
I do agree with you about Andujars defense at third. His range is not all that good at 3B and doesnt have the best of reactions from what I’ve seen. One good thing I can say is that he has a very strong arm and good accuracy. But he is definitely no Machado on defense.
So what would prevent more runs? Putting Machado at 3B or getting a good SP to shutdown the opposing team? I value the latter more.
If they can acquire him without giving up too much, then I am on board. Of course he is a better player than Andujar currently, but its all about the cost-benefit analysis.
Another concern of mine is how he will do in the NY spotlight. Its not really anything you can know before getting him, as there is nothing you can point to with him. He did have some outbursts earlier in his career (throwing bat at 3B; that type of stuff) so it does draw some concerns from me.
Your points are null and void. MM at third is, way better defense, and a way way better bat. Since you don’t want to get it that they’ll look to also acquire a starter and prospects can be suspect like numerous people have posted. Well dude I just don’t know if you know how things work or want to. You always try and better your team at all costs, but hey you’re not the guy with the say. Back to fantasy baseball then.
+Chinwood
You either have a hard time understanding concepts or have trouble with your reading comprehension. I never said Andujar is a better 3B than Machado and that was never the point I was making. Its all about cost-benefit analysis and improvement margins. Maybe that is a bit too complicated for you.
You know whats funny is that a week or so ago I was talking about how Greg Bird was trending upwards and you commented that you didnt see what I was talking about. Now i know how you didnt see it. I bet you are dumbfounded by Birds recent performances when I spelled them out for you. You are fool. Stay disingenuous.
btw, this is my last reply to you ever. theres another reply in the other thread about Orioles wanting pitching prospects that I posted but it still awaiting moderation (probably too many links). You can consider that comment and this one to be a farewell to you.
I’ll stay disingenuous and you can stay delusional. FYI you don’t control zilch on Yankees moves..TGFT
The Mets pitchers aren’t readily available. Unless you want wheeler. Who in his own regard isn’t far off from the Happ’s and Hamels of the world. It’s just not going to happen. The Rays aren’t moving snell. There’s no verlander or Darvish on the market this year.
That is true, and dismantles the “need” rhetoric effectively.
But Machado will only make them better if he fully embraces the idea of moving back to third. I’ve seen no evidence of that, on the contrary: he just recently blurted out “I’m a shortstop” when asked about the possibility.
He said in an interview not too long ago that if a team trades for him and wants him to play 3B, he’ll play 3B.. not much control if he gets traded to a team over his position. I think Cashman would make sure Manny is totally on board with it if a deal was about to be completed though.
Why do people say they don’t need him. The Yankees have no batter hitting over 300, Manny hits 300 and drives in RISP which the yankees are also struggling with.
Manny is a gold glove 3rd basemen, Andujar isn’t a gold glove 3rd basemen, he has looked fine this year but if you look up his range and % of outs he makes compared to others. Andujar aint that great at defense.
+yanks02026
because they are 2nd in team runs scored. their offense is obviously not the problem even though any offense could be better. so why spend a lot to improve the offense when the rotation is held together by a band-aid and their 3B and SS options are solid? its like drafting a QB with the first overall pick but your starting QB is already really good and you needed an OL
I agree that the Yanks don’t need Machado but as for your analogy, what if that QB is far and away the best player available in that draft and you can then flip him for a good OL plus a lottery ticket or two?
They can literally trade for pitching still even if they get Machado lol you act like if they trade for Machado they can’t get a pitcher
That’s a ridiculous statement Top Jimmy. No sense in trading for another starting pitcher, just to say you traded for another starting pitcher. It makes little sense for the Yankees to trade for a #5 starter-type.So far, it doesn’t sound like any top-tier pitchers are realistically available, and if you can’t bring in a #3+ pitcher that you can be comfortable with starting a playoff game for you, what other ways can you improve the team to make a deep October push? Do the Yankees really need to upgrade from Andujar to Machado? Not totally… but as good as Andujar has been, Machado has been much better (already 1.5 war more than Andujar, so probably a 3-4 war improvement over Andujar.. and not to mention Machado is a much better defender). Trade for Machado now, see how he fits in NY over the next 2-3 months and if he falls in love with the city you have the advantage of resigning him long-term (if that’s what they wanna do). Then they could trade Andujar for that #3+ controllable starter they’re looking for. And if they still want to get Happ, they could do that as well (I don’t think possibly trading for Happ has any affect on a Machado trade).
I’m a Redsox fan n I feel Cashman will get pitching too, he always does. Machado will help the Evil Empire, to the point of naseousium.
gleyber torres for machado, lmao
If true I would really by interested in seeing what they offered for him
I hope Cash was nice and gave them Sonny Gray Skies!!
