3:37pm: The Phillies and Arrieta “are moving close to a deal,” Jon Heyman of FanRag tweets.
1:24pm: Free agent right-hander Jake Arrieta’s lengthy stay on the open market is likely to end “in the next couple of days,” Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets. There are still “several teams” vying for Arrieta, according to Nightengale, who adds that the Phillies look like the favorites to land the 32-year-old.
Signing Arrieta would be the second major splash of free agency for the Phillies, who picked up first baseman Carlos Santana on a three-year, $60MM guarantee over the winter. Philadelphia was reportedly “having dialogue” with Arrieta back in late February, though team brass has insisted in recent months that the Phillies aren’t keen on doling out a long-term contract at this juncture. As part of a typical market, that would probably hurt the Phillies’ chances of reeling in a top-caliber starter like Arrieta, but free agency has been anything but normal in recent months. Evidence of that lies in the fact that Arrieta is still in limbo four-plus months since he became available, despite an excellent run with the Cubs from 2014-17.
At the outset of the offseason, MLBTR predicted a four-year, $100MM pact for Arrieta. It’s possible that will prove to be generous, though, as two of the other best starters in this winter’s class – Yu Darvish, Lance Lynn – signed for significantly less than expected, while both Arrieta and Alex Cobb are still without teams. In Darvish’s case, although he didn’t reach the projected $150MM guarantee, he still received a six-year, $126MM commitment to replace Arrieta in Chicago. Arrieta’s agent, Scott Boras, has tried to convince anyone who’ll listen that his client warrants a far richer contract than Darvish’s, but it looks highly unlikely at this point that he’ll get his way.
Regardless of how much money signing Arrieta might cost the Phillies, the onetime Cy Young winner’s history indicates he’d give them a second front-end starter to join budding ace Aaron Nola. The Phillies’ projected rotation is otherwise a mostly unproven group, so it’s debatable whether they’d even jump into wild-card contention in 2018 with Arrieta, though FanGraphs’ Craig Edwards recently argued that they’re not far off in a league with no apparent playoff shoo-ins aside from the powerhouse Dodgers-Cubs-Nationals trio.
While the Phillies are currently upstarts who have posted six straight non-playoff seasons, including five consecutive sub-.500 years, it’s clear they’re gearing up for a return to relevance in the near future. Further, the big-market club has flexed its financial muscle oftentimes in the past and could very easily afford an Arrieta signing now, with Jason Martinez of MLBTR and Roster Resource currently projecting an Opening Day payroll of roughly $65MM. That would be approximately $35MM than last year’s figure and the franchise’s lowest since it fielded a $58MM team in 2002.
It’s worth noting that Arrieta wouldn’t just cost the Phillies money. Because he rejected the Cubs’ qualifying offer at the start of the offseason, the Phillies (or anyone else) would have to surrender draft compensation and international bonus pool money ($500K in Philly’s case) to sign him. The Phillies already gave up their second-highest pick in 2018 when they signed Santana, though, so they’d only have to part with their third choice (No. 79) for Arrieta.
philsphan1979
I have a gut feeling the Phil’s will sign both Arrieta and Cobb
lowtalker1
Why?
petcovej129
the phillies are in need of pitching who is gonna back up nola either arrieta or cobb or both why not they have the money
mlb1225
Or why not just wait til next off season when there’s gonna be a handful more quality pitchers on the market, and their prospects will be ready? They should be trying to contend next season.
lowtalker1
Exactly
Phillies aren’t contenders yet and next years market is better
srechter
Commas are our friends
Ry.the.Stunner
Actually, the 2018-2019 FA class is pretty light on pitching. The only standout is Clayton Kershaw, and nobody knows if he’s going to opt out or not.
virginiascopist
Just out of curiosity, I know there is a bonanza of position players who will be hitting free agency next year, but will there really be a lot of starting pitchers? I know Kershaw and David Price can opt out (and certainly, the Dodgers would open the vault for Kershaw if he does opt out), and then there’s Dallas Keuchel. But what does the free agent market look like after that? I guess Lance Lynn will be there. Cole Hamels. Gio Gonzalez. Who else?
justin-turner overdrive
Because they can also flip any SP they sign for more prospects if the team isn’t winning this year. I think they might be better than you think in 2018 though.
Coast1
Dallas Keuchel is also a free agent, but you’re right about the rest of the class. The only younger pitchers are Patrick Corbin and Drew Pomeranz. Neither of them have been consistently great and would need big seasons to be worth more than Lance Lynn and Alex Cobb.
