TODAY, 5:03pm: Heyman has the layout of Cobb’s contract (Twitter link). He’ll make $14MM in each year from 2018-2020, including $6.5MM deferred without interest this season and $4.5MM deferred without interest in both ’19 and ’20. Cobb will earn $15MM in 2021 and either $4.75MM deferred without interest or $9.75MM deferred without interest, if he throws fewer than 130 innings. If he amasses 180 innings in any of those seasons, he’ll rake in an extra $500K.
9:38am: Cobb has passed the notoriously stringent Orioles’ physical, Heyman tweets, making the deal official. It has also been announced by the organization.
The deal includes a no-trade provision, Heyman adds on Twitter. Cobb picks up full no-trade rights until this coming November and will be able to block deals to ten clubs from that point forward.
There’ll be $20MM in deferred money, Kubatko tweets, though the precise manner of the structure has yet to be reported. When that’s factored in, the present-day value of the deal is $47MM, he adds, though that is a number that’s certainly subject to quite a bit of interpretation. Every multi-year deal, after all, includes future obligations that can be discounted to a lump-sum current dollar amount, and the math is dependent upon what approach is utilized to perform the discount.
YESTERDAY, 9:19PM: Cobb and the Orioles have agreed that he’ll begin the season in the minors for a brief spell in order to get properly stretched out, BaltimoreBaseball.com’s Dan Connolly reports. Cobb had enough service time to refuse a minor league assignment even though he has an option remaining, though obviously both sides felt a short stint on the farm was necessary.
6:53PM: The four-year deal will be worth $57MM, an MLB official tells 670 The Score’s Bruce Levine (Twitter link). There is deferred money in each of the four years, Kubatko tweets.
6:06PM: The Orioles have agreed to sign right-hander Alex Cobb, with FanRag Sports’ Jon Heyman reporting (Twitter link) that the two sides had worked out a four-year deal believed to be worth close to $60MM. Yahoo Sports’ Jeff Passan reported earlier today that there was “a strong belief” that Cobb was close to a contract, with the Orioles considered to be the favorite. The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal (Twitter links) confirmed the link between Cobb and the O’s, and noted that the deal will be official once Cobb passes a physical, while MASNsports.com’s Roch Kubatko was the first to report that the deal was a four-year agreement. Cobb is represented by the Beverly Hills Sports Council.
Cobb was long seen as a natural fit for the Orioles given their severe need for starting pitching, and the team indeed reportedly expressed interest in Cobb quite early in the offseason. While it wasn’t necessarily a surprise to see the two sides end up in an agreement, however, there are some eyebrow-raising elements to this signing given the size and length of the contract.
As Passan noted, Cobb has been holding out for a multi-year deal, as opposed to the one-year contracts that several notable players were forced to settle for in recent weeks due to the unprecedented lack of activity in the free agent market. Lance Lynn, for instance, was Cobb’s closest comparable on the open market and Lynn wound up signing a one-year, $12MM deal with the Twins. Lynn, however, was also in talks with the Orioles and potentially left a longer-term offer on the table in order to sign with Minnesota, believing that the Twins had a better shot at contending in 2018.
Lynn’s rejection could have been what inspired the Orioles to give Cobb four years to solidify its rotation, as it was believed that the club was no longer willing to go beyond a three-year contract for a pitcher in the wake of the disastrous Ubaldo Jimenez signing. Furthermore, the organization has long been very particular about signing veteran pitchers due to injury concerns, so it represents a bold step for owner Peter Angelos to sign off the biggest pitcher contract in franchise history for Cobb, who underwent Tommy John surgery in 2015. (It’s worth noting that the O’s have changed or even abandoned agreements in the past due to concerns about pitcher health, so Cobb’s physical probably represents a bigger final hurdle than usual in most player signings.)
While many free agents left this winter’s market feeling short-changed, Cobb ended up finding his desired four-year guarantee and a very healthy salary. MLB Trade Rumors ranked Cobb 11th on our list of the winter’s top 50 free agents, and projected him for a four-year, $48MM deal. Heyman reports that Cobb rejected an offer of that exact size from the Cubs earlier this winter, and despite the free agent deep freeze, eventually landed a more lucrative deal.
[Updated Orioles depth chart at Roster Resource]
It may be too close to Opening Day for Cobb to be ready for the very beginning of the season, though when he is set, the 30-year-old could very well be the ace of Baltimore’s rotation. The O’s went into the offseason with only Kevin Gausman and Dylan Bundy established in the starting five, and were in talks about a wide variety of free agent and trade possibilities. Executive VP of baseball operations Dan Duquette has developed a pattern of late-winter signings during his time in Baltimore, and he stuck to that strategy again this year to rebuild his rotation, signing Andrew Cashner, re-signing Chris Tillman, and now adding Cobb within the last five weeks.
Cobb provides Baltimore with a solid, AL East-tested arm who looked to be front-of-the-rotation material in 2013-14 before getting his TJ surgery in 2015. The procedure cost Cobb all of that season and limited him to just five starts in 2016, though he rebounded for a 3.66 ERA, 6.4 K/9, and 2.91 K/BB rate over 179 1/3 innings for the Rays last season. The post-surgery version of Cobb is striking out fewer batters than the pre-2015 Cobb, and his already-middling swinging strike rate took another drop to just 6.7% last season, plus his 36.9% hard-hit ball rate was a career high.
These concerns notwithstanding, it should be noted that Cobb pitched better as the season wore on, which is a good sign that he could fully back to his old self. Even the 2017 version of Cobb would represent a big upgrade for the Orioles over fifth starter candidates such as Mike Wright, Nestor Cortes Jr. or Miguel Castro. The O’s now face some roster-shuffling questions with these arms (Wright is out of options and Cortes is a Rule 5 pick), though they could all possibly be used in the bullpen.
Needless to say, this surplus of arms is now an unexpectedly good problem to have for an Orioles team that has positioned itself to stay competitive within a tough AL East. The length of Cobb’s deal also indicates that the O’s aren’t planning for a rebuild after 2018. Manny Machado, Adam Jones, Zach Britton, and Brad Brach will all be free agents next winter (plus Duquette and manager Buck Showalter are entering their last year under contract), though Baltimore now has Cobb, Gausman, Bundy, Trey Mancini, Mychal Givens, and Chris Davis as core pieces through at least the 2020 season, plus prospects like Austin Hays and Chance Sisco.
Since Cobb rejected a qualifying offer from the Rays, the O’s will have to surrender their third-highest pick (51st overall) in the 2018 amateur draft, as they were a revenue-sharing recipient that didn’t exceed the luxury tax threshold. Because Cobb received more than $50MM in guaranteed money, the Rays are now in line to receive a compensation pick after the first round of the draft. This will actually be one of two picks for Tampa Bay in the “sandwich round,” as the Rays are also slated for a compensatory pick for not signing 31st-overall pick Drew Rasmussen in last year’s draft class.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images
joshua.barron1
WHY
dimitriinla
Well done O’s.
dimitriinla
It has been a very nice off-season for this team. They got some good parts and they did not break the bank doing so. They also have a lot of money coming off the books this next off-season. Couple this with what seems to be a really intriguing group of prospects who are near major-league ready and the future is starting to look better and better for this team.
Comment Section Mod
I feel like if the Orioles signed Stephen Drew, traded for Michael Martinez, and still brought back Ubaldo Jimenez, you’d still say they had a great offseason. The only good part they got was Cobb. Everybody else will more than likely be average at best this year.
