In a sudden and abrupt development, the Indians and Padres announced a blockbuster trade Thursday that will send one of baseball’s best relievers, Brad Hand, and emerging setup man Adam Cimber from San Diego to Cleveland in exchange for catcher/outfielder Francisco Mejia — one of the top-regarded prospects in all of baseball.
The Indians’ desire to augment what has surprisingly been one of the worst bullpens in all of baseball has been no secret, and Hand, in particular, was reported by ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick to be a target of theirs earlier this week. That said, there’d been little to no suggestion that Cleveland’s interest was anything more than preliminary in nature to this point.
Cleveland’s acquisition of Hand harkens back to the team’s 2016 pickup of fellow southpaw Andrew Miller. While Hand isn’t quite the ultra-dominant weapon that Miller was at the time, he’s nonetheless established himself as one of the top relievers in all of baseball over the past three seasons and, like Miller in 2016, is controllable for years beyond the current campaign. Hand signed a surprising three-year, $19.75MM extension with San Diego this offseason despite already being well into his arbitration years and being within striking distance of free agency.
Hand recently voiced a desire to remain with the Padres as the team pushes back toward contention but candidly acknowledged his cognizance of the fact that the extension also markedly upped his trade value. Today’s agreement underscores the veracity of those comments, as he’ll now head to Cleveland through at least the 2020 season. Hand is earning $3.5MM in 2018 and will be paid $6.5MM in 2019 and $7.5MM in 2020. The Indians will also have a $10MM club option on Hand for the 2021 season, which comes with a $1MM buyout.
Originally a waiver claim from the Marlins organization, Hand landed in San Diego with little fanfare. However, over the course of the past three seasons, he’s gone from long reliever to setup man to elite closer, as evidenced by his 2.66 ERA, 11.8 K/9, 3.0 BB/9, 0.9 HR/9, 46.5 percent ground-ball rate in 213 innings dating back to Opening Day 2016. For an Indians club that has seen its collective bullpen struggle to a ghastly 5.28 ERA (second-worst in the Majors), Hand alone would represent a massive and much-needed upgrade.
Of course, Hand isn’t the only upgrade Cleveland is acquiring in this case — far from it. The 27-year-old Cimber represents an entirely different type of success story for the Padres. A former ninth-round pick, the sidearming Cimber wasn’t even in consideration to break camp with the Padres heading into Spring Training this season, but a dominant performance earned him a spot on the Opening Day roster. Though he was late to arrive on the Major League scene, Cimber quickly emerged as a reliever who looks like he may never have to return to the minors.
In 48 1/3 innings out of the Padres’ bullpen this season, Cimber has turned in a 3.17 earned run average, though secondary numbers paint an even more optimistic picture. Cimber has averaged 9.5 K/9 against just 1.9 BB/9 with a 52.3 percent ground-ball rate. ERA alternatives such as FIP (2.32), xFIP (2.79) and SIERA (2.68) all feel he’s outperformed an already strong ERA mark.
Cimber has allowed only two home runs on the season thus far and has rendered opposing right-handed hitters utterly useless; righties are slashing a comically bad .207/.221/.261 against Cimber through 123 plate appearances. He does come with some platoon concerns, as lefties have clobbered him for a .288/.391/.569 slash through 69 PAs, but he comes to the Indians organization with five and a half years of club control and won’t even be eligible for arbitration until the completion of the 2020 season.
It’s not clear exactly how the Indians will utilize their new pair of relievers. While Hand could surely be viewed as an upgrade over struggling incumbent closer Cody Allen, the Indians may also relish the idea of having both Hand and Miller available as high-leverage, multi-inning weapons to use during any game situation (once Miller is healthy, of course). Manager Terry Francona could also simply choose to utilize a variety of ninth-inning options depending on matchups, rather than deploying one true closer.
While the Padres surely found it difficult to part with a pair of quality relievers who could have affordably helped to anchor their bullpen for the next several seasons, they’re also assuredly thrilled to add yet another elite prospect to what was already regarded as one of the game’s top farm systems. Baseball America ranked Mejia as the game’s No. 24 overall prospect on yesterday’s updated Top 100 list, while ESPN’s Keith Law just this morning ranked Mejia as baseball’s No. 5 overall prospect.
In Mejia, the Padres are adding a 22-year-old switch-hitting catcher who also comes with experience at both third base and in the outfield corners. But Mejia’s future with the Padres is likely behind the plate, and he could even see significant time there this season. Mejia got off to a slow start but went on an otherworldly hot streak to open the month of June and hasn’t looked back since. The author of a historically excellent 50-game hitting streak in the minor leagues last season, Mejia hit .297/.346/.490 in Double-A in 2017 and is hitting .279/.328/.426 so far in Triple-A despite facing older competition. Since the start of June, he’s notched an obscene .391/.421/.594 slash with four homers and 15 doubles through 141 plate appearances.
The acquisition of Mejia clouds the future of once-vaunted catching prospect Austin Hedges in San Diego. While Hedges’ defense behind the plate has been every bit as strong as advertised, the questions about his hitting ability have proved valid. Though he’s hit for plenty of power in the Major Leagues (.250 ISO), Hedges’ overall batting line through 730 trips to the plate sits at .205/.253/.355. He’s a superior defensive option to Mejia, but his bat looks decidedly unlikely to ever stack up to that of today’s newly acquired backstop.
As such, Mejia and Hedges could form a strong catching tandem behind the plate. Mejia will bring a more offensive-minded focus, but the Padres will feel comfortable in knowing they have a plus defender to utilize behind the dish on days when Mejia isn’t there — either for a full day off or perhaps in an outfield corner or at third base. Mejia’s versatility would at least allow the Friars to consider rostering three catching options at a time, though most clubs prefer not to do so (the division-rival D-backs being one notable exception).
For the Indians, today’s trade isn’t so much about winning the American League Central as it is about strengthening a relief corps that was already widely expected to be pitching in October baseball. Cleveland, after all, holds a 7.5 game lead over the Twins in the division. The move is also one of long-term import, however, as bullpen anchors Allen and Miller are both slated to hit free agency at season’s end. With the possibility of both departing, the Indians have now added some long-term insurance while also creating a potentially dominant relief corps for the 2018 postseason, assuming Miller can fully heal and Allen can return to form.
As for the Padres, the addition of Mejia could well be one of the final pieces in an ongoing rebuild that has seen GM A.J. Preller and his staff compile one of the most impressive farms in recent memory. Mejia’s path to the Majors will largely coincide with that of top prospects Fernando Tatis Jr., Luis Urias and others, giving the Padres a young core of position players on which they can dream — in addition to a deep reservoir of pitchers that has already begun to emerge at the big league level.
Photos courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
Ken Rosenthal and Robert Murray of The Athletic were the first to report all of the notable components of this trade (all links to Twitter).
GoRockies
Bard Hand outta no where!!!!
paulnewman
Rosenthal reporting Hand & Cimber to Indians, Mejia coming back to Padres.
MiggyCabby24
Highway robbery for the Indians. Hand, Allen and Miller on the backend of that pen. Nice !!
deweybelongsinthehall
Tells you the value of truly highly regarded prospects.
bleacherbum
Lights out
Knowthemarket
I wouldn’t call that robbery. Meija is one of the most valuable prospects in baseball not only because he is a top 20 prospect but because he is a catcher too.
CCSabbatical
Except he’s not a catcher long term. Probably ends up at 1B, DH more likely if he wasn’t in the NL.
andrewgauldin
So brad hand for Carlos Santana 6 years ago?
TeddyBallgameYazJimEd
He’s ranked in the top 25 and higher on most of the MLBs prospect lists.. a quality switch hitting catcher is a hot commodity..
bleacherbum
Yeah and how has Santana’s career turned out? As a Padre fan, I will gladly take a Carlos Santana-esq. career if Mejia was able to do that in San Diego.
mrpadre19
The only way Mejia changes positions is of his offense is so exceptional that Catching will limit him.
If that’s the case the Padres still win!
michaelw
still wont help the indians get past Boston…Next
michaelw
lol far from lights out but good trade. Wont make a difference though. The so called lights out pen in 2016 came to reality too. Good luck with Boston lol and Houston
BalfourRage
Cause Boston’s pitching in the playoffs is so proven….. price hasn’t done anything and who’s in the pen except for kimbrel?
Rob Connolly
Not sure if highway robbery is the right phrase. The Padres got Brad Hand on as a waiver claim. They virtually paid nothing for him. In return for nothing, they picked up one of the top prospects in baseball,
I think it’s a good deal for both clubs.
Brewblaz
It surely won’t be highway robbery if Mejia develops as projected
Larry Leonardo
It’s Brad, not Bard. Nice pickup. Hand can do the job.
jamfed
Josh Bard? lol
emt tim
oh dang lol that was sudden
larry48
San Deigo does this every year, when they get a player who looks good they sign him and then trade him so they can stay in last place . Its like they just want to make money not win games and compete for division.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
More like they want to build up their farm system in order to build a consistent contender in the future.
petersdylan36
Not true. Yes they have been poor for 10 plus years. But look at how many ownership groups have come in, look at how many different GMs they have had.
This group is committed. They have seen how the astros and cubs won their championships. It’s seasons like this and prospects like this that they had to go through to get where they are now
mrpadre19
The Padres now have the undisputed #1 Farm system.
The near future is looking very bright when you consider the majority of those top prospects are pitchers.
Add in Tatis,Urias,Mejia,Naylor,Austin Allen,and Buddy Reed….and they could compete as soon as 2020.
Remember….they have to be able to compete with the Dodgers and Giants with half their payroll.
“This” is how you do that.
restingmitchface
Completely agree. If I was a Padres fan, I’d want them to take this route. I’m actually a little excited for you guys — I’d love for that rivalry to grow!
jbigz12
It’s easier to compete with half the payroll when you don’t spend half your payroll on two first baseman.
ElysianPark
What rivalry? It is one-sided.
bleacherbum
Incorrect. The Padres are still rebuilding. A closer does no good for a team that is 20 games below .500 this ownership group has a plan that hasn’t deviated.
juicemane
“not win games?” May and June were great months, we just don’t have the depth to compete in THE BEST DIVISION IN BASEBALL…also did you say the same thing about Houston 4-5 years ago? how did that work out?
ShieldF123
You can’t honestly believe that the NL West is the best division in baseball. That’s hilarious.
Have you seen the AL East. Two of the best 3 teams in baseball reside there…
cmancoley
lmao the NL West is not the best division in baseball. Not even close, AL East is by far the best division. You’re smoking crack
dan-9
Depends how you measure it. The AL East has 2 great teams and and an overall .520 winning percentage. The AL West has been better overall, though, with a .548 winning percentage.
juicemane
Name 2 divisions where 4 of the 5 teams are .500 or over? hint one of them is not the AL East… So if that is hilarious then your life is a joke lol….MAINLY BC YOUR ON A BASEBALL WEBSITE BUT OBVIOUSLY DO NOT WATCH THE GAME
juicemane
I might smoke crack, but I can do math…you obviously cannot and furthemore you DO NOT WATCH BASEBALL CAUSE IF YOU DID YOU WOULD KNOW THE NL WEST HAS BEEN THE BEST DIVISION FOR THE PAST 2 YEARS.
juicemane
YEA BUT THEY PLAY MORE AL TEAMS….TIGERS, ROYALS, WHITE SOX, TWINS, ORILIES, BLUE JAYS, ETC.
