A few days back, T.J. Zuppe of The Athletic sat down with former ALCS MVP and current MLBPA player rep Andrew Miller for a chat about what he describes as the “science” aspect in the game of baseball across the past couple of years. Specifically, the two talked about the way pitcher usage is slowly morphing towards a landscape in which each individual matchup, and the leverage situation in each of them, has a much greater impact on when and how pitchers are used.
Perhaps the most notable aspect of their conversation is the subject of the arbitration process as it relates to relief pitchers. Miller describes the arbitration process as “a little bit behind”, which makes a lot of sense considering the fact that reliever raises take the saves stat into significant consideration. With reliever usage shifting the way it has been (the usage of Miller, Josh Hader and Sergio Romo are all good examples), the correlation between the best relievers and the relievers earning the most saves will continue to decrease.
One other item that Miller brought up is that perhaps stats like WPA will end up coming more into play as the arbitration process adapts (painfully slowly) to the way players are valued in free agency. Even that, however, could be problematic considering that Tampa Bay’s “openers” won’t work in particularly high leverage situations to begin the game (as Miller himself notes).
If the way relievers are rewarded during arbitration doesn’t already seem silly to you, consider the fact that, if both entered arbitration today, Arodys Vizcaino would be likely to earn a far larger raise than Josh Hader due to his accumulation of saves, or in essence, the fact that he’s been used in the ninth inning more frequently during his career. Hader, of course, is considered to be a far better relief pitcher based on nearly every statistical category typically used to evaluate reliever value.
One of the issues this creates, says Miller, is an incentive for pre-arb or arb-eligible players (and their agents) to push for use in certain innings, rather than accept the assignments they’re given during the game. Speaking from a hypothetical player’s point of view, Miller says, “If the only difference is the situation I’m pitching in, that’s worth $4 million, I want that $4 million. I’m going to go in there (and demand it).”
He’s right, and the fact that the arbitration system incentivizes a structure that runs somewhat contrary to the most efficient use of a bullpen seems problematic. So we want to hear your thoughts. What would you like to see happen to the arbitration process as it relates to relievers? (Poll link for app users)
Caseys.Partner
Four million dollar minimum salary.
This gives a baseline payroll of $25 million per team and eliminates all incentive to tank for draft picks.
Service time is reduced from an effective seven years to three years.
Arbitration simply disappears.
Within two years everyone will wonder why it wasn’t always this way.
joshua.barron1
How is the baseline payroll 25 million if minimum is 4 million? Players would LOVE this but no way in a million years would owners sign off. Gotta keep profits sky high!!
mackows2
huh??
Phillies2017
**$100,000,000 for the team
4 x 25 = 100
chesteraarthur
Why would the owners ever agree to that?
Kayrall
LOL!
xabial
Love that Andrew Miller is a MLBPA player rep. Seems fitting since all RP have him to thank for inflating Reliever market, with his then record contract for non-closer with NY that turned out to be one of the best bargains in the game.
xabial
Miller is the epitome of a professional. Miss him in NYY.
deweybelongsinthehall
Demand it? Would suspend a player being so selfish. Monopoly type money at stake. I understand it but even in the strongest union, there are limits. Such should be negotiated and in good faith, the owners should listen. The players though have to realize, rewarding under a new system will be at the expense of someone else who will then be somewhat devalued. I realize the players’ intent will be to increase everyone’s salary but the reality is even the arbitrators should then understand contract decisions under an “old system” are no longer fair comparisons. We may see this if baseball continues to rely on homeruns. Can see a .300 on base guy start to suffer at hearings. Too bad because to me it’s loaded baseballs and bats and the game is not nearly as good.
Phillies2017
As I said yesterday in my comment regarding the Rockies,
While there are some exceptions (Wade Davis, Aroldis Chapman, Kenley Jansen, Rasiel Iglesias), most relievers are just pitchers who weren’t good enough to stick as starters (thus the volatility).
I wouldn’t feel comfortable paying a middle reliever what the market calls for them to make when you can get some very solid guys on the cheap every offseason.
So many of the best relievers in the game were signed as minor league free agents or claimed off of waivers: (Blake Parker, Brad Hand, Kirby Yates, Brad Brach (DFA Trade). Will Harris, Rich Bleier etc.)’
Also, I don’t understand why teams in need of bullpen help don’t just go for vets killing it in Triple-A. How do guys like Xavier Cedeno, Kevin Siegrist, Al Albuquerque etc. not get chances when guys like Shaw get $27 million?
hiflew
Wade Davis and Rasiel Iglesias were both relatively mediocre starters before moving to the bullpen, especially Davis. Don’t forget that he was a throw in in the James Shields/Wil Myers deal that people were hoping he might make it as a #5 starter until someone better came along.
davidcoonce74
All relievers are pitchers who couldn’t stick as starters. That’s why they are in the bullpen. It’ either a lack of stamina or, usually, the lack of a third pitch.