And that’s not what this team needs. They’re still going to have a long rebuild in front of them once they lose Machado, Britton, and Jones.
marinest21 2
Aside from Hays and Sisco, who else can the Os realistically rely on for the future? Sisco raked in the lower levels, but has tapered off somewhat at AAA. Their farm system is not impressive whatsoever. When they lose Machado next year, full-fledged mediocrity will set in (if it hasn’t already). And it won’t change anytime soon.
mt in baltimore
Haters gonna hate..
mt in baltimore
Haters gonna hate
Wahoo12
Mountcastle
foam party
Do you even Mountcastle, bro?
outinleftfield
Mountcastle, Mullins, Scott, Santander.
If they lose Machado. O’s have $60 million coming off the books after this season so they can resign Machado if he decides to come back.
Stevil
Couldn’t agree more. They’ll lose a pick as well, and though they won’t likely contend, they might bump themselves up just enough to not net a top-5 pick in the 2019 draft.
Hays will probably help before too long, but there just isn’t enough internal help coming up fast enough.
Ironman_4life
I will never ever hate on a guy making 15 million a year to play baseball. Especially a guy who gets a front row seat and onky has to work every 5 days.
Jolp
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mattbennett_22
Sisco had a good year at AAA. Harbor Park is an extreme pitcher’s park.
2017 Home: .249/.308/.376
2017 Away: .293/.382/.453
Also numbers against LHP dragged his overall line down. But it’s not a big deal if a starting catcher has to sit twice a week against LHP. That’s an ideal amount of rest really.
marinest21 2
Ah yes…when confronted with stats, reason, and data, we resort to personal jabs and homophobic connotations. Well-played.
And you call me a troll.
Rob L. 2
In denial’ers gonna be in denial.
czontixhldr
I guess they actually think they can compete for the WC this season. Or at least it’s a “Hail Mary” to try.
I wouldn’t have done it, but hey, they gave Chris Davis a silly contract too.
You can’t fix stupid.
outinleftfield
O’s had the best record in baseball from 2012-2016 and made the playoffs 3 times in 5 years. Guess you are a special kind of stupid.
jdgoat
How does the past effect the future. The 2012 team has no impact on the 2018 one.
Stevil
St. Louis had 461 wins in that period, Washington, 458, and Baltimore, 444. Best in the AL, but not MLB.
Still, they were obviously good and were doing something right. I just question how wise this move was considering the commitments they currently have with Trumbo and Davis and the needs they’ll have moving forward.
Rather than trying to contend this year, which I think is a long shot, rebuilding would have made more sense, in my opinion. I suppose they might be able to move a few players if they’re well out of reach by the break, but that could backfire.
AC_Slater123 2
Yeah rebuild by getting a low return for Manny this winter and refusing to sign any decent starting pitching. Nice plan. The highest return they could get for any of their pending free agents will come at this years deadline from teams desperate to make a run at the title. If the O’s couldn’t get anything good for their talent over the winter, then keeping them and bolstering their rotation is the only move to make. Just saying rebuild when it obviously made no sense after seeing the trade market this offseason, is just lazy. This is a good move, and so was Cashner. Now with Manny and the rest of our offense in tact, this team could compete. If they don’t then teams are always willing to part with more for rentals at the deadline than in the offseason.
Stevil
You don’t know what the offers for Manny were and there’s always the risk of injury or under-performance which could blow any chance at selling at the deadline.
If Cobb looked like the missing piece for them to really I have a shot, I wouldn’t mind this move. But he doesn’t. They need a lot more than just Cobb. They need Cashner to repress runs in a hitter-friendly park, they need Rasmus, Davis, Tillman, and Trumbo to rebound, and they need a handful of other teams that look better than them to struggle.
Rebuilding doesn’t necessarily mean selling off what you can, either. It also means not spending and focusing on the draft. They’ll lose a pick for this and they could end up with a worse pick in 2019 while still missing the playoffs this season.
wrigleywannabe
I am guessing, that was targeted st the fixing stupud and Davis part of the remark
wrigleywannabe
Cobb is not decent?
wrigleywannabe
or theyvget Cobb now and make more moves after the Machsdo money comes off assuming he leaves
jbaker3170
Nice try, but you’re WRONG. Thanks for playing.
mehs
The Trumbo contract is noise. It is covered by the Ubaldo contract being off the books.
czontixhldr
OILF, we know you’re a player advocate, you’ve made that clear, and you don’t care if bad contracts hurt a team’s ability to compete in the future, and thus, provide a bad product for fans. We get it. Yes, you’ve made that perfectly clear.
I happen to think signing a guy to a 4-year contract who has never pitched more than 180 innings in a season is pretty dumb, especially a guy coming off of major arm surgery. And I referenced the Davis contract, because right now, paying a one-dimensional guy 23MM/yr through his age 36 season – a guy who put up -0.1 rWAR and 0.2 fWAR last season looks pretty stupid. I thought it was a stupid contract at the time they gave it to him, just like I thought the Howard contract was stupid at the time.
But to your point – what does what the O’s have done in the past (2012-2016) have to do with judging these contracts, especially since that was a team that was largely built by previous management?
But that’s alright. If insulting me is the best response you can come up with… well, OK, then.
You’ve made it clear that you don’t care whether teams can’t compete because of dead-money contracts as long as the players get paid.
hojostache
That doesn’t fix the atrocious contract they gave Chris Davis….who had nearly identical numbers as Lucas Duda when he signed his new contract. Davis is said to be a good guy and he has a lot of power, but that contract was a severe overpay before the ink dried.
I want them to be good, but Angelo seems to Zig whenever he needs to Zag. I was a regular at Camden yards for the better part of a decade (driving to NYC for the Mets was too $$$), so I still root for them after sitting through many lean years in the 90s and early 00s….
outinleftfield
If you don’t know then it can’t be explained to you.
czontixhldr
Wow, nice comeback! Impressive.
mt in baltimore
Haters gotta hate…what a douche you are.
Ironman_4life
I’ll explain to you how baseball works. Teams try to address needs and the Orioles really need a couple starters that can eat some innings so they went out and got the best one available. I don’t know you so I don’t know if you’re a general manager or not but I can tell you that I’m not so I can’t say if this move is going to work out but we shall see
marinest21 2
There are plenty of other pitchers who won’t cost $15 million/season and can “eat innings.” This is a massive overpay and unfortunately a predictable move by a team with no direction. I wouldn’t be surprised if the O’s outbid themselves with Cobb.
whatdoiget000
yeah, it’s terrible for the team to replacing Miley (5.61), Jimenez (6.81), Hellickson (6.97) with Cobb and Cashner. Not to mention Hunter Harvey knocking at the door and a cadre of young outfielders ready to take over.
marinest21 2
Cashner is one of the most overrated pitchers in the entire game. He will get absolutely demolished in the AL East.
Who is this “cadre of young outfielders” you speak of? Austin Hays and….
The O’s have a weak farm system.
