12:15pm: The Dodgers are also still “in play,” Jim Bowden of The Athletic tweets.
6:09pm: Despite some prior indications to the contrary, the Yankees remain involved in Archer’s market, per Andy Martino of SNY.tv (via Twitter). There are five additional clubs still involved as well, MLB.com’s Jon Morosi reports: the Padres, Braves, Brewers, and two unnamed organizations.
5:24pm: The Rays have asked interested teams to make their best and final offers for right-hander Chris Archer, reports Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times. Tampa Bay has been in touch with roughly a dozen teams about Archer and could spend tonight and tomorrow morning reviewing those offers before ultimately making a call on whether to deal Archer.
It should be noted that it’s far from a certainty that Archer is dealt at all. There’s a mix in the tone of reports surrounding the possibility of an Archer trade that is likely reflective of the lack of an industry consensus on whether he’ll actually be traded. For instance, Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that there’s a stronger sense than ever before that Archer will finally move, as the Rays are cognizant that he’s approaching his 30th birthday and this may be their final chance to get an enormous haul for him.
On the flipside, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale spoke to one executive familiar with the market who took an “I’ll believe it when I see it” approach (Twitter link). ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick, meanwhile, spoke to an exec who said he still feels Tampa Bay will need to be “overwhelmed” and, despite years of rumors, still “[doesn’t] see it happening.”
The full slate of teams who have submitted (or plan on submitting) an offer for Archer isn’t yet known. Over the weekend, the Braves, Dodgers, Yankees and Cardinals were all connected rather prominently to Archer, though Fancred’s Jon Heyman tweeted today that the Yankees are viewed as an “unlikely” fit for Archer. Sherman added earlier today that the Pirates have jumped into the mix as well, while the Brewers and the Athletics have both at least touched base.
The Padres, meanwhile, have been rumored to be the most aggressive pursuing Archer, envisioning him as a rotation fixture in 2019 and beyond as San Diego emerges from its rebuild and aims to contend. Yahoo’s Jeff Passan wrote today that San Diego has been “especially engaged” in the Archer market, though he notes that the Friars have not yet been willing to meet Tampa Bay’s lofty asking price. Topkin wrote yesterday that a young catcher and controllable power-hitting outfielder would be “a good start” to a package from the Rays’ vantage point, though Tampa Bay will obviously be seeking numerous young pieces in return for three-plus years of the right-hander.
Archer, 29, obviously remains a popular trade target despite a month-long stint on the disabled list and some bottom-line results that haven’t lined up with his peripheral stats in recent seasons. That’s once again the case in 2018, as Archer is sitting on a 4.31 ERA despite possessing a 3.62 FIP and xFIP as well as a 3.75 SIERA. He’s averaged a strong 9.6 K/9 against 2.9 BB/9 with Tampa Bay this season and has made moderate gains in terms of swinging-strike rate (13.6 percent) and chase rate (32.3 percent). Archer is allowing just one homer per nine innings after struggling with the long ball in recent seasons, and he’s also boosted his ground-ball rate nearly three percent, from 42.0 up to 44.7.
Of course, the big draw with Archer is the affordability of his contract. He’s owed $2.o8MM through the end of the current season and is guaranteed just $7.5MM in 2019 before the Rays (or an acquiring team) have club options valued at $9MM and $11MM for the 2020 and 2021 seasons. In all, Archer can be controlled through 2021 for as little as $29.58MM, and in the event of a significant injury, he can be cut loose after 2019 and owed only a total of $11.33MM through the end of 2019.
eileenyanks
If anyone needs a change of scenery, it’s Archer!
itslonelyatthetrop
You can do a lot worse than Tampa…
bhambrave
Nothing wrong with Tampa as a city, although the Trop is a bit of a downer.. I think his point is that Archer has stagnated while pitching for the Rays. Maybe a fresh start somewhere else will re-invigorate him.
eileenyanks
exactly what I meant
eileenyanks
not talking scenery, that means team!!!!
slowcurve
maybe the best moniker on this site, but this comment is dumb.
getright11
It might be you.
ib6ub9
He is going nowhere. They want the farm for him.
itslonelyatthetrop
No, just the crops.
eduardoaraisa98
Bartolo Colon to the Astros for Forrest Whitley & Kyle Tucker. Final offer!