Orioles hoping some team gets spooked by this smoke screen and overpays for a rental.
I still don’t understand why the Yankees need Machado. They already have a one of the best offenses but they need starting pitching and I think giving up Sheffield would be a huge mistake.
I’m not a Yankees fan so that’s exactly why I want them to get him
Good news. This article got updated:
Update 6:07pm: Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com reports that Sheffield is not in the Yankees’ current offer for Machado (twitter.com/masnRoch/status/1017183385482092545).
I don’t think they’d give up Sheffield. But I can see a nice package including Adams. Also many other posters have stated that while a straight up trade Machado for Andujar doesn’t make sense, if the Yankees got Machado, Andujar would be a good trade piece for pitching
Maybe Andujar would fit at 1B?
I’d imagine they’d send Andujar to the minors to get even more seasoning, then have him play third again next year if they don’t re-sign Manny
They would probably use Andujar to get pitching.
What type of seasoning? Garlic salt?
The guy can’t play 3rd. It’s like you guys aren’t watching the games lol
Andujar has already proved himself and they have DiDi and Torres. Why on earth would they give up their best pitching prospect when they need pitching more than anything?
Not sure why Yankees fans are angry. Yanks are getting machado basically to fill in for pieces they lose going after a starter. I mean I would lose 4 top 10 prospects to get machado and degrom. And if it’s not degrom it’s someone like that.
People always want to hold onto prospects, but if you look at the Yankees, when and where are any of these prospects gonna play?
We all know whoever they give up for Manny, it won’t be for just a rental!
They will sign him. We also know Cashman tried for Degrom first, I am sure, and of course No Dice!
That’s not true at all bub! Whoever trades for Machado IS trading for him as a rental. When you trade for a player, you are trading for the amount of control he comes with. Signing Machado in the offseason won’t change that because they don’t have to trade for him to be able to sign him.
If it’s Sheffield and another prospect then I say do it.
One stop shop with the Orioles. Get Machado, Britton/Brach and get Kevin gausman
Can he pitch? Because if not, the Yankees still aren’t that scary of a playoff team.
3.8 WAR for all starters not named Luis Severino. Over a 4.50 ERA.
Out of the AL contenders (who are pretty clear-cut already), they are significantly disadvantaged after Severino in a playoff matchup.
Unless they are looking for a replacement for Andujar when they ship him for pitching, I don’t understand it. (And yes, I realize Machado is worlds better than Andujar, but he doesn’t move the needle IMO).
Ummm CC Sabathia has been fantastic this season
Is he better than the #2 of Cleveland, Houston, or Boston (Cole/Bauer/Porcello)? I’m not sure I’d agree he is.
Sabathia has pitched very well, but the he’s pitching as many of these contender’s #3 or #4 pitcher. The Yankees need someone, and needed them yesterday.
Dude, they beat Cleveland last year, with essentially the same rotation, from down 0-2.
You a CLE fan? Anybody but NYY, correct?
And postseason stats are some of the worst representatives of how a player performs. Travis Ishikawa had some very good moments in the playoffs for the Giants. Helped them get to the World Series. They weren’t willing to use him as their long-term OF. There’s a reason for it.
Think of it this way: if the Yankees don’t win the division, they go into the WC game and pitch Severino.
Should they win that game, Severino is unavailable until likely game 3 or 4. That leaves Sabathia vs. Verlander/Kluber/Sale. And it gets worse.
I can’t imagine the Yankees are okay with Sabathia being the best pitcher to go in the first 2-3 games of a playoff series in that scenario (which is very, very real).
So it will just come down to beating Houston I guess.
Boston’s starters are God awful in the playoffs and they beat Cleveland last year without stanton, torres and andujar as Cleveland has gotton worse.
It doesn’t matter if he is better than anyone’s #2. When pitchers match up, they don’t pitch to the same players. If your offense is quite a bit stronger than your opponent, then your starter does not have to be as good as the opposing starter. The better question is, would you rather have Cole/Bauer/Porcello pitching to the Yanks lineup or CC pitching to their lineup?
Other than Cleveland, the Yankees’ offense is not THAT much better than other contenders.
Team wRC+ for the clear cut contenders:
Yankees- 116
Astros- 115
Red Sox- 115
Indians- 107
Their—what I’ll call—”post-ace” pitching (beyond their #1 starter) is greatly disadvantaged to most them except maybe Boston, where they are still disadvantaged after you get past Sabathia.
So to answer your question, I’d rather have Gerrit Cole and the Astros lineup any day of the week, or even Bauer and the Indians lineup. Easily.
Here’s an interesting topic to talk about. What was the best offer made for Aroldis Chapman besides the Cubs’ offer? Did someone else offer a prospect who was close to as good as Gleyber Torres at the time? If so, then that’s the market for you. If not, then the Cubs really and truly botched that one. They could have gotten Chapman without giving up Gleyber Torres. The Yankees had to trade Chapman.
