After a long-pending investigation, Major League Baseball has announced a 75-game suspension of Blue Jays pitcher Roberto Osuna under the MLB-MLBPA Joint Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault and Child Abuse Policy. The ban is retroactive to May 8th and will end on August 4th of this year. Osuna will not appeal the decision, the league states.
Manfred’s statement does not specify the league’s findings beyond stating that he determined Osuna to have violated the domestic violence policy. In some of the prior announcements of suspensions under the policy, Manfred has offered factual assessments and some explanation of the basis for the punishment.
In another (perhaps related) distinction from some prior precedent, the criminal case against Osuna is still pending. The league has generally waited until criminal matters are fully litigated or otherwise resolved, at least in part to facilitate the acquisition of information.
In this case, according to Jon Heyman of Fan Rag, “it is believed MLB was able to interview the alleged victim” of the domestic assault. Osuna is said to be facing charges of assaulting his girlfriend. It seems, then, that commissioner Rob Manfred has been able to secure sufficient information to reach a determination.
There was surely greater pressure to reach a resolution given that the issue arose during the season. Osuna has been on administrative leave since his arrest, which explains the retroactive treatment. Heyman previously reported that the Toronto organization had unsuccessfully lobbied MLB for an expedited handling.
Under the policy, Manfred can issue suspensions or other punishments upon a finding that a player has committed a domestic assault or otherwise violated the terms of the policy, regardless of whether charges are brought or a conviction is secured. Punishment is subject to a “just cause” standard, though that will not be tested since Osuna has agreed to forego any appeal.
The 75-game duration of this suspension makes it the third-longest issued under the policy. Jose Torres (100 games) and Hector Olivera (82 games) hold the dubious distinction of having merited lengthier bans.
As the suspension is unpaid, Osuna will lose something on the order of $2.5MM of his $5.3MM salary for the season. It remains to be seen just how the remainder of his career will be impacted — it seems reasonable to expect broader ramifications, certainly — but at a minimum, his future potential arbitration earnings will be impacted substantially by the time he will have missed this season.
My bet is that Osuna never plays a game in a Blue Jays uni again. Rogers has a very conservative family image to protect.
There’s nothing conservative about Rogers.
Maybe in theory. in reality, he will play based on performance.
Jimmer I’d be shocked if Osuna plays another game. Jays organization has not had Osuna’s back since the very second this story broke. Tells me a lot about the incident and situation they face. Osuna’s a talent and could very well be wasted by stupidity.
The Jays have retained players who’ve been suspended for PEDs and other substances.
Yep
Every team has had and currently has players that have taken and / or have been caught taking PEDs. Pointing it out is beating a dead horse at this point. Do I wish it wasn’t part of the game? Absolutely. Is it even remotely comparable to domestic abuse? Absolutely not.
More like a conservative share holder image to protect.
Should set up a poll for the amount of games he gets
That’s not possible, since none of us know the details of the case.
Since when do people needs facts before they have a strong opinion? This is the Internet, young man.
Touche
Execute Order 66 Commisoner Manfred.
3 downvotes? What! How can they do this! This is outrageous, it’s unfair. How can you make a Star Wars prequel reference and get downvoted?
I didn’t down vote but the prequels suck
That’s why the references are funny
That’s my line
You are the senate after all
Does anybody know the extent of MLB’s investigations. Not just in this matter, but in general.
I can’t imagine them gaining access to police reports, medical records, really anything other than publicly available information. I thought one reason they waited until criminal proceedings was to hear that type of information.
I’ve wondered the same thing. And I don’t think players should be put on administrative leave until they’re found guilty or not, and then MLB can suspend accordingly. Sooner or later one of these guys is going to be innocent, and his team will have lost him during that time for nothing.
In most cases, administrative leave requires the player’s consent.
To elaborate, the process is essentially that the team confronts Osuna and he either agrees to accept admin leave or fights the charges and ends up eventually appealing them.
A team cannot just put a player on leave without consent or substantial evidence.
No it doesn’t. MLB can unilaterally place any player on leave, with or without consent.
This is how I explained it when Osuna was placed on leave, as linked in this post:
“Under that policy, commissioner Rob Manfred has the authority to “place a player accused of” such behavior “on paid Administrative Leave for up to seven days while the allegations are investigated before making a disciplinary decision,” though players also have a mechanism to challenge that treatment “immediately.” That provisional authority was previously exercised in the middle of the 2016 season with regard to Hector Olivera and has again been utilized here. It does not suggest any particular final determination, however.”
