Dodgers ace Clayton Kershaw threw five useful innings today in his return from the DL, but the outing did not end quite as hoped. He’s headed for an MRI after experiencing back tightness during the outing, skipper Dave Roberts tells reporters including Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times (Twitter links).
Though the outlooks remains entirely unknown, it has already been decided that Kershaw will not accompany the team on its upcoming road trip to Denver. That’s not surprising given the nature of the problem, to be sure, but neither would it be a shock to see Kershaw end up going back on the DL if there’s any concern at all about his health.
This sort of uncertain, early injury news arises with some frequency, but the backdrop here is hardly common. Kershaw, who had been out with biceps tendinitis, has dealt with back problems in recent years. The health of his back was, entering the present season, perhaps the only real question facing the game’s greatest active pitcher.
The stakes are high for all involved. For the Dodgers, the presumption of a healthy Kershaw was a key factor in the team’s pre-season designation by many as a favorite to return to the World Series. With a middling start to the season, he’s all the more important. Meanwhile, baseball’s preeminent southpaw is pitching in advance of an anticipated first entry onto the free-agent market at season’s end. He has long been expected to opt out of the final two years and $65MM of the extension he signed back in 2014.
Clearly, the full picture is not yet known. But there are signs both concerning and somewhat promising. Kershaw had already shown reduced fastball velocity before hitting the DL, averaging 92.1 mph with his four-seamer to open the year. Though he mustered five innings of one-run ball this evening, he was topping out at just 90 mph — quite a notable drop-off. That said, the balky back offers something of an explanation. In his comment after the game, Kershaw suggested that the back issue is more comparable to the less-serious problems he dealt with last year than those that set him back for a longer stretch in the prior campaign, as DiGiovanna notes on Twitter.
For now, it’s enough to say that there are more questions facing Kershaw than anyone hoped for when the season got underway. Even before tonight’s outing, he was allowing more homers than usual (1.43 per nine) while his swinging-strike rate sat at 11.7%, well off the level he had worked (14.1% or better) over the prior four seasons. The results have still largely been there, as they were again tonight, but it is certainly concerning that he’s again headed in for an examination after only just making it back to the majors.
hunthutch
Rip
Solaris601
The probability of him opting out is eroding each day. While that seems like good news for Dodgers fans, you really don’t want the constant DL trips for the remainder of that contract. I guess the good news is his left biceps seems fine?
xabial
2 years, $65M is hardly franchise-crippling, especially for Dodgers. You don’t ever, ever mess with back but… Probably of him opting-out for me, went up from 0% to 1% with this news, until we get the MRI.
Sorry! maybe I’m too optimistic. He’s been all-star every year since 2011, I’d be more sad, if he didn’t make his 8th straight all-star team.
vacommish
I’d take those options year terms and take my chances – said every other MLB franchise ever!
xabial
Agreed 100% vacommish. We’ll see results of MRI.
xabial
Probability of him opting-in for me *
RedRooster
If the Dodgers were to try and trade him, do you think other teams would be willing to take him and his contract? If you answer yes, the odds of him opting in are effectively zero.
Perksy
They’re not trading him and no one is going to take him. You can’t trade for a guy making $30m a year that can’t stay on the field. No matter how dominant he once was.
thetruth 2
If he was available for trade, teams would be lining up in droves. Don’t underestimate the appeal of an ace.
baseball365
Odd to hear this from “the truth”
You got one part of that right. He is an ACE. But an injured one. Every dominant pitcher goes through some valley like this in their career. You could argue it’s timed well for the Dodgers since the rest of the team is underperforming or injured. It’s just a lost season and no, not a single team in baseball would take Kershaw at the moment. Swallow your ego as a fan and realize the truth. And my comment doesn’t mean he won’t get back to classic Kershaw, because he could. Just needs to cycle through this for a year or two and then reassess.
reflect
He’s the best pitcher in baseball, and the 2 year contract would be a lot less risky than any equivalent free agent signing. Teams would absolutely trade for him.
baseball365
I am baffled by this logic. Seriously, Baffled. It’s almost like some people can’t separate themselves from fantasy video game play or real life any more. I’ll say it again, there isn’t a single team at the moment who would trade for Kershaw without a clean bill of health. In the fact the whole topic is dumb since the Dodgers wouldn’t get full value. I can’t believe people are arguing over this. Love the comment above 2 year contract would be “less risky”. How so? The guy is injurrreedddd!!!! No one knows how long or the extent of what he is dealing with. Maybe he needs a minor surgical repair, but that sets him back to late Spring next year. Who the heck knows.
mikeyank55
Hey baseball—the posts above yours are created by people who simply enjoy reading what they write and thinking of themselves as smart.
