Yankees GM Brian Cashman addressed a few topics of interest with the rival Red Sox in town. Lindsey Adler of The Athletic (subscription link) and MLB.com’s Bryan Hoch were among those to write up the chat.
Of greatest significance, perhaps, were Cashman’s comments on his organization’s intentions regarding its rotation. The veteran executive left little doubt that, as expected, he’ll be looking hard for upgrades to the staff.
Cashman did allow that there were circumstances under which the team would hold pat with its existing group. But that’d only be the case, he said, if “we didn’t think the price tags were appropriate.” A failure to land a starter, he added, would “be more reflective of the inability to find a match comfortable enough to follow through with” than any lack of desire to add an arm.
That’s hardly surprising to hear, as the rotation has long been an obvious area to target for improvement, particularly since Jordan Montgomery went down for the year. But it’s notable that the Yankees are willing to acknowledge their intentions publicly — and at a relatively early stage in the summer trade market’s development.
At a minimum, these comments seem to indicate, the Yanks will likely add a solid depth starter. Even marginal improvements will matter, after all; every regular season win will count in a tight divisional race with the Red Sox. Of course, there’s also still every possibility that the club will aim quite a bit higher.
Getting a significant starter would mean parting with some hard-earned prospect capital. Cashman acknowledges as much. “I have a lot of high-end talent that’s taken a long time to acquire and cultivate, but it’s gonna cost something to get stuff, so we’ll play that game here over the next month,” he said. Cashman indicated that he won’t take top outfield prospect Clint Frazier off the table, though he did note that he’d prefer to retain the young talent.
Of course, some of the most intriguing outside arms are already pitching in New York for the rival Mets. Cashman said he has already been in touch with Mets executive Omar Minaya, who is one of the three executives who are filling in for GM Sandy Alderson. Cashman expressed interest in maintaining an open dialogue. Of course, it still would make for a surprise if those two organizations get together on a significant trade.
xabial
Three heads are better than one?
Will Mets’ three GM’s, outsmart Cash?
Beware, Cashman.
27bronxbombers99
lol never
Old User Name
I trust Cashman. Still I doubt that a deal will get done with the Mets.
costanza
Just like quarterbacks, if you have 3 GMs, you have no GMs.
costergaard2
Good point ! +1
hohnav21
Hahahahaha. The Mets are a shameful organization. You don’t think that Cashman is getting options as well
27bronxbombers99
Cashman is a baller
dimitrios in la
An outstanding GM (and I’m an O’s fan).
xabial
You’ve got Boston barely avoiding $237M tax aka: “10 spots lower next draft” whereas Cashman has successfully pivoted Yankees to $166M opening day payroll — even with the Stanton acquisition, while bearing fruit in the form of his top notch farm gradating, shout out to Gleyber Torres: 21 years, 198 days old — Youngest Yankee with a triple against Red Sox (8-1 W) since Mickey Mantle.
xabial
And shout out to Aaron Judge: Now the fastest player in MLB history to 70 career home runs.
Cam
That’s digging into the well of pointless records, for sure.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
I was looking at the schedule and the Sox Yankees play six times in the last week and a half or so. Going to be epic. Don’t want to be that wild card team… one game playoff.
Hopefully the Sox win tonight against Sonny Gray and we can provide sale some run support.
Then the rubber match Sunday. Good chance for price to prove he can still pitch in a big game (the regular season I mean lol, he doesn’t show up in the playoffs except out of the bullpen.)
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Another thing, Chad green is lights out. He’s scary.. 96-97 is what I saw last night. Great location.
Where the Yankees get all these guys? I mean, the Red Sox have some good young Talent but they don’t quite get the Excellent arms like the Yankees. Our last few starters from the farm have flamed out and been nothing. Henry Owens Brian Johnson Etc.
pflabby
Chad Green was acquired from Dave Dombrowski when he was the GM in Detroit. He also had a part in getting Didi on the Yankees!
ctguy
Dombrowski has been very “helpful” to the Yankees
xabial
Then move along, Cam. It’s a forum.
