The Yankees have completed their second intra-division swap of the week, officially acquiring left-hander J.A. Happ from the Blue Jays in exchange for infielder Brandon Drury and outfield prospect Billy McKinney. Both teams have announced the swap.
Happ, 35, is in the final season of a three-year, $36MM contract and is still owed $4.75MM of that sum through the end of the season. He’ll step into a Yankees rotation that currently features Luis Severino, Masahiro Tanaka, CC Sabathia and Sonny Gray. Since losing sophomore lefty Jordan Montgomery to Tommy John surgery, the Yankees have tried Domingo German, Jonathan Loaisiga and Luis Cessa in that fifth spot, but Happ will now provide a more experienced arm to step into that void.
While he struggled badly in a pair of early July starts (one against the Yankees) that inflated his season-long numbers, Happ has enjoyed a strong season overall. Through 114 1/3 frames, he’s registered a 4.18 ERA with more impressive marks in FIP (3.84), xFIP (3.63) and SIERA (3.51). Happ has averaged a career-high 10.3 strikeouts per nine innings pitched against just 2.8 walks per nine, and he’s kept the ball on the ground at a 44.6 percent clip. He’ll be a free agent at the end of the year, making him the Yankees’ second short-term addition of the week after landing Zach Britton in yet another intra-division trade.
The Blue Jays are surely thrilled to be able to pick up a controllable MLB asset in the form of Drury in exchange for a player who was set to depart via free agency at the end of the year anyhow. Drury was the Yankees’ Opening Day third baseman, but he quickly became an odd man out in the Bronx after both Miguel Andujar and Gleyber Torres emerged in the Majors while Drury was on the DL due to severe migraines and blurred vision.
While Drury, 25, has batted just .176/.263/.275 in 57 plate appearances with the Yankees in 2018, he’d previously established himself as a solid producer with the Diamondbacks from 2016-17. In that time, Drury batted a combined .273/.323/.453 with 29 homers, 68 doubles and three triples over the life of 979 PAs. He’s capable of handling both second base and third base, so with Josh Donaldson set to hit free agency this winter plus Devon Travis’ perennial injury troubles, Drury is all the more appealing to the Toronto organization. The Jays can control Drury through the 2021 season.
The inclusion of McKinney in the deal will somewhat incredibly mark the third trade since being selected in the first round (No. 24 overall) of the 2013 draft. The A’s selected McKinney out Plano West Senior High School and traded him just over a year later in the deal that sent Addison Russell to the Cubs in exchange for Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel. McKinney was moved once again in 2016 when the Cubs included him as part of the four-player package that netted them Aroldis Chapman (with the aforementioned Torres as the deal’s headliner).
McKinney, 23, made his MLB debut earlier this season and went 1-for-4 before being sent back down to the minors after appearing in two games. He’s hit for plenty of power in Triple-A this season (.273 ISO), but he’s also struggled to get on base. Through 228 PAs, he’s slashing .230/.294/.502 with 13 homers, eight doubles and five triples. McKinney isn’t regarded as the top-tier prospect he once was, but he entered the season ranked as the Yankees’ No. 20 prospect by Jim Callis and Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com, receiving average grades for his power, speed and glove. He played center early on in his career but has been utilized more in the outfield corners recently.
Jon Morosi of MLB.com reported that an agreement was in place (via Twitter). Joel Sherman of the New York Post (Twitter links) and Jon Heyman of Fancred (Twitter link) had previously indicated that a deal was nearing its completion. MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand reported that both Drury and McKinney were in the deal (Twitter link), and ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick tweeted that the swap had become official shortly before the clubs announced the deal.
DONE DEAL
Jay’s got Drury and Mckinny
Am I seeing this through Boston glasses, or is this as bad of a trade for Toronto as it feels like?
Is Eovaldi? If I spelled that wrong, I wasn’t wearing my rose colored glasses
I’m not sure what Eovaldi has to do with this trade?
They get a couple of decent players with upside, whereas Happ is in his walk year. The only way the Jays would have possibly done better was if they’d extended a QA and he rejected it. Even then, the QA pick possibly couldn’t have nabbed them a player equal or greater value than what the Yankees sent them. So no, I think they did the best they could. The two players NYY sent them grade out pretty well.
Happ isn’t a dominant pitcher but a solid number 3 in his walk year. Toronto got two guys who are decent. Maybe one of them becomes above average in the long term. Bottom line is that they were never going to get a top prospect for Happ.
Drury isn’t worth much, but really.. How much use is Happ? Is he anything more than a back end starter at the very best now?
In FA this winter, He better head to the NL for any chance of success at all.
I feel like ChiC would have matched this or beat it. They must value Drury higher than everyone else
Karkat, totally agree. I dont know what kind of magical hold the yanks have over these other teams that they can just give them junk and get back the player they want. No offense to Drury, but his injuries have made him useless and unless he can get healthy and hit lile he did in AZ Toronto just got nothing in return.
Given the fact that Happ is a free agent after this season, its a pretty good trade for Toronto. Dury is an everyday MLB player who will be under team control for a few years.
It actually feels like a bit of an overpay by NY in my opinion.
The Yankees have so many good young players that they cannot keep them all on the roster. They would lose some in the Rule 5 draft. So they gave some away to get Happ and Britton.
Wade and Torreyes are both better than Drury, and can play SS as well as 2B and 3B.
@ cubsrebs
Obviously, you are wrong, sir, or they would have topped it. Cubs are thin in the minors, and weren’t going to offer Happ for Happ.
Sure. Great dreaming huh?
Meaningless opinion though.
What do you base it on?
Torreyes is not better than Drury
As a Sox fan who tries to be objective, I think it’s potentially a great trade for the Jays. Happ was not bringing back a front line starter and they got a third baseman who was handed the starting job on a championship caliber team. Forget what happened. He is talented. McKinney? A question mark but one who was highly drafted.
An answer to your silly post..
do you know what an analogy is, geeze!!
for Karkat
Good. Glad the Cubs didn’t make this dumb trade.
The cubs are trying to Hamels …….. you don’t think that’s dumb? This isn’t 2008 …..
Sip, lmao, good one, now I do not have to re write it and send it to another jealous Yankees hater
Yankees are doing very good at trades, they are dealing from their surplus without giving away their best assets. Happ WAR is .09 with an ERA of 4.18 and Hammels is 0.7 with an ERA of 4.72. Plus a lot less money involved. Smart baseball by the Yankees. They could still try deal Sony Gray and restock the farm system .
Trading Sonny Gray will restock their farm system? Lol. He’ll net a bucket of baseballs.
Yankees don’t need to restock the farm, though. It is still plentiful,
Hello David. Reality check. Look at the last three games. It’s a long season for a guy with short comments.
PS-he’s pitching well tonight as well.
I’m a Yankee fan too, so pls don’t question my fandom but Sonny was pitching against the Mets, Orioles and Royals.
Remember his last start against the Red Sox?
Very true. So is the fact that the Yankees record against sub .500 teams is what is keeping them out of first place.
Sonny is in essence helpful at filling out the long schedule with wins in the team’s weakness.
Say what you want. Cashman’s recent track record speaks for itself but there is no denying that the A’s trade to date hasn’t worked out for the Yankee.
Happ would’ve been good for the Cubs
we were dead on yesterday eileen
jays get drury who was gonna ask out at seasons end
and McKinney who I believe came over with drury
the 40 man roster is full so very likely they would have
been traded anyway
good call
now once the deadline passes we can give a few
spot starts to shefield
Why is this comment nearly identical to the one from jimmertree farther down the page?
just reading..
♥️you rule!!!
The RedSox will light Happ up next time he pitches against them.
Possible. Happ may also shut them down. Historically, he has done well against them.
And Nobby, what have they done against Happ over the last 2 years.
Must be better than David Price against the Yankees, don’t you think?
bahahaha, you tell me Mikey!!
Love it!!!!
Drury/Walker and Adams hopefully
That’s not bad for Happ, Donaldson, Stroman, and Maile.
Grow up Peter Pan
why the f would the blue jays want neil walker, and why would the yankees want to trade him anyway . please tell me both of these comments are trolling. stop making yankee fans sound like morons
offset salary and neil isnt that good. i dont think he’ll be traded for happ tho
To counter some of the salary, and we have Wade in the minors who is better than Neil anyway and cheaper.
Walker is fine for now, wade hasn’t shown he can hit
Yes to the salary relief. I hope they don’t trade Drury, and Wade is not better than anyone as of right now.
a smart NYY fan
Sheev
Easy there tough guy. Why are most of the comments on here always so negative?
They are so immature these kids..unreal
thanks Sheeve
A lot of impostor Yankees fans trolling lately. Relax they’ll be gone pretty soon.
we are here to stay!!!!
speaking of trolls…….
65 years and counting.
and looking and feeling great, and not an unhappy
person like you
“Not an unhappy person like you”
Now you’re a psychologist too? Stick to your usual content-free cheerleading and Ms. Popularity posts and leave diagnoses to those actually capable.
major..look what she accused me of farther down. Oh it got deleted. I wonder why. You can read my reply though, which is still up.
“look what she accused me of farther down.”
It appears she accused you of being a Yankee hater, which is kinda silly. One can root for a particular team without sacrificing credibility. Don’t see where “she” has had a single thought about baseball deeper than ‘winning is great and losing is teh suck.’
“I wonder why.”
Lemme guess. “She” lost her um, stuff and posted some words which are usually forbidden here? Lifted “her” mask and revealed the not so nice individual with poor communication skills lurking beneath?
“You can read my reply . . . “
The positive thing is that you and a few others picked up on “her” act right away. It’s not that “she” is even capable of causing any great mischief here, just that “her” act is more appropriate for social media than a dedicated baseball site.
Crossed paths with 3SL in a Strasburg thread earlier. Forget whether ‘twas you or x who warned me there, but y’all were right.
