March 31: The Cardinals have made the signing official.
March 30: Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic tweets that Holland’s salary is not pro-rated. He will earn the full $14MM sum regardless of when he is added to the big league roster. Beyond that, his contract comes with the standard awards bonus package ($50K for All-Star or a playoff MVP Award, $250K for Rivera/Hoffman Relief Award, etc.).
It does not, however, sound like anything will be finalized today. Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch tweets that the Cards are still reviewing his physical and still need to lay out a preparation plan for Holland to get into game shape.
March 29, 10:35am: Heyman tweets that Holland will earn $14MM on a one-year deal with the Cardinals.
10:25am: Mark Saxon of The Athletic reports that the two sides have agreed to terms on a deal (Twitter link). The contract is still pending a physical.
10:16am: The Cardinals and free-agent closer Greg Holland are moving close to a deal, reports FanRag’s Jon Heyman (Twitter link). The 32-year-old Holland, a client of the Boras Corporation, is the lone remaining top-tier free agent that has yet to sign.
Holland paced the NL with 41 saves and 58 games finished as the Rockies’ closer last season but stands alone as the last remaining top-tier free agent on the open market. Reports have indicated that the righty received an offer to return to the Rockies earlier this winter, but Colorado pivoted and signed Wade Davis after Holland didn’t bite on their initial proposal.
St. Louis will stand to benefit from a collapsed market, as they’ll now land one of the better available relievers of the winter for a value that falls shy of the $17.2MM qualifying offer and $15MM player option that Holland rejected back in November. The Cards had previously been set to enter the season with Luke Gregerson handling ninth-inning duties, but the veteran Gregerson has been slowed by an oblique injury in camp and, more recently, a hamstring issue that will shelve him to open the year. Dominic Leone figures to open the season in the ninth, though he could very well give way to Holland once the former All-Star works his way into game shape.
The Cardinals, clearly, will be hoping for the dominant form that Holland displayed through the season’s first three months before wilting in the second half of the year. August proved to be a particularly dreadful month for the former Rockies stopper, as he surrendered 14 runs on the strength of four homers in just 9 1/3 innings.
While he rebounded with a solid finish in September, Holland’s fastball velocity and location were off for much of the summer — even when his ERA wasn’t reflecting it — and his struggles returned against the Diamondbacks in the NL Wild Card game. Of course, given that the 2017 season was Holland’s first back from September 2015 Tommy John surgery, it’s perhaps not surprising that he faded down the stretch. Certainly, it’s plausible that fatigue played a significant role in those difficulties.
In order to sign Holland, the Cardinals will forfeit their second-highest pick (their second-round selection) in the 2018 draft as well as $500K of international money. Because he signed a contract for less than $50MM in total guarantees, Holland will net the Rockies a draft pick after Competitive Balance Round B — in the 75 to 80 range of the draft.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
about damn time
That bullpen is stacked!
Well I hope it’s more than a 1 year deal!
1 year deal. Surprises me they were willing to part with the draft pick for only 1 year deal and still pay a premium for someone who struggled late last year.
I don’t like that it’s just a 1 year deal either, but last year is over
Agreed. Perhaps they can QO Greg Holland once the season ends and get some draft picks back.
With the new rules to QO’s he csn never be given 1 again!
A player can only receive a QO once in their career so they won’t be able to do that.
I think that you are going to see a much different approach toward giving QO’s going forward because of the reasonableness of the past off season salaries.Whereas only three years ago no one had ever taken one only the superstars and upper level players will be turning them down now.
Good luck St. Louis. You gave up a lot to get this guy. I’m just glad he is not back in Denver pitching for the Rox. He was bombed the last 2-3 months of 2017.
With the way Hicks pitches today the cardinals might be ok in the closer role
Get it done Mo! Hopefully it’s a higher AAV with less years.
Hopefully it’s lower aav with less years
Wonder if he’s ready right away… you would think a player could stay in shape on their own.
There is a difference between staying in shape and being ready to play at the highest level.
