For the last several weeks, virtually all of the buzz around J.D. Martinez has centered around two teams — the Red Sox and Diamondbacks. Various reports have stated that the Sox have a five-year offer on the table for the slugger that is worth somewhere between $100MM and $125MM, possibly closer to the former figure than the latter. Martinez and agent Scott Boras came into the offseason with a much higher salary in mind, and while time and a lack of suitors has likely dropped that initial $210MM price tag quite a bit, Boston’s apparent unwillingness to increase its offer has turned the situation between Martinez’s camp and the Red Sox into something of a “staredown.”
The D’Backs, meanwhile, also won’t come close to a $210MM figure but their approach has been to see if Martinez would accept some type of unique contract (i.e. a shorter-term deal on a higher average annual value, possibly with a player opt-out clause after a season or two) to return to the desert. Boras has personally met with D’Backs managing general partner Ken Kendrick multiple times over the offseason, plus Martinez said after the season concluded that he greatly enjoyed playing for Arizona, so there is certainly some opportunity for a reunion between the two sides.
Obviously, Martinez’s particularly good relationship with the D’Backs opened the door for their chances at signing him to a deal that may fall short of his original target — he and Boras aren’t likely to be as flexible for a team that Martinez isn’t as familiar with, or isn’t planning on contending in 2018. Still, since the stalemate in the Red Sox negotiations has opened the door for one team to get involved in Martinez’s market, could others follow suit?
Compiling a list of potential JDM suitors in mid-February is tricky, despite the fact that Martinez would boost any lineup in baseball. Concerns about Martinez’s injury history and his lack of defensive value as an outfielder haven’t gone away, and the unprecedentedly slow free agent market is also an impediment to a signing on a couple of fronts. Firstly, a team could pass on Martinez for one of several other notable bats who are available at a lower price. Secondly, some of the “Team X could be a fit for Martinez if they made another trade” scenarios are problematic since these hypothetical teams could be wary of having a positional surplus in a market where potential trade partners could, again, just opt to sign someone else.
Let’s begin by eliminating the teams that clearly don’t seem feasible, whether because they’re rebuilding or due to a lack of payroll: the Marlins, Reds, Padres, Pirates, Rays, Royals, Tigers, Indians, and Athletics. It’s worth noting that while San Diego and Kansas City may be prepared to offer a nine-figure contract to Eric Hosmer, their interest in such a splurge extends specifically to Hosmer himself due to his youth (he is over two years younger than Martinez).
Beyond those teams, you have another wide array of clubs who can likely be eliminated since they’ve already added outfielders this winter or had crowded outfield/DH situations to begin with: the Mets, Phillies, Braves, Cardinals, Cubs, Brewers, Dodgers, Giants, Blue Jays, Yankees, Angels, and Astros. A few of these teams were linked to Martinez in rumors earlier in the offseason, but St. Louis (Marcell Ozuna), San Francisco (Andrew McCutchen), and Toronto (Curtis Granderson, Randal Grichuk) all went in different directions for their outfield needs.
With 21 teams and the Red Sox and D’Backs already covered, let’s look at the seven remaining clubs, some more feasible than others…
Orioles: Signing Martinez would push top prospect Austin Hays from right field favorite to versatile fourth outfielder, likely spelling Martinez or Mark Trumbo (whomever isn’t the DH) on a regular basis as a late-inning defensive replacement. With Manny Machado and Adam Jones both entering their final year under contract, signing Martinez would be a clear sign that Baltimore plans to contend beyond the Machado/Jones era should both leave in free agency. Unless the O’s plan to simply try and out-mash opponents next year, however, it seems far more likely that the team will use any available dollars on pitching, as the Orioles still have as many as three rotation spots that are still up in the air. Beyond that, Baltimore generally only spends big money when it comes to extending or re-signing their own players, not in splurging on new talent.
Rangers: Essentially, it’s the same scenario as the Orioles, with Martinez blocking another notable prospect (Willie Calhoun) and serving as long-term lineup reinforcement if other big stars (Elvis Andrus/Adrian Beltre) aren’t back in 2019. The only difference is that Texas has already made some significant moves to shore up its rotation, and GM Jon Daniels has been open to big free agent signings in the past. A connection here also seems pretty far-fetched, as the Rangers have been wary about further extending payroll this winter.
Mariners: GM Jerry Dipoto is much more prone to make a big trade than a big free agent signing, plus Seattle already has Mitch Haniger and Ben Gamel lined up for regular corner outfield duty, with Nelson Cruz locked in at designated hitter. With Cruz only under contract for one more season, however, the Mariners could envision a scenario where Gamel becomes a bench player while Martinez fills the other corner slot, with an eye towards Martinez shifting into a DH/part-time outfielder role come 2019. A Seattle/Martinez link makes only a bit more sense than the Rangers or Orioles since it’s a better positional fit, and if a Martinez contract will require some outside-the-box thinking at this stage in the offseason, one can’t rule out the team that acquired Dee Gordon to play center field.