Heads up on a guy named Adam usually in Yankees threads, but also in Red Sox threads. No need for some of these people to all of a sudden try to lower the level of exchanges on here. I told the guy “Adam” if he didn’t like the way people misinterpret the meaning and the usage of words then by all means “Burn them at the stake”. rather then like he said “repeat the third grade”.
I’ll keep an eye out. Doesn’t take long usually. Trolls gotta troll, they just can’t help themselves.
sorry, lol, you both need help, that is why I am here!!
major,
So your point is
your shrink is the most capable?
Why would Toronto want Walker? Why.
So they can flip him for Thor at the deadline.
Why would the Yankees trade Chance Adams, one of their top pitching prospects, for two months of a mediocre rental? You’re a Yankees fan?
Dillon Tate is a little better and they traded him for Britton
Britton is a lot better than Happ
Look at his 2018 performance before asking dumb questions
Ah, that time of the rumor process when the hatred shifts from “he’s going to the Mariners” or “he’s going to the Brewers, they have better prospects!!” to “he sucks! Have fun with that!”.
Always a joy.
It is amazing that Yanks believe that Happ tips the scales lol.
When you make the best BP in baseball even stronger with Britton a somewhat consistent starter does. Even though I was against acquiring Happ there’s nothing better at these prices.
Am with you – I feel like I’m in some sort of alternate timeline when reading through these comments. This seems like a no-brainer for the Yankees honestly (especially at the cost of a barely above replacement level utility type & a guy who might be a stretch to ever even be an everyday LF).
Ya if you’re a contending team you make this trade every year. Doubt Drury or McKinney ever amount to anything
Exactly. Who do you trust more Happ or Gray?
Gray with his new mechanics. Happ is overrated
This made my sides hurt from laughing.
and Gray wasn’t when he came to the Yankjes ??
and Gray wasn’t when he came to
the Yankees ??
Yankees
“a moronic question, oh, my bad, what did I expect from a woman hater…and Yankees hater” I could care less if you are a Man, Woman, or not even a mammal, I only care about some of this stuff you post about the Yankees. I’ve been on this site a hell of a lot longer than you and people on here know who my team is, even though we don’t always agree. Some of your jocular posts agreeing with anti-Yankee posters who are only trying for laughs, now how is that a positive posting. You may or may not really be a woman, but either way that doesn’t give you the right to call anyone a woman hater..which I’ve seen you do more of a few times on here.
Cereal man. Ouch! We don’t always agree but then again neither do I and my wife who finally got out the hospital and rehab. When the visiting nurse leaves for good. I’ll be happy. Thanks to everyone including the trolls because this site kept me going.
I know I’ve said it before but hope your keeping a stiff upper lip and all. I’ve been called many, many things in my life, but being a Yankees hater isn’t one of them.
Hey Dewey. Glad your wife is doing better!! The important things in life take priority.
Dewey does belong in the hall…..
Absolutely and thanks. New leaf on life especially with Tony Sparano gone. I realize this is the wrong post but I went to HS with him and the two events will together keep me mindful of what is important. Sometimes I feel like some trolls bet their home in a fantasy draft. We love sports but baseball should be in our lives, not controlling it.
lol, sorry you ran out of
coco puffs!
Your not a woman hater cereal you are just a big mouth. And it’s so enjoyable to read you and your “buddies” rubbing each other’s backs as it is interesting to watch grown men whine because their panties are too tight. Accusing others of being trolls when all you girls post incessantly is absurd.
Bottom line is that this site/app is about the baseball; not your pontification of GM wanna-be strategies that are designed (with a superiority complex) to post as you look at yourself in a mirror.
LOL MY55. You must have razor cuts because you never look in the mirror. Try a little lower next time you shave.
MY55 and Casey spliced together=1/4 ounce of sense.
You are being unduly generous, tgcf. The recipe you describe would be measured in atomic weight.
Too bad because objective discussions are what makes this forum great.
The Great….
And who do you and
your sidekicks think you are mocking 75% of these posts on here?? Is it because
you are on Trade Rumors
a long time, so your seniority
makes you really a low person
You even pick on Judge Judy
too, and most of the nice guys on here
Wow, you just dislike anyone and everyone.
I really feel badly for you all
Please get a life so you and your sidekicks won’t so miserable.
you forgot just a hater!!
MikeYank55,
you are the only real man
giving these first graders your opinion,
I find you to be a great
guy and I have more respect
for you than anyone else on here
Thank You MikeYankee55
So cereal, you now admit you
are a women hater??
I love my Yankees since b4 g your birth but I am a realistic one..Not one in the Twilight
Zone!
Dewey
You don’t even know us, you are just another puppet!!
Cereal, and you have no right calling me a man,
a troll, maybe a mamal
and then some..
You post so many negative posts, omg, mine are very
realistic, as yours are
nothing but hatred towards people you don’t even know, you and your fan club!!
“you and your fan club” we could combine with yours cause we need two more members. Gotta go big meeting of the he-man-woman-haters-club today.
This forum has been more abjective than objective these days.
From one puppet to another, whose pulling our strings?
Cereal, and you have no right calling me a man,
a troll, maybe a mamal
and then some.
You post so many negative posts, omg, mine are very
realistic, as yours are
nothing but hatred towards people you don’t even know, you and your fan club!!
Was waiting for something. A puppet? I’m as big a Sox fan as there is as should be evident by the tag. I just believe the exchanges work best with objective discussions and an occasional attempt at humor. Some of this is (in my view) over the top bantering by arrogant or unrealistic fans. As the Sox never won the WS when I was growing up, I swore in 2004 that I wouldn’t be arrogant like many Yankee fans I know. You simply can’t win every year and it would be great (again in my view) if certain others would simply grow up. Simply put, being happy is more important than being right and happiness should not be at the expense of others’ misery. To read that some are actually happy when someone gets hurt is disgusting.
Kyle Gibson?
Have to agree. Drury made the AAA all star team because he could not crack the Yankee infield. He is a good player blocked by better players who came back from an unusual injury nobody ever said was fully diagnosed and handled. All the players the Yankees traded can be steady contributors to their new teams but the Yankees have better options right now and for the foreseeable future.
Have you seen his ERA vs Boston? Also the Yankees need a guy that can give them 5 good innings since there aren’t any aces available. Happ is servincable, experienced, and consistent. Exactly what you neeed from your 4/5
It’s amazing how many people hate on Happ. I’m really fumbling to understand.
I don’t know if it’s hate or just discussing his warts vs some of the insane requests Jay’s fans suggest. He can help but it’s not like he’s anything more than a solid #3. He’s not a Verlander type. He has his good days but so does Sonny Gray. I think what the trade does it allows us to let the Germans, Loisaigas, Sheffields, etc to come out the pen or stay in AAA and get better. If the Yanks can go with Sev, Tanaka, CC,, Happ and Gray and we can catch a good run from them all, with our bullpen, then we should make the playoffs.
Before Verlander was traded, even he was thought to not be a Verlander type on this site.
Amazing comment.
For the record, I really meant that. That was a legitimately hilarious and awesome observation
A month ago maybe, but Happ’s been in a flat spin for the past 3 weeks. I dropped him from my fantasy team because his starts were so bad I honestly felt he was about to hit the DL.
Fortunately for him he has track record past 3 weeks
That thinking would be correct if we had an entire season of him to go but if you only have him for the next 2 months and you trade two players with a total of 11 years of control, then yeah, his current play is important. Yanks need him to hit the ground running. We can’t afford him to continue struggling, agree?
I’m surprised Cashman hasn’t been following your fantasy moves before this trade. Hopefully he learns from these types of mistakes.
We do not believe that.
I expect a big part of this for the Yankees is the way Happ has absolutely owned the Red Sox. The Yankees are aware that they will have to try to beat Boston in the regular season, and then likely in the postseason as well.
Happ might have a good “ERA” but the Sox hit him pretty well the last time they faced him. Resulting in Mookie hitting that Slam on the 13th pitch.
His “grand slam” would have never happened if he had better defense behind him, he wont have to worry about that with the Yankees.
Red Sox current lineup has hit a combined .209/.271/.393 against Happ with 51 strikeouts in 244 AB. That’s really, really bad.
Amusingly the only Boston player who has hit well against Happ is Pearce, who’s OPS is seriously about 1000 (yes, a thousand!) points higher against Happ than Boston’s star players like Betts, Bogaerts, Benintendi, and Devers.
Martinez is the only other Red Sox player who even cracks the .300 OBP barrier against Happ, and from his Slg% it looks like he’s basically never gotten an XBH against him.
The Yankees will likely have to fight it out in the play-in WC game, so they likely won’t even have to worry about how they line up with BOS until after that happens. I still would pick BOS if they face each other because they’ll have burned Severino and some of their BP to win the play-in game.
Well that would add some more weight to why the Yankees would want Happ wouldn’t it? If they burn Severino on the WC game they can line up Happ against Boston to start the next series.
“a big part of this for the Yankees is the way Happ has absolutely owned the Red Sox”
The Blue Jays must hate the Red Sox to make this “deal”. They literally gave Happ to the Yanks for nothing.
“Literally” You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.
I don’t love the return, but I have to assume it was the best offer. Personally I would’ve liked to see Toronto go for a handful of high upside/high risk pitching arms instead.
My comment was about why the Yankees wanted Happ, not why the Jays accepted this particular deal. Personally I don’t understand this deal from Toronto’s side.
Who else is out there to get? The price for front end starters is astronomical. Best case for them was to get a solid starter at a reasonable price. That’s exactly what they did here, and they further improved the best bullpen in the league. At the same time they made room on the 40-man roster to protect more of their prospects from the Rule 5 draft. I’m not sure what more you want them to do.
Anyone care to take a guess?
Drury and Swanson for Happ. Would like Maile in the deal but a 2 for 1 is the early rumor.
