Over the past few seasons, there’s been occasional talk of a potential long-term deal between the Mets and ace Jacob deGrom, though clearly nothing between the two sides has ever come together. With that in mind, deGrom’s agent, Brodie Van Wagenen of CAA Baseball, offered a candid take on his client’s future to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic today (Twitter links).
“We have discussed Jacob’s future with the Mets at length,” said Van Wagenen. “Jacob has expressed interest in exploring a long-term partnership that would keep him in a Mets uniform for years to come. If the Mets don’t share same interest, we believe their best course of action is to seriously consider trade opportunities now. The inertia of [the] current situation could complicate Jacob’s relationship with the club and creates an atmosphere of indecision.”
Van Wagenen adds in a followup to Joel Sherman of the New York Post that his statement is “not a demand for a trade” and is in fact more an expression on his client’s behalf that he’d like to remain with the organization for the long term (Twitter link). Nonetheless, the public nature of those comments only puts further pressure on the current iteration of the Mets’ front office to act in a more decisive manner. And it only furthers the already strong likelihood that if deGrom is not traded in the next couple of weeks that he’ll be a prominent trade target for teams in the 2018-19 offseason — adding another layer of complexity to a winter that will feature one of the more impressive free-agent classes in recent memory.
However, while Van Wagenen’s comments are fairly straightforward and aggressive in tone, deGrom himself unsurprisingly struck a softer tone at today’s All-Star festivities (Twitter links via Anthony DiComo of MLB.com). Asked about Van Wagenen’s statements, deGrom replied:
“We’ve been open to discussing long-term deals with the Mets. There’s been no numbers discussed, and I’ve enjoyed my time here. … I would love it to be here with the Mets. We’ll just have to see what happens. … I would love to play here for my whole career. I think it’s just kind of deciding what we see as the future. It’s something that’s in the Mets’ control, and kind of out of mine.”
It’s certainly telling to hear deGrom himself flatly state that the two sides have never even progressed to the point where they’ve talked about even loose parameters of a contract. Certainly, it’s not likely that the Mets and deGrom will hammer out what would assuredly be a nine-figure extension in the next couple of weeks. Such negotiations would be complex, and the Mets’ front-office trio of John Ricco, J.P. Ricciardi and Omar Minaya will be dedicating a considerable amount of time and energy to trading other players even if the plan is to eventually talk long-term deal with deGrom.
It should be noted, of course, that these types of comments from agents don’t always serve as a catalyst to facilitate a deal. While Christian Yelich was moved this offseason not long after agent Joe Longo made comments similar in tone to those of Van Wagenen today, that wasn’t the case for J.T. Realmuto. In fact, Realmuto is also repped by CAA, and agent Jeff Berry told the Miami Herald back in February that Realmuto preferred to be moved. Realmuto, of course, is still in Miami and enjoying the best season of his career.
The 30-year-old deGrom is under club control, via the arbitration process, through 2020. He’s already earning $7.4MM, and with one of the strongest arb cases in quite some time taking shape, he could find his salary to be pushing $20MM by the end of those remaining arbitration years. It stands to reason that any extension talks would have to be of at least five years in length, though presumably deGrom’s camp would push for a lengthier pact, given the six- and even seven-year deals landed by some of the game’s top pitchers in recent seasons. Locking up deGrom could quite likely push the Mets into a new franchise-record contract; David Wright currently holds that distinction at $138MM (over an eight-year term).
I think Yankees would Empty the farm for deGrom. It’s a no-brainer. I think Mets’ are delusional if they think they can compete another year. (See a repeat of 2017 and 2018 could be my Mets’ recency bias.)
Keep holding on to him, you risk devaluing. You can get MLB-ready talent plus prospects. “King’s ransom”
Who would the Yankees have to give up?
Forget the they have to overpay because the Yankees and Mets.
I’m thinking it has to be centered around Andujar?
100% would have to be centered around Andujar + Yankees’ top prospects. (Not Torres)
This post will probably get 10 down-votes like most trade suggestions but… Would Andujar, Sheffield, Abreu and Florial be enough for deGrom?
