The Nationals have officially struck a deal to acquire reliever Kelvin Herrera from the Royals, making for a fascinating early swap. Outfielder Blake Perkins, third baseman Kelvin Gutierrez, and righty Yohanse Morel will head to Kansas City in return.
This agreement represents a rare, mid-June strike of real consequence. We’ve already seen a few other notable trades this year, so it could be that the market as a whole will move quicker than usual — and much more rapidly than it did last year.
Herrera checked in at the #2 spot on MLBTR’s initial list of the top fifty trade deadline candidates. Beyond his excellence on the mound, Herrera’s pending free-agent status for the cellar-dwelling Royals made a trade all but inevitable. He’s arguably the most significant player to have been dealt in the month of June in recent memory — a topic we examined just last week.
The Nats will take over the $7,937,500 salary that Herrera is earning in his final season of arbitration eligibility. With 82 of the 186 service days on the MLB calendar already in the books, the Washington organization will be on the hook for something like $4.44MM.
Certainly, the high-octane Herrera looks to be a key new piece for the Nats’ pen. This deal is the latest summer bullpen swap for the organization. Last year, the Nationals added Sean Doolittle, Ryan Madson, and Brandon Kintzler, the same three hurlers that make up the preferred late-inning unit on the current ballclub. In prior years, the team added Mark Melancon and Jonathan Papelbon. (The latter trade was the most regrettable of president of baseball operations Mike Rizzo’s tenure. Not only was Papelbon a disaster in the second season of his deal, but the team handed quality young righty Nick Pivetta to a division rival.)
The 28-year-old Herrera will likely function in a set-up role in front of Doolittle, but skipper Dave Martinez will also have the choice to switch things up as match-ups dictate. Herrera has spent plenty of time as the K.C. closer and has loads of high-leverage postseason experience, so he ought to be able to function in any role that his new team prefers.
Herrera still works at about 97 mph with his fastball, though he once averaged over 99. Notably, he’s also generating swinging strikes at a quality 14.4% rate, marking a return to form after a downturn last year. Unsurprisingly, then, the results have been excellent thus far in 2018. Herrera has allowed just three earned runs in 25 2/3 innings, racking up a stellar 22:2 K/BB ratio along the way. He’s not generating quite as many grounders as he has in years past, but has tamped down on the long ball somewhat and has obviously been exceptionally stingy with free passes.
On the other side of this arrangement, the package features three interesting players that most prospect rankings did not grade among the very best in the Nats’ system. Clearly, though, the Royals felt the package was strong enough to warrant an early move. For the Nationals, shipping out that trio still leaves the club with the bulk of its highest-ranked prospects still available for the future — or, perhaps, for further deals this summer.
Depending upon who you ask, Gutierrez and Perkins each rated just outside of or just within the ten best prospects on the Nationals farm. The former is a 23-year-old third baseman who has scuffled a bit in his first attempt at Double-A this year, but is regarded as a talented corner defender who possesses a quality hit tool and some power potential. Perkins, 21, has run into some troubles at the High-A level but has an interesting blend of speed, power, and plate discipline along with up-the-middle defensive ability in the outfield. As for Morel, a reputedly live-armed 17-year-old, he’ll represent a long-term wild card in this swap.
Jon Heyman of Fan Rag first reported the deal (Twitter links), with Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports tweeting it was in place. Jon Morosi of MLB.com first reported the return (via Twitter).
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
HOT STOOOVE
Well finally some action
It truly makes no sense to wait until the deadline. If you need a closer in June, it is best to get one as soon as possible. Waiting another month until a roster deadline makes no sense.
Whoa
Watching Nats-Yanks rn. Let’s see them try and break the news lol
They just acknowledged it. That was fast.
Just acknowledged it. That was fast!
They acknowledged it. That was fast…
The speed in which they acknowledged it was rather fast.
How fast was it
Please believe me. It was fast. Way fast.
So fast, you’d freak!
I bet they did not break it as fast as the backlash Moore is going to get from Royals’ fans for this highway robbery by Rizzo..
Rizzo strikes again!! Faster than a Chuck Norris roundhouse to the nutlets…
As fast as Peter O’Brian’s bat speed
But not as fast as he rated for his defense…
They’re announcing speed is getting rave reviews
*their
Well the Rockies could use Zach Britton after the meltdown of Wade Davis
The COL organization has to be beside itself after spending all that money on the bullpen last winter and seeing the results which aren’t pretty.
Puzzling choice back then, now it just looks downright crazy. Colorado really mismanaged their window and it’s shutting pretty quickly
It how the relief pitchers are used by manager! Really bad so what do you expect.
Colorado may be in soft-sell mode after the all-star break if they continue their downward trajectory.
