JULY 15, 2:59pm: The Phillies, Dodgers and Brewers are indeed in the lead for Machado, according to Eduardo A. Encina of the Baltimore Sun, but a source tells him “it’s too close to call” whose offer is the best. The Braves are still alive, adds Encina, who writes that “the strength of the Yankees’ offer appears to have been exaggerated.”
2:32pm: The Yankees are still “serious” about acquiring Machado, Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe hears.
1:37pm: The Orioles continue progressing toward a deal, tweets Olney, who echoes Heyman in suggesting the Phillies, Brewers and Dodgers are the three most likely clubs to acquire Machado. Olney omits the Yankees and Indians, however.
9:06am: The Brewers have made a “good offer” for Machado, Heyman tweets, adding that they “appear” to join the Phillies and Dodgers as the most likely landing spots for the shortstop. The Yankees and Indians are also still alive, Heyman suggests.
JULY 14, 5:44pm: The Orioles are “definitely motivated” to get a deal done as soon as possible, Olney adds, citing an evaluator who is familiar with trade discussions.
5:14pm: The Orioles are “making progress and narrowing their focus” in Machado trade talks, Buster Olney of ESPN tweets. The Phillies and Brewers are said to be among the finalists; it isn’t clear who the other finalist(s) might be at this time.
1:19pm: The Phillies are “thought to be” ahead of the Yankees “and maybe most others” in the Machado derby, Heyman tweets. The Brewers, Dodgers, Diamondbacks and Indians remain in the mix, though, per Heyman.
JULY 13, 6:30pm: Rosenthal adds on Twitter that the O’s are taking a closer look at the Philadelphia farm. And Jon Heyman of Fancred tweets that there has been “some progress” between the sides
That said, there’s some uncertainty among teams pursuing Machado as to when the O’s intend to make a decision, according to ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick (Twitter links). While the club is said to “have a pretty good idea what [Machado] can bring” back in a trade, it seems that some suitors are wondering if the Orioles won’t wait to act until the deadline gets closer.
12:55pm: The Phillies have improved their offer to the Orioles for star infielder Manny Machado, reports Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (Twitter links). In recent days, the Brewers, Dodgers and Yankees have been categorized as the favorites to land Machado. However, Rosenthal suggests that while the Dodgers and Yankees have the strongest offers on the table, the Brewers are beginning to fade from the mix, while the Diamondbacks are, at this point, “on [the] periphery” of the market.
Regarding the Yankees’ interest in Machado, some have considered it a questionable fit given the presence of Miguel Andujar and Didi Gregorius on the roster. Rosenthal, though, echoes recent suggestions from MLB.com’s Jon Morosi that it’s at least possible that Andujar could be utilized as the centerpiece of a trade to acquire a controllable piece in the rotation, thus opening a spot for Machado. There are questions about Andujar’s defense, Rosenthal notes, which is borne out in defensive ratings (-12 Defensive Runs Saved, -7 Ultimate Zone Rating).
Suffice it to say, there are plenty of moving parts on the Machado front. Baltimore has been said to be keen on acquiring controllable starting pitching, and the Phillies have plenty of options in that regard, as do the Brewers, Yankees and Dodgers.
It’s not yet clear what, precisely, the Phillies (or any team) is willing to offer up, though the Phils have intriguing young rotation pieces in the form of Zach Eflin and Enyel De Los Santos, each of whom has already pitched in the Majors this season (extensively so, in Eflin’s case). Right-handers Sixto Sanchez and Adonis Medina are each considered to be among the game’s top 75 or so prospects, and the Phils have a number of MLB-ready back-of-the-rotation options on the 40-man roster who could be secondary pieces (e.g. Ben Lively, Jake Thompson, Drew Anderson, Mark Leiter Jr.)
Regarding the Yankees’ scenario, while some fans would undoubtedly bristle at the very notion of moving Andujar, third base is a position of depth for the Yanks, who still have Brandon Drury as an option who could step onto the big league roster following the season, should that scenario ultimately play out. Of course, the Yankees also figure to be prominent players in the offseason market to acquire Machado this winter, and if they’re successful in that regard, Andujar would’ve potentially been viewed as an expendable piece anyhow. As ever, it’s worth emphasizing that that’s one of numerous scenarios that’s likely being kicked around at this juncture.
As for the Brewers, they’ve previously been said to be among the most aggressive suitors, but right-hander Corbin Burnes, one of the Orioles’ targets, could prove to be a sticking point in those talks. Tom Haudircourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel took a lengthy look at the fit between the Brewers and Machado earlier today, calling him an “absolutely perfect” fit given the team’s deficiencies in the lineup — particularly at shortstop. Milwaukee, according to Haudricourt, still views struggling Orlando Arcia as its shortstop in 2019 and beyond, but Machado would give them a potentially overpowering top of the order, joining Lorenzo Cain, Christian Yelich, Jesus Aguilar, Travis Shaw and Eric Thames/Ryan Braun.
Phillies2017
Stop!!! Dont mortgage the future for a rental
chound
“Don’t Stop!!! Mortgage the future for a rental”
Is how this should read! Save the rest of the MLB from themselves while being the stupid goat at the same time.
xabial
Hey Phillies2017, you’re one of the cool ones, so just thought I’d provide you with this update. (Rosenthal link, 6:30pm update)
“Orioles have ramped up background work on #Phillies prospects, responding to Phils’ increased interest in Machado, sources tell The Athletic. Phils won’t move RHP Sixto Sanchez but are willing to trade from SP depth from Low A to AAA. RHP Adonis Medina of interest to O’s.” @Ken_Rosenthal
twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/10178953246380359…
RHP Sixto Sanchez left out of any Machado package would be HUGE
some guy 2
Would be great if the Phillies could also trade from their depth of disappointing first-round outfielder picks too.
Phillies2017
Thanks!
Happy Sixto isn’t in talks.
xabial
Np! Here’s an update from George King III of the NY Post, regarding Phillies specific names:
“Names being discussed are outfielder Jhailyn Ortiz (19 years old), right-handed pitcher Franklyn Kilome (23), right-handed pitcher Adonis Medina (21) and shortstop Arquimedes Gamboa (20).”
nypost.com/2018/07/14/yankees-unwilling-to-trade-t…
I’m not going to lie to you. I’m very familiar with the Yankees’ system, not Phills’ system. Which one of these, would you give up? I’m interested, you’ve shown you know your team
yanksfan2010
I would rather have 5 years of Miguel than 3 months of Manny.
Joe Kerr
The first sentence of the 2nd paragraph is very confusing to me. Talking about Machado but at the end of it referring to him as a controllable piece of a rotation…huh?
MetsYankeesRedSox
Look in that sentence for the name Andujar
AHA! The paragraph had been edited.
Joe Kerr
Yeah the paragraph was changed, makes more sense now.
joshb600
Makes perfect sense. Andujar is a 3B. By trading him for a controllable starter, it frees up a spot on the roster for Manny. That’s exactly what the paragraph says.
Steve Adams
In fairness, it was worded a bit more clumsily in my first run through it. It still made sense in my mind, ha, but the structuring was certainly not ideal. Trying to juggle this and the Utley thing simultaneously and rushed through it a bit. Apologies on the confusion and many thanks to all for pointing out that it could stand to be cleaned up!
leefieux
We’ll let it go this time Steve, but if it happens again, POW, right in the nether regions.
chound
It doesn’t matter, it’s the Phillies…
MetsYankeesRedSox
Go to a game in Philly and say that out loud! LOL
Joe Kerr
All good, keep up the good work.
User 589131137
I appreciate that, as a journalist, you not only respond to conversation about what you’ve written, but correct yourself when needed. Thank you.
bradthebluefish
Steve’s one of the best for that reason alone.
gorav114
Not in October u won’t be saying that. Macho man is a difference maker, how do u think Baltimore got those 25 wins!
MetsYankeesRedSox
That’s really a slam on the other 24 guys but I understand the implication that Manny is good.