Go easy on me!! deGrom is a bonafide Ace, but he wouldn’t net you 6+ years of Torres.
ok say you trade Andujar for deGrom are you then trading for Machado?
Lol, I’m not here to down vote you as I’m curious myself what a good trade would be.
I would think it would have to be close to that.
And I do agree Torres would not be included or even though about by the Yankees.
I would allow Drury to assume the 3B position full time, to see what Cash saw in him, see what he can do.. or trade for Moose (best 3B trade-option, plus LOVE his swing at Yankee Stadium) Moose won’t cost top prospects, just good ones. I think he’s the most reasonable, and feasible 3B trade option, should Andujar flipped for an Ace pitcher so hard to come by.
I would say you almost have to since you are basically going all in with a DeGrom trade.
Would the pieces still be there to get Machado though after a DeGrom trade?
I’m downvoting you because you sound like a school girl by actually caring about downvotes.
murphy, I still haven’t seen you say one nice thing to people here.
And i still don’t see why you care about downvotes?
That sounds pretty close
I’m of the opinion that you don’t trade these guys until potentially the last year of control. Trade them in the final year if you are out of contention. Hold onto them and just get the extra draft pick next year if you are contending. As long as you have strong pitching, there is always that chance that you could possibly contend if things go right.
I think it’s more than enough for 2.5 years of Degrom imo. I’d say that the package the white Sox got for 3.5 years of Quintana is a good comparison. I feel like andujar, Sheffield and abreu should be get it done
Quintana is not close to being on the same level as degrom, therefore that package used to get him isn’t a good comparison.
I know he isn’t on the same level, but Quintana had an additional year of control, so that would make the price tags pretty similar: 2.5 of degrom vs 3.5 of Quintana .
I would do Degrom for the prospects listed above (Andujar, Sheffield, Abreu and Florial), providing the Yankees also agree to take on Jay Bruce and all of his remaining contract
Wouldn’t want to trade for Moose if a trade is made for deGrom. It would really deplete the farm. Not saying Moose would cost a lot in prospects but deGrom would cost so much I’d hate to lose any more.
With the amount of top teams in contention in relation to farm system rankings and top prospects, there will most certainly be a bidding war for DeGrom. that may be unprecedented. Yankees, Brewers, Dodgers, Astros, Indians, Phillies, Braves…….
All of these teams have the best prospects in baseball right now, just the sheer number of teams bidding on him with the # of quality prospects involved seems like a no brainer for the Mets? They will get a kings ransom for DeGrom RIGHT NOW…..his value, plus the perfect storm of teams that would want him can give the Mets a young core of players in just one trade. This makes sense for the Mets financially and for all the prospects + yrs of service they will be acquiring.
I think Andujar, Sheffield, Abreu and Florial sounds about right for what the Yankees would have to give up……..for all the Yankee fans that think that they wont have to overpay with the Mets is just delusional…….it is going to hurt to see DeGrom playing in the Bronx for Mets ownership and fans., they will be taxed no doubt if they want DeGrom.
Dodgers would have to give up some serious prospects from this group Verdugo, Diaz, White, Ruiz, Peters, May, Lux, Ferguson, Santana…..ouch!!
Yanks=Severino, DeGrom, Tanaka, Gray, CC…….geez but will be taxed shippin him from Queens to Bronx
Brew Crew-solid
Dodgers pair DeGrom with Kershaw….solid
Astros Verlander, Keuchel, DeGrom…..geez
Indians with Kluber, Bauer, DeGrom—-geez
Phillies-Arrieta, Nola & DeGrom—-geez but will get taxed being in same division
Braves-solid but will get taxed being in same division
Pitching in the playoffs can shut down a great offense and give you a chance. Look how the Mets got the World Series a few years ago with DeGrom, Syndegaard, Matz, Harvey and an unbelievably clutch hitting display by Daniel Murphy, I can see the same thing happening with a young Phillies, Braves & Brewer team if they get DeGrom.
And Frazier
Tell you what. DeGrom got judge even up.
Degrom should command between what sale netted and quintana. His track record overall is not as impressive as sale, is in the nl and degrom has less team control and is not a lefty. So using something near but not as good as sale as a starting point…. Sale netted a top five and top 35 prospect at the time.