The Gleyber record is noteworthy because it occurred yesterday, day of this article. You a Marlins’ fan, Cam?
Payroll’s noteworthy because NYY comfortably under 197m lux tax, unlike Boston.
jg_916
The Yankees own Price, always have. Check out the stats.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Well my fingers are crossed for the next two nights.
Adam6710
@ Gary “hopefully we can provide Sale some run support”
The only way to do that is if YOU are actually on the field playing.
bronxbombers
Please stop let the man be a fan and don’t judge him just because he said “we” when referring to a team he roots for. Fans are the backbone of the sport.
CSDollhopf
Amen to this! I think that “we” makes a lot more sense when talking about their college teams but it’s not like I don’t do it with the Yankees.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Adam, I pay the players salaries. I can say “we.”
jekporkins
Sure, great job pivoting for a year, when they had the highest payroll in the game for the better part of all of our entire lives.
thegreatcerealfamine
@Gary so you’re one of the minority owners of the Red Sox.
jlbiii99
Sox traded a lot of them
acarneglia
GARY! Please don’t tell me you are a Boston fan!
johnrealtime
“The only way to do that is if YOU are actually on the field playing.”
Everyone loves a pedant!
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
You don’t agree that merchandise and ticket sales when I go to the game are part of the funds owners use to pay the players and thus I can say we, albeit in a loose sense but because I’m a fan it’s cool?
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
acarneglia… Red Sox in 78 Warriors since 88. Hockey as a young kid but switched to baseball in the 70s. Didn’t start liking basketball till the 80s when I lived in the San Francisco area.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
My one dog is the Buffalo Sabres. Love them since about 73 74. Glory years with great goaltending for a while with Hasek, Ryan Miller, Tom Barrasso, even back in the day with Dave Dryden. The Lesser not as good brother LOL.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Okay looks like I’m getting killed on here. I’ll try not to say we until I can afford the team. But I sure love those Red Sox.
Adam6710
I can almost understand fans saying “we won last night.” There’s a bizarre comeraderie with fans for their teams that I think is ALMOST natural. They view themselves as part of a tribal pack. It’s biological imperative, an evolutionary holdover from “caveman times.”
But to say “we need to give Sale run support” really makes it sound like he’s delusional and thinks he’s in the lineup.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
I get it Adam but I don’t think Alex Cora is in the lineup when he says we.
I don’t think Jerry Remy is in the lineup when he says we.
It’s not so cut-and-dried… I like your first paragraph better than your second paragraph.
But I get it. For me the fan it’s “they.” I’m on board with that. Good post.
Bruin1012
The Yankees have owned price since he has been with the Red Sox before that he was 13-7 with around a 4 era not exactly owning him. They have hit him as a Red Sox player particularly bad in two of those games that skewed the numbers. It will be interesting to see what happens on Sunday night.
Knowthemarket
Think he was referring to the comment about Judge and his 70 home runs and you know it. Let us know if he sets a record for the most doubles in the sixth inning with 1 out on a 2-1 count on the third week of July.
callingoutdummies247
Xabial, Gleyber also has the most hits on Sunday’s in May In an even year at night
jbigz12
Rumor has it Torres has the record record for walks when the weather is exactly 71.5 degrees Fahrenheit.
Adam6710
Alex Cora is in the dugout. You’re on your couch.
youtube.com/watch?v=xN1WN0YMWZU
xabial
jbigz12 Yankee bullpen June .140 BAA is lowest in a month in the live-ball era.
As reported on YES June 29 Red Sox game-1
One more game left June. I implore all my fellow Yankee fans watch todays game against the Red Sox. Sonny Gray’s pitching. There’s a good chance bullpen will get a good work out.
My comeback at that snarky comment jbigz12:
(no offense, appreciate your work here)
Opposing batters, collectively hitting worse than Chris Davis, wow!
jbigz12
No harm intended. just joking around at your expense.
costergaard2
I agree. Yes, we don’t play, but we spend the money, we watch the games, we care. The players don’t always care, and I get it. It’s their job, but our hobby / passion
James self
Padres have anything on the big league roster that could get Frazier?
bleacherbum
Brad Hand.