It’s not just the $32 million per season for two years. It’s the taxes associated that add and even the “rich” Dodgers don’t want to tie up cap space…though they will have to.
When was the last time that such a storied pitcher was traded with such risky injury and risks as well as evidence that performance has been affected?
NEVER
BlueSkyLA
Kershaw wasn’t going to be traded healthy, and he can’t be traded injured. Doesn’t that pretty much cover everything? Difficult to know what’s left to debate on that point.
The real question raised here is what the Dodgers do with the rest of this miserable season. The answer seemed pretty clear to me a month ago and it is even more obvious now.
OverUnderDone
Dodgers are 3 games out of 1st place. With 4 months to play.
I’m not sure the season is list.
OverUnderDone
Lost
BlueSkyLA
Several real-world considerations:
-In order to come to a weak 90-win season, they’d have to play .600 ball from this point forward. This wins them the division only if the other teams in the division cooperate.
-The entire opening-day rotation is currently on the DL or otherwise unavailable.
-The bullpen is awful.
-Their most important bat at the top of the order is gone for the year.
-The plan to remain under the luxury tax means they have very little ability to address any of these problems.
-Even if they could sneak into the postseason, this team is unprepared to compete with the teams that are.
Other than that, it looks really good for the Dodgers.
Perksy
Yes but tendonitis comes and goes. The back is much more worrisome. And is career threatening – see Donnie baseball, David Wright, and Justin Morneau.
BlueSkyLA
Been saying since the beginning of the season that the opt-out was far from certain. The back problem is clearly chronic and it is not going to get better as he ages, only worse, and that will be a major factor in calculating his value going forward. A year and a half ago it looked like he might be headed for a procedure. He escaped it then but I would not be at all surprised if that happens now or in the near future.
Solaris601
Right, back problems don’t go away, they are just managed by the medical staff. Jim Thome is the only player I can think of in recent memory who remained exceptionally productive while dealing with back issues. At this point I don’t see Kershaw opting out, but just as important I don’t see the Dodgers making an offer to pre-empt an opt out.
BlueSkyLA
Depends on the issue I believe. Vertebrae can be fused surgically if that’s the problem, but an athlete might never be the same again afterwards. If this current bout results in a procedure of some kind then for sure he does not opt-out and the Dodgers can and will punt on the extension question. If it’s a missed start or two then the picture is more complicated, but it still looks like the player would be unlikely to opt-out if only because his health issues will become a major factor in free agency.
Mendoza Line 215
It seems to me that Kershaw likes it in LA and probably would have accepted the $32M per year for the next two years,especially in light of the market last year.Although not injury prone,he has had his share over the years.Also,his post season sucess has not been tremendous.There are only a few teams who could afford that contract too.
I think it now a moot point.
He certainly has been a great pitcher,though.
baseball1600
cLayton
redsfan48
Even when healthy, I don’t think Kershaw is the best pitcher in the Majors right now (see Scherzer, Max). Discuss.
dimitrios in la
You could certainly make a case for Max—he’s terrific and healthier—but he’s not yet unseated the best of this era.
Perksy
Injuries are a big part of it. Scherzer is the better pitcher right now and has been the last couple of years.
kbarr888
If you had a one-game playoff against another team at this point in time….. there’s no way that you should choose Kershaw over Scherzer.
Kershaw has been a better pitcher overall, to this point…. but Mad Max is certainly a more dominant pitcher lately.
thegreatcerealfamine
Actually Verlander over those two, and he’s proved it. Kershaw is charmin in the playoffs.
Mikel Grady
Kershaw choked game 6 nlcs against cubs and scherzer choked game 5 nlds in relief game 5 against cubs. Think Lester is the one to take when talking playoffs .
jekporkins
Tell that to the Oakland A’s in the 2014 one-game playoff they lost.
OverUnderDone
MadBum would like a word….
acehammer
Max is the best pitcher in baseball. He didn’t need to unseat Kershaw; he abdicated through consistent time sitting out with injury. Max is on his way to a third consecutive Cy Young.
Kenleyfornia74
Scherzer broke out when he was 28. Kershaw was winning cy youngs at 23
thegreatcerealfamine
How does that matter?
kbarr888
Exactly!……It doesn’t matter.
Choosing the league’s best player, or best pitcher…. has nothing to do with what happened 3 years ago…. or 8 years ago.
Now if you’re compiling a list of the All-Time Best Pitchers….. Kershaw’s name is on the list but it’s not at the top for sure.
