2:40pm: Outfielder Brett Phillips is one prospect who could go from the Brewers to the Orioles in a potential trade package, reports ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick (via Twitter). Phillips doesn’t have a clear path to playing time in an outfield mix that has Lorenzo Cain, Christian Yelich, Ryan Braun, Eric Thames and Domingo Santana, but he’s more or less big league ready and could give Baltimore a potential replacement for Adam Jones in center field. Crasnick notes that Jones, a free agent at season’s end and a trade candidate in his own right, wouldn’t stay in center field beyond 2018 even if he ultimately returned to the O’s.
Phillips, 24, is in his second season at the Triple-A level and has batted a combined .280/.359/.498 with 23 homers and 20 steals through 716 plate appearances at that level. He entered the season ranked as the game’s No. 80 overall prospect, per Baseball America.
9:34am: Morosi now tweets that in addition to Buehler and Verdugo, the Dodgers are also unlikely to include Ruiz in a trade for a rental player.
8:50am: The Manny Machado saga continues to be the focal point of Major League Baseball’s rumor mill and appeared to take a step forward over the weekend. Seven teams have reportedly made offers for Machado, with the Dodgers and Brewers now reported to be the most serious suitors. Today, MLB.com’s Jon Morosi takes a look at those top two teams and the manner in which each lines up with Baltimore as a trade partner.
Morosi echoes a prior report from USA Today’s Bob Nightengale, writing that he hears Dodgers Class-A right-hander Dustin May is of particular interest to the Orioles. So, too, is Double-A catcher Keibert Ruiz, whom Baseball America recently dubbed the No. 26 prospect in all of baseball. It’s not clear how willing the Dodgers are to part with either player, though Morosi notes that L.A. would be reluctant to trade away either Walker Buehler or Alex Verdugo for a half-season of Machado (or any rental player).
The Brewers, however, appear to be a better fit in terms of the type of MLB-ready arms that they can offer, Morosi observes. Corbin Burnes and Luis Ortiz are both on the cusp of MLB readiness (to say nothing of Brandon Woodruff), and the Brewers have multiple players with MLB experience that have been back and forth between Triple-A and the Majors this season, including Orlando Arcia, Domingo Santana and Keon Broxton.
Meanwhile, Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com reports that some of the teams who’ve approached the Orioles have expressed interest in package deals involving both Machado and one of the Orioles’ relievers — Zach Britton, Brad Brach and Mychal Givens, specifically. The Orioles are open to packaging Machado and Britton or Machado and Brach in order to enhance a potential return, per Kubatko, but the team’s preference would be to hang onto Givens, who is controlled through 2021.
It’s certainly easy to understand why the O’s would prefer to hang onto Givens, whose stock is down from last year thanks to worsened control an a half-mile-per-hour dip in his average fastball velocity. There’s no urgency to trade him as there would be with Brach or the struggling Britton, each of whom is a free agent at season’s end. If Givens is finishes the season strongly or turns things around in 2019, his value could take a substantial step forward given that remaining club control. Of course, there’s also a case to be made that the O’s should be amenable to the idea of trading virtually anyone on the roster, given the poor quality of the farm system and the sizable gap between them and the Yankees and Red Sox — not only in 2018 but over the next few seasons as Baltimore reshapes its roster.
As a Brewers fan I would much rather us put together a slightly better package to get DeGrom instead of Manny. Both guys would be huge for the playoff push but the years of control in a smaller market like Milwaukee has to matter. 3 months of Machado isn’t close to the same value as 2 1/2 years of DeGrom. Especially with a team who should contend the next 3-5 years.
Would be a lot more than slightly better to obtain DeGrom but still a wise move.
Slightly better wouldn’t do it. They’d have to pay up huge for deGrom and his years of control.
Slightly better will not do it for DeGrom. In fact if Manny had 2 1/2 years of control his package would be through the roof and much more than DeGrom
“Slightly better”…? You’re talking about a controllable ace that is the ERA leader and a few months of Manny. NYM wouldn’t trade him without a franchise-altering package. They’re BAL of the NL — they love to watch stars slowly fade and hate to get value.
Just curious how people feel about the idea of a DeGrom package being slightly better than a Machado package…
so…I think people are taking offense to the phrasing slightly better.
Let me be the first to say, slightly better won’t do it
As a cardinal fan I want to congratulate you brewers on a good season and you guys will most likely win the division if not compete in the wildcard you guys are amazing fans and you deserved a good season. Good luck hope you guys make a good move at deadline!
Boy be careful with the wording in this feed. “slightly’ in my eyes meant another top 100 prospect. Like a Burnes or Peralta on top of what Manny brings.
Nah. They’re just out to finish off Kato for good. His Twitter is must-follow in September.
you aren’t the first
Still not even close. He’s under contract that two more years, which means potentially 3 playoff runs of having deGrom. He’s an elite SP. It’d cost Huira (spelling?) as a STARTING point, plus more
As a Brewers fan I am perfectly fine with giving up Huira, Peralta/Burnes, Santana and another T20 system prospect for DeGrom… I don’t know too many true fans who wouldn’t be ok with that.
For DeGrom, I would do that in a heartbeat. But only Peralta, not both of them.