That indicates to me a degrom package should be centered around Andujar and Sheffield. Andujar is already mlb proven to a degree and Sheffield is a top 40 prospect so that covers the “Yankees need to pay more” crowd. Add in a strong third piece (not Torres, not florial) and I think it’s more than fair. Sheffield, Andujar and Frazier would get the deal done immediately by any half competent FO. Even Sheffield Andujar and say, McKinney and Adams likely gets it done.
Mets get two immediate additions to their lineup and a starter to replace degrom, Yankees hang on to their best positional prospect and Torres and plug Drury into 3b. Next winter they sign Machado and move him over to 3b and call it a day.
Your not getting DeGrom for andujar,Sheffield and c.frazier
DeGrom and T.frazier to yanks for Andujar,C.Frazier,Sheffield,Adams and Betances
Syndergaard and Cespedes ( plus some cash) to Dodgers for Verdugo,Buehler & Muncy
Blevins and Cabrera to Cleveland for Mejia
Bruce when he returns to Colorado for Shaw
Trade familia and Bautista to Houston for Mchugh
5 trades changes this whole team around it might not be a championship team yet but a very young and hungry players to win.
C) Mejia, 1b) Muncy, 2b) McNeil, ss) Rosario, 3b) Andujar
Lf) frazier Cf) Verdugo Rf) Conforto. Than alternate Nimmo
Rotation: Wheeler,Matz,Mchugh,Buehler and Sheffield
Bullpen: Betances,Shaw,Lugo,Gsellman,Swarzak and Vargas than sign a couple others.
A couple things Blevins and Cabrera are not netting Mejia. The Dodgers are not trading Buehler. Familia and McHugh no. So many of these trades are not really realistic.
Yanks aren’t getting DeGrom without Florial, Andujar & Sheffield at the minimum
Wins are a horrible metric to judge a pitcher.
I hate when fans “trade the whole team” and think it’s realistic. This isn’t a PS4 game. You can’t override the trade options lol.
For 2 years of Degrom the deal would be built around Sheffield…..which is why the deal will never go down. I don’t know why Yankees fans think Andujar has such great trade value. He’s a 3B with decent pop, bad D, and doesn’t walk much.
If I had to bet, I’d say the Yanks have zero shot. Realistically though, they have the assets to make it happen.
Idk, I agree yanks would be wise too, but most fans would never give a fair trade option for him. I think it starts with a guy like Andujar, Sheffield, then maybe a mid range prospect pitching prospect, and a Tyler wade. I think the yanks would have arguably best 2 SP punch for playoffs. The package above is still light, but I think that starts the conversation. DeGrom is way better than Quintana, who had 3.5 years as opposed to 2.5 years for DeGrom and that netted cubs top 2 prospects plus other pieces. Gotta think similarly for Yankees to deal for DeGrom.
Is there any way to block specific users like xabial so I dont have to keep reading their comments?
This troll seems to have taken over this board recently. Always posts dumb comments to stir the $hit and get people agitated. Really ruining this site.
How am I “ruining this site” if most of these are quality responses? (Thank you everyone!
Almost 100 responses. You’re the only one agitated.
Literally, almost all the responses to my post were helpful + insightful. Seriously, thank you everyone.
If you have nothing substantial to add, walk away zip
Zilp8… this is the single biggest “little b*tch” comment I’ve ever read, anywhere.
“I don’t like what he has to say so I’m gonna cry”
Are you the same guy who called the cops because he got a screen set on him in a pickup basketball game? Because you sound like that type of dude.
the mets aren’t gonna trade degrom to the yankees unless torres is involved
Yuck. Of course, the Yucks will chase any shiny object.
The Mets should change their name to Ricco’s Roughnecks.
deGrom is in a really rough place, stuck with one of the worst run organizations in sports and trying not to come across like a whiny baby. Who in his place wouldn’t look across town at the Yankees and not want to be traded there. If not the Yanks then a team where he has a chance to win a ring in the next few seasons. He’s one of hand full of true aces MLB and it’s a damn shame he’s stuck with the Mets.
Post of the day!
Jacob de Grom is a perfect fit for Milwaukee.