Slipknot37
It’s not bad replacing those guys with Cobb and cashner. They just didn’t need to spend that much on a guy with poor durability.
outinleftfield
Who? Platitudes are great. Specifics are better. Who that is on the market now is better?
outinleftfield
Mullins, Santander, and if you want to look a few years down the line you have Ademar Rifaela who has insane power.
jbigz12
Austin hays, Mancini already plays left and most orioles fans seem to believe either Cedric Mullins or Dj Stewart will be a starting outfielder. Maybe Santander. I’m not sold on those guys but the orioles farm system isn’t particularly weak. It’s not 30 deep like many of these systems but it has talent. We’re a middle of the pack system despite the popular sentiment that our farm is trash around here. It’s not all doom and gloom in Baltimore.
tonypro7
The O’s farm system is rated in the top half of the league by Baseball America. What are your sources for a “weak” farm system?
marinest21 2
You’re not a middle of the pack system.
Milb: 24/30 milb.com/milb/news/farm-system-rankings-overall-30…
BR 23/30. milb.com/milb/news/farm-system-rankings-overall-30…
Keith Law: 25/30.
Plus, they don’t make any effort to sign Int’l FAs. It’s a weak system.
marinest21 2
It’s not necessarily who is better than Cobb from a performance standpoint…you also need to consider who is better than Cobb at 4/67 million?
A couple of names come to mind:
– Henderson Alvarez
– Kyle Kendrick
– John Lackey
The first and third will probably return similar value as Cashner and Cobb for a fraction of the price. Granted there are injury-risks here, but Cash is as fragile as they come. I would rather see the O’s do one year prove it deals (esp. with the amount of money coming off the books next year) than to see them give so much money to Cobb.
jdgoat
Cobb’s vastly superior to Alvarez and Lackey
bruinsfan94 2
What??? Alvarez couldn’t even find a minor league deal. That is a joke. Lackey is 39, Alvarez is in Mexico and KK is KK.
marinest21 2
That’s misleading. Alvarez may have signed elsewhere, but not saying he could find a MiLB deal is not necessarily true. He may have had offers, but maybe none to his liking. In fact, this own site was surprised he couldn’t get a big league ST invite. There’s a difference.
Lackey is 39. Ok, so? The guy can still eat innings (198, 218, 188, 170) over the last four years. That was the main point of this thread.
KK is KK. Good argument. What’s the harm on signing him to a MiLB deal with a ST invite and an opt out post June 1 if he isn’t on the MLB roster? All in an effort to “Eat innings.” It’s certainly low risk and money better spent than Alex Cobb in that bandbox facing those lineups for the next four years.
mt in baltimore
Mancini, Mullins, Hays, Santander, +Rasmus…
Give the negativity a rest dear man..
jbigz12
Jesus Christ almighty. Kyle Kendrick? gtfo
whatdoiget000
Mancini, Hays, Mountcastle, Stewart, Mullins, Santander…
wrigleywannabe
and those guys wouldn’t be as good and you would whine about that.
wrigleywannabe
and then whete do you go after Lackey?
tonypro7
So you use Keith Law, BR and MiLB. All writers…. not Baseball America, which is based on actual scouting. These are the same writers that project the O’s with 70 wins per years but are WAY OFF every year. Nice job.
marinest21 2
Yes, I used sources that actually get paid to write about baseball analysis and performance. Keith Law was an actual scout for the Blue Jays, so I’m not sure where you are going with that…
Please tell me where Baseball America has the Orioles this year. I’ll wait.
The whole point of this thread was that it is a weak system…weaker than the fans make it out to be. That may be blunt and not something what you want to hear but it’s the truth.
st11cks
Cobb’s innings have increased every season, except 2016 due to injury (TJ). After the injury, he pitched the most innings in his career. There isn’t much pointing to durability concerns there. Tommy John isn’t what it used to be.
st11cks
He’s faced “those lineups” his entire career, with above average success. And now, swap facing the Orioles offense with the Rays.
micg
Henderson is so bad he could not get a minimum wage contract from ANY MLB team and will play in Mexico this year!
Kendrick has a life time 4.66 ERA pitching most of his 10 seasons in the NL Least and has pitched a total of 8.1 innings in the last 2 seasons!
Lackey is 39 years old and led the league in HRs allowed last season! He averaged 1.9 HRs per 9 innings last season and 2.8 BB per 9 innings for which he was payed $16 Mil! How do you think those numbers would play in Camden Yard?
micg
Your fat sister could soft toss the ball up there every 5 days and “eat innings!”
You are the one asserting lamely that Cobb was signed as an “Innings eater!” He could be a #3 or better with any other AL East team, and actually has been for the bulk of his time in Tampa Bay!
If that is the best you can come up with you got NOTHING!
outinleftfield
Keith Law is a joke. BA and BP, the two most respected sources for scouting prospects, both had the O’s in the top 15. Fangraphs has not released organizational rankings yet, but I would favor the knowledge of Longenhagen and McDaniel over Law. Not sure Sam Dyskstra is the guy I would look to for rankings.
outinleftfield
It’s a 4/57 deal with over 1/3 deferred.
Alvarez signed in the Mexican Leagues. He is throwing 84-85 MPH.
Kendrick has a 5.23 ERA over the past 4 seasons he has pitched and was so bad that the Red Sox, who were desperately looking for pitching, outrighted him to AAA and he passed through waivers without even a hint of interest.
You just showed your complete lack of knowledge of the game.
outinleftfield
Cashner – 28, 27 (plus one relief appearance), and 31 starts the [ast 3 years. Not exactly fragile.
outinleftfield
Law was fired by the Blue Jays. He has spent 2 days in Arizona this spring, by his own admission, and still wrote multiple articles about the prospects there. Law is a joke.
tonypro7
Baseball America had the O’s at 14 as of February. You can stop waiting. Again…. you keep following the writers who predict 70 wins for the Os every year. I’ll follow actual results.
chesteraarthur
if they needed someone to eat innings, cobb was a poor choice.
Solaris601
Even though they landed Cobb, and he’s now arguably the best SP on the staff, they need to sign Scott Feldman who is an actually proven innings eater.
jbigz12
Feldman isn’t actually a bad idea. If he’ll sign a minor league deal we could certainly use a 6th starter.
Jean Matrac
I don’t think Alex Cobb is a guy you would count on to eat innings.
mstrchef13
Do you really have to ask?
MLBTRS
WHY? Because they feel some sense of responsibility to field at least a semblance of a MLB team
tonypro7
Are you Nancy Kerrigan?
EutawDinger
Wow, that really speaks to the financial commitment players must want to pitch in Camden Yards.
Also, inb4 “everything the Orioles do is wrong” and “LOL THE PHYSICAL” jokes.
realgone2
Yeah those jokes have worn out their welcome a long time ago.
realgone2
Good.
Jerry Handy
At last try to win now get rid of Davis
czontixhldr
Good luck with that. They’re almost in a Ryan Howard situation there – they’d have to eat almost all of the contract.
marinest21 2
Who is going to pay $115 million over the next 5 years to a guy who looks like he can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat?
AJ Preller
I would, but only if he is also a defensive liability
HalosHeavenJJ
How does this have down votes?
That’s funny.
BlueJayFan1515
Everytime I have a rough day I listen to that rant, it cheers me up quickly.
baseball365
The most reluctant team in the MLB hands out 2nd longest pitching contract of the offseason. Oh the irony
dimitriinla
They are not at all the most reluctant team in baseball. The front office has largely been very smart and disciplined (the Davis and Trumbo contracts are exceptions) and this is yet another smart move by a very competent front office. It’s time for people to grow up and stop with the clichéd arguments about their stingy owner (he has spent a lot of money) and their front office (which is actually produced a predominately winning team over the last six years, as well as a team that many people really enjoy playing for, all with greater budgetary concerns and constraints than their two rich division rivals). They also have done an outstanding job developing major league talent.
marinest21 2
A disciplined front office would have come to grips with reality and traded Machado when his value was the highest (which was in the 2016-17 offseason). The longer he spends in an Os uniform the more his value decreases.
jdgoat
I’d add Jimenez and Gallardo to that list as well.