Kevin Millar suggested that on intentional talk today. Hand would bump Schreve out of the picture and would add a second dominant lefty out of the Bronx pen.
The Padres would be very interested in Frazier but I think even more interested in Chance Adams or Domingo German as headliners.
baseball1600
Something like German + Frazier + Shreve for Hand and Ross could happen assuming the Yankees are interested in Ross/Hand. Probably would need to take on their contracts as well.
bleacherbum
Yeah I like the framework of that deal.
sheff86
Put the glass pipe down.
baseball1600
Don’t see anything wrong with the deal. Hand is the best relief pitcher on the market right now, and Tyson Ross has been having a good season and could easily slide in as the Yankees no. 3 starter. Both have team friendly contracts, and if the Yankees are truly interested in the two I don’t see anything less than the package above being enough to obtain them, as the Astros could outbid them on Hand and the Brewers could outbid them on Ross. As a fan, if you prefer your team not to make an impact trade like this, then whatever floats ur boat I guess.
lammyj34
I don’t think Cashman would let go of Frazier that easily for a guy like Hand. If Cashman deals Frazier I would be for a higher end ball player like DeGrom or Syndergaard. Hand isn’t the type of talent that Cashman would deal Frazier for.
Philliesfan4life
I hope the astros make that deal, that would put them back in the world series
Bruin1012
There is going to be a lot of competition for Brad Hand. Brad Hand is signed through 2020 with an option so controlled through 2021 and he has been outstanding. If someone is able to pry Brad Hand away from the Pads it’s going to be very costly and with all that control their asking price isn’t met then he stays.
baseball1600
May I ask why none of the Yankee fans who down voted my comments cared to respond with rational ideas?
Begamin
baseball1600
dont worry about the downvotes bro. im a yankee fan and the same happens to me. i just assume there are a lot of trolls who think people care about upvotes/downvotes.
MZ311
Frazier only goes in a deal for a top starter, so no.
JaysForDays
Frazier will go to the Jays for Happ and a possibly a throw in.
jdodge22
To get degrom or syndegaard it starts w Torres. No deal for a top anything is gonna center on Frazier. A guy you can’t fit in the lineup. Sorry
Philliesfan4life
The mets shouldn’t trade the yankees thor or degrom and help them win a world series, Alderson would have people at his front door demanding explanations.
thegreatcerealfamine
Stop with the “it starts w Torres” rhetoric cause it’s not gonna happen.
Philliesfan4life
then the yankees are not gonna get degrom lol
toptekjon
Disagree. There is a 0% chance the Yankees trade Torres. If Mets are willing to trade Defrom, it’ll be somewhere around 5 of the Yankees top prospects. Yankees can match or beat any other teams offer. They’re in a great position to land any player that is actually available.
gronk
Angelsfan . Have u checked on the Yankees system recently? They could easily put together a huge package for Degrom without Torres. Don’t get me wrong it’ll drain them of top 100s but Torres is far from the only avenue. Im a life long Redsox fan but I have to give them their due. As far as my Redsox system goes if I was a top prospect I’d just stay in the house rite now!
Philliesfan4life
Boston has gutted their farm system the last 2-3 years for sale & kimbrel
NotaGM
Its the yanks..they will get what they need after a the last fallen seasons
ericl
Sorry Cashman, if you want to upgrade your rotation, you are going to have to give up young talent & it might include some of your young pitchers. Not every team is going to want Frazier. Some teams don’t need an outfielder. It has been reported that they are interested in Happ. Well, the Jays don’t need an outfielder prospect. They need pitching prospects. Frazier isn’t going to get the deal done. If they want to get in on DeGrom or Syndegaard, they are going to have to include at least one top pitching prospect in a deal.
bronxbombers
No way Frazier goes for happ the majority of our top prospects are pitchers so there is more than enough there to get something done.
driftcat28 2
Sheffield’s probably the only young pitcher that’s not getting dealt. I’m sure guys like Abreu or Medina are available. But if you think he’s going to give up the whole farm for one pitcher then you’re on something. The notion that the Yankees have to give up everyone for one pitcher (mainly from people who hate the Yankees) is dumb. Cashman is looking for a stop gap pitcher to help improve this year. He can sign a pitcher or two in the offseason. No reason to deal everyone away.