DeGrom fits pretty much anywhere. Sucks for him to be a part of the dump known as the Mets organization
The Brewers definitely need an ace, but if they did get Degrom their entire future would go to the Mets. Hiura, Burnes, Ortiz, Phillips, etc..unless they were absolutely positive this is their year I don’t think the Crew will offer up what it takes to get Jacob. I mean they just got swept by the Pirates of all teams in a 5 game series. The Brewers are a nice little team but aren’t THAT good to sell off their future for an ace. In my opinion of course
Why not go for him if you’re the Brewers. They completely half stepped last winter. Traded a ton to get Yelich and over paid an aging Cain, both for the outfield even though they already had Thames, Braun, Santana, Broxton and Phillips for the OF. Can’t play Thames at 1st since that’s literally the only position Aguilar can play in the NL. BUT, they essentially have automatic outs at SS and 2B and they never addressed SP, they need at least one legit ace to seriously compete.
You’re either all in or you’re rebuilding, the worst place to be in pro sports is in the middle. I thought for sure the Cain and Yelich moves meant they were going for it… then nothing.
Few teams go worst to first. Nothing wrong with the middle if it’s a stepping stone. To intentionally tank is to alienate ones fan base. Not every rebuild is a success.
They’ll be as good, if not better, the next 2-4 years. No need to rush. And Cain’s age isn’t an issue yet; he’s on pace to set personal records in both stolen bases and defensive War for a season. Neither is Villar an automatic out. These days a .260 hitter with speed & defense is a rarity.
Brewers just got Cain & Yelich……their time is now and DeGrom is a perfect fit.
Hey Mets google: “John Tavares New York Islanders extension” and let me know if you want to keep going down this path
as a mets and islanders fan, this felt like getting stabbed in the heart twice
I don’t think there’s much question they should move deGrom (and Thor for that matter). Looking at the “curve” the Phils and Braves are on, and the still-young core of the Nats, it doesn’t look like Mr. Met will be dancing in the playoffs anytime soon.
Let’s face it; if either of those guys was on the White Sox or the Rays or the O’s, no one would debate the issue. As Ron Darling himself said on MLB. the reality is their best player the past month has been Joey Bats…….now that’s some way to build for the future!
To me the only question is whether to move them now or in the winter.
Why would any Met fan want this front office to trade anyone? They’ve compiled a bad farm system which leads me to believe they are poor in their talent evaluations. They don’t have a GM. The men in the front office now may not be with the team next year. How can any Met fan want or condone any trade by this front office that involves a controllable asset like degrom or syndegard and even Matz or Wheeler for that matter? Personally, I’d look to sign Degrom to an extenstion. He’s still controllable for 2 1/2 years. If an extension can’t be worked out. Then once a GM is in place pursue a trade. Yes it’s possible his value drops. I’d still want someone who is definitively invested in this team to make that decision. Just sayin’
They could come here for advice
@bobtillman
Face it, if either DeGrom or Thor was on the Yankees, Seattle, Milwaukee or Angels, they would be untouchable. If Mike Trout was on the O’s, he would likely be trade bait. None of which means anything, because Thor and DeGrom are on the Mets, and they have an elite rotation with them. The team was hurt by injuries. Give me health and a starting rotation, I’ll take my chances.
Reds should trade Senzel for DeGrom.
And who else?!!
Why would the reds trade their best prospect who is out the rest of the season and probably part of next year when they still have another year or two left of their rebuild?
You are dreaming, man. What makes you possibly think that an oft injured, unproven prospect could be anything more than one piece in a trade for arguably the best starter in the NL??
The Reds? Why would a non contender trade for DeGrom?
For the same reason the Rangers traded for Cole Hamels. You never know. Everyone questioned the Rangers for trading for Hamels when they were “out of it,” then they got very hot and ended up making the playoffs. With the Reds offense, getting a starter like deGrom could send them on a major 2nd half run. And even if it didn’t, getting deGrom would make them a serious 2019 contender.
This is example of the larger problem that continues to plague the Franchise, which is a lack of long term planning.
Here is a fun one: Syndergaard and DeGrom to Yankees for Andujar, Torres, Sheffield, Abreu and Frazier. Who hangs up first?