I don’t think anyone is “taking offense”, rather just stating the obvious that it will take a lot more to get Degrom than it would Machado. Zero chance Machado would stay in Milwaukee, this would be a similar move to when the Brewers went for a very rare post season appearance by acquiring CC and then rode him like a mule, actually pitching him on 3 days rest down the stretch.
Getting DeGrom, a frontline starter that may not even be available BTW, still has 2+ years control. Not only more value, but more serious suitors. There are only a couple contenders that really need help at SS, with the Brewers being one of them. He doesn’t fill a need for teams like the Yanks, Red Sox, Cubs, Cle, Hou, etc…
The Dodgers would be an ideal fit for just this year w/ Seager on the shelf, BUT here in L.A. the local media is constantly talking about Friedman’s laser focus to stay under the luxury tax to avoid being a repeat offender and reset the penalty phase this winter. So, Bal would have to take back salary and I don’t know that they’d be cool with that.
I like the fit with Milwaukee, but only if the Brewers also find a way to also acquire a legit TOR starter or even two. Should be another interesting deadline.
He would definitely fill a need for Cleveland. Shift him back to 3B, move Jose back over to 2B, and Kipnis and his .216 average hits the pine. Makes perfect sense.
I feel Braxton and Santana are key contributors to making a strong push toward either DeGrom or Machado. They’re both MLB level bats that are young and have power. Orioles need OFs. Mets don’t necessarily, they already have a log jam now in the OF. Orioles are probably a better fit if you don’t want to give up too many prospects for a rental. Plus the Brewer OF is stacked with Yelich, Cain, and Braun. With the platoon of Thames and Perez
As an Orioles fan, I feel like it has to be Santana. What teams wants to strike out more than the Orioles??? His almost 1.19 k per fan is only .1 off of chris davis’ career mark
Broxton, Phillips, Santana. They all have gigantic strikeout problems.
You really think you can create a package from the Brewers spare parts that will get deGrom or Machado? Santana had one very productive and has since fallen back to his typical production. Less actually. Broxton hasn’t even done that.
To get either you will have to provide real value that is going to leave you with a real since of loss. Machado will cost you one of your best prospects with other fillers and deGrom will cost two. Start thinking packages built around Hueira.
Huira is not getting traded for a rental. He’s only getting traded for a controllable TOR arm
Nobody wants either Santana or Broxton. They are mere throw ins as non-regular bench fodder.
DeGrom I do believe has another 2 years of team control after this year. If the Brewers are to go after him the Mets will basically deplete the Brewers farm system probably ask for 3or 4 top level prospects
Considering the ask that is being bantered around for Manny, Slightly better for DeGrom seems like it will be a very large haul for the Mets anyway. It is actually what the ask the Mets are demanding for DeGrom.
As a Cubs fan I wouldn’t mind seeing the Brewers trade for Machado. I agree that Machado’s impact would be much smaller + he is purely a rental
It doesn’t make sense to me for the Brewers to go after Machado when his defense at SS is basically unplayable. He’s on pace to be a -30DRS shortstop lol. If the Brewers were going to shift him to 3B, it would make sense but they have Shaw there.
Brewers would be wise to go after starting pitchers.
Except right now the Brewers are rolling with Saladino and Miller (and the spot start by Orf) rotating in and out a SS. Saladino has rated out below average at SS for his career (though this season he is slightly above replacement level defensively) and Miller rates out even worse than Machado at a per game basis. So it’s not like they’d be taking some monumental hit at SS unless they have hope for Arcia to start hitting.
Saladino and Miller is called small sample size success. You can’t run these stiffs out there regularly if you want to win.
Great points on them going after degrom vs manny
It gonna take at least 5 top prospects starting with who ever the brewers #1 prospect is. Doubt that will happen.
Brett Phillips
Keston Hiura just to start.
As much of a boost that Machado would be for the Brewers offense, if you’re going to give up Burnes AND Ortiz it better be for a legit ace.
I don’t think thats what he meant. He was just listing prospects that would be of interest for the Orioles. There’s no way Stearns gives up both for a rental unless the Orioles add someone like Bundy to the trade. I could see a trade like one of Ortiz/Derby/Woodruff, one of Lutz/Ray/Grisham and a A ball pitcher like Webb/Herrera/Harber for Muchado.
If the orioles are keen on trading for ML ready talent then replace Lutz/Ray/Grisham with Broxton/Phillips
I might be in the minority here but I would rather see them unload Santana instead of Broxton. Keon is Carlos Gomez but that defense is a huge asset especially in late inning games.
That seems pretty fair to me, although maybe two A Ball pitchers to balance it a bit more
” if you’re going to give up Burnes AND Ortiz it better be for a legit ace.”
Usually I’m all down with trading for the bat, but in the Brewers case I think they should be going hard for de Grom.
That would be all of that pitching headlined by Keston Hiura.
Burnes and Ortiz, headlined by Hiura for 2 1/2 years of DeGrom? I would take that.
Throw in either Phillips or Ray which I’m sure the Mets will ask for
Its gonna take more than that for an ace. Burned ortiz and Phillips and throw in Braxton that will keep the Mets gm on the line. Not gonna happen. Brewers are gonna end up in 3rd pool place anyway.