Abreu/Garcia/Avelino for Happ/Martin/15 Million? Heres hoping
Been the worst kept secret in baseball for months
well, here’s hoping we don’t overpay
The deal is reportedly being held up while the Orioles’ staff reviews all the medicals…
Best comment ever
Cespedes is hoping Toronto sends someone that he can double with on the links.
Man, that’s good stuff right there…
as an O’s fan, this made me laugh way too hard
I’m glad! Hopefully it was obvious that it was intended as a light-hearted comment. I grew up in Rochester when the Red Wings were the Orioles’ AAA team, and have a lot of fond memories via the Orioles.
How can Happ fetch Drury+? Wonder if Padres can can get something similar for Ross
I was going to say how can Drury+ fetch Happ.
Easy, Happ stinks and is a rental
“Happ stinks”
Have you ever heard of baseball reference, my friend?
I was really hoping there was something more impressive than Drury in this deal. I just don’t get what the Jays management see in him.
Can we get Stroman, Donaldson, and Maile too? We’ll throw in German, Adams, Shreve and Walker.
no thank you lol
judge/drury for Happ
Haha?
might even throw in a prosecutor
Ah, see, now that comment deserves a non-sarcastic “haha.”
Not prosecutor. Executioner. You were so close.
Blast, you’re right. I’ll retroactively retract my non-sarcastic “haha.” What a wild ride.
Rich get richer
Interesting move, don’t think I’d want to be starting Happ against the Redsox or Astros. But he did earn a save in the ASG… so watch out Chapman!
Red Sox current lineup are a combined CAREER .209/.271/.393 against Happ with 51 strikeouts in 244 AB. For clarity in case you don’t understand the above numbers, Happ makes the Red Sox look like a lineup of nothing but Jackie Bradley Jrs. He has dominated them.
Exactly. The Red Sox can’t hit LHP at all
Why not?
Small sample, but against both the Red Sox and Astros this year he has a:
1.08 WHIP
2.16 ERA
10.8 K/9
But why let stats get in the way when you can make random ridiculous comments.
Happ deserves a chance to win a Ring, great guy, humble and a team player in every way. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him back on a 2/25 deal in Toronto.
He apparently really likes Toronto, so it wouldn’t surprise me, and I’d be happy to have him back.
Borucki and Reid-Foley could use a vet, and the Jays can use another trading chip next year 🙂
Man, don’t all these teams know that you can’t make all these deals until next Tuesday?!?!?
I dont know how excited I am for Happ. Reminds me of the Jamie Garcia trade. Im hoping Happ does good but eh. i guess its the best the Yankees can get a hold of for a reasonable proce
*price
exactly
Jaime Garcia had no experience pitching in the AL East. Happ has been a solid pitcher in this division since 2012. Andujar was good enough that Drury is expendable. And the Yankees OF depth has been covered plenty. Seems a bit steep but the Yankees can’t be throwing German, Loasiaga, or Cessa every 5 days in the middle of a pennant race
They are/were both left hander rentals with a 4.00 ERA at the time they were traded. I think Happ is better than Garcia, but i also thought Garcia was better than the Garcia the Yankees got. I heard reports of the Yankees inquiring about the Twins SP, that seems more attractive to me. But this seems like a done deal now
Yeah, this is a decent trade for NYY for sure. They aren’t going to necessarily miss Drury or McKinney, and they added a decent starter with AL East experience even though he’s scuffled his last few starts. Still one of the better starting pitchers available on the trade market, honestly. Maybe the best out of who is actually up for grabs.
Don’t sleep on McKinney, I didn’t want to give him up! Oh well good luck Billy
Do you know how many better outfielders they have in their system then McKinney?
Never said he was the best!!! Only that I liked him and didn’t want to see him go!!!
Don’t know why Blue Jay’s need another Veteran IF.
Drury is cost controlled. Aren’t Donaldson and Solarte FA after this year?
solarte has two years of control after 2018
Solarte has 2 more affordable options.
But the Jays have Diaz, Travis, Gurriel jr to which I would but Drury ahead of Diaz but not the others.
As well 5 of their top 10 prospects are 3B, SS, 2B in Vlady Jr, Bichette, Biggio, Kevin Smith, with the 5th being a 2018 draftee.
While it seems like a good return, it seems like a confusing return for most Jays fans as its an addition to their greatest depth….. where as OF/Pitching needs more work.
Pitching needs depth as the Jays have Borucki, SRF, Zeuch and Pannone as the round of pitchers, these guys are close but they need depth as these guys graduate and you figure out what you have in them
Well McKinney is an OF and Drury can play in the OF as well.
Ya I am curious if they try him in the OF. Granderson likely gets moved soon and with Pillar down on the DL they have room to test him. Or maybe Solarte gets moved and he can slide into 3B.
Donaldson is for sure. I don’t know about Solarte
I don’t understand why they would want Drury at all. He doesn’t seem to have much upside and the Jays have tons of depth in the middle infield. Why pick up a guy who looks like a bench MI/AAA player?
…maybe they think there is more potential to be unlocked in there, I’m not really seeing it.
So a former top 100 prospect, who has only played in 2 full seasons, is 25 years old, 4 years of control left, with a career .755 OPS who’s averaged 15 hrs and 35 doubles in 2017/2018 and can play 2B, 3B and both corner OF spots is a fringe AAAA guy? Do you honestly believe that?
Let me ask another question….if Bo Bichette, currently with a .758 OPS, came into the majors at age 22 and in his first two seasons had a .265/.315/.755 line with an avg of 15hrs and 35 dbls each year would he be a fringe guy too or a young player with upside who’s shown flashes of more potential and might just be on the cusp of someting greater?
Yanks traded for Drury giving up 2 good prospects (no they weren’t top 100 ranked) and Cashman felt he had 25-30 hr ability. His migraines put him on the DL and he never got a chance with Andujar and Torres doing what they’ve done. Just because he isn’t starting doesn’t make him a scrub,
And no, I’m not comparing the ceiling of Drury to that of Bichette but if a prospect turns into a solid 15-20 hr guy with 30-40 dbls and a solid OPS most teams would be happy with that.
Drury did all that while holding down a below average wRC+ in Arizona. He’s been putrid in his time in New York, so bad, in fact, that the Yankees played Tyler Wade (44 wRC+) and Neil Walker (60) in front of him while Torres was shelved on the DL.
The idea that Drury has this untapped potential is beyond silly. In 2016-2017, Drury played 130+ games each season. In that time, he was worth 1.4 wins above replacement, which isn’t even an average player.
I’m not seeing the upside.
If Bichette is still bouncing between the majors and the minors at 25, has a career .267/.316/.439 batting line, and his numbers have actually been declining every year (.282/.329/.458 — .267/.317/.447 — .176/.263/.275) then yes, at that point I would view Bichette as a guy who wasn’t likely to ever live to to his potential and was destined to be a utility player at the major league level.
25 going on 26 isn’t old, but it’s approaching middle aged for a baseball career. A player that old is likely to be about half way through his professional career.
Drury is not a good piece, no matter how many times yankee fans tried to shoehorn him in deals for much better talent. I don’t understand why the Jays want him when the Yankees have plenty of other B/C level guys who would provide more upside.
McKinney and Drury? nice return for toronto
McKinney is a really nice player. Unfortunately the Yankees had no place for him. Hopefully both he & Drury will get some playing time.
McKinney is maybe a 4th or 5th outfielder. God I hated that wasted traded for Drury.
McKinney could’ve been used in a different deal then.
I think this a really solid deal for the Jays.
What’s up with the continuing trades amongst AL East foes? I smell a weird kind of collusion.
That’s one of the oddest comments ever…
It is weird! Usually this type of nonsense only happens in the AL West. Those fools love the incestuous trade or two.
This is an overpay for Happ. Unless he critically contributes, which is unlikely.
it is, but the same time, it isn’t. yankees don’t have anywhere for either to play, and who else are they gonna get for that price?
Overpay?? Hardly. The Yankees are trading players that they have no place for. Drury has been in AAA most of the season & McKinney has no spot in NY anyway.
It’s still an overpay just because the Yankees are stacked it doesn’t mean they couldn’t have fetched at least a player a bit better
Not at all. Not much else available. They dealt players that were expendable. Neither Drury or McKinney were ever going to see much playing time in NY
I don’t think there was honestly much else available in the way of SP in this years trade market.
Drury is controllable and can backup every infield spot. He’s better than Walker and he’s already the guy they hope Wade might become. The only thing that makes sense is that Cashman is worried that migraine problem could happen at any time.and that most other GM’s share his feelings.
You can grab backup middle infielders anywhere.
True!
He’s far better than replacement level. Everyone loved the guy with AZ, ridiculous how much hate there is for him just because he’s a Yankee
He’s a negative WAR player. So, no, he’s not better than replacement level.
He also has a wRC+ of 50. And the Yankees are starting Walker and Wade over him.
They loved him so much they got rid of him. Don’t put this on the Yankees Bruh.
.9 WAR in two plus seasons. Not much better,
The Yankees would be happy with a below average replacement player (career 92 OPS+, <.200 BA this year with a .538 OPS in limited time)? Wade has more of an upside than Drury.
Ok but Drury isn’t a back up IF. He’s a capable starter as he demonstrated the two prior years in AZ.
You’re going to ignore what he did in AZ for 2 full seams and focus on what he did, coming off the DL in only 54ABs? Insane…
They seemingly could’ve gotten a better pitcher (or one with more control) for that package so I would consider it an overpay
Like who? Go higher up the rung and you’re giving up Frazier minimum.
It’ll be interesting to see what Hamel ends up being traded for and how much of his contract the Rangers end up eating?
Happ a fine addition. Now replace Bird and Walker and you will have something.
Bird has been heating up, but yes I would want to see Wade replace Walker full time.
Why would you want to trade Bird when he’s starting to come around and is under team control for 3 more years. In the last 28 games he’s .282/.346/.549. He’s coming around.
That’s a good return for Toronto.
I’m not happy about it I feel like we gave up too much
You only gave up One player and it was a player you were expected to give up. I assume you meant to say “I feel like we didn’t get enough in return”.
