There’s been plenty of buzz about the Orioles’ poor start to the season and the impending free agency of Manny Machado, with seemingly countless reports connecting Machado to various teams throughout the league. The Cubs have been perhaps the most oft-cited match for Machado, but in a radio appearance on the Mully & Hanley show on 670 The Score, president of baseball operations Theo Epstein scoffed at the very notion that there’s any serious market taking shape for Machado at such an early juncture in the season.
“I understand it’s natural for people to connect the dots and there to be this kind of frenzy from time to time, but it’s honestly something we’re looking at and just rolling our eyes at,” said Epstein. “It’s not like July, where every now and then there’s lots of coverage on deals that are actually being discussed or actually might happen. This one is just out there in fantasy land at this point.”
Addison Russell, in particular, has been an oft-suggested component of Machado trade scenarios (FanRag’s Jon Heyman suggested that match last week, for instance). But Epstein noted that when he sees rumors that appear to be “hyper-focused on one player and if there’s essentially nothing to it,” he’ll typically pull the player aside and explain as much in a one-on-one conversation. While he didn’t outright say that he’s done so with Russell, Epstein strongly suggested that to be the case, and Russell himself told The Athletic’s Patrick Mooney over the weekend that he’s paying little heed to the chatter. Elaborating further, Epstein described the amount of trade discussion that’s taken place so far as “essentially nil.”
There’s been no shortage of rumors pertaining to Machado, though the connection with the Cubs has always been a fairly obvious one. Machado was, after all, reported to be a target of the Cubs this offseason, and Russell was said to be a potential component of those talks all the way back in December when Baltimore initially began fielding offers for him.
There’s no recent precedent for a trade of this magnitude taking place in May, and it’s even rare for such transactions to take place in June. The White Sox’ acquisition of James Shields in 2016 is the most recent example of an early-June swap of any real significance. Russell himself was traded from Oakland to Chicago in 2014’s Jeff Samardzija blockbuster, and even that July 4 swap was an uncharacteristically early agreement for a deal of such import.
In a similar vein, recent reports indicating that the Rangers and Royals are preparing to gauge trade interest in their current assets suggest that such processes are only in the nascent stages. It’d be a surprise if the Orioles were drastically further along in the process, if for no other reason than the fact that most teams have not yet plotted their deadline trajectory.
Most clubs, to this point, are focused on the upcoming amateur draft, after which they’ll begin to truly assess whether they’re interested in acquiring assets, selling them, or utilizing players on their current big league roster to address other needs. (Increasingly, there are active teams at each deadline that don’t fall neatly into the traditional “buyer” or “seller” categories.)
There will undoubtedly be teams that don’t make that final determination until even the day of the deadline. Last year’s Twins, for instance, acquired Jaime Garcia from the Braves in late July, only to lose six of their next seven games while the Royals and Indians went on prolonged winning streaks. Minnesota ultimately traded Garcia to the Yankees just six days after acquiring him and also shipped closer Brandon Kintzler off to the Nationals.
All of that is to say, it’s highly improbable that a clearly defined market for Machado will come together at any point the near future. Perhaps a team with an obvious need on the left side of the infield will bowl the Orioles over with an offer earlier than most would expect, but history gives little reason to expect that to happen until the calendar flips to July.
A Machado trade to some team, of course, feels inevitable at this point. But while the Cubs stand out as a plausible on-paper fit — just as they did throughout the offseason — Epstein’s comments bluntly indicate that such speculation won’t come to fruition for quite some time, if at all.
CompanyAssassin
And Goodbye leverage
bradthebluefish
How so? Epstein said the right things.
Kraycik
Epsteen is posturing. To think he doesn’t want Manuel Machado is ridiculous. To think the Orioles would accept a package containing Addison Russell is pure stupidity.
Cough it up Epsteen – you want a pennant right?
Matt Galvin
His name is Manny.
Cat Mando
“His name is Manny”
.Full Name: Manuel Arturo Machado
Kraycik
Nope
Steve Adams
He never said he doesn’t want Machado. He said the amount of reports suggesting specific names being discussed between the Cubs and Orioles is laughable at this point, and he strongly implied that he hasn’t had any real talks involving Russell (or, very likely, any other players).
Mattimeo09
Thank you
fasbal1
I think the names being discussed are Manuel and Manny
getright11
Epstein*
Cubbie Steve
Pure stupidity?