On Machado, it’s the same thing. He’s worth whatever the highest bidder says he’s worth. The only leverage the Orioles have is demand from other teams and the qualifying offer. I still think they will end up keeping him and QOing him.
Thing about Torres at the time of the chap trade he still hadn’t played above A ball and and was expendable since he was kind of blocked at SS and 2B.
My question is who was offering anything close to Torres for Chapman? Cubs had prospects to trade that weren’t as good but still would have beaten anything anyone else was offering.
Torres was a #41 ranked prospect the year the cubs traded him. Very good and intriguing, but not exactly Acuna at the time. Hindsight = 20:20
If I remember right Theo gave Cashman his choice of prospects between Jimenez and Torres. Chapman was the pitcher that he wanted. He saw Chapman as the missing piece of a championship team. When you have a 100+ year drought and see one player as the difference maker you give up whatever it takes to land him. That is why the Cubs overpaid to get him. If Cashman saw Machado as the one piece the Yankees were missing he would give up whatever it takes to get him.
For some reason I think there is a little more to this trade than just Machado. Imo Gausman and Britton are on Cashman’s radar and Andujar is going to be used to acquire them. That creates the opening for Machado who Cashman is trying to land for anyone except Sheffield (who could wind up contributing this year himself). That just seems more like a Cashman type move. As someone else stated above the Orioles are a one stop shop for the Yankees this year and could plug all of their holes similarly to the White Sox trade last year.
That wasn’t my question. My question was what were other teams offering for Machado and could the Cubs have beaten those offers without trading Torres. The Yankees weren’t going to just not trade Chapman if they couldn’t have Torres.
The Chapman trade had to be done. The Chapman trade will not be the reason the Cubs don’t win another title. It had to be done and it worked out.
You’re spot-on with Cashman. Yankees probably need Machado and definitely need a stud starting pitcher. If NYY decide to roll with Severino, CC, Tanaka and German they will need Severino to get hot, like Schilling 2001 or Carpenter 2006.
Yeah but the Cubs could have done it without giving up Torres
Huh? The Yankees didn’t have to trade Chapman and Miller but it just made sense as they were a mediocre team outplaying what was expected. The Cubs really needed a lockdown closer in their bullpen. The Yankees were able to hold them hostage as they were dealing with a surplus of top bullpen arms
Yes they did have to trade Chapman. They weren’t winning anything that year and the alternative was to get nothing for him.
Per Cashman ” “[Steinbrenner] waited 72 hours to green light it as he discussed it with his family. It was not an easy decision. I was keeping Theo on hold, essentially. I told him ‘I will let you know if ownership says ‘yes’.’ I said ‘I am recommending it. We’ll see what happens.'””
So it sounds like the Yankee ownership didn’t want to sell Chapman. They didn’t have to and almost didn’t. And I believe the Cubs needed to present a very good offer to convince ownership to sell, as that is something they aren’t known for
See above. The Yankees weren’t contending that year and the alternative was to get nothing for him. Are you seriously saying the Yankees would have just taken nothing for him if they couldn’t have Torres?
How often have the yankees sold even during years that they didn’t make the playoffs? Yes I am seriously saying that the Yankees would do that. Why do you think it was such a hard decision for Hal? Did you read the quote? They were extremely hesitant to sell at all
Cashman would have been shooting himself in the foot then
Listen Cashman has done some great dealing in his time. But the trade for Chapman with the Reds, then flipping him to the Cubs and getting Torres while then re-signing Chapman is some of the best business you’ll ever see in any sport ever. I think the Cubs are cool with their first WS in over a century and the Yankees ended up with 2 players that are amongst the best in the game at their position. Everyone wins
Yeah trading for the wife beating Chapman on the cheap was genius by Cashman……Cashman is just as big a scumbag as Chapman is.
Im glad the Dodgers rescinded the original trade for Chapman with the Reds……Dodgers ownership respects women and wouldnt want him on our team.
Sorry Yankees didnt even care and still traded for him……scumbags. Thinking about it, the Cubs are in the same boat for trading for him and winning a WS……scumbags
I live in NYC and was wondering what happened to all the feminists here in NY? :Quiet as church mice….smh……Fourth Wave of Feminism has def dropped the ball and Suffragettes, along with Rosie the Riveter should have been rolling in their graves……
Anyway GO DODGERS!!
Cashman definitely played the Chapman thing perfectly. But not trading Chapman even if the Cubs had not offered up Gleyber Torres would have been self-sabotage. Cubs had other prospects who would have been better than the QO comp pick. Unless someone else offered up a comparable prospect and the only way the Cubs could beat their offer was by giving up Torres they biffed it there.