Having watched the mid 60s to early 70s Orioles, it’s a shame the organization has become so dysfunctional.
rocky7
You’re nuts….Machado is an perennial All Star….everybody should stop the love affair with Andujar who is a nice player but reminds me of Y Solarte who we traded to the Padres…..
If there is a chance to go out an get Machado and then convince him to play in the Bronx, its worth the upheaval that this over will cause.
Even Drury, given the chance and health to perform would far outperform Andujar over the course of time.
RedRooster
Again, trading for Machado doesn’t make him any more likely to sign with you
thegreatcerealfamine
But it certainly doesn’t hurt, especially when it’s his dream. Question is do they want him.
RedRooster
It would still be his dream even if they didn’t trade for him first
kbarr888
I disagree with the rooster…..because each side has a chance to look at the other side a little closer….. and maybe, just maybe… they enjoy hanging out together and there’s a clearer path to a long-term contract.
It doesn’t always happen that way but that is the chance a team will take. If the Phillies give Machado the money that he’s looking for and he enjoys playing with them for three months….. it’s quite possible that they have an advantage in the negotiations. Other players have leaned in that direction before and it wouldn’t surprise me for it to happen again.
RedRooster
It can also backfire (see the Dodgers and Yu Darvish) and it’s not the type of thing you give up the prospects Machado will cost for. If you wouldn’t trade for him if you knew 100% that he wouldn’t sign with you, then you shouldn’t trade for him period.
breckdog
Machado has stated he is going to be a free agent. He wants to go through the process though he has hinted that the yankees would be his preferred landing spot in free agency.
frankiegxiii
It can also work, look at the Dodgers and Rich Hill
RedRooster
@breckdog that would still be the case if they didn’t trade for him.
RedRooster
@frankiegxiii the Dodgers traded for Hill because they needed another starter for their playoff push and he was the best starter available, not because they thought it would make it easier to sign him. The only way your argument works is if you think the Dodgers trading for Hill was a prerequisite for signing him.
politicsNbaseball
Bad example, Yu wanted to stay, probably because LA traded for him in the first place. Dodgers weren’t interested in re signing him as they had their sights on shedding payroll
RedRooster
His comments from when he signed with the Cubs don’t sound like a guy who was all that interested in re-signing with the Dodgers. Sounds like there’s some hard feelings on both sides.
Lance
Darvish isn’t an ace. He had great stuff at times that would tease you but he just hasn’t been very consistent since TJ surgery. We saw that in the playoffs last year. Texas traded him because they knew they didn’t want to resign him…..and the Dodgers didn’t want him, either. At least not at the price he wanted. Now….he’s on the DL and for how long, who knows? It’s looking like the Cubbies made a horrible decision….maybe worse than Jason Heyward.
RedRooster
My point being that trading for a player doesn’t always give you an advantage in signing him. Machado isn’t necessarily going to like whatever organization he’s traded to (if he even is traded). And even if he does, the advantage would be marginal. Not the type of thing you give up impact prospects for.
CubsRebsSaints
Yeah it does. Only a tiny bit more likely. But it does. Just ask OKC if it helped them re-sign Paul George???
RedRooster
“A tiny bit more likely” is not the type of thing you trade top 100 prospects for.
frankiegxiii
It doesn’t matter if the Dodgers trading for Hill was a prerequisite for signing him, the Yankees, Rangers, and Astros tried to sign him and he chose the Dodgers. Sometimes when a player joins a new organization it CAN make that player more likely to re-sign with that organization, it’s all up to the player, many things factor into the players decision to sign, there’s no definitive answer, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t, so unless you have some inside information you can’t really say signing Machado doesn’t make him any more likely to sign with you, the only person who knows the answer to that is Manny Machado. Players don’t always take the highest offer.
RedRooster
Hill chose the Dodgers because they offered him way more money than anyone else. Not because he’d played for them. He would have signed with the Dodgers anyway!
Any advantage you get by trading for Machado would be marginal and, again, not the type of thing you trade top 100 prospects for. Trading for Machado has 2018 in mind and nothing more.
thegreatcerealfamine
Rocky finally another sensible post. Kudos
KnicksFanCavsFan
You say that Drury will outperform Andujar but there’s zero reason to think so. If you feel Drury is on the cusp of getting better then why can’t Andujar be given the same benefit of a doubt.
Right now, Andujar is on pace to have a better 1st year than Drury has had in any of the 2 full seasons he’s had thus far.
Career highs
HRS- Drury (16 in 2016) vs Anduar currently w/ 12
Dbls- Drury (37 in 2017) vs Andujar currently w/ 27
Bat- Drury (.282 in 2016) vs Andujar currently @ .282
OBP- Drury (.329 in 2016) vs Andujar @ .318
Walk %- Drury (7% in 2016) vs Andujar @ 5%
Defensively they both rank as negatives but Drury is slightly ahead of Andujar in def WAR.
Factor in Andujar is home grown, has 2 more years of control, I would rather keep him and move Drury.
thecoffinnail
I for one really hope the Yankees do not sign Machado next year. I like how they have built the current team from the minors and good trades. We can finally tell Yankee haters to stick it when they accuse the Yankees of buying all of the good players. After acquiring the NL MVP in the offseason by pretty much just taking over his contract adding another perennial MVP candidate on a $300+ million contract would be too much. IMO its better for baseball when the best players are spread out and not lumped between LA, NY, and Boston.
thegreatcerealfamine
Yet it’s not a 300 million dollar contract. Yankees haters will always try the old tried and true line “the Yankees buy championships” so not true mostly for quite some time. Screw them anyway with LA, Boston, Cubs doing so,and the Phillies planning to spend big. I want the best product on the field no matter how.
orangeoctober 2
While it would be an expensive deal, Machado is different from some of the other very expensive contracts we’ve seen in the past since he will be entering into it at such a young age. Even if you signed him for 10 years, that would take him to like his age 34/35 season I believe. Several times in the past we’ve seen teams sign 7-8 year deals (or more) with the expectation that they will be paying for several down years toward the end of the deal. With Machado, that is much less likely. A team signing him this off season will presumably be getting Machado for the prime years of his career too.
Taylorofrockford
Agreed
stubby66
Stay pat Milwaukee don’t give away the farm. He is good but there is others out there that will get us to the promise land like, Duffy (TB), Andrus, Huira, or even Devon Travis
kmeadno1
This sounds ridiculous haha
BAs Grandpa
In trades, none of those guys offer anything Milwaukee doesn’t already have. They should bring Huira up and see what he can do.
therealryan
You would think if the Brewers had a 3 WAR, .309/.363/.409, 117 wRC+, 2B or SS they would be playing him over the garbage they’ve been sending out there all year. If they don’t, someone like Matt Duffy would be a pretty good target for them considering he can play 3B, SS and 2B, has 2.5 years of team control remaining and is making <$1 million this season.
thetoddv
Stop with the Huira talk. The kid can hit in Biloxi, sure. But there’s nothing that says he’s a special kind of player that doesn’t need to develop like 99% of other prospects.
11Bravo
Hiura will get called up in September to pinch hit and get a taste of the show but I agree, he’s not ready. Next year at the earliest.
Bryzzo2016
Isn’t that what the Brewers did last year at the deadline? Stand pat. How did that work out for them? You don’t sign Cain at his age, trade for Yelich and then stand pat. You’re either all in or rebuilding. The worst place to be in pro sports is in the middle. Especially for a franchise that has made the playoffs once or twice in like 30 years!
I realize that the Brewers need a catcher and REALLY need a SP or two, but that line up is so unbalanced. Essentially 3 automatic outs with SS, 2B and the pitcher’s spot, meanwhile you have to play Thames out of position to get Aguilar in the line up. Braun, Shaw, Thames, Aguilar and Yelich can’t be in the lineup at the same time unless you bench Cain and play Yelich out of position in CF.