And I hate to break it to you but a package of Frazier & Abreu & Estrada + a couple lower level guys probably gets a deal done with most teams. The Mets would be doing their team and fans a disservice to not accept that deal since they’re going nowhere and have nothing coming through the system
mlbtrrtblm
I respectfully disagree on that second paragraph. The Mets have two young outfielders in Conforto and Nimmo who should be playing everyday. They also have two veteran outfielders signed through 2020 on contracts that look near-impossible to get rid of, and they’re not going to bench either of those guys when they’re healthy. Frazier is a terrific young talent, but he makes no sense for the Mets unless they can somehow manage to move Cespedes and Bruce (and good luck with that…).
Honestly, unless the Yankees are willing to trade Andujar (they obviously aren’t going to trade Torres), then I don’t think the two teams match up all that well for a deal.
lammyj34
We’ll hold on a second, the Mets don’t have anyone playing first base. Adrian Gonzalez got release, and Dominic Smith started the year down in triple A, Smith is hitting .222 right now and Jay Bruce has played first base before, not a lot of first base but if the Mets are interested in Frazier they could move Bruce over to first
mlbtrrtblm
Smith’s only been up for a few weeks, so they should still give him a chance to play everyday. And one of their top prospects (Peter Alonso) is a first baseman in AAA. So Bruce at first doesn’t really work. And if (BIG IF) Cespedes ever gets healthy, then they still have a logjam in the outfield even under that scenario.
I guess there could be a swap of bad contracts out there for Bruce, but it’s hard to find one. And maybe they could find an AL team with an open DH spot to take Cespedes if the Mets paid down a huge portion of his contract AND he was willing to waive his full no-trade clause. But that happening anytime soon seems remote.
I still think a package has to be built around Andujar & Sheffield for the Mets to consider it.
Say Hey Now Kid
I know the Yanks need pitching now but could this trade be reassessed in the offseason? The Yankees might sign Machado and then be willing to trade Andujar + prospects for 2 years of deGrom or 3 years of Thor
Ronk325
In theory that’s not that bad of an idea but it does pose two problems. If the Yankees miss out on deGrom at the deadline would Happ, Hamels, or Ross be enough to bolster the rotation for this postseason. Also will the Yankees be willing to spend around $30 mil per year for Machado knowing that several key players will command big money in extensions down the line?
Adam6710
As a Yankee fan I do not want Machado or Harper. If the Yanks can’t swing a trade for an elite pitcher, I want Andujar at third, and Frazier in left for the next 6-10 years.
gleybertorres25
Frazier isn’t being offered for Happ. Lol
itslonelyatthetrop
Cashman has contacted the Mets about acquiring Noah Syndergaard’s hair for himself.
frankthetank1985
Ha
walls17
i laughed
tonysdog01
It’s not the Red Sox. It’s about the Astros. He needs Bumgarner or DeGrom. Frazier and Sheffield aren’t getting that done. Andujar, Frazier, Sheffield and a couple hours of their top prospects.
cspaced25 2
I’d pass at that price and that’s exactly the framework Cashman is setting now. They want to upgrade but their not going to get taken to school just bc they do.
driftcat28 2
No thanks, Frazier + Abreu + Estrada + a couple lower level guys probably gets the deal done. And if he Mets are stubborn and not willing to take the best package they’re offered Cashman will look elsewhere. The Yankee hate is alive in this thread with people thinking Cashman needs to give up guys like Gleyber, Andujar, Sevy, Judge, etc lol
El Duderino
I’ve read this entire thread, and nobody has once suggested Gleyber, Sevy, or Judge.