For a 2 month rental.
With how many teams out there in position to make a trade? It takes luxury tax room AND prospects or big league talent. Once you start eliminating teams that are re-setting their luxury tax, are rebuilding, or are in the middle/end of a rebuild (Braves, Phillies, etc), and teams that don’t have top prospects, who is left?
It makes no sense for teams who are contenders to trade core players from the major league roster. It makes no sense for teams stocking up their farms. And it makes no sense for teams looking to reset their penalties so they can try to sign Machado or Harper this winter to trade for him now and go back over.
So where is the demand for a 2 month rental coming from?
And if there are teams that fit all of that, how many have a need for a temporary starter at shortstop?
Get real. The Orioles should have traded Machado last July or last winter. They should be very pleased if they could get Epstein to become desperate enough to make a stupid move like trading three years of cost-controlled, pre-prime years of a SS for a 2 month rental.
andrewf
The Orioles would have to take on some dead weight to trade Machado to the Dodgers.
LordShade
Did you forget what the Yankees got in return for two relievers, one of them being a rental? Clint Frazier, Gleybar Torres and high upside pitchers. If you think trading Manny, even as a rental, for Addison Russell is smart, then you’re not very smart.
justinept
Agree to an extent. The Miller trade is irrelevant to this conversation since he wasn’t a rental. As for the Chapman trade, there was a lot of circumstance to that deal.
1- the Cubs were trying to break a 108 year WS draught.
2- with Russell looking like a 10-year starter in 2016, Zobrist signed through 2019, Baez rotating around the infield, and Ian Happ hitting in the minors, the Cubs were in a unique position where they could part with a top-20 prospect like Torres because they had three guys blocking him in the bigs and a fourth guy who wasn’t too far behind him (rankings wise) in the minors.
The only team that comes close to checking off those boxes in 2018 is the Dodgers. They might be desperate. And they definitely have prospects. But thEy might not look to add to a rental to an injury depleted team that has underperformed.
ASapsFables
justinept: Both of your points are very true. However, when the dust settles down the road and we all look back on the FA signings and trades that Theo Epstein made to finally give the Cubs their first World Series title in any of our lifetimes, history will show that both Gleyber Torres and Eloy Jimenez will ultimately become generational talents who will be perennial All-Stars and perhaps future HOF candidates.
History might also show that the Cubs could win more titles and that they could very well wind up a couple of their own generational talents in Kris Bryant and whoever else they might sign in the future like Manny Machado or Bryce Harper. But strictly speaking to the Aroldis Chapman and Jose Quintana trades along with the FA bust of Jason Heyward and perhaps Yu Darvish. things will be looking very bright in the Bronx and on the South Side of Chicago in the next decade while the Cubs may be drowning in deep luxury tax waters.
brucewayne
But the Dodgers are not 1 player away from winning it all or that player putting then over the top! That’s the difference in the Cubs
brucewayne
and Chapman trade. So I don’t think he’ll be going to the Dodgers!
justinept
All this real about Russell being cost controlled is just ignoring what his super 2 status is going to eventually do to his salary. He’s looking at $10 mil next year in his second year of arbitration. Then he’s gonna get $13-15 million in 2020. Is that really worth it for a career .240 hitter?
Just keep that in mind. Because if he’s still a .240 hitter after next year, the Cubs probably won’t tender him…
Steve Adams
He’s earning $3.2MM this season. A jump to $10MM would be a record-setting raise (on a percentage basis). There’s no way he gets that much in arb, especially since most of his value is tied to his defense, which the archaic arb system doesn’t really value.
His low batting average and lack of power this season will weigh down his price (barring some dramatic improvements, of course).
justinept
I mistakenly thought he was at $4.5 and was rounding up with the $10 mil. But point taken. Given the limited improvement Russell has made at the plate since 2015, though, I do eventually see his arbitration number exceeding his value and wouldn’t be surprised to see him non tendered heading into that final year if the trend of mediocrity continues.