I think the Brewers and Dodgers are the perfect fit for Manny. I think if the Phils step up, unlike the Brewers, they have the resources to re sign him.
I think the Brewers should do what they did with the CC rental. 2 playoff appearances in 3 decades is almost unbelievable, gotta go for it when you have a chance.
ray_derek
Agreed, they’re in a win now mode, they have to do something.
fisher40
By mortgaging the farm for a 3 month rental? The Brewers will not give away their best hitting prospect and their top pitching prospect for a player who has no chance signing with them beyond this season.
therealryan
I don’t think the Brewers should trade away Hiura in a package for Machado, but should strongly consider anyone else on the farm as a headliner. A 55FV and 50FV prospect as the main pieces is the kind of deal I expect it to take to take to get Manny.
twentyforty
The farm isn’t special. Mostly role players or average regulars. Zero difference makers. Average depth wins nothing.
stubby66
I didn’t mean stay pat and don’t make trades. I’m saying stay pat in there belief of not giving up Peralta, Corbin or Huira in trade to Baltimore. Yes I think they should make some trades. I just want them to look at all possibilities heck I would even consider an out of the box move of Jordan Zimmerman trade if they eat money on his contract to get a better prospect. Put him back in the National league at his home town and he might be dominate again
Bryzzo2016
I think the second half of last year really bummed out Milwaukee and their fan base. That’s probably why they spent big on Cain, gave up legit prospects for Yelich even though they already had Santana and Broxton on the squad. I don’t think you do those types of moves unless you’re all in. Taking a flyer on a guy like Zimmerman seems anticlimactic. They typically don’t attract big free agents, they don’t have the budget that major market teams do… they need to take advantage of a rare opportunity at playoff baseball. I think they gotta go for it.
Think about this, even IF these prospects pan out, it’s not like the Cubs are going away anytime soon. Their core is still really young, under team control for years to come and the organization practically prints money. So, it’s not like the Brewers will be able to run away with the division in a couple of years, again IF, these high prospects even pan out and realize their potential. Go BIG, show your fanbase you’re serious about taking down the Cubs and playing some post season ball.
If I were Milwaukee, I’d clean out the cupboard and get Machado, Realmuto and perhaps Dozier OR a starter like Happ or Hamels, maybe even Wheeler. Braun is past his prime, Cain isn’t getting any younger, Yelich is very good and young, but not a superstar you build around. Go for it now, otherwise you’ll very likely see a repeat of what happened last year in the 2nd half.
kabphillie
Having lived in Wisconsin for a few years, there is always the feeling that even if the Brewers are doing well into August, they’ll eventually fall back and crap out. Going all in now might help change that perception, in the short term at least.
AlBundysFanClubPresident
Last year they said they were 2 years away from a potential contention window. Just like they said in 2015 that the tear down/rebuild would take until ’19. I believe Cain was a target for them regardless of what happened last year, and having Broxton meant very little. His defense is great, his bat is bad. The Yelich deal was made, in part, because he was available AND controllable for 5 years. Also because they were hoping to sell high on Santana. Sadly nobody wanted him.
The plan, I still believe, is to more or less roll with what they have the rest of the way. Perhaps another Neil Walker type trade (Dozier for instance, if the asking price isn’t too high). Unless a controllable TOR starter can be had. Otherwise wait til winter to try and get a couple difference makers.
As for the idea that Milwaukee collapsed in the second half last year, why not give credit to the cubs? They had an insane August and September. The brewers weren’t exactly what you should consider bad. Especially considering they were projected to lose close to 100 games.
its_happening
Won’t take that much to get Devon Travis. Please do.
twentyforty
Milwaukees farm has no difference makers. Without one, they are about to have the best start in franchise history…and in 2nd place at the ASB. Let that sink in….along with the very likely decline of that starting staff.
Michael Chaney
I never understood why the Phillies would trade for Machado unless they can get him for an insanely low cost. They’re certainly good enough, but they’re probably a year ahead of schedule and it’s too early for them to go all-in because their window will be open for a while. It would make sense for them to sign him in the offseason, but they should hold on to their assets and get someone controllable if they really want to make a splash.
RenoChris
An open window means nothing if you don’t go through it
Cubbie75
@Michael Agreed
T_Rexx2
Except that this year, the Nats are vulnerable and the braves are also young, so you want to take advantage of this and make the playoffs. I’m not saying trade the farm for Machado but they need to make some moves and capitalize on the year they’ve had
Bryzzo2016
It seems Philly really thinks they can hold off the Nats. Why not go for Manny. They have the resources to have a shot at re signing him. No chance he’ll do an extension, but the Phillies could definitely be legit players once he hits the open market, especially if he liked playing there for a couple of months.
chound
They are going to sign him out of FA anyway, may as well over pay to have the inside track.
RedRooster
Trading for him doesn’t give them any kind of inside track troll boy!
Yankeepride88
Phillies are going to deal with a strong Braves team AND the Nationals aren’t going away. Without Harper they still have Soto who is playing out of this world. Nationals and Braves are gonna be tough to beat past 2018.
kbarr888
Soto has come back to earth in the last week or so…… everyone should temper their expectations for this kid. No doubt he’s good but he’s not as good as he’s been so far.
I think the Nationals are done for now and should trade Harper at the deadline for the biggest package they can possibly get. That would be the prudent thing to do because they are definitely not going to be able to re-sign him afterwards. Their8 backlog of financial commitments is much too great for them to take on a $400 million contract…. almost there somehow going to stretch it out over 20 years…..LOL.
fighterflea
Looking more and more that Harper will sign a 1-year cushion deal with the Nats so that he waits a year to go into free agency from a better position than at the moment. That keeps the Nats’ window open and gives the Nats a better look at Robles and Soto. No way Harper gets traded at the deadline.
jbigz12
Why should anyone temper their expectations on Soto? He’s done nothing but hit at 19 years of age. He’s more than a good player.
RedRooster
They really should trade Harper. Clearly the goal is long-term success, which he won’t be a part of beyond this year. Trading him won’t stop them from signing him to a 1-year cushion deal if he does end up taking one of those.
ericdbright
That was Milwaukee’s attitude last year. It didn’t work out so well. Someone is gonna make the move. Milwaukee would be much improved with him in the lineup, as would the Diamondbacks. I’m curious just how badly either team wants to win this year AND potentially snag a top piece from a division competitor.
Michael Chaney
That’s a fair point about the Brewers last year
brucebochyisthemarlboroman
This is not a wise idea at all, need to wait until the offseason and just sign him.
dwilson10
Machado to the Phillies for Adonis Medina and JP Crawford
T_Rexx2
Honestly wouldn’t be mad about this. Especially if they can sign Machado long term.
RedRooster
Signing Machado long-term wouldn’t make this any better unless you think trading for him is a prerequisite for signing him.
Johhos
I’m all for this as the start. Throw in a Zach Green type, or a Cozens and a Drew Anderson. Even if you don’t re-sign Manny in the offseason, you can play Kingery at short or sign Cabrera or bring back Freddy for defense.
realgone2
As a Braves fan I’m all for this!
Adam6710
Four way deal:
Yankees get: Jacob DeGrom, Madison Bumgarner, Manny Machado, and Brad Hand
Orioles get: Roansy Contreras, Matt Sauer
Mets get: Eduardo Torrealba & Canaan Smith
Giants get: Player to be named Later & Cash
atomicfront
LOL the Orioles would never make that trade.
Luckybrew
What are you smoking, this has to be a Yankee delousious.
#Fantasygeekland
It’s obviously a joke dude
rocky7
You guys are wayyyyyy to serious…..its a joke man, but stop the S_it about bering the Yankee fan comment man!
callingoutdummies247
Dude, you’re too easy
mstrchef13
So the Giants are going to give up arguably one of the Top 5 starters in MLB for a player to be named later and cash? That’s really one of the least intelligent things I have ever read on this site. You have just lost your fantasy trade card.