(Unless you’re a Yankee fan?)
Drury’s mother only wants Drury to cut her lawn for free.
I’ve never seen a trade deadline inter-division theft like this. Who is running the Blue Jays, the Rogers CEO’s son?
What on earth is wrong with you?
Keep commenting and you’ll keep fueling the fire.
Casey – If Drury is as bad as you say he is, that only helps Toronto’s draft position the next few years. If he’s better than you say, he’s a bonafide starting major league player.
Before you type out his OBP, just know I do not care about his OBP or WAR or the other geek stats with tight pants. Drury is a 25-year old with a golden opportunity to take his career to the next level. It’s now up to him to make a mark in this league.
I’m shocked the Brewers were outbid
Meanwhile the Brewers do make a trade for a reliever and this moron is nowhere to be seen on that thread
I don’t get this guy’s hatred for the brewers. Don’t like them? Fine. Fan of another team? So be it. But the dude goes out of his way to trash Milwaukee on a regular basis. Maybe the team took turns at his mom and made him watch. Or something. Therapy might help.
NOOOO! Not Drury for a Happ Rental!
Not a fan of giving up drury for half a year of happ
Same here
Yea he was really tearing it up.
Not even half a year
Lol. Great job NYY, couldn’t find a pitcher with a 7 ERA on the indie circuit?!?!
Well his ERA is 4.18 so why would they do that?
I’d take Happ over Eovaldi.
Easily
Nope. Jays already scooped up Oliver Drake.
I wonder if the Indians can target Drury since the Jays won’t be competing any time soon.
They won’t be contending soon? They still have Stroman, Sanchez, and Osuna long term plus Vlad, Biggio, and Bichette most likely being ready next year and good young talent in Borucki and Gurriel Jr.
Stroman hasn’t been as good as past years. And you’re putting a lot of faith in rookies being amazing right out of the gate. Plus their in a division with the Yankees and Redsox who are going to be good for the foreseeable future. So I don’t think they’re going to be a lock for anything.
2021 earliest. Need a couple years for the young players to gain experience and shed the contracts of Martin and Morales.
Agreed.
So at the end of the day, the Phillies will be left with nothing. A big market team with the lowest payroll in baseball does not appear wanting to take the next step. It’s so like our other team in PA.
I’d chalk that up to management seeing this year as an unexpected surprise but they aren’t willing to throw out the long term plan.
Maybe they add a salary dump guy with an expiring contract, but I think the focus remains on 2019.
The Phillies are where the Brewers are, ahead of schedule but not yet a contender. There’s just no reason to mortgage the future for a long shot run
does JA Happ turn the Phils into a world series contender, and who are you dumping out of the rotation to put Happ in it? Maybe Pivetta but they still might want to give him some more time. what should phils have given up for the rental that would be better than what Yanks gave?
The Phillies won’t be making trades just to make trades. Over the past several years they’ve built a respectable farm system while still graduating players to the majors. Management is loathe to trade away players that are near mlb ready when they still might need those players to contribute in the bigs, and when they’re unlikely to make it past the first round.
That said, there’s still a week left. I’m sure they pick up a salary dump candidate – maybe even in August.
Good trade for both sides. His FIP xFIP and SIERA are among the league leaders. Don’t be too worried about his ERA
his fip is 3.84 and he has a very league average era+ of 101…
League leaders? No way man. It does show that he’s been very unlucky though and should slot him in nicely behind Sev and Sabathia
Wow, if the Yankees don’t get a second piece in this deal this is an overpay. You don’t know what you are getting with Happ and Drury is a good player who can play all over the field. McKinney is going to be a serviceable player. Too much for a rental.
A 4th outfielder and a utility player blocked..not a great return
I don’t think McKinney projects as a 4th outfielder, he just hasn’t had opportunities in NYY due to the logjam in OF and the injury he sustained earlier in the season when he was also playing some 1B.
Drury is a steal here, although obviously he’s not getting PT w/ Andujar, Torres and Walker in the picture.
Definitely an overpay but let’s see if the Yankees get anyone else back or if TOR keeps some of Happ’s remaining salary.
That’s what all the scouts and pundits have written on McKinney, and I’ve never heard anything more. He’s been a throw-in on not one but three trades.
Ya it’s his 4th organization. Pretty clearly teams aren’t happy with him upon receiving him.
Since when is Drury a utility player? Torreyes is a utility player, Drury is a starting MLB player with versatility.
Drury is Long Island Ducks material.
.316 career OBP.
.263 OBP this year.
Garbage. The minors are overloaded with guys who can play six positions. If you can’t hit then you stink.
I love how you cherry pick. We’ll just overlook the 2 years he had in AZ in 2016 and 2017. where he averaged 15 hrs and 34 doubles.
Drury is below league average and can play a bunch of positions…..at below league average. If he could be an above avg hitter or fielder, then he could be a more valuable utility player, but his performance strongly suggests he is barely replacement level on a good day.
He was worth 1.4 WAR in 260+ games in Arizona. Let’s not pretend that’s good.
He’s only 25 let’s not act as if the jury is already in.
Depends on if he was on another team and the Yankees were trading for him. All of a sudden a few of these Yankees fans would be screaming not no, but hell no.
Casey has no interest in an actual dialogue. He’s here for very poor trolling attempts. Don’t feed his inanity.
The Drury is deliberating.
He’s not a utility player and whether or not he’s blocked from a Yanks perspective has no bearing on his value to another team.
…Drury is a good player? Is there something I’m not seeing? He’s 25 and hasn’t hit for spit in the majors. He looks like a utility infielder and bench piece to me.
Maybe a Yangervis Solarte lite if he slightly improves into his mid-late 20s? He hasn’t been as good as Solarte to this point (albeit being just shy of 26), so there’s that.
Really? Let’s forget about this year since he’s only had 51 ABs
2016-2017
@ age 31 Solarte- .270/327/.400 w/ 33 hrs and 47 dbls
@ age 25 Drury- .275/.323/.454 w/ 29 hrs and 68 doubles
I’m just going to leave this right here.
Solarte was in SD. Drury in pre-humidor ARI. In that time span Solarte has a 105 wRC+, Drury a 97 wRC+.
I have no interest in bashing Drury, I just don’t think he’s what the Jays should be after, let alone be “thrilled” to get him.
Sure okay, I’ll accept the premise that Drury could turn into a lite version of Solarte, but why would the Jays want that? Why not go for higher risk arms or a guy with some serious risk/reward? Toronto isn’t competitive this year and probably won’t be next year, so why go for a player who might become an above average utility player – which, btw, is what Solarte is.
First, let’s please define what a “utility player” is because some of you are misusing it. It simply means “a player who can play several different positions. In general, each Major League Baseball team has at least one player who can be described as a utility player.” By that definition, being able to play multiple positions, then Machado would be a utility player. Ben Zobrist would be a utility player, etc. Also, utility players USUALLY end up being guys who don’t have enough of a bat to warrant regular play at one position. Drury in his 2 years has averaged 15 hrs and 35 doubles. Those are NOT the offensive power numbers you normally see from a “utility guy”. Ronny Torreyes IS a utility player. Let’s please stop this narrative because it’s not accurate.
Historically, utility guys were glove first guys who could play several positions but had a weak bat. He has flaws…. avg glove and low OBP, but he’s proven he deserves to be in the majors and has flashed the power many thought he would show when drafted. Keep in mind, he’s only had 2 full years in the majors. He’s not a star but the Jays got a player with obvious upside considering his age and performance.
His age is turning 26 in a month, which is petty much middle aged for a baseball player.
Maybe I’m wrong, maybe Drury will be another of the Encarnacion/Bautista/Donaldson late career break out guys that the Jays seem to somehow keep finding, but to me he looks like a guy who’s peak value is going too be maybe a 2 WAR league-average player. That isn’t worthless, but it also doesn’t strike me as the type of thing the Jays should be looking for in trades.
26 is middle aged? So then Machado, Judge, Sanchez, Harper, etc all of their careers are half way over? Keep in mind he’s not a rookie debuting at age 26. Yeezus.
Uh… yes? All of those players have likely peaked and will continue to be as good as they currently are for a few more years and then start to decline, probably in their early thirties, maybe slowly, maybe suddenly.
What is your point? That you expect Machado, Judge, Sanchez, and Harper to keep getting better? Or that you expect they will play until they’re 40?
A guy that’s putting up 5 WAR seasons at 26 can be reasonably expected to continue to do so for several more years, and then start to decline. Their decline goes from elite, to above average, to average, to replacement level. This gives them longer careers because they started from a higher level.
What do these players have to do with Drury? Drury has never put up a season even worth 1 WAR, and he’s about to turn 26. Is your theory that unlike all the players you named Drury will massively improve at the age of 26? It might happen, it’s happened before, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
If they all follow the same aging curve, the guys you named would be elite for a few more years, while Drury will be below average, then the others will be above average, while Drury will be a replacement level player.
McKinney is the SF Giants of the trade deadline — dealt every even year during a 4-year stretch.
The price for rentals has dramatically increased this year compared to years previous.
At least someone on here understands you got to give something to get something! Especially when competing with other teams for the player
Makes me wonder if the Reds will actually get a better return than expected for Harvey
DIdn’t he get bombed the last time out? Harvey’s peripherals are not good and if you watch him pitch he doesn’t look very good. I saw every Harvey start with the Mets and his first 4-5 as a Red and while his velocity was up, he got lucky a bunch of times in his “good” performances. He is fine as a #5 bc inconsistent is why a guy is a #5, but I wouldn’t expect much for him.
The return for Happ makes me all the more hopeful that we deal Gausman and Bundy. While comparable, they offer 2 and 3 years of control.
Giving up too much for Happ IMO. He’s obviously an upgrade, but a rental for 2 months and not a big enough difference maker.
Hopefully TOR takes some of his salary and/or sends a catcher back.