This guy’s a beast: 2BB, 22K, 0.82 WHIP, 1.05 ERA, 25.2IP
He even passes the age test. Herrera’s 28, and turns 29 in Dec. My one issue is he’s a FA, after this year.
Michael Kay just reported it on YES lol (crediting Jon Heyman)
I only have a couple of issues with Herrera
#1. He’s only logged 4 innings versus sure-fire playoff teams. Indians, Red Sox, and Yankees.
#2. He has not pitched multiple innings this season.
#3. He’s only come in with runners on TWICE this season.
#4. He’s faced A LOT OF subpar line-ups this season, which MAY possibly inflate his stats. Not saying it does, but it is a concern..He has primarily only faced the White Sox, Tigers, Reds, Rays, Athletics, Twins, and to a lesser extent the Blue Jays, Cardinals, and two-thirds of an inning versus the Angels..I mean the Royals can only play the schedule they are given, but I wonder if they’ve held Herrera out at times, or pitched him in games to inflate his stats…Kind of crazy to suggest but I’ve heard crazier..lol
Like I said, he’s only pitched 4 innings versus solid playoff teams..Those were against the Yankees (1IP), Red Sox (1 IP), and the Indians (2IP)..
Although, to his credit, he only surrendered 1 run in those innings pitched..Along with 3 hits and 3 K’s..
Although, even with those concerns, and the fact he is only signed through this season, he was still acquired without giving up a premiere prospect!! For Washington and Rizzo, you couldn’t ask for a better deal than that!!
The facts are Herrera is a solid, power pitcher out of the pen. He won’t pitch multiple innings, but he will get a K when he needs one, and he does have post season experience..Which the latter is a HUGE DEAL for the Nationals!! They need a proven back end man, that hasn’t been a part of their post season collapses…
This is great news for the Nationals and their fans, not so much for the Braves and their fans..
Although, for whatever reason, it doesn’t matter who it is, the Braves have been able to muster up some clutch runs off of some of their opponets best relievers this year…
As a Braves fan, hopefully, Herrera is no exception!! lol
He barely pitches against top tier team’s because KC isn’t leading come the ninth. You make it sound like he is an iffy pitcher and they have to pick n choose when to use him to pad his stats.
You touch on his postseason career so you know he has one…. but then go on and on about his low level of competition. Hmm
Wow Braves fans, trying to downplay his dominance takes it to another level. Excited to see the nats win the division by 10 games.
Looks like he’ll be getting less points on my fantasy team now…
He barely even pitches for KC though because they usually don’t have the lead in the 9th. He should be pitching more often for the Nats so it might even out
He’s appeared in 27 games this year. That’s roughly the same as Brandon Morrow and Sean Doolittle, and only 4 and 5 less than Aroldis Chapman and Craig Kimbrel, Closers for (potential) playoff teams.
oh, cool.
theyre gonna be unstoppable
Until they hit the playoffs where they can’t win.
Harper needs to get himself on track. He was blazing in April, but since then he’s been in a flat spin.
he always blazes that division. cools down once he plays not the nl East every year
Please halt
Carter Kieboom?
That’d be my guess as the centerpiece.
I’ll probably be proven wrong once the names get reported, but I could see him and/or Fedde in a deal
Fedde is pitching today for the Nationals.
That means nothing
How does that mean nothing? He would have been scratched from the start. It’s not like this trade came together 20 min ago
My thought as well.
Or maybe Yasel Antuna
Wow, what a disappointment. Did the royals even test the market??? Gutierrez and Perkins seem ok and might work out as every day players, but there is a strong market for closers and sure seems like they could have gotten more.
Herrera is elite, but he’s a rental, so KC knew they wouldn’t draw a lot of upper tier talent.
Chapman drew Torres and As a rental. I would bet they could have gotten more for Herrera. My guess is KC opted for quantity over quality. Worked when they netted Cain, Odorizzi and Escobar for Greinke.
Cubs got more quantity (4) in that trade than the Royals did (3) in this trade. So really the Royals got neither quality nor quantity.
You’re the guy that was throwing a fit over the weekend about how teams won’t be trading their valuable assets for meager returns anymore. This is the way it is so brace yourself for what the Padres get back for Hand, and have someone hide all the sharp objects from you. The Yankees on the line with their offer of Billy McKinney,Drury and Chance Adams for Hand and Ross…Done Deal!
Chapman is the rare lefty that throws 100 mph. Very rare. A right handed reliever whos throws 95 and is a rental. Dime a dozen. What do you feel Shawn Green is worth? Throws just as hard. Has put up better numbers in 17-18, and has another year on his contract. I think Herrera went for fair value.