By the way, how do the Yankees get Hand from San Diego? The Padres just gift him to the Yankees via Paypal?
tharrie0820
I can’t believe people STILL fall for these most obvious of troll jobs
MetsYankeesRedSox
Pretty funny I think!
Boogaloo
You are a special kind of dumb, lol
Phillies2017
Sooooo what does San Diego get back?
Michael Chaney
This has to be joke…right?
MetsYankeesRedSox
I think you’re giving the Mets too much credit in that deal.
hojostache
Troll? I mean…come on…that’s like trading 2018 Jose Reyes for Mike Trout straight up.
Big Matt
Any Jose Reyes lol
Bruin1012
He’s just trolling completely dismiss this clown.
firstbleed
Yankees could have made this trade a few years ago if only they would have been willing to part with future HOF’r Rob Refsnyder… they totally blew it.
Meow Meow
Padres get: brief acknowledgement by the rest of the league that they do, indeed, still exist, sort of.
thediesel4
Come on Phillies!! Offer them more, more, more!!!!
callingoutdummies247
He’ll be a Met, with Wright never coming back the Mets will trade for him and sign him to a 20 year contract 90% differed into manageable payments until 2089. To get him they will trade Syndergaard and DeGrom and send a player to be named (Tom Seaver). There will be a celebration celebrating the Wilpons in the parking lot of Yankees stadium!!! Three cheers for the Steinbrenners
Caseys.Partner
The daily fake Machado rumor.
No one has offered an elite prospect nor should they. It’s two months. No one including Trout is worth an elite prospect for two months.
If the price is low enough on July 31st then Machado will make sense for the Phillies. If not then we’ll see him in a Phillies uniform next year alongside Bryce Harper.
mstrchef13
Just because you feel no one is worth an elite prospect for a two month rental doesn’t mean you are correct. The history of baseball is littered with executives way smarter than you who feel differently.
Caseys.Partner
” baseball is littered with executives way smarter than you”
That’s definitely not true.
Phillies2017
This site is littered with commenters much smarter than you
jorleeduf
Yes it is
Bobby Mongan
Yeah… I’m thinking someone is a “VIP Card Carrying Patron” at a Holiday Express somewhere.
Meow Meow
I’m not really addressing this person’s comment directly, but it is worth noting that until they changed the draft pick compensation rules about 7(?) years ago, getting a top-tier rental also meant getting the benefits of a class A free-agent (for anyone who may have forgotten: the first qualifying draft pick of the team that signs him over the winter). This made giving away a top prospect for a rental more palatable, since the draft would bring in some extra probably-first-round talent in a matter of months.
Since teams are now explicitly forbidden from making a Qualifying Offer to a player they acquire midseason in his walk year, paying big for a rental is significantly more risky, organizationally speaking.
Boogaloo
Stop with facts and logic.
That’s frowned upon around here.
MetsYankeesRedSox
I could picture both Harper and Machado as Phillies for one reason.they both have that hard nose attitude and Philly fans in general are the same type of fan. Rough and tumble beer drinking town.
True story. Fall of ’76 at the Vet Phil’s/Cards. Two of us Jersey guys walking a sheet saying Let’s Go Mets! Getting pelted with full drinks and glass bottles. It didn’t last long before security showed.
Harper and Machado would be worshipped in that town.
hojostache
I was a kid and had beer thrown/dumped on me multiple times at Flyers and Phillie games bc I wore a Mets/Devils jersey. I’m just thankful they didn’t have batteries. The Eagles fans though…by far the worst. Going as a teenager/college kid and grown adults trying to pick fights with me/my friends in the parking lot. Pure trash attitudes.
snotrocket
People from the East Coast are generally garbage.
Jimcarlo Slaton
snotrocket said: ”People from the East Coast are generally garbage.”
And people like you are generally uninformed bigots who bring shame to anyone who has the misfortune of being associated with them.
mstrchef13
FYI, as a lifelong O’s fan, I can tell you that Machado does NOT have a hard nose attitude. In fact, if he signed with the Phillies I can guarantee that within the first week of the season he will have failed to run out a grounder that me might have beat out when the infielder bobbled it, and he will allow a runner to reach base because he was too nonchalant about fielding and throwing the ball. He is an amazing talent but he is lackadaisical and borderline lazy and Phillies fans will turn on him as soon as he stops producing at an elite level for two weeks.
brucebochyisthemarlboroman
@MetsYankeesRedSox As a die Philly Sports fan I couldn’t possibly be more proud of this story and thank you for sharing. Brought a smile to my face. For the record too I almost beat the piss out of a devils fan at the flyers Valentine’s game this year for being a douche. But someone beat me to it.
PopeMarley
Sounds very classy. Were your kids with you?
brucebochyisthemarlboroman
You actually think I’m serious??
MC77
@BruceBochyistheMarlboroMan….It seems like you are an idiot either way. Whether you wanted to fight someone for wearing a different team jersey, or you are pretending that you wanted to fight someone for doing so, the look is the same.
yankeemanuno23
Yankee History shows that when they have had a top lefty power hitter in the lineup as a star, they win pennants or WSeries, period.
Machado is another RH in a lineup full of them. I hope they don’t bring him on. Will the chemistry be screwed up? the Yanks have 20+ HR above Boston, leading MLB. Starting pitching is priority to win WS now! Then go get Harper in the fall as a free agent.
Joe Kerr
Tell that to the Cubs who gave away Torres and got a ring for doing it. Probably wouldn’t have won it without Chapman.
tharrie0820
Joe Kerr, funny, cause Chapman damn near lost that WS for them giving up the game tying homerun…TO RAJAI BLEEPIN DAVIS
Caseys.Partner
“Joe Kerr, funny, cause Chapman damn near lost that WS for them giving up the game tying homerun…TO RAJAI BLEEPIN DAVIS”
Cubs lineup won the WS in every way from April through Game 7, hitting, and catching the ball better than any other team.
path501@yahoo.com 2
Everyone overlooks the Braves, either Machado or Harper will be in a braves uniform next season. The Braves have been positioning themselves since the beginning of the season by shedding salaries (Kemp). They will have enough payroll available to sign either one fairly easily, which in turn, will create more revenue.
I don’t think there is even a team with deep enough pockets to sign both.
Caseys.Partner
“I don’t think there is even a team with deep enough pockets to sign both.”
The Phillies.
Do the math.
If Ted Turner still owned the Braves then they would also be in that position. Greg Maffei…..he likes to see that money flowing into his bank accounts. He drained almost $400 million out of Liberty Media in one year alone.
path501@yahoo.com 2
Machado and Harper? North of 500 million for the pair. The money going into Maffeis’ pockets doesn’t count towards team salaries.
There is no team out there that will pay the luxury taxes alone for those two.
Caseys.Partner
“There is no team out there that will pay the luxury taxes alone for those two.”
But the Phillies can sign both Harper and Machado without incurring any payroll tax.
Do the math.
jeffk-2
Per Cots contracts, Phil’s have $69 million in contracts next year and about $30-$35 in arbitration for a total of $104 max. $30 million each for would put them under the luxury plan.
Caseys.Partner
“The daily fake Machado rumor.”
And another day and….
The horse race. The Phillies racing against themselves to empty their farm for someone no other team will pay for.
Caseys.Partner
And Buster chimes in with a second fake Machado rumor.
Busy Saturday!
Caseys.Partner
It’s Sunday so it’s time for the fearsome foursome to begin tweeting nonsense about Machado.
The Phillies are bidding against themselves.
Caseys.Partner
Olney chimes in to try to convince us that the Phillies are not the only bidder.
They are.
Phillies bidding against themselves.
Caseys.Partner
Wow!!!!!
Nick Cafardo!
Then a Baltimore beat writer chimes in repeating the Sunday stuff from the national Fearsome Foursome.
Phillies still bidding against themselves.
Cat Mando
CaseysPartner/free_aec………I think it’s a safe bet that you were conceived in the back seat of a clown car.
BlueSkyLA
Those clowns definitely want their car back.