Read what Jeff just said below, “and the player can challenge it immediately.”
So effectively, the leave only actually happens if the player agrees to it, or if there is significant evidence against the player to negate a challenge.
They haven’t imposed administrative leave in all cases. Not to say there may not be a situation where it looks like the wrong decision in retrospect, but I suspect they are striving to ensure that it is not employed except where necessary.
Isn’t it kinda weird that MLB might have interviewed his gf?
Why?
Well they’re not part of the justice system so by interviewing the victim, it seems like they might not be proceeding based on facts. We have seen charges get dropped and players still get suspended so MLB clearly has their own agenda and I understand they are making it clear they don’t condone domestic voilence. But to interview his gf and then say “ based on what she said we believe he’s guilty” seems like it’s outside of what mlb should be allowed to do. And I know they haven’t said that but it seems like this is where it is headed.
Where there is smoke there is often fire, if he is guilty ban him for life, there is no room for this behavior in MLB or society.
johnny53811……
Their investigation has no more to do with the justice system than any other investigation they have done.
Do you believe that the GF was the only one interviewed and their finding was based solely on that?
The MLB Constitution and the MLB/MLBPA gives the commissioners office full rights to investigate so it is not “outside of what MLB should be allowed to do”. It’s common practice.
Well what else could it be based on? These cases never have evidence. These are he said/ she said cases. But I understand they have the right to investigate as well but what I was trying to say was if he is found innocent, how could mlb be allowed to suspend him fully as if he was found guilty just based on their interpretation of the evidence?
How do you think “facts” are established in court? Judges and juries decide them, best they can, based upon the presentation of testimony and other evidence. There’s no reason to think that MLB did not attempt to gather additional evidence beyond her own statements. Obviously it’s quite a different process, but there are checks in place — both the union and Osuna’s camp agreed not to appeal — and it is necessarily different from a criminal court case.
“How could MLB be allowed ….
MLB, like any private employer, can use quite a different standard for hearing and assessing evidence than can a criminal court. The process here is collectively bargained. MLB can make its own assessment of the evidence (which may be different from the evidence heard in a courtroom, for many reasons).
johnny53811…..Physical assault doesn’t have evidence?
Considering “Osuna will not appeal the decision, the league states.” I would say there is more fire than smoke.
Read the MLB/MLBPA Attachment 52 ( mlbplayers.com/pdf9/5450407.pdf )
These comments were made before the updated article of the suspension and how he said he won’t appeal. So yes now it’s clear to me that he obviously did something wrong.
Fair point but here’s the difference. MLB isn’t sending the guy to jail and MLB is not dolling out “justice”. They are making a business decision that they are allowed to make based on the contract players play under.
They are saying “You’re indirectly an employee of our business and based on what we have found out, we’re going to suspend you without pay for 75 games because you made our business look bad”.
MLB does not have to make this decision based on legal facts, just on what they believe is true and the player is entitled to appeal and could probably sue them if he felt it was unfair.
Just my two cents.
Thank you Deke. I understand the difference now and thanks for explaining without being negative about it
You have never made a mistake or done anything wrong? Judge not lest thee be judged.
Thanks Johnny53811!!
Deke…..”player is entitled to appeal and could probably sue them if he felt it was unfair.” If the player appeals and fails the chance of suing is almost zero. If he doesn’t appeal he can’t sue.
The reason collective bargained arbitration exists is to alleviate the burden on the court system. If a player loses in arb, he can attempt to sue but the case would only be heard if they can prove misconduct etc on the part of the arbitrator. In most all case arbitration is final.
Remember all of the suits that A-Rod threatened? How many did he follow suit on?
@Cat, I’m not sure that’s totally accurate. What I mean by that is the player is still employed by a business. It’s basically an employment contract. If I am suspended from my job for something I didn’t do, and I appeal to HR, and fail, I still am able to take it to court. Yes what will be entered into evidence is that I appealed and they reviewed it and failed. But regardless, they have to follow the law of the land, not just their own laws. A businesses rules cannot violate the law, so if the player could prove that they were treated unfairly, they can still sue, there’s no law saying they cannot.
NOW… the likelihood of success would depend on whether the player could prove that they were unfairly treated which I agree is really hard to do. This was the basis of A-Rods suit, but in the end he didn’t go through with it because he knew he would likely lose.