Look doofus I was referring to CONTROLLABLE valuable assets. Herrera does not fall under that banner. He is a rental. The only leverage DM had with him was demand from other teams and the threat of keeping him and QOing him (which I don’t think is necessarily worse than what they got). No one with any club control (see: Brad Hand) is getting traded for a package this poor.
Oh and Preller slams the phone down in a heartbeat while laughing his ass off if the Yankees make that offer.
Shawn Green retired in 2007
Herrera is not even close to the same talent as Aroldis Chapman and Zack Greinke.
It’s incredibly silly to even compare them to Herrera.
Gonna Happen Richard…Bank It
I think he meant Shane Greene.
Exactly. Chapman was a Top 3 closer, arguably the best in the game, when he was traded.
The difference between this guy and Hand Steven is that Hand has had three straight amazing seasons and has that ever so important control that the Royals didn’t have on Herrera. This move has no impact whatsoever on the Padres and Hands trade value. If anything, the value might’ve went up since the Cubs, Red Sox, Astros, Yankees, Indians, etc have one less top reliever to trade for.
Complete different situation with Hand. Not a rental and half the price for this season. The other three year are well below what other top relievers have gotten. Oh and Brad has answered most of the questions with multiple years of success, pitching multiple innings, high leverage and is near the top of the NL in saves.
Bottom line if noone meets AJs asking price they keep him or move him in the offseason..
Chapman was also a top-3 closer with a domestic abuse cloud hanging over him which had resulted in a 30-game suspension by MLB. Not everybody in the Cubs organization was on board with the acquisition but they ultimately pulled the trigger on the deal anyway.
Not sure if Chapman fired those eight shots in his garage with his left or right hand but I’m guessing he might have used both when choking his girlfriend.
Wonder who is going to KC
I’m not a Nationals fan, but hats off to the Nationals for making a move. Justin Miller has been a solid setup man, now with Kelvin Hererra also there, Miller/Madson 7th Hererra 8th Doolittle 9th looks better than what they had in previous playoff runs.
Herrera will close
Doolittle has been one of the best relievers in baseball this year. It would be stupid to take him out of his current role. What this allows the Nats to do is play the 8th/9th innings based more on matchups
That’s exactly how they screwed up the Papelbon situation. No way they remove Doolittle unless he falters
No, it does not appear that way. (Washington GM) Mike Rizzo personally sought Doolittle out and informed him that this didn’t change anything as far as the 9th inning went. Sure, things can change – and Kelvin Herrera is plenty capable – but Doolittle has been one of the elite relievers in MLB.
Wow! Go get em nats, i wonder who they gave up.I wonder if this will set the table for Brad hand…
Even better who is next out of KC ?
Duffy, Moose, maybe Perez gonna be interesting
Salvy not going anywhere…Moose and Duffy probably will. They could have gotten more for Duffy in the offseason. Missed opportunity.
Whit
They should get what they can for him now.
We here in Milwaukee are clamoring for him.
I don’t think they’ll move Perez. A) they won’t get as much as people would think for him and B) he is in’s cheap long term contract
meh, not that great of a return imo.
pretty good for half a season of a closer
Half a year of Aroldis Chapman got the Yankees Gleyber Torres+3. Kelvin Herrera has a 1.05 ERA. This is a terrible return.
What was his era last year during a full season? Yeah that’s what I thought
well i still can’t wrap my head around that return. i don’t think that’s a reasonable expectation for a return
Might be the worse comment I’ve seen comparing half season of Herrera to a half season of Chapman. They aren’t even close in talent.
You’re right. Herrera is better.
Herrera is not a Lefty, and does not throw 100 mph. Not a good comparison. Try Soria going to Pitts for Jacoby Jones. A much better comparison.
Comparing Aroldis Chapman to Kelvin Herrera is silly.
Kelvin Herrera’s ERA was 4.25 last year with a 0.7 WAR.
He’s also not striking anyone out this year and isn’t getting ground balls.
He’s going to regress this year and the Royals know it.
Um – Herrera has a history of averaging one of the highest MPH fastballs in MLB. He’s thrown 100 mph many,many times.
If you think I’m comparing Herrera and Chapman you can’t read.
I’m saying if Chapman = Torres+++
Then Herrera = Kieboom++
This package was well under market and sticker value, Herrera is a beast currently and GMDM blew this deal, hard.
So this might sound a bit dismissive, but it’s meant to be a honest debate/discussion. How do we realistically derive market value or sticker price for rental RPs? Or RPs in general? With all due respect we continue to see, after the Chapman trade, the price for rentals dropping across the board while players with control are more valued. Maybe we just need to rethink how much RPs are actually worth if they are not a sure fire top 5 reliever. Such might be proven wrong at the deadline, but in the day of teams emphasizing skill sets and exploiting underutilized mixes and repurposing SP with electric stuff who can’t get through a lineup three times I think it’s important to ask that question. Are we overvaluing their actual worth in these packages, because if we continue to complain about the incoming packages time after time then maybe it’s more indicative of a shift in worth.