RedRooster
You have no room to talk Cat Mando
MetsYankeesRedSox
Someone refresh me. About a year ago? Might have been right before they got Stanton? Some talk about the Yanks flipping Stanton after a year for someone else? Was it Harper?
bronxbombers
Flip Stanton to LA (where he’s always wanted to play and where he’s from) and NYY sign Harper
MetsYankeesRedSox
That was it!
Thanks
Dark_Knight
I’m all for the Phillies getting Machado as long as Sixto isn’t in the package. Trade Crawford or whomever. He’s a division changing talent.
jolink65
If they were so anxious to unload Andujar, why would Cashman have been telling every team this previous offense that Andujar was untouchable in any trade talks? The sticking point, as I understood it, for Gerritt Cole was the Yankees’ unwillingness to give Miggy up. I can’t see them giving him up now when he has shown the ability to hit big league pitching at a high level and he has improved at 3rd. I still think this interest is Cashman trying to drive the price up for whichever other team makes the trade.
thegreatcerealfamine
That was Torres.
wiggysf
This makes no sense. That would also be increasing the return, which would make Baltimore better in the future. No real positives for the Yankees to drive up the price.
mstrchef13
To be honest, I doubt that the Orioles are on the Yankees radar. Any deal they make will be with the intention of beating the Red Sox and winning the division. If they feel that Machado will do that for them, it won’t concern them a bit that they might make Baltimore better a bit more quickly than it might otherwise take.
rocky7
You got the whole thing wrong…Pittsburg wanted to win the trade for Cole and wanted Torres involved also…..Andujar was always in play as a piece but the yankees and pirates couldn’t agree on the number and exact personal involved to get Cole.
The Yankees aren’t anxious to unload anybody but if the right trade proposal arises and they can improve an already good ball club, why not do it.
You’ve seen the best that Andujar can give you…..too free swinging, always pulls, never..never walks, with average at best defense.
cwsOverhaul
DeGrom destination the real intriguing story that warrants a bidding war. Machado rental empty calories. If Mets okay trading within division, Phillies/Braves + Brewers/Yanks battling makes for good theater.
Caseys.Partner
Brewers and de Grom should be a real thing.
Milwaukee will never pay a real starter and de Grom has control.
Hiura is good enough to headline a deal. Still burns me that I would have drafted him or Jo Adell for the Phillies instead of…..
douglasb
de Grom is worth a lot more than Machado due to the years of control obviously.
But why do people think the Brewers are desperately in need of starting pitchers? They have about 6 number 3 starters. Sometimes quantity is a quality. When your team has a 118 ERA+ and a 97 OPS+ I think the lineup seems to be the bigger issue.
cwsOverhaul
Rolling dice with quantity of okay starters rather than seizing the moment of acquiring a controllable ace can foreseeably hurt them in tall task of holding off Cubs or winning a wildcard play-in game.
douglasb
Yes it can. This is true.
But giving up Keston Hiura, Freddy Peralta, and Corbin Burnes for de Grom would most certainly ruin their hard won standing as a team with a good pipeline. And probably turn them into a team that will be rebuilding again in 4 years.
Phillies2017
I will say, I agree with you on Keston Huira. He was my favorite bat in the draft last year. Canning and Thompson were my 2 favorite pitchers.
norcalblue
For Machado, it is my sense that giving up May and Lux is probably too much for Dodgers. Both are emerging as top 10 prospects in their system and may already be there. For a two month rental, I feel that’s too much. Ruiz, Smith and Verdugo should be untouchable.
I cannot imagine that Orioles want to deal Machado to Yankees. If Yankee, LAD and Phillie offers are seen as equal, either Dodgers or Phillies will get him. I am not familiar with Phillie system so I do not know how Phillie prospects being offered compare to Dodger offer. In the end, it’s the internal rankings/evaluations that Oriole scouts/FO have made that will matter. They no doubt are targeting specific players. A deal will be made and they will get the guys they rate the highest.
fighterflea
From the buzz today, it would seem that the Phils upped their offer for Machado by including P Adonis Medina. So it’s probably safe to assume Medina, SS J.P. Crawford ++ for Machado and Britton.
norcalblue
I really don’t see Dodgers having an interest in putting up the dough to get Machado this winter. Reports seem to indicate Phillies being willing to do so. Acquiring Machado now, may be more important to Phillies as it could give them an advantage this winter. Britton, if healthy, could be the wild card. Dodgers might be willing to go much higher if Britton is packed with Machado. Will be interesting to watch.
RedRooster
Trading for Machado now won’t give the Phillies (or any team for that matter) any kind of advantage in signing him!
Burt Schwartz
as a long time Phillies fan the thing that the phillies have to be sure of is,. can they sign Machado long term. Prospects are just that prospects, the chances of any of them being as good as Machado are very very slim. If they can get him signed I really don’t care who they give up. Machado has at least another 10 good years in him
sportsdoctor
The Phillies will make a strong push for Manny during the offseason. The team is doing great, but in all reality, they are NOT a World Series team at this moment in time. This team reminds me of where they were in 2006 going into 2007, on the cusp of being really good. They have zero reason to mortgage the future w/o a long term committment from Machado. Machado has zero reason to commit w/o testing the free agent landscape this offseason. A 2 month rental is NOT worth giving up Medina, De Los Santos, or Sanchez. No way no how. Simply put, go after Manny during the offseason and give up a draft pick, not a bonafide prospect.
AlBundysFanClubPresident
I believe the brewers are on a similar spot. Our window to contend actually starts next year, contrary to what so many fans here and on other brewers fan pages want to think.
My favorite line from these people (brewer fans or not) is: ‘you absolutely mortgage the future if they win it all this year.’ Just one problem, “if they don’t win it all” is much more likely..for the brewers and Phils. Difference is Philly has the resources to sign Machado after the season, Milwaukee doesn’t. Philly should wait til then, Milwaukee should bow out altogether and seek cheaper and/or controllable player(s).
Solaris601
I also see PHI and MIL similarly in this situation. Yes, Machado would bolster both lineups considerably and be a prime factor in getting either team to the playoffs. The problem for both teams is that neither has a rotation that can conceivably get them very deep in the playoffs even with Machado. BAL is understandably interested in getting the best young pitching talent, but Machado’s best fit (as a rental) is a team who is a bat away from being dominant (LAD, CLE). I’m not even sure if AZ has enough of a rotation to be looking at MM.
RedRooster
No reason the Diamondbacks can’t win with a rotation of Patrick Corbin, Zack Greinke, Robbie Ray and a resurgent Clay Bucholz. And then kinda have to win this year before Pollock and Corbin leave and they trade Goldy.
Vogt83
Right now….Nola, Eflin and Arrieta are good enough to go toe to toe with anyone in the NL. Velazquez can be downright dominant at times, also. The pitching is absolutely there… it’s the bat that strikes fear into the opposing team that’s missing. Can you imagine Hoskins’ numbers with Machado batting behind him??? It changes the landscape off the entire NL if the Phils get Manny.
Tom
I don’t think this Phillies team is as good as the 2006/2007 team; those teams had an established core of players that were very good, and you knew they were going to be very good. Would ANY of the current Phillies start over their 2006/2007 counterparts? I can’t think of one player who would.
If the price isn’t too prohibitive, the Phillies should absolutely go get Machado. It’s not worth mortgaging the future for, but at the minimum it would give them a longer period to discuss contract parameters with his agent(s).
Phillies2017
I think Odubel would’ve pushed Victorino to Left and maybe pushed out Burrell. Pat the Bat was solid but Odubels a much more complete player.
I could also see them shifting Cesar to 3B to keep his bat in the line-up in that scenario.
Tom
You’re right that Odubel is a more complete player, but Burrell was a better guy in the batter’s box; he hit for more power and got on base better.