Red Sox’s hat him for devers and couple of prospects does anyone agree I hope manny machado comes to Boston and we need a third baseman or shortstop really bad
Just sit Bogaerts..? Move Devers and HOPE Manny resigns in Boston? Don’t see it.
Yea, Manny would rather sign in Japan then with the Red Sox.
Money would change that pretty quickly.
Not if devers is part of the package, I like machado but we have no hope to retain him, Sale will be the one they will target at extending on the offseason
You obviously are a real Red Sox fan. Bogaerts is a good SS, and Devers will either be fine at 3B, or they can move him to 1B and bring up Chavis when he gets completely back from his suspension. Machado is not a good SS, and we don’t need him.
Those are pretty decent packages, O’s should jump on one before its gone
Orioles need to be aware that the perfect is the enemy of the good. They have to get a high-quality return on Machado–but holding out until the last minute for the max could be a mistake. Bidding wars are great until buyers think it’s become too pricey. A team that’s under .300 has a long way to go, and restocking with Machado as the bait is an important start. But if bidders start to fall away, or if he gets hurt,,,
The Orioles have already screwed this up by not trading him a year ago. At the very least this past off-season. Britton, Bundy, Gausman, etc. They need to bite the bullet and tear it all down. It’s really the only way they’ll be able to compete in the AL East. The longer they wait, the further away they are from competing. I feel bad for Orioles fans.
It’s a rough life. 14 consecutive losing seasons. Then we were competitive only to watch them let Cruz walk to bring in trumbo and give chris davis more money than lebron which includes 43 million AFTER he leaves the Orioles. They haven’t developed a high end starter since Moode and they won’t sign ANY Latin free agents, but angelos loves him some Asian free agents. We were fully capable of competing to sign altuve, Chapman or even the Eduardo escobars of the world. Instead we got tsuyoshi wads and Hyundai-so Kim.
Ruiz&May?? Wow, Thatls Not gonna happen
The writer stated that The O’s were interested in those two. He never said that there wouldn’t be any others in the package.
I agree, I dont get all this talk of Verdugo, May and Ruiz……thats not what has been previously reported and the Dodgers dont get rid of top prospects……a trade for Machado with May as the headliner makes sense for a rental…….but we do have plenty of outfielders with strong prospects at the catching position in the minors. and Verdugo has been out of the lineup for 3 days now?
Not liking what Morisi is saying
Personally I think there’s zero chance that Verdugo, Alvarez or Ruiz are on the move here. No shot.
Only way I could see it happening is if they somehow pull off a six player deal with four prospects for a Machado/Britton combo package, with one of those top prospects as the headliner
True I will agree with that, there has to be a reliever or possibly even two plus Machado involved…….O’s taking in all of the money is the only way I see Verdugo or Ruiz involved in the trade
Look for a couple prospects that will be rule 5 eligible next year on the Dodgers roster to be part of this trade…….at least that should be the direction the Dodgers FO goes…….dare I say, follow the Yankee model……Cashman has to be given credit, his trades have involved Rule 5 eligible players ect. Did limited damage to a strong farm
Should the Dodgers really be interested in Britton at this point? They need someone who can help the bullpen now, not a reclamation case.
True on Britton, his velocity is a tick down & walk rate has been way too high since he has come back……BUT, he does fit the philosophical approach the FO tends to go by………get him at low value with possible high upside.. Even if he comes back a fraction off of what he was, still better than our options right now
We will essentially have two Scott Alexanders at worst
Yeah I’m afraid you are right about this FO’s philosophy of buying damaged goods and hoping for the best. That’s an okay approach for a team not in contention but I don’t see where it’s worked out very well for a contending team with specific holes that need to be filled. Britton might be good again some day but at the moment he stinks.
Verdugo sucks. Trade him while they can.
If the Orioles can get verdugo one, it’s a win. I would love more prospects. But if I’m the Orioles, I would consider giving up 3 months of manny to get 4-5 years of verdugo alone.
So what you are saying is that there is no chance the Dodgers get Machado.
Ultimately I agree with you, not worth it. Was more saying its the only conceivable possibility in my eyes
Milwaukee definitely has the best group of prospects to offer. If they really want him, there’s no reason why they can’t win the sweepstakes. I agree that they’re better off targeting deGrom than Machado though
I wouldn’t quite say they have the better prospects & could easily win the bidding since we still dont know who the Dodgers offered (Ruiz & May have only been mentioned in talks) & the Dodgers have a better farm system than the Brewers.
I don’t think Milwaukee will have to give up much for Machado if they want him.. Look at what the Tigers got last year for JD Martinez. Three prospects outside the top 10.
I think that return is more the exception than the rule though. Even then, I think we need to be careful about referring to prospect lists (compiled outside of actual front offices, no less) as some sort of monolithic value point, as they are definitively not that.
As good as JD Martinez is, he doesn’t compare to Manny. The O’s are gonna get a much better return than people think.
This song & dance always happens in these comments seemingly. Yes, the return should be significant.
JD Martinez was a DH in the outfield on pace for 35 dingers before going to Arizona and going on a Bonds like tear.
If everyone knew Martinez was going to be such an animal over his second half of that season other teams probably would’ve bid more for him.