So it will just come down to beating Houston I guess.
Boston’s starters are God awful in the playoffs and they beat Cleveland last year without stanton, torres and andujar as Cleveland has gotton worse.
Lol, sounds like someone is a little bitter.
Ummmmm wait. Isn’t there a Yasiel Puig still on your roster? Wasn’t he, like Chapman, accused of domestic violence and weren’t they both exonerated by the police via never filing an indictment charge?
Chapman is a rare commodity: a power lefty reliever. MM is a good player, but power hitting 3B/SS are not uncommon. Trying to compare them as if they are equal things is ludicrous. Every playoff team will bid on a Chapman/Miller. Only a few actually need MM. That the Yankees are in on him, when they have no immediate need, could just be Cashman realizing that he may be undervalued, this year’s JDM.
What makes this silly in my opinion
If the Orioles had re-signed Andrew Miller, they might already have Justus Sheffield
At least that is how I feel about it.
You guys don’t understand he is trading for him but not to keep him. He will get him to flip him for more than what he got also keep him from the Sox.
Guys, this is just being floated by Baltimore to increase the price tag for Machado with other teams. No way Yankees trade for Machado as a rental. Zero chance Cashman would do this with Didi and Andujar.
Exactly^^^^^
Andujar is a nice player but come on he’s this team’s Solarte or Nunez.
Best comment I’ve seen on here in a while. Very accurate.
Are you comparing eduardo Nunez to andujar, seriously? Lol
If you look at how abysmal Andujar is at 3rd and his lack of plate discipline you’ll see what I mean. He’s a better player than the 2 I mentioned, but he’s got some big holes in his game. He’s young so he can improve, but he’s hardly a reason to not get Manny Machado.
Nunie was an adventure in the field.
Chris that is one of the best assessments of the situation I’ve read on here or anywhere else. Kudos pal
Why not? Other people are comparing Andujar to Manny Machado. That is a far bigger gap than Nunez to Andujar.
Lol appreciate it. I try to not let the pinstripes cloud my judgement
When Machado was Andujar’s age, he was a 2-time gold glove 3rd baseman, a platinum glove winner, and had 2 top-5 finishes in the MVP voting. Please do not compare with Andujar
Never doubt Brian Cashman
is it possible for a 3 team deal if 2 teams are unable to reach an agreement?
Hearing Andujar, Florial & Sheffield are on the table to the DRays for Snell or the Mets for DeGrom and the offer for Manny would be Chance Adams, German & a low level SP
Can see it. Either way it looks like he will try to get machado if a deal for a SP involving andujar is lined up.
Both would have to happen though
“But Why is he so atrocious at SS? (This year) (sic)
When was he not atrocious at SS, xabial?
2016.
This wouldn’t make a ton of sense. The Yankees already have major league infielders, who would be starting on at least half of other teams, in triple-A. I guess allows them to trade from their surplus to get a starter, but I don’t see why they couldn’t just do that already. I think people forget that Brandon Drury is a reasonably solid major league third baseman with plenty of room to improve at 25, and could be a nice chip in helping acquire a starter.
While I expect regression from Andujar based on a lack of plate discipline, there’s no point in trading a 23 year old kid with an 810 OPS and six years of team control.
They don’t need an ace, they just need a back of the rotation stabilizer like a J.A. Happ or Cole Hamels type.
Interesting suggestion:
Drury and Trevor Stephan for Hamels and cash?
Obviously mock trades are never going to be perfect, but you have to figure Drury is a good fit for Texas, as he gives them depth which could be important after a potential Andrus or Beltre deal. Rather have Drury than Hanser Alberto or Cliff Pennington.
Happ’s ERA is around 4.5 and Hamel’s is giving up more homers than ever. Currently the pitching market sucks. Why not upgrade your team in whichever way you can?
The mastery that Cashman has shown now that he doesn’t have Levine making moves, he’s shown he’s a very good GM.
Randy Levine, two-bit politician that he is, often goes for the big splash “George Move”. Even if they don’t work, it generates buzz and sells season tickets.
As far as Cashman’s merits as a GM without Levine’s interference, he makes safe moves but it helps to have a massive reserve of payroll flexibility to fall back on. I think he’s well above average as a GM but sadly his true worth will never be discerned with all the resources at his disposal- which includes a very well funded scouting department.
sheffield not in the yankees offer for machado per MASN reporter
The Yankees should chill out. It’s a long season. And a long decade. I’d rather three championships over the next decade than one in 2018. Manny is great, but they don’t need him. Not at a high cost anyway.
I hope BAL included a fair “inner division” mark up on the price.
Retail X 2, baby.
Yes, but free gift wrapping at the counter.