Curious if he’s going to get what he wants… anyways if a deal comes, it’ll be nice to see him finally sign
At least the Rockies can finally get their draft picks.
They lost one for signing Wade Davis as well though I believe
Yes, but now they got Wade Davis for just moving down 25-30 spots in the draft now instead of actually losing a pick. I think Wade Davis will be worth that.
He will have to play in the minors for at least a week before he’s ready but that would be awesome!!!
I’m sure major league players know how to stay in shape and be ready.
You can’t get ready to play MLB by staying in shape. Pitchers need to gradually up their pitch count, while hitters say they need at least 50 at bats. Jake Arrieta signed March 12 and isn’t ready yet. Holland is a reliever, so he doesn’t need to get a high pitch count, but he still needs to make sure he isn’t overdoing. He’ll probably need about a week from the first day he throws.
They’re saying he’ll be added to the 25 man right away.
Hey, did Holland go to the “training camp” for the free agents waiting for a deal?
Arrieta will become the new James Shields!
No, Boras clients “chose” not to attend
Great add by the Cards. Run down those Cubs and shut up their Bandwagon fans on here!
How many save opportunities will he get? With cards brutal AAA starting rotation they won’t be leading too many games.
Gtfoh with that.
Yes all cards fans are delusional. Get some scrub from Japan as starter on cheap and cheap bullpen replacements for oh and rosenthal. Waino out and think 2 rookies will come in and be aces. Enjoy missing playoffs , again .
You realize the Cubs were in on him heavy too right? Good luck with having no pitching depth whatsoever ya bandwagon bum..
No depth?
I would take Luke Weaver, Jack Flaherty and Dominic Leon over Wainwright and Oh … Not the players they used to be.. Plus doesn’t help that Rosenthals arm fell off once again…
Cubs tried to sign Mikolas but they stink so he signed with cards instead
Have my die hard fan club membership card from the 80’s . Watched Lenny randle mike vail and Steve onteveros . Try again . Cards don’t need him today. Getting pounded.
Heavy on him? You in on cubs talks? Theo and ricketts let you in on everything. Morrow signed early with cubs. Try again
Guess what? All pitchers
and players are rookies to start their careers! You think they automaticity just become vets ?
The Cubs actually were in on Mikolas, but the Cards ST location in Jupiter, FL reportedly helped sway him to sign with St. Louis (surprised that was an important factor, but to each his own). Source: stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/back-hom…
Nothing against Mikolas, but from a Cubs perspective, this and Cobb rejecting a 3/$42M offer were arguably blessings in disguise, as they enabled the opportunistic signing of Darvish. [That assumes the Cubs would’ve signed Chatwood regardless, who Epstein said the Cubs aggressively pursued and outbid a competitive market to acquire.]
Oh plays for the Blue Jays and Rosenthal is a free agent. So….
Darvish is an incremental improvement over Arrieta. The Cub’s rotation is not great. True, Arrieta may have already pitched his best baseball but I don’t think you’ll get much more out of Yu than you got outta Jake. Lester, Quintana, Hendricks and Chatwood aren’t scaring anyone in the playoffs.
And please tell me again who you replaced Wade Davis with?
Brandon morrow who got dodgers into World Series and dominated . He is pretty good
Dominated? I think you’re thinking of Jansen. Jansen had a playoff ERA of 1.62 as the closer to Morrow’s 3.95. Morrow gave up 5 runs in 5.1 innings in the World Series. I realize 4 were in one game, but he wasn’t even the closer then. Guys don’t usually get better going from being a setup man to a closer. Morrow was good in LA because he had Jansen behind him. We just have different ideas as to what “dominant” is. Morrow would have been a great pickup if it was then followed by signing Davis or something. But to be a team hoping for a World Series and relying on him to close… That’s silly.
So you are saying Brandon Morrow > than Greg Holland? Lol, it’s a shame the Dodgers let him get away after he “got them into (the) World Series”. Man oh man do you just love to double down on the stupid comments you make.
Prime example^^
Have you watched any of their starters pitch?