It’s not like JDM had a rough first half. He just got better once traded. Machado won’t bring a Chapman/Miller type return, because he wants to play a position he’s not good at, and offense isn’t as scarce as lefty power pitchers. What I read from that most recent update is that Phillips is the player that Milwaukee is offering. He may not be the only player, 5-6 years of a young OF is easily a starting point for a bat only SS. It shouldn’t take much more, regardless of what Baltimore is demanding. Teams with needs will trade with easier partners to improve their teams, because Angelos may decide to keep MM. Once the needs are filled, less options to choose from.
The Brewers are not going to trade Arcia. Unlike with Broxton/Phillips/Santana, they don’t have the quality middle infield depth in the majors or minors to afford letting him go for a rental.
Don’t forget about Mauricio Dubon. He would’ve been up already playing 2nd or even SS if it wasn’t for his damn ACL. He’ll be ready next year though.
I agree but thats putting a lot of stock in a player returning from a torn ACL.
One thing I think everyone is forgetting…it is a very good possibility that Manny Machado would sign with the team that he is traded to if he spends half a season there. A destination to L.A. would be very attractive to a MLB player I would think. Not to even mention that most of these guys just want to win a World Series at some point of their career, Machado has already said that he was also intrigued about joining the Phillies and could very well be thinking the same thing about the Brewers and both of those teams are young and upcoming.
No… he’s likely to sign with whomever pays the most.
I don’t think the Brewers would be in on Machado at the years/$ he’s almost certain to get after the season wraps, but that’s ok. There’s nothing wrong with acquiring a player for a short period of time in order to augment a contender, although a lot of folks on here don’t seem to grasp that. Sometimes (and getting Manny Machado for ~2 months and some probable postseason exposure might be one of those times), I’d opine it’s even preferable.
“One thing I think everyone is forgetting…”
S T O P
Machado and Harper are not signing away their free agency. They are going to get paid.
Robbie Cano wanted to stay with the Yankees. The Yankees offered $175 million. The Mariners offered $240 million.
$240
-175
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$65 million
That’s how Machado and Harper are getting signed.
He probably could have easily made up the difference in big market endorsements.
But to be fair, once you add in NY taxes….
“Very good possibility” wrooonnggggg
Link to him saying that about the Phillies.
MannyWood 2 in the left field corner?
Machado Machaca Nachos.
Damn thats sounds so yummy
Hey how many times has that worked? Didn’t work win the Cubs and Chapman, the Cardinals with Heyward, just the ones off the top of my head.
There’s a greater chance he’d sign with a team like the Cubs simply because his childhood best friend plays for them.
But the reality is that at the end of the day, most of these guys will go to whomever pays the most.
The caveat I’d add though in regards to Machado, Harper, and Arenado in another year: they’ll likely go to the perennial contender who pays the most. I think winning is a big priority for them too.
No. Trading for Machado has no effect on the likelihood of him signing.
Do you really see Milwaukee signing anyone for $30mm per long term?
Machado to the Brewers for Corbin Byrnes and Keon Broxton
Especially with Lorenzo Cain’s recent deal, I would think Milwaukee would do that in a nanosecond. Broxton is older than most people think & has kind of a volatile profile, but he plays a premium position well & has oodles of team control. I’m not as high on Burnes as others, but I could see the Orioles being compelled to go for something like this if they value proximity & present day value.
I’d hope we could get it done without Burnes. How about Ortiz and Broxton and maybe even throw in Woodruff or Davies.
I still find it incredibly stupid that Baltimore is targeting “MLB ready arms.” These arms would be close to or at Free Agency by the time the Orioles are relevant again.
So what are they supposed to Target? NOT ML ready arms? Lol. Think of what you’re saying. “Hey… we don’t want guys that are close. We want 19 years olds who MIGHT be good some day”. That’s funny. Now… I will say this, the O’s should take the best available package regardless of positions.
I think the Orioles realize the terrible track record they have developing SP. Pitching is the most volatile asset in the game so I’m thinking ‘ol attorney Angelos is mitigating risk by getting arms that are almost there. Is that the right strategy? I don’t know but we don’t have a whole lot of success with developing pitchers.
“I think the Orioles realize the terrible track record they have developing SP.”
If he realized this he would actually make an active attempt to solve the problem from within i.e. firing the pitching development chain all the way down to the bottom and replacing them.
Adding MLB ready arms for that reason is like putting a band-aid on a shotgun blast.
Do you think the same guys have been in place the last 25 years? We haven’t developed an ace since mussina and I’ll let you in on a little secret. We’ve had plenty of different pitching coaches since then.
Yes. They’re supposed to target high impact players who are a year or two away. That’s the formula taken by rebuilding teams that came out of their rebuild with legit contending clubs. The Cubs and Astros should be every rebuilding teams model. They preferred guys that were a year or two away because they knew the rebuild would take them 3-5 years.
Think about it like this- if you start a 5-year rebuild with 2 ML ready players, then those two players will be nearing FA just as the rebuild is winding down. That negatively impacts the money you have available to add talent through free agency.
If you’re starting a 5-year rebuild, and you trade for ML ready arms, you’re essentially putting yourself in a best-case scenario where those guys are bearing FA just as you’re ready to win. That negatively impacts your ability to sign FAs.
