The Dodgers have acquired right-handers Dylan Floro and Zach Neal from the Reds, as per a team press release. Los Angeles will also receive some international bonus pool space from Cincinnati in the trade, and right-hander Daniel Corcino has been designated for assignment to create a 40-man roster spot. The Reds will receive minor league right-handers Aneurys Zabala and James Marinan in the trade.
After signing a minor league deal with Cincy over the winter, Floro emerged as a solid bullpen piece for the Reds, posting a 2.72 ERA, 2.25 K/BB rate, and a 6.7 K/9 over 36 1/3 innings this season. While he doesn’t miss many bats, Floro has consistently been able to keep the ball on the ground over his seven-year pro career, including a 56.8% grounder rate in 2018. He has also done a good job of limiting contact, as his .282 xwOBA is notably lower than his .307 wOBA.
Floro’s skillset makes him a logical fit in a Dodgers bullpen that has had some issues keeping the ball in the park, as the L.A. relief corps ranks in the bottom half of all bullpens in HR/9. Dodgers relievers generally rank around the middle of the pack in most categories, and the team was known to have been looking around (particularly at the Marlins) for some bullpen help to bolster a unit that has been thinned by injuries. It wouldn’t be surprising if the Dodgers weren’t done with their relief shopping prior to the deadline, as while Floro has been effective this year, he isn’t a proven commodity with only 61 career Major League innings under his belt.
This is actually the second time Floro has been in the Dodgers’ system, as the club selected him off waivers from the Cubs last summer before letting him go as a free agent after the season. Neal is another former Dodger, who was dealt to the Reds back in April as part of a three-player trade. The 29-year-old Neal saw lot of action (70 innings) right out of the gate in his 2016 rookie season as a member of the A’s, though he has since tossed just 15 2/3 big league frames. He’ll likely continue to pitch in Triple-A, potentially replacing Corcino as minor league relief and swingman depth if Corcino is lost on DFA waivers.
Corcino tossed four innings for L.A. this season, which marked his first bit of MLB action since 18 2/3 innings for the Reds back in 2014. The 27-year-old has a 4.06 ERA, 8.2 K/9, and 2.05 K/BB rate over 838 1/3 minor league innings in the farm systems of the Reds, Cubs, and Dodgers.
This is the Reds’ second trade of international bonus pool space in the last three days. Cincinnati can’t spend more than $300K on any single international prospect in this year’s July 2 class due to past overages (under the old int’l signing rules), and with a large pool of $6,025,400 to work with, it isn’t surprising that the Reds have unloaded some of that cash to the Red Sox and now the Dodgers to obtain some other young talent. It isn’t known how much Cincy is sending to Los Angeles, though international pool funds can only be dealt in $250K increments.
Marinan is the most notable prospect name in the trade, with MLB.com ranking him 21st amongst Dodgers farmhands (Baseball America had Marinan 24th in their preseason ranking of Los Angeles’ top 30 minor leaguers). A fourth-round pick in the 2017 draft, Marinan is still just 19 years old, and he has a 1.95 ERA over 27 2/3 innings at the rookie ball level, albeit with a troubling 5.9 BB/9. MLB.com’s scouting report lists the young righty at 6’5″ and 220 pounds, and describes him as possessing a fastball in the 92-96mph range, a slider, and “an upper-70s curveball that features good depth when he stays on top of it.”
Zabala is another young arm joining the Reds’ farm system, a 21-year-old signed out of the Dominican Republic who is in his fifth season of pro ball. Zabala has worked exclusively as a reliever since 2015, and he has a career 5.05 ERA, 7.5 K/9, and 1.26 K/BB over 164 innings.
Post season is in sight now!!!
sign of things to come… but are these guys legit??
Floro has found his groove. He’s been very solid and he’s done well in some high leverage situations.
They’re both busts according to Tim below.
Neal was traded to the Reds a few months ago from the Dodgers. So he’s back where he started. From my time watching Floro, he’ll be really good at times, but when he doesn’t have it, he gets hammered. He’s older, but he’s controllable.
Floro is legit. Unfortunately we already know the answer with Neal
Nice trade by the Dodgers. Two viable relievers and international space for two guys unlikely to MLB.
A bit early to call a guy’s career when he’s a 2017 draftee and in rookie ball, no?