AAA rotation? I’m willing to bet that the cardinals rotation out performs the cubs rotation this year
I’ll take that bet.
Troll. I’m a Cub’s fan and they have a solid rotation with high upside
You are a Cub fan not cubs fan. How am I a troll? I didn’t post until someone posted run down those cubs and shut up their fans . Why can’t cardinal fans celebrate signing without bashing cubs? Go away “cub fan”
Idiotic hyperbolic opinion based on your dislike for the Cardinals or a troll. Don’t really care which
All of the above. Nice work
Hahaha.
Lmao its GREG HOLLAND.
I like the Cubs and dislike the Cards but there is way to many Cubs fans who are ridiculously biased on here. Please don’t take over the Cardinals for most insufferable fan base
2018 Cubs fans are like 2006-era Red Sox fans insufferable. They think baseball was invented in their city two days before their team won the Series.
No one could ever say it better!!!
Have you seen my boy this spring, my friend? Looking pretty good.
Got to admit he’s gotta face only a mom could love.
Wouldn’t that be the ’05, the ’08 or the ’14 sox? Got swept in ’05 DS, missed the playoffs in ’06.
And every fan base is insufferable after they win a WS.
Giants fans still won’t shut up about “even years”
Dodgers fans haven’t won in a long time and they still act like you should hand them the trophy in spring training
Cardinals fans won’t shut up about Kershaw choking.
And don’t even get me started on Yankee fans
Please try and get started.
C’mon, Dave, gimme a break. We Schwarbers are not pretty. But I’m pencilling in Kyle can be pencil
^^Pencilling Kyle for 40 HRs. Hopefully, not as many errors.
OH JDGoat and the Card fans don’t pop over to the Cubs site and are Biased. They get more respect if they showed it. You can put it on Cubs fans all day long. How many times dd certain Card fans come to the Cubs board EVERYDAY, every trade, every signing, and release. Themed who is suppose to be the Cards biggest fan was there everyday talking about the Cubs will regret letting this guy go. That guy. Yeah I’m sure the Cubs will regret letting a AA player whos ERA was 13+ and War -0.7 go. Come on man. I do like SOME Card fans who I can talk to. Others are idiots. I’ll agree there are some Cub fans the same way. But what comes around goes around.
No Name commenter was on the board for the opening pitch. IF you’re a Card fans than stay on you’re own board talk about you’re own team why you worried about some other team. Not like anybody can control either team. Love to get a long with Card fans but some people you just can’t reach. BTW commenter saying Happ will start off with a SO sure shut him up for a few iinnings lol.
BUT JD don’t go putting it all on Cub fans would you like to read comments made by Card fans. Please don’t be a hypocrite..
MW has a lot of nerve talking about staying on your own boards! Blah! Blah! Blah! He’s the worst troll I’ve seen to go to other boards
and start crap. Especially about the Cards! He’s barely literate
and a Cubs Fanwagon for sure!
That mess is hardly readable. It is like they read a baseball story then regurgitated it.
A Yankee fan complaining about another team’s boisterous fan-base? You are the ultimate baseball hypocrite.
Thank ESPN for that. Listening to them you would think the baseball season sun rises out of the NY Yanks @$$ and sets in the Red Sox
I so agree, great pick up
Finally!!!!
Too little too late. The NL Central belongs to the Cubs. Again.
Cubs in 4, I don’t care who we play.
Too little is up for debate but too late is just stupid.
I hope the Cubs come in 3rd.
Higher than I want them to be.
Hope the people in H e”ll get ice water too. Nice to hope baseballpun.
Now as I recall, back in the Winter when Yelich signed with Milw, A GREAT signing BTW I won’t dish that, a Card fan no less came to the Milw board and I quote to the Milw fan base. “Its going to be great Milw and the Cardinals battling it out for first place. LOL OK See how that works. Now your mad because the guy said too little too late you hope I STRESS HOPE the Cubs come in 3rd. According to Card fans and Milw fans both will be battling it out for first place. IF you think that, that is good but if you believe that really BELIEVE that than that is not so good. Cause reality going to set in in about 3 months.