cards81
Although I don’t think they will do it; but the Cardinals actually do make sense. Yes they have DeJong and he isn’t bad at all but this is a good team who just needs a spark on offense. Of course I’m saying this way before the trade deadline, who knows the offense might wake up. But even if it does the Cardinals need that bat to really make a push for he WS…I mean that’s what they are playing for right? The Cardinals have the Pitching to be real contenders. They also have the talent to give a good return to the Os…I’m not the GM of course but from what I’ve read I think a good deal would be Patrick Wisdom 3b- hit over 30 home runs in triple a but strikes out often, Hudson- a very promising arm…this is already to much but the Cardinals could throw in another great outfield prospect…this wouldn’t even hurt the cardinals that much…his bat would hopefully give the offense a spark and enough run support to win these extra inning close games, which are so frustrating …the Cardinals have a lot of prospects who are blocked so it just makes sense considering it wouldn’t even hurt that much
jdgoat
Since they’ve waited this long, I doubt the Orioles would settle on a package that doesn’t include at least one of O’Neill, Flaherty, or Kelly. I don’t think St. Louis can get a deal done without a top prospect
cards81
I could see Kelly going considering Pena has proved a very capable back up catcher and the Cardinals have another decent catching Prospect in AA; not to mention Molina’s contract. No way would they give up Flaherty…Flaherty alone is an over pay…he is a possible #1 starter and definitely a strong # 2 guy in the rotation…i don’t see the cardinals giving up O’Neil but it wouldn’t be the worst thing considering they have Bader and other great prospects in the Outfield
fasbal1
Give them O’Neill and Kelly both, be shocked if either one of these two spend a significant amount of time in big leagues
brucewayne
The Cards will not give up that much talent for a 2 month rental !
AC_Slater123 2
To suggest a team near the deadline that thinks it has a shot at a WS title wouldn’t exchange multiple top prospects for a rental of Machado in favor of thinking about luxury tax and rebuilding is ridiculous. There will be at least 5 teams near the deadline willing to leverage future players to get Machado to help them win a title this year.
brucewayne
You will be quite surprised to find out how little the O’s will get for MM !
bastros88
you should try reading the article above you next time more accurate
cards81
He has nothing to Caugh up unless it’s from the major league roster…and most teams could put better packages together than anything the Cubs would Cough up
twentyforty
You’re clueless as to what Baltimore would receive in such a deal. Think pennies on the dollar, not a premium.
fighterflea
I think you’re clueless if you think that an organization that can afford to re-sign a free agent but puts that player out to bid with as many as 9 bidders can’t get a good deal back.
The Orioles will tell the Cubs what the Cards are offering, the Dodgers what the D-backs are offering. And on and on across as many as 5 divisions. I know I could do it and the Orioles have the experience, the analytics and the motivation. The Orioles will get a substantial return or they won’t trade him, which is a distinct possibility. You’ll see when it plays out. I’m not an Orioles fan and I support a team in the hunt, but I’m realistic.
hale ofann
im a teenager and i understand that all the gm needs to do is leverage each teams’ offers against each other, as you said. its not that hard, ive done it on a much smaller scale before…
brooksnumber5is1
“Orioles have the experience, analytics and motivation” of a first year fantasy owner. Two years ago if the front office really had these traits they would have signed him to a long term deal or traded him.
brucewayne
BINGO! Fans of the team who’s trying to trade the said player always think they are going to get a haul
rondon
There are very few things GMs value more than team control. The 3 years of control of Russell has huge value. No one is comparing him to Machado, but his defensive metrics are strong, has proven himself with big hits on the biggest stage (NLCS/ WS) and is only in his 3rd year in the majors. He’s the kind of player the O’s could build with at this point. I think they value Russell more than you think but they’ll hold out for the team that’s desperate at the deadline- Which is what they should do. But I doubt it will be Epstein.
ASapsFables
If the Orioles really value team control perhaps they will take 28-year old former WAR darling Jason Heyward’s 5-1/2 remaining years along with Addison Russell’s 3 1/2 years of arbitration. That would give them 9 years of control in exchange for the last 3 months of Manny Machado.
Adding in Chris Davis 4-1/s remaining years, who they retained as a free agent after bidding against themselves back in 2015, the Orioles could begin their next chapter of reloading this summer with 13-1/2 years of total control split among SS/RF and 1B! lol
desertbull
Trading off the MLB roster for 1/2 season of Machado freaking ridiculous.
And Russell is 24 with 3 years experience, 3 straight years an everyday SS on an NLCS/WS team. a 20 hr 90+!RBI season and WS late inning clutch hits.
ASapsFables
C’MON MAN!
Most Cub fans would be freaking thrilled if they traded not just one but two players off of their MLB roster for 1/2 season of Manny Machado.
