The Twins have acquired right-hander Jake Odorizzi from the Rays, Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times reports (Twitter link). Shortstop prospect Jermaine Palacios is going back to the Rays in return, FanRag Sports’ Jon Heyman reports. Yahoo Sports’ Jeff Passan reported earlier tonight that the two clubs had agreed to some sort of a trade. In a corresponding move, Michael Pineda has been placed on the 60-day DL to create space for Odorizzi on the Twins’ roster.
Odorizzi has been widely mentioned in trade rumors this winter, with such teams as the Orioles, Brewers, Yankees, Angels, Phillies, and Nationals also noted as having some interest in his services. It’s probably fair to assume that just about every team in baseball with a need for starting pitching checked in on Odorizzi given his solid track record and his two remaining years of control. Odorizzi recently defeated the Rays in an arbitration hearing and will earn $6.3MM in 2018, making him a particularly affordable asset for a smaller-market team like Minnesota. The Rays and Twins had been talking pitching deals for much of the winter, with Minnesota focusing on both Odorizzi and Chris Archer, who carried a significantly higher asking price due to his team-friendly contract and four years of control.
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Minnesota has been connected to virtually every available pitcher in the sport on both the trade and free agent fronts this winter, and in Odorizzi, the Twins have landed an arm that could be on the mound for them come Opening Day. Rotation help was a key need for a Twins team that had a lot of youth and question marks beyond Ervin Santana, and even his frontline status took a hit with the news that Santana will miss some time at the start of the season due to finger surgery. Odorizzi and Jose Berrios will now sit atop the Twins’ rotation until Santana returns, with Adalberto Mejia and Kyle Gibson lined up for jobs, Tyler Duffey and Anibal Sanchez battling for a fifth starter’s role and Phil Hughes also expected to return at some point during the season after recovering from thoracic outlet syndrome surgery.
There’s still a lot of uncertainty within that pitching mix, and it isn’t out the question that the Twins make another pitching acquisition (a signing or another notable trade) to further supplement the rotation. Conversely, the club could just make another depth signing or two, such as another veteran like Sanchez on a minor league contract.
More pitching reinforcements could be an option for Minnesota because it can’t be ignored that Odorizzi’s performance took a big step backwards in 2017. He was limited to 143 1/3 IP due to two separate DL stints for hamstring and back problems, and he posted a 4.14 ERA, 2.08 K/BB rate, and 7.97 K/9. While these numbers seem solid, ERA predictors (5.43 FIP, 5.10 xFIP, 4.90 SIERA) had a much more pessimistic view of Odorizzi’s performance, as a .227 BABIP likely helped keep his actual ERA in check. While he delivered a career-best 11.2% swinging-strike rate, Odorizzi also delivered the worst hard-hit ball (36.8%), home run rate (15.5%) and BB/9 (3.83) numbers of his four full MLB seasons. Baseball Reference actually judged Odorizzi as below-replacement level (-0.1 bWAR) last season, while Fangraphs rated him barely higher with 0.1 fWAR.
Since Odorizzi has been the subject of trade speculation for well over a year now, Tampa Bay could well face criticism that they waited too long to move the righty, especially given the fact that Palacios is a fairly lightly-regarded prospect within Minnesota’s farm system. ESPN’s Keith Law ranked the infielder 24th on his list of Twins prospects, with MLB.com rating Palacios 27th amongst Minnesota farmhands. The 21-year-old Venezuela native was signed in 2013 and he has a .290/.345/.426 slash line over 1303 pro plate appearances, 263 of those PA coming at high-A ball last season. MLB.com’s scouting report described him as “an offensive-minded middle infielder whose bat is a little bit ahead of his glove….He has some potential at the plate to hit for average and good extra-base pop.” Palacios’s defense got solid reviews, though the assumption was that he would eventually have to change positions due to the number of other good shortstops ahead of him in the Twins’ system; the same could be true for him in Tampa given Willy Adames’ rep as the Rays’ shortstop of the future.