Knowthemarket
Bartolo Colon?!?! Are you crazy? If that happens, every other team might as well just surrender to the Astros and induct them as the world series champions
eduardoaraisa98
Excactly, it’s an automatic win for the Astros, game over for everyone else. They’re trading two unworthy prospects for our Lord and Savior. If the Rangers really want they could basically steal the Astros entire farm system, plus Altuve and Correa for Bartolo and even then it wouldn’t be enough, but we know the Rangers are desperate for prospects, so the least they’ll get is both Whitley and Tucker.
xabial
This gives me hope this is fair bidding process and Yanks do not have to pay a “division tax” for Archer Lol
It’s fun to dream. While, I think Archer is overrated, that contract [certainly] is not. Archer is a Great piece for any contendor, but seems like he will cost you an arm and a leg.
baseballpun
If the deck has historically been stacked against anyone, it’s the Yankees.
EndinStealth
That’s funny
Judge Judy
It a true. We always have to give more prospects and better prospects than other teams do. Remember, a number 7 or 8 Yankees’ prospect is a #1 or 2 in most systems. People discount this.
Codeeg
Because there has never been an overhyped Yankees prospect before…
kenneth cole
Lol.., no
Sideline Redwine
Lol yeah, you guys were bent over a barrel for Stanton!
pasha2k
Get real!
wrigleywannabe
You are delusional
Knowthemarket
You must be the kind of person who feels pitty for the rich and wealthy. Oh how they’re opressed!
vtadave
“Most systems”? haha no please stop
tdtd1515
How do you figure this? After the draft your farm system was ranked around 10th overall. If you go by MLB prospects rankings Clark Schmidt and Trevor Stephan rank as your 7th and 8th. These are no teams #1 or 2 prospects. Not even the cubs and there horrible farm. If you go by Bleacher Report Acevedo and Tate Are 7th and 8th. Tate is gone for a rental player. Took him and 2 other players to get Britton. Orioles had a horrible farm system ranked 25th after draft. Tate is now there 6th best prospect. So again, how are your 7th or 8th ranked prospects a 1 or 2 in any system.
STOP BEING A YANKEE HOMER!
pasha2k
Excuse me while I cough LOUDLY!
JT19
Because historically the Yankees used to give up the farm for a borderline star/bonafide star player. You have to give something to get something.
seth3120
If you think the deck is historically stacked against the Yankees I don’t think you’re personally playing with a full deck.
bradthebluefish
To be fair about the division tax, Tampa Bay said they just want a bit more from a division rival to make a trade. As they said that in a tie, their tie breaker would be to trade with a team out of the division.
Knowthemarket
Can you provide a source for that statement?
nymetsking
they
brewcrew08
I mean its really common sense knowthemarket. If the offers are truly even any team will choose to trade outside of their division first.
deanjr88
c’mon Braves!!!!
bhambrave
I’d rather the Braves didn’t. Cut McCarthy and trade Julio, but don’t get Archer.
baseballfanforever
If there is anyone who needs a change of scenery it’s Julio Teheran. The Braves could use the $11 million for next year as a down payment on someone else. Heck I would even take an equivalent swap (talent and $$) just to take a chance on someone else. BTW I just heard that McCarthy was put on the 60 day DL… huh ??
realgone2
Dear Braves, Please don’t.
srechter
Still find this unlikely, but the yanks have all sorts of moving pieces right now and it seems like they’re moving on a bigger piece. This is one option I suppose.
beard0603
Archer gets moved to either SD, LAD, or PIT.
SD and and LAD basically fighting against each other to give TB the better package – works out better for the Rays. Both have the prospect capital for the deal.
In PIT, Huntington will either go all in on Archer and give up Meadows + more. Or he might balk.
Rays want Renfroe from SD and Meadows from PIT
TJECK109
They won’t get Meadows for Archer
dcahen
Why not, Meadows is 4th at best in a future OF in Pitt. Get the SP for a AAA guy
Ungerdog
I’m sorry, could you repeat that please?