But who have they really developed lately anyways into above average performers? They did a great job with Schoop and Mancini is looking good, but they really haven’t done much else. Machado was kind of fail proof, and Givens is a reliever. It really hurts them how they haven’t been able to develop starting pitchers for almost a decade now. Even Britton, probably their best player, failed to get developed in the rotation.
2012orioles
The only good major signing/extension they’ve made the past 15 years was Adam jones. Signed: Chris Davis, Trumbo, O’Day, Ubaldo, Hardy. Let walk/performing well on other teams: arrieta, strop, parra, Cruz, markakis, Parker bridwell, Miguel Gonzalez, koji, Andrew Miller, mark Reynolds. Soon to be Machado and schoop…. Too many players perform well not on the Orioles. I’m probably forgetting players. They can’t develop a pitcher at all. Too many early round pitchers not performing either (matusz, bundy and gausman as well haven’t lived up to their hype, and hunter Harvey has been injured). It is frustrating every offseason for Orioles fans, including myself.
marinest21 2
Great point. Please tell me Os: how’d that decision not to have Arrieta throw his cutter work out for you?
mgrap84
Not to mention he was traded
jbigz12
You added a lot of good moves in there that you claimed were bad. Parra was terrible in Baltimore and has been average at best if you consider the Coors Field inflation. Hardy was a solid SS for a long time for us and we had no In house replacement. Well, we did but he wasn’t playing SS then. We dodged a bullet on parra (was never going to happen anyway), Markakis, Reynolds, and Chen. We traded uehara for Davis and strop so he shouldn’t even be mentioned as anything other than a win. There’s been plenty of misfires a long the way but please don’t mention some of that in there with the real mistakes.
2012orioles
You’re right. I can’t complain about what hardy did for the Os. Not bad at all to let markakis and Wieters walk (though I miss them as players). In the end though it’s frustrating to have so many bad moves and to see other players playing better elsewhere
camdenyards46
-Parra was terrible here, made no sense to resign him.
-Markakis has done alright with Atlanta, but he got a four year deal best not given.
-The Davis signing was overpriced and kind of goofy.
-I am totally fine with the Trumbo contract because he was coming off of a great year and deserved the contract. He also turned into a fan favorite and it made sense to bring him back.
-O Day was a bit pricy.
-It would be cool if we got Cruz back, but he got a big deal from Seattle and his production has been declining.
-Made no sense to let Miguel Gonzalez leave when we needed rotation help.
-Ubaldo signing was just plain awful.
-Bridwell had been in our system for a while and hadn’t panned out yet, so they cleared a 40 man spot. He has been successful, but it is hard to blame them for that. He likely would not have been successful with our pitching development.
-Hardy was a good signing at the time, as he was a pretty good shortstop. If they didn’t resign him, the Yankees probably would have scooped him up, as that was th
camdenyards46
the last year of Jeters career. The Orioles intelligently extended Hardy in September to prevent this. The Yankees then acquired Didi Gregorius, which has worked out for them. Hardy had injury problems that last two years, but still a good extension.
-We got Andrew Miller knowing he would be a rental. He helped us win the division and reach the ALCS. Although we have had rotation issues, E Rod has had injury concerns.
– The Orioles let Wei-Yen Chen walk, which was incredibly smart. His contract is currently a burden on the payroll shaving Marlins.
The Orioles have made bad moves, but also made good ones too, just as any team. The recent decisions have not been as bad as people make them out to be. However, as a die hard Orioles fan, my largest regret is not extending Machado. They should have done it as soon as he came back from the second knee surgery and showed he can play. Each offseason, the two sides had “discussions” but nothing came of it and now Machado is heading out to free agency. Now it seems as if they have run into the same situation with my favorite player, Schoop. Also, I do wish Angelos would allow us to be more active in the international market. The Orioles have made good pickups for very low costs, a la Trumbo. It is about even in good/bad moves the last 5 years(you say fifteen but then only list recent moves)
brewscrew
How do you figure Cruz has been declining? He’s getting older, sure, but he’s been one of the most consistent players in baseball over the past 4 seasons.
E munchy
If you think Cruz has fallen off even a little bit you are crazy. Consider what ballparks he plays in being in the West and look again.
mehs
Cruz WAR last 3 years: 5.1, 4.7, 4.1 so yes declining but still well worth his contract. Seattle isn’t the drag on batters it used to be since they moved the fences in for 2013.
camdenyards46
Yes he is still all star caliber, but he is declining with getting older. I did say it would be cool if we got him back.
brooksnumber5is1
The Parra deal was awful because of the decision to trade Zach Davies to try to get the second wild card. We always need pitchers and trading a young one for a lousy fourth outfielder free agent was a big mistake. And 2012orioles noted many more mistakes than good moves.
OsStrohsNattyBohs
The Orioles have done an outstanding job at developing major league talent? Is that a joke? They have only drafted a handful of guys who have panned out to anything. Need I remind you of Adam Loewen, Matt Hobgood, Brian Matusz, Jake Arrieta and the jury is still out on Sedlock and Hall. They are average at developing position players but cannot develop a major league arm to save their lives. Arrieta leaves and all the sudden he is a Cy Young winning pitcher. Kevin Gausman should be one of the top pitchers in baseball with his stuff and won over 10 games for the first time last year. They need to fire their entire development staff and get someone in there who knows how to develop young arms.
22222pete
Angelos marches to his own drummer. He not going along with collusion teams and asking Manfreds permission
wrigleywannabe
there is no collusion. also, he waited this long to sign a guy, so, yeah, he would be in on it
brewers214
WOW
Phoenixdownyjr
Not a troll question but why sign Cobb? Orioles are doing nada this year but treading water hoping to keep Manny Mo. Unless Cobb is just taking what he can get at this point. Someone fill me in pls
Nate Dowdy
He completes the rotation.. Also puts Tillman at the no. 5 starting slot where he belongs. They can at least compete with the Red Sox now for that second spot if everyone stays healthy.
bastros88
that won’t happen, they signed a bunch of innings eaters to fill out the rotation, but it takes more than just that to compete.
Stevil
Baseball Prospectus had them pegged for 70-92 before this signing; Fangraphs has them pegged for 77-85.
BP has the Red Sox pegged for 89-73; Fangraphs 93-69.
Now, the Red Sox have had their share of bad luck. They might not have Wright, Pomeranz, Rodriguez, or Pedroia to start the season. But a lot would have to go right for Baltimore to really threaten for a Wild Card. It’s not just the Red Sox, either. The Blue Jays, Mariners, Twins, and Angels are in the conversation.
jaysfan1994
Yeah but the Orioles are always projected to do bad though and then they have miracle seasons where they win 30 something games by one run because their bullpen is super sharp.
go_jays_go
I’d wager that the O’s are pretty decent at developing relief pitchers (e.g. Darren O’Day, Zach Britton, Jim Johnson, BJ Ryan, Mychel Givens, etc.)
But you give them far too much credit. The O’s are not a playoff team.
Stevil
I’m not a huge fan of projections myself, but banking on rebounds from Ramus, Davis, Trumbo, and Tillman seems like a lot to ask. Not hard to picture Cashner getting lit up, either.