Between the Odorizzi deal and designating Corey Dickerson for assignment earlier tonight, the Rays have now moved roughly $11.2MM off their books, and that number could jump to $12.25MM if another team claims Dickerson or makes a trade for his services. With their projected payroll still in franchise-high territory even after those moves and the Evan Longoria trade, it wouldn’t be surprising to see the likes of Denard Span, Alex Colome, Brad Miller, Adeiny Hechavarria, and the newly-acquired C.J. Cron all shopped before Opening Day.
Even without Odorizzi, however, the Rays still boast a pretty strong pitching staff — Archer, Blake Snell, Jake Faria, Matt Andriese, and Nathan Eovaldi are the projected starting five, with top prospect Brent Honeywell waiting for a call-up at Triple-A. Some more work is likely necessary for the lineup and bullpen, however, and it will be challenging to both save dollars and add enough talent to remain competitive in a tough AL East.
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Huh. Should solidify their rotation a bit.
At best the Twins will contend for the second wild card. They are not in the same class as the top four AL teams. The Angels will be much improved this year so there won’t be another year of only the playoff teams having winning records. The Twins have made a series of nice moves to ensure they will be in the playoff hunt again in 2018. For the Twins it is not about trying to compete with the Yankees and Astros. The Twins goal is to win the second wildcard and anything can happen in the playoffs.
thanks Capn Obvious
He’s the typical NYer expert.
Oh should go to the Cubs too says the expert Yankeeaddition. Lol
“thanks Capn Obvious?” Why did you feel the need to criticize someone’s thoughtful post? There’s constantly too much negativity in the comments section on this site.
Well that’s pretty much the internet in general for you.
I have to agree with you, I like al conin. The comment was unnessary
Thank you I agree! I hate how so many in the comments here think they’re smarter than everyone and talk down to everyone who comments
Yeah thanks
the angels lineup is improved but when you are running a 6 man rotation with 3 parts with an injury history and a new ACE who has an existing issue and wants to hit and pitch, I think people are giving this team too much credit. They are the Seattle mariners of last year. a team that made tons of fun offensive moves but didn’t address the biggest weakness.
Seattle traded for Smyly, if not for him overthrowing in the WBC, he would of helped them immensely last year. No one could of predicted the M’s having to start the most SP in MLB history due to injuries.
They might win the AL central. Only the twins and Indians will compete. The Indians are overrated as hell.
Just like the Cubs!
And the Red Sox!
Yeah, they took the Cubs to Game 7 a couple years ago and last year they won 102. Boy, they’re terribly overrated. How could any team with a great bullpen and arguably the best starting staff in baseball really expect to beat the Twins?
The Angels won’t play KC, DET, CHW 57 times this year, so the Twins might have an edge.
The Twins wont play Texas, Oakland and Seattle 57 times. You still have to beat the teams you play.
Yeah because no one can ever compete with the yankees super team. Im going to love seeing yankee fans pulling their hair out as there super lineup destroys strikeout records this year while they struggle to make the wildcard
It’s absolutely about competing with the Yankees and the Astros. What team thinks hey the season is coming up here, we’re gonna set a goal of taking home the 2nd wild card? Do the Twins win the ALC? Who knows? But saying their goal is the 2nd wild card is silly.
There rotation was more solid BEFORE they signed this guy….expected from a team that’s not really competing for first place in their division though. Just as yankee addiction stated, they are shooting for a wild card slot, and that’s very obvious to anyone who knows anything about baseball.
It was a trade not a signing, for anyone who knows anything about baseball.
Always happy to see you post FriendofBoras.
One who knows all about baseball would know the Twins need pitching. And even more so now that Santana is going to be on he shelf for a bit to start the year. One who knows baseball would also know that Twins pitching has been not good for a while now. Even last year when they did make the playoffs pitching was poor. Is Odorizzi the answer? No he’s not but this is a solid addition to a crappy pitching staff behind Santana and Berrios. They didn’t give up squat for Odorizzi so don’t rip on a team that’s making moves to improve.
seems light does it not?