Ungerdog
I’m sorry, could you repeat that please, TJECK?
lowtalker1
Rays can have renfroe Getty’s Austin Allen
marinest21 2
Preller, please put Fowler on mute and put the phone down. Do not make the call to Tampa Bay. Anything surrounding Mejia or Urias is not worth it.
padreforlife
Preller loves bad deals the prospect merchant
Injediwetrust
This
SixFlagsMagicPadres
Hopefully they get outbid by the Dodgers, Yankees, or some other team. Giving up significant pieces from the farm for this guy is not going to look good in the eyes of the fans.
juicemane
Ending in last place in our division and missing playoffs for another year ain’t looking good to the majority of the fans…fyi 95% of fans aren’t crazy about minor league nobody players like you. We want a winning team not the #1 farm system, why don’t you guys get that? Listen, go buy a chihuahuas jersey, that is your favorite team bro lol
RedRooster
Cretin
SixFlagsMagicPadres
It amazes me how you don’t understand how the rebuilding process of a small market team works. And no, it’s not 95% of fans that think like that. Many of the ones I know (on this site and in real life) are all I on the rebuild and are excited to see what the next few years will bring. So please stop being a troll. There’s too many of them on this site already.
sportznut1000
i dont know, i think he is right. im a big fan of rebuilding if your not going to make the playoffs but we are definitely in the minority. id say probably 85% not 95% dont want to sit around for a rebuild. but its still a vast majority. just listen to sports talk radio and the calls that come in
therealryan
As a Rays fan I agree. If the best offer is one of Mejia or Urias and somebody like Renfroe I hope the Rays pass.
Edub23
I’m amazed the Padres GM still has a job after overpaying for Hosmer.
Perksy
I’m surprised the Padres still even have a team. Same with tampa and Miami.
justacubsfan
Bad trade offers, come out and plaaaaayyyyyy????
realgone2
quantity over quality, baby!
BravesCanada
Sam Freeman straight up
NickGarren
Your getting a kid who is more Anthony Young than Cy Young. a kid who will be a almost 20 game loser and have a high ERA. Don’t know why Cub fans are still hung up on him..been a major bust for the Ray. The Ray would have talent around him and he still would lose 15+ and have a ERA hovering 5 to 7..Someone is gonna get took and taken to the cleaners badly..Chris Archer is one of the worst pitchers in MLB.
MC Tim C
Go home you’re drunk
Cam
An ERA hovering 5 to 7? He’s never had an ERA above 4 and a half.
Put the pipe down, it’s bad for your health.
nicholas12
Chris Archer is Carlos Martinez in the A L East. Check the numbers.
Rodger Williams
There are trolls everywhere these days
RedRooster
Was almost a good comment but then you mentioned pitcher wins and losses…
dcahen
Yet the Cubs just bolstered their staff with Cole Hamels. What’s his ERA?
ronnsnow
This is why no one takes Cubs fans seriously. Remarks like this making it sound like you only started watching baseball sometime in 2015. Oh wait, you probably did.
simschifan
One guy speaking for an entire fan base? Ok buddy
24TheKid
Evan White, Kyle Lewis, Max Povse, and Ben Gamel for Archer. I doubt that’s enough, I really wish the M’s had the prospects to get someone like Archer.
skrockij89
Archer is overrated. The M’s need to start building up their farm sooner than later. But then again it’s Dipoto and he has a good
trade history with the Rays.
Dustin Michels
That is a fair offer IMO. Seattle would be going all in for this 3- year window.
mmarinersfan
Stop giving up our best prospects in every single unrealistic trade proposal.
24TheKid
Um this is the only trade proposal I’ve made, and it’s arguably not giving up either of the Mariners top 2 prospects, and also this is a comment thread on a trade rumors site. What did you expect? Go somewhere else if your going to complain about people making up trade proposals.
ayrbhoy
Paxton Marco Archer DeBlanc Leake – oh yeah baby!!! Get it done Jerry
Adolpho67
Cubs offer Happ, Caratini, & couple low-level prospects for Archer. Would that get it done?
justacubsfan
Idk, I think rays are rebuilding, likely prefer prospects. That’s not to say it’s a bad package. I just think rays would prefer 1 big arm and 1 other top prospects and maybe a mid level with a lotto or two.