Both teams. That’s too much risk for both teams.
I think the Yankees would do that or at least think about it very hard. Barring an injury adding both Noah and Jacob would easily make the Yanks the favorites to win it all and would address there biggest need with two controllable studs. My guess it make them the favorites, barring injury for the forsaeable future. I don’t think the Mets do that trade because they couldn’t bear to watch the Yankees win the next three World Series with there guys leading the cross town rivals.
Yankees would never do that deal. They need two of DeGrom and at least one of Miguel Andujar and Gleyber Torres.
I’ll say this: the Yankee should at least CONSIDER doing Torres for DeGrom straight up.
You don’t think they would do that deal DeGrom and Thor for Torres, Andujar, Sheffield, Abreu, and Frazier? I think they would really consider that. This trade would instantly make the Yankees favorites to win it all the next three years a big three of DeGrom, Severino, and Noah that would be crazy and by far the best starting three. It might make the Yankees a little weaker in the field but more then made up on the mound. I don’t think the Mets would do that trade even though it would jumpstart a rebuild because they couldn’t stand to watch the Yankees win three World Series in a row.
They would absolutely do that deal. Those 2 plus Severino all at very affordable salaries for at least 2 more years. Go sign Machado with the savings and put him at 3B. They’d be set.
No way that the Yankees would trade Torres. In fact, if I’m Brian Cashman, do I trade Gleyber Torres alone for both de Grom and Thor? I sure wouldn’t. A five tool superstar in the making, Torres has been one of the keys in enabling New York to remain close to Boston in AL East standings all season. You’d be robbing from Peter to pay Paul, as the saying goes. If both or one those pitchers had the same 6 years of salary control that Torres has…well, then, maybe I’d think about it. But both will be free agents in a few short years. Trade Torres and you are left with a lot of strikeout prone hitters in that lineup (even Didi Gregorius, as great as he is, has a very low on base percentage historically and to the present. Torres is too valuable to that lineup (in fact, I don’t know that there is any one single player I would give Torres up for).
I really like Torres but this is how that conversation would go. Mets brass “We really like that Torres guy we like him so much we will give DeGrom and Thor for him”. Cashman responds one second I have to make a call “ Hi Gleyber you have been traded to the Mets if it’s any consolation your sacrifice will cause your current teammates to probably win the next three World Series anyway good luck Gleyber”. That sounds about right of course Cashman would trade Gleyber anyone is available for the right overpay and that would be one.
If you wouldn’t trade any 1 prospect for two of the top 30 starting pitchers in the game you should probably find another sport to watch.
Mets could get more than that if they traded DeGrom & Syndegaard seperately
MLB The Show…..it would say no bc that trade is ridiculous. The Mets could get way more trading them separately. I like some of the top prospects on the Brewers….
What “complicates relationships” are agents that stir things up with quotes like that, that only aggravate situations like this.
“agents that stir things up with quotes like that” an Agent doesn’t make any move without clearing it with the player. So to solely blame the agent is unfounded.
It’s more accurate to say an agent shouldn’t make moves without consulting the client. The client can’t stop what has been done after the fact, though he can certainly prevent it from happening again.
If an agent made a move without consulting the client the said agent would be subject to having their license revoked.
The Mets will never be good
What does everyone think a contract extension for deGrom would look like? I know he’s one of the best right now but he will be 32 at the end of arbitration period
Knowing the Mets they’ll offer him 4 yrs/60M.
Give him 6 Years/$130M, buying out his Arbitration years
That sounds very fair
Slider32 is correct. 130 mil. over 6 years is low. de Grom could get 7 yrs. at well over 200 mil. on open market. I know what happened this past winter in free agency, but those were all 2nd and 3rd tier starters. de Grom is in that elite Max Scherzer/Chris Sale category.
Yes it’s low but that’s the point of an early extension: the player gets guaranteed money and years before free agency (where he doesn’t have to risk a down year or injury) and the team gets a modest discount for taking the early risk.
If he wants fair money, he should just go to free agency and let the Mets make a bid.