I dont know if i can trust your recollection if you say Yelich signed with Milwaukee.
Cubs in four playing the wild card team or as #2/3?
I don’t like seeing serious injuries but I’m curious how well they’d handle lingering injuries to one or two top pitchers as well as Rizzo or Bryant.
Injuries to key players happen. The Cardinals have certainly dealt with it in division and league championship seasons w/ in the last 15 years to varying degrees of success.
I’m wondering what happens if brewers staring rotation goes down and yellich cain and Braun. Obviously it changes outlook. It did last year. 2016 was perfect season for cubs. Last year every starting pitcher spent time in dL . Still won division .
Injuries—well last season they had ALL FIVE starting pitchers on the DL, lost Russell for a month and a half, Contreras for a month, Zobrist and Heyward each went on the DL twice, Bryant played a third of the season with a lingering finger injury…Schwarber didn’t produce much and they still won 92 games and the division, after being UNDER .500 at the all star break. Injuries do happen, but they seem to be deep enough to at least contend if they are hit hard.
You lost no one of any real consequence for significant time. If anything losing Heyward is a blessing. Thanks for signing him btw.
Cubs won’t be in 4th or 3rd or 2nd. Injuries lol. Cubs have the biggest dept in MLB.
1st Base NP WC, Cant, Happ, Zorb, Baez, KB all can play first base
3rd Base NP Happ, Zorb, Baez, La Stella, all can play 3rd
Doubtful Rizzo ever get hurt unless someone hits him in the head.
Cubs players are rotated a lot and are not over played and rested. Unlike Dusty did with Wash and MM does with St.L
SP we can go 7 strong in SP IF we had too. So an injury to a SP can be replaced easy. MM for starters.
MW! You are the biggest moron on here
and you don’t know squat about baseball !
I’m neither a Cubs nor Cards fan. Even the Detroit Tigers went 7 deep on starters in the spring. Doesn’t mean anything. Every team would be hurt having to replace their #1 with their #6.
Hahahaha
The division most certainly does not belong to the Cubs. They might be the favorite but things can fall apart quickly. Qualify for the playoffs before you start making WS predictions.
Like we have last 3 years??
And went to one WS, not 3. And didn’t win that one in 4. Thank you for making my point.
Good lord only one World Series in 3 years ? How many teams would love that? How many teams sweep? Did Astros last year ? Cards in 2011? So it’s the 2016 took 7 games to win world champion Chicago Cubs? I’ll take it . Ask Kershaw he would take it too. Cubs could win 10 in a row and some cardinal fans would still whine.All you guys go to Vegas and put your money where your mouth is if so sure division is cardinals and not Cubs. Only one World Series out of 3 . Ha ha love it
Keep counting. Two WS in how many years? Guess that’s enough to start taking them for granted.
Dear Idiot, he said “Cubs in 4 I don’t care who we play”
You don’t even take the time to read and comprehend what you are arguing for or against. You just sputter random sentence fragments exposing your ignorance over and over.
The NL Central looks to be a tough division. The Cubs would be lucky to win it, even more so to make it to the WS. Nevermind a guaranteed sweep against whoever they may happen to face when they get there.
I forgot the Card fans are still in denial..
But you’re right anything can happen.
Says the guy who roots for a team with no proven closer. lol
Didn’t you make the same prediction 1 year ago?
Sometimes my fellow Cub fans make me wish that I’d grown up a white sox fan instead. Mostly kidding
True Cub fan would never say that .
Lol, thanks fan police. If you are the definition of a true fan then I’m happy being an untrue fan
The season just started, and The NL Central isn’t like The NL East. Brewers and Cardinal look to compete.
This is the point they seem to miss over and over. They are just hung up on St Louis. When the real point is you have 2 very real contenders looming in your division. Doesn’t matter who the contenders are … or that you are favored … facts are facts and they should be recognized as such
YASSSSS!!!!!!!!