I thought this years big Yankee goal was to stay under the luxury tax? Why don’t they just wait until after the season to sign someone they don’t really need?
They could still stay under while getting Machado
Wonder if a 3 team trade could happen with Machado? The Braves have a lot of top arms that are close to MLB. Wonder if O’s could work out a deal where ATL got a top C/OF prospect from the 3rd team while getting a couple of pitchers from ATL for Machado. Machado going to the 3rd team.
I understand Sheffield is an insanely good prospect, but he still has not proven anything at the major league level. He will be good, but right now he is not better than Machado. Machado is one of the top players in baseball, and I just can’t believe only one top prospect will be enough to pry him from the Orioles. Maybe teams can get him that way because of his contract ending at the conclusion of the 2018 season. It just boggles my mind. If I’m a team trying to acquire him I would be grateful for this opportunity.
5-6 years of control > 2-3 months of control. If Baltimore is offered one solid prospect they like, they should take it. But they won’t because they think they will look bad if they don’t get quantity.
2-3 months is baseball is equal to about 60-90 baseball games. In a race that will be decided by maybe 3 or so games, that’s not nothing. It is pretty compelling if you’re serious about winning this year. Maybe not so much if you want to trade off some probability of winning this year with staying stay competitive long term.
I may be somewhat unconventional here, but when you’re talking about an all-around top 5 player like Machado who can affect the game positively w glove or bat everyday, it breaks the usual baseball conventions. If an everyday player can ever be worth more than pitching, Machado is pretty close to it. the impact of a starting pitcher affects the game once every 5 days. Machado is in there every game.
And trust me, there’s some inside knowledge also going on here. For many years Baltimore fans have quietly known that Machado would really be up for being a Yankee. He’s been telling that to his friends privately. And, his idol and mentor, Arod, looms large here. It’s probably partly why he insists being an SS even though he’s a better 3B. He’s love a chance to play SS at the former team of his idol. I think Cashman may know there’s a strong chance he would resign with the Yankees, esp if he already has a successful trial run to get a taste of winning there. It might be the most effective way to make a free agent bid, give Manny a taste of what winning in NYC is like.
If he isn’t going to play shortstop there is a huge risk of him not re signing there
Maybe if the O’s add Britton they could get Sheffield?
The Yankees acquire Manny Machado. What’s next, Mike Trout? The Yankees need starting pitching.
Trout’s a Jersey boy.
I bet he’d go for it!
What if Bundy or Gausman is in the deal too?
I don’t understand how the Orioles think they have so much leverage. He should’ve been traded last winter. They should be happy to get a solid package with two decent prospects.
Someone please remind them that they’re less than 3 weeks away from getting just about nothing?
If they get him is everyone going to start crying that the Yankees ruined baseball like all the babies on Hoops Rumors when the Dubs got Boogie?
The Orioles will wait until someone blinks and gives them the starting pitching prospects that they want. they will get a bidding war going and try and maximize value. They still have a lot of time and it sounds like they already have multiple offers.
None of which meet their demands.
Who said it was a strong offer? The Yankees might think it is a strong offer, but it actually could be a poor offer in the eyes of the Orioles & others. The Yankees usually don’t offer a heck of a lot in deals. They’ve been very reluctant to include high end prospects in any deals. I’d like to see who is in the offer, before determining if it is a good offer.
“Who said it was a strong offer? ”
Jon Heyman did. They mentioned that in the article. Of course its subjective whether or not the deal is strong. Someone will think its an overpay, the next and underpay, and the others just right.
Who told Heyman that it was a strong offer? The Yankees? The Yankees rarely make an offer that is strong. They’re probably trying to get Machado for a weak package like they gave the Marlins for Stanton
A strong offer that doesn’t include Justus Sheffield? So the Yankees are dangling Rob Refsnyder and who else? Oh wait, this isn’t 2015. Who’s the 2018 version of Refsnyder in the NYY system?
Tyler Austin
The Yankees have at least a dozen expendable pieces who are more valuable than Refsnyder was at the height of his hype.
The Yankees just traded many top prospects like Rutherford, Kap, Fowler, Mateo, etc in their trades. They trade top prospects all the time if it makes sense. Yankee haters just like to make up nonsense.
Let’s trade Didi, put Machado at SS for the year and next year move Torres back to SS and put Drury on 2nd. Bird, Drury, Torres, Andujar
Just read this on another site…
“Cashman has built up the Yankees’ system so well, he has more than enough prospects to deal for Bumgarner without depleting it entirely. New York could put together a two- or three-player package led by the likes of Miguel Andujar, Justus Sheffield, Estevan Florial or Clint Frazier, supplementing it with some mid-level prospects that would crack another team’s top 5.”