The Cubs were able to sign Lester, and weather two wasted (expensive) years from Heyward because they weren’t (and still aren’t) paying 7-8 of their top performers. Had they targeted ML ready talent in 2012-14, then they’d already be paying those guys…
That’s all fine and dandy, but it’s also leaving out a gigantic part of the equation – the Cubs were able to make those signings and survive two wasted years of Heyward because they are a gigantic market team.
Even with 7-8 top players making barely anything, most teams still can’t afford those 2 contracts while trying to put together a roster. Even if someone like the Brewers managed to hand out one of those contracts, they wouldn’t be able to survive if it failed as horribly as Heyward’s contract through the first 2 years.
Just for reference, the total of those 2 contracts was roughly $5M less than the entire Brewers team in 2016… And the Cubs also had $50M ties up between Lackey, Montero, Zobrist, and Arrieta – another thing a small market team wouldn’t be able to do.
Orioles screwed the pooch by not trading him last deadline or during the offseason. Good job Angelos. you senile old fart.
I know this is near impossible reporting, but it would be awesome to somehow know who the braves offered. Just as a fan, I would like to know more exactly where my team is and what they are willing to give. Totally get that it’s hard to get that info.
are the twins interested in machado at all
That would make zero sense. They are basically out of it in the wild card, and nearly 10 back from Cleveland in the division. Adding a rental player would just hurt their chances of winning in the coming years.
I would feel fine with giving Baltimore Broxton, Santana and Ortiz in a New York minute for Machado but maybe we just stay pat on this deal
as a long time Phillies fan I would much rather see the Phils wait until the off season to go after Machado. The bottom line in all of this is money talks. The Phils can throw a boatload at him when the time comes and still hold on to the prospects they have.
brett phillips for Manny machado
Travis Shaw for Gabriel Ynoa…. if we’re proposing nonsense.
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Watch what? A Phillips/Machado straight up trade will NEVER happen.
Stop. You give Brewers fans a bad name with that stupid proposal.
Ruiz and Mejia are obviously tremendous talents and we need all the talent we can get but have the Orioles already soured on Sisco? I don’t understand that. Defensively he’s been solid. Have to give him sometime for the bat to come around, hitting has really never been the issue.
Some think he isn’t going to catch long term. Plus at the point of their franchise, they just need to take the best players they can get
He’s been good defensively. I don’t think that’s an issue. He’s not worth much of anything if he’s not behind the plate. Not the kind of thing you give up on year 1. Hitting has always been his strength. The solid defense should be encouraging.
If Baltimore gets any of those catchers if I’m the Brewers I would offer Broxton for Sisco then. I still wonder if Matt Duffy is going to start get people wanting him instead of Machado or even Andrus from Texas.
I would like Matt Duffy in Cleveland.
Broxton isn’t worth chance sisco. The guy is a fourth outfielder.
imo manny would probably ice the nl central but if they can get someone not as good and go for a SP that would be ideal in october
Manny Machado Rumors (Monday)
-Machado seen drinking a Miller Light at a Baltimore pub. Milwaukee now the clear favorites.
Manny Machado Rumors (Tuesday)
-Machado arrived at the ballpark wearing a blue tie. Dodgers new front-runners.
Manny Machado Rumors (Wednesday)
-Machado liked an Anime related post on Instagram. Japan now a dark horse to acquire the Orioles SS.
He ate an apple – headed for NY.
I think it will be Machado & Britton to the Dodgers for May, Forsythe & Grandal. Yaz is in his walk year so they might let him go
And what benefit is that to either team? A playoff team dumps their catcher who is on a one year deal to a complete non-contender. See any problems? Orioles could get a better prospect than May without taking on money.
The problem here is including Grandal. He is the Dodgers’ starting catcher and with Barnes struggling at the plate it makes no sense for them to deal Grandal, not so long as they remain in the hunt. For Machado + Britton the Dodgers would have to give up at least one top-50 prospect and one or two lower in the system. Forsythe could well become a throw-in and if he does adding that third prospect becomes likely.
Im sure the Dodgers know how much money they want to clear and which prospects + players they are willing to give up for Machado.
They will also want to clear money to add a reliever to have more flexibility after acquiring Machado +……….if this trade goes through, look for it to be a rather creative one financially and prospect/player wise.
Who knows if they will want one of the top SP’s like Degrom, Snyndegaard after acquiring Machado? Both are aces and cost controlled…….very appealing to acquire for any club really but bodes well for staying in line with Dodgers philosophy. I would be comfortable losing Verdugo, Ruiz plus for either of these two aces……surely to be a huge bidding War. Will be interesting to watch.
Mets should trade both aces to start a complete rebuild……they would surely raid two top farm systems with great prospects coming back.
Not really seeing the prospects in the Dodgers system to acquire all of the pieces you suggest.
The Dodgers not only have the prospects to get DeGrom, Syndegaard or Fullmer but they also have MLB ready players or MLB Players to trade if need be………….DEPTH up and down from the minor leagues to the big league club. Dodgers could get whoever they want. Cost would be high.
While I see the Yankees and BoSox are dominating the first half of the season, it will be interesting to see how they will deal with second half injuries with thier ultimate lack of depth……..for the Yanks, could see Sheffield getting called up and they have Frazier……..they need depth at SP and a 1B
The ante on DeGrom or Sndergaard would huge, a real farm-draining event, especially since the Mets can’t be very motivated sellers. Sure they need to rebuild but trading away either of their controllable aces says they aren’t expecting to be competitive for three years or more. Is their situation really that bad?