So much for Jordan Hicks getting the job by mid year. I wonder if Hicks will be sent back down if they need the roster spot.
Great question. I’d say if he keeps pitching no reason to send him down. Holland will need a little time
They wouldn’t have DFA’d a player to add and remove someone. They’ve just waited.
I’m liking this team more and more
I guess hicks/leone/Lyons will be our closers for the week until holland signs and is ready to play ball.
I remember you and/or your client Brock Lesnar called it
Congratulations
Good day to be a cardinal fan
Yup, today would be one.
Last day of the season will be the other.
My assumption is that he spends about a week or so in extended spring training,
Interested to see what the deal is.
He probably will. Kind of like Cobb with the Orioles
Thank the Lord above they needed that. I felt like he’d sign opening day, glad it was with the Cards.
14 million for Holland is what is being reported
1 yr or 2?
wasted money
Finally…everyone has been saying they should do this for like 2 months
Sure seems like one “lesson” that might survive this offseason is to wait out the free agents who make what you consider to be exorbitant demands and see if you can swoop them up at the last minute. Wonder if that will be more of a trend going forward? Thoughts?
Son next year watch Harper, machado and kershaw go to rival teams so you get someone on cheap? Watched morrow, cischeck Chatwood and Darvish go to cubs and arrieta Cobb and Lynn go elsewhere to grab holland? Seems like a good plan. All in fun, you are correct teams looking back now wonder if they could have gotten better / equal players for less
Not a fan of Holland going forward, but it certainly improves the redbirds. I think 1 Year $14M + draft pick is an overpay.
They don’t lose a draft pick anymore
I think they still lose the draft pick because he’s signing before the draft.
#59. The cost of this transaction is $14M + pick #59 + bonus pool $$. IMO, that cost is too high and it is an overpay. Any pick the redbirds received via the Lance Lynn QO/FA signing is irrelevant when calculating the cost of this independent transaction. I understand why the redbirds and their fans are comfortable with overpaying.
Crap. I was hoping waiting until the season opener would nullify the compensation picks. … Either way, glad it’s done.
They still would’ve lost a pick after the season opening ! He would’ve had to sign AFTER the draft for the team to not lose a pick !
They got a pick when Lynn signed. It’s not like their draft is going to be demolished. $14mil has no impact on future spending, whether it’s a 1 or 2 year deal.
For a guy nobody wanted and had a terrible second half
…who doesn’t have to close if he’s ineffective and who will be coming off the books after one year.
The Cubs
and several other teams wanted him too. Stop whining !
Who wanted him? Cards bid against themselves. You spend 14 million on a closer if you think you can win World Series. Cards aren’t favored by any means
“favored” means nothing
mlbtraderumors.com/2018/03/market-notes-youth-holl…
The Braves and D’backs wanted him it says right here.
I think it’s too much myself if it’s just for one year!
Very fortunate to get a full contract on opening day.
How many qualifying offers will be accepted next year
The bigger question is how many will be offered? If teams think that they can sign upper mid tier free agents for less than the qo it doesn’t make sense to offer it
Next year there will still be quite a few since the class has some amazing talent. Harper, Machado, Blackmon, Donaldson, Kimbrel for sure if they are not traded – Maybe Dozier, Andrew Miller, Pollock.. and I think when Kershaw opts out they can put a QO on him too.
Tribe’s Cody Allen will likely also pass on the QO next winter. Pollock’s fate rides on this year. Even if he has a good season I think he’d be inclined to accept.
Lance Lynn should fire his agent.
Good job Mozeliak, I am surprised when I saw the news. Nice Signing, now we are ready to win. Welcome to the Cardinals Holland.
Need the roster spot too. Is this goodbye Norris making this actually $17mil and draft pick for one year? I like getting him, hope that second half last year was just one time. He’s not in Colorado, that should help.
You can’t figure it like that! Roster spots are changed all the time
What pick do they lose?
59th overall, I believe.
70 wins for the Angels. It will be a long painful year as an Angels fan.
Try being a Giants fan.