I think the lawsuits were posturing to see if he could get them to settle out of court for a lesser penalty. They held firm and so he dropped it.
So yes I agree totally that it’s unlikely they would win unless MLB did something really unfair and stupid and I think think they are that dumb, but there’s nothing legally stopping them from suing.
You failed to mention a few things in your scenario….The Union, The Collectively Bargained Agreement, and the Arbitration process (binding or not) agreed upon by all parties. If a payer goes around the arb process I will bet anything it is bounced back to the arbitrator and that is the process that was agreed upon.
Arbitrators are skilled lawyers and often retired judges selected by both the MLB and the MLBPA.
The process is in place for a reason. When was the last time you remember a player sidestepping arb or suing after losing arb? It’s there to lessen the burden.
I will stand corrected on one line “If he doesn’t appeal he can’t sue.” He can but it will almost always be bounced back.
A few bits of reference employment.findlaw.com/hiring-process/employment-a…
employment.findlaw.com/hiring-process/employment-a…
“Remember all those suits that A-Rod threatened? How many did he follow suit on?”
At least one, Cat:
mlb.com/news/alex-rodriguez-sues-mlb-mlbpa-to-over…
majorflaw…..and he withdrew it less than a month later and before a hearing. nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/a-rod-drop-suit-mlb-…
Not exactly following through as he knew he had no leg to stand on.
Basically, the first remedy is arbitration. There, they will apply the “just cause” standard mentioned in the post. After that, yes, you can sue in theory. Courts assessing arbitration determinations typically give lots of deference to those decisions, though, so it’s typically an uphill battle to get them overturned.
I discussed some of this in relation to the MASN dispute. Rare to get this kind of ruling, but it is still not the end of the road to challenging an arb decision: mlbtraderumors.com/2015/11/judge-rules-in-orioles-…
Cat,
Good points. I was considering the arbitration process the “appeal”. Is there both arb and appeal? I thought only one but I could b wrong.
Btw I’m not sure we actually disagree on anything. You took issue with me saying they could sue and they can. I didn’t say they would be successful just was trying to point out that *IF* MLB were suspending people unfairly, the player could sue. I don’t think MLB does unfairly suspend players. The point is that there’s a legal system to ensure that MLB isn’t unfairly screwing players.
But again. I’m not sure we disagree. I think we are saying the same thing just in a different way.
Lol the one he dropped the next month. Good investigative work, Major.
@Deke Exactly lol
So if he’s suspended retroactively and has been on paid leave until now, does he have to pay back his salary from May 8 to present?
That’s a great question – anybody know the answer to this?
WazBazbo….Yes he does have to pay it back Attachment 52 Joint Domestic Violence,
Sexual Assault and Child Abuse Policy…. Sec III Discipline… C. Just Cause…. 2. Paid Suspension Pending Resolution of Criminal Matter.
“Any salary that the Player was paid by his Club during his suspension must be
repaid by the Player if the suspension is converted to an unpaid disciplinary suspension.”
I just heard a rumour that the Yankees are desperate to trade for Osuna
We would never take a guy like that. And no Chapman was nothing like this
The only thing we know for sure is that they both violated the leagues policy, so you’re incorrect, the Yankees would take a guy like this. Not that that has anything to do with this anyways
I love it how you say “we” as if you have a say in the decision making process.
Didn’t you know he has the final word on everything right down to the purchase of paper clips.
Ya sometimes it’s alright to say we. Fans are fans, whatever, it’s ok to feel apart as something bigger. But ya, saying “we” as though you’re a part of the decision making process is a little ridiculous.
Bull. I guess the main difference between Chaps and Osuna is that a firearm was involved in Chaps case.
Sounds more like the kinda guy Joe Maddon can ride to a World Series.
Not if Oakland has anything to say about it….
How will it affect the rest of his career? Simple, if he pitches well, it will be all but forgotten. If he doesn’t, it will be blamed. Just like PEDs.
no one is going to blame domestic abuse on bad performance, what are you going to say – he didn’t have enough arm strength due to the lack of giving beatings at home?
Not exactly what I meant there. I don’t mean the abuse will be blamed, I mean the distraction/suspension will be blamed.
So does he have to give back those paychecks he earned up until now since it was retroactive?
He’ll lose pay for the full period of the suspension. Not exactly sure of the logistics, but he is going to lose nearly half of his salary this year.