NL IS A MUCH MUCH MUCH STRONGER LEAGUE….WATCH BASEBALL GUYS IT REALLY HELPS IN MOMENTS LIKE THESE….
RedRooster
AHHHHHHHHHH ALL CAPS AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BrewCrew1420
NL Central is 1 Pirate win away from that. NL West isn’t in exclusive company in that stat.
Knowthemarket
That’s what you call a rebuild and you should be glad to see them do it if you’re a fan. The Padres we’re already in last place so what’s the point of holding onto quality relievers?
GoRockies
Brad hand outta no where!!!
elmore80
Allard Sims Gohara and Flowers to San Diego for Hedges Renfroe Yates and Ross.
Acuna moves to CF Renfroe to LF Hedges Catcher Ender to 4thOF.
bleacherbum
Remove the catchers and you’re on to something. Padres will probably have interest in Riley as well.
Deve
there’s some much needed help
brewcrew08
I live in Ohio so I don’t mind CLE at all but I still don’t think this puts them in the NY, BOS and HOU class. I’m assuming they had to give up quite a bit too.
justinept
They have as good a 1-2 rotation punch as anyone in Kluber and Bauer. The back end of their pen with Allen, Hand, and Miller is the best in the AL. Add in the least heralded MVP candidate in Ramirez and arguable the best shortstop in baseball in Lindor to go with the most playoff experienced manager in the league… Don’t be shocked if they come out of the AL even with a middle of the road record.
kenneth cole
Betances Chapman and Robertson/Green rival that…
ShieldF123
Let me correct you.
Betances, Chapman, Green, Robertson, AND Holder are far better than that
mattmonteith
Their back end got better with Hand, but it’s not the best in the AL. The Yankees trio of Chapman, Betances and Robertson – with Green and Holder ready to fill in if any of those top three need a day off – is easily the class of the AL.
DVail1979
Even if it doesn’t put them in the same class as those other teams what are they supposed to do? Roll over and die? Any post season team can get hot go on a run and win the World Series … Cleveland is no exception
brewcrew08
When did I say they should roll over? All I said was is that I still think the 3 juggernauts is the AL are better.
asuchrisc
was hoping the Astros would land him.
cvarneski
Bleacher Report will still put up multiple articles per week suggesting or predicting Brad Hand to the Astros lol
sufferforsnakes
So did MLB. com — today.
Meow Meow
It’s almost like Hand was also a great fit for the Astros (especially given the recent demotion of Ken Giles) and the Indians just made a better offer
dirtydan
Guess they wouldn’t trade “Hand” over the prospects for him.
pdubs2907
Umm, what?
Mikel Grady
Asuchrisc, come on Astros can’t have all the best players let some of our teams have some
kenly0
Wow!!
Slipknot37
Hopefully its Mejia coming back in the return. Indians have no room at all for him
Houston We Have A Solution
Padres fans would be ok with that.
bleacherbum
Confirmed
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
When Russell Martin’s body double gets a reality check within the next year theyll regret this trade. Roberto Perez is good. But he’ll be like geovany Soto pretty soon.
TJECK109
I’m sure the Padres will regret this trade cause Hand was eventually going to get them to the playoffs right?
If anything I give the Padres credit for taking a castoff and flipping him before he crashed back to reality.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Padres are a good 7 years from any playoff run. Indians will do what they do and choke in the playoffs.
staxxxxxxxxx
7 years? Get outta here with that garbage.
bil minor
Pads are about 2 years from .500 ball and 3-4 years from a decade of competing year after year.
Don’t be surprised when AJ flips a few youngsters and OF depth for a bigger OF bat before the the RULE V draft,
Gobbysteiner
By then bryzzoed will probably be a padres fan.
bleacherbum
Or a young controllable ace.
chesteraarthur
A decade? GL with that…
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Not all prospects pan out. Their best player Wil Myers. Will likely be traded within 3 years. Because they still suck. I feel bad that Hosmer bad a awful choose of a team to sign with. He’s stuck for 5 more years of losing.
bil minor
I love it!!!!
SO…..you’re saying there’s a chance?!!
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
I will never be a Padres fan. I wouldn’t care if the Cubs lost 300 games in 3 seasons. I would still sport them. Luckily they are gonna be good for the next 10 years. I won’t have to worry about a bad season.
Gobbysteiner
Next ten years is pretty optimistic. You’re gonna gonna have pay up sooner or later For all your players
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
The Cubs have plenty of money to keep everyone single one. 170mil for rizzo, 270mm for Bryant, 130 mm for Baez and contreas and Schwarber and Russell. They have a multi billion TV network going. The Ricketts Although they have zero knowledge of the sport. They can basically print money.
ASapsFables
ThatBallwasBryzzoed: The Cubs own “multi billion TV network” won’t begin until after the 2019 season, if then. Cable TV revenues are down with more people interested in streaming services these days. That being said, chances are it will happen with the Disney purchase/merger of Fox all but a done deal along with the recent AT&T purchase of Time Warner which happened in spite of the Justice Department’s efforts to stop it.
All of this is expected to unleash a wave of corporate takeovers which will likely result in fewer choices for consumers and higher prices for television and internet services, playing right into the hands of the Rickett’s ability to “print money”.
bigkempin
Gomes only has 1 guaranteed year left. He has decent trade value too.
trace
*applause*
mattyrock18
Wow!!!
Houston We Have A Solution
Mejia or mckenzie has to be involved.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
The first paragraph literally say Mejia is going back to San Diego.
Houston We Have A Solution
Its almost l8ke this comment was made before details was released….as if all that was available when the comment was made only said hand to the indians. Thanks for proving you have no clue how online jouralism works.
You bryzzoed yourself.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
It literally said Hand for Mejia. Before all details were released.
mrnatewalter
No, it didn’t. When this article showed up, it was 2-3 sentences long.
Chewbacca
true. there were no names in the article when it was first posted, except Hand, obviously.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
It’s in the third sentence.
Houston We Have A Solution
Instead of listening to 3 people tell you what information was available when they first announced the trade you triple down on your own stupidity.
Your commitment to being this dumb is impressive.
hrush28
Just Mejia. I hope they keep McKenzie
Knowthemarket
I can’t believe a team gave up a top 20 prospect for Hand even if a set up guy comes with him.
gorav114
Awesome, Britton’s stock is a rising
Senioreditor
Not really. Hand is healthy and signed for a few years
beej
Britton is now the best arm out there for bullpen help. Love it
Priggs89
Britton is the best arm available if you have a time machine taking you back to 2016. Soria and Familia are better arms right now.
seamaholic 2
That’s gonna be a hefty return, to acquire a guy like that so early. I’d be surprised if Mejia or MacKenzie were not involved.
Pax vobiscum
Plan D for Klentak.
pinkerton
yep, he better get moving.
Pax vobiscum
He’s paralyzed with fear right now.
Thomas Walker
Moustakas maybe? At this point, they may have to either panic and overpay, or stand pat and go hard in the winter. The future is bright out there, so no real reason to sell the farm for a bandaid move. I mean, is there 1 guy out there that makes them a World Series contender right now? I don’t think so.
koldjerky
I wish more people had your line of thinking.
This isn’t the time for the Phillies to sell the farm. I get they shouldn’t necessarily sit on their hands either, but why is everyone thinking/upset Klentak isn’t make moves on a team that is more advanced than they were projected? Get a couple cheap fill-ins maybe and see where this team goes.
Now, come the winter since this team is showing they are closer to contention is the time to make moves. If he sits on his hands then, then we can’t start being more critical.
pdubs2907
Very similar to the Brewers last year. A year ahead of schedule. Competitive, but don’t sell good prospects to go all in when you’re not ready.
ray_derek
a year ahead of finishing .500 and in 3rd?
Little Whirl
The left side of their infield is almost laughably bad, so that has to be looked at, almost certainly. I get that they’re trying to develop a couple guys and that the team on the whole might be ahead of schedule, but the standings are what they are. It shouldn’t be too difficult to get a 2018 placeholder infielder at a fairly palatable price honestly.
koldjerky
And this is all fine and dandy and even said as much. I would’ve loved Machado (even at the price of Medina) but that’s the type of move a team like the Dodgers (who are in contention) than it would’ve been for the Phillies so I wasn’t too upset at losing out on him.
Shift the focus to more controllable assets or a very inexpensive upgrade.(s)
PhilsPhan
Yeah seriously! What the heck is he doing over here?
Pax vobiscum
As I noted earlier, the Phillies have no marquee talent in their farm. Other than Nola their drafts have produced busts. International signings have been a little better but they always seem to arrive at the table a little too late and with offers that are a little t
Pax vobiscum
Too weak. Just like my texting ability.
tonypro7
They have Medina and Sanchez but they have to be willing to move them.
Bostonsportsforlife
haha. that is just pure gold.
ziIP8
Wow. Unexpected
pinkerton
Brad Foot!
jdgoat
Hands evil brother
nymetsking
wow
Monkey’s Uncle
Well, I have to Hand it to the Indians…
PhilsPhan
No.
Rwm102600
Seriously no
differentbears
Everybody needs to Cimber down, the joke wasn’t that bad.
ohioplayers
Bringing the Dad joke game strong
Monkey’s Uncle
I resemble that remark.
acarneglia
So much for the Ross, Hand, Yates package to NYY
thetruth 2
It was never going to happen, New York doesn’t need relievers.
Begamin
eh, while youre right that they dont need relievers, Hand wouldve been have made for a good excuse to get Shreve out of that pen. The only other lefty outside Chapman and perhaps the weakest link in the pen too
Scranton
This may be the impetus for the Bucs to shop Felipe Vazquez, depending on the return.
jdgoat
They’ll get a crap load for him.
Scranton
I think Vazquez is analogous to Hand. And Crick is a good comparison to Cimber.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Catcher is their biggest prospect need and I’d still rather have Vasquez over Mejia…who I do like and did want the Pirates to somehow get. Just not at that price.
Vasquez signed a 6 year deal vs a 4 year deal for Hand, though. I think SD did well (as did CLE) here.
bilak33
Nooo! Was hoping we’d keep him for when (if?) our farm system finally pays off.
jdgoat
When they’re contending with Mejia they’ll be able to trade their prospects
sluman46953
i have one question .. what could the mets get for degrom and syndergaard ??
augold5
Trout
iverbure
Lol good one.
jekporkins
Who would immediately break his back and be out for two years.
pdubs2907
As a Brewers fan (people hate that term, but it’s the farm system I know) it would probably be like Hiura, Burnes, Ray, Erceg and a lotto ticket and that may not be enough (maybe Arcia in there too). But that’s the Crew’s 1/2//4/6-ish prospects so it would be a huge return.
simschifan
Possibly Chris archer if the Mets give the Rays both.
hk27
If Mets cut a deal with Angels (big if), probably something like Jo Adell and Chris Rodriguez. Pretty steep price for the Angels (their best position prospect–Adell is actually drawing Trout comparisons among more optimistic types–and the pitching prospect with the highest upside)., but a reasonably fair one, I think.