Adam 6710: If you are offering a six year extension to de Grom who becomes a free agent at the end of 2021 season…then you are basically asking him to sell 3 of his free agent years for a bit over 60 million dollars. Would I do that deal if I were de Grom? Yes (injuries can end a career at any minute). But, when he could possibly make 100 million dollars on those 3 free agent years as opposed to 65 million…well, that’s kind of a spread. Again, I’d do a 6 year extension for way less than 130 million due to injury potential, but, he’s of the same generation that choose not to purchase health insurance because they think that they are invincible (see also: Garciaparra, Nomar).
21.6 million average? LOL!
that’s “IF” he was on the open market. If If was a fifth, we’ll all be drunk. He’s not, so this situation doesn’t favor him.
there is no one in the mets organization with the power to make a degrom trade at this point, so it will have to be done in the off season or next year since the mets are not going to give him top 5 pitcher money
de Grom would get 7/210 if he were on the market right now.The Mets need to come to grips with the fact that their window has closed. They need to sell pronto!
Let’s take the advice of deGrom’s agent. If they go the trade route, it should be in the off season when the market has a full complement of bidders. The seller’s market at the deadline does not extend to under 30 stars like deGrom.
Because of statements they made about why they didn’t spend on many needs, I always thought the Wilpons would have to extend at least one of their starting pitchers. That’s now down to two. I always thought deGrom was the most likely to be extended (more than NS) because of the age when hitting FA. I think, being somewhat older, he might not command an extension of the same length, I guess the record now means they can justify not signing either. Rebuilding is the right move, but it’s hard to trust the rebuilders. Regardless of who’s hired the Wilpons will be overseeing the thing.
I agree that deGrom should go and that a rebuild should be had. Mets aren’t spending money or trading prospects and are currently stinking up the place. Time to move forward with a new plan.
DeGrom’s agent doesnt care what kind of return the Mets get for him. It was a request disguised as commentary. It’s like telling the smelly guy at work that you found a sale on deoderant.
The whole “should Degrom get traded” is an utter nonsense question that exists for fodder for talk radio and newspaper articles.
The answer is a resounding “It depends on what they get back”.
In theory, that’s always a possible answer to “Should A be traded”, but much more so here.
If you want to discuss whether a Todd Frazier or Mescaroro should be traded, fine, reasonable minds all have a ballpark estimate of what they are worth.
But Degrom? There is really no comp that is close to perfect, I think Sale is closest but even that is problematic (not the least because the package is almost impossible for most teams to duplicate).
Perfect example is where a Torres-Degrom trade fits- some reasonable minds think that wildly favors Mets, others think Yanks would need to add couple of more prospects.
So, unless and until something relatively concrete starts floating around, these discussions are less than worthless.
top post. Agree that it is very hard for anyone to come up with a package that offers fair value for deGrom. Many teams will balk at giving up that much prospect talent, and many teams just don’t have the prospect talent to offer.
There ARE a few teams with the prospects to get it done. And it just so happens that one of them desperately needs an ace.
It also just so happens to be the one team the Wilpon’s refuse to deal players to for solely emotional reasons.
If you are referring to the Yankees, it’s not just emotional, it’s financial and it’s a too way street. Good Lou Pinella Rafael Santana trade, Mets were looking to do Sanatana a favor by giving him to the Yanks and Steinbrenner almost blocked it by demanding the Mets include Gregg Jeffries (then the #1 prospect in baseball) in the deal.
Mets ownership would be taking a HUGE chance trading Degrom to Yankees, let’s say none of the prospects they get back really pan out, this wouldn’t be a once or twice a year story it would be on the back page of the Post and News every fifth day.
Not to say they shouldn’t do it, but it would have to be a no brainer package that at least got the Mets a couple of days of favorable coverage for how they ransacked the Yankees system.
“Google Lou Pinella…”
Send him to the Astros. They need another ace in there rotation
How an earth can a Team, with an asset like DeGrom on their roster, not even get to the point of discussing loose numbers for an extension with that asset? Especially when that asset is clearly open to it.
The Mets truly are an inept, poorly run organization.
The one saving grace for me as an O’s fan is that at least one team is run worse than the O’s.
But at least the Mets were in the World Series 3 years ago.