Adolpho67
I’ve heard that before but how could you prefer 2 “super prospects” over Happ (5.3 yrs control) and Caratini (5.3)? Aren’t young, cost-controlled major-leaguers more desirable than prospects??
noraj9
Just depends on their timetable…if they pull a 3 year rebuild, you’re not getting much use of either player on those contacts. I could see both sides.
baronbeard
They have been looking for guys who are looking to contribute soon. Timetable is within the next year or two.
itslonelyatthetrop
Sold! Free gift wrapping at the counter.
Dustin Michels
Happ and your top C prospect for Archer is about right
wrigleywannabe
Not close to what they will want
Ungerdog
no, it’s not. everyone has been incredibly far off with their guesses at a “good pkg” for archer…I’m so glad it’s done so these kids will finally be quiet.
padsfan96
For the love of God Preller… DON’T DO IT! #staythecourse
padreforlife
What course 100 mil and 144 mil bust?
padreforlife
100 loss
Padres2019ha
Just driving up the price on the Doyers
Adolpho67
Just saw Happ & 2 ML prospects for Archer! Pet Ken Rosenthal! Cheaper than my offer!!
MC Tim C
Lies
Adolpho67
Ok…debunked as fake account. Otherwise, not completely insane trade!
wrigleywannabe
It is without the prospects being naned
Jerryred
to rangers for willie Calhoun, Hans Crouse and David Garcia
neonkeon23
corey ray centerpiece
Dustin Michels
Ray is no centerpiece.
brewcrew08
You’re right. A top 5 pick just in 2016 who’s gone 20-30 in 100 games this year in AA isn’t a centerpiece.
bhambrave
He’s about league average, which I guess has a little value to a contender during the regular season. When the best things you can say about a pitcher are that he doesn’t s*ck and doesn’t cost too much, then it’s time to move on.
justin-turner overdrive
“League average” or “Top 10-ish since 2015”???
fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&…
bhambrave
Lots closer to league average than top 10-ish the last three years.
nymetsking
top 10ish in the division
Ungerdog
you need to read more, bham, and not just look at the pretty pictures
Vanilla Good
Brewers send Burnes, Ray, Erceg, and Nottingham to TB for Archer + Ramos. Deal?
Dustin Michels
The first three names for just Archer sounds fair.
Tim Newport
You wouldn’t get Burns for Archer straight up.
hiflew
Well that’s just silly. You can claim Archer is overrated, but to say he is not worth a single mid top 100 prospect is ridiculous. He would get Burnes + at least 2 other prospects.
RedRooster
Not really. His value is more in his contract than in his performance. He’s a #3 at best
Ungerdog
damn, you guys are not very baseball saavy, are you? if you really think / thought archer was not worth a top 50 prospect, then you really need to take some time to learn about the game instead of spouting off about what you think players are worth.
spudchukar
Rays want a catcher, and outfield help.
Vanilla Good
Oh great take out Burnes and Erceg then?
brewcrew08
Exactly. That’s why ray and Nottingham are both in the deal. Adding a solid SP and 3B prospect will only sweeten the pot. Or you can change out Erceg for Lutz if they are set on OF prospects.
justin-turner overdrive
I’ll never understand how much hate Archer gets: HE’S AN ACE. There is no argument, he’s a top 10 guy for half a decade now. Being one of the 10 best pitchers in baseball automatically means you’re an ace. He is that. His career high FIP past 2014 is 3.81, and he’s at 3.48 for his career, meaning if he goes to Oakland, his ERA will be 2.50 or around there. Stop dinging him for playing in front of a crappy defense.
It’s so weird how much scrutiny he comes under, when he’s on a great contract and puts up quality innings every single season, meanwhile Homer Bailey is making $21M this year, and $23M next year. He’s just allowed to suck in peace and play out one of the worst contracts in baseball. Weird how success means hate, failure means no comment.
Dustin Michels
I would be alright if was my teams #2.
24TheKid
If this is true why haven’t the A’s traded for him yet? I would assume the A’s know more than you.
wrigleywannabe
Necause they can just make it happen?