Bye bye Hanley!! More to come.
Can someone explain to me how the suspension works?
Reyes got 51 games, Chapman got 30, Wright and Familia got 15. Osuna got 75.
Why is Osuna’s so much higher than the rest? Obviously not condoning assault, but why is the outrage from this situation is so much larger than the others? What’s the difference btwn Osuna’s and the other 4 players?
Genuine question, some explain pleaseee
So, here’s my stab at your question. Often people conflate the legal system with a business decision and they are different. The legal system is a government based system that is based on “Innocent until proven guilty” and “beyond reasonable doubt.”. There’s also another saying that “better 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man goes to jail”.
As a business they are entitled to make any decision they want for their employees provided they are not violating the law. The CBA (in effect the contract players play under) allows MLB to make a decision to suspend someone if they do something bad. Like I said in an earlier post, this is not “justice” it’s a punishment sure, but it’s punishment dolled out by the employer in response to a player doing something that they believe to be true that made their business look bad. It’s not meant to replace the court system, it’s just meant to say to players “dude you did something bad and now in order to show that our business doesn’t condone your douchey behavior, we’re going to suspend you so our business doesn’t suffer”.
So… given that, they can decide the number of games arbitrarily, but I doubt it is, it’s probably based on the level of severity of each individual incident. They don’t say DV get’s you 20 games… because there are different levels of DV (all bad, just some are worse than others”. Therefore based on what they are able to find out, they decide how many games they feel justifies it.
Hope this answers some of your question. As far as “what’s the difference” we don’t know because they are a private entity and don’t really need to disclose evidence to the public, so we basically have to blindly trust that they know a lot of stuff we don’t.
There are significant factual differences in all these cases (and a few others, too). That includes both the underlying allegations and the nature of the evidence in each case. I can’t go back through all of them here, but if you search, we’ve covered all relevant aspects of each on MLBTR.
Jeff, correct me if I’m wrong but MLB doesn’t release all of the evidence they gather. Or do they? I am under the belief that they just release what they feel we need to know so we don’t get bent out of shape.
Hi team. Not sure about American law but in NZ this would be seen as an employment matter, pos idly as well as a criminal matter. The evidence required is only “on the balance of probabilities”, I.e. 51/49 that it happened, not “beyond reasonable doubt”. The employer can interview anyone they thought was relevant to the case. E.g. if you committed fraud at work, they can interview anyone outside the organisation. The standard of proof in an employment case is much lower and this would have been bargained in the CBA. In relation to recouping the money, they just don’t pay him his full entitlement when he returns until the sums are correct. Same as if your employer overpaid you in your job
I don’t think the policy has any standard, and they certainly don’t release all or even some of the evidence (i.e. documents, testimony transcripts, and the like). That said, they have gone much further in explaining the factual findings and basis for the decision in some other cases. Manfred gave a long statement in the Chapman case, in particular. But it has varied. I felt like this one was notably bare, which is why I mentioned it.
“Manfred’s statement does not specify the league’s findings beyond stating that he determined Osuna to have violated the domestic violence policy. . . “
“In another (perhaps related) distinction from some prior precedent, the criminal case against Osuna is still pending.”
While the criminal case will likely plead out there is still the non-zero chance that it will go to trial. MLB could easily prejudice his right to a fair trial by issuing findings of fact now. I’m sure they don’t want to do that.
I was hinting that perhaps they did not go into detail because the legal matter is still pending, yes. That said, I’m not sure how it’d prejudice him much more than the news of the suspension, generally, as awareness of the suspension and story generally would already be something addressed in jury selection.
I’d guess that the lack of detail in the statement was something addressed between the camps when Osuna’s agreement not to appeal was being sorted out.
“I’d guess that the lack of detail in the statement was something addressed between the camps . . . “
I assume you are correct. Can’t imagine the player’s lawyer accepting the findings and suspension otherwise. Besides the length of the suspension what else was there to negotiate.
“ . . . I’m not sure how it’d prejudice him much more than the news of the suspension . . . “
Some folks are still able to suspend judgment after an arrest, correctly noting that a criminal charge is just that, an allegation of wrongdoing. A factual determination by MLB, combined with a suspension, could be given much greater weight than it deserves. As it is they are going to have to find a way to ask prospective jurors whether they are aware that the player was suspended by MLB without alerting those jurors who are not aware. Fun stuff.
