The Astros have optioned righty Ken Giles to Triple-A, per a club announcement. Southpaw Cionel Perez will take his place on the active roster.
Giles, 27, was originally acquired to be the Astros’ closer in a 2016 blockbuster that sent Vince Velasquez, Mark Appel, Tom Eshelman, Brett Oberholtzer and Harold Arauz to the Phillies. After an up-and-down first season in Houston, Giles looked to be emerging as the dynamic late-inning weapon the ’Stros had hoped to acquire in 2017, tossing 62 2/3 innings of 2.30 ERA ball with 14 strikeouts per nine innings against 3.4 BB/9.
The postseason, however, proved to be another story, as Giles yielded runs in all but one of his seven playoff appearances and eventually fell behind both Lance McCullers Jr. and Charlie Morton when manager A.J. Hinch was looking for late-inning relief options late in Houston’s eventual World Series run. The inconsistencies have carried over to 2018, as Giles had already largely ceded ninth-inning duties to Hector Rondon and will now carry a 4.99 ERA through 30 2/3 innings with him to Triple-A Fresno.
To his credit, Giles owns a superlative 31-to-3 K/BB ratio so far in 2018 and has allowed only two home runs on the season. But he’s also seen his hard-contact rate rise by roughly 10 percent and been generally more hittable, averaging 10.6 hits per nine innings pitched against last year’s mark of 6.3. Giles’ .368 BABIP undoubtedly has played a role in those struggles, but a spike in that regard should be expected when surrendering considerably more hard contact to opponents.
The tipping point for Giles may well have come last night. Given a three-run lead in the ninth inning, Giles allowed three consecutive singles to open the frame before being pulled by manager A.J. Hinch. A frustrated Giles visibly appeared to cuss as he left the mound, potentially at Hinch, though there’s been no confirmation of that. After the game, Hinch told reporters (Twitter link via Chandler Rome of the Houston Chronicle): “That stuff happens in the heat of battle. I didn’t hear anything. He can let me know if it was directed at me. … If it turns out it was at me, we’ll talk about it.”
From a service time vantage point, there’s little implication for Giles’ long-term future. He entered the season with three years, 113 days of service time and has already been in the Majors long enough to have surpassed the four-year mark. As such, he’ll still be eligible for arbitration twice more before qualifying as a free agent following the 2020 season, regardless of how long he spends in Triple-A.
Free Clay Zavada
How the mighty have fallen.
I think the ‘Stros would look to his FIP and keep him up if it wasn’t for the disastrous postseason run last year.
acarneglia
Well ain’t that a punch in the face
flabber23
I see what you did there! ;-P
acarneglia
Thank you, I’ll be here all week
thesheriffisnear
He’s gonna kick his own ass so bad for this
acarneglia
He’s already taken some anger out on himself this season
SpongeIord
W
Michael Chaney
I won’t see a better comment all day
Alex Graboyes
Gonna be traded. Great player but with a drawback his attitude
ScottD
Great player?
deweybelongsinthehall
Only for another disappointment arb eligible.
ThePriceWasRight
not necessarily. If the Padres sat they are willing to deal hand for Giles straight up, the stros have to consider that. they have a window to compete now and Giles is a wildcard. for the pads however, a guy who is arb eligible and young is worth taking a risk on when you don’t anticipate competing for 2-3 more years
juicemane
The Padres would not deal Hand for Giles straight up
I give no fox
The padres can get far better for hand than just Giles. If that were offered the Astros would accept before Preller could take his next breath. Even tho Giles has been inconsistent, he has the glory stats to set him up nicely in arbitration. In the long run Hand may cost less than Giles by the time both are eligible for FA in ‘21. Considering Giles is already making roughly $4.5 mil, he won’t offer much cost savings over hand
bleacherbum
Why in the world would the Padres ever trade Brad Hand for Ken Giles straight up? Pass whatever it is that you are smoking.