24TheKid
If they knew that he would become one of the best pitchers in MLB, wouldn’t they at least meet the Rays demands or even slightly over pay.
bhambrave
Not hated, just over-rated by some. His WAR ranks in the AL the last three years:
2016 – 43
2017 – 74
2018 – 110
He might do better if he left Tampa, he might not. We are still waiting to see him pitch to his peripherals. It hasn’t happened in recent memory.
Comparing him to a worse pitcher on a worse contract doesn’t make him any better.
iverbure
Bhambrave lol where did you get those war numbers from… firstly compare his war to other pitchers not batters.
Chris Archers 4.6 war in 2017 was good enough for tied for 9th best in all of MLB. Another pitcher with 4.6 Kershaw.
Some names behind him Jacob deGrom, Aaron Nola, Justin Verlander
iverbure
Chris Archers 2016 war was 3.2 tied 22nd IN ALL OF MLB.
NOPelicanFangirl696969
Crappy defense?
Im a rays fan and that sentence is the dumbest thing ive ever heard. Hechavarria, kiermaier, souza, longoria, robertson, ramos, smith are all good to great defenders, and we have even more coming. Dont tell me some bs about he has had no defense behind him, and i probably forgot some other good defenders i personally hate looking at our past so thats possible
hiflew
If the best comparison you have is Homer Bailey, you pretty much lost your argument.
Bruin1012
While i like Archer and rate him higher then a lot of people he is not one of the 10 best pitchers in baseball get real.
nymetsking
I could have a 2.50 ERA in Oakland
hiflew
The Oakland softball league? Oakland little league? Oakland fantasy league?
Ungerdog
great post, Justin. haters gonna hate.
waldfee
San Diego?
Didn’t Archer state the desire to compete in the postseason as one of the reasons he wants out of Tampa? If that’s still the case, the Padres ain’t the franchise he’s looking for.
pustule bosey
eh hard to say, they aren’t going to compete this year but whoever archer ends up with will have him for 3 – and the padres have a pretty deep system, so who knows
padreforlife
That’s wonderful have an unhappy player
stretch123
If I were the Yanks, I’d get this guy. Offer Clint Frazier, Albert Abreu and two mid level prospects
nymetsking
sub in Brien Taylor & Brandon Weeden and you have the typical Yankee fan proposal.
ctguy
Or how about Rusty Staub & Dave Kingman as a typical Mets fan proposal
sacball
and Jesus Luzardo has been pulled from his start tonight for the RockHounds…I really hope the A’ didn’t just trade him away
MC Tim C
No way the A’s trade Luzardo although I suppose they did the same thing a few years ago when they traded away Addison Russell (who was a top 10 prospect at the time) for Samardzija so who knows.
bravesmatt 2
Braves send Gohara, Cumberland, Peterson, and one low level, “high potential” guy for Archer
realgone2
No
baseballfanforever
Sure why not ?
doorights
All this is posturing by Rays. They have no one able to assess which offer is best & are fruitlessly advertising for a rainmaker which will not come. So many bad deadline deals in the past. Shocked if they pull the trigger.
baseballfanforever
They have been discussing possible deals for two years. Now they are thinking they may not get any better deal than now. But everyone is looking for a bargain and they don’t want to give up their best prospects. So what does that leave the Rays ? I would be shocked too if he gets traded.
hadlock725
For the love of God! Braves what are you waiting on? Here is your chance for a true ace
bhambrave
Sarcasm, I hope.
realgone2
True ace my ass.
bravesmatt 2
Definitely not a true ace anymore, but with a change of scenery, could get back to a solid #2 or 3 rotation piece
hiflew
Archer puts the ace in 3rd place.
justinept
The Cubs are one of the unnamed teams.
nymetsking
so they have a name?
driftcat28 2
I do not want Archer on the Yankees. And I want him even less if it means dealing Sheffield
BigAA
Def not for sheff
hiflew
Two unnamed teams would be Pirates and Dodgers, I’d guess. Although I wouldn’t rule out the Rockies. They have been frequent trade partners with the Rays in the past. McMahon, Tapia, and a couple of low level guys might just do it.
Z-A 2
I think if you’re the Phillies… you’ve gotta think hard about making a move for Archer – he can slide into the #3 spot. He’s signed for 3 more years. I’m looking more at next year anyway…. so Maikel Franco + Altherr (simple change of scenery not an asset at this point) + a few prospects?
nymetsking
if Altherr isn’t an asset, why would Tampa want him?