If anything, this thread has been glowing praise for Cashman from supporters of other teams.
Get over yourself.
Adam6710
I think if the Mets are smart they’d take Frazier/Sheffield/Florial and a couple of lower level mid-tier prospects. If Cashman offers them Andujar/Sheffield/Frazier straight-up for DeGrom they’d be morons to reject that.
jbigz12
They’d have to take Sheffield/andujar/Frazier for degrom. Worry about the OF logjam later. Frazier/Conforto/Nimmo could be swapped with another team for a prospect position of need if it came down to it. Though if I was in their position I’d probably look to eat half of Cespedes contract and keep those 3 long term.
dlevin11
Cashman’s only bad move was the Jacoby Ellsbury signing. Other than that he has the best track record in MLB.
frankthetank1985
His only bad move? Come on. While yes I’m a Mets fan and have NOTHING to stand on, and cashman is likely the best gm, you can’t say that’s his only bad move. Not even fully following the Yankees I can think of a bunch right away that kept them financially strapped for a decade and out of the ring ceremony.
driftcat28 2
Ellsbury was more of an ownership/Levine move in reaction to Cano leaving. Cashman wanted to start a rebuild in 2013 by dealing guys like Cano and Robertson
jdgoat
I think the Stanton deal is also going to turn out very bad. He’s just lucky he only gave up one good piece for him. Other than that though everything is pretty good.
Adam6710
Stanton will not wind up that bad. Even if he’s not producing as much at the end and costing the team a hefty amount, in 2025 his salary will not seem so high. By then, the payroll tax threshold will probably be about $230 or more, and guys like Bryce Harper will be earning 40-45M/yr.
thegreatcerealfamine
Adam this guy has been singing that song for months.
jdgoat
Ya because nothing has changed. His contract didn’t shrink over the past few months and years, has it?
Adam6710
Actually it has. The value of his salary has increased since he signed, as the power of the dollar has decreased via inflation.
Learn basic economics.
jbigz12
Inflation ~2% per year let’s not get crazy over here Professor Adam. His contract won’t be enough of a “value” by then for Stanton to opt out in 2020. It probably won’t be an albatross but it’s not a high value deal.
Adam6710
And Ellsbury wasn’t even HIS move, that was a Steinbrenner signing.
Adam6710
Ellsbury wasn’t even his move, that was a Steinbrenner signing. That said, he’s had bad signings and a few bad trades in the past, but I can count them on one hand over a 20 year period.
lammyj34
I agree
Begamin
dlevin11
Im a big Cashman fan, but one mistake he made that always comes to mind is his trade for Chase Headly. I think the Yankees would have been better of with Solarte than Headly, although it did seem as if he won the trade when it was made.
Niekro
They should consider bringing Eovaldi back as a cheaper option unless he is expected to have a very low inning limit this year, which still might not be bad since he probably wont be in the Yankees playoff rotation.
driftcat28 2
Cashman the best GM in the game. If anyone deserves a team president role it’s this guy
Caseys.Partner
“Cashman said he has already been in touch with Mets executive Omar Minaya”
OMG
It’s OK for Mets fans to be terrified. This could be a bigger heist than Chapman for Torres.
ncaachampillini
Cubs fan here. Yeah giving up Torres stings no doubt but it netted the Cubs a World Series trophy. Not a heist.
Caseys.Partner
Cubs didn’t need Chapman, in fact Chapman almost gave up Game 7.
The Cubs lineup won the WS.
thirteen
Chapman helped GET them to Game 7. You can’t assume everything goes the same without Chapman – I’m not a Cubs fan, but if I’m them you don’t regret a single move that Theo made that year. They won the WS for the first time in more than a CENTURY. Flags fly forever. Torres was just a kid prospect. Even watching Torres bloom, it isn’t even a question in Theo’s mind that he’d do the same exact thing all over again.
jekporkins
Couldn’t agree more – can’t say the trade didn’t work because even if Chapman didn’t perform great in the WS, his presence helped push the team harder by showing the commitment to going all the way and helping motivate the rest of the team.
thegreatcerealfamine
Plus the Cubs have Baez who’s better and to has really blossomed, and this is coming from a Yankees fan. Don’t bother with @CaseysPartner he’s just trying to stir things up.