Rockies: Or, for that matter, maybe you can’t count out the team that signed Ian Desmond last winter to play first base. Signing Martinez would send Desmond back to first, which would temporarily block prospect Ryan McMahon. Desmond could shift back to the outfield in 2019, potentially, if Charlie Blackmon left in free agency and Gerardo Parra’s club option wasn’t exercised, leaving the 2019 Colorado outfield as some combination of Desmond, JDM and possibly Raimel Tapia or David Dahl. Moreso than the O’s, Rangers, or Mariners, the Rox are my favorite of the “block a good prospect to go for it in 2019” group, though as with the other teams, payroll is also a concern. Signing Martinez would more or less rule out re-signing Blackmon, and the team also presumably needs some future payroll space available to explore a Nolan Arenado extension. There’s also added risk in a Martinez signing for a National League team given the lack of a DH spot to account for his defensive issues.
Nationals: Realistically, Washington is in the “crowded outfield” group thanks to their set alignment of Adam Eaton in left, Michael Taylor in center and Bryce Harper in right. Signing Martinez would put Eaton or Harper in line for much more center field duty than the Nats would like, as Taylor would be pushed to the bench. That said, the relationship between Boras and the Lerner family is so well-documented that one can’t ignore the Nationals when it comes to any high-profile Boras client. Plus, you could make the argument that Taylor’s presence allows for regular rest for Martinez, Harper, and Eaton, which helps the trio with checkered injury histories stay fresh throughout the season and into October. The Nats are another team facing significant free agent departures after 2018 in the form of Harper and Daniel Murphy, so Martinez is a hedge against either departing. (Which creates another interesting dynamic since Harper is also represented by Boras.)
White Sox: Like the Phillies’ signing of Carlos Santana this offseason or the Nationals’ signing of Jayson Werth in December 2010, a White Sox/Martinez contract would be the type of “stay tuned” deal made by a rebuilding team that is announcing its impending intention to compete. The White Sox have lots of payroll room, plus lineup space at DH or in either corner outfield spot — Martinez and Avisail Garcia would play every day, with Leury Garcia also seeing a lot of action and Nicky Delmonico and the players in the center field mix battling for bench duty. (There’s also a chance Eloy Jimenez could force his way into the picture sometime during the season.) Such a signing would be a bold move from GM Rick Hahn, though it may be too much of a risk at this point in Chicago’s rebuilding process. Inking Martinez would essentially be declaring that the rebuild will be over in 2019, and that may be too early a call given that so many of the promising young players in the organization have yet to establish themselves at the MLB level, or have yet to reach the bigs whatsoever.
Twins: Okay, so this one is one of those “Team X could be a fit for Martinez if they made another trade” situations I decried earlier in this post, though this one comes with some basis in recent rumors. With the Rays reportedly interested in Max Kepler, a scenario exists where Minnesota deals Kepler as part of a trade package for Jake Odorizzi or Chris Archer. With a newly-created hole in right field, the Twins then sign Martinez, who could also join the team’s planned DH rotation (especially if Miguel Sano faces a suspension). Needless to say, adding JDM would more than address the Minnesota lineup’s issues against left-handed pitching. A Martinez contract would be a big expense for a smaller-market team like the Twins, and their offseason focus has been almost entirely pitching-centric. On the flip side, the team has so little payroll committed beyond 2018 that they could feasibly add Martinez, one of Archer or Odorizzi, and still be able to afford another decent starter given the stalled free agent market.
dbacksrs
AZ Diamondbacks sign him for an incentive-based three year deal.
Kenleyfornia74
Not going to happen. In the end 100 million from Boston will be too good for him to pass up in favor of a smaller deal
Cardinals17
Unfortunately, as long as John Mozeliak is head of baseball operations for the Cardinals, it Definitely won’t be the Cardinals signing any more top tiered players!!! The Cardinals were lucky a TRADE was available for Ozuna, because they sure aren’t going to spend money on a multi year deal for a star player!!!
Nuggethoarder
Why would the Cardinals sign JDM? You do realize that both Tommy Pham and Marcell Ozuna were better overall players in 2017…and project to be better than JDM in 2018. Fowler projects to be a little closer to average than JDM. The improvement does not justify a signing of JDM at anything near what he is asking or will likely receive.
A lot of Cards fans complain about the lack of spending. They would also be complaining about bad contracts had Pujols, Heyward, and/or David Price accepted the 180-200 million dollars offered to them to play in St. Louis. Cards have made competitive offers, and were lucky they were turned down.
