With the All-Star break at hand, we may well continue to see more disabled list placements than usual as teams attempt to get players extended rest, with a minimal number of actual games missed, to address minor ailments. Here are the day’s notable placements:
- The Twins added first baseman/DH Logan Morrison to the 10-day DL owing to a left hip impingement. The seriousness of the injury isn’t yet clear, but it surely won’t help Morrison’s trade value — not that there was much likelihood of him being moved by the upcoming non-waiver deadline. He has struggled to a .193/.287/.367 batting line through exactly three hundred plate appearances this year while earning $5.5MM under a deal that includes a $1MM buyout on a 2019 option. Perhaps there’s still a chance that Morrison could be dealt in August if he gets healthy and finds his stroke at the plate. Infielder Ehire Adrianza has been activated from the DL to take the open roster spot.
- Also hitting the shelf is Red Sox third baseman Rafael Devers, who’ll be replaced by Tzu-Wei Lin. The official cause of the placement for Devers is left shoulder inflammation, though it doesn’t seem there’s much reason to anticipate that he’s at risk of a more significant underlying problem. Still just 21 years of age, Devers has compiled 367 plate appearances of .241/.292/.424 hitting this year. He had been heating up over the month of June but is back in a lull through eight games in July, which perhaps helped motivate the club to give him a rest.
- Unsurprisingly, the Diamondbacks have moved righty Shelby Miller to the DL with inflammation in his pitching elbow. Joining him is reliever T.J. McFarland, who has a strained neck. They’ll be replaced by Matt Koch and Silvino Bracho. There’s still no indication as to the results of Miller’s medical evaluation today.
TeddyBallgameYazJimEd
In a perfect world Travis Shaw would be where he should be..playing 3rd base for the RS and Devers would be a 21 year old prospect working on his fielding in Pawtucket..where he should be..
bleacherbum
I think Dombroski is going to trade Devers in a package for Hand. This offense is way to elite to not protect leads with a dominant bullpen down the stretch. They have pitched well as a unit this year but Brad Hand would be a nice bridge to Kimbrel.
If Boston is unable to re-sign Kimbrel in free agency this offseason then they can slide Hand back to the 9th and would have him under control very cheap for the next 3 seasons as their closer.
I mean they have to consider it right? Brandon Phillips will be up soon to play a combo of 2B/3B, still have Nunez, Holt, who can man 3B if Devers was to be dealt. Not to mention they have Chavis who is close, so there wouldn’t be a hole at the position for very long.
Brad Hand and Corey Spangenberg for Rafael Devers, Jayson Groome and Darwinzon Hernandez.
bleacherbum
Or possibly switch Hernandez out with Cole Brannen, get another outfielder with tools in the San Diego system. If Brannen is added then Boston would have to add a 4th piece, possibly Swihart just to justify not losing him for nothing eventually once all the catchers are healthy.
juicemane
We have enough high end pitching/infield prospect for 3 teams- we will need a major league ready player like E-Rod
bouyons141
Then who would play 3B next year? It’s probably easier/cheaper to find a closer than a starting 3B.
baseballpun
Moose?
bleacherbum
It could be Moose, possibly Donaldson. Either way since Boston doesn’t have the elite prospects to acquire Hand as is, next best thing is to trade from the Major League roster to acquire what you need.
The organization would probably hope that Chavis would come up and run with the job but if they had to go pluck a guy from free agency they have shown the willingness to do that.
But this all revolves around Hand being cheap and controllable or else Devers wouldn’t even be mentioned. This isn’t a Chapman for Torres comparison because Boston gets to hang on to Hand for a while longer while they have this juggernaut of an offense why not sweeten it by protecting those close games late.
FBA17
Much easier to find a closer. Delusional trade talk it’s comical.
Free Clay Zavada
Netting Devers for a reliever would be an absolutely insane haul, and the Red Sox would be really stupid to make such a trade.
Like you said, the guy’s 21 years old. He’s learning the ropes like most his age, his experience just happens to be at the major league level. I’d say in general he’s holding his own, just not exceeding expectations. It’s still likely he buds into a star in my opinion.
rocky7
Devers not nearly enough for an All Star Reliever controllable at a low salary for the next several years….and Preller knows the Sox position with Kimbrel.
Preller has all the leverage…..one for one nowhere near getting it done for the Padres and good for them. Tired of getting fleeced in trades for nobodies and never will be’s.
Free Clay Zavada
Know who else is controllable at a low salary for the next several years? Hint, he plays third for the Red Sox.
Devers is more than enough to net Hand, the Pads would be foolish not to pull the trigger on such a deal.
Bruin1012
Totally agree that Devers by himself wounds net Hand. The Red Sox are not going to going to that though because they aren’t stupid.
bobcavic
Anyone remember Bagwell for Andersen??
rocky7
BleacherBum….Keep dreaming….Devers, Groome, and Hernandez won’t get it anywhere near done.
Groome, he of the 5.60 ERA in lower ball than A Ball, 50ish innings gone to TJ surgery, may be good, may never be the 1st round draft choice he was for the Sox.