Coinn flip on Marinan. I’d guess no.
The keys in the trade are Floro and the spending money.
Nice for the reds too. Only signed floro to a minor league deal in January and didnt even make the opening day roster. Like it for both sides
Is this really worth Marinan?! I wanted to see him develop
International spending money. Yeah, they’ll veru possibly get Marinan quality from someone they sign from the amount.
You can see him develop if you really want to. Just watch the games of the Reds system.
Best comment here.
Marinan is realistically 4+ years away from contributing. He was never really highly touted so it makes sense since LA needs players that can contribute now.
Dodgers just can’t quit Zach Neal
Good call.
Ugh.. I have to believe it was one of those deals where a GM says “ok we’ll send Floro – but you gotta take Neal too”
The dodgers got two good arms in this trade. Sadly, they’re both on Dylan Floro.
Ehhh I’d argue maybe one and a half. Maybe.
Ehhh I’d say maybe 1.5. Maybe.
Clearly Matt P does not give rave reviews to Floro’s non-pitching arm
Floro will be a nice addition to the bullpen. We need good starter though so hopefully we are focusing on that next.
Why? The Reds make the dumbest trades! They need to fire Williams and their scouting department! As a Reds fan I’m fed up with bad trades and losing seasons! I thought the Reds wanted major league ready players in any trades! How many more years can they claim their rebuilding! Enough is enough Castellini!!!
All this over Dylan Floro? Wow.
You’re going to have a heart attack when they trade Scooter, Iggy, Duvall, Billy, and either Jared Hughes or David Hernandez. I’m a Reds fan, and this isn’t a bad trade at all on both sides for a guy the Reds got on a minors deal, and didn’t break camp with them. Plus it opens up a 40 man spot, which is effectively a 3rd player in this trade.
Ok Nicklauth but none of these players are major league ready! I just sick of bad trades made by the Reds! Chapman they panic and only received 4 unknown players in which 3 of them are no longer on the team and 2 are out of baseball, then the Yankees Traded him at the trade deadline and received 4 top prospect! That tells you something about the scouting department of the Reds! You don’t understand the Reds do not know how to develop pitchers and then the Cueo trade which was a bust!
Hmmm. Suarez for Simon? Schebler and Peraza for Frazier? Disco for Latos? Picking Scooter off waivers? You seem to have a selective memory. I agree the Chapman deal was terrible (they sold low), but overall the front office work has been good.
As far as this trade, they gave up very little for a lottery ticket. I don’t think this should get anyone too upset. And complaining about not getting a major league ready player? Do you think the Dodgers would send us Kershaw?
I am HOPING they trade Iggy, Scooter, Duvall, Billy, hughes and Hernandez as a REds fan. I’d love to add another couple of very high potential prospects to our top 6 or so.
Sadly, I am almost sure the Reds will go out with a whimper through July 31st. They just can’t bring themselves to trade players for high-upside prospects.
If they do trade, PLEASE, no more “MLB ready” crap. Get prospects with high upside, whether they’re in low A ball or AAA.
Scooter is the ONLY one of those listed that would be missed and he’ll command a VERY big contract in a year. The Reds can’t afford what he’ll want. MOVE HIM NOW! Move Iggy now while there is valuable years of control left. Iggy should bring back another teams top 3 prospect and maybe their best. At the very least, two of their top 8 if neither are in the top 2. Scooter, nearly the same for a team in dire need of a LH hitter. He can fit somewhere, even DH. half the teams in contention are in need of a LH hitting upgrade in their lineup.
Don’t worry though, the Reds FO will get scared, and trade no one, going with the standard “We just didn’t see any offer that were acceptable” crap. Which means they didn’t bother making their own offers.
If they do trade, they’ll get the #10 prospect (poor return) on Iggy and then the team that gets Iggy will use him well this year and then trade him in the winter for another teams #1 prospect.
Why our FO so undervalues our own players in trades is perplexing. “oh, we undestand, you can’t part with anything higher than your #10 prospect, okay, done!”…while reading a few months later that same player gets a top 10 prospect in ALL OF MLB (see Chapman to Yanks for crap, Chapman to Cubs for uber-stud Gleybar Torres just a few months later…SCHOOLED)!