BackFlips1982
These people are nuts. I can barely stomach being a Cardinals fan these days. I don’t know who these people think they are.
There are fans that want to sign JD and have him play 1st and Carpenter play 3rd.. Carpenter can’t move or throw, and people still want him to play 3rd. It’s unreal the stupidity.
Cardinals17
I totally agree with what’s been said about the bad contract offers to Heyward and Pujols. Plus, about everything else you’ve stated about contracts. My frustration should not have been aired. It’s not at the team. It’s not at the organization, and it’s certainly not at any of the current roster players. My frustration is basically with one person and one person only for the past 4 years. John Mozeliak began his work with the Cardinals in strong fashion and made rational decisions such as obtaining Beltran and Bergman just to name a couple. Both for reasonable contracts and both players were difference makers. However, during the Pujols contract negotiations, Mozeliak made a ridiculously, nonprofitable offer to Pujols from the heart, not a Baseball strategist brain. However, he did obtain Carlos Beltran. After that, it seems Mozeliak changed. Few of his Low Hanging Fruit have been impactful. High dollar deals as such as Brett Cecil, others prior, and others afterwards makes people who follow the Cardinals, wonder about Mozeliak’s rational of spending money on low risk players, hoping for lightning In a bottle. Hopeful thinking. At the end of 2017, Mozeliak made a public interview which was almost an apology to the city, players and fans for not providing proper diligence in improving the Cardinals before and during the season. He made indications they needed a proven big bat ( obtains Ozuna by trade). He said they needed a proven, seasoned everyday Closer, possibly a Second big bat, and possibly an Innings eater starter. His statement was; “we have the Money. We have the resources to do this!” Indicating, insinuating, our just cooling the jets of an upset Cardinal Nation. Ozuna and wishful thinking player signings, plus unproven prospects logically can’t fill the needs he described. The money he promised to spend on proven star players has not happened. Maybe it will. We’ll see just how good Mozeliak’s word is from last season’s, year end press conference.
The Chad
Really? Is this Mo’s burner account? You are a typical Kool Aid Cardinal fan. No, JD doesn’t help but Arrietta or another bat would. Ozuna hit a ton last year because he was protected by Stanton. He will be average this year because our lineup is a joke.
brodafett
Why are you complaining about the cards not signing him??? You do realize that he has averaged 1/4 of every season on the DL right? He has only had like one season where he played ~147 games. The rest of his career has been spent on the DL for a huge chunk of each season. He is terrible defensively, and you think the cards should sign him just because he is a big name? Our outfield is very good already, and we have some good outfield prospects so he doesn’t fit there. First base doesn’t work because carp at third would be a liability he is arguably less mobile than Molina. Whatever offense we would gain from having martinez would be negated by the defensive liability combined with his inevitable time on the DL. As it’s already been pointed out we have gotten very lucky avoiding albatross contracts. Now I agree we do need to grow some balls and sign some marquee players, but not at the sake of making a “splash.” No goes after the wrong guys such as Price when he should have gone after hometown Scherzer the year before. Basically our problem is Mo picks the wrong big fish to go after and then gets lucky we don’t sign them. However, Martinez is too risky to sign so on this I actually do agree with Mo.
24TheKid
Trade Gamel for pitching depth, and sign Martinez. I would love for that to happen, but it’s not realistic.
GarryHarris
The Mariners already committed to speed in the OF. JD Martinez is an unneeded change to their plan.
saintchristafa
Why do that when you already have a JD Martinez on Discount (Nelson Cruz)
muskie73
A video posted last month showed Nelson Cruz taking grounders at first base as Seattle’s newly acquired Ryon Healy deals with a hand injury.
calltothepen.com/2018/02/02/seattle-mariners-cruz-…
seattletimes.com/sports/mariners/mariners-first-ba…
J.D. Martinez-to-Seattle is far-fetched but not outside the realm of possibility.
Willy
It’s completely outside the realm of possibility, no way in H*ll they pay JD.
Connorsoxfan
Yeah if they could get Odorizzi for Gamel and whatever is left in the minors, then sign Martinez, they would have good enough assets to make a playoff run this year, or sell off and restock the system if it doesn’t work out.
benny_the-jet7
I think the twins could be a great fit. Trade Kepler for a starter, but it’s not going to happen. They won’t spend money on pitching, no way they buy the top bat.
Ken M.
Shouldn’t the Trumbo contract be some reality check on how much Martinez is worth?
srechter
Trumbo, even at his absolute best, never had the power/patience combo like Martinez does. Even so, signing one dimensional power hitters far beyond their age 30 season for premium dollars does seem foolish in general, so there is some connection to Trumbo I suppose.
kbarr888
Orioles Trade Trumbo to The Rockies and sign JDM for 6/140……
Rockies get 55 HR’s from Trumbo (who plays 1B in 2018), and make the playoffs again.
jrwhite21
6/140 would be such an orioles move.