There’s got to be more
Maybe a bit light, but Odorizzi isn’t that valuable. He’s a 3/4 starter who’s making decent money this year and has one more year of team control. Rays will be lucky to get one of the Twins’ top 10 prospects.
All things considered, I think it’s a solid trade for both teams. I actually believe that Odorizzi’s best days are in front of him. SS prospects are the most valuable, they tend to be the easiest to move to other positions if need be. I don’t see a negative to this deal.
Rays love to acquire shortstop prospects.
is the future of baseball just one SS and no other position players? of so the rays are set.
Typically teams like SS because their athletic ability can play in other spots
^ this
GENGHIS HAHN GO AND PUT THAT WAIVER CLAIM IN IMMEDIATELY FOR COREY DICKERSON
They are the most valuable prospects. It’s the toughest position on the diamond, except maybe catcher, but if a prospect can play SS, he can probably play anywhere on the fields, again… except catcher. The Cubs did this, continue to do this, they keep signing/drafting/developing young SS. Torres, Russell, Baez, Ademan, etc…
Not for Odorizzi. He’s not been unusually productive, and he hasn’t realized his potential. His stuff is decent, but he makes a lot of mistakes
True but you would have to expected a team to give up more, at least one of their top ten.
Yeah, pretty sure he had 0 WAR last year which essentially makes him… average. I think the return is fair
0 WAR wouldn’t make him average, that makes him terrible. He was worth about 2 wins for each of the three years before that, so I don’t think anybody expects him to be replacement-level again next year (obviously the Twins don’t), but he was well below-average last season
Good for the Twins. Hope the Rays are getting more back than a 20-year-old High-A infielder though…
it’s a 1 for 1 trade
no, it’s not.
Yes, it is.
rays having a fire sale
And HERE we go!!
*doesnt include Dickerson*
NANI?
Saturday night massacre in Tampa!!
Given what happened in Florida earlier this week, surely there’s a better way of phrasing this idea.
You’re absolutely correct… my bad…standing down.
I get the Nixon reference… these moves seems just as stupid as that one was.
No doubt, wish I had phrased the idea a little differently…not sure what the Rays end game is, if not the obvious, dumping payroll.
They have a record payroll and are trying to not have a record payroll because there is no extraordinary situation calling for one.
That being said, the team should try to start selling high rather sell lo on guys like Odorizzi. Dickerson would be a could guy to sell high on but apparently no one wants him very much…weird offseason.
They should still get something for him, he’d be a great 4th OF for the Angels, could start for the Mariners, certainly for the Tigers, Orioles could use a lefty to replace Seth Smith, Red Sox need a fourth OF with Young gone, Royals could use him…pretty much everyone could use this guy.
Why was it necessary to DFA Dickerson, if they literally made another trade minutes later?
That’s what I was thinking
cause what are they going to do with Smith span kiermaier Dickerson Miller and Cron?
this move though doesn’t open a spot for Honeywell.
it’s a salary dump
archer?
And Colome
If they managed to package Span they just cut $25 million from payroll along with Dickerson.
No way in the world the twins took on spans contract to facilitate a trade for a -0.1 rWAR 5.36 FIP 2017 player
Including 13mil for a guy worth half that is hardly breaking the bank
No span in trade
Bad news for Arrieta
Wont be long before boras is begging for a pillow contract
and for Cobb and Lyne
I wonder what the centerpiece player the twins is giving up, Kepler?
Yep your right
Nope.
Palacios for Odorizzi straight up is what the Twins have reported
I think the poster was joking…
straight 1-for-1, though? At that rate, looks like MIL (and various other teams) missed an opportunity to top a one-prospect offer to TB. I realize Odorizzi doesn’t have a ton of value but damn I would have though more than one mid=level SS prospect. Where were all the other teams at here?!?!
Knowing the Rays they probably got fleeced.