It’s possible that Cobb might be better this year than anyone in the group other than Keuchel and Kershaw. You really don’t want to pass on a pitcher now thinking you’ll get someone better in free agency next year.
The rest of the class are older guys like Gio Gonzalez and J.A. Happ. They aren’t going to command big bucks.
mlb1225
Even if Kershaw doesn’t opt out, Drew Pomeranz, Gio Gonzalez, Lance Lynn, Garrett Richards, Hyun-Jin Ryu, and Dallas Keuchel will be on the FA market. While none are #1 aces, maybe besides Keuchel, next year’s FA class still has solid starters.
Caseys.Partner
The Phillies haven’t “flipped” any starting pitcher since Hamels. They had Hellickson pitching great up until the 2016 deadline and then…..nothing. Then the Intern gave him a qualifying offer which he and Boras wisely accepted while laughing up their sleeves.
Ry.the.Stunner
Aside from Keuchel, I don’t consider any of them to be better than the current grouping of Darvish-Arrieta-Cobb-Lynn.
czontixhldr
Lynn will be an FA next season as well – one more year removed from TJS and without the QO attached.
lowtalker1
Max from dc
Dan M
Boras and Hellickson accepting the qualifying offer appears now like a mistake on their part, since Hellickson seems to be out of a job at this point. Had he declined last year, he would’ve entered as one of the best free agent pitchers in the market, along with Rich Hill who got 3 years for $48 million. Even if Hellickson got 2 years for $24 million, he’d be much better off right now. Count that as one of the few mistakes by Boras, next to Stephen Drew, Kendrys Morales and Mike Moustakas.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
If they do sign Arrieta it won’t be for the amount of money that they would be able to “flip him.”
outinleftfield
What does that even mean?
They can flip him no matter how much money they give him if he pitches well. If he pitches poorly it would be harder to flip him, but it would still be possible if they eat money or accept lower level prospects.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
It means it’s hard to flip contracts that no one else was interested in giving out 6 months earlier. He already pitched well in 2017 so he’d have to return to his Cy Young form to have any trade value.
Long Duc Dong
Yes, you, are, correct.
Jakeboykin
Exactly. They have a crapload of money so sign them both, front load the contract and pay an insane amount up front and even if they arent “ready” to win, then in a year or two they have both pitchers and tons of flexability financially to sign others to supplement.
I cant believe there are fans of any club who wouldnt love the idea of signing arrietta
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
That’s because those fans want their team to pay him for what he will do, not for what he has done.
philsphan1979
Because it doesn’t make sense not to..I’m okay with Either of the two players coming to Philly..both would be great! As long as it doesn’t interfere with next years free agency, and potentially signing trout
Caseys.Partner
It doesn’t make sense for the Phillies to fail to sign both Bryce Harper and Manny Machado. Their lineup stinks out loud. It will be another twenty years before two position talents like that hit free agency.
renegadescoach
No way they do that! Too many good young arms coming up. Contention this year is not the goal.
Coast1
While that’s not the entire goal, it is a goal.
Jakeboykin
Wow. I never thought id ever hear a fan write than, and believe it. Its been like 7 years when exactly should winning be a goal.
Paul Molitor
Well you want that to happen because your “philsfan” but keep dreaming buddy
under raited
3 year deal
60-70 million
Leemitt
Could live with that. 2 years, $46M would be even better.
Joe Kerr
Nightengale says Phillies so wherever the furthest team from Phily is, that’s where he’s signing.
bravesandcrewfan
KBO lol
WubbaLubbaDubDub
USA Today – the go-to source for all the best breaking baseball news. Lolz.
outinleftfield
San Diego or Seattle
bbatardo
Padres going to confuse everyone and sign him
justin-turner overdrive
I think the Dodgers or Angels would be the biggest surprises, after his twitter posts on election night telling all of Hollywood to leave the country, winning back the locals would be a story only….Hollywood could pull off 🙂
twitter.com/JArrieta34/status/796372720015523840
simschifan
Arrieta Phillies Cobb brewers on a 3/30 deal
michaelw
Brewers aren’t getting anyone lol. The GM already said they have set their rotation. Brewer fans starting to panic now. So they should lmao
PopeMarley
Now you’re trolling Brewers fans. Do everyone a favor and grow up.
justin-turner overdrive
I’d be so shook if my GM made all those moves to contend and then told me Wade Miley was in the Opening Day rotation. It’s almost like the Brewers offseason is a failure if they don’t one of Cobb or Arrieta – two guys who are definitely better than Wade Miley, lol
mikeyst13
The GM has not said that they have set their rotation, he said that he is content with the rotation the way it is, but they are still looking at options to improve it both through free agency and trades. That’s a huge difference. And much like the Phillies the front office realizes that while they can possibly contend for a wild card, 2019 & 20 are the real targets for contending. No need to make a forced move now and adding controllable guys this season without grabbing a pitcher doesn’t make it a failure.