Kenleyfornia74
It doesn’t but just for legacy purposes. Scherzer will pass Kershaw in cy youngs this year but that wont make his career better
thegreatcerealfamine
Yet
Michael Chaney
Scherzer could very well be the best pitcher in the game right now, but even as a biased Indians fan I think it’s reasonable to at least suggest Kluber.
thetruth 2
Scherzer has a higher strikeout rate and a better FIP.
reflect
You guys need to consider context. Kluber pitches in the AL. Scherzer has the easiest division in MLB.
Kayrall
Wrong.
thegreatcerealfamine
Justin Verlander says..I’m “Back” and have taken the title that “Back”!
thegreatcerealfamine
**taken that title “back”
Ironman_4life
Five of the last seven Cy Young awards were taken by either Scherzer or Kershaw.
mstrchef13
In the NL. AL pitchers have a Cy Young Award too, you know.
therealryan
Which of these guys is the best exactly? Here are Kershaw, Kluber and Scherzer’s stats since 6/1/2106, or right about the time Kershaw first got hurt.
SP A: 2.41 ERA, 55 ERA-, 2.93 FIP, 68 FIP-, 2.91 xFIP, 68 xFIP-, 43.8% GB%
SP B: 2.38 ERA, 56 ERA-, 2.66 FIP, 64 FIP-, 3.18 xFIP, 76 xFIP-, 34.4% GB%
SP C: 2.29 ERA, 57 ERA-, 2.95 FIP, 71 FIP-, 2.83 xFIP, 67 xFIP-, 47.1% GB%
Caseys.Partner
” he was topping out at just 90 mph ”
I saw one 89 mph, but mostly 87 mph.
Just to be safe Dodgers fans should start chanting “Opt out! Opt out! Opt out! Opt out!” at the start and end of Kershaw’s innings.
mattman4499
No dodger fan would ever chant “Opt out” Just like every fan of any team would chant sign him if he did opt out. It’s Kershaw. That’s just ridiculous to say we would want him to opt out
xabial
Feels like Casey knows that, but trying to social engineer LA fans to say that because he thinks it’ll increase the chances Phillies sign him, Machado, Harper and become the GS Warriors of Mlb (Not roasting you Casey, I agree with you, I think they’ll sign Machado)
mattman4499
Machado yes. Harper no. Best wait for Trout to come back home to think they have a chance at being a GS warriors of the mlb. Will seriously need to upgrade the pitching staff tho.
Kayrall
What does GS Warriors mean?
xabial
What Cashman called BoSox, when they acquired Sale.
GS are a “super team” which is what the Phillies would be, if they pulled off Machado, Harper, and I jokingly said said Kershaw. If GS wins Finals they’d have won 3 of the last 4.
Caseys.Partner
“increase the chances Phillies sign him, Machado, Harper ”
Harper and Machado.
The Phillies are all done with pitchers.
Trout? He’ll fit perfectly with Harper and Machado. Hoskins back to first.
Remember, Santana’s contract is short and he’s old. As soon as Trout is available to join the parade(s) the spot opens.
I don’t want to defeat the Yankees in October, I want to embarrass them and then do it again the following year.
thetruth 2
Not happening. There are more prestigious teams offering just as much out there. If the Yankees want either Harper or Machado, that’s where they’ll go. Machado was already campaigning to come and Harper grew up a Yankees fan. Trout is not going to go to the Phillies when he has other options. The Phillies waited longer than any team in history to win their first WS, botched their 2011 season and historically fail most of the time.
thegreatcerealfamine
You really should take your lithium as prescribed.
xabial
I thought “social engineering” was a clever joke. I think the Phillies will be major FA players — even more so now that they’re competing, (I don’t know about them signing Harper, and Machado, but severely think you’re underestimating them.
Secondly, I don’t want Machado, (Phillies can have him, entitled to my OPINION)
Just ask everyone to read the conversation flow, then tell me who needs the lithium. (?)
TCCF, did you get hacked?
xabial
Not sure who that comment was directed towards, but it was indented under me. Not gonna lie, Blind-sided coming from you… You’re like the 1 dude, I feel doesn’t hate me here, lol
thegreatcerealfamine
Casey
xabial
Man what a relief… go to recent comments, says “reply to xabial”.. I was like: “Noo you too!!” lol
Thanks, I appreciate your honesty.
thegreatcerealfamine
Maybe I messed up. I usually post on my IPad but I did this one my phone. Casey really can’t be serious with his posts…
mikeyank55
Hey Casey…before you start talking about your Phils embarrassing the Yankees let them start by getting good at embarrassing the Mets for a few seasons.
They have young talent no doubt, and their income stream will put them in the FA game this fall. However it’s a building process.