ReverieDays
None of that happens.
Le Grande Orangerie
Desperation on the JDM/Boras/MLBTR team, as it becomes more and more clear that a DH is going to get a lot closer to EE’s $60 million guarantee than the $150-210 million fairytale that the JDM/Boras/MLBTR squad has been pushing..
Cardinals17
Seems like the Owners are shying away from all of Scott Boras’s clients. Has he shot off his mouth too much???
czontixhldr
No, He is just asking for deals that are too long.
mikeyank55
Looks like Trader Dave played his hand too hard and now has no one to plug into DH.
GarryHarris
There’s many. Hanley Ramirez will be the primary DH. Dustin Pedroia will likely get some time there too. Adding JD Martinez to the BoSox would effectively be a subtraction by addition. They need a supersub more than a RH DH.
em650r
Is Hanley that lazy he can’t play infield ?
kingken67
How so? Martinez hasn’t signed with anyone yet and most of the suggestions in this article are far more far fetched than him eventually deciding to sign with Boston.
bouyons141
There was really no better way to play this hand. DD knows JDM hasn’t received any better offers or he’d have accepted it by now. Why should the RedSox bid higher? Obviously Martinez would be a nice fit, but it’s not as if Boston will not have any options at DH (Hanley, Sam Travis, could still sign a FA such as Logan Morrison).
Bruin1012
And the clown speaks it has nothing to do with DD go back to Yankees site and stop trolling Red Sox sites. Martinez will probably end up signing with Red Sox. If not so be it. The Red Sox will be just fine the real key to the Red Sox is pitching and how the pitching holds up.
toomuchpie
Since when is MLBTR a Red Sox site?
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
It is not. But that obnoxious troll hops in the comments of every article even remotely pertaining to the Red Sox just to annoy.
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
Go home
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
Don’t feed the stank troll. His comments never have anything of value to add, he’s just trying to get a reaction.
Willy
Not even close. You must be new to Baseball and their negotiations.
TomBradyrings
The Twins and so much sense but they don’t spend. As a White Sox fan it’s good that they are cheap but I feel it’s bad for the game they way they are doing things.
They are competing in a division with 3 rebuilding teams. As stated, they have very little on the payroll. They made the playoffs last year. This is the type of team that should he in on a guy like Martinez and a guy like Arietta. If they strike in the next cba talk I’m gonna be thinking of the 2018 Minnesota Twins as an example. The Marlins, Pirates, and Mets should get an honarable mention in not helping ease the tension between the MLB and MLBPA.
TomBradyrings
Sorry guys about some of the grammar I wish they had a spell check.
GarryHarris
The Twins don’t need an OF./DH. They need pitching of all shapes and sizes.
TomBradyrings
They won’t even spend for that. At least trade for Archer. Do something. The time is now. The White Sox and Tigers are coming and they don’t look back.
dugdog83
White Sox for sure are coming but Tigers will take a few years
ASapsFables
And nobody is quite sure what direction the Royals are pursuing including their own front office.
czontixhldr
TBR, the problem with Arrieta and JDM to the Twinkies is not necessarily the AAV – it’s the length of the deal..
Hypothetically – if the Twins sign both of those guys to the contracts that they want in terms of length, you’re looking at having them both there in 5 years and taking up $45 to 50MM of payroll. Two guys.
If they both start showing signs of decline – and Arietta already has – that is a recipe for disaster for a team like the Twins.
I’m sure if they both could be had on 3 year deals a team like the Twins would be interested – but not for the 5 – 7 years for which they’re both looking.
GarryHarris
The JD Martinez contract will be the face of the yearly award for the dumbest move by a GM.
cwsOverhaul
Negative, the flop move will be whoever signs Arrieta. Club will be lucky to get 1 good year
czontixhldr
I vote for “both”. I personally don’t think JDM is worth even what the Red Sox have reportedly offered him, and Arrieta’s velocity decline is a huge red flag..
Risk abounds with Boras clients.
badco44
Wrong, the fat boy Pablo contract tops that even thou DD can’t claim that one!
brewcrew08
I love how you there are comments about how bad the Arrieta and JDM deals will be. I didn’t realize you all knew what they were going to sign for and how they would perform?
cwsOverhaul
It’s calling a flop before it happens. On positive flip side, savvy move of offseason going to project is Cards trading for couple years of Ozuna playing great for big $$ contract.
czontixhldr
@brewcrew08
OK, you have a point. But as I mentioned above with JDM it’s what the Bosox have “reportedly” offered.