Z-A 2
He’s a guy you throw in a trade at this point. C’mon man. Don’t be THAT dense or THAT guy.
internet1tough1guy
Archer can still be a stud. I’d think playing year after year in the dump he plays in and losing year after year would do this to alot of players. He just needs out.. I’m hoping cubs trade Quintana and amaya for him..
Polish Hammer
Stud? His numbers are terrible and have been for the past 3 seasons. He’s the most overrated pitcher in years.
wrigleywannabe
Quintana….lol
JKB 2
Archer is the farthest thing from a stud you can find. And why would the Rays want Quintana in the deal when he will be a free agent sooner than Archer?
Tim Newport
You wouldn’t get Burns for Archer straight up.
brewcrew08
Im a Brewers fan and you are right they wouldn’t get Burnes straight up for Archer. They would get more.
hiflew
Both Carson Kelly and Tyler O’Neill are not in the lineup for the Cardinals AAA affiliate. Could Archer be St. Louis bound?
barkinghumans77
As a Cards fan, I would probably be OK with that. Would like to see what O’Neill really is but with all of the injuries to the rotation…
therealryan
I see the Dodgers being the team here. Freeman acquired Archer once before and signed him to his current team friendly contract. He sees the value in having Archer’s 200 innings locked up cheaply behind Kershaw and the flexibility it will give the Dodgers in pursuing free agents. A package of Verdugo, Smith and Gonsolin as the main return should get the Rays to bite.
corey5kersh22
Smitth or Ruiz would be the catching prospect and since they want a power hitting outfielder that’s controllable, dj Peters or jeren Kendall fit the discription better than verdugo does. Smith, peters,alverez seems reasonable to me
ledezma_23
It’s funny because people are saying for the Padres to not trade for archer and that signing hosmer was so stupid but in the rebuild like they have you need some veteran pieces each rebuilt team that had success had veterans pieces so rn it might look dumb but say they are contending in 3 years or so those veteran pieces are gonna look good that’s facts
marinest21 2
1) Eric Hosmer has been worth 0.3 WAR this year
2) Eric Hosmer is making $21 million this year
3) Eric Hosmer is in the first year of a seven year contract.
4) Eric Hosmer’s deal will take him through his age-35 season
5) Rarely do players improve after age 30.
Those are facts.
“those veteran pieces are gonna look good.”
That’s not a fact. That’s a subjective opinion you have based on the hypothetical event the Padres are good in 3 years.
joeseadog
The Rays want Gary Sanchez and Clint Frazier for Archer, but Frazier may be the untouchable here. From what they’ve seen of Sanchez (somewhere between Hall of Famer and train wreck) dealing him for Archer would be a good deal, but Frazier is the center fielder of the future, the answer to Brett Gardner leaving, or assuming a more limited role. Gardy is a free agent and resigning with NY he would have to accept being the 4th outfielder. There’s also a thought of OF prospects, plus Sanchez and Jacoby Ellsbury (with all of his remaining 75 million contract pre-paid) Archer is worth a Kings ransom, but not including Frazier. It would disrupt all Cashmans future plans.
aforde96
Archer and Matt Duffey to Padres for Mejia, Baez or Allan, and Ornellas. Get a controllable front end starter until end of 21 and a 3rd baseman who hits for average until the end of 20. 2 positions Padres need if they plan on contending next year.
bravesfan
Is trade rumors going to do a vote or what? Lol typically I let us vote where he will land
MetsYankeesRedSox
8 hours to go folks!
Yep… I can tell time
brownbomber
Baez, rizzo, and happ for archer
brownbomber
cubs will have to throw in a prospect too
vtadave
Seems a bit light. May have to add Bryant, Lester, and $40 million
brownbomber
That would probly finalize the deal
simschifan
He will not be traded. They do this every year. The Yankees don’t need him and neither do the Cubs. Jesus between those two teams there’s like 15 starting pitchers on the roster. Pittsburgh will not contend yet, they are just on a good run. And San Diego is being unrealistic.
Bravesontop
Julio teheran straight up for Archer