Let’s hope the Sox make a move on Dickerson.
Eggs Odorizzi
Cream soda is an underrated soft drink
Captain Morgan + Ginger Ale = Cream Soda….mmmmmm
Now THAT’s what I’m talkin’ about. Mmmhmmmm!!!!
Truth.
Still waiting for the twins to get an actual ace, not depth
For what it’s worth they were in on Darvish
Im sorry, they DFA’d Dickerson, to make room, to then in turn trade someone from the roster. So now its blatantly obvious they’re just trying to dump Dickerson’s salary.
Maybe so they can have Honeywell in the rotation, add value to their big league team with this deal and then add Dickerson back to the 40 man which could, in turn, make the Rays more of a wild card contender.
Wild card contender? Hahahah, yeah…that’s not going to happen. They’ll be battling the O’s for last place in the East.
How could they add Dickerson back … not that they even want to? He’d have to clear waivers for that to be even remotely possible
When a player is DFA’d the team has 10 days to decide whether to trade them, put the player on waivers, or put them back on the 40 man roster. If the 10 days pass then the player is either a FA (if the player has enough service time) or sent to the minors.
Yes of course. all off-season it was reported they were told to trim the payroll.
The Rays are just like the Marlins. An embarrassment to MLB.
apparently it’s JUST Palacios
I know nothing of Odorizzi, but I follow the Twins minor league system. Palacios is a highly talented prospect, both as a hitter and a fielder. Rays got value.
He was the twins 27th rated prospect and not on the radar of a top 100 MLB prospect.
And also in A ball. When they got Willie Adames from Detroit, he was not yet ranked highly. They must use their scouts and not the fan services to make decisions!!!
Right but even if they like him, it is not equal trade value. Kind of like the Paul George trade. Looks like Oladipo and Sabonis worked out for them, but it wasn’t really fair value at the time of the trade.
It was not fair value in the mind of people who don’t pay very close attention to things. Oladipo put up similar numbers to Vince Carter in college at a similar program but also carried a defensive reputation; he would obviously be good in the NBA if given an opportunity.
It’s only not fair value if they were offered a third good player on top of those two and refused him for no reason. It’s not not getting fair value if you choose to take the severely underrated player rather than an overrated player from another team who will provide less value to you. It is knowing that the valuations are wrong and being smarter that the other people in the marketplace.
EXCEPT Willy Adames was the 3rd player in that deal. He was not the only player in the deal. They also got Drew Smyly and Nick Franklin, both of whom were pretty hot commodities at the time.
Getting a low level lottery ticket that you think is undervalued is not a bad way to do business. But that is not what the Rays have done here. The Rays have not picked up an undervalued prospect, they have placed a value on a prospect much higher than everyone else. They did not get a bargain, they overpaid.
If they wanted Palacios, that;s fine. But for Odorizzi, they should have been able to get Palacios + 1-2 other prospects. Whether a prospect works or not is not the way to judge a trade. Extracting fair market value for your player is the way to judge. It is very apparent that the Rays did not do that here.
Your logic is flawed in that mlb front offices don’t use those rankings as fiat. They have their own rankings based on their own data and projections. I thought the return seemed low until I looked a odirizis numbers which aren’t great.
Yah, not sure that comparison works. At worst, Oladipo was/is an extremely athletic rotation player that’s one of the first guys off the bench (with a ton of potential to develop). I’d happily take that for 1 year of Paul George.
How can you determine whether or not the “Rays got value” if you “know nothing of Odorizzi”?
Because he knows the prospect. He’s not talking about the prospect’s value in relation to Odorizzi, just that the Rays got someone back who may actually benefit the MLB team, rather than a lottery ticket or farm system filler.
Not every valuable prospects makes the top 100.
But getting value only exists in relation to what you pay for something.
Palacios wouldn’t be a better player if he were traded for a lesser pitcher, but the Rays are setting a value point on Palacios by being prepared to trade him for Odorizzi. They are suggesting he’s worth, in value, the price they paid.