Arrieta? He scares me wanting so many years – and I can’t be alone – there must be a lot of MLB front offices that agree or he’d be signed by now.
jhowe82
Brewcrew It’s called making predictions. Nothing new to baseball talk. Commenters do it, just like front offices have to.
TradeAcuna
Hopefully the Nats so they handicap themselves acquiring players they don’t need. Best for the NL East!
66TheNumberOfTheBest
The Nippon Ham Fighters, maybe.
MilTown8888
“JDM agrees to deal with Boras Corporation. JDM will be paid the $40 million he was promised by scott boras, less whatever wage can be squeezed out of the NPB, in exchange for helping Boras save face.”
sufferforsnakes
Don’t count out Cleveland. Remember how they snatched up EE. If they can trade Kipnis it could happen.
indiansfan44
I have been saying this all winter. I think that at the right price you could see Cleveland swoop in with a deal. I don’t like the “they don’t have the money” argument at all. If they are making so little off the team that going in for 20-25M more for Martinez wouldnt still be making them a huge profit then they would of sold the team and walked away a long time ago. I think they are more worried about trying to resign or fill the massive hole in the bullpen with Miller and Allen hitting free agency next year. Problem is if they don’t do something for the outfield now then they are looking at an outfield of Zimmer Naquin Allen and Guyer next year. I would rather try to get an outfield locked up now if I could instead of having to worry about both next year.
jimmyjack
I haven’t commented on MLBTR in a year, but I can’t let “would of” happen anymore. Why do I see this so much?
czontixhldr
cuz peeple dont know speling and grammor no more.
sufferforsnakes
Speek four urself.
TJECK109
Has Pirates written all over it. Followed by Lynn.
It’s always fun to dream when you are still tied for first place.
mlb1225
I’d still be unhappy if The Pirates signed him. That would mean that they did have money, and just decided to use it unwisely.
Caseys.Partner
THIS
One year $40 million deal. Pirates would have a chance to be a playoff team if Marte and Polanco showed up and made an impact.
The Pirates have the money, Nutting wants to put that money in his bank account as always.
mlb1225
Yes, because a 40 million dollar deal on one guy for one year is gonna satisfy Pirates fanbase. They could have put that $40 million toward a Cutch extension, or other signings to make them a playoff contender.
david letterman
Arrietta will not be worth any $100 million+ offer he gets
johansantana17
I still think it’s about 80% that the Red Sox will end up with Martinez, but it’s so much fun to think about the Twins pulling off a trio of huge moves and there suddenly being another legit playoff contender in the picture.
First, Minnesota trades Max Kepler, Royce Lewis, Stephen Golsalves, and Fernando Romero for Chris Archer.
Second, Minnesota signs J.D. Martinez for 5 years and $130 million.
Third, Minnesota signs Alex Cobb for 3 years and $40 million.
The new look lineup at full-strength:
1. Byron Buxton CF
2. Brian Dozier 2B
3. Miguel Sano 1B
4. J.D. Martinez RF
5. Joe Mauer DH
6. Eddie Rosario LF
7. Eduardo Escobar 3B
8. Jorge Polanco SS
9. Jason Castro C
With Robbie Grossman, Zach Granite, Kennys Vargas, Mitch Garver, and Ehire Adrianza on the bench.
The new look rotation at full-strength:
1. Chris Archer
2. Ervin Santana
3. Jose Berrios
4. Alex Cobb
5. Adalberto Mejia
With Kyle Gibson or Phil Hughes as the spot starter/long reliever, Zach Duke and Taylor Rogers for the lefties, Trevor Hildenberger as the middle reliever, and Fernando Rodney and Addison Reed as the set-up man and closer.
astros_fan_84
It’s reasonable. The Twins need to attack while they have an easy schedule.
TomBradyrings
If the Twins had any balls they would make those moves. This would make them World Series contenders. It’s shame they don’t make those moves for the fans while they actually have a chance. The Tigers and White Sox are coming and they seem they would rather tread water with them then go for it before they arrive.
johansantana17
I agree. These moves would put the Twins’ 2018 opening day payroll at about $148.5 million, which is about $40.5 million more than 2017’s opening day payroll and about $35.5 million more than 2011’s opening day payroll. A substantial jump, to be sure, but it would likely be a one-time blip rather than the new normal. Mauer’s $23 million annual salary comes off the books after 2018, and Dozier’s $9 million and Escobar’s $4.85 million will be heading to free agency. If Santana doesn’t reach 200 IP in 2018 (which he almost certainly won’t now because he is out 10-12 weeks with a finger injury), his 2019 option does not vest and another $13.5 million comes off the books. That’s $50.35 million gone after 2018 and even with arbitration raises and replacements for those four players, payroll in 2019 is back in line with the 2015-17 trend.