Kwflanne
Hand for Giles straight up? One of the premier relievers in the league for a guy who was just demoted with a near 5 era? …. I honestly can’t tell if you were joking or not… I hope so
Kwflanne
The Padres would also be interested in Spangenberg for Altuve…. straight up
deweybelongsinthehall
arb eligible when relievers are starting to get paid. Still see only one disappointment for another or to a team with no better in house option for little in return. If hd resurrects himself can also see a kiss and make up session with the Stros.
juicemane
lol….unfortunately, I can only upvote this once
Cam
I don’t normally bite on ridiculous trade proposals here, but even the suggestion of Hand-for-Giles straight up is flat out idiotic.
Why on earth would the Padres consider that?
danlcat
ZERO WAY SD GIVES HAAND FOR NUTBAG! THEY MAY NOT GET A MIDDLING AA PROSPECT HIM. HES NUTS. WE SAW HIS ANTICS IN PHILLY. HES JUST NOT RIGHT.
countregular 2
They would NEVER TAKE THAT DEAL!!!
…unless they threw in Bregman.
FordamFlash
Shane Greene would be the pitcher that every team looking for set-up or closer help to put them into the post season. If a team had some salary to give then the trade should go using second tier prospect (s) and taking Mr Martenez and some and all of his contract , depending on which and how many prospects the other team gives up. Maybe if the Astor’s are not willing to part with anyone, maybe they can get the Mets closer and David Wright’s contract. Hey he could be the DH next year?
Begamin
not sure it will fix his attitude problem but i guess its better than nothing.
hoping that gary sanchez can booty blast another HR so we can see the diva punch himself again
ray_derek
Is Sanchez going to play again this year at some point? Maybe he’ll improve on his .190 average?
morgannyy 2
Hurt butt….
Begamin
hes rumored to be ready to go before the break, theyll probably play it safe and bring him in after the break. you’ll see the hits rack up. i can see his AVG ending around .240-.250 by seasons end if healthy. pair that with his walk % and ISO numbers and thats a good season
Kennon Riley
Is Sanchez going to catch a throw from the OF again at some point? Or will he just drop the ball?
redsfan48
Giles has a 2.25 FIP. I can’t believe these pitchers (Jon Gray and his 3.11 FIP as well) are being optioned. They haven’t pitched poorly, just have mostly been unlucky
mmarinersfan
His attitude is terrible. What do you expect to happen when you tell your manager “f*** you man.” I know, situation, blah blah, whatever. But his attitude is terrible
redsfan48
I hadn’t heard about his off field issues. Makes a bit more sense now.
juicemane
Yea he should of reminded Hinch who makes more money
AidanVega123
Well it didn’t help that Giles said “F**k you, man!” to AJ Hinch
hiflew
It’s because managers play real baseball not fantasy baseball. It’s doesn’t matter what SHOULD have happened, it only matters what did happen. Find any job in America where you can get your boss(es) to accept, “Well I should have produced better results, but I just had bad luck,” as a viable excuse.
flabber23
Wooooah. Guess you shouldn’t curse at your coach AND give up 3 hits in the 9th. Or just the first thing.
AstrosWS20
Wow! Well, I’m glad that’s over with. Last night was a disaster and if he actually said “F- you man” to Hinch as it looks like when he was yanked from the game then that doesn’t help him. Now let’s go get a legit closer.
Friarfaithful117
So looking to add Brad Hand to that bullpen mix?
charlie 6
It seems hard to believe a guy with a 2.25 FIP is heading to the minors. Anyone know why he is underperforming his peripherals so badly?
iangroc
He has always been a guy who looks better on a statsheet than on the mound. He cussed out Hinch last night. My guess is that is more to do with it.
newtzb0ss
Watch Cionel Perez dominate and keep his place
nstale
I hope so. I’ve watched Perez dominate here in Corpus Christi for the last year and a half, kid has legit stuff.
edawg1512
Excuse me?
rerogers
Good. all the stat heads that haven’t actually watched him pitch can’t see why this is good.
chri
This trade, drafting Appel and releasing J.D. Martinez were three huge f*ckups in the last five years for the Astros and they still won a championship and have the 2nd best record this year. They basically hit the jackpot on everything else lol.