GOUSA9
Why pitch in Philly when you can get that era back down in San Diego. Both teams are on the way back but San Diego seams to bring pitchers back.
Coast1
Padres payroll is already at $97 million. Their highest payroll was $108 million. Do you think they’ll bust past that to sign Arrieta?
mlbfan1978
They will if they think it makes them a contender at some point during the contract. You won’t see a one year pillow contract from SD
GOUSA9
Might as well. Worst case they flip him later in the year and build that #1 farm system even stronger.
Coast1
mlbfan1978 thinks that the Padres could sign Arrieta to a multi-year deal and GoUSA9 wants them to flip Arrieta if the team doesn’t win. It’s more difficult to flip a 30-something player on a multi-year deal where the player is earning as much as Arrieta wants. So it’s probably one or the other.
I’m skeptical that the Padres will blow past their spending high water mark for a pitcher when they don’t know if they’re there yet. They tried that strategy a few years ago and they abandoned it.
outinleftfield
The Padres are not looking at short term solutions anymore. That is pretty obvious from them signing Hosmer to a 7 year deal and having Myers under team control through 2023. If they sign Arrieta and give up more draft picks, it’s not going to be to a one year deal. It’s going to be 3-4 years with an option to keep him longer if he is pitching well.
I think the same applies to the Phillies. Their window of contention without Arrieta starts in 2019 or 2020. They are going to want to lock him up long enough that they have at least 3 years of him at the top of their rotation during those contending years.
outinleftfield
The Padres have $265 million in revenue according to Forbes. That means they can comfortably have a $130-135 million MLB payroll. Cots MLB Contracts figures show that league average is around 51%. According to Cots MLB Contracts they are at $90 million and Baseball-Reference has them at $96 million.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tml6a7X5uNjETnokoB…
That leaves enough money to sign Arrieta to a deal with an AAV at the $22 million Darvish got, 4/88 or 4/90, and still replace Headley and Galvis next season if their top prospects don’t prove to be ready.
odogfenway
Ask James Shields how that went
outinleftfield
Where would you rather pitch, the easiest park in baseball to hit a home run or one of the hardest?
espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor/_/year/2017/sort/HRF…
bkbkbk
Angels 2/48
brewers214
Alex Cobb to brewers make it happen Stearns
Tim Newport
Not that exited about adding a middle of the rotation guy…if you’re going to spend, add at the top. If you’re in the thrift store, mid to low is just fine. Neither Cobb nor Jake are top of the rotation guys. David, keep your debit card in your pocket.
Coast1
I think the Phillies will offer 3 years or 3 years and a team option. If Arrieta insists on 6 years I think it’ll be a contract like Hosmer. The first three years will be at around $25 million, but the last three will be something like $25-$30 million combined. Even then the Phillies might balk.
Based on what I think teams budgets are only the Yankees, Rangers, Orioles, White Sox, Athletics, and Phillies have more than $20 million to spend. The Yankees say they’re out and the Rangers have signed numerous starting pitchers. The White Sox and Athletics are rebuilding and haven’t signed free agents. The Orioles might not be attractive because of Arrieta’s history there, but I think he didn’t wait this long to let that get in the way. Still, it’s hard to see them offering more money than the Phillies will.
driftcat28 2
If it’s a 1 year deal, the yankees should be involved
Pops
I want Arrieta on the Orioles. When he got traded the Orioles werent allowing their pitchers to throw cutters. That has changed. So have the pitching coaches. Bring back Arrieta.
justin-turner overdrive
Baltimore, Milwaukee, Oakland, San Diego, Philadelphia and Miami all are putting vastly inferior SPs in their rotations to Cobb and Arrieta. MLB really needs to start leaning on these teams to sign one or both of them to at least a 1 year high dollar deal. They all have payroll room, neither of these guys blocks any prospect, if the team doesn’t win then they get prospects in return at the deadline, there’s no real downside to signing either of those guys, something needs to be done on this.
raef715
i didnt realize it was MLB”S job to lean on teams and tell them what they are supposed to do.
i havent been a fan of phils signing arrietta, but if you’re going to make your slogan “Be Bold” and talk about playing meaningful games in september, and you already gave up a pick and high dollars to bring in Santana to mentor young guys, not sure why you wouldnt do the same with Arrietta on a similar deal- but they might have been offering that for a while and its a matter of him accepting or not. if the want him, the dollars are no issue from the phils perspective.