Devers on the DL.
Have no idea as to who this Hernandez is, but the Rock Star GM in San Diego realizes he can get far better packages than this paltry return you suggest. He doesn’t have to trade Hand unless he gets a super return for all the reasons you just suggested…..by the way the Rock Star GM knows this and guess what….he has the leverage!
bleacherbum
Okay your talking like A.J. Preller now lol. I’m a die hard Padre fan and have been my whole life which I feel is very rare to see this days. With that being said I watch every game.
Brad Hand is a fine ball player with an extremely friendly contract, yes. But he is not worth more than that proposed offer. A corner stone third baseman to pair with Tatis Jr, Groome who when healthy and recovered will be in the discussion to be at the top of the major league rotation for the next contender in San Diego and a couple lottery tickets in Brannen an outfielder with tools, Boston’s #6 prospect or Hernandez another left handed pitcher Boston’s number #8 prospect and finishing it off with Swihart who allows the Padres if they decide next year to carry him as a backup catcher/utility infielder/ outfielder.
That’s a haul. All for a reliever bro. Come back to earth a little bit.
Free Clay Zavada
Also, in case it isn’t clear, AJ Preller is an average GM at best.
bleacherbum
Brad Hand and Cory Spangenberg for Rafael Devers, Jayson Groome, Darwinzon Hernandez, Cole Brannen and Blake Swihart.
bleacherbum
Even when you add Spangenberg to the deal it still looks like a haul rocky7, sorry.
rocky7
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Gobbysteiner
Brad hand has a 0 WAR this year and you think getting devers isn’t enough? Lol how delusional can you get.
deweybelongsinthehall
Devers is the ultimate unknown. Present injury aside (probably more to giving him a rest than a worrisome injury). He is young and would still be in the minors or just coming up if the Sox had a viable option last year. He should be considered a top prospect and right or wrong, you don’t trade a top prospect for a closer like Hand who is not Chapman or Kimbrel despite having recent success for a non-contender. I have no issue with considering a trade of Devers, just not for Hand. As much as I cringe seeing Barnes and sometimes lose faith in Kelly, Hand in Boston is too big an unknown to trade Devers for at this time.
juicemane
Bleacher bum, the triple A team is full already, guys like spangenberg and renfroe should be sent down if we had anybody major league ready to replace them, we need proven mlb player(s) for hand, nothing less
Last Son of Krypton
Put down the pipe man. Devers and Groome for that? No thanks.
jeff Horton
So you are willing to trade a 21 year old possible superstar with huge power, a Red Sox first round pick and current number 5 prospect and the teams number 11 prospects both who are projected as future 3 for 4 starters for a third baseman with no power in the minors and a pitcher who has had only two years of success and is currently struggling. Lets look at the Contracts
Hand 2018 $4,000,000
2019 $7,000,000
2020 $7,500,00
Spangenberg 2018 1,700,000
2019 . ARB
2020 . ARB
Devers: 2018 $564,000
2019 . Team Control
2020 . Team Control
2021 . ARB
2022 . ARB
2023 . ARB
Groome and Hernandez . under Team Control or ARB until 2024 or longer
Groome considered one of the top left handed starter prospects in the minors
Hernandez most likely a good pitcher in the bullpen
Personally I wouldn’t make this trade if San Diego included anyone else on their roster.
rocky7
Groome who happens to be recovering fro TJ surgery and has pitched a total of 55 innings in the lowest of low minors with a 5.60 ERA. TJ does not guarantee future success! He just might be a never was prospect!
Devers shouldn’t even be considered in the “superstar” category yet unless you standards for that term are that low.
Teams will lust over Brad Hand, and by the way he is a bargain, if they feel they are 1 reliever short of getting to the WS…..see Andrew Miller!
Gobbysteiner
Brad hand is not even in the same universe as Andrew miller. Andrew miller was the best pitcher in baseball at the time and it wasn’t really close. Brad hand is slightly above average, and this year he’s just average.
baseballanalytics
While you are correct about Miller’s value and Hand not being the same pitcher as Miller, you are really undervaluing the top-notch relief option that Hand brings to the table. It is hard to find pitchers these days that can pitch 3-4 days in a row and find success in any inning/situation you put them in, let alone also having them close your games. Many teams would jump for him, that is at the right price.
bleacherbum
My thoughts exactly, thank you for having a sane opinion.
baseballanalytics
I just think more information has to be considered, such as how Boston wants to navigate next years free agency market, which will likely be the most valuable market for years to come. The Sox will lose Kimbrel unless they resign him for a record contract for a closer. If they trade for Hand and his cheap contract now, they could slide him into the 9th spot, still utilize him as a spot reliever, and have the extra money to sign a player that fills an area of more necessity during the offseason.
jeff Horton
Who said is a superstar but most people in mlb think he may develop into one and if he just plays as he has he is worth more than those two already then you want to add to premium minor leaguers that’s totally ridiculous
aj_54
meanwhile Shaw is slashing .241/.341/.465, not like he’s a star
Gobbysteiner
Along with a 2.3 WAR and 16 home runs.
jdgoat
That’s an .800 ops and one nice lefty bat that would fit in Boston.
larry48
Miller probaly done for year, over use by post tommy john . Dumb manager use of another pitcher for Arizona.
sidewinder11
I don’t see how you can possibly put this on the manager. Miller clearly was pushing himself too hard to get back and be successful since he’s still feeling the pressure of that trade. Not to mention that the medical staff and trained surgeons are the ones who cleared him to return and set forth the pitch count/innings limitations for him. Lovullo has nothing to do with Shelby being re injured
tigertom0210
Great!!! I missed our daily Shelby Miller news. It’s been a long year or so.