Zach725
Holy crap
Solaris601
Tribe must have been reading my posts in past weeks because this makes a ton of sense on both sides. Padres have a future star in Mejia – he’ll be the best offensive C in baseball within 3-4 years.
tharrie0820
Yeah…don’t kid yourself
hiflew
Didn’t they say that about Austin Hedges just a couple of years ago?
alexryanperry
Hedges has never had a good bat, his glove was always what was going to bring to the majors.
mrpadre19
No.
Hedges has “always” been a glove first Catcher.
It was said that his hitting may improve…….but never did anyone suggest he would be an offensive star.
hiflew
Yeah not what I meant. The point is that Hedges was supposed to be a great catcher and now Mejia is supposed to be a great catcher, what are they going to do? If you platoon them, neither will become a great catcher. If you pick one or the other, you just wasted a great prospect.
The Indians would have been much better off taking a lesser top prospect at another position like McKenzie and getting a couple of lesser guys with him. Instead they put all their eggs in one basket like they did with Anderson Espinoza.
mrpadre19
Again…no.
The Padres Farm system is the best in baseball.At this point you no longer take quantity over quality.
There is no room for average prospects in their system anymore.
You have to take the highest upside prospect you can get.
Hedges is good defensively but if Mejia is the real deal there is no problem with only starting Hedges 1-2 games a week.Every team plays two catchers.
Or…..Mejia may change positions.
Either way…..trade Hand who you picked up for nothing for the best “one” prospect you can……which AJ just did.
JackDanielsGhost
The Padres already have so many guys have had to field two Rookie league teams that past few years and already have a massive 40 man roster crunch coming this offseason. It’s all about quality for Preller.
siddfinch1079
How “great” of a catcher could he have possibly been projected to be if he was glove first and only had an average bat? Mejia is in another world compared to Hedges.
hiflew
So instead of getting a prospect at another position that is slightly lesser rated on a hypothetical list made by someone that can’t see the future, you think it is smarter to get another top catching prospect and have him change positions? If that is what you believe, there is nothing I can say to change your mind. Apparently the history of offensive catchers that can just change positions like Jesus Montero doesn’t bother you. Enjoy your 2 years of the next Wilin Rosario and have a nice day.
Kslaw
You are assuming McKenzie was on the table. Mejia may not catch as the Indians were already working him in the OF and 3B. So actually in theory, yes they can keep both Hedges and Mejia and not have to platoon them.
justreading
besides, the NL will have the DH by 2020 at the latest, he will fit nicely
coachbrad
Um, no.
jekporkins
Didn’t they say that about Travis d’Arnaud just a couple years before that?
hojostache
Ouch. Too soon. 🙁
southi
So now the Padres have a former great catching prospect who can field exceptionally but can barely hit and another one who can hit exceptionally but barely field. Are they attempting to blend them together and form the perfect catcher?
I can see the upside, but truthfully I am wondering how this will work out for the Padres.
TheIncident
I assume they will do something similar to what the Dodgers did with Grandal/Barnes last year. Hedges gets bulk of starts at catcher but Mejia also sees time at 3b/OF. Gives Padres time to see if Hedges will develop into a starter or a glove first backup.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
Maybe they’ll try him out at 3b if he doesn’t stick at catcher. I’d imagine they value Hedges’ defense and framing at the plate more than anything.
bleacherbum
Either way it’s not a bad problem to have. Hedges remains the battery to guys who love throwing to him. Mejia plays in the field on those days, He catches the other guys and Hedges is the back-up otherwise. I’m totally fine with it.
DVail1979
Best offensive C in baseball in 2-3 years? Nostradamus here or something? He has a chance to be special yes but there are a couple other C who might have something to say about that
larry48
Mejia wont be in San Diego in 3 years let . He will be traded , maybe even this year.
TheIncident
Your misguided rhetoric is tiresome.
Thomas.Swanson
The Padres are in constant rebuild mode, they’re the AAA team for the rest of the ML
bleacherbum
Wrong
iverbure
Mejia has serious questions on whether or not he’ll stick behind the plate. A very large part of his value is if he can hit like a young Victor Martinez and still catch and be average or slightly below average.
Gobbysteiner
Nah. Joey Bart will be.
Thomas.Swanson
In 4 years Mejia will be dealt for prospects….Padres are the perinatal cellar dewellers
yanks02026
Cashman gonna do anything to improve the Yankees or he happy with shreve
eileenyanks
Yanks 02026 Lol, I was thinking that myself..I really thought we would have at least enhanced our bullpen, but I see Cashman year after year let great players pass him by. You have to give up something to get something!
He is not so great.. Of course he didn’t really didn’t need Machado which is understandable, but Verlander escaped him, Hand, and more importantly
Garret..Astros did pretty well on that.
We are now stuck with the worst of the worst, Shreve, Gray, Herman, Cc who gives back every run the Yanks score, Tanaka who gives up homer’s like crazy, omg, good luck to us!!
thetruth 2
We don’t need Hand. Have you considered the possibility that you’re wrong? Verlander would push us over the luxury tax and Pittsburgh wanted Houston’s package for Cole, who wouldn’t do well in Yankee Stadium due to homers.
Begamin
Pittsburg wanted 3x more from NYY than they got from HOU. They asked for Andujar AND Frazier as a starting point but yet they settled for Moran (whos not too shabby), Musgrove, and two mid tier (from what Ive gathered) prospects.
ERLking
Mejia:
Team: Columbus Clippers (AAA) ETA: 2018 Position: C/OF Age: 22 DOB: 10/27/1995 Bats: S Throws: R Height: 5′ 10″ Weight: 180 lb. Signed: July 7, 2012 – CLE Other Lists: Top 100 Prospects (#15), Top 10 C Prospects (#1)
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Scouting grades: Hit: 60 | Power: 50 | Run: 40 | Arm: 70 | Field: 45 | Overall: 55
Originally signed out of the Dominican Republic in 2012, Mejia made headlines four years later when he authored a 50-game hitting streak, the longest in the Minor Leagues since 1963, spanning parts of four months and two levels. The breakout performance earned Mejia a selection as the World team’s starting catcher in the 2016 SiriusXM All-Star Futures Game, and he went on to finish sixth in the Minors with a .342 average. Mejia only built on that success in 2017, as he was named Eastern League Rookie of the Year, received his first taste of the Majors at age 21 in September and then had a strong showing in the Arizona Fall League while learning a new position.
The switch-hitting Mejia has natural hitting ability from both sides of the plate. Though his approach is aggressive, Mejia generates consistently hard contact to all fields thanks to his advanced bat-to-ball skills and outstanding barrel control. His physical strength and bat speed generates sneaky raw power, especially from the left side, and he’s tapped into it more regularly as he’s climbed the ladder.
After catching almost exclusively during his first four seasons, Mejia spent the entire AFL working at third base, where he compensated for raw footwork and actions with his cannon, plus-plus arm strength. While the Indians haven’t yet given up on Mejia as a catcher, it’s clear that they are eager to improve his defensive versatility, with the ultimate goal of getting his bat into the lineup regularly in 2018.
longlivethechief
So pumped. Gonna miss Mejia, but man did the tribe need some bullpen pieces!
hiflew
Gonna miss him? The guy literally played 12 games there and started 2 of them. You must have developed an attachment to him really quickly. Unless you have gotten used to seeing his name printed in prospect lists and never actually watched him play at all.
Solaris601
He’s been tearing up the minors at every level for several years, but he’s blocked at the major league level. In following his progress it’s hard for me to believe he’ll be anything but a rising star once he gets consistent major league reps under his belt.
tharrie0820
What a twist!
crr
Makes the Reds trading Rasiel for Robles plausible
aff10
I don’t think it does. Robles is regarded as a better prospect than Mejia by most public outlets, the Padres threw Cleveland a second pretty-valuable reliever, and Washington’s need for bullpen help isn’t as obvious as Cleveland’s.
sss847
^ this. rasiel and amir garrett MAYBE gets robles
iverbure
Crr no it doesn’t. Robles will replace Harper if Harper leaves.,
thetruth 2
*when he leaves.
petersdylan36
When does Mejia expect to be a full time player? I’m wondering what this means for hedges. I’ve always been a huge fan of his but his offense is subpar. I hope they can keep the two together on the big league team.
JohnnyMcStickySubstance
I’d expect Raffy Lopez to be waived or sent to AAA. AJ Ellis likely remains as an unofficial coach/leader/PH bat. Hedges is too good defensively and still has time to figure out his offense. He hit very well in his last year in AAA. Hopefully Meija and Hedges split time and when Hedges catches Meija can play 3B.
petersdylan36
I would expect Ellis to get traded
bleacherbum
Yeah that’s what I was just telling my buddy on the phone as we were chatting about the deal. As a Padre fan I’m stoked because on days Mejia doesn’t catch he can play in the field and Hedges can handle duties just fine. Hedges elite defense allows him to become a very impressive backup catcher now.
I’m sure there will still be some guys on the staff that feel more comfortable throwing to Hedges so there might be some type of battery combinations where Hedges still gets semi-regular playing time.
Either way, it’s a great deal for both ends. I’m satisfied as a Padre fan and I’m happy for the opportunity Brad Hand gets to showcase himself with a team that will be playing meaningful games in October.
sufferforsnakes
Mejia was horrible at 3B. That experiment ended quickly, with his next attempt being corner outfielder. He’s been somewhat decent there.
User 589131137
Did you catch the Tribe broadcast where Knott, Hamilton, and co. spoke on Mejia’s reported reluctance to play positions beyond catcher? Said he was “sulking” and “uninterested”.. It was surprising to hear because they aren’t the type to call out players in that fashion…
sufferforsnakes
Yeah, I was watching that day. I believe they were passing along what Francona had said, who was probably passing along what the FO had told him.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
If Mejia’s bat ends up turning into what scouts are predicting, they’re going to want him in the lineup as often as possible. If Hedges’ defense is too good to take away from catching, then Mejia could play in the outfield, since he’s bad at 3B. Maybe they’ll make a future trade from their outfield logjam to clear up room for him?
petersdylan36
Did I hear that Mejia could possibly play third? Would they really consider moving Mejia to third? Keep hedges at catcher for how great he is defensively there?
CF: Margot
RF:Myers
LF:Cordero/Renfroe/someone else
1B:Hosmer
2B: Urias
3B: Mejia
SS: Tatis jr
C: Hedges
Or if you want Mejia to catch, maybe sign Moose in the offseason and play him at 3rd
But as a padres fan, this is super exciting and you have to love this
Niekro
You left off Villanueva who has been one of the few Padres everyday players with a better than league average OPS+
petersdylan36
Honestly, he might be a nice bench bat but that’s all a lot of padres fans see in him. He had an incredible first month but since then he has been mediocre and the defense is subpar
southi
LOL, just wait until you watch Mejia play D.
alexryanperry
LOL Villanueva is still living off of April, he’s been horrendous since then.
bleacherbum
Is it bad?
sufferforsnakes
No, Mejia cannot play third. Tribe discovered that very quickly, and decided to try him in the outfield, instead.
bleacherbum
Roster Flexibility. All the good teams have it. When you don’t waste a roster spot on a true backup catcher who can only do that and that only, it really frees you up to do other things. You can carry an extra reliever, you can institute a 6 man rotation without effecting your bullpen in the process. The ability of a catcher that can play multiple positions is a true rarity.
thetruth 2
This lineup is pretty bad
mrpadre19
Don’t sleep on Hudson Potts.