Sucks being a Reds fan. I do give FO credit for signing Scooter off waiver heap and getting Suarez for Simon, but when are they going to get an actual REAL SP1 or SP2, or a REAL CF that can actually hit?
Worse still, this article, trading Intl money, do you know why they have to? Because the idiot FO (Jocketty) of the Reds gave $7 million to a CANT-HIT-A-LICK midget SS that can field the ball well. So sad. No other team would have offered more than $1 million, but the Reds locked themselves out of any decent INTL prospects for TWO FULL years to sign Alfredo Rodriguez, the uber stud that can’t even hit .200 even though he has no power. BRILLIANT! I cringed when I heard his stats in Cuba and his potential (utility IF only or SS hitting 9th on a loaded team maybe).
Apparently this has upset the president, founder, and only member of the Dylan Floro fan club. Yikes
What Floro fan club you all miss the point why trade a major league pitcher when they cant develop pitching in the minors? They brought up Cody Reed and Tanner Rainey! These two pitchers has been up and down to the majors like a yo-yo because they share not developed enough to be in the majors! My whole point wasn’t about Floro! The Reds will never develop to be a contender because they don’t know how!
Definitely seems like an over reaction juuuuuust a bit.
No think back they got scared about
1 Chapman and didn’t get nothing descent in return but when the Yankees traded Chapman to the Cubs they got 4 top prospects!
2 the trade of Cueto hasn’t benefited the time as John Lamb ( they let go because of drugs and injuries) and Finnegan has been flops and Cody Reed they can’t control him
and others
That Chapman trade made me want to vomit as a Reds fan. The stud closer of the time (apologies maybe to Kimbrel), when RPs are fetching a mint and we get three journeymen MiLB players. Garbage.
I am nearly certain it was the moron owner Castellini that forced Jocketty to trade Chapman for whatever he could get before the season started due to those domestic violence allegations (he shot up his garage and was facing a probable 50 game suspension). So we didn’t get Judge or Sheffield or anything worth a crap, what is important is we didn’t offend the three people in Cincy that were appalled at the allegations and wouldn’t have attended another game (they probably have never attended a game anyway, but oh well). When business overrides baseball, bad things happen. Castellini chose business and even then he completely mis-read the situation (no one CARED that Chapman shot up his garage, save maybe his neighbors in Florida).
Sad. When Cashman got Torres a few months later, I was hoping Castellini and Jocketty are steaming mad or embarrassed at giving away a plum asset for garbage. I hope they were mad, but I am guessing they didn’t even care. Sucks to be a Reds fan, we have a moron for a owner (he loves Billy Hamilton and wants to be a lifetime Red, the same Hamilton that is the worst hitter in all of baseball the past 4 years) and a moron for a GM (Jocketty and maybe Williams, though he needs some benefit of the doubt).
I wish Cincy had a billionaire that would buy up the Reds and hire REAL GM and scouts and IT dept and coaches.
You aren’t some soothsayer when you say you’re nearly certain Chapman was sold low because of the domestic violence charges. Of course that’s why he was sold low. There’s absolutely no denying the fact.
Looking back, I hate the trade too, as does any Reds fan, but this was uncharted territory. Professional sports have only just recently started cracking down on this kind of thing, and the Reds didn’t want to risk the PR disaster. Were they trigger happy (pun definitely intended)? Of course, but not because they made some easily avoidable mistake. They misread an incredibly unfortunate situation, as I’m sure many other clubs did, or else the Reds would have accepted a much better deal.
At the end of the day, even if I hate the trade, I’m not going to be too upset that my team wanted to distance themselves from someone charged with domestic violence.
Ugh, always someone reading a comment completely wrong.
We bash Jocketty (rightly so), but I think he wasn’t given a chance to find a better offer. I wasn’t trying to pound my chest, I am just angry the owner is so simple-minded and short-sighted. It angers me we traded two top chips in Chapman and Cueto and came away with nothing notable. That’s just sad and the owner played a role.
I am sure he also forced the GM to keep Frazier when his value was at an all-time high after that HR derby win. Sadly, many a Reds fan was just as short-sighted wanting to now keep Frazier, even though his history was that of a .240 hitter that K’d alot.
Dude, they got rid of Zach Neal. How is that not a win for Cincinatti?