Tiger_diesel92
O’day wasn’t developed by them , he was a ranger farm hand
Stevil
*Rasmus
bigdaddyt
I Like how you have to go back to bj Ryan to give an example of making good relief pitchers. That’s like the mariners saying they made Brendan Morrow the pitcher he is today
Jean Matrac
You mean they’re always projected to be bad, but instead they turn out to be mediocre.
RunDMC
Good for him — how did he get that deal with only days until the season???
halos and quacks
Orioles still suck and god damn what a terrible overpay. This has mike leake written all over it. And that’s not to take away from Cobb. His stuff just won’t play for the next 4 years, especially in Camden. That’s just my opinion tho
czontixhldr
Well, if it’s any comfort you’re not alone in that opinion.
Nate Dowdy
Would you rather have had Lynn? I don’t think he’s worse than Lynn. They want to give themselves a chance to profit off of the Schoop/Machado era. This gives them a chance. I think it was worth the shot.
halos and quacks
I would take Lynn and his contract over Cobb and his contract any day. While I do think neither pitcher helps the O’s be that competitive. The O’s are a team with bad upper management, with no direction and a stubborn owner who I see doing bad business (won’t trade machado to a team if theres a possibility he ends up on the Yankees) I mean what a joke. The rotation looks better than it did a month ago, the offense will be fine, they just can’t compete and should have torn it down when they had the chance. Like the royals last year, they missed a chance to speed up the inevitable rebuild by a couple years
chesteraarthur
Lynn @ 1/12 or cobb @ 4/60? Yeah, I’d probably rather have lynn.
tonypro7
Cobb is a proven AL East pitcher. Lynn comes from a career in the NL. That transition almost never works. I’ll take Cobb.
Jean Matrac
That’s all true in a vacuum. If you’re a contender you take Cobb over Lynn, but the O’s aren’t a contender, and Cobb doesn’t make them one.
Baseball_dude
Way to much money for this guy, I was relieved when earlier reports said that the “3 years/50” was wrong, but now it’s 4 years at $60? I’m glad that the Os are doing something about their pitching, but Cobb (under 500 pitcher) isn’t worth 60 million bucks
realgone2
under 500?
Baseball_dude
Under 500 meaning he haves more losses then wins, but I actually made a mistake, he actually haves more wins then losses (not many tho)
jbigz12
He’s 48-35. That’s a completely meaningless way in determining his ability but that’s also a 58% WP which is comfortably higher than 50%.
Stevil
Wins and losses mean nothing. He doesn’t field the balls and isn’t responsible for creating runs.
Baseball_dude
Your right he isn’t responsible for any of those things, but he is responsible for velocity, location, control, durability, pitching in the clutch, and going deep into games. I’m not saying that he’s a bad pitcher, but in my opinion he’s just an average pitcher that really wasn’t worth 4/57 but time will tell how his contract holds up. Hopefully it was a good move for the Os (can’t be any worse then last years rotation)
AC_Slater123 2
Under .500 pitcher? He’s 48-35 with a 3.50 ERA in 115 starts over last 6 seasons with TB
Baseball_dude
I replied to another person hours ago about that mistake I made. I thought he was an under 500 guy for some reason, but yes I know that he’s actually over 500
RedRooster
No one will take you seriously on here if you use wins and losses to guage how good a pitcher is.
Baseball_dude
Well I better get my act together if I want everybody on this form to take me serious
lovableschmuck
But will they contend in their division???
Comment Section Mod
Not a chance
bastros88
no
pinballwizard1969
Wow, the market for Cobb went from almost non existent to 4 yrs/$60MM+/-. Have to wonder if the O’s just panicked and over payed for him. Guaranteed 4 yrs with his injury history and xFIP 4.24 .
outinleftfield
He was offered a 3 year deal from the Cubs and certainly, other teams were in on him too. He wanted 4 years and he got it.
stymeedone
The Cubs offer came early in the off season, before they signed Chatwood. As for currently, I havent heard one report that any other team was in the bidding.
echoes
Well hey if you didn’t hear it, it must have not happened then.
jbigz12
Cobb was offered after chatwood. Or at least it was still on the table after chatwood signed.
partyatnapolis
but will he pass the physical?
dewssox79
well played
roenickstein
Ha! We’ve got our first “will he pass the physical?” joke. I guess the organization deserves the jokes. But they’ve been right almost every time.
srechter
Heavily against the grain decision by Baltimore. The rare team trying to win despite slim chances at a playoff spot. Not sure what to make of it. Stupid move denying the inevitable? Or a somewhat commendable sacrifice to at least remain interesting to the people of Baltimore? If it doesn’t severely affect the financial flexibility of the team moving forward, it’s not the absolute worst idea I suppose.
Nate Dowdy
It would have been nice to have found another Cahsner type deal, but I think that was a steal. If you combine the Cashner and Cobb deals, it is 6 years 76 million. That’s pretty good control for two above average pitchers. I would not be shocked if Cashner is the better of the two, but Cobb still brings in great Stability.
Their biggest question marks in the rotation now will be turned to Tillman and Gausman.
The_Porcupine
Cashner is not an above average pitching. Look at his stats since he got into the league. He’s either been hurt or just plain bad. Last year was an anomaly.
mehs
A career ERA+ of 102 says he has been every so slightly above average.
steelerbravenation
Damn he got that ???? What was he holding out for I hope he wasn’t trying to get more than that
DolphLundgren
Very nice. A rotation of Cobb, Gausman, Bundy, Cashner, and Tillman can at least compete in the AL East. Much improved over last year.
marinest21 2
Compete for what? Most home runs given up to the Yankees? The O’s will be lucky to sniff third base barring an implosion by the Jays.
jbigz12
2 teams still win the Wild card, right?
marinest21 2
Let’s see….between the Twins, Angels, Jays, Mariners, and O’s I’ll pick the O’s last.
bastros88
of the 12 teams that have a chance to compete for the wild card spot, the Orioles rank towards the bottom.
jbigz12
Yeah, that’s why they play the games. None of those teams are great. We’ll see in 162 games.
indiansfan44
Right but they still have to play the Yankees and Red Sox like 19 times each and both of them should be playoff teams. It won’t be easy to be in 3rd place and still make the wild card.
Plus they can contend this year but Brach, Britton, Jones and Machado are free agents after the year. Could probably get good returns on most of them at the deadline depending on health with Britton and production from the others. Signing Cobb and going for the second wild card takes that off the table unless they get off to a horrible start. It looks good at first but it could very well end up they are paying a guy 15M a year during a rebuild.
jbigz12
We don’t have much on the books long term besides Davis. We have a massive amount of salary off the books this year and even less after 2019. This deal won’t be prohibitive. Machado was never coming back anyway. We’ll need innings and Cobb could pan out to be worth that kind of deal very easily. We paid a premium for him but it’s not the worst move in the world.
st11cks
The Yankees and Red Sox are practically always favored. Should the other 3 teams never try to compete?
O’s won’t go full-out rebuild mode if they don’t compete this year. Sure, they may trade away some pending FA’s but those expiring contracts leave money to extend Schoop and replace with new FA’s, while allowing some prospects to emerge.