If this is true, then this is an OK return for Happ who is not an ace and never was expected to be. I would’ve preferred he went to the Brewers got Domingo Santana and a pitcher but this is a good return.
Blue Jays robbed the Yankees Drury will make an all star team and McKinney will be a solid pro and Happ will stink worse than Sonny Gray
Soria gone too the Braves are running out of affordable bullpen arms I think AA is bout to pull off something major with his reputation before this year he gotta be itching to do something
Lol Drury an all star eh.
Drury could maybe make the AAA all-star team if everything breaks right, but I highly doubt a career .316 OBP is going to do much at the MLB level to garner all-star talk.
Well his ERA is 4.18 so why would they do that?
Because his xERA is 3.59, and his WHIP is 1.18?
Well that seems like a bit of an overpay. Well, you cant win every trade, but I couldve seen Drury+McKinney be packaged with other prospects for a better pitcher.
Remember the time anti-Yankees fans tried to tell everybody that Drury has no value and will not be traded?
They didn’t acquire David Cone here dude
Im sorry, what? What does that have to do with anything that I am saying?
Also, I would like to remind you again that Greg Bird has been having himself a pretty good month of July, as i predicted.
You act like what they gave up were a starting MLB player and a top OF prospect. Those two wouldn’t get anything better without 2-3 top ten Yankees prospects. Who do you think they could get? Bird is doing ok.
They gave up a utility player that could certainly start when Donaldson is gone or start on a team like the Brewers in Drury and they gave up a decent/slightly above average OF prospect.
I did say to package Drury+McKinney with others for a better pitcher. I think a fairer trade would have been Drury+slightly lesser prospect than McKinney or McKinney+a mid level prospect and a lotto
Bird has had a .901 OPS since June 26th. Thats pretty good. A lot better than OK. If you want to just confine it to the month of July he has a .800 OPS with a .269 AVG. Thats a much better month than Moustsakas is having, whos sporting a cool .188 BA.
I just wanted to remind u bc im really proud of Bird:)
Package them for who?
I like that Rodon kid on the White Sox, Skaggs and Heany on the Angels, and there are couple young arms on the Royals that have good numbers (although a small sample size). STL has some good arms too. Obviously deGrom, Syndergaard, or Bumgardner would be cool, but i tried limiting my list of SP that the Yankees can package for to reasonably obtainable SP. Im sure there are others. Im not too big on Hamels or Tyson Ross.
It’s really strange that you’re calling out people for undervaluing Drury right after suggesting he should’ve brought back more in a trade. Perhaps you’re overvaluing him.
How is it strange? Its logically consistent. Both me saying that Drury was undervalued by people on this site and the fact that him+mckinney couldve been used in another package for a better pitcher sing with the idea that Drury holds some decent value. Which was the point i was making.
I would also like to mention that i was saying that the combination of Drury and McKinney seems like it couldve netted more than Happ.
You’re bragging that you ‘knew’ Drury had value… while lamenting over the fact that the Yankees didn’t get enough for him.
It’s not a logical leap to discuss the lack of return for a player while trying to prove he has more value than people assumed.
Was Drury undervalued by people on this site? Probably. Pretty much every player is undervalued by opposing fans. Could he have brought back more in a trade, as you’re suggesting? Probably not. I’m not a Yankees fan, but I’ll trust Brian Cashman’s assessment of the trade market over yours.
I dont know who youre quoting, and why you are so hostile.
Again, you seem to have misunderstood me saying that the package of Drury and McKinney was an overpay for Happ and instead are pretending that I am saying that Drury on his own is Happ+ or something like that. Which is not what I am saying.
My points were that Drury has value regardless of the many people who said that he has no value and will not be traded so its pointless to include him in trade talks and that Drury+McKinney was an overpay for Happ. Your points are that Drury cant have the value you say he has if you say he couldve gotten more and that Brian Cashman is smarter than me? The first counter argument you present is moot because it mischaracterizes the argument i made to begin with. And I agree with the Brian Cashman thing, but what does that have to do with the points I am making? Is Brian Cashman unable to overpay for a player? I can assure you he isnt (and im not saying he is a bad GM i think he is arguably the best), if you look he overpaid for Headly and traded Gamel away for nothing along with Cave and others. Are you trying to say that just because a trade was made that it had to have been of equal value? That because Drury+McKinney was traded for Happ that the value of Drury+McKinney=Happ? If not i have no idea what you are on about.
I just find it weird that you are so bent out of shape about this. I didnt say anything contradictory. Me saying that he has value and that he and mckinney couldve netted something better if paired with other prospects both say that I think that Drury has value. It would be another thing if I said “drury has a lot of value” and then i say that “hahah cashman fleeced yall for drury out of all people”. But I obviously didnt
On the one hand, Drury and McKinney were never going to start on the Yanks. On the other hand, Happ is a rental. Not sure how I feel about this
i’ll admit i dont quite understand the Yanks fans complaining about this one.
Nothing wrong with a “rental player”, despite the common refrain in the comments section on this site, & that’s reflected in the extremely palatable price here anyhow. I think that the fact that Happ comes off the books after this season (thus freeing up budget room) reads as a feature & not a bug. If it turns out his time with NYY is a splendid success, consider resigning him then. Rinse & repeat re: Zach Britton, kind of obviously.
Just because something is a rental with limited later risk doesn’t mean that it’s fine to overpay. I’m kind of “meh” on this deal. On one hand Drury and McKinney don’t tear apart the team but it would be nice to have some protection should an important player at 3b or 2b get hurt going into the playoffs. We do NEED some pitching and Happ might be able to help. I wonder if Cashman agreed to the overpay as a courtesy to Drury so he can play everyday or if he really felt pressed to get him because of competitive offers and the Jays insisted on him being added? I would rather they move Drury vs Frazier tho.
Giving up Drury and McKinney probably won’t hurt the Yanks but I’m not crazy about the back ups being Torryes and Walker God forbid there be an injury to someone. I don’t care what anyone thinks or has to say, Drury was acquired coming off of two back to back seasons where he averaged 15 hrs and 34 doubles while sporting an ok .787 OPS. He’s only 25, isn’t even arbitration eligible until next season and has 4 years of control left. For a 2 month rental AND a decent prospect, Jays fans should be enthusiastic about what they received. You now have an immediate replacement for Donaldson and he’s already proven he can play at the mlb level as opposed to a prospect with no mlb vetting. Congrats.
Eh, Brandon Drury has proximity on his side, but he hasn’t even amassed a win above replacement total in almost three seasons plus (over 1,000 PAs) during his career to this point. Perhaps you’re higher on Billy McKinney than I, but I am sort of underwhelemed by the return for the Jays, honestly. Granted, I’d prefer it to a compensation pick (again, due mainly to the perceived proximity of both players to impacting the MLB product), but it’s hardly a boon.
I really think that if he were a Jays rookie that came up and the same season Drury had in 2016 and 2017 then your perception would be different. You would see a young promising player in his 3rd year at age 25 that averaged 15 hrs and 35 dbls each year. The argument would be “stick with the youngsters” and “give him time to develop”. It’s all about perspective here imo.
So stupid to trade Drury for Happ. Blue Jays made out like bandits here.
With all these trades the past few days, I’m here wondering where is dealing Dipoto? Surprised he hasn’t made any trades recently.
I don’t know what got into Cashman the last week or so, but it’s not good. Buying a dollar for 8 quarters never is.
if you keep fleecing teams theyll not want to trade with you. hopefully its all just part of the master plan here
Drury has been a stone in Cashman’s shoe since he looked at the wrong column and mistook Drury’s OBP for his batting average and traded for him.
Holy hell man! You’ve littered this board with your garbage. It’s, so, so poor. For the love of all good trolls, leave it be, Casey!
.263 OBP
.316 career OBP
Drury is a stud.
He had like less then 100 plate appearances this year where have you been dude? go back under the bridge.
Dude.
Drury has over one thousand plate appearances in MLB and has a .316 OBP.
That stinks.
Almost league average. League wide OBP is down, adjust your norm.
Acquiring a guy with a career .316 OBP is like someone with high cholesterol injecting themselves with the Ebola virus to thin their blood.
Dude it’s so bad, Casey. Like, really bad. I’m really embarrassed for you. You need to put an end to this. I can give you trolling lessons if you need them; I hate to see a guy floundering like this.
Much ado about nothing!! Happ is comparable to the rest of the staff except Severino. This is as big an impact move as Eovaldi. So far, the only high impact move has been Machado. Everything else has been support moves not impact moves. As a fan, this trading deadline has been more of a trading dudline! Congrats to the Dodgers for getting the one impact player during this deadline period.
I mean, every trade deadline primarily consists of moves trying to add in the margins for contenders in advance of the crapshoot that is the postseason. To claim otherwise is kind of willfully oblivious with a side of silly, honestly.
Excellent point, tho Eovoldi. IMHO, will wind up being more consequential than Happ. But for the most part, the week’s been kind of “meh”. The only other deal of real meaning was Houston’s; Maldanado’s a really good player. And gives them the best defense they’ve had at catcher for forever,
He’s comparable to Gray, Cessa and German? What games are you watching?
11 years of Happ being very average for 9 of them. His good years were like Gray’s good years. Cessa and German don’t have a track record to compare. I personally like German more than “normal” Happ. If you get “good” Happ then he is better than the two youngsters. If you got “good” Gray I think he is better than “good” Happ. Problem is some guys don’t pitch well in NY like Gray and a long list of others. Will Happ? Nobody knows until he tries.
Ok trade I guess. I’m not that high on haap, but he is better than german and co and was the best option out there.
Jay’s weren’t getting top prospects so a decent player in Drury for 4 years and a flier on McKinney is a good haul for a guy they were losing anyway
I think Toronto got the better talent, but Drury and McKinney literally had no place in the Yankees organization. And it’s too bad, both are decent ballplayers, but it is what it is. I hope Happ has something left- the Yankees sure could use someone who can pitch a dependable 5-6 innings per start. No matter what, Happ & Britton make the Yankees better.