The problem these two guys aren’t major league ready as Dick Williams said any trades they make they want major league ready guys! Dude, the Dodgers traded Zach Neal to the Reds at the end of April!
Guys this isn’t about Floro per say! It’s just the bad trades the Reds are making! Finnegan, Reed, Lamb Gotham and others they gotten back in trades have been a bust! They must improve the scouting department and let the new guy make the trade! He has been working in the major leagues for 14 years while Dick Willams only have a few years of experience! This isn’t over Floro!!!
Why focus on the losses? Just focus on getting Suarez for Simon. Duvall for Leake. Scooter for absolutely nothing. Peraza, Schebler, and Dixon for Frazier. Sure, the Reds lost on the Cueto and Chapman trades, but no GM in history wins every trade.
True but Peraza has s just coming to age and in the Leak trade, Duvall was a throw in! Scooter was a wavier claim!
Anyway Duvall has been a disappointment this year and that’s why the Reds got him available on the trade market !
I’m not a Reds fan so I’m really not up to the latest on what their actual plans are. All I know is Marinan is likely to be a good arm for a long time. And losing Neal strengthens any staff. There’s never been a time where anyone’s said “ah I feel better about this game since Neal is taking the mound. I know the dodgers traded him away in April, believe me, I was ecstatic about that. Him coming back? Not so much.
If a prospect you get from trading a rental is good for more than half a season, it’s a net positive. Duvall was a throw in, but he was a throw in that the Reds wanted. Scooter was a waiver claim, but he was a waiver claim by the same Reds front office you claim cannot scout. You might enjoy your team a little more if you would quit trying to find fault with everything.
Reds should get rid of Duvall, Romano then go from there and hope Bailey stays on DL rest of the season
The LAST thing I want to hear is “MLB ready”. That’s what Jocketty said when we got crap for Cueto and Chapman and Frazier.
Sadly, Williams DID say that and I was sick to my stomach again. No more no-upside, journeyman MiLB’ers that are stuck in AA at age 26. “MLB ready” is code for “not really a prospect, just filler material”.
How is this a bad trade I’m confused marinan has more potential than Tim is giving him credit for and if it’s not obvious already floro never had long term plans as a red so explain how investing in the future is a bad thing?
For the Reds, getting Marinan makes sense. When I say he’s a coin-flip, tha isn’t me saying he’s rubbish. It incorporates injuries, and five levels to get through.
The Dodgers get international spending money which is a long-term play.
The Reds need their relievers! Dick Willams spoke to local media saying any trades he made the players they receive back are major league ready!
Why do they need Floro? I admit, he’s been a pleasant surprise, but no one would place him above Iglesias, Hughes, Hernandez, Garrett, or Lorenzen in the pecking order, making him AT BEST the 6th reliever at the major league level. And that doesn’t include Crockett, Herget, Finnegan, maybe even Bailey, all of whom I’d probably take long-term over Floro.
Floro was good, but don’t make him out to be irreplaceable. He was darn near free, likely overperforming, and easily expendable. If you’re not contending at that very moment, I think any time you can turn an overperforming, bottom of the bullpen arm into a legit starting prospect, you take it. It’s smart resource management.
Not Really
Flip a minor league contract (no control) for a lottery pick, and a 2017 4th rounder.
May be something for the future.
Floro, is not going to be either the Reds next year anyway
Good work Dodgers – best player in the trade AND international money.
So we (the Dodgers) traded a good prospect for 2 guys we had in OKC last year? Seems odd.
Wasn’t Floro in CHC? I don’t remember him being in the dodgers organization
Yes the Reds claim Floro off waivers from the Cubs at the end of last year!
I just didn;t remember him ever being in the dodgers organization. Who knows though, with the sheer number of minor moves they’ve made over the last couple seasons.
(lol I do find it amusing how you were downvoted for printing straight up facts. wtf)
The Dodgers claimed him from the cubs mid season last year. Then he was outrighted by the Dodgers. And finished the season at OKC. He signed a milb deal with the reds in the offseason. He’s was a Fullerton guy which is why I know this lol.
He was in Chicago in 2018 briefly.
Hate trading Marinan. Strange to do it for 2 former dodgers
International spending money.
And we have no idea how much.
Let me know when that international spending money takes the mound in the 8th inning.