ShieldF123
Baez is better? That’s news to me. At least offensively Torres is definitely the better player, evidenced by an OPS+ that’s ten points higher. Sure Baez has produced a higher WAR so far this year but he’s also played the entire season.
thegreatcerealfamine
Service time fella..everyone stop with these small sample sizes on these rookies..Nats-Soto Yankees-Torres. Right now Baez gets the nod.
ajetergiftbasket
One of my close friends is a Cubs fan and while he agrees that flags fly forever, every time Torres has a good game, he says it stings.
Jimmy S
We will know if Omar Minaya is truly in charge if all we get back in deals are Spanish players lol. He’s done it before
Cardinals17
This is why the Yankees have always been my favorite American League team. If the GM sees a need or the manager expressed a need for players or a single player, the Yankee front office obtains them to keep their team in the competition for a drive toward another AL pennant!!! In St Louis, the head of baseball operations sets his goal at only saving money in obtaining Low Hanging Fruit and rookies to try to fill exposed gaps on their 25 man roster. Mozeliak’s goal is to only try to obtain the second NL Wild Card to get in the play offs. Obviously, he’s fallen behind the times over the past 3 years. His old fashioned philosophy is seeding the Cardinals deeper in the NL Central Division each year. This year will be no exception. Mozeliak will not bring any impact player into St. Louis before the July trading deadline this season. He’ll defer the blame to Mike Mathaney and try to save his own butt again, because Mathaney won’t be able to place a round peg into a square hole with the players Mozeliak will provide him.
thirteen
Andujar will be on the table – Cashman loves selling high, and while Andujar is having an amazing breakout rookie year, so was Shane Greene. If Andujar is what it takes to package with someone like Frazier to get a deGrom, he’ll make that happen.
Cashman also has Brandon Drury and Torreyes, so would feel pretty good about 3B for the rest of the season.
Plus, after this season, Machado is a FA with (probably) no draft compensation involved in signing him. How many times does even Cashman have the situation where a generational talent like Machado is a FA, we have the money to sign him, and the open position to put him? Yeah, Andujar would be on the table for the right starter, but not for anything less than a top-tier starter who has as much WAR value as he does this year and beyond.
Philliesfan4life
The phillies will be the ones getting Machado , not the yankees or the red sox
thegreatcerealfamine
Google the Arod-Machado relationship and come back.
Philliesfan4life
the yankees don’t need machado anyway
thegreatcerealfamine
But the Angels sure do!
rocky7
The Yankees will be in the mix if/when they make a trade for a front line pitcher and that trade dictates that they include Andujar.
eileenyanks
I pray I get this thought out of mind. but does anyone else think Cashman will give up Anduhar for a top pitcher, etc. then let Drury play third??
After all, as Cash said you have to give up to get.
Maybe he knows NY would kill him, lol..
Go Yanks, and Mikeyank55
Philliesfan4life
Imagine if the Astros really stuck it to the yankees and red sox and got both brad hand and degrom haha
thegreatcerealfamine
Imagine if the Angels finished behind the A’s…oh wait that’s gonna happen hahaha
Philliesfan4life
If they get Ohtani back and a healthy richards back, that will change.
thegreatcerealfamine
Keep throwing that against the wall, cause it ain’t sticking.
Steven Chinwood
Hey everyone angelsfan4life42 crawled out from under his bridge.
Houston We Have A Solution
They have the pieces to do it.
But itd involve giving up Kyle Tucker and Forrest Whitley to do so.