“……….if this trade goes through, look for it to be a rather creative one financially and prospect/player wise.” I think that will be true of any trade the Dodgers make this year given their desire to stay under the cap.
In the past 4 years I have opposed trading our very top prospects (Seager, Bellinger, Urias). Ruiz would be difficult to give up; but, the catcher depth in the Dodger system would allow them to deal Keilbert. This year, I see it a little different in the case of the two Met starters. First, they are controlled for multiple years. Second, the top prospects you mention are not at the level of the three I mentioned above. Third, there are significantly fewer buyers. Teams like the Mets still need to rebuild and they may well feel compelled to make a deal.
Good analysis though Mahatma….I think you may be on to something.!
I might have missed it but I feel like I’m the only one that sees the fact it is being reported that the Dodgers are the front runners and a deal hasn’t happened yet means the O’s are leaking all of this info in hopes of driving up the price and they aren’t really satisfied with the Dodgers current offer. The Dodgers have typically played things so close to the vest in the past when making trades.
I hope the Brewers get him. Best of luck to Milwaukee.
Happy to see the Phillies omitted from this discussion. Mr. Machado is a rental. There is no way he doesn’t immerse himself in the refreshing waters of free agency.
I’m now willing to bet an American dollar that Machado will not be traded by the end of last weekend…
In the grand scheme of things. Manny to Milwaukee isn’t bad. Arcia hasn’t proven he can hit at all and if u package him and say Domingo with 1 of the pitching prospects that’s not giving up a lot considering Milwaukee only has 1-2 good post season runs every what 10 years. Go try to win a playoff series when it looks like u have a chance to play in October.
Agreed completely
Dodgers are out. They won’t trade anyone but they want to aquire Machado. The dodgers just moved down the list I think and brewers are at top. I hope the cardinals make an offer to because they could make a great offer
Degrom, syndaguard and machado. If at least one of them is not in a brewers uniform this time next month, this will be the first real blemish on stearns stellar record(besides scooter Gennett). We could win the World Series this season! Not 2022. This season! We could do it without any moves but it’s silly not to give them the boost. Degrom and machado and we are going to the World Series. Without them we win a wild card birth and have to fight that much harder
Mets have already stated not long ago that DeGrom and Syndergaard won’t be traded this year due to the fact that they have many more years of team control
lol even all 3 of them won’t make the brewers a ws contender..The top 3 in the AL are way to potent and over match every NL team and that’s coming from a cubs fan, and cubs offense is way more explosive then the hr or bust brewers. Focus on pitching to make the playoffs. Machado won’t do anything for the brewers
Focus on pitching, yet adding DeGrom AND Thor wouldn’t make the team with the best record in the NL a world series contender… Thats laughable.
are the twins interested in fulmer or degrom or garcia of the white sox or abreu of the white sox
does any one think that the twins will trade dozier and/or escobar and kepler or any of its minor league arms who haven’t had the chance in the majors yet to another team or teams
Id like to see manny on brewers if not the dodgers. Looks like a good fit.
i would trade kepler to rays for archer and dozier and two minor leaguers to whitesox for abreu and l garcia and fulmer
Of course you would. But, the question is what else would you be including? My guess is the Twins will be sellers unless they can cut into the Tribe’s lead before the deadline.
As a Cubs fan, I’d be ok with the Brewers giving up top young talent for Machado. Anything short of a World Series title would mean the deal was a bust for the Brewers, especially since they can’t afford to re-sign Manny.
I think just making the WS for the first time in 35 years would be a pretty big success for one of the smallest market teams in the MLB.
I don’t see Stearns gutting the farm for a Manny rental. He’s been trying to build it up for an extended contention window, not go all in right away. From what I’ve been reading, it’d take a ridiculously steep price for the O’s to give him up, and imo it’s just not worth it, especially if it’s near mlb ready pitching they covet. I’d rather hold onto those guys and see what they can do in the next couple years..as Brewers.
And if it will only take 1 more solid prospect to get deGrom, then do that. At least he’s under control for 2 more years.
As for Broxton and/or Santana being part of a deal..neither are headliners. Although at this point I see Broxton having more value with his glove, speed and attitude. Santana just looks like he doesn’t care.
I actually respect how Stearns and the rest of the decision-makers have put the Brewers together. Obviously, I hope they struggle in the second half because I’m a Cubs fan, but I don’t see them going anywhere. They’re a very good team. Machado would make them that much better, but it would be the epitome of an all or nothing trade.
I have read that Manny’s defense at SS is worse than his defense at 3B(?) Something about his arm being great but his range/ability to get to balls is below average (?) It seems like like any real reason to get him would be primarily for his bat rather than what appears to be average glovework.
Any team that gets him has to live with what may be a double whammy – trading big prospects and signing him to a healthy contract after the season, if they choose to keep him. And would it be fair to say that Manny would probably sign AFTER Harper signs his FA contract as a sign of, “Hey, I had a better season than him and deserve more money and/or years”?