With the one-time $50 million payment to the team from MLB’s sale of BAMTech coming this year, the impending free agency of three of the team’s best players, and the current weakness but likely future strength of Chicago and Detroit, if there was ever a year for the Pohlads to open up the wallet and run a team payroll significantly higher than any ever before, 2018 would be it.
czontixhldr
The problem with that lineup is that Joe Mauer might be better in RF than JDM. 😉
Willy
When was the last time the Twins signed a free agent non-Twin to a contract over $100m?? NOT happening!
Rickeo02
I heard JD will sign with the Red Sox or with Boston
dark vengeance
Aren’t the Red Sox and Boston the same team?
jhowe82
I heard the BoSox are in the mix too
mlb1225
Aren’t The Boston Red Stockings interested as well?
czontixhldr
Nah, the Beaneaters.
kenly0
The Mariners are the only team that might make sense other than the D-Backs and Red Sox. He’ll end up in Boston. Not sure why he hasn’t already signed.
padam
Mariners are a good one. Not only does everyone not know what they’re going to do, I’m sure they don’t either.
padam
Boston or Arizona. I don’t see anyone else expending those dollars he’s seeking. Personally, I think Boston is playing the waiting game, seeing if they’ll flinch. I’m sure when it’s time Boston may come up a little, but not much from what they’ve originally offered. They know his market is small, and quite possibly down to just two teams.
ffjsisk
All these guys are going to Japan. MLB teams have lost their mind. Seriously, if these execs are so smart why are they not following business 101, buy low. Why wait till next year when this years market is ripe with deals? These guys are starting to sign for bargains and nobody wants them. Unless of course, the guys holding out really are asking for the moon. Who knows. But Moose at 4/60 is a lot better than praying you get Machado for 10/300. Ditto for JD at 5/125 to Harper 10/350.
Priggs89
I’d happily take a 25 year old Bryce Harper for 10/350 over a 30 year old JD for 5/125.
Caseys.Partner
Harper for just $350 million is a John Middleton wet dream.
czontixhldr
^ THIS ^
Priggs89
If JD will take a Santana-like contract, I’d be all for letting him DH on the South Side. For $100+ mil? No thanks.
Yankeepatriot
It could be that martinez doesn’t want to play in Boston at all and that’s why he hasn’t accepted their offer
Willy
It’s all about the MONEY and Only the money.
ammiel
Why rule the Giants out of this market? they were obviously willing to blow past the luxury tax threshold when they had Stanton’s deal in place. A Jax is the 4th OF, Pence-McCutchen-JDM starting OF is much stronger, if the FO ultimately decides to fort out the $.
padam
They did say McCutchen would play the corner.
ammiel
such a crazy offseason JDM’s price could come down enough for the Giants to rethink.
johansantana17
I would love to see how many of Martinez’s long fly balls would turn from HRs into flyouts and how many defensive runs Martinez would give back in that cavernous RF if the Giants signed him. I would bet on him putting up 2.0 bWAR or less in San Francisco.
seamaholic 2
WAR is park adjusted
jekporkins
Pence-McCutchen-JDM might be a worse defensive outfield than the worst defensive outfield in baseball the Giants ran out there last year.
Willy
Because the Giants made moves once they found out they weren’t getting Stanton. They are also trying to stay under the Luxury tax threshold.
Michael Chaney
Eliminating the Indians as a suitor seems pretty short-sighted to me. I agree that it’s unlikely, but there is a need and Mike Petriello suggested a scenario in which the Indians sign him to a short-term deal to really go for it in their last year of control over Cody Allen and Andrew Miller. And the EE contract last year showed that they’re willing to spend opportunistically, even though I think it’s unlikely they’d do so again this year. But you can’t just outright eliminate them, either.
Also, the Mariners don’t strike me as a fit at all. They’ve seemingly tried to commit to getting younger and more athletic, and JDM would be the exact opposite of that.
bosoxforlife
After the way Boras stiffed Lerner and the Nationals with Wieters, I think it is reasonable to assume that connection is much less than it was.
Curtis Beale
While a long shot, I could see the Astros in the mix if he opts for a shorter term contract. Right now they have a rookie penciled in to LF that failed at mlb level last year, and a DH who hits much better when he plays the field. Looks like a perfect match for their only potential weakness!
darkstar61
Seeing those so few and not ideal options really slams two things into your head
1 – what is he thinking playing chicken with Boston over their offer? They get tired of the game and walk away…
2 – wow is Hosmer lucky that his two suitors are both unexpected entries wiling to needlessly over-exert the books not for a championship run but instead just because of who he is personally. If not for those two teams having a shared desire to sign him, and only him, because of who he specifically is, he would be in an infinitely worst position than even JD (but if I were either SD or KC, I would be getting past the point of furious being used by Hosmer at this point)
SG
Mark, this is a terrific article. One of the best baseball articles I’ve read all post season.