I’m surprised you Yank fans aren’t trying to get Bumgarner for Ellsbury and a bucket of baseballs. You know, since your top 10 prospects are a different level higher than the other clubs in MLB.
Complain when the Yankees win by signing FAs. Complain when the Yankees win by bringing up their own players and making trades. Smh
They need to get Refsnyder back so they can trade him for Manny…..only if O’s throw in Britton, tho……..
This is getting old
Lines about Refsnyder never get old, esepcially since the Jays incompetently traded a real prospect for him.
Take a look at the schedules, after the AS break. There are ten Yankee-RS games left. Aside from that, the Yankees won’t face any division leaders, and only have two series against teams with a positive record (Seattle and Oakland).
Meanwhile, the Red Sox play FIVE SERIES against division leaders (the Astros, Cleveland twice and the Phillies twice), and also face Atlanta.
So there’s nothing comfortable about that lead.. On the contrary, the Yankees are still favorites right now. They just need to keep the deficit right here in the next five games, and then, with Torres and Sanchez back in the lineup, split their games against the Red Sox, crush a bunch of triple A teams, and Bob’s ya uncle.
If the Red Sox manage to win the division, with these schedules, that would be an amazing achievement. But a pretty unlikely one.
I have rebutted this before but here goes again. From this day on the Red Sox have 5 more home games then the Yankees and the Yankees have to go on the road to the West coast which is a tough trip for any east coast team. The Red Sox also get the Yankees 7 out of the last 10 at home. The Yankees also have to play Tampa 3 more times then the Red Sox and that team is a pain in the ass for most teams. I would say no advantage for either side but maybe a slight lean to the Red Sox since they get the Yankees 7 out of the last 10 at home.
No the Yankees play weaker opponents. If they don’t capitalize, that’s on them
You are underestimating the west coast trip traditionally it is very tough for east coast teams even when the west coast teams aren’t good but both the Mariners and the A’s are tough this year. The Red Sox get Houston at home and Cleveland really isn’t that good this year and the Red Sox have dominated inter-division games and the home game difference and the fact that Yankees go to Boston 7 out of last 10 I disagree it’s a toss up at best on the records but slight lean to Boston but I’m a biased so I’ll say toss up on the future schedule.
Look at what the Yankees record was on the west coast last year something like 3-8 it’s tough to go there.
And they’ve swept the Angels and took 3/4 from the Astros earlier this year. Bro I love the Yankees, but they have no one to blame but themselves if they don’t capitalize on their weaker part of the schedule.
Stansfield saying that the Yankees are still favored to win the east despite a three and half game deficit because of softer schedule in the second have is complete and total nonsense. It’s a toss up period thats all I’m saying they play each other 10 more times that’s going to have more bearing then the rest of the schedule. A key injury will also be more important. To say the Yankees are the favorites because of the second half schedule is complete and total nonsense.
That’s not a rebuttal, that’s wishful thinking on your part, in clear defiance of facts and common sense.
First, the facts: in the past 20 years, the Yankees have a 100-72 road record against the Mariners and As (the two West Coast teams they’ll be facing). That’s significantly better than their overall road record of 910-754. In fact, they have more wins on the road than at home, against these teams. So there’s clearly nothing tough about it, it’s a total non-factor.
Now, for the common sense part: Why would it be tough? They’re not playing on Mars, they’re playing a few extra hours away, compared to most other road games. And they’re playing in great weather, there are rarely any delays (never delays in Seattle), so it’s actually better than than playing in Baltimore or Detroit (where the weather has caused the Yankees all kinds of headaches already this year…and two losses in the double headers that ensued)..
You know what Stans if I’m wrong about the Yankees playing on the west coast maybe they play there a lot better then Boston. I’m not sure I just know that Boston doesn’t travel well back there so if the Yankees dominate that west coast trip the last few years then maybe your right not a factor.
The Red Sox have 23 games with teams over .500 after the all-star break and the Yankees only have 16 games with teams over .500 after the all-star break is we ignore their head to head to head matchups. So you are right that after the all star break the Yankees play less .500 teams then the Red Sox.
A little further investigation though would also reveal that the Yankees are about to face another .500 team that hasn’t been factored into the standings yet they play Cleveland at Cleveland this weekend for 4 so if we factor that in its 23-20 teams that are over .500 left for each team. One other interesting tidbit the Yankees play, if we count Cleveland, six more series against .500 teams that are not Boston 5 of those series are in the road. Boston plays 8 more series total of 23 games and 5 of those are at home. So out of last 20 games for Yankees against .500 teams 17 are on the road. Conversely out of the last 23 games against .500 teams 12 at Home and 11 away. Those are the facts you can interpret those facts how you will.
Damn though you are right Boston plays more .500 teams in the second half.