As you also hint at elsewhere, Manfred isn’t bound by any rules of evidence, he can consider—and base his findings on—anything his investigators come up with. Hearsay, video/audio without proper foundation, witnesses who required a fee to appear, it all goes into the commissioner’s report. *
I don’t know whether MLB’s findings have been permanently suppressed or just kept under wraps until the conclusion of the criminal matter. Might be illuminating to see what they have.
*Ever read Fay Vincent’s book? For the one and only time in my life I sympathized with George M. Steinbrenner III.
Have not read that book but probably should!
I get what you’re saying re the prejudice. My point is just that I’d expect that anyone with any real familiarity with the fact of the suspension would already be booted from the jury pool. Regardless, it’s probably the right way to proceed here with an on open prosecution.
I doubt the league is going to want to put out more info down the line unless there’s some clear cause. It will be interesting to see how the case plays out, though, and I assume more details will emerge.
“Have not read that book but probably should!”
Of course. But Marvin Miller’s book first, that one’s required reading.
“It’s probably the right way to proceed here with an open prosecution.”
Well, what were their options? Can’t keep the player on disciplinary leave forever. And he isn’t likely to agree to anything which could prejudice his criminal case. So MLB can:
1. Take a strong stance and suspend the player pending the outcome of his criminal case. But by doing so MLB would be assuming certain costs should the player successfully appeal. Team is hurt by loss of player’s services as well.
2. Do nothing pending the resolution of the criminal matter. Obvious PR hit plus potentially even worse hit when case goes to trial.
3. Do something in between, impose a fine/suspension without player’s consent or cooperation. Player may appeal.
4. Work out a deal with the player. Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were three-way negotiations, player, team and player’s wife. Haven’t followed closely enough to guess her input but she may have supported him, not that he would have deserved it.
Unless I’ve missed anything those were MLB’s options. Yeah, I’m not sure what else they could have done. From their POV it’s over and hopefully player will quickly and quietly settle the criminal matter. Have no problem blasting MLB when it/they mess up but really don’t see anything blameworthy here.
Look, don’t get me wrong – anyone guilty of hitting a woman deserves to be strung up by his balls. That said, whatever happened to ‘innocent until proven guilty’? I mean, he’s only been accused, he hasn’t been found guilty. I’m certainly not saying he’s innocent, but if MLB is going to say that anything that shines an unfavorable light on their product is subject to a suspension, then all someone has to do is file a phony lawsuit against a player and even if it’s completely idiotic, he’ll get suspended for being accused? Does that make sense?
“whatever happened to ‘innocent until proven guilty’?” Answer #1….it’s not a court of law. Answer #2 “Osuna will not appeal the decision, the league states.” meaning he accepts responsibility for his actions.
Or it means he knows he can’t win and just wants to get it over with.
Or there is plenty of evidence.
“ . . . he’s only been accused, he hasn’t been found guilty.”
As a result of which he has been arrested and disciplined by his employer. He hasn’t been deprived of his liberty or even, after the suspension, his livelihood. Not sure which part you have a problem with?
“ . . . whatever happened to ‘innocent until proven guilty’?”
It remains exactly where it always has been, the standard in a criminal court of law. It’s meaningless to talk about “innocent until . . . “ in the context of a disciplinary action taken pursuant to a collective bargaining agreement, it just doesn’t apply here.
“ . . . all someone has to do is file a phony lawsuit against a player and even if it’s completely idiotic, he’ll get suspended for being accused?”
That isn’t fair. The player was accused by his wife, not some stranger with no known nexus to the player. MLB talked with the player’s wife and found her credible. MLB also investigated, to the extent it was able, the relevant facts before reaching its conclusion. That is not suspending him based on a “completely idiotic” accusation. If MLB found sufficient credible evidence that the accusation is true I’m not sure how it could have done anything else.
I would add that the league has in several cases investigated allegations and then not levied any punishment because of insufficient evidence.
75 games? No appeal?
He must have done some really bad stuff. If the details come out, his career might be over.
“If the details come out, his career might be over.”
How so? I assume we are talking about a situation in which it becomes known that the player did something(s) awful despite the lack of legal consequences. Can’t think of a player who became so personally toxic that no team would hire him despite his ability to play, can you? No problem coming up with several players who were able to find regular MLB employment after doing something awful.
Yeah, I can think of one that kind of fits – Milton Bradley
Granted, he had already more than worn out his welcome in multiple cities, and with much worse offenses on his record than the last. And at 33, he was on the downward side of his career. But he was just 33 and still hitting in the ballpark of league average.