Roll
If mlb pushes them to sign him then they must also remove the draft considerations as that is probably the only reason none of these teams (other than milwaukee) have not signed him. If you removed that for them though im sure a lot of other teams would have probably signed him a long time ago so they really have no way to push these teams to do anything they dont want as they can not offer them any incentive other than basically giving them the money to sign them.
chgobangbang
Guessing arrietta on a short term ,2-4 type of years with of course the one sided players advantage opt out clauses in there but for sure under 21av of yu?
Roll
whats the difference between the player and the opt out vs a team with a team option? They seem like the same thing to me only the player doesnt think he will get any better dollars and the team doesnt think they will get any cheaper value?
natelowda2
You watch. He will sign with cubs. Giving us more breaking news.
outinleftfield
I still have a feeling that Heyman is right and he will sign with the Padres. After signing Hosmer, they are still only in the $90-96 million MLB payroll range and 50% of their revenue would be around $130 million. They have about $20 million coming off the books for Headley and Galvis after this season so even more money to spend. Their number one right now is Richard and he is really more of a #4 inning eating groundball pitcher.
They have the money so maybe 4 years/$90 million with an option year and an opt-out after 2? What do you think Padres fans?
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
giphy.com/gifs/angry-cartoons-bad-pRotk2UQTsozm
outinleftfield
A gif sure tells the story. Grow up.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
It now says he’s signing with the Phillies which means you are once again, wait for it….
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!!!!!
outinleftfield
Phillies, Jake Arrieta “Moving Close” To Agreement
outinleftfield
It doesn’t say he is signing with the Phillies, it says they are “moving close”. Huge difference. So I guess you are wrong again. Grow up.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Just wait. He won’t sign with the Padres and you will once again be 100% WRONG!
Oh and I know how to downvote other people’s comments too.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
mlbtraderumors.com/2018/03/phillies-jake-arrieta-a…
Oooooooh. Wrong again. Can’t wait to see how you try and spin this one.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
No response? Figures. Maybe that’s why they call you “outinleftfield.” Cuz that’s where your brain is.
Jakeboykin
As a newly minted padres fan after the hosmer signing i say go for it and sign either arrietra, or if worried about the money then cobb. Cobb will probably be a better ootion anyway as he has a better chance to perform over the lifetime as i think he is over.
kbry
I still don’t think that Arrieta is going to accept a deal shorter than 4 years. 4 year deal for 110-120 million, a player opt out after year 2 and 3 and a vesting option for a 5th year. It might sound outrageous to some, but I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to see a contract around these details.
outinleftfield
That is a huge amount more than a comparable starter got in AAV in this market and more than he was expected to get going into the offseason. I don’t see any of the owners breaking their pact to lower FA prices and signing him to that kind of a deal.
4/88 or 4/90 with an option, vesting or mutual, and an opt-out is more in line with the $21 million AAV Darvish signed for.
Hot Corner
It appears that this offseason might be the start of the downfall of Scott Boras. One might think that players will be reluctant to sign him as an agent in the future after seeing the recent returns that he has yielded his clients.
Moustakas has to be infuriated at his desperation deal that he just signed after not taking the qualifying offer. Arrietta at this point is almost certain to sign a one year deal.
outinleftfield
It may be the downfall of Tony Clark who showed a complete lack of understanding of the business side of baseball and got taken to the woodshed, but Boras is still going to be the premier agent in baseball.
Tim Newport
I would love it if someone would do the research to total the difference between the the best offers or the QO’s that his clients turned down and the amounts that they eventually signed for. Boras cost his clients tens of millions, possibly hundreds of millions of dollars.
Thronson5
Damn it lol was holding out hope the Dodgers would sneak in and get him at a bargain. Phillies actually made some nice moves this offseason and this another one. Nice job Phillies. Can’t wait for the season to start and see how things play out.
kbarr888
Breaking!!!
Phillies and Arrieta Have A DEAL! (right here on mlbtraderumors)