And there’s two problems with your statement that Herrera would’ve have pushed Victorino to left…first off, Victorino wasn’t the Phillies CF’er in 2006/2007; it was Aaron Rowand. A rule 5 pick infielder was not going to push a Gold Glove centerfielder to left. The Phillies never would have tried to make Herrera at outfielder on that team because they had plenty, and weren’t going to bench Burrell—whose bat was incredibly valuable to them—for a rule 5 pick. As for replacing Victorino…on what planet is Herrera better than Victorino? Victorino produced a higher OBP, slugging, stole more bases, hit for more power, and was better defensively in CF.
Phillies2017
That makes sense. Completely forgot about Rowand.
Boogaloo
You don’t even have to give up a draft pick.
Guys traded mid season arent eligible.
If they trade manny to say, the dodgers and then philly signs him they dont give up any picks.
More of a reason why the orioles will get less of a return.
The cubs signed Darvish aaaaaaaand didn’t have to surrender a pick.
The brewers had to fir cain, how it works now
Rob204
Best trade you make is the one you don’t make, don’t do it. You get to watch a stud pitcher you once had for the next 15 years winning with someone else long after you forgot about your 2 month rental. And disrupt the chemistry of your young team.
doug4848
Over paying for him your not keeping him he got to test the market
downsr30
Milwaukee has a hole at SS, but they don’t have a need for a power bat like Machado. I think they have a hole and a need at the top of their rotation. I like to consider myself a logical Cubs fan, and Machado to the Brewers doesn’t scare me, because their offense is already decent, their starting pitching won’t hold up in a short series.
The deal I would make: trade what you need to trade for Chris Archer and Matt Duffy from Tampa. You get a couple guys who are affordable and with some control, you fill your shortstop hole with Duffy (yes he can play there), and while Archer isn’t “dominant,” he gives you a good shot at the top of your rotation. Right now the Brewers have a bunch of #3 and #4 starters, the Cubs have a bunch of a #2-#4’s, no true ace in my eyes either.. and I have the same fear for my Cubs in a short series where they may see Kershaw or Scherzer twice. Anything can happen in the playoffs, but you need to give yourself the best shot to succeed.
I’d offer Brett Phillips, Orlando Arcia and Brandon Woodruff for Chris Archer, Matt Duffy and Adeiny Hechavarria (for depth)
And go ahead and say “Archer isn’t doing better than anyone we currently have!” It’s not about what he’s done, it’s about what he can and will do going forward.
Bruin1012
The flaw in that logic is that isn’t nearly enough for Tampa.
AlBundysFanClubPresident
Phillips and Woodruff are expendable imo either now or this winter. But I’m still not convinced Stearns was, is or will be willing to part with Arcia. Maybe in a deal similar to what you propose here, but in a Manny or other rental scenario..I don’t buy that at all.
Part of me still feels like they’re going to wait and see how Nelson progresses before addressing the rotation. As of now I don’t think he’ll be back this year. And if he is, no idea how effective he will be.
swanhenge
This is playing out perfectly for BAL. They’ve dangled this NYY interest just to get a stronger package for MM. No way NYY would play for Machado since they already have better-than-decent players at 3B/SS. They need SP and Cashman will land Hamels/Wheeler/Happ for much less than people think.
cwsOverhaul
Naive on both statements. Floating Yank interest for Machado isn’t helping Bal to fleece another team. It’s basic posturing. Savvy GMs know where their max line is with specific prospects they’d be willing to trade for a rental. Guys you mention for Yanks won’t scare any playoff opponent. Your pal Cashman has sights on DeGrom and willing to part with serious quality prospects few other clubs with tighter pursestrings can afford to let loose.
Vogt83
Right now….Nola, Eflin and Arrieta are good enough to go toe to toe with anyone in the NL. Velazquez can be downright dominant at times, also. The pitching is absolutely there… it’s the bat that strikes fear into the opposing team that’s missing. Can you imagine Hoskins’ numbers with Machado batting behind him??? It changes the landscape off the entire NL if the Phils get Manny.
jorleeduf
Umm?
Bobby Mongan
It amazes me that most people don’t get it about the so called “Mortgaging The Farm”
Giving up 2 possibly MLB prospects and maybe one not ready for the MLB prospect for a Very Talented PROVEN MLB All-Star is actually in the favor of the Team giving up the prospects (Not In The MLB yet and certainly not proven yet). The team with the most talent on the field has a better shot at the World Series than one that has Talent… But it still looking for one more piece to the puzzle. This is the Phillies shot.. and even the Brewers … So it makes perfect sense.
Djones246890
The impact Machado would make in improving World Series chances is marginal. A superstar starting pitcher would GREATLY improve World Series chances. A position player…..not as much of an impact.
toby312
It’s amazing how controllable SP in trades started a year or so ago with WSox return on their 2 SP amongst others. Whether it was or is good returns only time will tell
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Just get something done so we all can go on with out lives.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
Swap him for bats and balls!!!
KnicksFanCavsFan
I think Cashman is just keeping everyone honest by indicating there’s real interest in Manny,
a) Yanks system is still good but we really only have Frazier, Sheff and maybe 1 or 2 guys that are viewed as top 100-125 prospects. We have a limited amount of bullets to use. Spending any of those assets for Manny is like driving your Bently, to go to the Maybach dealership to purchase a new model that you then park outside of your apartment in Brooklyn. Upgrade your most glaring need first and tinker with the rest as you please. Use your prospects to address the starting pitching.
b) Most people say ” trade for manny because we have depth. Use Andujar or Drury to get a starting pitcher. Well if we have depth (which we do) then why trade for a same position player which costs prospects rather than just acquiring the pitching? It’s going to cost you prospects to acquire Manny and then more prospects/controlled mlb players to get the pitching. Seems like too many moving parts.
c) How much of an improvement in terms of wins is there to gain between Manny vs Andujar/Drury in a 3 month span? Why not just wait until the offseason and sign him as a FA and then orchestrate the best way to use the surplus to improve then 2019 team?
d) How is Manny going to affect the team chemistry? The Yanks have a great mix of young talent and a couple of vets. They are gelling. If you introduce another superstar player on the cusp of FA into the mix we might throw the chemistry off.
jbigz12
Manny isn’t going to throw off the yanks chemistry I promise you that. They’d be thrilled to have a guy like that and to tell you the truth I think he’d love to be there over anywhere else.
bostonbob
The O’s can’t be that dumb to trade him to another team within the division, can they?
RedRooster
How would that be stupid? The division rival would only get him for the rest of this year which largely doesn’t matter for the Orioles. If it’s stupid for anyone, it’s the other team.
Z-A 2
Phillies doing something stupid for a rental. Trade for pitching you fools. You pay for hitting, trade for pitching.
josuph
Phils should try and push a package loaded with some of their garbage first round picks from the past few years. Moniak, Randolph, et. al. Not that I think the O’s will bite. Just needed to get a shot in at the Phils terrible drafts in recent years.
AlBundysFanClubPresident
If it’s true that the O’s want to hang onto him til he suits up 1 last time for them in the all star game, these teams are not only bidding against each other, but their own prior offers, AND wasting time and resources doing so when they could be working on a deal elsewhere.
dust44
As good as machado is. As a Yankees fan I don’t want to c them trade Andujar. I’m a big fan of keeping the kids that r producing. I would rather c them trade from the young guys in the minors that no1 knows if they will actually produce for a legit 1A starter.
I will not like seeing Clint Frazier or Andujar being traded. I will hate HATE if they trade Torres (which I doubt they will ever do).
Go all in without adding those 3 for Thor or slightly less to get Fulmer from the Tigers.
Bruin1012
You aren’t getting a Thor or DeGrom without adding at least one of those three.