If you’re talking trade value. That’s not what jimbo was talking about. He was talking about Palaciois’s value as a prospect, not whether the Rays got a fair deal.
Palaciois is a quality prospect, formerly stuck in a system deep in shortstops. While you may be disappointed in the return, I would expect you would be at least interested in in the quality of the prospect, rather than dismissing jimbo’s view of him out of hand simply because he doesn’t know Odorizzi that much.
ONo way Palacios is the headliner, gotta be someone else heading tampa’s way. Odorizzi’s no ace but you dont get major league pitching for a guy who’s not even a top 10 twins prospect and nothing else
Judging from the Garcia, Vargas, and Cashner contracts, the cost of major league pitching is about $8 – $10 million. Odorizzi is making $6.3 million this year. His club control adds a little more value, but not a ton.
By that calculation and with 2 seasons of control, the rays are giving up $3.4-$7.4 million of value for the twins 27th best prospect. If that’s all they got then the rays got fleeced.
It seems the rays have taken a play out of Miami’s playbook
Finally moves are starting to happen.
Wyd Mariners?
Dipoto’s probably a little preoccupied making 80,000 trades a day in ESPN fantasy now that they’ve set up the new season lol
I feel like he’s been pressured out of making trades or something lately. And one other question, how does Marco Gonzalez get back a top 100 prospect, but Jake Odorizzi gets 1 top 30 organizational prospect?
I wonder if maybe he’s a little bit concerned with his job security after giving up a top 100 prospect for Gonzalez and not getting any pitching out of Smyly and a few other moves that haven’t worked out. I really like Dipoto but I kind of wonder if he’s scared that ownership has many mistakes to point out if they want him gone and that has slowed him down.
Now twins have a #2 and a few #4’s. No chance with that still crappy staff and bullpen that they’ll see a wild card slot.
They had an even crappier staff and bullpen last year and made it to the Wild Card game…
They made the playoffs last year with a worse rotation and a much worse bullpen, so your comment makes complete sense.
Santana, Odorizzi, Berrios, Gibson, Mejia doesn’t look that bad. I still could see them land one of the big three free agent pitchers left too
Since we’re making questionable decisions tonight, Rays, want to trade Archer and Colome as well?
Archer to the Phils, come on!!!
C’mon, Brewers, get off the sidelines.
They haven’t really been on the sidelines
Not for outfielders but quiet on starters so far
There must be something in the periphersls that stearns doesnt like if he wasnt willing to offer better than this
Brewers will sign Timmy to the same contract they gave Yo. If we throw enough arms at it, somebody hopefully sticks. That seems to be what’s happening.
The Rays are making moves that I was not expecting today. I am just saying is this for real.
I am surprised first designed for assignment Corey Dickerson and now they traded Odorizzi. However, good for the twins that they acquired Odorizzi.
They DFA’d him because they probably have a trade lined up. They probably arent going to just let him walk free.
I don’t believe that they get to “choose” who to trade with once they DFA him. The team with the highest “waiver claim (worst record) status” wins the claim process, and the Rays have to deal with that team……
Maybe Tampa is jealous of all the negative publicity the Marlins have been getting??
No, WE’RE the worst team in Florida! No, WE’RE the worst team in Florida!
Lol
Like the move for the Twins. Solid pickup.
All I can say is, it’s sad that a 160 inning pitcher is now the norm.
Having a hard time understanding how Palacios is the best return they could have gotten for Odorizzi. Rays’ Facebook says that it’s a 1 for 1 deal, so that’s the extent of the trade and I’m confused.
1 year left on his contract. Bad peripherals. Dealt with worrisome injuries. That drives down Odorizzi’s trade value, especially in a market that obviously now values predictive stats more than past production.
And this is the result of selling low.
2 years of team control over his age 28 and 29 seasons and has a career 3.83 ERA and 1.21 WHIP while pitching in the AL East.