Along with losing Addison Russell Theo & Co. should insist the Orioles take 28-year old Jason Heyward who has even more credentials than their young SS with 9 years experience, 3 straight years as an everyday RF on an NLCS/WS team along with 33.6 career WAR and 5 Gold Gloves AND 3 other appearances in an NLDS and one NLWC! lol
rondon
You’re repeating yourself.
ASapsFables
Just a little sarcasm directed at two separate comments and myself as well!
brucewayne
No such thing as CLUTCH hitting! Plus doesn’t Russell have a domestic case still pending ?
xabial
If the Dodgers were in playoff race, would they be in these trade-talks? Seager’s out for the year, and Kershaw ‘s in a potential contract-year. Dodgers should be in, on the trade-front for Machado.
Who knows,? Maybe Dodgers’ 22-27 record, actually provides them with more leverage. Sorry, I see more Dodgers’ than Cubs, in these hypothetical Machado trade-talks. GM smokescreen.
Kraycik
Good point- but perhaps the Brewers or Rockies have the talent in their system to make a deal?
hiflew
Rockies need a 1B or a corner OF or a catcher far worse than a SS. Unless Trevor Story is part of the return for Machado. I could get behind a Story, Murphy, Senzatela for Machado trade. It would push for the Rox to get their first ever division title and clear space for Brendan Rodgers in 2019. It could also allow for resigning LeMahieu as well.
That package could probably be bettered by another team though.
Steven Chinwood
In that division everyone’s in the race, minus the Padres of course.
lowtalker1
Why?
The only team the padres haven’t been near equal to or better than in the west is the dback and look at them now
West is weak right now it’s anyone’s game
Bocephus
Funny-Funny stuff. Padres..hahaha
its_happening
Nobody’s running away with the NL West. Dodgers have somehow managed to remain a factor for Machado. I agree, they may be going strong for Machado while Epstein gets a manicure.
jekporkins
I suppose they could be in on it, and they have a little wiggle room under the tax. Maybe they are waiting a month to get salaries paid off a bit. I believe they have about $18 million to play with. .
Cubbie Steve
As a cubs fan I would love it if LA made a move to go back over the penalty threshold this summer and screwed themselves heading into next off-season.
That said, outside of the Cardinals, an NL West team seems like the best fit to me.
CobiEven
As a LA fan I was ecstatic that the cubs signed Darvish. I like huge bloated contracts on their payroll.
Dodgethis
Um The Dodgers spent the last few years brand building by taking on massive contracts. They don’t have the funds to cover the contracts and went deep into debt. The company that owns then is footing the bill. Now the Dodgers are trying to get more in line financially with the rest of the league and they simply can’t afford any big contracts. The Dodgers holding company has a very long term plan, but criticizing any teams financials as a Dodgers fan is laughable at best.
Kenleyfornia74
You keep telling yourself that. The only reason the Dodgers are under the tax is because the penalties have would have been really huge if they stayed over again. Re setting back to no luxury tax penalty puts them in easy position to spend big this offseason. Take off you orange and black glasses so you can see reality. It has nothing to do with debt
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
That is not at all true. They spent a TDL brand building to get fans into back to the stadium that much is known. Which is where they took on a majority of there egregious contracts sans Colletti. If you’d like discuss the so called egregiousness of the middling 50M type contracts be my guest, but I don’t think anyone is going to spend their time on. It might cripple a middling market, but not one pulling a 300M+ annual tv contract and 4M+ fans beyond all the extra income sources.The simple fact is the majority of the debt was set by the courts. Which quiet honestly was negotiated into the tv contract, which like all billionaires will be set to be paid off without spending their own money. I know other teams weren’t happy about their pay in’s to rev sharing program as the % was extremely favorable before and after the new CBA. Especially the in the new iteration of the CBA. So sure if you’d like to believe they couldn’t afford blah blah blah be my guest. But in all reality the plan was made clear from the get go. They were going to take on the huge expensive contracts to shed themselves of long term commitments,buy prospects, and give themselves a chance to contend/get people back to the stadium while attempting to build through the farm. Which they followed and never deviated from. In a market like LA that’s important to note especially seeing as how the fans essentially forced McCourt out and rebuilding wasn’t an option. Did they lose money? Sure, from the aspect that owners weren’t putting excessive amounts of revenue back into their pockets, but in reality they didn’t. The reason they weren’t able go over the threshold was pretty simple, they destroyed their rev/debt ratio on one time expenditures to exploit a loophole in the former CBA. Out of the grace period they weren’t going to do the same as it was undoubtedly a league mandate and they weren’t going to face the consequences of mlb action. Plus it doesn’t hurt that the loopholes were closed in the CBA. So let’s please try again with facts and be a bit more informed.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Without the sweeping generalizations. This feels like a prime discussion with PadsFan.