Yet in May he got suspended a game for arguing with an ump, and about a week later was DFA’d. Unable to trade him anywhere, the M’s released him and no one ever came calling to see how much was left in the tank, despite his salary then being minimum for the remainder of the season.
Have to imagine it was his notorious toxic attitude which kept him from getting another chance to show some value somewhere
“Yeah, I can think of one that kind of fits – Milton Bradley.”
As I wrote my above comment I thought about including an exclusion for players whose career was winding down anyway, but could still play a little, and had made themselves personally unwelcome, sorta like Dave Kingman. I’m looking for a player/players who couldn’t find a job despite still being able to perform at a high level.
Couple of players have killed someone, once their legal problems were resolved it was Play Ball! At the end of his career Barry Bonds couldn’t find a job despite still being able to produce offensively, but that’s the closest I can get. Anyone?
Yes, thought of another who even fits the narrowed parameters – Super-utility guy Scott Spiezio
Not a huge name, but does fit. Issue was substance abuse leading to multiple arests/charges with Cards. Was released instantly after second instances charges. Was given only about a weeks time with new club (Braves) before violating agreement he had made with GM and being cut once more, this time for good from the game.
Had hit for a 120 OPS+ during the Cards 06 WS run (which led to a 2 year contract) and nearly his career average 95 OPS+ in 2007 – very good for a guy who was also playing all over the field
He did less than a positive drug test. Not making a judgement here but 75<81. How does criminal assault if proven compare to using prohibited drugs?
If Osuna is guilty, he deserves whatever he gets. However, I have an issue with him getting a 75 game suspension before he even has a court date. MLB interviewed the alleged victim a, but what if she is lying? What if she is trying to extort Osuna? I’m not saying she is, but it has happened before and if she is, Osuna loses games, money & reputation over a lie.. Osuna could very well be found not guilty. I understand that MLB has the right to suspend players without them being found guilty.. However, to suspend him for that amount of time if he is not guilty seems to be a little much. I would much rather wait for the truth to come out in court than for MLB to assume they know exactly what happened
“ . . . but what if she is lying?”
They didn’t just interview the victim, they investigated the facts. That includes police reports, hospital records, witness statements and the like.
“What if she is trying to extort Osuna?”
This is his wife. Were they to separate she’d likely be entitled to the same cut regardless of DV. Has the player even alleged that this is about money?
“I would much rather wait for the truth to come out in court than for MLB to assume they know exactly what happened.”
MLB does know exactly what happened: the player was arrested and charged with domestic violence. Whether the player is guilty is irrelevant at the moment. The player getting arrested and charged is enough for MLB to act on. This is all CYA stuff on MLB’s part.
1.. Police were called and kept him overnight. They would not keep him overnight on a noise violation.
2 The woman was not his wife but was the mother of his young son. They were not living together.
3. Osuna has a bit of a reputation as fancying himself to be a tough hombre.
4. Likely that he did strike her , this is based on the extreme silence on this.
5. He pleaded not guilty on the advice of his lawyer. A guilty plea would impact his immigration status.
6. My guess is the lawyers are trying to work out some civil settlement because of the problems a guilty plea or conviction would present.
Great comment Tigerfan.
It is well known that he has has off the field and off season issues. It is public that the Jays asked him to spend the offseason in Florida rather than go home to Mexico becuase his off the field issues are so severe.
If I can add a personal observation, even though he points to Jesus and often does the cross thing, it sounds like he is a bad hombre and doesn’t reflect the love of to whom he is pointing. Normally where there is this much smoke, there often is a big fire.
Hmmm. “Hombre” used in consecutive posts. I wonder where that comes from?
I assume it probably comes from the guy using it in the second post having just read in the first and therefore using the same word
Some people know the situation deeper than others on here. Jimmer might know, I don’t want to put him on the spot on this issue. Osuna’s actually fortunate it wasn’t longer than 75 games from what I’ve heard. Jimmer is also correct about the offseason stuff. Jays upper management want the entire team in Florida working out, building relationships with teammates and, to a lesser extent, staying out of trouble if you come from trouble.
It’s so sad that there is more protestations and questioning comments regarding this suspension than for others suspended for Steroids. The guy is accused of beating his girlfriend for God’s sake! There is no defense for that. This decision should be celebrated rather than questioned and nitpicked.