A fair 4 year contract for a pitcher proven successful in the AL East isn’t going to go to waste. Even if they don’t compete this year and it takes them a season to get back on track, that allows 2 more years of Cobb.
brucewayne
The Blue Jays
brucewayne
and Mariners are not gonna compete for a wild card! Maybe 4th place in each of their own divisions respectively .
tonypro7
Bastros88 you are an idiot. You know that right?
whatdoiget000
don’t worry, the yankees will be right there with the orioles for most days on the DL for a right fielder
Solaris601
Even if this starting staff stays totally healthy all year and every pitcher realizes their potential, the O’s still have no rotational depth. If and when even one of these guys craps out or suffers an injury, the pool of options is mud puddle shallow. Do any of us truly believe any other team in the division would feel confident with Baltimore’s starting rotation on their team?
jbigz12
The jays aren’t any deeper. If one of their guys like say Aaron Sanchez goes out with something like blister issues, what do they do? Joe Biagini. He’s about as good as Nestor Cortes or Miguel Castro in the rotation. Neither team has SP depth which is a common theme across WC contenders. Angels aren’t particularly deep, neither are the Mariners. Twins got deeper with Lynn but they aren’t overflowing with depth starters. Why the orioles didn’t look at Brett Anderson or Trevor Cahill has escaped me all offseason. Particularly because they would both be cheap which you would imagine fits DD’s model.
marinest21 2
Such a typical Orioles move. This organization has no direction and makes boneheaded after boneheaded decision. It’s too bad for Buck and some of the guys who’ve been there for a while (i.e. Adam Jones).
Nate Dowdy
Hate to say it, but Adam Jones is not an all star level talent. They have 5 players in their own lineup that will probably have better hitting numbers this season. He’s a nice leader for the team, but certain players on their team don’t get enough credit and some guys like Jones get too much credit.
marinest21 2
Don’t necessarily disagree, but he’s been a consistent performer for most of the last decade and took a team friendly contract to stay. By all accounts he’s a good guy and I can’t imagine he’s enjoyed watching the Yankees/Red Sox trounce them most every year. Guys like that – who clearly play for more than just the money – deserve better.
Hoonigan78
Sweet here comes a 82-80 season
jbigz12
When people say “Free agent starting pitchers don’t want to sign with Baltimore” look no further than this deal for evidence. Why we didn’t give him this deal 3 months ago is beyond me. I guess angelos needed to see how bad Mike Wright and Miguel Castro were with his own two eyes all spring before opening up the checkbook. Honestly I think he would’ve signed this one when he rejected the cubs offer though. If it’s a straight 4/60 with no incentives to get there. Idk the details yet. I’m not mad because we spent money and got a quality pitcher but it’s a heavy deal.
mgrap84
The incentives is crabcakes… Seriously i know that sounds funny but there is a restaurant here that offers free crabcakes for life in the contracts. They are absolutely amazing too. Its helped the Ravens and Orioles bring in people. Especially the Ravens. And when the WWE comes to town, they ALL go there. Even Vince McMahon has been there
jbigz12
Yeah, jimmys seafood. I’ve been. They offered Davis crabcakes though, he should be paying for every last one of them.
outinleftfield
After last season he should be paying for all of us.
mgrap84
Haha i agree. But it is nice we have a place like that helping lol.
jorge78
Hope this is not Ubaldo redux.
Nate Dowdy
The good news is he does not throw many meatball fastballs. But he does throw a lot of high movement off speeds like Jimenez. While his stuff might not be quite as nasty, he does have a lot more control than Jiminez.
Berischa
Tired of so many negative comments about the Orioles, not matter what they do, always complain, if they don’t sign anybody, they are wrong, if they do, they are also wrong, good thing? They always show these negative people are the wrong ones, before last year, the Orioles had the best record in the American League for 5 years amd if is not for the terrible streak at the end of last year, it would have been 6..
dorfmac
That’s because the Orioles continually make dumb decisions or non-decisions. Davis, Trumbo, Machado, Britton – all poor management in the past few offseasons.
I was at the first few playoff games that we had made in almost two decades. It was awesome. But that success was sustained by luck and Buck, not quality roster management.
mgrap84
It gets on my nerves too. Its either never good enough or they make stupid moves. I for one like the move and until its official, have faith in my team. Even if they are out of it, i still support them. I know the Yankees are the Beast of the East but who cares. They will all be fun to watch.
Baseball_dude
You know what, I’m complaining about this move, but at the same time I should just shut up. Not that Cobb is worth anywhere near 60 million, but I’m glad to see the orioles do something vs nothing, glad to see them spend money vs being cheap and signing guys we never heard of to a minor league deal for 1 year. Between Cobb, Cashner, and hopefully a healthy Tillman, we look a lot better this year vs last (and we weren’t terribly far off last year)
echoes
Agree. This team was in the hunt until late in the season last year, and in many ways this team should be better than last year’s. The biggest question mark is going to be how the bullpen performs without Britton and what he looks like when he gets back.
card collector18
Atleast they’re trying to compete unlike his old team
stollcm
I guess Lynn took less money to try to win something? Geez
outinleftfield
Lynn panicked and he paid for it.
GONEcarlo
Wow good for Cobb waiting out the market
dewssox79
this deal does not get the Os anywhere near a playoff spot
deweybelongsinthehall
Makes them competitive if their starting five stays healthy. Buck always has them playing better together than the sum of their parts. They certainly can fight for the second wild card with MN and a few others. None of the likely teams in the mix have deep staffs. Thus the comment on staying healthy.
Solaris601
Someone please set the over/under for games started for Cobb year-by-year for the next 4 seasons. Here’s what I’ll throw out: 30-26-14-20.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Trying to figure out if this is impressive work by Cobb’s agent or if the O’s exist in a time warp where they are unaware the market has changed…
BoldyMinnesota
The orioles need to overpay to get guys. No player really wants to go to the launching pads in the ALE and have a microscopic chance to make the playoffs like Baltimore has.
Nate Dowdy
Darvish and Arrieta signed 100+ mil deals. This really isn’t as bad as a gamble as it may look. Cobb is a fairly stable pitcher. I know we were saying that sbout Gallardo, but I don’t think he has shown the decline Gallardo showed…
Ironman_4life
Why do my comments get deleted when there’s nothing negative in them
EutawDinger
I like how every post that insinuates the Orioles could have even a modicum of success is downvoted into oblivion. It seems like the only way people receive upvotes on this site is by totally trashing the team who made the move the article is mentioning. Sad.
chesteraarthur
Perhaps you should go check out the Altuve posts and try again.
EutawDinger
Then I guess the only other option is there’s a weird, disturbing, obsessive amount of vitriol towards the Orioles. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It’s not even like people are saying the Orioles can or will win the East. Posts saying nothing but ‘they can be competitive for the wild card’ are met with downvotes galore and endless mocking just because someone dares to be optimistic about their team. I mean, I couldn’t care less about getting downvoted. I just find it bizarre how worked up people get.
chesteraarthur
There is being optimistic and their is being a homer.
Perhaps the people downvoting the comments feel that those poster’s evaluation of the O’s is unrealistic and homer-y.
marinest21 2
I’ll respond because I (admittedly) am one of the biggest Os bashers on here.
My issues are a couple. First is that despite a fantastic manager and an awesome fanbase (the 2014 postseason was incredible), Angelos and Duquette seem to have no vision, no plan, and hedge their bets purely on emotion, spontaneity, and…well, that’s about it.