Thanks for the correction on his contract status.
However,…”career” numbers is what I pointed out that teams no longer appear to highly value. Recent FIP is more indicative of future performance than overall ERA and WHIP, and that has climbed the last two seasons, along with his walk and home run rates. In 2016, he was a 3.0 bWAR pitcher; last season, he was -0.1 bWAR.
If the Rays had traded him last year, yeah, they would have gotten a good return.. But teams aren’t going to give up a top prospect for a pitcher who could be useful for a couple of seasons but also could be declining.
Good on the Twins. Not sure if he will be the same 3.50 ERA guy he was a couple years ago, but its an improvement nonetheless. If they were to sign a SP then i think they would be in a good spot for a WC. Maybe someone like Alex Cobb would be a good fit.
It’s not Darvish or Archer, but the Twins are better than they were this morning. Nice move.
The Rays are drunk and 28 other teams (-Marlins) are calling about Archer and Colome.
Brewers: “a keg of Spotted Cow + PTBNL for Archer? It’ll keep your buzz going…”
I mean you never know with prospects but this is as lopsided of a trade as you’ll see. Congrats to the twins I guess.
Instead of expanding, why don’t they fist try to find competent management/ownership for the teams currently in the league.
I took some heat from Rays fans a couple weeks ago for saying Odorizzi would fetch two marginal prospects, but he’s got limited team control and he’s below-average, so it shouldn’t be that surprising he didn’t return much. I like it for the Twins, though- he’s an upgrade over Mejia for the back-end. If they sign one of the three free agent pitchers out there, they should be back in the jumbled WC mix
Was really hoping the crew would get him, but oh well. Nice move on the Twins’ part!
The price on Cobb, Lyne and Jake Arrieta are going down with less places to go
That’s true, twins could still use one, Phils basically just said no, same with yanks, so it’s really the crew, twins, maybe angels, orioles, maybe nats, stretch but maybe the rockies, all fighting for 3 with the crew leading the pack now as the one team with the most need yet still clearly contending. At this point my guess is that Brewers get one, Nats get one, and either orioles or twins get one.
I think the Twins are done and The Orioles just signed a SP the Nats are already over the tax with Harper and Murphy FA next year and with signing Jake Arrieta,Lyne or Cobb would mean paying the player and then 2× that in penalty I don’t see Washington signing someone unless it’s a 1 year deal
with the Twins, Toronto, Baltimore and NY Mets bringing in SP to fill out there rotation it’s bad news for Jake Arrieta, Lance Lyne and Alex Cobb but good news for the brewers and the few other teams that are looking for SP price is dropping
it shocks me the amount of rays fans on here are surprised.
odorizzi has only been rumoured to be dealt all off-season. they’ve only reported that the team has been told to trim payroll yet people are shocked that they are trading or designating guys with money.
pay attention folks. can’t wait to see colome or archer towards the deadline.
The return is super weak. They are still thinking in terms of having a competent front office. They’ll absorb the new normal soon.
I’m not an Odorizzi fan (don’t hate him either), but getting him and slotting him in as the number three when Santana is healthy makes sense.
Makes even more sense when the Twins only give up their fourth best SS prospect in order to do it.
For the price this is great.
The Twins fleeced the Rays. Twins fans should be ecstatic. His numbers likely will improve in that division too. He has a #2 ceiling and a #4 floor. Solid for such a light return.
The amount of walks and homers last year scare me, but I’d still want them to do this trade 10 times out of 10.
Should be one less rotation slot to fill with question mark 5th starter types. Which the twins have no shortage of.
Odorizzi just had a replacement level season. His floor is replacement level or worse.
I wouldn’t get too hung up on WAR with pitchers. He pitched 140+ innings of league average ball in 2017, with above average results the two years prior. It’s a definite upgrade for the Twins rotation at the cost of their 4th best SS prospect and a fringe top 30 organizational. .
Decent signing of odorizzi.