Except it is more than half a season. I would understand this return on July 31st. but not on June 18th. That is an extra six weeks of the season. The Royals got hosed here.
I would guess it is pitching heavy. At least 2 of 3
What a dumb, bad trade by KC and highway robbery by Washington, getting an elite arm for not much at all.
I’d say they did kinda get robbed if The Nats were only getting a guaranteed half year of Herrera.
None of those 3 prospects projects as an everyday player.
seriously there is no way to predict what Morel is going to become.
Nobody knows what they’re going to become. I’ve seen conflicting reports on all three of these guys. Some say the Royals got three every day guys. Some say they didn’t.
Nobody knows anything.
I remember when people said that about the Eaton trade, with the nats being the ones getting fleeced
I wasn’t one of them, I liked it from both sides. Eaton is a gamechanger, Chicago got pitching prospects, which are way more volatile but Lopez is sick and Giolito is still pretty raw and will probably come good in a year or two. I thought that was a pretty fair value trade. Can’t predict Eaton’s freak injuries.
I remember that, too. I, for one, thought that was a big win for both sides (the White Sox & the Nationals).
Sure, Eaton has had some poor injury luck but when the guy is healthy, he’s one of the leadoff or 2-hole hitters in the game. Add that to his stellar fielding (seriously, his 2016 season was amazing and so much fun to watch.).
And of course there is the Sox’s end of the trade, Lucas Giolito has been an absolute disaster but Reynaldo Lopez has continued to show solid stuff and should have a bright future as a high-end number-three starter. The piece that turned out to be most exciting, however, was the “third-best” prospect dealt in that trade, at the time, Dane Dunning; who has been nothing short of spectacular in his time in the minors.
Not a dumb trade. Actually a good trade because Herrera is a free agent next season.
So what if he’s a FA? They could have gotten more than this. Trade evaluators are already saying KC did not get one everyday player back in this. They needed Kieboom at minimum in the deal.
MLB Scouts also had Jesus Montero ahead of Manny Machado on the prospect lists back in 2011.
I’ve also seen Kieboom not even in the top 30 prospects in the Nats system on a few lists.
Nobody knows anything.
You haven’t seen Kieboom not even in the Nats top 30 on any reputable list. He might not be top 5, but there is no way he is not top 30.
So what if he’s an FA? It’s not like The Nats are getting 3 more seasons with Herrera. There’s a good possibility someone else picks up Herrera, and then The Nats would loose a top prospect for a guy that only was with them for a half of a season.
KC got FLEECED! Who is gonna close now in KC?
they dont need a closer, they’re bad
Bet they like their rings though
Hey, we had an amazing run with a team that provided awesome memories for a generation of fans that had not seen success from the team. To be fair, a rebuild that produced a WS and back to back pennants is more than most rebuilds can boast.
Does not matter who closes when you’re team is tanking.
Yes I get that…so does anyone actually know the answer?
McCarthy?
Fantasy players need to know!
They can have Greg Holland back…..please
As a Royals fan I love this trade. 2 solid position players, #10 and #11 in their system for half a season of Herrera. Also plugs the 3B hole in the farm system, and adds another outfielder to the mix of Matias/Lee/Gigliotti.
The market is good for closers right now and the Royals could have done better playing a few teams off each other. If they did that already and this is all they came up with, then the market for closers is apparently not that good.
It hasn’t been that good since 2016. Everyone learned their lesson from the horrendous Chapman and Andrew Miller deals.
Horrendous? Like “win-a-World-Series-bad”?
Great news for NYY and BOS. Keeps him from the Astros who have a monstrous rotation but weak pen. Nats will somehow lose in the playoffs like always.
Yup! as a Yankee fan I’m glad that’s one less guy Houston can get
How is the Astros pen weak? They’re 4th in ERA and 1st in FIP/xFIP.
I think it’s because they really struggled in the postseason last year and you can’t ever be too confident in Giles.
Nationals #7 and #9 prospects according to Fangraphs (#10 and #11 according to MLB.com) plus a 17-year-old lottery ticket J2 pitcher for a 3 month rental of a reliever. Wow!
“Nationals #7 and #9 prospects according to Fangraphs (#10 and #11 according to MLB.com) plus a lottery ticket J2 pitcher for a 3 month rental of a reliever. ”
This is really all that needs to be said and you would hope it would give some much needed perspective to the ‘Royals got fleeced’ crowd.