I’m sorry that you’ve had such a long deep rooted resentment against the Yankees. I didn’t realize that the embarrassment of the 2009 WS loss could hurt for so long.
wiggysf
Nah xabial you’re pretty cool for a Yankees fan lol
mstrchef13
Hey mikeyank55… 90% of baseball fans have a deep rooted resentment of the Yankees. Comments like yours are 80% of the reason why.
thegreatcerealfamine
Is this a Poll you personally conducted with your own money?
Mendoza Line 215
This may have been caused by the 1950 World Series result.
Perksy
Trade hm to the Yanks for Stanton.
mikeyank55
He’s NOT being traded. With reduced velocity and other key indicators, this is not the Kershaw $32 million – worthy two year contract pitcher.
He IS going on the shelf now knowing that he can take this season to repair and recover.
However he WILL NOT be opting out as he IS NOT getting a more lucrative, long term contract under these circumstances. So he will stay put and either produce in 19 and 20 to gain another big pay day; or he WILL NOT produce and then next two years will repeat with bad money paying for strictly prior performance.
wiggysf
I think that was sarcasm, and depending on this injury, I think he’ll opt out too. I certainly hope he gets healthy upon his return, cause that would force the Dodgers to spend more to retain him. Speaking as a Giants fan.
OCTraveler
Lifetime Dodger fan and I remember when Koufax walked away earlier than expected due to elbow issues – just wondering if we might see the same for Kershaw because of his back? If so, it was special seeing both of them pitch in person.
MetsYankeesRedSox
It took a while of scrolling down to find your post. I feel the same way about Kershaw. I’m a fan of his and minus a couple hundred K’s, his wins & ERA are almost identical to Sandy. Drysdale put up similar numbers. Both out of baseball early by today’s standard. It’s just too bad the money has ruined the game. Taking the rest of the season off would do him a world of good, but we know that’s not gonna happen. He’s already a lock for Dodger Hall of Fame.
BlueSkyLA
You might as well say that sports medicine has ruined the game, with so many previously career-ending injuries now being treatable. Money has always been in the game, the medicine hasn’t.
It’s difficult to say whether taking a few months off would cure Kershaw’s back problem. It has recurred so often now he might well be in need of a procedure to correct a structural issue, in which case he gets the time off, but not for simple R&R.
davidcoonce74
I would argue that in the days before guaranteed contracts and free agency, the money angle was more important. Players had to hang on as much as possible, and a lot of players had to do barn-storming tours or work jobs off-season because they didn’t make very much relative to today. Clay Kershaw could retire today and have lots of money; enough to be set for many lifetimes. Guys from, like the 1920s had to find jobs after their careers were over.
Mendoza Line 215
He is already a lock for the Baseball Hall of Fame.
champion1701
Well that’s good news for the rest of the NL West lol
AGAVE
Planned
twentyforty
The problem is the expectations of him being vintage Kershaw for the next two years when the reality is that he’s proving he’s a two-month pitcher now. Father Time always wins…some at earlier ages than others.
bravesandcrewfan
Is this Kershaw now? Even as someone who doesn’t like big market teams like the dodgers, this hurts. Never want to see a great go down like this. Do you all think he’s still in the HOF if he’s like this for the rest of his career? (mediocre to pretty good when available, but hurt all the time)
Perksy
Yeah he’s a HOF right now because of his first 10 years. Dominant
Kayrall
Near 100% 1st ballot.
thetruth 2
Questionable, not enough WAR. Plenty of very good players aren’t in the HOF with more career WAR than Kershaw.
xabial
Hmmm… WAR? or
Career 1.00 WHIP
3 Cy Young Awards?
6 straight 200K+ seasons (T- Sandy Koufax Dodgers franchise history)
Triple Crown Winner?
First pitcher in history to lead in MLB ERA for four consecutive years (2011-2014)
I could go on and on,,, and not even LA fan, I’m NYY fan, like you. I think it’d be a crime if Kershaw didn’t get in first ballot, if he retired.
davidcoonce74
Koufax is a good comp for the Hall if the unthinkable were true and Kershaw is done or mostly done. Dominant career with short peak. By bWar, Kershaw dwarfs Koufax: 62 WAR to 49. Dizzy Dean would obviously be in this conversation also.
davidcoonce74
Oops, that should read Dominant peak with short career
therealryan
Who would be a current pitcher that would get into the HOF then? The 3 active WAR pitching leaders are Sabathia, Verlander and Kershaw. Kershaw is 30 with 59.5 WAR, Verlander is 35 with 60.5 WAR and Sabathia is 37 with 62.9 WAR. The HOF has shown in the past that it will elect pitchers who were dominant, but had short careers.
davidcoonce74
Verlander and Kershaw will get in, CC will be a borderline guy because he hung on for a few bad years before righting himself.