Kennon Riley
They will finish with the best record
Tom E. Snyder
Boston currently has the best record.
Phillies2017
It’s not too much better for us yet either (Fingers crossed for Eshlemen), but The Phillies are wasting Vinny in the rotation when he should be in the bullpen.
stubby66
So is this guy worse then John Rocker with his attitude or more of a John Pappelbon? Just curious or am I reading him wrong?
Michael Chaney
More of a Papelbon, to me…John Rocker is in his own category
Ruben_Tomorrow 2
But trading Appel for him is sort of a wash. It’s garbage in, garbage out.
GarryHarris
Other teams have done worse.
charlie 6
If it’s because of his attitude, is a team permitted to option a guy for non-performance reasons (granted that they could argue performance reasons for Giles)?
snotrocket
A team can option anyone they want who has options, performance related or otherwise.
stubby66
I do know that the Marlins demoted Logan Morrison for attitude one time and they were able to be rewarded with one more year of control because of the time spent in the minors. I believe he had a grievance against them for it but not sure what happened.
driftcat28 2
Wow didn’t see that coming. Wonder if they look to trade him
Polish Hammer
Cleveland is in dire need of a late inning reliever.
stubby66
Hey isn’t Zagurski available to trade for? Just trying to help
jb19
After last night, I’m glad Giles was optioned. I am ok with just releasing him or trading him for anything. He’s got a terrible attitude and both sides need a fresh start… what he said last night, or what we all assumed he said last night, was unacceptable.
snotrocket
Wonder if he threw a temper tantrum?
redsoxfan2
Now will have to earn a spot back
davengmusic
Giles being sent out, I get. Almost never has a clean inning, played with fire too many times. But calling up Perez from AA? There’s at least 3 pitchers in Fresno that could come up and contribute immediately. Maybe they’re showcasing Perez for a trade is all I can think of.
jb19
I think that is the case.
bortaz
They’ve already used an option on Perez. Now it doesn’t cost anything to send him up and down.
hiflew
If they are showcasing him for a trade, wouldn’t it be smarter to leave him in AA where he was dominating? If you bring him up to the majors and he flops, how does that help showcase him? All that will do is lower his stock. If you bring him up to the majors and he does succeed, why would you want to trade him at all?
petrklima85
Look, I think Giles should have been more professional, but Hinch blundered his way through this entire situation.
Hinch clearly lost confidence in Giles last October, and rightfully so, yet he still came into the year as the team’s closer. Despite not blowing a save, and being completely unblemished in save situations, Hinch used his performances in non-save situations as a pretext for removal from the closers role. If Hinch had treated me that way, I’d be pretty pissed off too.
If you don’t have confidence in the guy, don’t put him back in the closer’s role in the first place.
rerogers
What? Considering the innings our starters have put in, the bullpen wasn’t getting the consistent work they needed. We’ve had several stretches without many saves opportunities. So Giles needed work and was bad at it. And while he hasn’t blown a game, he hasn’t always been very good either when saving. Add bad attitude and you’re one of his few fans, maybe.
Begamin
Giles hasnt blown a game?
What?
BBB
He has a 0.00 ERA in save situations, 8.20 in non-save situations.
deweybelongsinthehall
Likely released in lieu of arb numbers should a contract not be negotiated.
RBI
Looks like he needs a change of scenery —- trade him. Lots of teams are looking for bullpen help now.
Polish Hammer
Cleveland on line 1…
Solaris601
Especially if HOU is willing to sell low. Not expecting them to give Giles away, but Astros probably wouldn’t expect blue chippers in return. Add in Marisnick and CLE would make a strong offer.
hiflew
I doubt any team looking for a playoff push is dealing for him. More likely, a team like the Reds or the Pirates or the Marlins make a change of scenery swap for him this off season.
AUTiger7222
Braves should be all over this. I realize Giles has had is issues at times but as fickle as relievers can be year to year/month to month, he’s a guy I’d definitely take a chance on as a buy low option.
madmanTX
Oops. Astros tearing themselves down from within.
astros_should_be_fortyfives
Should have never traded for him in the first place! 12 mil. A year for him and we traded 2 majors ready players and 2 prospects ( We dodged a bullet w/ Appel). So many other closer options the last 2 years. Now we pay him to stink up AAA? Just trade him for left handed pitching prospects.