**Now if the Yankees can just score some runs!!
Aaaaaaaand JA Haap goes from solid starting pitcher to a absolute stiff in a matter of minutes.
Per fans of every team that didn’t get him.
And at the same time Drury goes from a stiff to being Javier Beaz.
Lol
All of a sudden Arizona, Oakland, and Chicago were wrong on these two players.
Why is Drury being held in such high regard? He was average at best with the DBacks and then lost his spot on the Yanks roster to 2 rookies (yes I get Torres was a no brainer). All I keep reading is how this guy is gonna be a star with tons of upside? Seems overhyped to me…if he’s so special why is this his 3rd team in a few years?
Only to the whiney Yankee haters
Because the Yankees traded him and yankee haters are not known for their objectivity.
Wherever you read Drury is going to be a star… is a place you need to stop visiting
How do you guys call this an overpay?
It’s not
If Happ continues what he’s done for the past three years, the Yankees got a good deal, no matter what the guys going the other way do.
The Yankees, it is fair to say, are aiming for the Championship. They paid next to nothing in terms of depth assets for a guy who, since a visit to The Pitcher Whisperer in Pittsburgh back in ’15, in 88 starts, his team’s W-L record is 55-33. On a team that could only be called “good” a month or two at a time….
The Yankees will get, what, maybe 10 starts out of him. A better team, it wouldn’t surprise me to see them go 7-3 or 8-2 in those games.
They bought him to do that job. If he does it well, the cost of acquisition …is almost irrelevant imo.
Happ is better than Gray or German right now. And Drury and McKinney are victims of the depth chart
They’re victims of being future bench players on any team, if McKinney ever makes a club.
Mckinney is a victim of his 230/307 slash line in AAA. His Power looks good, albeit in AAA. But he’s not exactly demanding a call up.
True. Gray has a 5+ ERA this year and an ugly WHIP. German….I don’t quite know when to trust him. Sometimes he pitches lights out and other times he can’t throw a strike. He is basically averages out to a low#4 or high #5 guy. He has zero business pitching in the post-season. I’m admittedly a yankee hater, but this was a solid pick up considering they gave up a below replacement level utility guy and 5th outfielder for a backend starter who has done okay against the good teams. Eovaldi would have been a better get, but TB may have demanded more from the Yankees.
How can you hate on Happ but like Eovaldi?
Strange that the armchair GMs here think they know more than their future HOF GM. Happ is much better than his stats show and he will start playoff games for you this year. The negative nellies will be chanting his name then and I will roll my eyes at your fickle, elitist nature.
Completely agree. 3.59 ERA+, 3.84 FIP and 1.17 WHIP.
Throw in the Red Sox struggle against lefties, and lefties fare well in Yankee Stadium,
No need to quote the long list of SPs that came to the Bronx and failed. Two words… Sonny Gray. What Happ did on a last place team with no pressure has nothing to do with what he will do with a team fighting to make the playoffs and lots of pressure. Flip a coin. No way to know which Happ shows up, the guy with the 4+ ERA and 1.3 WHIP (9 of his 11 years) or the guy SaberSmuckers presented. Yankee fans hope the later, Red Sox, Houston, Cleveland fans hope the former.
Do you have a job? Lol
Never seen anyone post so much about another team.
Haap was on a bad team so his numbers mean nothing now that hes in a pennant race. Got it.
But that known big game pitcher Nate eovaldi will no doubt pitch fine in boston right? Lmfao
The yankees have gotton pitchers that came to the bronx and failed? NO WAY! You should seriously be working for someone with that kind of groundbreaking news.
Red sox have never had a pitcher go there and fail, I’m trying to think of one but I can’t right now I’m busy playing fort night.
Let me throw one right out there..uh DAVID eck and everyone’s against me PRICE…
One of the most inspiring posts yet. Take a bow bruh
Be honest…are you JA Happ?
Go Yankees go Yankees
Great year for Sox/Yankees baseball!
Be great if they can both keep the pace and end up over 105.
Drury is an interesting pick-up since they have Donaldson and Guerrero at 3B. Picking up a guy who is 25 going into ARB 1 next year and costing 600K (roughly) having a higher ceiling that this year would suggest is a nice move. Potentially, a corner outfield or another infield position or simply depth this guy is an excellent pick-up for a guy with Happ’s history. At age 23 & 24 Drury performed well then came to the Yankees and had to take a back seat to Andujar. No shame in that.
Billy McKinny is a 23 year old OF who had climbed to roughly 10th on the Yankee farm system chart (depending on who you believe when observing farm rankings). He’s young with excellent potential. He needs to develop consistency in his hitting if he wants to play in the bigs.
Happ is an average SP rental. He is in his 11th year and has had two years where he performed well above the average. His 2016 season makes you think he might be able to be a stud but since then his years resemble his other 9 years of 4+ ERAs and WHIPS that are over 1.3. Is he really going to make a difference? No not thru dominating opponents.. But if injuries occur you have depth. It’s like Britton in that Britton won’t close unless Chapman gets hurt, he simply provides depth.
Is it worth it to give up on two prospects to get a guy for 2 months who should be your #5 SP? If you are a rich king and money is no object then tossing a couple of gold/silver coins for a 5th SP makes sense, especially if there is a chance you may lose them because you have more prospects than the rules allow. If you are an average citizen (small market team) this probably doesn’t make much sense unless you too happen to have more prospects than the rules will allow you to keep.
Only time will tell on this one. If Happ pitches like he did in 2 of his 11 years then it was probably worth it. If he pitches like he did in the other 9, then, it was a gamble that didn’t pay off. Eovaldi could be evaluated in the same way. Time will tell.
How do figure Happ is going to be a #5? What rule of logic did you use there? I’d be fascinated to hear that train of thought.
And no one has more prospects than the rules allow. If they did, they would lose them because the rules don’t allow it. You sound ridiculous.
You think Britton is just depth in case Chapman goes down? Have you watched baseball the past ten years? Britton will be a premier bullpen piece, possibly the set-up man on certain days. He doesn’t have value only if Chapman goes down.
I’m not explaining Rule 5 to you. Look it up. As far as Britton goes, you already had enough guys in your bullpen to be a set-up man some days or any other way you use him. I said he was depth. Look up the word depth while you are looking up Rule 5.
“Is it worth it to give up on two prospects to get a guy for 2 months who should be your #5 SP?” – KD 17
“If you are a rich king and money is no object then tossing a couple of gold/silver coins for a 5th SP makes sense” KD 17
Lol, what a troll, you are a special one. If you meant Rule 5 by that then you should take a basic grammar class. Hate when people try to sound intelligent but are clearly in way over their heads.
Brewers have one of the best bullpens in baseball and they added Soria today. But I guess you know more than both GM’s. You can never have enough relievers, have you watched any baseball the past ten years? Your brilliant post leads me to believe you haven’t.
And only a fool would think Britton would immediately be the closer if Chapman went down. You implied that he would be, that’s news to an actual baseball fan.
Keep trying, your posts are hilarious. I’ll give you couple gold and silver coins if you keep quiet. Gold and silver coins, who talks that way? Are you in the forest with Robin Hood?
Here is the method he used.
I’m a red sox fan and I hate the yankees so Haap is a number 5 starter even though hes pretty much dominated the sox for three years.
I ignore facts like those cause I don’t like them. I’d rather not talk about that.
Briton, who I was begging for the sox to get, I’ve now decided is roster filler who won’t make a difference, it helps me sleep.
My team has a 6 game lead, and yes, I’m in panic mode.
I disagree completely with the fool that was trying to make it sound like he said Rule 5 and not a 5 starter. That wasn’t even English, lol.
As for you, all Yankee hatred aside I think you agree that Happ is a solid 3 (not on your team, you are stacked), and that Britton is going to help us alot. But I find your reasoning hilarious.
As far as panic mode, that should have ended in 2004. You haven’t been the same franchise since. Your team is a machine right now, sucks what happened to you yesterday. That wasn’t fair.
The Yankees only have so much room on the 40 man roster. What he meant is they have too many good prospects to protect so they had to trade some this year no matter what.
Sheffield, Adams, and others aren’t on the 40 man yet and would be stolen in the rule 5 if room is not made.
If the Yankees had to lose someone then this is how you do it, you trade pieces that have no future in your organization (blocked).
And as for Happ I agree as well, he’s a #4-5. Even the best Sonny Gray is better than the best Happ. Though I do believe he’ll play well in Yankee stadium if he limits the home runs and I expect him to handle BOS easily as they can’t hit LHP
I think you are being way too hard on Happ there. The the legendary pitching coach over with the Pirates turned his career around in 2015. Look at his ratios, his B/9 has below 3.00 since, it was normally 3.5 to well over 4.00.
2018 Happ 4.18ERA 3.84FIP 2.0WAR 27.4K% 7.4BB%
Yankees outside of their ace
Sabarthia 3.51ERA 4.55FIP 1.1WAR 17.9K% 6.7BB%
Gray 5.34ERA 4.42FIP 1.1WAR 21.2% 9.8%
Tanaka 4.09ERA 4.58FIP 0.9WAR 24.9% 6.2BB%
IMO Happ is the Yankees 2nd pitcher. Gray has potential to come back, Tanaka has HR issues and Sabarthia is solid but he shouldn’t have a 3.50ERA
I count 5 seasons Happ posted an ERA under 4. Maybe 6 this year. Get real pal.
You know what the Yankees need? They basically need someone to give them 5 innings. That’s it. Happ isn’t an ace, and they don’t need him to be. Problem is guys like German get shelled in the first inning and the team is down 3 runs (or worse) before they get to the bullpen.
If Happ can go 5 you can turn it over to Britton, Robertson, Green, Betances, Warren, Chapmnan, etc.
Shorten the game.