Right, they have to keep the deficit here. They can drop one more game, at most, but they have to at least split the Cleveland series. (and hope Toronto wins at least one in Boston).
But, then, after the AS break, like I said: it’s smooth sailing, with the Yankee lineup back at full strength, going up against pitching staffs that are gonna be even weaker than in the first half. It’s gonna be nothing short of carnage. The Yankees already showed what they do against weak pitching in September of last year. Now they’ve added three more deadly bats.
Let’s be honest, There is a mutual love affair between Manny Machado and the Yankees. What better way for Brian Cashman to convince Manny to sign with the Yankees long term during the offseason than to let him experience a true pennant race and playoff baseball in NYC? It will get done.
Here’s a better way: by making the highest bid. That’s what it’s gonna take, anyway. The notion that Machado will take less money to stay in NY, just because he supposedly likes us, is naive.
Besides, while there’s some validity to the suggestion of improving this team by adding Machado, rather than a starter, that’s only because there don’t seem to be impact starters on the market (and because Andujar is still very green).
Once you have quality starters available, and Andujar gains some experience, the math becomes very clear:
1. If you spend $350-$400M to upgrade third base, you go from the 3 WAR Andujar gives you to the 5 or so Machado averaged as a third baseman in the past few years.
2. Meanwhile, if you use the same money to upgrade the two unproductive spots in the rotation (the two spots that combined for replacement level production), with the two best pitchers on the market in the next two years, you’re getting a 7-8 WAR upgrade.
Manny ok with playing 3B again? Maybe the plan is to move Andujar across the diamond to first and get rid of Bird in a trade for a pitcher. That makes them very righty but if it’s Manny, Torres, Stanton, Judge and Sanchez then who cares
Bird is a better all around player than Andujar. Even with a batting average 70 points lower than Andujar, Bird has a higher OBP. He’s a much better defender than Andujar. Sometimes I think people just say things for the sake of it
There’s another one of those Bird trades for a pitcher, again teams don’t want a injury ridden player(-value).
On Machado: obviously MLB isn’t the NBA but this Manny Machado situation reminds me a bit of what happened with Paul George and the Lakers. He wanted to be in LA, but a season of playing with Russell Westbrook convinced him to stay. I think a half season on the Dodgers or Cubs could do the same with Machado. Obviously it worked out fine for the Lakers in getting LeBron, and the Yankees would be fine without Machado, but I don’t think you wanna risk him going elsewhere if you really want him.
If Sheffield is not in it, it’s not a strong offer. It’s just an offer.
That’s a funny/terrible post.
Yankees prospects are trash, worst case wait and get compensation pick. O’s are stupid.
Yeah, the ones they have brought up the last couple years really suck.
Judge, sanchez, severino, torres, andujar, bird, green, holder.
Get off whatever drugs you’re on, lol
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Always funny to see the Yankee haters whine & cry
Can someone explain why Bryce Harper is a all star
Yes. Hes one of the superstars of the game and its in his own park. I used to think like that until i realized its an all star game. Not an all stat game.
Disagree. It’s supposed to represent the best players of the CURRENT YEAR. It isn’t a lifetime achievement game. He has no business being in the All-Star game, this year. But, as usual, political b.s. comes into play.
Political BS? You mean the fan vote? Well I guess voting is political.
I’m a Red Sox fan and balk at Moreland being an All-Star as opposed to other players left in the cold.
So if you were buying tickets to the All-Star game would you rather see Bryce Harper or a relief pitcher for the brewers that nobody’s heard of?
It would be a different OF that would replace him, not Jeremey Jeffress..
The Dodgers need to step up and trade for Machado! They have the prospects to get him and the money next year to sign him. They could move Seager to second next year to take the stress off of his elbow.
Having the money to sign him isn’t a reason to trade for him because it also means they have the money to sign him without trading for him first
This is a huge risk, but I believe it would be a good idea to trade for machado. He’s already said that he wants to be a yankee which gives them a good chance to resign him. Which would make andujar a trade piece for a controllable sp.
They also have a good chance to sign him without trading for him first. Trading for Machado does not have the future in mind.
Yankees can have him….you cant trade for baseba god juju and hes got none!
What the hell are you babbling about?
In plain simple english-Machado sucks. The Yankees can have him.
Where’s he going to play?? Machado already said he wants no part of 3rd base. And moving Didi would be stupid. Maybe the almighty Yankees will decree that from here on out they will be playing with a “Shortcenter,” just because they’re the Yankees.
Brandon Drury……. come on people. Nice role guy, but not a difference maker on the field or in a deal.
That role guy has been a proven major league starter for the last 2 years who is above league average in batting and is a doubles machine.