In two years he’s our third baseman.
Is improving every year.
ERLking
MxKenzie:
Team: Akron RubberDucks (AA) ETA: 2019 Position: RHP Age: 20 DOB: 08/02/1997 Bats: R Throws: R Height: 6′ 5″ Weight: 165 lb. Drafted: 2015, CBA (42) – CLE Other Lists: Top 100 Prospects (#21), Top 10 RHP Prospects (#8)
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Scouting Grades: Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 60 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 55 | Overall: 55
McKenzie was dominant as a senior at Royal Palm Beach (Fla.) High, striking out 157 batters in 91 innings, but concerns regarding how much he would develop physically caused him to fall into the supplemental first round, where the Indians drafted him and then gave him the largest bonus ($2,302,500) for a high school pitcher in the 2015 Draft. McKenzie’s prospect stock took flight in 2016 as he earned All-Star honors in the New York-Penn League before advancing to full-season ball at age 18. Spending all of 2017 with Class A Advanced Lynchburg, McKenzie paced the Carolina League in strikeouts (186) and finished second among qualified pitchers in WHIP (1.05), earning a trip to the SiriusXM All-Star Futures Game along the way. The right-hander began the season on Lynchburg’s disabled list as a precautionary move after he experienced forearm soreness during spring camp.
McKenzie stands out for his present blend of pitchability and physical projection. His velocity has improved some as he’s begun to grow into his wiry athletic frame, and it’s easy to envision him adding a few more ticks with further physical development. He has a feel for locating his low-90s fastball throughout the zone, all while using his height to create good angle toward the plate. McKenzie’s curveball, thrown with tight spin and loads of depth, flashes plus and nets him plenty of whiffs, and he shows a similarly advanced feel for throwing an above-average, fading changeup. Above-average control and overall efficiency enable his entire arsenal to play up.
McKenzie was one of the youngest players in his Draft class, but he’s quickly proved more advanced than most of his peers while making a quick climb through Cleveland’s system. Adding more strength should help assuage concerns about McKenzie’s long-term durability, but all the ingredients are present for the right-hander to develop into a No. 2 or 3 starter.
Michael Chaney
First of all, we’re all capable of going to MLB.com and reading that exact same scouting report. Second of all, the Indians kept McKenzie.
JohnnyMcStickySubstance
and besides… we already have a MacKenzie.
aaroncook05
Thank you Michael it was so annoying
ERLking
Here we are only getting Mejia for Hand and Comber??
pinkerton
you here right
ayrbhoy
Brad Hand and Cimber for one prospect? Granted it’s one of the top prospects in mlb but surely there’s more coming back to SD? 3 month’s of Machado netted 5 prospects within LA’s top 30. Surely there’s more to this
need_a_no-no_pads
Based on the last few weeks/month, Hand May be on the decline. Conner was decent but never lights out. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hand starts to regress and this deal heavily favors the Padres.
gleybertorres25
Nope. That’s it.
padreforlife
It’s the Padres. Glyber Torres not in cards.
petersdylan36
This also opens up a 40 man roster spot that is need this offseason before the rule 5 draft
TheIncident
Surely you need to do more research and understand that not all prospects are equal. Keith Law just ranked Mejia as the 5th best prospect in the game.
petersdylan36
Exactly. The best prospect the orioles got was ranked 86 league wide. The padres got the 15 best.
However, it would had been nice to take a flyer on one more prospect. Wouldn’t hurt if not on 40 man roster and you never know what will happen. The Indians got Kluber like 10 years ago as a throw in.
hiflew
But the Orioles got 4 other players. If the #86 prospect flops, they still have 4 other chances to get a productive big leaguer. If Mejia flops or gets injured, the Padres have nothing. Kluber was a throw in, so was Michael Brantley in the CC Sabathia trade. It’s always better to get a couple of extra lotto tickets than not.
hiflew
Just for fun, let’s take a look at the 5th best prospect from Baseball America (I couldn’t find historical Keith Law lists) for the decade of the 2000s.
2000 – Nick Johnson
2001 – Ben Sheets
2002 – Carlos Pena
2003 – Jesse Foppert
2004 – Rickie Weeks
2005 – Joel Guzman
2006 – Stephen Drew
2007 – Homer Bailey
2008 – Colby Rasmus
2009 – Jason Heyward
There are a couple of decent big leaguers on there, but none I would call superstars. Cool your jets a little on him being the 5th best prospect. The 5th best prospect is still just a prospect.
TheIncident
My response was not anointing Mejia as an All-Star catcher but rather responding to the guy whining about the Orioles getting 5 prospects for Machado and the Padres only getting one for Hand/Cimber.
gilgunderson
Jesse Foppert. Sigh. He had a lot of potential. I was at the game where he blew out his arm, and he never returned to the bigs after that.
mrnatewalter
So, your last example is from 9 seasons ago. You realize baseball has changed in it’s valuation of young players dramatically in that time, right?
mrnatewalter
Let’s go through 2010-2018, just for further depth:
2010- Brian Matusz
2011- Julio Teheran
2012- Julio Teheran (again)
2013- Jose Fernandez
2014- Javier Baez
2015- Corey Seager
2016- Lucas Giolito
2017- Gleyber Torres
2018- Victor Robles
After 2011, it seems every #5 guy has been a pretty good baseball player.
hiflew
I was being fair because those picks are pretty much set as to how good their career has been. More recent prospects can still go either way.
hiflew
The phrase I am going to stick with is “too early to tell” for these guys. But for argument’s sake, let’s look a little more closely at your list.
The only player on that list I would call a superstar is Baez. And even he is a little too early to tell. Good start though. Fernandez gets an asterisk because while he had a great start to his career, you never know how he would have ended up. He could have become Clayton Kershaw, he could have become Stan Bahnsen or anything in between. He could also have ended up like Teheran, who is a decent player, but once again not really a superstar. He’s right about the same as Ben Sheets or Homer Bailey. Matusz was nothing special, had a few good moments, but overall just an ordinary player. Seager had a good couple of years, but so did Stephen Drew. Anything can happen in his prime. He is a big reason why you don’t look at recent prospects. Lucas Giolito has done nothing in his career yet, but I’ll chalk that up to being too early to tell as well. Gleyber is literally 6 months into his career, anything can happen there. He could be great, he could be Pat Listach. Too early to tell. Robles has played 13 games at the big league level. I’m not even going to bother saying anything about that.
Little Whirl
This is all a highly arbitrary exercise to begin with, but that is Lucas Giolito’s name up there, right?
jbigz12
Law is the highest on Mejia. He’s a consensus top 20 prospect though. Haven’t seen anyone else put him nearly that high.
imindless
Are you an special? One of dodgers prospects what in top 50 cleveland just gave up a top 15 prospect for two good not great relievers. Already to much of an overpay.
hiflew
Horrible trade for the Padres. This has Anderson Espinoza written all over it. There is a reason that trades have always been multiple prospects for an actual big leaguer. It’s because there are no guarantees with prospects and getting multiples means you have a better chance of one of them working out for you. One injury to Mejia and the Padres are back to rebuilding yet again.
bleacherbum
No it doesn’t, Espinoza was acquired for Pomeranz after he got off to a hot start, Padres were just trying to cash in on a guy who started using a pitch a lot more and increased his value. They were overwhelmed by an offer and took it, Espinoza will have far more of a imprint in San Diego Padres history than Drew Pomeranz ever will, best believe that.
hiflew
Okay. So you think I “best believe” that the guy that in 2+ seasons has pitched 8 games with a 4.73 in low A for the Padres is going to have a huge imprint in the history of the franchise. Come back when you have a little more than that.
jbigz12
Pomeranz pitched half a season in SD. I would imagine Espinoza will have more of an imprint. All he has to do is pitch a full year…… Pomeranz is a FA after next year. Espinoza might not work out but Pomeranz certainly didn’t fit their window. Any prospect is a question mark, no matter what the experts ranked them.
hiflew
Once again, he has pitched 8 mediocre games at the low A level two years ago and nothing since. I think even getting a full year is asking a lot.
jbigz12
He’s 20 years old and recovering from TJ. His star has dimmed but why are you closing the book on him? That’s crazy.
bleacherbum
Exactly, that’s ludicrous. Espinoza was pointed out by Pedro Martinez himself when he was an advisor at Red Sox camp 3 years ago and he said who is that guy right there? One of the scouts said Anderson Espinoza. Pedro goes, he reminds me of me, So with that being said if Espinoza can have half the career that Pedro had in pretty sure the name Drew Pomeranz becomes a distant memory.
bleacherbum
Give him time, I think they eventual bullpen/rotation in 2020 will be.
1. Cal Quantrill
2. Chris Paddack
3. Joey Lucchesi
4. Dinelson Lamet
5. Eric Lauer
6. Anderson Espinoza will be very close, his rehab combined with finishing his tour through the system puts him as a mid season call up. Lamet might have an innings limit being his first full year back from TJ so maybe Espinoza slides into the rotation at some point then.
Logan Allen, Jacob Nix and Adrian Morejon should be hovering around waiting for an opportunity. Could see Nix settling into a bullpen role due to a full staff.
mrpadre19
The Padres have the #1 Farm system “before” this trade.If Mejia gets hurt that doesn’t change.Besides……when your Farm system is as deep as the Padres is you no longer take quantity over quality.
At this point it’s all about upside!
bleacherbum
Yup, Quality trumps Quantity when you system is as stacked as the Padres. Or as Scott Boras would say, moreeeeee LAVA!
hiflew
Are you 2 twins or something?
bleacherbum
Francisco Mejia is the number 15 prospect in all of Minor League Baseball. One more time, #15. Acquired for a reliever signed to a very team friendly contract and a rookie submarine reliever.
I will take that all day everyday as a Padres fan. One more puzzle piece.
Now time to explore deals for Stammen, Ross, Galvis and possibly Spangenberg or Pirela.
bleacherbum
Apples to Oranges ayrbhoy, Machado is arguably the 3rd best player in all of Major League Baseball, acquiring the rights to him should and was steep. He is a peak performer, MVP caliber player, to compare a return for a player like that to a reliever, no matter how dominant that reliever might be isn’t fair. The Padres got what they could for him, Mejia didn’t make sense in the organization he played for and Hand didn’t make sense closing games out for a team 20 games under .500 good deal for both sides.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
Also, only one of those prospects in the Machado trade was within top-100 lists. The Padres likely went with quality over quantity in this trade.
bleacherbum
Yup, Cimber is a non factor honestly.
This deal was Brad Hand for Francisco Mejia. Both sides should be happy.
Cimber is the mint on the checkbook after you get the bill. Kind of like an “oh that’s nice”. Lol
mrnatewalter
Cimber has been better than Brad Hand. 1.1 fWAR vs.0.7.
bleacherbum
Let Brad Hand pitch in lower leverage situations and let Cimber close games and then reevaluate those metrics. I watch every Padres game, Cimber is effective with his deception but guys have been making a lot better contact on him as of late.