For all of those that are saying the Royals Got fleeced….You have no idea. The Royals are starving for young talent at all positions. I would say getting Two of Washington’s top 10ish prospects is pretty darn good. I’m glad to see Dayton got this 17-year-old Morel kid also. We know nothing about him but my guess is he has a pretty high ceiling. Good job Dayton. Don’t stop now
You could have gotten more back had you waited til the deadline. Herrera is worth way more than this return no matter how good you think that return is. GMDM blew it.
What did you expect to get out of a half season rental? Robles+Kieboom, or something like that?
No! But inferior rental relievers go for better returns than this pretty regularly. My only guess is that DM is higher than most on the guys he got.
Please give some examples of low experience, right handed closers who are rentals, going for more than this.
Never said right-handed or closer. Marc Rzepczynski was traded for Max Schrock two years ago. He was about as good at the time as Gutierrez is now. Aroldis Chapman isn’t much better than Herrera and he got Gleyber Torres and 3 other pieces who were just as good as anyone the Royals got here.
Aroldis was waaaaay better than Herrera. You’re drunk.
No way Soto or Robles, but THIS VERY SITE had a group of players they expected to go in the deal and none of them were in it. I totally expected Kieboom and a couple others.
Getting top 10 prospects is irrelevant. It’s all depends on the system. Someone’s 30th ranked prospect might be better than another teams 6th prospect. Everyone gets hung up on the numbers within someone’s system and it’s a waste of time.
All of the recent trades within the last year all have a common theme and it’s the prospects coming back are always less than expected. Everyone needs to adjust what their expectations are for established players and especially ones who are free agents to be. It’s not a particularly good time to be a seller right now in my opinion.
It’s exactly what Herrera’s worth. Plus, KC’s plan is now 4-5 years, not 2-3.
I’m upset cuz I wanted the Braves to get him, but objectively, good trade for the nats. Doesn’t give up much near term and they turned their bullpen into a strength. This and a backend starter could sadly push them definitively over Atlanta. Really like this move from their perspective, just not mine, lol.
why not wait a bit and see if there is a better deal
This
“why not wait a bit and see if there is a better deal”?
Because pitchers have been known to get injured, particularly around their throwing arms. Plus, if the Royals know the player won’t be able to help them win why pay the last $4.4M of his salary. It’s a calculated risk either way.
Because since he is a 2018 rental, his value only goes down as time passes.
No it doesn’t, at all. There are no bargains at the deadline, everyone is in on everyone. Watch ONE year of baseball and you will notice this.
I don’t think this deal is gonna work out for Washington. I think Herrera is gonna regress and be a borderline disaster.
I have no evidence to prove this, it’s just my opinion. I could be wrong.
A Kelvin traded for another Kelvin?
What’s the odds?
So far we’ve had 2 very good, non elite RP traded and the returns have been very meh. Doesn’t look like a lot of value is being placed on the RP trade market by contenders yet. I wonder if it will turn or if the market for non elite will continue to be middle of the road prospects. I don’t expect big returns for rentals and wonder who will command big name prospects as returns. If players such as Hand, Archer, Machado, DeGrom, etc. are moved are top prospects involved or are we finally seeing GMs place the high value on prospects that fans have been doing for years?
Herrera is absolutely elite, what are you talking about???
My point wasn’t the semantics of what constitutes elite. Personally, I view the Jansen, Chapman, Kimbrel, Miller types as elite, but if you want to include the Herrera and Colome types as elite that’s fine.
Either way, there have been 2 closers moved so far this year and both players went for packages that did not include any top prospects. The packages have been headlined by org #8-12 guys from average to poor systems. Many here thought there would be overall top 100-150 types headlining like we’ve seen in recent years. It’s early in the trade season, but so far it seems we’re seeing a carry over of the devaluation of established players from the most recent offseason. Just one year ago we saw a RP like Justin Wilson return 55 FV and MLB ready prospect Jeimer Candelario. The best prospect moved for Colome or Herrera was probably Andrew Moore and he is a FV 45, mabye FV 50 if someone looks past his MLB struggles last year and that is a significant change in values. I’m very curious to see how the rest of this year’s trade market plays out.
perhaps millers lack of success had something to do with that? Add Liriano to that group. Not every team got a huge boost in production from their rental relievers. Also teams may have been valuing these guys more so like Pat Neshek, Anthony swarzak or Addison Reed were last year. Neither of them returned huge prospects either though I can clearly hear the argument that Herrera is better. Colome I’m not so sure is better than the aforementioned players but he does come with controllability.
So what happened to the Kolton Wong plus another player for Herrera? Wasn’t counting on it but thought that trade had a chance. Wong hitting a buck eighty didn’t help the Cards any…….
Wong+ for Herrera is a way, way better return than this one.
LOL no it’s not why would the Royals want Wong….
Because he’s got a high ceiling with years of team control? Sorry you hate him because you hate the Cardinals.