Additionally, the Os act like they are smarter than everyone else and implement organizational philosophies that truly are unique to them when the empirical data actually weakens that position. Case-in-point: the decision not to have any of their pitchers throw cutters. Meanwhile, Mariano Rivera owned them and everyone else for 20 years and Jake Arrieta was one of the most dominant pitchers in the NL from 2014-2016.
echoes
Dude, the pitching coach who didn’t allow the cutter was like 5 years and 3 pitching coaches ago, and pretty much everyone inside and outside the organization has ridiculed it ever since. If you’re going to be a professional Orioles basher, you should probably find something new.
marinest21 2
Ok.
They don’t invest at all in the international free agent market. This is especially detrimental when they are a smaller market club and play in the same division with teams like the Yankees and Red Sox, who buy themselves a new team every offseason.
With the above said, they don’t: (1) have a particularly strong farm system; (2) draft particularly well, (3) spend money internationally (look at the Cubs and Padres for evidence on how this is beneficial; and (4) have one less early round pick because they paid Alex Cobb well above market value just to sign someone. Am I missing something?
echoes
Much better. You’re really good at this whole Orioles bashing thing and seem to put a lot of time into it, so I hate to see you sully yourself with false statements. Just looking out for ya bud 🙂
mlb1225
Why don’t they just rebuild? They’re in such a tough division, and have no farm system. Right now is the time to capitalize on guys like Schoop, Brach, and Givens. They can still move Machado, but they’re not gonna get as much for him if they trade at the deadline.
jbigz12
“Orioles have no farm system” *checks any top 100 list and finds 3 guys sitting up there.* orioles farm system is middle of the pack despite the lack of IFA spending.
mlb1225
Austin Hays, Ryan Mountcastle, and Chance Sisco are top prospects, but maybe I should have phrased it “shallow farm system”. They need younger pitching. Other than Bundy, and Gausman, nobody in their projected rotation is younger than 30. Machado, and Jones are in his last year of their contracts. They won’t be able to resign either.
jbigz12
Hunter Harvey will be up there. It’s not a deep system by any means but we had a lot of prospects improve their outlook last season. I’m not saying we couldn’t use some more but we’ve had some success in the past with unheralded guys who have impacted our roster. Mancini, Schoop, Givens were never close to top prospects and have been huge contributors. It’s anyones guess if we have any others in the same mold but we’ve had success in the recent past.
Nate Dowdy
MLB1225, I don’t think Jones is star quality anymore. Wouldn’t mind losing him to be honest.
mlb1225
Still a solid producer. .285/.322/.466 slash line. 26 homers, 73 RBI’s.
geejohnny
What?? They wait this long then they obviously overpay? Usually the price goes down this time of year. Wonder who was their competition….if any? I see a flip at the deadline to a desperate contender.
hoof hearted
That’s called desperation.
That rotation shouldn’t scare anyone!
Priggs89
Failed physical in 3… 2…
hoof hearted
Ya, I’m sure that will pop up. History of that happening w/ the O’s
mgrap84
Guess you cant say 1 now since he passed
HeartHustleWinner
About time this was reported…
rivera42
Are the Orioles oblivious as to what transpired this off-season? 4/60? Seriously?
The_Porcupine
I miss the days when fans didn’t scrutinze payroll and we’re actually happy that their team is trying to compete. This whole “tear it down to nothing and rebuild” fad is stupid. Just as many teams have screwed that up as have succeeded.
outinleftfield
I am blown away that the O’s actually signed a good FA pitcher. $14.25 million AAV is very affordable. Go O’s.
chesteraarthur
Collusion!!!!
xabial
“Good FA Pitcher”? This was my least favorite FA SP:
Alex Cobb alarming Red flags:
As I’ve said countless times:
1) Cobb’s career-high IP is last year’s 179.1 IP.
2) He’s 30 years old.
3) He declined QO.
4) 128/44 K/BB in 179.1 IP doesn’t transpire confidence.
5) Never started 30 games in career (29 career-high 😉 )
6) 3.66 ERA put down by 4.16 FIP, 4.26 xFIP
7) 22 HR’s given up last year was a career-high.
And you choose to give him a FOUR YEAR deal!!?
xabial
Moral of the story: Cobb’s agent is a savage. Expected one year deal, less than Lance Lynn 12m +2m incentives
jbigz12
It’s crazy to see the outrage for a four year deal now. Guys like Cobb had previously been getting 4 or 5 years deals in their sleep. If he pitches like say, JA Happ it’ll be a great deal. If he pitches like ubaldo well orioles fans are used to that….. We took on a good amount of risk with this but it’s not without any upside. Cobb had just returned from TJ and may have not been fully back. He was still a pretty decent starter last year. If he stays on the field it’ll be alright.
mgrap84
I dont really think the Orioles or anyone else really care that hes your least favorite SP.
Thurman8er
A day late and 57 million dollars long.
Sick overpay.
ReverieDays
And the Brewers stand pat with their mediocre rotation that has zero depth. Typical.
jdgoat
Ya it seems like they were gifted him but 4-5 years are scary
3locos
I personally didn’t want another Garza suppan wolf and this length with an injury guy scares me enough to say wait until the deadline or so and make a move. Score 5.5 runs or so per and be 7 over at the break
chesteraarthur
Oh yeah, just score 5.5 per game, no big deal…last year they were at 4.5, good for 21st in MLB. The astros led MLB with…5.41 per game.
osfandan
This is a solid move for the Orioles. Sometimes it’s about more than just dollars and ERA. It shows our pending free agents that we are serious about winning. We will be better this year than all you haters think.
And to all of you saying the O’s have no farm system, you’re a couple years behind. Do some research.
marinest21 2
The Os rank in the bottom third (at best) in most every league-wide farm system rankings.
Sisco still needs to prove himself at AAA, Mountcastle at AA, and Harvey has thrown only 144 IP in four seasons. Aside from them and Hays, cupboard is pretty bare.
Sickels: “Overall it is a below average system but it isn’t a complete disaster.”
Aka: You can put lipstick on a pig but guess what?
Jean Matrac
Just because one thinks this was not a smart move does not make him a hater. I don’t hate the contract. It would be okay for a contender. I wouldn’t totally hate this deal for say the Brewers, Twins, Angels, D’backs, etc. I hate it for the O’s though. But thinking the O’s aren’t a contender doesn’t make one a hater either.
Farm systems are ranked not only on the number of top prospects, but on the depth of good prospects. The O’s have a few really good prospects, but not a lot beyond that. 3 or 4 top prospects does not make for a reasonable expectation for long term success
jbigz12
Having 30 solid mid level prospects doesn’t either. Depth is always preferred because most of those guys become trade chips to help your team as well but I don’t think you need to have a 30 deep farm system to be successful. The orioles haven’t had a good farm system during a solid stretch from ‘12-16. You find castaways like brach, oday, Trumbo, Cruz, miggy Gonzalez etc. to supplement your team and you catch fire. Don’t believe the royals had a very highly regarded farm during their run either. There are other ways to win.