Brodie should just shut his trap. I am sure he would not appreciate the Mets saying they approached him about a long term deal for his client, (but since they didn’t agree), it appears DeGrom doesn’t want to play in New York, and this lack of agreement causes them to wonder if he will provide a full effort. It holds just as much water as his argument. If I was DeGrom, I would seriously be looking for a different agent.
Cant accept the fact the guy wants out of that joke of an organization?
Lol
Let me guess, you are in the”build around degrom ” camp?
Its over shirly, agents don’t say anything their clients don’t want them to say.
The guy is either getting a huge contract, which will hamstring them even further financially or he gets traded.
Sorry he doesn’t want to pitch for a talentless, poorly run joke of a team and waste his best years cause you root for that team.
So basically deGrom has no interest in taking an extension. He says it’s in the Mets’ control and out of his, but that is a complete lie.
deGrom would take 2 top 20 prospects + an interesting Third piece. Sale and Quintana trades both show the going rate. As mentioned above, most teams cannot make that trade for lack of assets in that range, or status as a contender. I do believe the list of teams is likely: Yanks, Dodgers, nationals, Braves, Phillies, Astros, Indians. Of the teams above, Phillies, Dodgers, and Yankees would actually empty most top prospects for him. I think you would have to be a major market team willing to spend some high money in FA to fix holes that the trade would take away.
The idea that a pitcher, any pitcher, can “fix holes” is crazy. The pitcher is only helpful when he is available. More and more you see pitchers over 30 decline quicker than their teams would like. DeGrom is great, but with his age and his TJS, he is still a risk. If the Mets are looking for a bundle of high end pitching prospects, than by all means, but the Mets are looking for teams to hand over 15+ years of control at three, possiby four positions on the field with immediate major league production and very little minor league development. In the case of the Yankees, the haul need to be Torres, Andujar, Frazier, Florial and maybe Sheffield or Abreu. The Yankees would basically strip mine their immediate and long term future for a great pitcher if he takes the mound for them for the next two years. You basically be worse in the field, better 1 out of 5 days in starting ptichjng. While you basically help to rebuild your crosstown rival. That is a risky gamble.
What the Mets are asking for now is likely a function of not wanting to trade him now. I think the Yankees and other teams understand this. In the off season, the number of bidders increases (from just deadline buyers). That’s a better market for the Mets, as a seller seeking multiple assets in return, so why forgo it unless a team meets your dream list? In the end, no buying team, now or in the off season, regardless of how good their system is, will completely empty it, nor is that needed. For that reason, selling teams usually maximize the return package by not insisting on only minor league players. Which is a reason why it’s hard to do a deadline deal for a guy like deGrom since most buyers are contenders, and are also going to be hesitant to trade any ML players currently a major contributor, let alone more than one. In the off season, guys like Torres and Andujar will be better known ML commodities, and can be more rationally valued relative to alternatives. That, in turn, helps the seller as well. In short, I don’t think deGrom is really (rationally) available.
Doesn’t help that the 3 teams best positioned to trade for him are the Yankees, Braves and phillies.
No way wilpon lets him go in the division as at least pretending to be competitive is their hallmark.
No way he goes to yankees.
In the off season he only has 2 years left as opposed to three if traded now.
And he will be in his early 30’s and wants a ton of money.
They could of traded degrom this year and gotten a break and maybe turned the franchise around.
They will slow play this till his cake is in the tank and get a minimal return.
A full 2 years is enough to get full value. Most buyers would likely want to begin extension talks after the trade in any event. Whatever the extra half season might add to a buyer’s offer is likely to be more than offset by the better off season market, with more potential buyers, and most being more willing to part with a wider range of assets.
I’d like to know who these more potential buyers are?
The only teams not interested now are teams out of contention.
Of those teams, which ones will suddenly want a 30 year old pitcher and gutting their farm and adding alot of payroll in the off season?
The answer is none as most are rebuilding or about to go into rebuild so it makes zero sense to gut your farm for 2 years of degrom.
The teams interested in the off season will be the same teams interested now.
The Mets will hold onto their presious little golden nugget until hes lost 70% of his value.
Classic Wilpons.