Let’s say the Dodgers trade for Machado. Kike Hernandez is already a better fielder at SS than Manny but obviously not as potent of a bat. The same could be said about Chris Taylor. It would seem like a waste for LA to trade away their top prospects and NOT sign Manny next year. THeir could be an infield of Turner (3B), Manny (SS), Muncy (2B) and Bellinger (1B) with Corey Seager playing more outfield and a rotation of Bellinger, Taylor and Seager rotating between INF/OF at spell each other on days off.
It just sounds all so expensive especially if Clayton Kershaw opts out. Then, he’s signed to a larger contract and they have Manny and CK tied to $200+ Million contracts each!
It’s not my money (although it kind of is if I spend money at base ball games. It’s all of our money depending on which team we pay to watch).
Stopped reading when he said put Corey Seager in the outfield……..smh
You got that far? 🙂
Thanks for the negative mentality. I was hoping for helpful dialogue.
I wish people didn’t choose to be condescending and instead choose to have a dialogue with what they disagree.
If Manny’s at SS, Turners at 3B, then one needs to fill out 1B, 2b with a rotation in the OF using Seager, Bellinger, Muncy and Taylor. Muncy, up to this point, hasn’t shown he can play OF nor does he seem to display the athleticism. It looks like he is primarily rotating between 1b and 2B, with the occasional spell of Turner at 3rd. There doesn’t appear to be a scenario where Seager is ONLY an infielder if Manny is signed.
It would be nice to hear an opinion that isn’t dismissive, but then again this is the internet. People are free to be as brave and crass as they choose.
I have gone over the Machado scenario before the year began and he was available……this was before Seager went out for the year……in any sense too many moving parts to make it work for Machado. Seager got hurt, so he is viable now as a rental only.
BUT……people also complained that they didnt’ want Bellinger moved to the OF and he seems to be a fixture now due to the immergence of Muncy when Turner went down…….signing Machado in the offseason is a totally different thread. For now, he fits in perfectly as SS as a rental
Sorry but if you’ve going to talk about an all-star shortstop playing the outfield then maybe you shouldn’t be surprised when you get a face-palm or two. I mean, if you are going to make a proposal of that kind without any explanation or justification then what do you expect?
Also as has been pointed out many times in this discussion, where Machado finishes up the season has no bearing on where he signs next year. The Dodgers are highly unlikely to pursue him in free agency. They are only interested now because of the injury to Seager, who will be back next year, playing shortstop.
Turner plays 2B Machado plays 3rd and Seager is your SS. Muncy plays 1B. Bellinger and Taylor play the outfield. Probably bumping the head case Puig to a different team. I’m not recommending this, but this is a much easier scenario then the hodgepodge you had up there where everyone is rotating slots on a nightly basis.
My “hodgepodge” was necessary because Machado has openly said he wants to play his “natural position.” He doesn’t want to go into free agency as a 3rd baseman. Also, the front office and DR were reluctant for Turner to play 2B because of the stress on his surgically repaired knee. I thought about moving Puig to another team but he needs a lot of coddling, a lot of intention. I doubt many organizations are equipped to handle him.
I thought the rotation would work because that seems to be what the front office likes – versatility.
At -20 DRS through half a season there’s probably quite a few teams that are thinking Machado will be a 3B. Hard to say how hard of a stance Machado will have on being a SS. IMO a good bit of his decision to make that switch was to enhance his earning power. Anyway, flexibility is good but even the cubs have the regulars playing there regular slots most of the time. They aren’t taking their gold Glovers out of the infield. They have happ’s, and zobrists who play all over but they aren’t sliding Baez and Russell to left field.
He lost me at, “I have read….”
Because ‘m not supposed to admit I’ve read that information?
Why are the Brewers going after a -20DRS shortstop? Machado defense is horrendous at shortstop and they already have an option in Shaw at 3B.
The only way I see this making sense for the Brewers is if they are trading expendable pieces that may never see time significant with them. If the Brewers could acquire Machado for Santana, Phillips and another piece, I think they’ll go for it, however if the Brewers are going to put together a package bigger than that, I’d tell them to take that offer to the Mets and see what else it’s going to take to get DeGrom, and even though it’ll take a lot more, the Brewers need a dominant starter.
Manny Machado for Arcia, Broxton, Woodruff and Ortiz
Too much for a rental, even Machado.
Take out Arcia and I could see that happening.
Jerry Crasnick thinks OF Brett Phillips is the lead prospect that goes from the Brewers to the O’s?! Why w0uld the O’s want a 24 year old .241 hitter in AAA? Makes no sense for a rebuild.
Dodgers with P May sounds like a way better deal for the O’s, they want pitching and May would be a good starting point. May is only 20 years old too.
Doesn’t say he’s the lead prospect. Said he’s “one who could go in a Machado package” I don’t think he’s going to be the best prospect handed over… at all.
One of the pieces does not mean the best piece. Also the fact you’re tying value into age and batting average is concerning lol
Age does matter for a rebuild and if he cant hit AAA pitching then BA does matter……ok here…….331 OBP; .392 SLG; .723 OPS still sucks…..FOR A 24 year old with 4 HR’s in 68 games and he’s supposed to be a 3B or corner outfielder?
Dodgers have OF DJ Peters and his numbers are better…..and HE IS YOUNGER.