I agree about them needing SP to give them at least 5in, the problem being is that outside of Severino….the rest of their staff will be lucky to go more than 5in. Having your #3-#4 guy in the playoffs give you 5in is acceptable, but that will burn out a bullpen if he does it during the season.
Wow that seems like a huge overpay?
The Yankees gave up 2 players that they had no place for and filled a need. An overpay??? Only if you’re a Yankee hater.
I’m a Yankees fan
It’s an overpay in the sense that Drury and McKinney could have been trade chips in a bigger package for a better pitcher. The problem is, that type of pitcher hasn’t become available. NYY traded pieces from a position of strength.
Blue Jays are idiots. Trade in the same division?
He’s a rental so division means nothing. They are not going to compete this year and Happ is a FA after the season so what difference does it make?
Idiots? They just got a controllable MLB player in Drury who will be in Toronto til 2021 as well as a decent prospect in McKinney for two months of Happ. This was a great trade for Toronto.
Astros move.
Happs last game for the Jays:
5IP, 4H, 1ER, 0W, 9K.
Fourth time this year he has had 9 or more Ks and 0 walks. Ties with Scherzer for league lead. With this bullpen, that will do every game. Also, he loves dominating the Red Sox. Just saying.
Look a little deeper 19 runs given up over last 4 games. (I know 5 were unearned due to one error).
Good point – teams should only look for pitchers who go entire seasons without having a stretch of bad games. Those don’t cost much right? I mean did the Yankees even call the Red Sox and Astros to ask about Sale and Verlander?
What’s wrong with Billy? His 4th organization now.
McKinney is like the new Brett Walace. He was also a 1st round pick that was traded three times before he made the majors. Hopefully McKinney ends up a little better than him.
EDIT: Scratch that, I forgot he played with the Yanks earlier this year.
Heard they gave up a lot on local NY radio. Considering this was an intra-division trade, it seems reasonable. Great deal for Toronto and given the alternative options, a good deal for NY.
12 seasons and 18WAR?
Pretty impressive.
1.08 WHIP, 2.16 ERA and 10.8 K/9 against the Red Sox and Astros this year, That works for me.
And Drury is at .09 after four seasons, what’s your point? Half of Happ’s 18.6 has come the past three seasons. You must think Charlie Morton sucks, I mean his WAR is only 3.6 over 11 seasons.
They don’t need him to come in here and be David Cone. Just need someone better than German/Cessa – and he is.
“You must think Charlie Morton sucks”
He doesn’t think, thats the problem.
Just a jealous yankee hater who is to afraid to say who his team is, lol.
Haha, good one. He clearly does not think.
Someone else pointed out Drury’s home/road splits and they are very pro-Arizona, so they may not have given up as much as people think.
Why do you like playing victim so much, Boogaloo. You’ve trolled a lot of other teams showing you’re also a “hater”
Lefty starting pitcher in his mid-30’s with a 4 ERA in the AL East commanding Drury and McKinney is appropriate. If there was any criticism toward the Jays, it’s that they haven’t gone after pitching. Pitching is a bit thin in the organization right now. That said, can’t complain.
Still more deals to be made by Toronto. It’s expected Granderson and Solarte are on the move with Drury and McKinney coming in.
For the Jays, this trade is all about Drury’s health. If its good, the Jays do well. Mckinney will be a very fringe major leaguer. He is a Yankee hype prospect. I say flip Mckinney for pitching.
Yankee fans are going to love Happ. Great pickup. #Scoutseyes
I don’t understand the hype on Drury even when healthy. Check his stats away from the very friendly Dbacks park — well below average.
Drury is good enough return for a 2 month rental of Happ, a #3 starter at this stage in his career.
Drury did okay in Arz. He is not a star but a decent utility guy. The current Jays brass covet guys who can play multiple positions.
As long as Drury’s health is okay, the Jays will do well in this deal.
I like this deal. It would be a great deal if the Jays could quickly flip McKinney or package him with others for near ready starting pitching.
OK, I just don’t see it with so many teams looking for starting pitching I thought Jays would have done better.
You’re correct about he home/away splits, good call. This definitely lessons the blow. I thought Drury had more potential, and he very well may end up doing OK, but those splits are telling.
Might do better in Toronto and that division. Maybe not. He could be Teoscar Hernandez type bat. Or a total bust. In Toronto Drury is a stopgap for the next two years at the very least.
Are they talking about a total rebuild up there? And what happened to Stroman? He’s from my area, seems like a different pitcher.
Stroman has been hurt. Shoulder issues. Once those start it is almost impossible to get it back.
Having said that, Years ago, I called Stroman a closer.. He will never be the ace that people want him to be. He is capable of a good game every once in a while, but his true colours are showing now. He doesn’t have the personality to grind out inning after inning. He has blow up innings every 2nd ggame. He is a two turns of the batting order #3 starter, nothing more.
He can be an elite closer though,. #Scoutseyes
Good word for it. Drury is a stopgap.
Makes one wonder why the Jays wouldn’t try for an elite arm, even from the lower minors?
I know other teams offered arms, especially one team out west made a good to very good offer with a young arm [Rookie Ball] for Happ.
Thanks for the info.
Most pitchers shouldn’t be allowed to face the line-up for a third time, but I thought he was better than that.
He faced Matz in what may have been a HS Championship game down here, it made the local paper so I always tried to keep an eye on both. Matz being easier since he’s in my backyard.
Well unless Henke is coming out of retirement, maybe that’s not the worst idea for Stroman.
If an “elite” arm was ever on the table, I would think they would’ve taken it. Do you have team or prospect’s name?
Not yet -friend inside the room didn’t provide that info.
@Denny Doyle — I take it this is your first time encountering Jimmertree and his “scout’s eyes”
Momus, what does that mean?
Far be it from me to put words in the mouth of Momus, but here I go anyway –
Nobody likes you because your #Scoutseyes is pretentious. Also, you make statements that you never take back even when wrong. For example, you wiped your behind on the Jays signing Oh who put up decent stats for them and in return netted them prospects for very little investment. Finally, you always claim to have an ear inside the room, yet never reveal anything.
I’m sure others have more details, but that sums up the broad part of it.
Wow, u guys do read into a lot of what’s not actually written or meant. Let me explain.Of course I make mistakes everyone does, but the miscalls are very rare.
1. Oh’s signing was useless in the big picture, The Jays were going nowhere and I acutally called that correctly in spring training. The prospects they got for him are very bad and poor. In the end I will be right on Oh’s signing. Sure he pitched well at a times and terrible at times. I agree with you that he was decent. Just unnecessary.
2. I do have an ear inside the room, and as I have honestly said before, I DO NOT have permission to use a name etc – only the info and I don;’t get all the info.
3. As far as the term Scoutseyes goes,, this is honest: in the late 90’s I was recruited by the twins and the MLB scouting bureau as a bird dog scout. Not paid, but to recommend players for the paid scouts to look at.I still have my Twins recruitment letter and my MLB Bureau gear. I helped put at prospect camps as well.
Hope that clears some things up.
One more add: I am not looking to be liked. I am looking for the same respect I extend to you and others on this site.
That is why I don’t call people out or call them names. Ever.
Let’s keep it respectful and professional.
So McKinney is a fringe major leaguer??? Then tell me “scouts eyes” how will they flip him for pitching? Why would another team do that?
A team trades Mckinney by bundling him with other players.
And FYI, all teams don’t likely think he will be a fringe guy. Someone else said in these blogs, think “Brett Wallace” when you think of Mckinney -highly valued prospect that got a sniff of the bigs but didn;’t quite make it.
“FYI” lmao. Thanks… smh.
Are the yankees done? What if.. the yankees make a blockbuster now by sending sonny gray, clint frazier and prospects albert abreau, domingo acevedo and chance adams to washington (for scherzer and cash)… frazier could act as replacement of bryce harper if he leaves washington im reading may be sellers
Congrats to Happ. Long way from St Bede to Yankee stadium. He’s had a nice career
Yankees acquired Drury from Arizona for prospects 8 Nick Solak and 14 Taylor Widener.
So, from a complete valuation standpoint the Yankees gave up prospects 8,14, and 20 for Happ.
The key word is “prospects”. No guarantees that any of them will ever even become major league players
Key word also is “35 year old, rental” pitcher. No guarantees there either.
Teams that are going for the playoffs take those chances, like the Red Sox with Eovaldi
Toronto did well !
Drury (age 25) will be good given the chance….smart acquisition …
McKinney (23?) … you simply dont know yet….VG “throw-in” if you’d like to call him that …
Drury has a .316 OBP in over 1,000 plate appearances. And like another poster pointed out, check out home/road splits. He may have been a function of the Diamondbacks ballpark. I think the Yankees did well, as well.
Happ’s given up 19 runs over last four starts. Get what you give.
Also had 24 K’s in those 17 innings, he’ll be fine.
And he has great numbers against the Red Sox and Astros.
Yeah…. but McKinney was 40 man fodder, so him value doesn’t mean much to NY.
After players have been trade from NY, the 40 man fodder flies.
I actually agree with you…whoa
Of course you do. That is company line BS.
Bob, as I said above, McKinney is a product of the Yankee hype machine. He will be a fringe major leaguer.
If Drury’s health is okay, then the Jays will do okay with this trade. They will try to fix his home/.away problems.
What would make this trade much better, is that the Jays would immediately flip Mckinney or package him with others for elite pitching arm[s].
Jays aren’t getting any elite pitching arms unless you wanna wave goodbye to Vlad Jr or Bichette. If that’s the case then yeah you’ll get a top arm. McKinney won’t be much help.
How can you fix his home/away splits? Do you request all ballparks look just like Arizona?
McKinney was a 2013 1st round pick, Yanks were his third team. Outiside of the days after the Chapman trade I’ve heard no hype in NY about him.
“The Blue Jays are surely thrilled to be able to pick up a controllable MLB asset in the form of Drury ”
Get out of town. “Thrilled”?!?!?!? It’s adequate perhaps but thrilled? Come on.