Nobody’s gutting their farm system for a single player, not now, not in the off season. That’s why the off season market is better, because more teams think they can contend, and young ML players (vs prospects) are also in the mix as are another class of lower level minor league players.
The Wilpons will of course screw it up, as they will everything. But that doesn’t change the fact that, at this point, waiting until the off season allows them to access a better trade market.
We shall see.
I think they will slow play it, string him along and make a weak offer to save face.
I think degrom will eventually get traded at the deadline in 2020.
How Much Will It Help If Either Right Now Or Sometime Before The Trade Deadline,Brian Cashman Trades Albert Abreu,Domingo Acevedo,Clint Frazier & Estevan Florial For Either Madison Bumgarner,Cole Hamels,Patrick Corbin,James Paxton,Danny Duffy,Jacob DeGrom,Chris Archer,Felix Hernandez,Tyson Ross Or Michael Fulmer?
That is a WIDE spread of pitching talent….and that package, lol.
The Mets are really bad, getting healthy won’t help them win next season, and their farm is empty of impact prospects. Trade everyone that is not nailed down. Trade deGrom, Thor, Wheeler, Bruce, Flores, and anyone that does not have at least 2 more years of team control. Start the rebuild in earnest. Half-assed actions are not the solution to the problem there.
The Mets should tell Scott Boras Jr. that if he wants to be the GM he can put in an application.
Hey Josh-for NY National League fans sake, the first move is for Scott Boras (Sr) to BUY the Mets.
Without ridding the franchise of Abbott & Costello, NO GM has a chance.
DeGrom will not get an extension for the same reason that Arrieta and Darvish were unsigned into February. DeGrom will be a 33 yr old free agent the same year that Clayton Kershaw will be a 33 yr old free agent.
Why extend him at age 30 when he’s already under control through age 32 if there’s very small chance that he’ll outperform the contract terms of the extension?
Simple trade, no brainer. Keep Andujar and Torres. Give the Mets any six players they want not in the starting lineup. That may start with Frazier, Sheffield and Drury plus any three the Mets want!
You can keep Drury but Frazier, Sheffield, Florial, Abreu and two more? Done.
All I heard was “If you like it then you better put a ring on it”
I understand this is mlbtr but the mets do not have a gm in charge so how can they trade degrom in season?
First of all I think the Mets should trade everyone and anyone to tear it down and rebuild. Their only other option is to keep deGrom and Syndergaard and spend heavily in the FA market as they don’t have the farm system to acquire players.
I also don’t see deGrom being traded until maybe the offseason. Who is the GM of the Mets. Good bet they hire one after the season. Such franchise altering decisions should be made by the new GM and give that person a chance to have a plan.
I think the agent played the right card but at the wrong time because of this.
Hey Tim-when the Mets spend heavily they end up with contracts like Cespedes. Need to face the facts that top line free agents are looking for the best financial contract AND the highest chances of playing deep into the post season.
Until Abbott & Costello relinquish their control of the team, no TOP tier player will be desperate enough to sign with the sad reputation of the Mets.
Evidence was the past off season when their collection of free agents ponied up. They were middle later players who had NO shot at the money AND potential and on the down side of their careers that could only be turned around with the boost of adrenaline that winning creates. (Jay Bruce and Todd Frazier.)
Instead they sit on the DL or playing uninspired baseball with the over-the hill gang (Reyes, AG, and Jose Bats) and the rich primadonna’s (Noah and Cespedes) who play in between their DL staycations.
STOP supporting Fred and his boy’s habits. Boycott buying tickets AND SNY. Shame Abbott & Costello into getting out.
The alternative is stupity!
Dude you do realize I’m not a Mets fan right? They’d be smart to look at teams like the Cubs, Astros, Braves, Phillies, Yankees, or Red Sox all teams who built up for sustained long term success … albeit not entirely the same … and with the Red Sox likely having the shortest shelf life of them. Pick a plan and implement it smartly.
You’re right. The Mets are foolishly run.
Mets send Jacob DeGrom and Jay Bruce(salary dump) to the Red Sox for prospects Bryan Mata, Jalen Beeks, Bobby Dalbec, Tanner Houck, Cole Brannen and Brad Netzer..
Yankees are the only team that can afford deGrom!