Can easily see how the Dodgers farm is far more superior to the Brew Crews farm
You’re argument is a guy in AA is hitting better than a guy in AAA over 70 games so there for he’s better? Oh wait he’s younger so he has to be better. My bad. Phillips has arguably one of the best arms in all of baseball and is above average with the glove as well. Is the Dodgers farm better? Yes. But to compare 24 years of age to 22 and a portion of one season as the end all be all is absurd. Clearly you don’t understand that both players when they get to the big league club will have roughly the same amount of years under control.
If Phillips has one of the best arms, then Peters has natural power that you want from an OF…….the point is yes they will have same amount of years of control when they come up, but the O’s are rebuilding.
They need players that will be developing in the lower levels and are young. Rebuilds tend to take 3-5 years.. Just because Phillips is blocked for the Brewers doesn’t mean that a rebuilding club like the O’s will want him…….he’s fodder in my mind. He hasnt’ hit in AAA and he hasn’t hit at all with the big club……4th OFer at best.
The O’s need high upsided young talent, not someones 4th OF’er or fodder thats blocked on their own team. Andrew Toles or even Kyle Farmer would be a better option for the O’s than Phillips.
Plus the O’s need pitching
The Brewers would be silly to give up Corbin Burnes in a deal for Machado……
RHP Dustin May is #10 prospect in Dodgers system, is young and is thriving in lower levels……thats why the O’s want him and seems like an ideal trade. No way we give up Verdugo or Keibert Ruiz for 3 months of Machado……..everything will start with May and lower level prospects.
Brewers should save some bullets for another ace……even then, the Yanks, Phillies, Braves, Dodgers, Indians, Astros ect and other teams will have better offers than the Brewers can give prospect wise. No way in hell the Brewers even compete in the DeGrom, Syndegaard or Fullmer sweepstakes when they are available
Your argument makes no sense. Since the O’s need arms they want to start with a kid who’s #10 in a teams system because he is “pitching well” in A+ Ball? Lol. If you are basing everything off of minor league numbers (which you seem to be) than the O’s will FOR SURE want Marcos Diplan. I mean he’s 21 and pitching well in A+ ball and has time to develop. That’s what you’re arguing right? The orioles prefer guys who need 3-4 years of minor league ball still as opposed to Ortiz for example from the brewers farm?
Again, Dodgers system is far superior to the Brewers system……..hence why you hear ORIOLES are very interested in May. We just had Dennis Santana and still have Caleb Ferguson already having made their debuts…..oh and remember that guy Julio Urias?.
Brewer prospects arent comparable to Dodger prospects……Your #1 prospect is the only one. Here, maybe you will understand this, the Dodgers will be good and competitive every year because of thier current core in mlb and prospects in the minors.. Dodgers have money……Brewers dont……Brewers s;hould keep their prospects
He would most likely be the second piece with one of Burnes/Woodruff/Ortiz being the top piece.
Dustin May is not headlining a trade for Manny Machado. He likely would not even headline a trade for Scooter Gennett.
The Brewers will most likely put together a package that includes Philips, Woodruff, and Ray. Philips and Ray are going to have a real tough time to see action at the major league level with the current roster. And Woodruff seems to have been jumped by Freddy Peralta.
Phillips and Ray are going to have a real tough time seeing major league action with any franchise.
the mets should sell degrom and/or noah but they do not have anyone
authorized to do so at this time with the three stooges taking orders
from the madoffs
Trading for Machado alone doesn’t even move the needle in terms of World Series title probability for the crew. Stearns has done an excellent job of building up the MLB club and the prospects on the farm. If the crew is to move some of their TOP prospects eventually, I believe Stearns will seek out deals w/ much better ROI for years…not months. IMO, unless the cost is JD Martinez-esque, Stearns will keep his powder dry and pass on Machado the SS.
I don’t want the brewers to trade for Machado but you have to trust Stearns. Every single trade he has made in Milwaukee has turned up roses. Thornburg for Shaw? Not close. Gomez/Fiers for Hader/Santana and Phillips is laughable and Lucroy turned into Ortiz/Brinson. Then Brinson turned into Yelich.
I think Melvin made the Gomez trade, but your point is well taken.
I remember the Gomez trade very clearly. Melvin pulled the strings on that one. Stearns was the assistant Gm in Houston when they decided to make that crap trade. Stearns has had some nice acquisitions but I get the feeling he has too much faith in a garbage rotation that is over performing. Degrom, imo, is the route to go. Not that it really matters anyways, Cubs will win the nl central regardless.
“IF” Dodgers get Machado they need to have Kiki play 2b. I’ve watched Taylor this weekend and hi defense is good however his throwing to 1b is absolutely terrible. How many times Bellinger & Muncy had to jump for the ball. Kiki has got a gun for an arm.
Arcia,Santana,Woodruff,Phillips and Ortiz for Dylan Bundy and Manny Machado
No way stearns would trade Arica in that trade.
One of these years, the Dodgers eventually need to give up some prospects of note to make that final move that puts them over the hump. Acquiring Manny Machado should be that move. If it costs Alex Verdugo, then it costs Alex Verdugo.
They did get Darvish last year.
Yes, but don’t you think a Machado rental is going to cost more than the Willie Calhoun/two depth pieces package that landed Darvish?