Just for fun – all-time pitching leaders in WAR: Young, WJohnson, Clemens, Alexander, Nichols, Seaver, Maddux, Grove, Mathewson, Randy, Spahn, Niekro, Blyleven.
Surprised to see Blyleven that high but, man, he was really good and I think people just didn’t notice until it was (almost) too late for him to get into the Hall.
OverUnderDone
Blyleven is the exact opposite of Kershaw, in regards to the Hall.
Good counting numbers because he played above average for a long, long time. Never close to dominant.
Not putting him down, because longevity while being good ain’t easy at that level.
davidcoonce74
That’s most HoF pitchers. Look at the guy right above him.
therealryan
Kershaw has been nowhere near mediocre when available. He’s missed time in each of the past 3 seasons, but since he first got hurt in June of 2016, he has been one of, if not the best pitcher in baseball when on the field. Mediocre is what you would use to describe Teheran or Foltynewicz over that time span.
outinleftfield
Just thinking out loud. Kershaw goes back on the DL, the most likely thing happens and his back never recovers, and he does not opt out. The Dodgers are then on the hook for $70 million over the next two seasons. Even for a team with bottomless pockets, taking $35 million chunk out of payroll for little to no production has to hurt hugely.
Kenleyfornia74
Little or no production out of Kershaw? If hes out there he is elite. Sure you are 100 percent correct if Kershaw misses a whole season. But as long as he is out there he will produce
kahnkobra
insurance
Perksy
Damn what a waste. In my fantasy keeper league Kershaw and Scherzer were both available (contracts had previously expired), and because Kershaw was called out first I spent a lot on him. And dint have enough to outbid for Scherzer.
Michael Chaney
I’m glad someone realizes the most important part about all of this
sidewinder11
Even as a DBacks fan, I hate to see one of the best players in the game deal with consistent injury problems like this, even if he is a Dodger.
wiggysf
Me too. I root for the Giants. Sucks cause I want to see plenty of Bumgarner-Kershaw duals this year and that unfortunately hasn’t happened.
DanielDannyDano
Pretend it’s 1948. Take 2 aspirin and have at ’em
Vedder80
An attitude that led to Koufax retiring at 30. There is too much money involved in the game now for that attitude to ever prevail again. Teams don’t want to risk losing their investment in a player and players don’t want to risk losing out on their future earnings. Pair that with the advancements in medicine and how the long term effects of many ailments are now known, and it is obvious why that attitude will never return to the game. Or perhaps you would prefer guys return to the days where pitchers didn’t work out at all to protect their arms and guys smoked in the dugouts?
davidcoonce74
And it’s not true anyway. In the entirety of baseball history, most great pitchers have gotten hurt or had their careers ended prematurely due to injury. We remember a few guys like that Koufax, Dean, even Feller – something happened to him at age 28 that obviously was an injury. There are way more guys like that than there are the outliers that everybody brings up – the Randy Johnson or Seaver or Ryan or Maddux types. I mean, those guys are Hall of Famers because they are outliers in every sense of the word, including the fact that they didn’t get hurt pitching tons of innings, which a relative few number of pitchers in baseball history have managed to do.
Jockstrapper
Max Scherzer is the game’s greatest pitcher.
champion1701
For now…
gorav114
Except he’s ranked as #2 this season behind Verlander
MetsYankeesRedSox
Don’t forget Old Hoss Radbourn!
jorge78
It would be unwise to opt out….
billnay22
Kershaw was the best. Not anymore. Scherzer blows him away
Mendoza Line 215
The answer to the question,”Who would you want to start game 7 of the World Series” wins the prize.As part of the answer you would have to factor in his availability.
I do have to say that I would take Justin Verlander even thought Max Scherzer is another Hall of Famer.
thegreatcerealfamine
Even if Kershaw was healthy I’d take Verlander, then Max, and then Kluber over Kershaw in a must win Game 7.
OverUnderDone
Or you could take the pitcher with the lowest ERA in World Series history…
Mendoza Line 215
And he would probably win the game with a home run!
Sorry,I forgot about him but I should not have as he easily beat the Pirates in the wild card game in 2014.
Anybody who beats out Whitey Ford has to be a fine pitcher.
robf13
I’ve always heard that back problems never get better for athletes. Once you develop a bad back—for whatever reasons—it’s mostly about pain management. As a pitcher those back problems can lead to arm issues from changing delivery to compensate for the back pain.