Jesus Murphy. Kolten Wong has zero value on his current contract. Players with 5 years in the majors don’t really get talked about how high their ceilings are because that ceiling is irrelvalent now. Wong couldn’t be dumped for salary relief at this point. Cards would have to eat money to say goodbye.
Bob, with all due respect, that trade was never going to happen as far as the Royals are concerned. They’re not interested in over paid under performing veterans. They want young talent. The Royals have traded Jay and Herrera in the last few weeks, none of the players the Royals received are household names even for the most astute baseball fans. The Royals don’t want household names, they want 17, 18, 19, 20, 21-year-old players that hopefully will blossom into major leaguers.
Wow….royals wayyyyyy undersold…..terrible trade
good win now move for the Nats and a good move for the future for KC. Their window is closed for now, so no reason to hang onto players like Herrera
Bob, compared to the kind of players the Royals are after, Wong is a veteran and he is on a big contract. The Royals want very young players with high ceilings. Besides, the Royals already have a late 20s second baseman thats better than Wong and he’s probably going to get traded in the next few weeks
i think you may have replied to the wrong person?
Cubs fan but GREAT move by the Nats. Nice job!!!!
Yes indeed. Kelvin Herrera was a pen arm rumored to be on the Cubs radar this summer. They can now turn their attention to a better one with more team control who also fits their staff needs better…Padres southpaw closer Brad Hand.
Hand would cost the Cubs a small fortune in young MLB talent but will also assure them of something they didn’t receive when trading for their last two closers, Aroldis Chapman and Wade Davis: 3-1/2 years of contract control at below market dollars. They can then parlay some of those savings into the pursuit of an impacting FA like Manny Machado or Bryce Harper this offseason.
Having watched the Royals for many years I am amazed Kelvin H hasn’t had Tommy John yet…….kcbfan…..Wong isn’t a veteran he’s young and cost controlled……underperforming this year for sure. He hit .285 last year and is excellent glove. Salvy is the only hands off Royal left.
The Royals definitely sold high on Herrera. I don’t think they wanted to wait until he regresses and get even less for him. Also just watched Gutierrez last Sunday in Richmond and even though he played good, he would not supplant Rendon as the everyday third basemen in the future.
He’s a bench guy. He lacks the power necessary for a corner infield spot and has no plate discipline.
To all of those who know that “Dayton Moore got screwed!!” and “He could have gotten a much better return if he had waited!”–You don’t know that…You don’t know what the other offers on the table were…Herrera is a stud–He is having a terrific year and he will always hold a place in my heart for being part of a great couple of years, but he struggled last season and he’s not Chapman…
Time will tell if the haul is worth it–I for one think Dayton Moore still has some juice when it comes to scouting, I know his recent returns haven’t been stellar but he built a championship club after decades of garbage and I have faith that can do it again…But to sit there and act like he’s a clown who got robbed is pretty narrow-minded in my book…
Dayton Moore and Mike Rizzo are 2 of the top 5 GM’s in MLB. Rizzo works in one of the most affluent markets for an owner with deep pockets. Moore works in a small market for an owner that throws around nickles as if they were manhole covers.
They both did what was best for their teams.
P.S. When Moore was going to lose Zack Greinke to free agency, he traded him to the Brewers for 2 unheard of, unranked players in the low minors. He was ripped for being so dumb. Later, Lorenzo Cain and Alcides Escobar were major reasons the Royals went to consecutive WS’s, and won one.
From MLBTraderumors.com (December 19, 2010).
Escobar, who turned 24 earlier this week, was viewed by Baseball America as the Brewers’ top prospect heading into the 2010 season, his first full year in the bigs.
Cain, 24, was considered one of the Brewers’ top 10 prospects even before a hugely successful 2010 campaign. After hitting .317/.402/.432 across two minor league levels, Cain received his first shot at the bigs, and posted a .306/.348/.415 slash line in 148 plate appearances in Milwaukee.
The Brewers prospects weren’t unheard of, unranked, or in the low minors. Otherwise you are correct.
No, he is incorrect all round.
Cain and Escobar were big reasons they went to the ws. that’s really the only fact left
Seriously like this guy either has no memory whatsoever or he’s just making stuff up as he types.
3 of the 4 prospects they got for Grienke were top MLB prospects not just too Brewer prospects.
Escobar was a top 20 prospect.
Jeffress was a top 100 prospect
Odorizzi was a top 50 prospect
Cain was the only one who wasn’t a top 100 guy and he had basically just played himself into a starting role on a playoff contender with 6 years of service still available.
This early trade certainly indicates that the Nationals will be all-in for a World Series title in 2018, hardly surprising with Bryce Harper in his final year of team control before hitting free agency this offseason. You have to like their chances with a fortified bullpen and an excellent rotation headed up by Max Scherzer and Stephen Strasburg.