After reading this article I can see that it makes a lot more sense for JDM to sign with either the Rockies or the White Sox. That being said then the issue is not where JDM would fit the best but which team will win the bidding war. It’s funny to say that with the flat off season market but I think JDM has fallen to a low enough level where someone other than Boston can pick him up.
jb19
I never thought about the White Sox, but that seems like a good fit for a rebuilding team to add now in order to compete here shortly… but I don’t know about 5 years $125MM for JDM, that’s still seems high to me. Feel more comfortable with a vesting option for that 5th year at $20MM AAV… obviously a waste of time going to Darth Boras and offering 4/$80MM with a vesting option for the 5th year now.
SG
It makes more sense for JDM to go to a team he can play the field with. He even expressed that desire earlier in the season so I think it makes little sense for Boston to go after him any further. They have no place to play him. The Red Sox 3 outfield positions are locked up and Hanley is the solid DH choice for 2018. Hanley won’t play 1st because they got Moreland and when Pedroia comes back from knee surgery he will be the DH for years to come. The only possibility I can envision for the Red Sox to pick up JDM is if they move Mookie to 2B (a position he played at extensively in the minors) and then RF opens up for JDM. But Mookie is a much better RF than JDM is. So NO I SEE NO FIT FOR JDM IN BOSTON.
It’s much more likely the Red Sox pick up Nunez to play 2B and save $85M. (PS – That means I think they can get Nunez 2/$15 maybe less)
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
I believe the plan in Boston would be to just give him SOME time in left. Mainly against lefty’s as I recall. Benintendi’s not been that productive vs LHP.
cxcx
This is not the best list.
Astros are a much better choice than most of these teams. Their crowded DH situation is having their backup catcher DH. And their crowded outfield situation is not even having a starting left fielder. It’s a team everyone wants to play for. If he decided to settle for a high AAV Cespedes-style deal it would be an absolutely perfect fit.
And I like the Indians as a dark horse with a creative offer. offer him 6 years, something like $140m. More years and money than the Red Sox are offering, but back load severely so they can afford it this year. Something like $5m this year then $27m per year for the next five. The $27m for five years, while monstrous for the Indians, is not really unreasonable for a star player. They should go for it this year: they stand to lose Miller and Allen next year, and they could always trade Encarnacion pretty easily next year. They could even bat him in front of Martinez to make sure he has a monster year.
jb19
Astros FO waiver him earlier in his career. I don’t see them coming back and offering him anything. Let alone $25MM/year. With Kyle Tucker in the minors, Martinez would be blocking him and Fisher in LF. So that leaves just DH and in that lineup, Martinez is the last guy that they need to pay or give long term consideration.
KCMOWHOA
Still think it’s most likely the BoSox make some kind of reasonable concession to end the stalemate. Even 5/130 or 6/140 could get it done. Dombrowski lost a ton of ground to the Yanks this offseason and they need JDM to compete.
ASapsFables
J.D. Martinez would be the kind of veteran bat that should interest the rebuilding White Sox. Rick Hahn has already gone on record stating that he would be amenable to acquiring this type of player provided it would not detract from the team’s long term goals. Since Martinez is a free agent who is still considered in his prime at 30 years of age and does not carry the stigma of a qualifying offer he would fit Hahn’s criteria. All it would cost the White Sox is dollars.
Martinez can flat out hit. Those who can do so by also putting up a 1.066 OPS as Martinez did last season don’t grow on trees. Last year was hardly an anomaly either. Martinez has also produced a .912, .879 and .908 OPS since his breakout 2014 season with the Tigers which coincidentally was also Jose Abreu’s first season with the White Sox. As good as Abreu’s OPS numbers have been with the White Sox, Martinez’s have been even better. They would make a formidable pair in the middle of the White Sox batting order for at least two seasons and hopefully more if Abreu gets his wish and remains on the South Side of Chicago beyond 2019.
Speaking of coincidences, there are a couple more in addition to each being productive big right-handed power hitters. They are of similar age with Abreu being about 7 months older. And while Martinez is American born from Miami he also happens to be of Cuban descent. He would join a long line of such players in the history of the White Sox that include Cuban born natives such as Minnie Minoso, 2005 World Series champ rotation mates Jose Contreras and Orlando (El Duque) Hernandez, Alexei Ramirez and current young player/prospects like Yoan Moncada and Luis Robert, In addition to those players, Martinez would join yet another Miami born Cuban native in Carlos Rodon who, coincidentally, also happens to share the same agent in Scott Boras.
gomerhodge71
If the Red Sox have any common sense, they’d just take their cards off the table and go home. They aren’t signing Martinez and shouldn’t waste anymore of their time. There’s still Morrison, Hosmer and Reynolds out there to name a few.