Philliesfan4life
The phillies need to get this trade going , and hopefully they do resign him , Machado makes perfect sense for the phillies of all the other teams that want him. The yankees dont need him or the dodgers.
cscd1111
Are the Phillies a serious contender to win the WS with the addition of Machado, if the answer is no, why waste the assets. The only way the Phillies should do this is if they know 100% he will resign with the Phillies.
thedarkbutler
Not to mention that the Dodgers are shy a bat with Seager out of the lineup with the only production coming from Muncy and Kemp. Getting Britton and Machado makes more than sense because the relief has been iffy and Seager is gone for the year. So a rent-an-all star makes sense for LA. NY I guess makes sense to put him at 3rd. But they’re really having to chop into their farm which I think they should hold off and settle with the wildcard at least try to steal 1st from Boston. Either way they are projected to make the post season. Phillies make no sense to me other than trying to plan for next year. That is if they think they can persuade him to stay. I think they should follow the old saying, “Don’t fix what isn’t broke.” They’re doing awesome this year and even leading the division. Keep what’s working for you.
RedRooster
And even then they shouldn’t do it because that means they can sign him without trading for him.
yanks02026
The answer is no. The Phillies are a good team but they’re not a serious World Series contender even with machado
Philliesfan4life
If they added Machado and a bullpen piece, they can make a deep playoff run, their rotation is pretty good.
ropano44
Philadelphia send Medina, Suarez, Gamboa, Ortiz and Franco to Os for Manny and Britton. Os can flip Franco to padres for two arms. Depth. Depth. Depth.
bucketbrew35
“Philadelphia send Medina, Suarez, Gamboa, Ortiz and Franco to Os for Manny and Britton.”
Keep dreaming man. There is no way they send FOUR top 10 prospects from a top 5 farm system for 2 rentals. That’s about as unrealistic as it gets.
ropano44
Manny will re-sign with Philly. Lives their management and they have the money. Why deplete their big League club if they’re making a run? Britton stock is up. Phil’s also get to keep Sanchez and Eflin. Gamboa not producing as much at this time. He and Ortiz are low-a. A lot can happen over next couple years. Not as unrealistic as you may think. There’s a reason offers are increasing….
RedRooster
If you’re so sure the Phillies will be able to sign him it makes more sense to wait until the offseason, sign him in free agency and give the Orioles nothing
ropano44
Guess I should have phrased it a little differently. I think time in Philly will enhance their odds of signing him.
RedRooster
It won’t.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Cubs, jankees and Dodgers have money too. Seager can move to 2nd. Forthye isnt that good anyway. If they go that rousted of course.
Yankees dont need him. Torres is their future SS.
Cubs dont need him. They got Russell.
And Baez
yanks02026
So the other day the Yankees were the favorites, now it’s the Phillies. Tomorrow it will be the Dodgers and then the next day he’ll be traded to a fourth team.
RedRooster
Nailed it.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
If the Phillies get Machado they’ll win the east. Braves win the wild card. Nats win the 2nd wild card. But it is an even year. Giants will find some judy like connor Gillespie or cody Ross to find a way to make the playoffs.
RedKing22
Wild card is gonna be PHI/ATL and ARI/LAD, not the Nats.
Philliesfan4life
The nationals should consider trading harper if they don’t get out of their rut.
bravesandcrewfan
I think harper would be a pretty good fit in Seattle. Could play 1st till Cano gets back and in the playoffs
bravesandcrewfan
What about the Brewers/cubs
Psychguy
Dodgers don’t need Machado. They need Brandon Morrow, Oops.
The_Porcupine
Delosantos, kingery, and Franco for machadoand Britton
kbarr888
They signed Kingery to a 6-yr deal. They must have a ton of faith in his future to do that. No way they trade him for a 2-month rental……..is there? Had they not extended him…..I might tend to agree with you.
jbigz12
His value has done nothing but drop since that extension. Now he’s a struggling young player that is owed a guaranteed $20+ million. Not that the salary is prohibitive but it certainly doesn’t help his value at the moment.
Knowthemarket
When will the Orioles make a decision? When teams stop making better offers. Why would they stop a bidding war?
bradthebluefish
The only way I’d trade for Machado is if he is willing to take on 3B. Otherwise he has too little WAR due to his mediocre SS defense. (But superb 3B defense)
RedRooster
They aren’t going to trade him. Bank on it.
ropano44
You got all the answers.
jbigz12
“And if they do trade him they will be thinking about 2018 alone because as we all now the orioles can resign him in the offseason.”
RedRooster
Yes mullethead, they CAN sign him in the offseason. Just like what the Yankees did with Aroldis Chapman two years ago.
jbigz12
Lol. I see it 2-3 times every time Machado’s Name pops up in an article. Do you have it copy/pasted on your computer? Mullethead is a bit of an odd insult though so I suppose you get creative on those.
RedRooster
And you are going to keep seeing it as long as people keep acting like trading for Machado somehow has the future in mind or like trading for him gives the acquiring team some kind of advantage in signing him.
Lance
if Machado has any agent worth a damn, there’s no way he’s NOT going to put his client on the open market to get the best deal.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
5:44pm: The Orioles are “definitely motivated” to get a deal done as soon as possible, Olney adds, citing an evaluator who is familiar with trade discussions.
Get ‘R Done
ReverieDays
Brewers are about to drop their 5th straight and are out of first. The usual second half slump started a week early, it seems.
walls17
buster olney doesnt have a clue
lowtalker1
Of course the Yankees are not
They won’t trade to them unless they get Sheffield
cscd1111
I believe the Phillies need more then Machado to win a WS. So if Machado is just a rental, I’d rather them pass, It really is about a sign and trade, the Phillies have the money so how determined is Machado to see free agency, would he sign with the Phillies?
RedRooster
Nope. Trading for Machado isn’t going to give the acquiring team any advantage in signing him so if getting him signed beyond 2018 is a must for you, the smart move is to wait until the offseason when he costs no prospects, just $.
Djones246890
As a Cubs fan, I hope the O’s fleece those moronic cheeseheads for every last prospect. I just want to see their faces when they don’t win the World Series and then get to watch him walk and sign elsewhere at the beginning of the offseason. Lol.
bravesandcrewfan
Aggressive… And Stearns is no moron. He’s only trading for a rental if he doesn’t have to burn the future.
RedRooster
Not as bad as trading Gleyber Torres for a 2-month rental
Ry.the.Stunner
It won them the World Series, so there are zero regrets from that standpoint. Considering Torres was blocked, a rental trade for Machado would be MUCH worse.
RedRooster
“It won them the World Series”
Are you sure about that? The Cubs would have at least made it to the World Series without Chapman and if anything, they almost lost it because of him.
Anyway, The Yankees had to trade Chapman and no one else offered anything close. Cubs could have gotten him without giving up Torres.
its_happening
It won them a World Series. Torres wouldn’t be playing over Russell, Baez or Bryant right now. Enough said. It’s all about the ring and how you get it.
RedRooster
They won the World Series despite Chapman. And almost lost it because of him giving up that dinger to Rajai Davis.
cmancoley
That’s an idiot comment. You have to look beyond that game. Chapman was dominant. Just because you watched one game of the postseason doesn’t mean that you know whether Chapman helped them win the WS or not. headass
RedRooster
I watched the entire postseason. The Cubs steamrolled their way to the World Series. Then in the actual World Series the only game where Chapman might have made a positive difference was Game 5.
Aril
I only watch when they play the Dodgers and Chapman wasn’t dominant there
Djones246890
It most definitely won us the World Series, and we have Baez (who is turning into a superstar), and Russell (who could’ve easily been an All-Star. Torres doesn’t even factor in my mind.
Priggs89
Do you know how clueless Joe would’ve looked trying to manage the bullpen without Chapman during the playoffs? He used and abused that golden arm.
The_Porcupine
The Phil’s are absolutely capable of playing deep into the postseason as long as Arrietta and Nola continue to pitch the way they’ve been. If they pick up Machado and a couple bullpen arms (since the post season is more about the bullpens now) and the Phil’s will be as good as anyone else in the NL.
Jimcarlo Slaton
Phillies need more than Machado to get far in post season.. They can’t hit, poor infield defense, pitching is a varied mix..