Yanks can now try to move S. Gray. They have enough bullpen top quality more than any team to cover 3 innings 3 x per week easy. If CC, Tanaka can do it then w Haap & Severino we are SOLID! Now if Stanton & Judge can just hit the ball w less K’s we okay in the LCS!
You still think K’s are an indicator of a bad hitter? You should do some reading up on the game the past 5-10 years.
I hate to go on and on but it irks me that people look at Drury like he’s a fringe AAAA guy. And to be honest, I didn’t even want the Yanks to trade for him as I felt Andujar should’ve been given the job in spring training. That being said, it’s moronic to look at what he’s done in 2018 considering the injury he had and the sporadic 54 AB he’s had thus far.
2016 + 2017 among all 2b.w/ 400 AB over 2 seasons
Drury ranks 6th in doubles with 68, 20th in HRS with 29, and 30th in OBP.
He obviously has his flaws. He’s no defensive wizard and he has a low OBP. But he’s also only 25 yo, has 4 years of control and isn’t arbitration eligible until 2019.
To net a player like him who can play 2b, 3b, and both corner OF PLUS a prospect like McKinney who was a former top 100 prospect and came on strong last year in AAA for a guy who IS A GOOD PITCHER but is a 2 month rental and has a 7+ ERA in his last 4 starts is mind boggling and shows that you guys are overvaluing Happ and undervaluing Drury.
You want us to ignore the recent stumbles of Happ and value him as a whole but then want to focus on 54 ABs of Drury and ignore the positives of his previous 2 seasons (avg of 15 hrs and 35 dbls his first full 2 seasons). Amazing…..
Decent trade both sides. Time will likely bare this out.
He IS a AAAA guy, if not SLIGHTLY better. He’s produced about 0.5 WAR per 600 PAs. And yes, I’m counting his stats from this year – everyone plays injured.
Everyone plays injured? Not even going to bother to respond to that.
Drury could be a low end starter…potentially. He was graded as an abover average hitter but poor in the field in his first season. He was graded as an average fielder but a slightly below hitter in season 2. If he can stick at a position, he could certainly become a starter. Albeit not a very good one. Your lineup isn’t typically filled with 9 studs though if he can be a steady everyday regular Then it works out.
Few flaws with your argument.
Drury has played less than half of his games as a second baseman, only reason that is your comp is because it helps your case. But even with that he’s 30th in OBP, that’s pretty brutal.
You state Drury has four years of control, and Happ is a two month rental. Yet Drury’s control is closer to 3 years. Again, helps your case, but isn’t factual.
First you say “it’s moronic to look at what he’s done in 2018 considering the injury he had and the sporadic 54 AB he’s had thus far“, then “for a guy who IS A GOOD PITCHER but is a 2 month rental and has a 7+ ERA in his last 4 starts”. So if people are morons (I wouldn’t personally go that far, but I agree that 2018 as a stand alone is not a good indicator) to look at Drury’s 2018, what does it make the person who looks at Happ’s last four starts and then knocks him?
Amazing…(only left three “…”, not sure why anyone would need more).
Over pay
overpay? maybe? but still a must trade for yanks
jays get drury who was gonna ask out at seasons end
and mckinney who I believe came over with drury
the 40 man roster is full so very likely they would have
been traded anyway
happ will pitch against bosox on 4th or 5th of august
then cc or severino will get a 10 day dl fatigue rest
and once the deadline passes we can give a few
spot starts to shefield
not connected to jays but can they move donaldson?
Donaldson had a setback in his calf recovery. If he is traded and I don’t think he will be, it will be an August deal after he has a chance to prove himself.
When healthy he can carry a team.
I think the Jays are going to qualify offer him. .
“Jays get Drury who was gonna ask out at seasons end” if he decided to ask out as you say it wouldn’t matter cause he’d have no leverage. “and mckinney who I believe came over with drury” McKinney came over from the Cubs in the Chapman trade. “cc or severino will get a 10 day dl fatigue rest” why in the world would they put their two most effective starters on the DL when they need every start out of them as possible. Sheffield is not needed til rosters expand in September.
hey cereal, been reading you for awhile, respect your opinion
imo-thinking drury is unhappy in his unexpected role, my mistake
on McKinney, cc and severino will get staggered rests in august
that are much needed afte the bosox the first weekend
in august and the push late aug into sept. shefield was held back
and german and others used in case he was needed in a major trade
and cash didn’t want to take a chance on a poss bad outing
hurting his value after 7/31 you can see him at any time as needed
Thanks, and I didn’t mean to come across as talking down or anything. I to am looking forward to seeing Sheffield whenever. I got the chance to see Sheffield pitch against the Indianapolis Indians while visiting a buddy in Indy, he gave up 4 in the first then locked in not allowing anymore going six.
Billy McKinney went to the Yankees in the Chapman deal. Who was previously acquired by the Cubs from Oakland along with Addison Russell and Jason Hammel and Jeff Samardzija. That worked out great for the Cubs.
Mookie Betts says hi.
The Sox are shivering in their cleats.Ohhh no not Happ!!
It’s the battle of the middle of the rotation starter. Let’s see who makes a bigger difference from the 2 pick up’s that both teams made.
I still believe nothing has changed in this rivalry the Sox are still a better team.
And don’t sleep on the Pearce pick up I believe it’s gonna be a huge pick up for the Sox.He’s already raking! You can’t go wrong with another.300 hitter in the Sox line up.
Sox gonna win the division, but Yankees win the World Series. Book it. And this from a Jays fan.
Look up Happ’s stats against the Sox. Then ask the mods to delete your comment
Heck of a return for the Jays. Seems almost crazy to me that they were able to get two MLB assets for a decent mid-rotation rental like Happ. These kinds of trades usually don’t bring in that much. Consider the Braves trade of Jaime Garcia. Many other similar examples. Happ may have some upside apparently but he’s gone in a few months and will probably give you a 4.00 ERA at best.
I know he is blocked,but Billy is going to be solid
Wish he was used for a bigger piece.
“but Billy is going to be solid” Which scouts of his previous teams said this? Was it Oakland or Chicago?
He was not worth a “bigger piece”
Billy Mckinney is going to be a fringe player, not a solid piece let alone a core player. Mckinney is the product of the Yankee hype machine. He’ll play decent defense but won’t hit much in the majors.
He’ll bounce back and forth between AAA and the show multiple times before being traded again, and maybe again before going quietly into the night. Some people on here are acting like Drury had a huge career in Arizona and Cashman fleeced the D-Backs and Tampa.
Yankees aren’t done I’m sure they will get a catcher and a left handed hitter with power. Moustakas fits that profile.
Everybody needs to stop with the WAR it’s total nonsense how can anybody respect a stat that doesn’t have a difinitive calculation it’s a made up number and until somebody can explain to me the formula that comes up with the final number I refuse to respect it
You wanna quote OPS or any other stat that can be calculated find but WAR is total nonsense and the sabermetric geeks need to leave it alone
All I know is the best players have the highest WAR maybe not a good indicator but it sure does hit it on the nose for the best players.
There actually os a definitive calculation for it and it’s not a made up number. Every single thing you do as a player (walk, double, strikeout, etc.) has a value to it. What percentage does that add to your team either adding or preventing runs over a replacement level player.
The culmination of your offense and defense then can be calculated into how many “wins” you are worth as a player. Is it perfect? No absolutely not. The dWAR stat is also unreliable IMO. But in terms of oWAR it makes a lot of sense.
What I am saying is every publication has a different calculation to figure its own WAR and for the record how can anybody respect a stat that has Loe Whitaker on the same level as Derek Jeter over the course of their careers
It’s helpful to know that Lou Whittaker was very underrated in his era. It’s also helpful to acknowledge that Derek Jeter was somewhat overrated. The best and primary function of WAR measurements is to remove WS rings, AS appearances, and similar awards and just measure players on facts only.
Totally agree Lou Whitaker might be one of the biggest hall snubs ever. Derek Jeter was a great player but I agree was somewhat overrated his defense was really not that good. Lou was a complete player travesty he isn’t in the hall. The heroics that Jeter has in the post season and playing in New York will make him a shoe in for the hall why is Lou penalized for playing for a smaller market team.
As a Yankee fan these last two trades are great moves for the Yankees. The Yankee farm system is so deep that decisions on all if not most of these 5 guys traded for these two pitchers would have been tough Rule 5 decisions. There is a surplus of talent that still needs to be added to their 40 man roster this winter.
As far as this season the Yankees shot is as good as the other great teams in baseball. What it comes down to is who gets hot at the right time.
Nice bag of cliches!!! Isn’t it great to mix words and phrases together you have heard a million times from other people and then think you came up with something original??!!yawnnnnnn session!!!!
Isn’t it great to unnecessarily add additional exclamation points and question marks to end your sentences because you’re too dumb to know how silly it makes you look?
But smart enough to know your an asshat who wasted precious time in your simplistic boring world to respond!!!
Nice trade actually. For both and I was half right. I said McKinney was going to be in the package all along. Rule 5 40 man bubble, had no place really. Drury a bit of a surprise, but makes sense and totally fine with it. Yanks are probably going hard after Machado in the offseason and can sort things out then with the roster. Right now, making the right moves. Outside of Drury, the Yanks really have given up nothing they can live without. And they got probably a top 10 reliever and a filler back end rotation pitcher. Not a single top prospect moved.
Tate
Solid deal for the Blue Jays. They have more use for both guys than the Yankees do and no use for Happ this year. For the Yankees, I can see Happ as a backup option, but I don’t see him as really improving their rotation by all that much. I get that they didn’t give up much in terms of their farm depth, but this move doesn’t really seem to move the needle in terms of their title chances.
Happ is a back-up? What does that even mean?
I understand that most Yankees fans are basically 50/50 on this trade. But I need a question answered by a Blue Jays fan where is Drury going to play. Vlad Jr is going to play third.