The Nationals lineup is equally daunting, especially with both Adam Eaton and Daniel Murphy returning from the disabled list. In addition, they still retain their most elite prospects and young players for an even bigger trade involving an upgrade at catcher (J.D. Realmuto, Wilson Ramos) or for one more solid arm in the rotation (Cole Hamels, J.A. Happ, or Chris Archer if healthy).
Idk if the Nats have the prospects to get Realmuto if they won’t move Robles. Marlins should trade him at the deadline because he doesn’t fit their window and you’d think the return would be the greatest now though. However, if Kieboom isn’t enough to headline, that’s all the Nats have.
Royals sold way low.
I like how everyone says the Royals could have gotten more. They obviously know the market better.
Without there being any kind of prominent prospect, why trade so early before the deadline when so many teams needed relief help? If there had been more of a headline minor leaguer in the deal it would be different. Time will tell, if no one gives up decent prospects before the deadline then the quantity of prospects the Royals got will end up looking good. First impression without knowing the future is that the Royals could have waited and gotten more.
Thats what was said in Detroit, when JDM was traded last year. In hindsight, JDM was the only OF traded for anything of value. Some rental OFs didnt even get moved due to poor demand. Simply trust that the GM who made the trade, knows more than us.
What have comparable rental relievers gone for in the past?
Exactly! Aroldis Chapman cost the Cubs an elite prospect in Gleyber Torres who already has the look of a perennial All-Star since making his MLB debut with the Yankees on April 22nd. Of course, the deal also helped the Cubs secure their first World Series title since 1908.
The Nationals are looking to do the same but have appeared to do so at a much lower cost in talent. Time will tell, in 4-1/2 months or less from the Washington perspective.
Herrera did a poor job of closing last year, and his track record cannot be seriously compared to Chapman. Hard throwing Lefties are much rarer than righties. Look at whaT Kintzler, Soria, Broxton, Benoit, Robertson etc brought back. Herrera’s return seems pretty solid in comparison.
Look at Herrera’s stats this year compared to those guys’ stats when they were traded. The return should be better for Herrera. And I’m not sure I believe that it was.
Nats could be tough to beat in the post season, good trade for them.
After watching them get handled by Toronto they are a big fish in a small pond. Nats need a lot more if they want to reach the NLCS.
If there was ever a team that I’d be worried about choking in the playoffs…it’s the Nats. They need as much help as they can get bc they haven’t been able to get over the hump to the Championship Series, let alone the World Series.
So the price of one of the better, and statistically supported, BP arms available was …very, very little?
I can’t imagine the market has just crashed so hard like that, so I can only really think, wtf was Moore thinking
The potential downside of waiting is that Herrera could have been injured over the next month dropping his value to zero, or he could go into an epic tailspin (see Wade Davis’ June numbers for an example) which would erode his value. Another factor could be that KC felt Herrera would have been likely to accept the QO next winter. All things considered the Royals played it safe and have 3 prospects to show for it. To have done otherwise would have been a gamble they couldn’t afford.
Angels asleep on Herrera, they need a solid closer.
What are they waiting for, My guess brad hand
Do the angels even have enough in the farm to dish out for hand? Hand will cost a lot imo
Yeah they do, a package of Jo Adell, Kevin Maitan, Jahmai Jones and Chris Rodriguez gets it done. But the Angels won’t want to part with all of that.
I don’t think LAA have the farm system to pry Hand away. Dude has 3.5yr left on a VERY team friendly deal. SD should ask for the moon for him. I think LAA goes with a second tier guy like Familia from the Mets. As a Mets fan we nit-pick every little thing, but comparing his numbers over the past few years against other closers….and he’s been pretty darn good.
Braves sitting around on this one…… just won’t cough up any money or take a chance.
Very puzzling. I get that he’s a rental but were the other contenders seriously not willing to give up more than this to lock down the back-end of their bullpen for the remainder of this season and potentially the postseason? Seems like every year inferior relievers get traded for more.
People said the Nats didn’t give up much for Madson and Doolittle last year. Now Luzardo is a top 50 prospect in all of baseball and the As #2 prospect after being a fringe top 10 guy for the Nats.
I’m not saying any of these guys have the upside of Luzardo but projecting prospects isn’t an exact science. Plus people are acting like Herrera is a top 5 closer or something. He’s not. He’s a nice bullpen piece but he isn’t otherworldly.
The return going to KC seems very underwhelming. I would have thought that there would have been serious competition for Herrera’s services that would have driven up the price tag.
In any event he is an extremely substantial pick up for the Nationals.