Djones246890
Given today’s market, it really isn’t huge or bloated. Cubs own a printing press, and are printing their own currency.
brucewayne
Like the Dodgers can’t do the same
fighterflea
1. I don’t take it as a given Manny gets traded. The Orioles are below their historical salary ceiling and will be even further below this off-season. They have money to play in the ‘Manny sweepstakes’ so taking a chance by holding on to him is a distinct possibility.
2. I see 9 teams, impacting 5 division races, registering interest, in no order Cubs, Cardinals, Dodgers, D-backs, Braves, Phillies, Astros, Yankees and Red Sox. Manny won’t come cheap in a trade or free agency.
3. On timing, the Orioles have a potential move to make once the Manny situation is resolved. If Manny is moved, I’m figuring the O’s retain Adam Jones and work to re-sign him.
4. Based on performance this year, Manny offers approx. an additional +6.2 in WAR if traded now. By the trade deadline it will be less. You could say, “Who cares in the long run?” but the market will care because only contenders will be in on trade talks. Some of those 9 teams may no longer be contenders by July 31.
thegreatcerealfamine
Take the Yankees off that list.
RedRooster
Trading Machado doesn’t mean the Orioles can’t re-sign him. They aren’t making the playoffs this year so his last 2 months of control really have no value to them while the prospects Machado would net in a trade do. If they want to keep him they should try to do what the Yankees did with Chapman.
Djones246890
Why would he want to waste his best years in a baseball black hole of misery?
javier 3
LAD nor the cubs or Yankees or redsox will AQUIRE Machado. I would write why but it will take to long
Dodgethis
And since you didn’t say why every one ignores you and assumes you’re a child not capable of dimensional thought.
CubsFanForLife
Being able to succintly state your argument is an invaluable skill. The best comments on MLBTR, IMO, include details to support their arguments, yet aren’t 250+ words. The least you can do is try.
lowtalker1
I have this thought that no one trades for him and he turns down a qo
bastros88
that would be a very Orioles thing to do
RedRooster
Starting to get the feeling that this will happen myself.
hale ofann
ngl, i would put money on it.. the same goes for britton, jones, etc. i feel like they will hold on to jones since he is the face of the franchise, machado cause they wouldnt like the return, and britton due to relative underperformance making no teams willing to take the risk.
CobiEven
Machado will be traded but just for a little more than JD. Machado is a pure rental and the price for those has been established. He will fetch a little more than Martinez but that is do to the multiple positions he can defend at a high level. This is why Baltimore is playing him at short.
CobiEven
He will be traded because the value of the team get from the player turning down a QO has dropped. Machado will get traded for a little bit more than Detroit received for JD due the defensive value of Machado.
mehs
How has the value dropped for the Orioles if he turns down a QO? They wouldn’t still get a pick after the first round just like they always would have in the QO system.
Caseys.Partner
Ricketts told Epstein “I’m not signing a player like that so don’t give up anyone you need next year.”
Djones246890
Ricketts doesn’t involve himself in baseball decisions. He said Theo runs the team, and he backs whatever decision(s) he makes. Theo has an endless wallet, as well.
allmighty
He will go to a team that will offer him a deal next year ….
Steve Adams
He’s not signing an extension unless some team wants to just offer him $400MM+ in July/August. He’s going to be a 26-year-old free agent, which is virtually unheard of. He’s a pure rental unless the acquiring team utterly shatters Giancarlo Stanton’s current $325MM record.
ASapsFables
Of course, Bryce Harper will also be joining Manny Machado as one of those “virtually unheard of” 26-year old free agents this offseason. The Cubs figure to be strong contenders for either next winter where one of them may join yet another another one from December of 2015 in Jason Heyward (ouch).
brucewayne
It would take an incredible offer to make him sign an early extension
bradthebluefish
Cubs need pitchers, not more hitters.