Yea, I feel like the 2018 Giants are the 2014 Phillies
“Bunch of aging veterans? Let’s add AJ Burnett and Marlon Byrd to the equation, maybe that will make it better.”
The Giants had a great run, but it’s time to rebuild. Hopefully, for the fans’ sake, they start sooner rather than later.
The Giants just don’t have a good farm system and they don’t really have anyone on their roster to trade for prospects. They are in a strange place as a high-revenue and high-spending team with an old manager who is more comfortable with veterans, it would seem. I think the Giants might actually tread water for a while.
Yes, but can Holland hack computers?
Edmonds456
But can your mom?
By no means a terrible deal, but given the need to surrender draft pick compensation, I’d prefer something like 2 years, 20 mil. Though maybe Holland was seeking a pillow…I wouldn’t blame him.
I was thinking Holland would prefer a 2-year deal since Cody Allen and Andrew Miller will also hit the open market next winter. Britton will also be a FA, though his ranking and value are pretty murky at the moment.
This will help the birds pen but the Cubs are clearly superior in nearly every position on the 25 man rosters. Cubs win total will be 10-15 more than the birds or brew crew.
Cardinals outfield is superior to the cubs…hands down
Hahaha! The Cubs BP is terrible
Plus the Cards outfield is way better than the Cubs! The rest of the team is split.
How is their bullpen terrible? Montgomery, Morrow, Edwards, Strop, Duensing, Cishek, Wilson looks pretty strong
Like I said, very iffy
6 2/3 1 hit from bullpen today from cubs . Cards 3 innings 8 hits 4 runs so far.
Rational poster – “these players look like a strong strong pen”
Bruce Wayne – ‘nuh-uh cuz I said so!!”
lol, answered your own question. Serviceable at best. Def not a strength.
Yea that Marlins team is tough…congrats on the cubs bullpen shutting it down lol
Chester-the -molester. I know it all
and no body else can have a different opinion than mine!
Cubs are one of best BP’s in baseball. Seriously, and I’m not even a Cubs fan (far from it actually).
I’m a Cardinal fan – no way I’d describe the Cubs bullpen as terrible. Some interesting arms and question marks in both bullpens – let’s play ball!
About time. Im shocked it took so long. Solid pitcher. Honestly could have helped any bullpen
Well at least Brandon morrow isn’t my closer because you never when that next injury is going to hit.
Seemed like he was always destined for the Cardinals, but the team won the staring contest in the end lol
Given where he was, it’s not a terrible deal for him, and a bit of an overpay for the Cardinals, who probably thought they had no choice. But if he really had anything close to to 3/$50, he’s got to be wondering about the advice he got, Now he’s going to have to perform
I think that the Cardinals had to do this deal to try to even up with the Cubs.They are wise in making it one year as it is a crapshoot regarding his health.
What a great opening day. Cubs win Cards lose. Cubs in first Cards in last .
It’s the first game.
Doesn’t matter cubs 162-0 cards 0-162. Come on people this is what’s great about the game . Fans ribbing each other. I’m having fun and hope everyone is too. Cards are a good team . Good pickup by them. When cubs sign players I expect and enjoy other fans booing the deal. Life is short . Enjoy each day
I am a cubs fan; you are embarrassing. You are not “ribbing” cardinals fans. You are posting homer-ish nonsense that comes off incredibly immature.
Last time I checked 1 game doesn’t determine a season also let me not you cub fans should be sooooooo proud of beating the MARLINS lol..
It is the Chicago Cubs and you would be a Cub fan not a cubs fan
If you’re going to correct someone, know what you’re talking about.
It’s “Cubs’ fan,” as in, “fan of the Cubs” — with a possessive apostrophe.
I’m saying cardinals actually have a tough opponent and the cubs basically get 4 free bee games with the marlins
Wrong. Harry Caray sang I’m a cub fan and a bud man.
You lost to marlins lol
Cubs lose cubs lose cubs lose! To the worst team in Mlb. How embarrassing !
I’m sure no one expected him to sign on opening day!