TheIncident
Cimber’s fWar is also helped because he was pitching 3 innings at a time during their bullpen games. Cimber is good, but Hand is the more valuable pitcher in this deal.
bucketheadsdad
If Cimber means that Josh Tomlin can get a jump start on his coaching career, then he is going to be a huge asset.
mrnatewalter
The point I’m trying to make is that so many are saying Cimber “evens” out the trade, or is a non-factor.
He’s been absolutely stellar and should be a solid 6th or 7th inning reliever in Cleveland (who, by the way, are just as important).
Little Whirl
To be fair, WAR – in my opinion, at least – doesn’t really capture the impact of high leverage relievers. Not even remotely. That and the notoriously unreliable defensive components (particularly in season) are a couple hindrances to an otherwise informative metric.
bleacherbum
Okay I see that and can agree. I think because Cimber kind of came out of nowhere in spring training that he was never really a part of the teams plans so I’m glad that Cleveland is planning to use him and that he will be a part of their future going forward, he has all of his options remaining too which is nice. They can move him up and down the next 5 seasons as they please.
Hey don’t get me wrong, this is as good as a trade gets. It helps both teams. I hate when people use the term fleece because that shouldn’t happen, teams should slide assets around to better suit other teams that can use them in that particular moment. Padres will re-pay these fees down the road when they are good and are buyers at the deadline for once.
iverbure
5 prospects within the dodgers top 30? Ummm no. One guy has been in the minors for 7 years. Another was outside the top 30. And the other two were like 26th and 29th or something.
So they traded Machado 3 top 30 prospects. Dont get caught up on prospect rankings. The padres have one of the best systems for example their 50th rank prospect could be better than whichever team has the worst system.
alexryanperry
IDK about 50th, but many of the guys in our top 30 would be no. 1 in a bad system.
MurderersRow27
Only 3 of the prospects the Orioles acquired from the Dodgers were ranked in the Dodgers top 30 prospects. The big get for the Orioles was Diaz. Jim Callis this morning said the Orioles return was kind of underwhelming, that they got quantity over quality and probably could’ve gotten 2 top-100 prospects for Machado if the Orioles waited another week or 2… It’s possible that Diaz was the best/highest ranked prospect that anyone had offered for Machado and the Orioles felt that he was the guy to headline the package. He was the Dodgers 3rd or 4th best prospect, and he easily becomes the Orioles top prospect now (their farm system is pretty bad, bottom 5-7 of MLB most likely).
ERLking
*Cimber
jdgoat
“The Padres aren’t going to get a Chapman like return for Hand”
bleacherbum
Cleveland’s bullpen is going to be filthy in October. The game ends after the bottom of the 5th now when they reveal some of those arms down in the pen.
Gobbysteiner
They didn’t….
jbigz12
They didn’t? It was a 2 for 1 and Mejia isn’t Torres.
jdgoat
Mejia is ranked higher than Torres was at the time of the trade. All the other pieces in the Chapman trade were throw in or salary dumps and were doing nothing in Chicago.
jbigz12
Mejia and Torres are comparable prospects but the other guys weren;t throw ins. Mckinney was a former first rounder who had posted solid minor league seasons. Warren was bad in chicago and Crawford was a lottery ticket throw in. I can’t imagine Warren was making anymore than a million dollars back then. He’s only making 3 now.
Priggs89
Mejia and Torres are comparable prospects IF Mejia can stick at catcher, which is a big if.
jdgoat
I could’ve swore Warren costed money but I’m probably wrong. McKinney has a slugging percentage in the mid .300’s and had lost a lot of the value he once had.
padreforlife
Cimber stinks so basically 1-1.
Friarfaithful117
Cimber has been more than serviceable this season. What stats support that he stinks?
mrnatewalter
1.1 fWAR, which is good for the 20th best reliever in baseball this year.
Braveslifer
This and Machado may open the floodgates…
padreforlife
Medical records to be examined lol
lonestardodger
How is Mejia the only return for even Hand alone?
bleacherbum
Because he is an elite prospect and Hand is a reliever.
Chapman situation was isolated. The Padres got a very good baseball player this morning. Don’t knit pick a deal that made both organizations better.
morebreakdowns
I miss Big Papi and Mike Yank, all time commenters
Michael Chaney
To get Hand and another good young reliever for just Mejia thrills me as an Indians fan. I feel like Mejia had started to fall out of favor with the Indians anyway, especially given that Francona publicly said he wasn’t putting enough effort into being an outfielder.
murphy
There we go folks.
When someone gets traded the fanbase turns on them.
darkstar61
No fan turned on anyone – Michael pointed out Franconia’s comments and said the organization seemed to have started turning on him recently.
mrnatewalter
Nah, this is a classic justification fans try to use to make the trade a “win” for their team.
Cubs fans did it with Gleyber Torres when they traded him. Heck, they still do it.
darkstar61
What exactly is the justification? He isn’t saying Mejia isn’t good in any way. He’s saying that Tito had a personal issue with him over what Tit wanted, which indicated the club was likely opening up to moving him in a deal – as they just did.
Michael’s comment reads as “team telegraphed this” not “Mejia sucks anyway”
Michael Chaney
@darkstar61 Don’t use facts. People don’t understand them.
Polish Hammer
And all of this was well reported in the recent past leading up to any trade. He was offered the RF job in Cleveland but his reluctance kept him in AAA as the catcher he believed he was. I did not think they were going to trade him at the beginning of the season but as time went on it was obvious. I also thought they recalled him last weekend just to spite the kid as he missed the Futures Game just to sit on the bench in Cleveland.
Mattimeo09
There we go folks.
One example is enough to make it official
bleacherbum
Right? It’s pathetic. Just shake hands and move on.
Michael Chaney
Lmao no…I’ve been willing to trade him for a while. I posted on a thread on here a while ago that Francona called him out, and I always thought his value exceeded what he’d actually become. But whatever helps you look tough.
Michael Chaney
Have you seen all the comments about other Padres fans pointing out that Hand has gotten hit harder lately?
bleacherbum
Ask Yan Gomes how that curveball looked the other night in the All-Star game. I don’t think the Indians are worried about the pitcher they got today. Nice try though.
DVail1979
I bet this is exactly what AJ Prellar was envisioning happening when he signed Hand to that extension …. this just worked out 100% perfectly for Prellar ….
bleacherbum
Exactly.
And what’s cool about it all is that Indians fans are okay with parting with what most organizations would complain about. This is about as fair as a deal gets. Even when I was spit balling teams that made sense for Hand, a lot of the deals just seemed forced or not clean. This one works well for both parties.
TheIncident
Only bad thing I can think of is if this will hurt chances to re-sign players early with team friendly deals. First Solarte and now Hand have been traded shortly after signing extensions. Still like the trade for the Padres.
bleacherbum
Yeah but you know what, you just gave that player lifetime security months prior to trading them. So yeah you are uprooting their families but you also put them in a situation that .0001 percent of the world get to experience, which is financial freedom.
Solarte was gracious out the door about how the organization treated him and his family and how he will be forever grateful.
The thing with San Diego is that they usually have these situation where they have to take chances on guys that other organizations pass up on, which in turn makes it a bitter sweet day when they are successful again and then traded. With that being said the player usually is forever indebted to the organization because of the opportunity provided when no one else would.
I see Brad feeling similarly.
bleacherbum
I don’t see this stopping other guys from signing extensions. Trades are a part of the game.
everlastingdave
Sure did. Everyone wants to arbitrage a waiver claim into a top prospect and Preller made it happen.
cf24lh
Its a good pickup for the tribe. Only complaint I have is every trade seems to be regarded as a blockbuster trade on this site. Given Machados star status in the game that could maybe be classified blockbuster with all the players involved. This trade while a great pickup is a trade, not a blockbuster trade, Kluber for Kershaw, that would be a blockbuster trade.
bruinsfan94 2
This is a blockbuster move. One of the top prospects in baseball for two legit bullpen arms. Kluber for Kershaw is just stupid.
iverbure
New fans think teams actually discuss those type of trades. Those type of deals pretty much don’t exist anymore. It’s rebuilding club trading away pricey star or veteran for cheap prospects. Clearing $$$ always the most important right now with the lux tax. New fans don’t understand that.
ASapsFables
This is a huge move for the Indians who have had problems with their bullpen in the first half. They now have three solid late inning relievers who all have closing experience. Coupled with their fine rotation the Indians now become even more of a factor heading into the postseason.
Getting Hand also keeps him from going to the Astros who have had their own bullpen issues this season with former closer Ken Giles optioned to AAA last week. Houston is now relying on Hector Rondon to be their closer down the stretch and heading into the playoffs barring another acquisition by the trade deadline.
Gobbysteiner
Thought brad hand was the best closer in baseball and he warranted McKenzie and Mejia+ by himself? Guess he’s not so valuable after all.
Little Whirl
I think either one of those prospects would’ve been a fine return in a deal where Brad Hand was the centerpiece. Strangely enough, that’s exactly what happened.
bleacherbum
ssshhhhh. Don’t intentionally start drama. Nobody on here suggested the Padres should get McKenzie and Mejia. That’s asinine. You are just trying to stir the pot dude.
Gobbysteiner
Nah. Redrooster and a few others suggested hand should net guys like Whitley, Mejia AND McKenzie, acuna, Torres, etc. one guy literally said Ian Happ and like the cubs top 4 prospects was “nowhere near getting it done”. You should go back and look at some of the comments, they’re pretty funny
politicsNbaseball
Yeah I have to agree with you, people on here were going nuts for this guy.
bleacherbum
Oh god. That’s crazy. As one of a few Padres fans on here I wish we could behave and not be one of those fan bases that totally over-value their prospects. It’s not a good look. The Padres future got a lot brighter today, that should be all that matters honestly. There is also one 40 man spot and cough cough, that little second baseman down at El Paso could be in the Major League lineup tomorrow night in Philadelphia.
need_a_no-no_pads
No real Padre fan listens to Redrooster. We’re all convinced that Redrooster is a second username to the infamous WestCoastRyan. Either way, both of those guys are constantly stirring the pot and making asinine claims.
Gobbysteiner
Yea I actually am hoping the padres turn out good as a giants fan, want that rivalry to grow. But it’s just funny looking back at some of the proposals that people were throwing out.
Padres2019ha
I’ll actually stand up for WestcoastRyan/Redrooster.
No one that I saw proposed Hand for both. Adding Yates and a prospect for both was proposed, but never for both. I proposed Hand+Yates+Gettys for Mejia and McKenzie.
CobiEven
I was looking for Redrooster aka WCR here. I guess I should not be surprised he is a no-show.
RedRooster
please please please please PLEASE point out where I said Hand should net Mejia and McKenzie! I never said that. And Mejia is pretty close to Whitley so it looks like i was right on the money about Hand being worth a prospect of that caliber. I would have preferred Whitley based on positional need, but oh well.
RedRooster
Well I will yet again deny that I am west coast ryan, but I do find this kind of speculation to be entertaining.
Now what asinine claim did I supposedly make?
RedRooster
No no-show’s here. Dodgers still aren’t going to extend Manny Machado.
Padres2019ha
Another pitcher?