anoff
I think the rosters should be expanded, and the minimum salary bumped to $1m. This should make team controlled players more expensive, while the expanded player pool should drive down FA prices for all but the truly great – and I think a smaller delta between the price of team controlled players and FA will help the sport a lot. Teams will be less inclined to tank, since the roster will still cost a decent amount, while good-not-great players will find it more economically neutral to re-sign with their current clubs – a boon for fan bases, particularly in smaller markets. This will also cut down on service time manipulations a bit, because super 2 status will be a minimal financial consideration. If arb and FA prices are closer together, an extra year of service time is less important because there’s a much higher chance of a player re-signing where he is – superstars will still get screwed, but the rules should benefit the most people they can, not just the 20 or so superstars in the league.
hiflew
All that will do is make the game increasingly more specialized and make the 6th and 7th innings last forever while managers change pitchers every single at bat.
brewpackbuckbadg
Arodys Vizcaino has more service time than Hader that would affect his arbitration salary. You should include that in your article. Almost fake news if you don’t!
GareBear
I thought it was a bit of an odd comparison as well but he gets the idea across
bravesfan88
Anytime you completely change any process like this, it just brings up new, different issues..
The best and most efficient way to fix this process is by going ahead and just making a few changes to the current policy..
With that being said, I would take which inning a reliever pitches in out of the equation entirely..In response, a person might say, well what if a guy is pitching during blowouts, in low leverage situations, etc..Should that factor in as heavily as a guy pitching with the game on the line?? Well, no, but if said reliever is pitching effectively enough, he won’t be pitching in low leverage situations very often, which will even itself out in the end..It is the same as a “closer” coming in the 9th, during an 8-2 ballgame, solely just to get in some extra work..
In my opinion, the arbitrators should reward saves, and especially holds, but they shouldn’t punish a guy just because he pitches primarily in the 7th inning rather than the 9th…
The arbitrators should factor in each pitchers counting stats like GP, IP, WHIP, XFIP, FIP, K, BB, BAA, Inherited runners stranded and scored rates, etc..Then, cap that number off with the best and most efficient relievers making the most.
After that, the last step should be to pay a little more for guys who are primarily closers, but only add another 150K-1mil, depending on saves and save percentages..I mean, there are only 30 some odd “closers,” so, it only makes sense that they should be paid a little more..
Regardless, everyone knows the last 3 outs in a game are the hardest to get..There isn’t any more time to make up for mistakes, that inning wins or loses the game..It takes a special mindset, mentality, and a high level of self-confidence to be a closer, that’s why not all dominant relievers work out as dominant closers..
justin-turner overdrive
Stop using arbitrary counting stats, especially saves, to decide. We have so many other kinds of ways to statistically base this from, why keep using the very very basics that don’t even really show how good a player is (like RBI).
CubsFanForLife
This feels like the obvious choice from the player’s perspective, but what stats would you use for relievers? WPA?
justin-turner overdrive
Its a tough call, personally I’d ask the question “What is the point of a reliever? What is his job?” The answer is “Do not let runs score” so I think we should just judge reliever performance by how many clean outings they have, shown as a %. This isn’t the best way to show just how good a RP is, but in arbitration it should work ok. In practice, Last season Kimbrel had 58 clean outings in 67 games, so his % was 87%, which is extremely good. Brandon Maurer had 47 in 68 games, so his was 69%, which is, “nice”, but also not very good. I’d make the arby cutoffs for RP based on that, 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, 90% etc. It’s actually a really basic way to do it, but I’m a fan of “keep it simple, stupid”.
The idea that the 9th inning is more important than the 7th makes no sense, runs can be scored in both, all 9 innings are important. RP’s need a fairer way to figure this out in the arby process for sure.
deweybelongsinthehall
Why devalue saves? i hate to say this but change how a save is earned since the game has changed so much. That said, a closer is still the most important reliever to most playoff teams. How many Andrew Millers are there? In the AL, Boston has Kimbral, the Yankees have Chapman and the Astros got Giles to close.
matthew102402
Do the Astros really have Giles to close though?
deweybelongsinthehall
I said they GOT Giles to close.
davidcoonce74
Brad Hand came into the 9th inning on Thursday. Two outs, five-run lead. Got one out, got the save. Saves are meaningless.
reflect
ERA * total batters faced * some random multiplier = your salary.
ERA is of course flawed but it’s dumb enough that they will actually use it, but fair enough that good relievers won’t consistently get screwed over.
redsfan48
For this to work, you’d need to use ERA+ or something, because simply using ERA as-is the way you suggested would lead to higher salary for a pitcher with a higher ERA
reflect
Oh yeah damn, I meant 1 – the ERA. Though ERA+ would work too.
redsfan48
Poll and baseball reference links haven’t been working in the app this week for me
MNev
I’d also like them to add “Gamecast” or something to that effect calling balls and strikes. Pitchers and hitters are getting screwed when they don’t know what an umpire will call a ball or a strike.
jd396
Get rid of arbitration
Round up service time in some situations to avoid the Kris Bryant-esque suppression of service time.
Restricted FA after 4 years
7th year option for teams at an elite-level price (again avoiding Bryanting)
Active rosters expand to 28-29, but limit the roster of available players on a given day to something like 21-22 to preserve the usual ratio of *available* pitchers. After the 10th inning each team can use one more pitcher and one more position player.