International spending money becomes players.
Sigh. It becomes prospects. Eventually. The Dodgers’ bullpen needs are a little more immediate than eventually, don’t you think? And they also gave up somebody who was more advanced than any prospect they might buy with that international money.
This is pretty much a zero impact trade.
International spending and draft spending are the two best remaining spending avenues in the game.
Yes, teams need guys “right stinking now”, but adding players for lower signing bonuses like Acuna/Altuve/Albies are very helpful to teams. While they are outliers, when a team signs a 16-year old, I have no idea how they will develop.
Well, yes, which is why those two spending avenues are capped and limited. I’m not saying that the bonus pool money isn’t of value, only that it doesn’t do anything to meet the current need, which is to plug the gap created when they allowed Watson and Morrow to sign elsewhere. Floro isn’t the answer to any problem the Dodgers have right now and of course neither is bonus pool money.
Dodger fans do you know anything about the two pitchers the Reds received besides they’re years away from major league action!
Zabala throws really hard, Upper 90’s, and has some control issues, but he has a pretty good fb and a decent slider. He’s basically a pen guy. Marinan was a 4th round pick over slotted like a 2nd. Big guy with a heavy fb, cb, slider. He was a 17’ draft pick. Marinan has upside at first glance this is a pretty bad trade for the Dodgers I guess until you include int money and what they do with it. Then again Marinan could flop and Floro develop into a stud. Or who knows. Nevertheless on the surface it’s look like a really good trade for the Reds in seeing what they gave up. A potential pen piece and a potent young SP with upside.
Thank you Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
No problem.
I’d note that Dodgers were conservative with James Marinan. He was kept in extended Spring Training all year until their short-season Arizona Dodgers team started playing a few weeks ago. To date, he’s thrown all of 27 innings in the lowest minor league level total.
Marinan signed for 2nd round money. He has upside.
Marinan is YOUNG but has massive potential. Just watching his motion and stuff he looks like the real deal
I mean this makes no sense really. The only way it does is if they have an inkling that Mesa will clear soon and they are attempting to collect space in which to do it with.
It makes sense to get a bullpen arm. Price was a little steep but who knows what the international money is
I mean Floro is mehh to be honest. Not really a guy you expect to make it through a roster crunch come the end of the season. In the end I’m not down on the trade until we see the int money portion. I just don’t view this as making much sense. Like I said if it’s a substantial amount and they are trying to collect enough to go after a guy like Mesa then I completely get it. My only thing here is guys have had pre arranged deals so not sure pool money helps at this point unless you’re targeting a potentially high impact guy.
They have definitely been trading away young high upside guys and so far it has not worked out. Like Oneil Cruz and Yordan Alvarez
Well you can point to Cruz yes. I don’t think one has an argument with Alvarez, bc I don’t really think they scouted or really wanted Alvarez except in the instance that Hou wanted Alvarez. I never thought they were ever in on him. It seems to remind me of them trading or obtaining prospects that others wanted for an express purposes.
Another mediocre relief pitcher should be no surprise. We should know this FO’s philosophy on relievers by now. They are attached to very few of them and go more for quantity than quality. Burn ’em up, throw ’em out. Next! I’d be surprised if Floro made it through August.
Good point. That same rationale of obtaining and then trading their international prospects (in this case Hector Olivera) netted them Alex Wood.
This makes total sense for Cincinnati. We aren’t contenders for the next couple years and Floro was on a minor league deal. To get the Dodgers’ 24th best prospect for him alone was a win. Yes, he will take time to develop, but time is what a rebuilding team has. Obviously if you trade Hughes or Hernandez and don’t get more than this in a return, that’s a bad trade, but that’s because both pitchers are on two-year major league deals with proven track records.
The way the Reds have been playing since Riggleman took over, they are easily contenders next year. If you take away the Bryan Price games, the Reds are a .500 team this year and would be well in the wild card race.
Correct and it’s a fact the Reds can’t develop pitchers
And Mahle is no good?
You’re a very glass half empty guy. Did you realize they developed the guy you’re complaining about them trading??
“Easily contenders next year”
There is nothing easy about going from horrendous to contender. A 3 week hot streak for a team that was really bad the 2 months before, amounts to best bad team in the power rankings, not the Reds easily contend next year.