Jimcarlo Slaton
One might think they have very good pitching and defense to go along with the lack of hitting to be 11 games over .500.
TJ H.
Listening to boring radio on my drive home. Someone mentioned Brewers trading Turang. That isn’t allowed correct? I thought draft picks couldn’t be traded until after World Series. Am I uninformed or the caller?
chopy4
Technically you’re right but they could trade an agreed upon player to be named later or PTBNL. See Trea Turner in the now lopsided 2014 trade between the Rays, Padres, and Nationals.
TJ H.
I thought they changed the rules after that starting with the 2015 draft. That PTBNL had to be eligible for trade at time of trade. They shortened how soon a drafted player could be traded from one year to after World Series.
bronxbombers
Yes you are correct it was changed
simschifan
After this weekend against the Pirates the Brewers may give them everything
Cubguy13
I love how with every major free agent or trade rumor there seems to be a “mystery team” involved. Having to see where these players go is dramatic and suspenseful enough, why is there a need to try and add something stupid like that?
kbarr888
So when they are wrong…….they can say “Ahhhh,….that was the mystery team!”…..
RedRooster
Correct
astick
Crazy. This Machado rumor has come out of nowhere. First time I’ve read about this.
bravesandcrewfan
At this point I don’t give a crap where he goes or for what package. Just trade him already, dang it! The orioles aren’t going to get any better offers by waiting unless Alex bregman is out for the season or something to that effect. Pick your favorite offer and go, already.
socalbum
July 16 and July 17 reports — someone has a new crystal ball
MetsYankeesRedSox
MLB metrics the new Minority Report
slider32
Looks like teams are giving their best offers now so he should get traded soon.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Is there ‘White Smoke’ coming out of the chimney at the Warehouse.
If there is, it’s time to get excited.
If not…….carry on and continue on with your Sunday
tonysdog01
Isn’t it amazing how some people value their prospects more than a World Championship??? Yankees go get Machado and trade what you have to for a real pitcher.
Polish Hammer
Mortgaging everything doesn’t guarantee you a title. Give up a stud prospect for a 10 week rental and have that haunt you for years.
BTW, the Yankees can trade everything for him and then still most likely be stuck trying to win a wild card playoff game just to get in a playoff series. There are no guarantees.
colonel flagg
“There are no guarantees.”
The same can be said for prospects.
Psychguy
Dodgers need a pen, not a SS.
BlueSkyLA
In the chewing gum and walking department, they need both bullpen upgrades and a solid bat. If the solid bat happens to play SS then so much the better.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
I’m telling you here and now, if Machado is traded, he’ll be traded to one of only twenty nine teams.
jbaker3170
These rumors are so fun to read…One day it’s Team A is out of it while Team B is in it, then the next day Team C is likely to land Manny, but Team D is a dark horse, but wait…Now Team B doesn’t want to trade this prospect or that prospect while Team D is suddenly favored as the landing spot. Truth is, nobody knows where Manny will land at this point, so no team is out while no team is a favorite. This is the same site that said Yosmany Tomas was down to San Diego and Atlanta and literally the next day he signed with Arizona.
tigerfan1968
I do not know why a team would not put up their best offer right up front. This posturing does no good and insults the Orioles.
When there are so many teams in the mix you may as well show your cards on day one not at the midnight hour.
tacohole
The Orioles insult themselves.
kbarr888
Ever Buy A House?
Did you submit your “absolute best offer” first?
Ever Buy a Car?
Same question.
At least in those two situations…….YOU KNOW what the seller wants…..sort of.
Teams probably put together something pretty close to what they THINK will get a deal done, but don’t REALLY know what the other team wants. They’re guessing. So there’s a back-and-forth that is natural for negotiating a deal.
Maybe they don’t really WANT to give up what they end up offering, but the pressure is on and they succumb to it.
Polish Hammer
You obviously know nothing about negotiating. I’m sure used car salesmen are drooling over customers like you “I’ll cut to the chase and I’m not giving you a penny over $10000..” while that salesman couldn’t take the deal quick enough for that car worth $7500.
kbarr888
Polish Hammer……You talking to Tiger Fan?
I can’t tell if you replied to my comment or his…….but the content of your comment sounds like it was his.
Polish Hammer
Yes I was talking to TigerFan
JKB 2
Really Tigerfan? First of all its not the midnight hour. That would be July 31st. Next its called negotiating. But your gonna make your best offer early then let the Orioles use that to shop around?
dtrainriotmaker
One minute it’s one team in the lead for him another minute it’s another just leave it at Phillies ,brewers , dodgers , Yankees and Indians all are interested
mets2424
Perfect fit for dodgers. He will sign with them long term he goes to 3rd turner will play 2nd
yanks02026
Not a fan of Cashman prospect hugging, deal some prospects and improve this team
27bronxbombers99
and you improve the team by getting a good starter because this team only has 1 consistently good starter
yanks02026
There are no good SP on the market. Happ and Hamels are doing bad lately
kcbbfan
Duffy from the Royals has been very good the last month or so.
hiflew
How can all three teams involved be in the lead?
BlueSkyLA
I take this to mean that three teams have made credible offers.
simschifan
Phillies are the only team that actually probably NEEDS him. Brewers need pitching and so do the Dodgers.
Joshp
O’s just pulled machado from game in 5th.
simschifan
Just to rest him up earlier, he’s still in the dugout
JKB 2
Really … that is interesting
JKB 2
It was just reported he was pulled due to conditions in the infield being poor. Just being cautious to avoid injury
Paul Heyman
The O’s just need to pull the trigger! I can’t stand that they won’t pull the trigger because somebody adds another piece for a dude who can’t even play shortstop that great.
Philliesfan4life
Cross the. yankees off the list for Machado, they will not trade any of their top 10 prospects for him according to a notification I received from bleacher report.
ctguy
That’s good news. The last thing the Yanks need to do is over spend on a 3 month rental. Let another team do that.
Philliesfan4life
Im both an angels and phillies fan, I really hope the phillies sign him but won’t be shocked if they do trade for him, I think they are better off getting beltre and britton
Little Whirl
Oh, Bleacher Report reported that? Well, that’s ironclad then. 😉
ray_derek
Brewers better hope Machado can pitch
AlBundysFanClubPresident
And he, Cain, Yelich, Aguilar and Shaw are the only 5 that get to bat…
Still don’t think Machado makes them a contender even if they had taken 3 from Pitt, but REALLY hope Stearns doesn’t hit the panic button and make this deal. Ride it out with what they have and see what happens. Next year is the actual target to start contending..and he can make deals in the off-season.
Elfod325
Someone will overpay the O’s with a top pitching prospect or close to it. Of all these teams the dodgers are really the only logical fit right now. They had interest in Britton last year before he got hurt. If I were a dodger fan I could live with them giving up a top pitching propspect from the lower-middle end of the minors for both players…
Rumncoke
I wouldn’t be surprised if no trade happened. The O’s front office are idiots.
Polish Hammer
And if so they’ll still get a high pick as compensation, so it’s not like 5hey won’t get anything.
JKB 2
The pick will not be a high pick at all and yes it will be like they got nothing compared with deals they would be turning down
Little Whirl
It’s not that high a pick all in all & considering the possible development time baked into that, it would be a pretty disappointing outcome for Baltimore imo. Better than nothing obviously, but they can & should strive to beat that relatively low bar.
blackleather
he’s going to LA…you can believe that, And Im not even a Dodgers fan. When you consider how halfassed they were last trade deadline, I dont think they’ll half step again. And bottom line, they need a straight up SS..and they can afford to give up whatever they have to give up, for a rental that they cant afford to lose NOW or the offseason. My theory is they trade fr him and then they go after him hard and heavy in the offseason. They claim to have all this money…well, SHOW ME THE MONEY!
Seagar is a nice SS…but he aint no Machado. And thats about as simple as I can put it. Keep Manny and trade Seagar.
BlueSkyLA
Go ahead, boggle our minds again.