IMO we have one year window to make some noise before we lose the team. It may very well be past our window, it probably is. The core of this team has won a lot of games together and it might be too late to do that again but we’re taking a shot. Also, personally I don’t care if angelos is spending 14million a year during a rebuilding year on Alex Cobb. Even if we suck, Angelos can afford that especially with all the money we’re losing after this year. I could care less about him not being able to pocket a few extra million if Cobb doesn’t pan out.
sportsjunkie24
Wtf orioles
HeartHustleWinner
I don’t think any of you realize how many offers Cobb actually had on the table… There were five teams in the running for his services
stymeedone
Enlighten us. Name the teams.
holecamels35
So who looks dumber, the O’s for going for it with an average at best roster set to lose their best player, or the Brewers who are all-in with that pathetic rotation?
rondon
How does a veteran with a better track record like Lynn, have to settle for a one year deal and this kid, with one decent year, gets 4? Maybe there’s something about one or both of them that I’m missing?
bruinsfan94 2
They are literally the same age
22222pete
Cobbs pitched in the tougher AL East and has a 3.4 bWAR average his last 3 full seasons. One more year removed from TJS and he could hit his peak and approach 4 WAR
jbigz12
How does Alex Cobb become a kid with one decent year? The man’s highest ERA he ever posted was a 4.08 and he had two seasons with an ERA under 3. Durability issues and health concerns are a valid knock but let’s not act like he hasn’t been a solid pitcher. Lance Lynn 100% would’ve received a multi year deal from Baltimore had he been interested as well. Doubt the numbers would’ve been as high but he’s gambling on himself.
mgrap84
You’re missing alot. Same age, Cobb has put up more then 1 good season in fact 2 seasons of an ERA below 3 all in a tough AL east. Cobb stayed his course and waited things out while Lynn panicked thinking he wasn’t going to sign till after the season started so he jumped on that deal. The Twins are not a bad team but had he stayed patient, he to probably would have gotten a better deal. Now he has to do it all again next year with far better players available.
Begamin
BREAKING: Cobb sneezes and fails physical
bernbabybern
This may make them a favorite for 3rd place in the AL East. Maybe.
terry g
Money is deferred in each year. I’ll bet he make less than Lynn’s 12.M and the rest is deferred. Good signing for Baltimore. Win for Cobb, too. He got his years.
#Fantasygeekland
Baltimore just did TB a favor by signing him for more than $50M. Now I think they’ll be 4th in the east instead of 5th
Kraycik
Now all they need to do is dump Machado and Scoops. Restock for a long a fruitful future, hopefully with players who actually want to play in Baltimore.
greatgame 2
O’s will regret this signing big time
JaysForDays
The Orioles’ mgmt decisions are like tramp stamps: An impulsive purchase to draw attention to one’s self that ultimately leads to disappointment, regret and ages poorly.
gorav114
Similar to your comment.
gorav114
What the Os have done is guaranteed the rotation (barring health of course) will be Bundy, Gausman, Cobb, and Cashner at least for next two seasons. I’m encouraged as a fan by that alone.
mgrap84
I agree, haters can hate all they want but thats one of the best rotations we have put out in years and if Tillman can bounce back, we will have a solid 5 man rotation which we havent had in a long time. Any REAL orioles fan has to be excited with that.
gorav114
Yup. Tilly was opening day starter few seasons in a row. Now he’s the #5. If he can bounceback I would put the rotation against most in baseball
Brixton
Baltimore’s rotation is bad lol
mgrap84
Maybe compared to the best in the league but against alot of other teams, i will take are rotation. If they all stay healthy they have a lot of potential.
raulito23
It was a good contract but risky because he had his first season after his injury although he looked good. I, as a manager, also took a risk because he looked good and has a lot of talent.
Tillman was injury but have years doing good,
Bundy won 13 and is young he can improve and cashner if he is healthy he does the work The health factor will be key and if they have it it will be good rotation and with his batting they will be able to compete
zwaves
The Orioles will celebrate this signing by trading away any remaining international bonus slots.
hozie007
Good for Cobb…not sure it’s good for O’s. Nearly $15M AAV for 4 yrs for a pitcher that hasn’t pitched more 180 innings in a season and had TJ in 2015…this is a high risk deal.
antsmith7
Meanwhile the Mariners have a borderline ace who can’t stay on the mound, a washed up former ace who can’t stay on the mound, a washed up former number 3 pitcher who can’t stay on the mound, and two AAAA pitchers. Yet they’re “confident” in their rotation. FOH they either stupid or really have no interest in winning. So many quality starters were out there that they could have gotten for an affordable deal…
mgrap84
Good move, glad he passed his physical. He has played in the tough AL East his whole career and has pitched quite a bit at OPACY and has done well. He has put up decent numbers in his career so he is definitely an upgrade over several pitchers we have had, including just about everyone we have signed in the past years. I think he will definitely have a good season. Probably needs about 2 weeks in the minors to get ready. He was already taking part in the Free agents camp that they were running in Florida so he wont really need more time then that.
brooksnumber5is1
The Parra deal was awful because of the decision to trade Zach Davies to try to get the second wild card. We always need pitchers and trading a young one for a lousy fourth outfielder free agent was a big mistake. And 2012orioles noted many more mistakes than good moves.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
I’d imagine that once any free agent passes the Orioles’ physical, their biggest concern is having the comic book Avengers swoop in and steal the guy away. “Healthy enough for the Orioles, absolutely healthy enough for us!”
SupremeZeus
Looking at the terms, seems like this deal could have been completed much earlier than now.
Coast1
We keep hearing how bad the market is for players but Cobb signed for more than this website predicted. They said 4/48. Arrieta signed for 3/75. MLBTR had him at 4/$100. Some guys did get less than predicted here but many of the guys did close.
outinleftfield
1/3 of the deal is deferred. This just keeps getting better and better for the O’s. Good job Duke. The O’s may not win the East, but they have done more than they are expected to do this season with worse. Just look at the rotation in 2016. Or 2014.
brooksnumber5is1
Agreed. At least they signed one of the top free agent starters instead of plugging in a bunch of “potentials” who are not. The only problem is if the deal does not work out, then we won’t sign another FA because this one blew up. They still talk about the Albert Belle deal as a reason for not signing players.
st11cks
You never know. Never thought they’d consider going 4 yrs on a pitcher after Ubaldo, but they did. For more money. With no trade protection.
terry g
Love to hear how many years those deferred payments are. He only takes home over 10M in 2021 and this year he’ll take home 7.5M. Good deal for O’s.
stymeedone
It still comes down to paying the last remaining free agent starter of value more than he was projected to make before the market fell, when every other recent signee has been accepting pennies on the dollar, and there was no sign of anyone else competing for his services. Did they need to sign a starting pitcher? Yes, of course. Just don’t try to tell me what a good job anyone in Baltimore’s front office did. Even if Cobb wins the Cy Young, it will be an overpay because of the circumstances when he signed.
bradthebluefish
Overpay for someone who was once great but was out for most of 2015 & 2016 and then in 2017 was good but not great. All his peripherals and pitches are down from pre-2015. No way he should have gotten a four-year deal.
bradthebluefish
Orioles could have had Arrieta for the same dollars.
Nate Dowdy
25 mil per year vs. 14.25.
jbigz12
Arrieta got 18 more for a season less. Cobb also has a ton of deferred money which brings down the PV of this contract substantially.
bullred
Baltimore’s GM has been informed by the owner to put a few band aids on the team and give the impression of “going for the post season”. It’s a business and you don’t rock the boat with any signs of a “reset’ or “rebuild”. That scares away the paying customers occupying the luxury boxes. It’s the right thing to do for the real fans but the die hards will show up no matter what the team does, It sucks but you can’t really blame them. Deny it all you want but most people would do the exact same thing if they were in their shoes.
JoeBrady
What? Unless I mis-read this, there is not a single person in Baltimore that thinks they are going for the post-season.
bullred
Yes in 2021 , but this was from March 2018 .