Padres2019ha
Ya, you’re.no way near as annoying as WCR
Gobbysteiner
Whitley is nowhere near Mejia. Mejia is a solid top 20 prospect. Whitley is the best pitching prospect in the game. And you said any discussion for hand “starts with Whitley” implying that it would be Whitley plus. In fact, it was hand plus another good young reliever for one prospect, so yeah you really weren’t on the money at all
SixFlagsMagicPadres
There were multiple Padres fans here (myself included) who thought Hand would bring back one pretty good top-100 prospect plus possibly a lesser lotto ticket. It turns out they got Mejia, a pretty darn good top-100 prospect. The only people who were stating he’d bring back Chapman-like returns are trolls and people looking to start arguments.
sufferforsnakes
Hmmmm, so who gets moved out of the current pen? Otero? McAllister?
chive
I would think both are gone and Cimber is added. If not Olsson to balance it back out lefty vs righty.
sufferforsnakes
Oh, I forgot one that really needs to go, but who Francona loves—Josh Tomlin.
indiansfan44
Remember Tomlin is on the DL right now so at least for now he won’t be part of the moves and they would still need to open 2 spots in the pen. I don’t believe they would need to clear any 40 man slots though with Mejia opening 1 and Merrit another.
Solaris601
Further evidence that Tomlin was placed on the DL with a phantom injury. Tribe FO knew this deal was going down so they stashed him on the 10-day. Only delays the inevitable because no matter what a great guy/gamer/teammate/solid citizen Tomlin is, all that together doesn’t compensate for the fact that he’s completely ineffective on the mound. He needs his unconditional release, and everyone knows it.
Bart
The best Hand job ever in Cleveland. Nice acquisitions Tribe.
bleacherbum
Yup.
atlho
BIG deal for the Tribe and Pads!
bleacherbum
Agreed, as a Padre fan I am really stoked. I am also happy for Brad Hand, you always want to see the guys that compete like no other get a chance to do it on the big stage.
I wish Hand success in Cleveland because as Padre fan you want guys that get traded to have success with their new team. At the end of the day it’s a business and when teams deal with teams they get good product from, they will return. Just like we would to business that always offer us good services in return.
Kylesamac
Brad Hand to the Astros memes are dead, the stale dead memes, excuse me while i moron their loss.
Bjoe
Cleveland will regret trading Mejia
Little Whirl
Tis possible – and maybe even probable, Francisco Mejia can hit no matter where he plays – but their current window is wide open and this practically undoubtedly improves their depth chart. It’s tough to break in a rookie backstop on a WS contender, particularly one who might not stay at the position long term. I like it for both teams, especially considering Cleveland’s financial position relative to many other markets.
iverbure
I like this deal a lot better for the Indians. They need pen arms now and next year while their window for contention is closing.
Padres gave Hosmer all that money to finish last this year and now are trading away Hand who controllable beyond this year for a great hitting prospect who doesn’t have a position? Seems risky.
sufferforsnakes
Their window for contending is now wide open again.
Thomas.Swanson
Hahahahahaha that’s funny
mlbfan1978
So who take the two 25 man roster spots in SD? Uriah? Mejia? He could play 3rd. Already have 3 catchers on the Mlb roster.
TheIncident
I’m thinking Mejia to AAA until Ellis is traded. Then bring him up and give him time at catcher and 3rd. Lopez’ days are numbered. For now, they’ll bring up two of the relievers that have been yo-yoing between AAA/MLB.
bleacherbum
I was thinking it’s probably time we see Luis Urias now. He looked good in the AAA All-Star game that was on MLB network last night. I expect him to get added to the 40 man and promoted before tomorrow game in Philly.
Rickey O'Sunnyvale
Congrats Padres. What a get!
mbgutt
Recovering Pittsburgh fan who roots for Cleveland because front office maximizing its window of opportunity! Go Tribe!
all in ad
Hedges has to hit. They just sent him a message. Switch hitter a plus. Villanueva leading team in HR…the new kid might play there a little….I prefer spangenberg because of speed. Margot is bigger concern right now. 5 tools potential….1 tool actual.
bleacherbum
Hedges was sent a big message this morning when that notification came across his phone that Mejia is on the way.
coachbrad
And that message was, “You’re the backup catcher.”
SixFlagsMagicPadres
Yeah this is a wake-up call to Hedges for sure. Though I feel like Mejia will end up playing at 3B or corner OF. Villanueva is nothing more than a stopgap until they find a longer-term solution, and it’s possible the outfield logjam will be getting cleared up in the near future through trades. As for Margot, they put way too much pressure on him before the season to become some breakout star and it clearly affected him. He still has time to figure it all out, but it’s definitely concerning.
tylerpadre89
I’m a big padres and Indians fan. Love the trade for Cleveland but preller wanted a big package for hand and I like Mejia but felt he could’ve acquired one two more minor league pieces kinda a risk trading a good trade chip for him. Hope I’m wrong though!
bleacherbum
He probably could have held out for one more interesting guy at the bottom of Cleveland’s top 30 list, but why? Stop the speculation, get a deal done and now you have Hand for a week and a half earlier than anyone probably expected him to get dealt. The Padres have probably had that ask on the table for weeks now and possibly after watching Hand in the All-Star game, Cleveland was just like yeah we need that over here and called to accept the deal. No need to get greedy on the Padres end. Take Mejia and watch him flourish with the young up and coming core. More LAVA.
gilgunderson
Aloha, Mr. Hand!
Little Whirl
Awesome! Totally awesome!!
Thomas Bliss
The dominos are starting to fall. First Manny and now this one. Who next?
Little Whirl
Why, you guessed it….
Frank Stallone
Thomas Bliss
Just wondering what the ChiSox are going to do
dvmwitt
For everyone that thinks the Padres got too little in return, remember our system is so deep, we needed a quality hitter. We do not need quantity. We already will be having a number’s crunch the next several years as far as the rule 5.
I’m ok with the get. Mejia looks to have enough hitting skills to warrant the trade.
TheIncident
People complaining are delusional. Mejia is a top 20 prospect by all analysts (even #5 on ESPN) who is ready to contribute in 2019 or even earlier. Hand and Cimber are good, but we have lots of bullpen depth and low on quality LH bats in majors and prospects.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
Agreed. The “quality over quantity” approach is exactly what they need to be doing now with how deep the farm has become.
AstrosWS20
Wow, I know Mejia is the #5 prospect in baseball and is a premium position guy, but 3+ years of Hand and 5+ years of Cimber for one prospect is a lot. I would’ve expected the Padres to demand a lower level lottery ticket included as well just to make it look a bit better. Sometimes GMs don’t like receiving just one player because if the main player you get doesn’t work out then there’s one other player to act as a lottery ticket and bail them out from making a bust of a trade.
pdubs2907
Like many have said, I like this deal for both sides. Ya it hurts a little to only get one prospect, but it’s a top 10 prospect so it makes sense. And while Mejia MAY not stick at catcher, it’s not like he’s considered a disaster back there if you want him to play some catcher. He’s not Schwarber who can’t play defense anywhere.
javier 3
FUTURE PADRES LINEUP
LF-Manuel Margot
CF-Buddy Reed
SS-Fernando Tatis Jr.
RF-Franchy Cordero
1B-Josh Naylor
2B-Luis Urias
3B-Esteury Ruiz
C-Francisco Mejia
P
Anyone agree?
trident
Why are Myers and Hosmer left out? I don’t see Margot sticking around long term.
eduardoaraisa98
I think it will look more like this
Starting Lineup:
2B Luis Urias R
SS Fernando Tatis Jr. R
1B Eric Hosmer L
LF Will Myers R
3B Francisco Mejia S
RF Hunter Renfroe R
C Austin Hedges R
CF Manuel Margot R
trident
Mejia at 3rd?
eduardoaraisa98
I know the Padres want him behind the plate, but I also read he has some experience at third. I just don’t know what they will do with Hedges if Mejia gets the starting spot, I wouldn’t want them to bench him or trade him even though he’s hitting below average, because he’s still an outstanding catcher. Besides, the Padres need a future everyday third baseman, Villanueva struggles a lot with RHP and Ruiz isn’t expected to make it to the majors until 2021. I think they should put him at third, just like the Giants did with Pablo Sandoval.
justin-turner overdrive
I can also see SD flipping him.
Padres2019ha
Me too
Polish Hammer
If Mejia were a 3B or RF option he’d have been playing in Cleveland all season and would not have been dealt. As he insists, he’s strictly a catcher and would rather toil in AAA behind the plate then play in the field in the majors.
jbigz12
I’m surprised Mejia did that. If for no other reason than salary alone. That ML salary looks a lot better than the one at AAA but I guess it all worked out for him
imindless
Team is still bad. Lol collectively this squad is 4/5 place team. I dunno if pads will ever be as good as the rest in the division.
justin-turner overdrive
Unless Urias and Tatis have .900+ OPS each, that’s a 90 loss team lol
coachbrad
So many things have to go right for that to be a contending team in the division. Even when flooded with injuries the Dodgers, Giants and DBacks are deeper. And the Padres are going to have to part with some of that talent to divorce themselves from Myers and Hosmer.
Not saying it’s impossible, just that it ain’t as rosy as some are hoping.
RedRooster
Diamondbacks have no farm system and are about to lose their entire core to free agency over the next two offseasons. Giants are going the way of the 2014 Phillies. Dodgers are the only undisputed competition in the division. Rather be there than in either of the east divisions.
Phillies2017
I agree but the Dbacks system has some sneaky talent. Obviously its no top tier system but its not quite as barren as its made out to be.
coachbrad
DBacks have premium pieces to move or extend if they choose. And money. Giants too.
Say what you want about those teams but Sabean and Hazen are professionals and neither team will be down long.
RedRooster
Beyond 2019 I’d much rather be a Padres fan than either of those two.
Diamondbacks actually have very limited payroll space and they will probably be looking to spend most of it on Paul Goldschmidt.
Phillies had just as much money as the Giants. That didn’t stop them from sucking for most of this decade. Excessive loyalty to their aging former All Stars is gonna hurt them.
sheff86
Surprised. Why didn’t it drag out like the manny trade?
bleacherbum
Add another coal to the HOT LAVA.
playicy
What a great trade for the Indians and man is the padres stupid they should’ve asked for triston McKenzie and other top Indians prospects! This was a steal for the Indians call the San Diego police for robbery
MiserablePadreFan
Great trade for the Padres! Looking at Mejia’s minor league stats, his K-rate is LOW. Padres need guys that strikeout less. Thumbs up here.
Caseys.Partner
“Though he’s hit for plenty of power in the Major Leagues (.250 ISO), Austin Hedges’ overall batting line through 730 trips to the plate sits at .205/.253/.355. ”
.150 ISO
One hundred fifty, not 250.
darkstar61
Really surprised at this. That is 9 or more years worth or fantastic looking relief pitching for just one prospect.
Mejia looks great and Padres will likely be thrilled with him, but Cleveland received so much control for merely 6 years of one still unproven at ML level prospect
raef715
Cleveland has Hand, and they’re going to need it.
Sounds reasonable for both sides- if Mejia can stick behind the plate, he can be a star, but there is enough doubt about that where it makes sense for Cleveland to move him for assets to help now, since they are pretty strong behind the plate, while SD takes a chance on a great return.