Willy
Don’t be ridiculous. They aren’t pulling the offer and nor should they. He is the only power hitter that they want, need, especially since they don’t have the bullets to pull off a big trade.
BigB
White Sox should save the money, and make a serious run at Machado next off season..
Priggs89
That appears to be the plan
ASapsFables
It’s a solid plan but one that is less likely to succeed with so many other clubs also bidding for Manny Machado’s services. The White Sox would have far less competition if they entered the J.D. Martinez sweepstakes now with only the Red Sox and Diamondbacks mentioned frequently as destinations.
No club is likely getting a “bargain” with Machado or Bryce Harper next offseason but one is certainly possible for Martinez in the current market. If the White Sox could land Martinez it would expedite their rebuild, especially offensively were they have more question marks system wide than from the pitching side.
In addition, signing Martinez wouldn’t necessarily prohibit the White Sox from bidding on Machado next offseason. If anything, it might enhance their chances by showing they are willing to enter waters they haven’t dipped into very much during the Jerry Reinsdorf era.
nyy42
He is worth Maybe 4yr 70mil
A-A-Ron
I think everybody knows that giving him more than 4/85 or 5-100 is just silly. Not sure I’d fist pump my team giving him either of those deals, especially since it would probably be 14 mil year one, then way too much in other years
SG
Most seem to agree JDM is overpriced.
Most seem to agree JDM is a poor fit in Boston.
Wonder what’s happening with Nunez and Watson going to Boston?
Each of them are needed by Boston more than JDM.
I recall an early story where Boras thought Boston should take both Hosmer and JDM.
It looks like Boras was relying on Boston too much to take either JDM or Hosmer.
jekporkins
At this point if Martinez has dug such a grave in Boston he should be nervous to sign. Seriously, he if does join the Sox at this point he will be ridiculed and under such a microscope by Boston fans and media that he’d be ostracized before he steps on the field.
Willy
Even though it was a well written article it could have been shortened dramatically by just saying; There is NO other teams interested. LOL
Bruin1012
Spring Training is starting and if Hanley looks good and his shoulder looks good then this may cause the Red Sox to back off of JDM. I’m not saying Hanley is JDM but it is reasonable to see a big bounce back from Hanley this year making JDM less important for the Red Sox. Maybe the Red Sox will just roll with what they have and address any needs at the deadline maybe they try and add a Nunez or Watson. The Red Sox chances of repeating of winning the division are more closely related to how Prices arm holds up and there young core players having better years offensively then having JDM.
jmi1950
I agree 100%. I would add that people forget that Hanley hit 10 HRs in April 2015 and then injured his left shoulder trying to play the OF. Even with that issue he hit .286 with 30+ HR and 100+ RBI in 2016. He finally had surgery to fix it this winter. Boras is giving DD a chance to see how Hanley looks this spring before committing big $$$ to JDM.
Bruin1012
Yes I really hope that Hanley looks good in Spring Training and they back if JDM. The more I think about it JDM just isn’t worth even what the Sox seem to be offering. He may really regret not signing that contract maybe he goes back to Arizona for a lot less. I also would like to see Boras holding the short end of the stick this time would make me giggle.
Willy
Stop falling for the fake news about Hanley’s shoulders. He was supposedly hurt last season yet when the Playoffs rolled around he hit very well. If his shoulders were really hurt how on Earth did he perform in the Playoffs?
Willy
Haven’t you and everyone else learned that Hanley CANNOT be relied upon? He is a Follower, NOT a Leader. The Only time he decides to show up is in the Playoffs. Don’t fall for his fake injuries.
SG
OK, so most agree JDM is toast in Boston.
So let’s move on.
Who do you think the Red Sox need?
Not much as they are already forecast to win 91 games by FanGraphs.
So that means a likely playoff slot just as they already are right now.
Then what we are discussing is what the Red Sox need to win the WS.
Seems that pitching is the key if they get that far right?
So assuming I am correct who do they get?
Do they get someone now or do they wait for the deadline?
What’s out there this year for SP was mediocre.
And what’s left is not likely worth it considering Arrietta and Lynn had QO’s.
And I think Arrietta’s arm is gone.
He’s lost velocity and ChC let him go and got Darvish instead..
And Darvish chokes in the playoffs and has had Tommy John surgery.
So beefing up their pen wouldn’t hurt.
What do you think?
But who do they go for ?
Not much out there in the FA market in the pen.
Willy
JDM isn’t toast, he’s still an option. The Red Sox had 1 of the best Bullpens in baseball last season, other than adding a Lefty, which they’ve looked at doing, what else could they possibly do?