He also plays all around the diamond and the outfield…..some “nice role guy” who has not been given any chance since he went out with an unforeseen injury after coming to the Yankees and Andujar has excelled at 3rd.
Some role guy….wish we had 3-4 of them!
Need to trade him for Fulmer. Elite 3rd baseman with all that control? No brainer.
Screw that…deGrom
Some dumb team will trade for him, Phillies will sign him, no draft pick attached. Love this plan.
Best case for Cashman, get Machado, Eovaldi, and trade for a young controllable pitcher.
Michael Fulmer
I’m afraid that the Tiger’s want an ace package for Fulmer, who’s really pitched as a number 3 since his ROY campaign. Still if the price is right, I’d obviously love this
Tate And 2 lower prospects for Machado.
That’s won’t get the job done
And you know this how???? Didn’t know We had an Orioles executive on the site…
Cause that package sucks and the Orioles owner hates the Yankees.
Two Baltimore front office employees!
Baltimore had their chance last year and over the winter to ask for the moon for the caliber of player Manny is. Now with free agency looming for him and a couple of months they have to ask themselves do they want to keep him and get a pick as well as do Manny a disservice by keeping him on a losing team or do they trade him now for quantity to try and build that farm system back up.
If they want a top pick back to compensate for the pick they will have to include either Bundy,Gausman or Britton.
Orioles can also dangle the same scenario with Adam Jones packaging him with the aforementioned above to get again more bodies into their farm system.
By waiting as long as they did they handcuffed themselves now they should be creative and gut most of the tradeable pieces to replenish the farm system.
This almost is the same case like when the Yankees traded Alfonso Soriano to headline that package and got Arod only now its Andujar that has come out of nowhere and has held up his own but again the player they are trading for is better than the player they had back then and have now.
Yankees can still stay under the luxury tax and they will because no way in hell Baltimore will Trade Manny until after the All-Star Game you would think they would want him to represent that city one more time and even more so in Washington, D.C. which would then help any team looking to trade for him because each day that passes its less money that club will take on for the remainder of the year.
In the Yankees case they get this trade done with Orioles “Big If” expect then a trade of Clint Frazier and some for a starting pitcher that is controllable ala Detroit Tigers (Fulmer) or Rays (Archer).
This is the BS story Yankees are not going to give their farm system to get Manny It’s a drive the price up for other clubs
Damn didn’t realize the Yankees had to give up everyone on their minor league rosters for Machado
Lol! Yeah, none of the fans think that the Yanks should give anything up, especially the positions that are of need for the club trying to negotiate a deal for the player that the Yanks are looking to provide. They think the other club should just take whatever the Yanks are offering and be thankful for it. Everyone knows that the player that would be coming to the Yanks really is not that good and not worth giving anything up for. Take Cole for instance. He was was a bum and a has been and not worth any prospects what so ever.
Yeah but even still I wouldn’t trade Torres for Cole. He’s special
Hey Folks, I have just been told by a source in the Jays’ room that the Jays don’t like the offer from the Yankees for Happ and at the moment the Jays are leaning to the Dodgers offer for Happ. Things could change if the Yankees or another club steps up their offer, but doubtful. #Scoutseyes
I don’t think anyone here cares much if we get Happ after his last outing in Toronto. His ERA is 4.5 though he’s been stellar against the Sawks
At this point, unless Happ has 2-3 scoreless outings before the deadline then he’s hardly a statistical upgrade for the Yankees. And considering the fact that the Jays price is apparently quite high, I’d pass. I’d much rather see them go after a younger Eovaldi and bring up Sheffield to deal with their rotation problems.
Just suck it up and pay the price for deGrom. Make a strong financial offer to Machado in the offseason.
Everyone of the team is young. Lots of time to rebuild the farm system.
As a Yankees fan, I see this as a great move if they have a solid chance of retaining Machado after the year is over. However, I hope it’s a Cashman lightning deal giving them 24 hours instead of him upping the price for Machado and Balitimore just turning around and saying “Hey other 5 contenders, the Yankees offered this. What do you have to offer?”
Orioles would be remiss NOT to turn around and use the Yankees offer to tempt other clubs. That’s how negotiations work in a market like this.
Lord help every team in baseball if this happens.
I don’t understand the big stink surrounding justus Sheffield. He’s got some swing and miss stuff, but lacks command so far. Yes, he’s young, but I’d like to see the BB’s much lower based on his age and level of competition. Also, I don’t believe Angelos is smart enough to trade Manny to the Yankees, even if they do have the strongest offer. The people in the O’s front office making decisions have a very low baseball IQ. Moreover, the O’s seem to be narrowing their trade interest in just “arms”. That in of itself is a moronic way to go about trading Manny. The O’s front office will screw this up for certain.
This didn’t age well for Cashman. He’s a fool