Solaris601
Clint Frazier has to be looking forward to a deadline deal more than anyone. He’s spent the past 3 years as a trade chip, and now that there’s little hope he’ll see any time in the Yankee OF, I’m sure he’s looking forward to getting some regular reps somewhere else. SD and TOR both have a surplus of outfielders. MIA is a fit, but Straily is falling apart at the worst possible time. Including Frazier in a deal to TEX for Hamels makes the most sense right now.
Adam6710
Little hope? If he stays on the team he’ll be their every day left fielder next season.
MurderersRow27
Including Frazier for a 2 month rental in Hamels does NOT make the most sense right now…
tigerbreak
Maybe….
SD sends Brad Hand and Tyson Ross
NYY sends Clint Frazier, Albert Abreu/Justus Sheffield and one other 10-15 ranked prospect
KC sends Danny Duffy
NYY sends Clint Frazier and 2 AAAA org guys
TOR sends JA Happ and Ryan Tepera
NYY sends Clint Frazier and Albert Abreu
Adam6710
I think they could get Happ without trading Frazier. As much as I’ve talked about giving him up for a guy like DeGrom, that ace type is all I’d be willing to part with him for.
Frazier makes a pursuit of Harper unnecessary, given how much cheaper he’d be.
aanders515
I’ve been a Mets fan since 96 and I hate the Yankees but you have to give Cashman credit. He does whatever it takes to win and this year the yanks are a pitcher away from winning the world series. There lineup is a monster no one can stop and the bullpen is filthy. My Mets are a joke and need to rebuild, at first the thought of trading deGrom was insane but if we can get Torres Frazier Sheffield I would do it in a heartbeat. We have some good pitching in the farm and Torres and Frazier would be would turn the franchise around. It’s a win for both deGrom gets the yanks a World Series the return gives the Mets hope. All the delusional yanks fans will say that’s to much but you have to give to get, you aren’t getting deGrom without Torres period.
Adam6710
Yes, you have to give to get.
Frazier/Sheffield is a big give. In a vacuum those two would be enough of a centerpiece for a guy like DeGrom. Look at what the White Sox got for Chris Sale.
Given the Wilpon’s resistance to crosstown trades the Yanks would likely have to overpay, and as a fan I’d be OK with them giving Andujar/Sheffield/Frazier for DeGrom (only because Drury is on the roster), but no way on Torres.
That said, I’d prefer to hold on to Frazier, Andujar, and Torres and see if there’s a way to swing a trade for a top arm without them.
The Chris Sale trade proves it’s possible.
Bruin1012
As a Red Sox fan the guy I’m afraid of the Yanks getting is JA Happ. The Yankees surely have the prospect capital to get him and he has quietly been an outstanding pitcher for the last few years. It’s a Yankee pipe dream to think they are getting DeGrom but they can easily get Happ and he is available. The Red Sox struggle against lefties and make no mistake it’s going to be a dog fight in the American League east all the way to the finish.
Knowthemarket
It seems natural that everyone is linking DeGrom to the Yankees. Mets fans say the package builds on Torres or no deal. Yankees fans so no chance. Builds on Clint Frazier. I would say both are incorrect. The Mets are just starting their rebuild and will go with even younger talent. They will want talent that is not yet MLB ready because the rebuild could be as long as 5 years. The package builds around Florial/Abreu with a prospect or two outside the top 100.
I imagine Yankees fans like this deal only slightly better than one that includes Torres but this is a genuine ace in DeGrom and you don’t have any hitting FA after the season. I’m not necessarily saying the Yankees SHOULD pay this price but it will cost something like this.
Begamin
I agree. People only like to mention the names they know, so they resort to packaging the only Yankee prospects they know (even though Andujar and Torres are as much of a prospect now as Judge was this time last year) without realizing the value they packaged together. If you look at the biggest trades for a SP in the last 10 years, none of them required a Gleyber Torres or Andujar type player. Even the trade for Sale wasnt as heavy as that. People point out that it had Moncada and he was the #1 prospect but he was nothing more than that, a prospect. Gleyber and Andujar rookies that are crushing it at the MLB level which provides much more value than any prospect with little to no MLB experience has. Gerrit Cole, Jose Quintana, Justin Verlander, Sonny Gray, Cole Hamels, Chris Sale, all acquired for a package of minor league prospects or low-mid tier MLB level talent.