It would seem this is the direction teams are going in, look at the JD Martinez trade last summer, rentals just arent as highly valued anymore, sadly it seems this return will start becoming the normal…
This is and should have been a move the braves made. I’m sure salary played an issue, but it would have been well worth it this year with our bullpen swings. No doubt we had better prospects to offer.
I’m sure they could have gotten the Royals to pay some of the contract if necessary. Would have had to give up more in the way of prospects tho.
It’s would have been a great get for the Braves. But as good as Herrera is I am surprised that the Nats trade for him. After all the Nats bullpen is not their week spot. I think one could say that the Nats trade for Herrera to keep the Braves from getting him.
The Nats bullpen is awful outside of Doolittle.
They have a GM that won’t make a move for another 4 weeks, He’s waiting to see if Atlanta can hold the top spot. He doesn’t want to give up any young prospects. If Atlanta falters he can use that as an excuse to stand pat. That’s AA.
Dayton Moore sure knows how to trade rape the Royals….
Not a fan of it for the Royals. I see Perkins and Gutierrez as emergency call up bench guys. Perkins has a horrible hit tool and no power, and Gutierrez has a terrible approach at the plate which will affect his average at the major leagues, while not possessing the prototypical power for a corner infielder.
I understand that Herrera is a rental making $4.4m for the rest of the season, but I feel like he’s good enough to at least be under consideration for a QO (I’m not saying he should get one, but good enough to use it as leverage, and the Royals have almost nothing on the books for next year besides Gordon and Duffy).
The Nats system is very top heavy, and falls off quickly after the first five or so guys, but there are guys in the system who aren’t ranked highly with considerably higher upside such as Telemito Agustin or even Austin Voth (amazing peripherals as a starter in AAA this season.)
Good get for Washington though
Herrera won’t be eligible for the QO since WAS acquired him in season.
I meant prior to the trade.
Sorry, I was eating a Milky Way… what did I miss?
Maybe if GM Mike Rizzo could actually build up a bullpen then maybe the Nats could stop trading away their blue chips for bullpen arms.
Blue chips??!! Which one of the three are you calling that?
They only did that with Oakland, these scrubs aren’t even going sniff the bigs.
This is a move the angels or phillies needed to make and the nationals beat them to the punch
Was hoping the Cubs would have traded for him. Nats gave up nothing. The only issue is he’s a rental.
I predicted that this season will see the heaviest in-season trade traffic MLB has seen to date. Its an omen of MLB’s future.
I guessed Kelvin Herrera would be traded.to a different team, however. I thought the Nats would be after a Catcher.
They still need a C, and it’s clear MIA’s asking price for Realmuto is too high for just about anyone right now, so their most viable option is Francisco Cervelli. PIT will be motivated by the salary relief, it won’t require upper tier prospects, and Cervelli is a solid veteran presence who is having a career year.
Cervelli would be a great get for the Nats. I’d hate if PIT traded him to the Nats bc that is a clear upgrade.
I’m guessing that the catchers available are DET James McCann, KCR Salvador Perez, TBR Wilson Ramos, PIT Francisco Cervelli and MIA JT Realmuto. Any would be an upgrade.
KC won’t trade Perez unless someone wildly overpays. Ramos is having a solid year and, like with PIT, TB’s primary motivation will be salary relief. I don’t think McCann would be enough of an upgrade to be worthwhile for the Nats.
Realmuto isnt even that good. He’s maybe 10th among catchers in the NL 20th overall in the majors.
However because he’s on a horrible team that’s leverage for Jeter and company to demand more. The Marlins will never be good. They can get all the prospects in the world. Their forte is to always build it up and tear it down not long after.
Look at the Jose Reyes and mark buehrle trade. They got nothing for them. Buehrle was at the end of his career but Reyes was in the prime of his career.
Say what you will about the Marlins but they have only been in existence since 1993 and have twice as many World Series titles as our beloved Cubs in that time frame. That’s also two more championships than your pal Joe Maddon ever one on the other side of Florida. The Derek Jeter group is also new so why lump them in with past owners?
For any Nationals fans who would also like to dump on them, the Marlins have only made the postseason twice in their history, both as wild card teams and never as a division winner, yet still have those two championships to boast about. For all of the Nationals regular season success, they have yet to advance to an NLCS let alone the World Series.
They prolly need more like that cause I think everyone agrees they are in for a fight till October
FWIW…there is talk in KC that Morel was the prize for KC and there would not have been a deal without him. The story is KC really liked him and tried to sign him, The Nats won him instead and now the Royals get there guy.
Honestly, it’s a good trade for both teams. KC gets their prospects that are far enough out to help in their rebuild and Washington gets an absolute stud reliever to help that bullpen out.
Hey KC fans, what would it take for the Brewers to get Whit & Duffy?