Thomas.Swanson
Fast forward to 2022….Francisco Mejia dealt for 3 prospects as Padres 21 games out at break lol.
Padres2019ha
Lol Thomas Swanson Lol!
Geek
Thomas.Swanson
Lol Padres are the ML holding spot for the rest of the league, perpetual cellar dwellers….haven’t been relevant in 15 yrs
cincinnatikid
For all the mlb trade rumor gurus who swore Cleveland would never trade Mejia for a reliever you all were dead wrong. I just wish it had been Cincinnati instead
norcalblue
Would you have traded Iglesias and Garrett for Mejia? Would the Reds’ FO?
Polish Hammer
Nobody said that, it was the idiotic homers that kept saying it was going to be Mejia AND McKenzie both going in one deal and that was never going to happen.
Gwynning's Anal Lover
Do you think that was overpay for Francisco Mejia?
lowtalker1
Padres need a third baseman. They got plenty to trade still
Polish Hammer
And with Mejia they still need a 3B…
bbatardo
Wow Padres went for quality over quantity and with their stacked farm and 40 man crunch coming up soon it was the right move.
Lou Klimchock
Now CLE needs a big bat! Great trade for both clubs.
lowtalker1
This is a great move not just for the Indians but also the padres. I feel this is a fair trade for both sides.
Climber came out of nowhere in the spring and hand has been really bad but then really good for a top 15 prospect
dvmwitt
Glad we traded Hand now before he continued to implode. 7 ER in last 9 innings, including 2 blown saves and one blown lead….ugh. Welcome Mejia!
Polish Hammer
Dimwit good luck with Mejia!
norcalblue
Mejia pissed off the Indians when he balked at playing the OF. Based on talent and position scarcity, the Indians overpaid in this deal; but, they got rid of a guy they no longer viewed as someone they wanted to be part of their future.
Polish Hammer
Bingo!
MrStealYoBase
It’s too bad Avi Garcia has been injured for the White Sox. If he had been healthy (and hitting bombs like he did in late June/early July) all season, I could have seen a package of him and Soria prying away a guy like Nolan Jones from the tribe. Both those guys could help them out considerably this year while Jones is still 2-3 years out from the Majors. Would have lined up with Chicago’s window nicely.
jay66
Padres fleeced the Indians
you gave away your #1 prospect for BP help
sorry still not better than Yankees Astros or Sox. coulda got Machado with this possibly
norcalblue
I’m inclined to think you are correct jay66. Not alot of young catchers with Mejia’s upside–maybe none. Good deal by the Padres. Cleveland just better pray that these relievers aren’t damaged.
jbigz12
There’s no possibly. Definitely could’ve had Machado and probably Britton but the Indians would’ve needed some cash eaten to that. I’m happy w Diaz + and Sisco was a top C prospect just a season ago.
justin-turner overdrive
I think the Indians absolutely destroyed the Padres on this deal, and the Padres could have gotten so much more than a bad defensive catcher in return.
cwsOverhaul
Liking the probability of this turning out better for Padres. Hand switching to AL and not in as pitcher friendly a park as Petco could make him look like a lesser bullpen arm than he has been.
Brixton
Think the AL vs NL narrative is a bit overblown for relievers. It’s not like Hand ever faces a pitcher hitting. Facing 7-8-9 in a good NL lineup is probably the same as a
good AL lineup.
Hand’s GB% is slightly above average, so dont think HRs are gonna be the biggest issue ever
cwsOverhaul
Well, Hand gives up a 2 run HR in first appearance at Texas. No surprise. The AL is going to be a rough go for him.
mattynokes
This is a great deal for Cleveland. Maybe even more so for the future with Allen and Miller leaving. With Gomes in place for (likely) a few more years, Mejia Just didn’t have a place on Cleveland’s roster in the near future.
Priggs89
Wait. I thought Hand was going to bring back Mejia AND McKenzie?
jbigz12
ONLY if they brought in longtime elite fireman Kirby Yates? C’mon don’t you remember? All jokes aside, this is a good return for the Padres. No pads fan should be disappointed by this. Cleveland got the top LHP available to pair with Miller and they have a guy who can close after this season.
Padres2019ha
Yates is nasty and cheap for 3+ years. Ya dam right he’s valuable. Possibly the next hand but cheaper. So ya, Mejia and Mackenzie for Hand, Yates and a high upside prospect like Gettys seems legit
leftcoaster
Who goes next? Purely for fun, do you think the Mets would take Verdugo, May and Keibert Ruiz for Syndergaard?
seamaholic 2
Yes but Dodgers don’t
jbigz12
I don’t know why the Dodgers wouldn’t. Syndergaard gives you another ace, all for the cost of some minor leaguers. They’d still have Buehler, Stripling, Wood, and Kershaw to round out that rotation. Maeda could go the pen where he’s been excellent.
Polish Hammer
Funny how all the Padres homers thought they were going to get Mejia and McKenzie.
beersy
Pretty sure all of those “Padres homers” were including Yates in any of their trade ideas. I don’t recall seeing any: Hand for Mejia&McKenzie straight up.
jbigz12
Well Yates for Mckenzie is pretty bad.
beersy
You never know, Hand for Mejia soundd “pretty bad” last year. If the Padres are asking as much for Yates as is being thrown around, I could see them hanging onto him, letting him close for a year and then see what they can get next deadline. He could be Brad Hand 2.0.
jbigz12
You do never know but you don’t pay that price after half a season. Preller can ask for it but it’s hard to give up that kind of return for a guy with only a half season of this kind of performance
Polish Hammer
Now time for the Tribe to dump Otero and Tomlinson from the pen since they just added two pieces back there,
steelerbravenation
Stop with the Padres have the best farm system nonsense they still don’t rank with the Braves or the Yankees distant 3rd.
The Orioles love this deal because the Astros are going to have to defiantly overpay for Britton now.
Britton & Jones should bring back a couple quality guys back not saying top 5 organizational prospects but could see somewhere in the 5-10 range for either of them.
Great get for the Padres next up Tyson Ross.
jbigz12
Jones isn;t going to bring back much of anything. Too much salary owed and he;s below average as a CF. I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he’d be an above average LF defensively but his bat isn’t all that exciting in LF. He’s a nice addition and a good clubhouse guy but he’s not going to bring us home anything too interesting. Britton certainly could.
Friarfaithful117
Braves may have an edge with their farm system depending on preference but the Padres have a better system than the Yankees.
Tatis Jr. > Florial handily
Gore = Sheffield Upside vs proximity
Quantrill < Abreu
But,
Urias, Mejia, Baez, Morejon, Allen, Paddack, Espinoza are all Top 100 on MLB Pipeline. No other Yankees are on the list. Fangraphs also rates the Padres prospects much higher than the Yankees.
lowtalker1
Padres are undistributed number 1
Maybe 1.5 years ago braves were number one but they got players that have sense graduated
Fried isn’t any good that’s why the padres got rid of him to the braves
RedRooster
How is Justin Upton doing for the Padres these days?
Phillies2017
Hudson Potts is still a decent enough prospect.
(Upton comp pick)
dvmwitt
Lol you are about the only one who thinks that. Fangraphs and MLB.com had them as #1 even before Mejia. Now this catapults them.
Polish Hammer
You should go back into fangraphs and read the article on Mejia and what they think of him.
Padres2019ha
Gosh you dum
RedRooster
“defiantly”
lowtalker1
No they won’t
Britton is a rental
Hand was under cheap control
tommyelf
Good trade…wish it had been the Reds sending Iglesias to the Indians for Mejia….but ya snooze, ya lose…
bradthebluefish
Padres snagged Mejia. Great trade on the Padres part.
Indians do have three years of control on Hand, but I don’t trust a relief pitcher who’s been terrific for only a short while. Mejia is someone who could become a franchise player. That’s huge.
RedRooster
Didn’t know 2.5 seasons is “only a short while.”
Dodgers13
What a great trade for San Diego although one would think they could maybe get another decent prospect for 3 years of Hand, not to mention the pretty effective Cimber.
Brad Hand was definitely a top reliever on the market and I was hoping the Dodgers might be able to make a inter-division agreement for him, but with him dealt I would hope the Dodgers would pursue the Reds Iglesias, the Padre’s Kirby Yates or Craig Stammen, or one of Miami’s three effective relievers. They will most likely have to package a prospect or two with a major leaguer such as Forsythe or possibly Puig in order to execute the deal while staying under the luxury tax threshold. The Dodgers could also pursue Familia and Britton but considering they just gutted their system for Machado I would hope they woudn’t get another rental
coachbrad
Diaz was the only prospect. The other guys are lottery pics/organizational depth. Hardly “gutted”.
Adolpho67
Not true! Kremer and Brannon are legit prospects…unless you can throw away 100 mph SP and 30 HR 3rd baseman.
Knowthemarket
What you meant to say is a fast ball that sits at 91-95 and can touch 97 for Kremer. Branon hit 20 HR and not 30 and that was at A ball. Except Diaz, there was nobody even located in the Dodgers top 15 prospects. Not gutted at all.
Adolpho67
Ha! Where are the Padre fans now that insisted Hand was worth Javy Baez plus?! Hello reality!
Padres2019ha
That was last year, before his breakout. But yes,would have loved Baez. No to Happ though. k machine
justin-turner overdrive
That still is reality, it’s just this trade was wildly unfair to SD, like on an unreal level. Mejia isn’t a C.
RedRooster
That’s fine. Padres didn’t really need a catcher anyway.
bleacherbum
Yeah they don’t, what this gives them is roster flexibility. Mejia can catch a night game on a Saturday night at Petco and then play third base 12 hours later in the Sunday day game while Hedges catches.
It sucks to have one of the best young defensive catchers this game has seen in a while as your backup – said: no one ever.
Depth, depth, depth. More Lava.
Polish Hammer
And if he truly wanted to play anywhere else but catcher he’d have been in Cleveland full time long ago at RF/3B but he insisted he was a catcher. So Cleveland wouldn’t have dealt him either. Good luck with him.
jbigz12
If Mejia isn’t behind the plate he’s not a top 20 prospect either.
darkstar61
Doubt he’s a top 100 if he’s not behind the plate
Bryzzo2016
Nice get for the Tribe! You have to assume Miller will come back and be his typical dominant self, Cody Allen should also end up around his career norms as well. This pen will be scary in the postseason!
bleacherbum
I hope Brad Hand thrives with Cleveland. Good dude, Good story, I’ll be pulling for him still as a Padre fan. He remained classy through all of this. Much respect.
Knowthemarket
This is crazy that the Indians gave up not just a top 20 prospect but the best catching prospect in baseball which makes him even more valuable. I’m grateful the Braves didn’t surrender the price to get Hand. It would have cost us Kyle Wright.
bigdog3300
Not crazy at all; he had no position. He has off field issues and has only had 1 month with an OBP over .296 since last June.
lowtalker1
Not crazy about Kyle Wright but a package of Riley headlining for Yates would intrigue me
bleacherbum
Check my proposal out below.
beersy
This trade makes too much sense for both sides. The Indians needed bullpen help in the worst way, had a prospect catcher that was blocked, and made a deal to acquire a very good reliever during their window of opportunity. The Padres are still in a rebuild, had a very good reliever (which Balsley seems to find every year) and made a deal to acquire a top 25 hitting prospect to add to their great farm system to help them a couple years down the line when their window opens.