Holland will be activated too soon, go from zero to hero and go down with an injury. Mark my words.
Don’t wish that evil on my fantasy team
Declined THREE chances to make more.
1) Declined $15 million player option
2) Declined $17.4 million qualifyjng offer
3) Reportedly Declined 3/52 from Rockies
Holland seemed destined for St. Louis all along, but I wouldn’t have guessed it would take this long or that it would end up being a 1-year deal.
This isn’t as bad as Moustakas’ deal, but Boras really blew it with these two.
Definition of insufferable fans- posting about cubs on an article about the cardinals. Congratulations you have now surpassed us as most insufferable fans in baseball.
Because cardinal fans never post on a cubs article . Smh. Your teams fans are still then worst. 2011
“It’s about time, my clothes were going out of style.” Sandlot
They already are Squints.
This will be sure to solidify the Cards locking up third place in the NL Central..
Too bad Holland will only come in when the Cards are ahead, can’t pitch more than about an inning per game, and will be sure to be misused and abused by Matheny..
Let me tell you this, Cardinals are not fighting for 3rd place. No the Cardinals are not fighting for 2nd. NO, the Cardinals are NOT fighting for a WC spot. the Cardinals in my opinion are the smartest organization out there and they are fighting for the division. Period.
Fans been saying that now for 2 seasons. believe believe so says Fat MO and MM counting his money while at the drive thu in his Ferrari. Believe.
100% for sure Card will be in 3rd place. Holland won’t make a difference. If he did he be well signed by now and as stated by another poster will be lucky to avoid injury in the next 3 months because MM will burn him out. 100% for sure. But ok I will bite will see.. Good luck that is all I will say and believe what ever floats you’re boat. Heard that story before YAWN!
After yesterdays performance you will need more than Holland. 15 SO – OF 0-12 Fine Group of Men. Yes Sir Fine Group of Men.
guess what other story I have hear? Oh, it was a 100 year embarrassing WS drought..
Which one has a Ferrari? MM is an idiot and seems like an FJ Cruiser kind of D-bag. But seriously, this team is the definition of average and will finish 3rd or fourth. Life long cards fan, but we dumped our season a tickets a few years ago when we realized MO only looked good when he was in TLR’s shadows just signing off on whatever Tony wanted. MM has always been an idiot and easily out managed by his counterparts. It’s absolutely shocking how little situational baseball knowledge a former good defensive catcher turned out to be.
You are no cardinals fan saying 3rd or 4th. Stop acting.
Just realistic and don’t get delusional at the beginning of every year. This decline was seen coming in 2012. Average team with the leagues worst manager.
Holland may be that stabilizing veteran presence in the bullpen that can lead the Cardinals closer to equality with the Cubs
Great addition
Now Matheny/Maddux has the Arsenal for matchups and closing
Holland won’t do a bit of difference if the Cards SO 15 times and their SP gives up 4 runs and their BP gives up 5 more…
Like the tenth comment I have seen cubs fans bashing on the cardinals FIRST game. The first game does not mean the whole season. You seem like a baseball fan you should know that…
They gave 14m to Holland for a year, but they couldn’t offer that much to Lance Lynn?
Wth is going on? Holland’s ERA was above 6 the 2nd half of the season, and 8.47 over his last 19 games. How does he get 14m and Lynn only gets 12m??? That just doesn’t make any sense…
It’s called good agent from bad agent. Love him or hate him, Boras gets it done.
Moose was his ultimate failure (possibly worst ever) and Holland — to an extent was also a Boras failure, rejecting 2-3 higher higher offers.
But Holland making more guaranteed money than Lynn on a one-year deal makes Lance Lynn’s agent look like a failure. This is why for better or for worse Boras holds out to the very end -and this time— it worked.
Both good points. I would want Lynn as starter over Holland as a reliever. If you are a player you have to go Boras if you want the big money
That’s because the starting pitching market was down
and the reliever market has skyrocketed the last couple of years. That’s just the market!
Max,
Stl offered lance the 17.2mil Q-offer, and Lance declined.