I think a package of Florial, Abreu, Adams, and maybe a few players like McKinney or Ford can get the job done. Yankees might even want to trade German or Loasiga, who are two very young pitchers with great stuff and the makeup to be very good MLB SP for years to come. I feel like thats a lot to give up for the Yankees.
Adam6710
I think this is a good perspective, but if the Mets could add 3-4 impact players in a trade (Frazier, Sheffield, and Andujar*, for example), they’d be a free agent pitcher away from being serious contenders *next season* (and this offseason could include 3 stud starters, not to mention the likes of Drew Pomeranz, Gio Gonzalez, and relievers like Craig Kimbrel and Andrew Miller).
And even though they’re not the Yankees, they still play in New York, and Mets fans don’t want to wait.
*Yes, the Mets have Todd Frazier under contract, but if they had the opportunity to swap him for Andujar, what fan would say no?
Knowthemarket
What stud pitchers you have in mind? Keuschel? Look at his last three years and tell me what you think. FIP tells you he is just a no.3 starter. ERA+ says he was really good one of those years and bad the other two.
Patrick Corbin? He has been really good but this is his first good year and the year isn’t over yet.
JA Happ? Maybe an okay no.2 but at the age of 35 he looks a little scary and certainly not a stud.
Everyone else that that I see like Sale and Kershaw has a club option or has to opt out. I don’t think either of those are happening. Pomeranze, can you keep the man on the mound? I think the Mets have had enough pitchers that break so often. Gio Gonzalez would be an okay 3 pitcher but he won’t move the needle.
Then there is the problem of farm systems. You are faced with two of the five top farms in baseball in your division, the Braves and Phillies. The Nationals still have young talent on the major league roster with Soto and Robles to come. The Marlins are worse than the Mets now but they already have a better farm system.
The Mets need to rebuild now while they have still have players that teams want or find themselves being left behind by younger teams and become the NL version of the Orioles.
Begamin
Of course the Mets would benefit from a Frazier, Sheffield, and Andujar package. My point, however, was that the Yankees shouldnt have to give up a player like Torres or Andujar to aquire deGrom or Syndergaard based upon what precedents were set in many other trades for SP. If i were the Mets and that package was presented to me, I’d accept. I just dont think the Yankees have to come up with that heavy of a package. (Andujar, Sheffield, and Frazier are actually on my list of untouchables for the Yankees, since they all play a part in the bigger plan. Only one who could be taken off my untouchable list would be Frazier or Florial depending on the the Yankees FO plans for the OF [who they are planning to sign, if they are going to keep Gardner, etc]).
mhdunbar99
Tyson Ross would be HUGE for Yankees. Let the padres choose their favorite NY minor leaguer and seal the deal.
thegreatcerealfamine
lol
bradthebluefish
Frazier doesn’t have a spot on the team given all the outfielders. Trading Gardener or Frazier would be smart though I like Gardener.
johnsonjack87
How Much Will It Help If Either Right Now Or Sometime Before The Trade Deadline,Brian Cashman Trades Albert Abreu,Domingo Acevedo,Freicer Perez,Clint Frazier,Billy McKinney & Estevan Florial For Either Madison Bumgarner,Cole Hamels,Patrick Corbin,James Paxton,Danny Duffy,J.A. Happ,Jacob DeGrom,Chris Archer,Felix Hernandez,Tyson Ross,Lance Lynn or Michael Fulmer.
bobg529
I would move Syndergaard to Yanks for Sheffield, Frazier, and Drury. I really am hoping the Mets don’t move deGrom. Move Bruce to first base. Sell Cespedes for a bag of potato chips and a lousy player to be named later and we pick up the last year of his contract so we can continue to pay him and Bobby Bonilla. Oh yeah,and shoot the Wilpons.