CubsFanForLife
Cubs need their pitchers to perform better. The talent is already there, I don’t think they need to go and acquire any more pitching. Except bullpen help, every team could use that.
justacubsfan
It’s all about improving… cubs technically need more help with pitching, but if there really isn’t a deal might as well improve in other areas. And to the guy above there’s really only Cubs, Dbacks, Cards, Brewers, Dodgers in the Machado stakes. AL contenders would have to massively overpay (especially AL east) and there is tons of options for bats this deadline. I think the cubs need to bank on improvements from Yu, Chatwood, Quintana and more consistency offensively. The defense is there, the offense is solid, bull pen is good enough (but injuries happen and technically anyone could use 1 arm for depth) but SP needs to improve. If they are still hanging near other NL central teams and the offense stalls, I think they instantly become favorites to trade for him. But cards, Dodgers, Brewers all have more to give likely than cubs. I really think people need to relax is what Epstein is saying. It’s end of May, there’s almost 2 months before they really need to make that decision to trade for help or stay the course. If the last 3 years says anything, the cubs will trade for a couple guys minor or major, to improve quality or give depth to get through summer.
justacubsfan
And why I don’t think the Braves or Phillies will trade for him is cost. They are still doing a marvelous job rebuilding and you don’t make a move like this until you are in go for broke stage of rebuild. They might be starting to get towards that. Another team I could honestly see trading for him is Nationals. They desperately want to win, and could have him at SS and move Turner to 2B if Murphy is hurt or OF until Eaton is healthy. I don’t know how much Baltimore will be aching to help Nats, but it’s more likely than Braves or Phills.
fighterflea
Justacubsfan: You gave yourself away when you suggested the Nationals. Peter Angelos feels the Nats have invaded his market and his revenue stream. Angelos would sooner send Machado to the Korean League than to Washington. He would be sending his fan base a short distance down Hwy. 95. In your terms, imagine St. Louis was 40 miles from Chicago and the tv deals, etc. reflected 2 teams with substantial fan overlap. Then picture the movement of a superstar from 1 team to the other. Or imagine the Chicago teams competing in the same league. If that weren’t enough, the Nats have a guy named Bryce Harper with a contract to think about. Washington could try for Machado in free agency if Harper were to bolt. But it would be a monumental bidding war.
Philly and Atlanta are realistic destinations for Machado. More than Milwaukee. You’re misreading the state of their respective rebuilds. Look at the standings.
cards81
If I look around the league the only fit I see is te Dodgers, only if they turn it around…Cleveland, but only if they can beat out….the Cardinals…who have questions about the roster moves to make but as for as prospects they have the Os covered better than anyone but the dodgers maybe…but like I said have to turn it around and find a trade to get under the luxury tax…will the Cardinals do it?
Bocephus
You do realize the Indians are pretty set at shortstop.
cards81
He also plays third base…and don’t say he doesn’t want to play third…he will play where the team who traded for him ie. The Indians, tells him to play…I’m sure he won’t mind if it’s a contender
ASapsFables
Theo Epstein would have been a little more convincing with his scoffing of the Manny Machado rumors had he omitted those last three words from his public statement. (insert eye roll here).
stan lee the manly
I personally don’t see the Cubs as much of a match. Baltimore needs pitching, and a lot of it. The Cubs are incredibly thin in terms of pitching depth after putting an emphasis on their offense, which is why they went after Darvish. Trading away any of their top pitching prospects is really going to hurt them in the near future, pitching depth doesn’t get replenished overnight and there’s only so many times you can sign a free agent to cover that gap until you are stuck with a rotation of aging, declining pitchers on large contracts
ln13
A Machado trade is not inevitable. Remember who the owner of the Orioles is, along with his fellow incompetents running the team. The Orioles are going to over-ask and no one will bite. Manny will finish the season as the Orioles shortstop, and they’ll get a compensation pick for him next year. I have no confidence in the management of this team to make a trade.
Djones246890
He’s better off trying to sign him outright when he’s a free agent. That’s why he’s saying it laughable, because it is laughable to try and trade for him. Why give up a huge haul and then still have to (potentially) give up a ton of money to try and sign him?
Djones246890
………he’s not suggesting he isn’t interested in obtaining him, but for that price…..forget it. The O’s have no leverage.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
They dont need him and probably cant afford him anyway. Don’t break up their core players for a rental. Not worth it.