Modified_6
12 mil a year??
Doesn’t he make like 4.5 mil?
jbaseball24
Giles and a prospect for Kyle Barraclough from the marlins
AUTiger7222
That prospect better be a top 10 prospect if you hope to land Barraclough. Barraclough isn’t a FA until after 2022 and not arb eligible until next year.
neurogame
I didn’t realize he was a 5 for 1 trade from the Phillies.
Solaris601
Eh, that trade was arguably a wash.
OnlyRaysFan
It was a 5 for 2 trade
lowtalker1
I think they need a hand
Philliesfan4life
My fear on brad hand is how good is he under high pressure situations
Philliesfan4life
After last night, the astros need to make a move for hand or britton
Solaris601
Fernando Rodney isn’t best available, but he’d be affordable
selw0nk 2
The A’s pressured him so much last night they sent him of to Triple-A.
pjmcnu
With all the talk of Houston being a metrics team, how did they fail to notice he’s been (mostly) locked down in save situations (no blown saves) & garbage in non-save situations. This is not unusual among closers. Doesn’t that counsel an obvious mode of action? Instead, it seems they put more stock in the non-save disasters than the save successes. I understand not wanting to give save opportunities to a new or young pitcher who is botching the 7th inning when protecting a 5 run lead. But Giles has a track record – including this year – of save situation success! So why treat him like that? Why look at blowing a 5 run lead as meaning he can’t handle saves anymore, when his 3 prior appearances were locking down saves? It seems to defy both the numbers & common sense. All of that being said, if he cursed at the manager on the field, demote him.
GarryHarris
With the RP market as strong as it is now, the ‘stros will get something useful in return. His SO:BB ratio is outstanding.
holecamels35
But I didn’t think hits and ERA mattered? What a dumb team. Stop living in the stone age, strikeouts and walks are all that matter.
Solaris601
Giles’ numbers are solid – can’t deny that. But the front office has obviously found him guilty of contempt of skipper and sentenced him to AAA until his attitude is adjusted or is traded – whichever comes first.
bradthebluefish
Poor job by the Astros. Now they look desperate for a closer, lowered Giles trade value, and likely angered Giles some more.
All because Giles swore at the manager? Whatever. Heat of the moment. Giles is competitor. Either take it or leave it.
houston turmoiler
Rondon has already been the closer for a month. He’s throwing well and may have lessened the urgency to add a closer. They might not think it’s absolutely imperative to add a bullpen piece with the way Rondon and McHugh are throwing the ball. The Astros have been patient with Giles and tried to let him work through his struggles. Somehow miraculously he has not blown a save, but he’s blown tie games and leads larger than 3 runs in dramatic meltdown fashion. The guy is a headcase with a live arm, only reason he’s lasted this long. I can assure you Astros fans would be willing to leave it. Sure wouldn’t call them desperate. If anything they were pretty shrewd to pick up Rondon on the cheap and get him back into pretty good form in case Giles kept melting down.
thomasg2018
He is a mental midget.
thomasg2018
Giles is the mental midget.
himyojimbo
Seems like they left it.
sfg415sfc
This guy reminds me of Hunter Strickland. Punks. Neither can can their emotions in check. At least Strickland tried to punch Harpers face instead of his own.
thomasg2018
Adios “Flat Fastball” Giles
backseatgm
Giles & Strickland—-a good pair—-get them on the same team—-could Cubs Manager Joe M. turn them around?
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Who would the Cubs trade ? Justin Wilson and a minor league player to be named later. If that happened. Wilson will somehow be good.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
He was just about unhittable for philly. He has sucked for Houston. Good thing only Velasquez is the only one that was successful in that deal. Most or almost all of the players are out of baseball now.
GarryHarris
We should make a pool where CL Ken Giles gets traded to.
I think he’s traded to PIT for some combination including C Francisco Cervelli