Solaris601
Based on everything that’s happened with him in AZ to date, my guess is he’s gonna be out for the most of the rest of the season if not the entire remainder. Miller’s trade value at this point is practically non-existent, and he has one more year of arb eligibility before hitting free agency after 2019. Dbacks fans: should the FO non-tender him this winter, or do they commit to another season to see if he can turn it around?
progers2622
I just don’t understand how people think Hand is worth all that much. Wow!
Gobbysteiner
He’s not. Only delusional padres fans think so.
baseballanalytics
He is definitely worth a heck of a lot given his new team-friendly contract and consistent success since putting on a Padres uniform for the first time..
thegreatcerealfamine
Well how about putting him in the AL during a playoff run, not to mention the pressures of Yankee Stadium or Fenway Park and see how much “consistent success” he has.
baseballanalytics
That is a huge what if given how good he has been. He is a very dominant option, although I will agree the price has to be right even if Preller has leverage when making a deal.
rmullig2
You could have said the same thing about Kimbrel.
Gobbysteiner
Padres fans are massively overvaluing him tho. The dude has a 0.0 WAR and some guy above me said devers, groome, and Hernandez were not even close to getting hand. That’s delusion.
baseballanalytics
“Not even close” is definitely incorrect. But valuing a pitcher on WAR should not be how you value Hand and what he brings to the table. Yes, players will overvalue their trade targets, although contenders will also overvalue their prospects. There is no way to know how his game will play on the East coast unless a team takes the risk and finds out themselves. With that being said, most trades are risks, and the reward for a trade of this caliber could very well be a WS trophy. Just some food for thought.
baseballanalytics
Fans* will overvalue
jdgoat
Brad Hand has 0.7 FWar and is one of the best relievers in baseball. How is a guy with a history and whose in the midst of a good season only “a little above average”?
jeff Horton
History? What history one year good not great closing is NOT history. 2017 21 Save ranked 21st. In saves. And second to last in save percentage out of the top 24 relievers.
Gobbysteiner
Because he has a -0.1 WAR on BBref, has an ERA over 3,He’s also making 23 million dollars over the next 3 years, not exactly chump change.
bleacherbum
True which even allows the conversation or a one for one deal for Devers or maybe a lottery ticket as well from Boston but it’s only because of how team friendly the contract is.
baseballanalytics
If Boston made such an offer, I think a lottery ticket need to be included, we all know Preller loves those. But I would have to think such a package would only be proposed if a bid war took place, which very well could happen. We may just have to wait until after the AS break to see how the pitching and relief market shapes up- that will really determine the whole picture of the situation.
baseballanalytics
Not that Hand isn’t worth Devers, I just believe Boston will hold out on such a trade until the price is driven up given the current market.
Gobbysteiner
Hand isn’t worth devers dude. I’m sorry but you guys need to temper your expectations.
rmullig2
Andrew Miller carried the Indians to the World Series two years ago. Hand is at that level with an even better contract. If Houston were to get him I don’t see how Boston would be able to get by them
The Red Sox should go all out for Hand if only to block the competition. He can replace Kimbrel at the end of the season saving them money. They can replace Devers with Donaldson or Moustakus who both will be cheaper to sign than Kimbrel.
baseballanalytics
Yes, there are many more factors to consider other than the player themselves. Next year’s free agency market is going to be very enticing for teams like Boston, and players like Hand help both in the short and long terms. Thanks for making some good points than many fans do not consider at first glance!
progers2622
Wow that is so funny. Hand is at the level Miller was 2 years ago? I think not. But hey you gotta believe in your team.
Gobbysteiner
Um, no. You guys are borderline delusional with this kind of thinking. Hand is nowhere near where miller was.
Bruin1012
Just stop it there is zero chance the Red Sox are trading Devers. Yes zero they have had issues at third base for years and now you have a 21 year old who is playing at third with huge upside and you trade him. Sorry don’t see it. Hand would be a nice addition but not at the cost of Devers. I do know Preller wanted Groome maybe he still does most likely the though the Red Sox don’t have the trade capital to get it done. There is a much better chance that Durbin Feltman is in the bullpen for the Red Sox this year then Devers getting traded.
baseballanalytics
That’s a good point too. Even if the price is right, some deals just don’t make sense for one or both sides. If the Red Sox plan on being big spender this offseason, then a trade for Hand may be beneficial, although the direction they want to go in free agency may be towards pitching anyways, blocking the trading of Devers.