They been saying that the Reds would be. contenders this years and that was two years ago! They aren’t developing pitchers and keep drafting way too many middle infielders! They recently signed Suarez to a multi-year deal and no one will take Votto contract so they’re have have their hand string with these young guys to get them to the majors!
Okay I’m bored with arguing with you. Have a nice 4th.
Very true on the drafting of infielders! I mean just last year there first round pick was that shortstop Hunter Greene!
Big Reds Fan is just posting replies to himself at this point
Wow, Dodgers give up last year’s 4th rd draft pick ($822K bonus) for a journeyman pitcher who they had under contract last year. International bonus slot must be a lot of money!
Pitching really nice this year.
Helps the Dodgers in the short term.
Not a really high prospect.
Think both teams did well in this trade.
4th rd picks are considered pretty high and Dodgers more than doubled the slot value ($401K to $822K) to sign him. Look for value of Reds international slot to be $400K+
Appears that max amount cannot exceed $250K in one trade
It definitely can exceed $250K. I think you’re miss interpreting it. It can only be traded in 250K incriminates. So if the Pirates wanted to they could trade say “4 pool slots” for a million dollars.
Good job by Reds. Floro not exactly Rolaids reliever of the year material. Each time he took mound I was concerned. Not overly impressive.
Reds get two young pitchers with potential. Ages 19 and 21
Let’s see what happens before Reds GM is blasted
Reds fan since 75, last 10 yrs they trade young players for more young players toward rebuilding yet their still losing.. Trade Duvall, Romano and hope Bailey just rest til his contracts over and get rid of him then Reds might go above 500
What “young” players have they traded exactly? Cueto Leake Frazier Bruce were all looking at their 30s and about to walk as FAs
Huge Reds fan here. I see this as a great trade to both sides. Floro has been a decent arm out of the bullpen this year. The dodgers want to strengthen their bullpen, even they acquired Tony Cingrani from the Reds last year. Reds fans who see this as another complaint, oh now why did we trade him? UGHHH I am so frustrated the Reds keep trading away all their good players. There is no true “winner” of this trade. Reds get two young talent guys that may take some time to develop but remember Floro originally was on a minor league contract.
The Reds traded a guy who wasn’t in their future plans when his value was high. They struck while the iron was hot for once. There’s some tough decisions to be made in Harvey, Duvall, Iglesias and Gennett. Let’s hope they can get good returns or keep these guys because they could all be building blocks for the future.
That’s the whole purpose of my comments and commenters don’t see my point of the Reds having a history of bad trades and don’t know how to develop pitchers! They want to make it an issue of Floro!
Only reason you think the reds have a history of bad trades is because that’s all you’re choosing to focus on. If you actually looked at their trade history as a whole compared to the rest of the league the Reds have done well
I feel like the potential two to get traded at the deadline is going to be Harvey and Iglesias. Harvey is gonna demand a lot of money at the end of the season; the Reds cannot afford to pay. Iglesias- love this guy, hate to see him go but feel like Reds can at least get 2 top 30 prospects for him. Look at the potential upside to trades not the down sides. Its baseball; things happen.
I think the Reds are now starting to figure out on how to develop pitchers in the new pitching coach, Danny Darwin. He has seen most of the guys pitch in the minors, sometimes I always believe its a new voice that pitchers listen to. Small sample size, but this team has become very entertaining to watch from a fans standpoint when everything is clicking. Biggest questions going into the offseason is: Who will manage this team next year? I like Riggleman but need to conduct a complete search. Next, will the Reds try to deal the leftovers in Duvall, Gennett, or possibly Hamilton?
Castellini won’t pay the good money for a good manager! You said Darwin but why hasn’t Tanner Rainey or Cody Reed developed! Then you got Finnegan who they demoted and not he’s a relief pitcher at Triple A! Darwin didn’t develop him while he was here so I say Danny Darwin isn’t the solution for the pitching coach!
I’m liking what I hear about Marinan. Sounds like a good prospect for the Reds to pick up. Floro was having a nice year and was a pleasant surprise. He was solid. So the Dodgers should be getting some immediate help. Seems like a good trade for both teams.
Why Corcino? Parades is horrible and they have Adam Liberatore in AAA who is much better to start with.