Phillies2017
Mejia is a tough pill to swallow for Cleveland
Polish Hammer
How long can you hold back your top prospect at a position not in need? He wasn’t a team player and wouldn’t play elsewhere to play in the majors until the logjam at catcher worked its way out. And personally, from what I have seen I think he was overrated as a catcher; the bat is good but I wasn’t impressed with what I saw when he was behind the plate.
darkstar61
You’re not alone. Scouts this season have been saying his Def behind the plate is taking steps backwards and that it may not be possible for him to stay at Catcher.
That creates a serious issue though, as his bat is elite at Catcher but not that great for a corner spot (plus there is the issue of his short, stubby, slow build which will further diminish his value)
Polish Hammer
His strength on defense is his ++ arm, but in the games I saw in person the past couple years I was not impressed at all as guys stole easily. Off the field he came off as an arrogant jerk as well. Regardless, I wish him well in SD and hope it works out well for both teams.
blackleather
I like the trade..and I think the Preller haters need to re-evaluate their criticisms. He’s buying low and selling high, with reclamation projects that no one thought twice about a few yrs ago. Hand isn’t the first one. This isn’t unique, either. But there are GMs who know how to eff up trades like this. This go round, I’m just glad it wasn’t AJP. And I’d also like to shout out to Austin Hedges: Your defense is enough of a reason for many GMs, to keep you. But AJP didn’t draft you. And that by itself could make you expendable. Let’s see how this scenario plays out.
jd396
Finally… Brad Hand has been about to be traded for three years.
lowtalker1
Any word on a Ross stammen yates dealings ?
bleacherbum
I hope Oakland has a degree of interest in a reunion with Tyson Ross and possibly adding Kirby Yates to solidify an already impressive bullpen.
Oakland has prospects most organizations would love to have.
Seattle, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Boston are all teams that would have a varying degree of interest in a combination of all of Yates, Ross, Stammen and Freddy Galvis for that matter as well. Galvis could be the premium defender a contender would want down the stretch to rest its young players.
Maybe something like:
Padres trade, Kirby Yates, Craig Stammen and Tyson Ross to Atlanta for Austin Riley and Freddy Tarnok (19 year old RHP) #23 on the top 30.
It’s basically the same trade the Padres made last year when they Packaged Maurer, Buchter and Cahill. That netted them Travis Wood for free (salary covered), Matt Strahm (injured former top 100 prospect at the time) , Esteury Ruiz (Padres #11).
Both Yates and Stammen have control and are affordable. Ross helps bridge this young team to the playoffs and keeps some young arms healthy. Riley immediately becomes the future 3B in San Diego rounding out an infield and outfield of 1B Hosmer, 2B Urias, SS Tatis Jr, 3B Riley, C Mejia/Hedges LF Myers/Cordero , CF Margot/Cordero, RF Renfroe/Cordero.
jbigz12
None of those teams need Freddy galvis.
justin-turner overdrive
Massive robbery by the Indians, the Padres are so infuriatingly bad all the time.
“A great way to start a rebuild would be to lock down a 1B on an untradeable deal, when you already have multiple legit 1B options!” – AJ Preller
Padres2019ha
Third time you said this bro.
Adam6710
This makes the Indians a true threat in a short series, but for my money (as a Yankee fan) the best news is that it keeps the biggest ace reliever on the market away from Boston. Had the Sox gotten hand, the Yanks chances of catching Boston would be that much longer.
RedRooster
Don’t see Dave Dombrowski dealing with Preller again
JKB 2
Dombrowski would have no problem dealing with Preller again
steelerbravenation
Anybody who thinks the Padres farm system is better than the Braves are crazy. I could understand if the Braves pitching were living off their name recognition but them boys are producing
Padres2019ha
10 top 100 7 in top 50.
Acuna and Albie’s aren’t prospects anymore. if they were, them Braves probably would.
venom
Best bullpen? Allen has an over 4 era, miller hasn’t pitched in two months cause he’s been hurt. NL west best division just because 4 teams are just barely over .500 give me a break do any of these people actually watch baseball?
RedRooster
Hmm… where is that Cubs fan who said that Preller was an idiot for extending Hand because he should be looking to trade Hand rather than extend him because the Padres won’t contend for the next 10 years? Looks like the two aren’t mutually exclusive and the extension would only help his trade value.
JKB 2
Well the where are the Padre Fans that said Hand was worth Javy Baez AND more!
RedRooster
Who said that? I know for a fact that a certain Cubs fan said the thing I was describing. In fact, his name was cubsbearsbulls2018.
stansfield123
It’s going to be hilarious to watch Indians’ fans faces when all these prospects they’ve given up for bullpen arms are starting to make an impact at the major league level.
Clint Frazier is a trade away from bursting onto the scene, Justus Sheffield is close, Ben Heller is hurt, but will be back and he looks absolutely dominant…and then there’s Mejia, who’s rated higher than all of those guys, and was given up for a guy with a 102 career ERA+ (better lately, sure, but this year’s 132 ERA+, while good, isn’t exactly shutdown stuff).
Shoddy decision making by a desperate front office, if you ask me. And sure, their bullpen was falling apart, and needed arms that can stabilize it, but you can buy decent bullpen arms without spending ranked prospects.
Dennid
It’s fun watching our faces now as we dominate the Central year after year.
Polish Hammer
You can buy good bullpen arms in the middle of the season without spending ranked prospects? Really? Is that on your MLB The Show season on PlayStation?
stansfield123
The word I used was “decent”.
And the Cubs just got the very decent Jesse Chavez for pretty much nothing. Fun fact: Chavez has the same ERA+ as Hand this year.
Polish Hammer
Yeah that young lefty starter with a lot of upside has zero value.
stansfield123
Compared to a top 20 ranked position player prospect? Yeah, he’s not worth much.
Aaaaand the As just acquired Familia….again, without giving up a prospect anywhere near the top 100.
More proof that giving up this caliber a prospect for relief pitching is not necessary.
stansfield123
Aaaaand another good reliever changed hands. This time, it’s Zach Britton to the Yankees. Once again, no ranked prospects involved.
So, still, the Indians are the only ones to give up a ranked prospect for a reliever, this summer.
darkstar61
Hand ranks 12th in RP WAR from 16-18
Cimber currently ranks 20th in RP WAR this season
You’re right, they both suck and Cleveland is foolish to want the 9 years of those guys (3.5 for Hand, 5.5 for Cimber)
And if we are honest about Mejia instead of just going with hype, we see that many scouts are saying he has taken steps backwards behind dish, might not be able to stay there, but is only a good prospect if moved elsewhere (he’s ranked as great solely on hope he can stay at Catcher)
stansfield123
“Cimber currently ranks 20th in RP WAR this season”
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And Jesse Chavez, the guy the Cubs just acquired for pretty much nothing, is ahead of him. Tells you what a small sample size stat is worth.
As for Hand (who, let’s be honest, is the only notable piece going to the Indians), sure, 12th among relievers in WAR in the last three years means something. But a lot less, once you consider that
a. it’s trending down: this year he hasn’t been anywhere close to the previous two years, and
b. there’s a history there that goes back more than two and a half years….and it ain’t pretty. In fact, the Padres are the only team he’s ever been even so much as serviceable for. Add to that his express desire to stay in San Diego, and I’m not optimistic about what happens next.
darkstar61
50 IP for a RP is no longer in the small sample size territory. Just over 60 is more than most relievers will see
And on Hand:
2016 – 3.07 FIP, 3.34 xFIP
2017 – 3.03 FIP, 2.90 xFIP
2018 – 3.17 FIP, 2.88 xFIP
Where exactly is the regression?
Lastly, if you’re having to stoop to quotes about being happy on his team to try to tear down guys, I don’t know what to say
darkstar61
You came back to reply to Polish, but didn’t bother trying to make up néw excuses as to why you think these RPS somehow suck in the face of my post. Sad.
I was really wanting to see you repeat this line:
“there’s a history there that goes back more than two and a half years….and it ain’t pretty. In fact, the Padres are the only team he’s ever been even so much as serviceable for.”
Because it’s almost as if you didn’t know the difference in those two sets of seasons. A difference where A) the Padres converted him from a SP to RP and B) he developed a Slider he didn’t have as a SP.
So from a Starter with a FB/CB/CH mix to a Reliever using just FB/SL – yet you still believe the old results matter all that much?
It also makes me wonder, does that mean you are still similarly waiting for Andrew Miller to go back to ERAs in the 5.70 range as he had as a starter who didn’t throw his Slider often?
stansfield123
Where exactly is the regression?
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Well, without going too deep into it, basic logic dictates that when there’s a discrepancy between results and the stat you’re looking at, it must be somewhere in that 70% of the game you ignored by only looking at FIP.
So look there. There are stats for it (hard hit balls, fly ball ratio, BABIP, HR probability, etc. all have a story to tell on whether a bad ERA is bad luck, or reflects on field performance; FIP is not the be all end all of stats)
stansfield123
I didn’t reply to your posts because I didn’t read them. And I didn’t read them because you’re rambling. Polish is, well, name says it all, but at least he gets to the point.
jbigz12
The Indians are trying to win now. They were trying to win two years ago when they got miller. All of those guys have contributed exactly nothing to a MLB team so far.
justreading
Meijia will be a Designated Hitter on the Padres by 2020
That is their thought process
stansfield123
I lold.
joepanikatthedisco
Fun fact: Hand has a negative bWAR this season.
zinny
Anyone know Hand’s stats vs. AL East teams!
darkstar61
Since he became a RP and developed the Slider?
NY hit .000/.000/.000/.000 with 2 Ks in 6 PA
BOS hit .400/.400/1.200/1.600 (1 dbl, 1 HR) with 2 Ks in 5 PA
BAL hit .250/.250/.250/.500 with 4 Ks in 12 PA
TOR hit .143/.400/.143/.543 in 10 PA with 3 BB and 1 K
TB hit .000/.000/.000/.000 in 3 PA with 2 K
So 6 for 33 (.182 BA) with 3 BB and 11 K
ERLking
Thanks darkstar.
The East Allstars are also 0 for six with 0 BB AND 2 Ks the last 2 year’s. He was the only pitcher that had those results. Best inning by any pitcher of either side at this year’s Allstar game and the 2017 only one by a National league pitcher.
Hand had a rough start last night, but joined Miller in giving up the long ball to the first batter he faced as an Indian. He will do fine.
ERLking
Question? If I’ve got it right Mejía still has 6 years of control for the Padres, so wouldn’t it be in there best interest to hold off bringing him up till end of season, next year to hold on to that control longer. It also would give Hedges a longer look for how his hitting is going to play out. Just wandering.
RedRooster
Has 33 days of service time as of me typing this comment. So the Padres currently control him through 2024. He would have to spend about 2 months in the Minors next year (or even more if he spends some time in the Majors next year) for the Padres to gain control of his 2025 season. He has one option year remaining.
brewpackbuckbadg
Any chance Cleveland offers qualifying offers to their two free agent relievers?
ERLking
Thanks Red Rooster!!