Brew still won’t pay for JA let alone give the Cubs a draft pick. If the Brewers were smart they sign Cobb before another team does. Market is shrinking quick.
as a brewers FAN I don’t want Jake Arrieta I believe that he is starting to decline in play Alex Cobb is the SP I wanted the brewers to sign all of season I would think 4years 50 MILLION 12.5 MILLION a year at this point I don’t see Cobb or Lyne getting more than that and Jake Arrieta I think won’t get a contract that go’s past 3 year’s
I agree Cobb is what we need, then Lynn, then Arrieta. Don’t want a slightly better version of Garza (in terms of result of contract, arrieta is still clearly better than Garza.
That would mean they should wait, less competition means less bids to drive his price up
Makes me think that the Rays are gonna hold onto Colome and Archer. They probably had a payroll number in mind and needed to get rid of $10 million in order to get there. Better to sell Odorizzi and Dickerson for a song than selling Archer and/or Colome for less than their worth.
Twins might not be done, Archer?
I hope they aren’t, but expect that they are.
Palacios is an intriguing prospect but not one I’d trade a decent MLB starter for straight up. Very good move by the Twins. He was a bit buried on the organizational depth chart behind better prospects in Lewis, Gordon and Javier, Puzzling on the Rays part, though they do like to target underappreciated SS prospects (like Adames, Robertson) but are outsmarting themselves here.
With all the hype of the cost of starting pitching via trade, you’d think they would have at least got two players in return. Not a great trade at this time for Tampa.. so I guess that means they can send Archer to my Phillies for a bag of peanuts and a player to be named later lol
Wow that’s all…wonder if the Orioles inquired at all
Be a shame if they didn’t deff could have used him maybe the rays did it wanna trade within the division though or maybe our (orioles) front office and owner are just bad lol
Ya know though, the twins have a new GM. Odorizzi isn’t Archer or another top tier starter but to give up just a #27 prospect for him and also sign Addison Reed for the bullpen for a mere 2 year deal, he really hasn’t done half bad with the small moves he has made. From the twins perspective they still could add another arm in free agency and this trade is a good deal on their side
My money is on Tillman being the next add
clearly a case of the Rays trying to outdo the Marlins
Maybe Manfred twisting the arm of teams like Marlins, Pirates And Rays to disrupt the FA market or face reduced revenue sharing dollars. None of these returns make a lot of sense and could have yielded far more at The Td if players like Jake who had a strong September were given a chance to recover value
padres just signed Hosmer
Between this underpay for Odorizzi and especially the Dickerson DFA, it is more apparent to me than ever that baseball needs to move out of Florida completely. Both franchises are just a mockery of the sport.
Now the Rays just need to Archer to the Cubbies for Russell and we’ll be ready for the season
Why in the world would the Cubs want Archer for Russell
Because it upgrades their team…
Russell is highly overrated. I don’t get the fascination with him.
the Cubs do not need another sysryer. archer is overrated and if anyone goes, it should be Baez
Same could easily be said about Russell/Baez…
This is fantastic. With so many quality SS prospects already in the fold, the Twins made a phenomenal move here. No he isn’t an ace but they just improved their rotation a lot and gave up somebody who likely would have been buried on the depth charts anyway. Great move Falvey! I’ve enjoyed the Twins offseason so far and I could see them still making one or two moves. Still players in the Lynn/Cobb sweepstakes and probably some sort of RH bat. Then they can compete for that second WC spot or a prayer chance at the division.
If the Twins gets Cobb they are a legit threat. Also have that huge farm about to burst.
prospect is going to the rays, not back to the rays.
Archer, Snell, Faria, Andriese, and Eovaldi = pretty strong rotation? What am I missing here? I would actually consider that a pretty weak rotation.
This has become the winter of the trade, teams are trading more than signing over priced free agents to fill out their roster. The average player is no longer going to get a lot in free agency. Only the top players get paid like Hosmer. The smart GMs are trading for players.
Pretty incredible move for the Twins. If all the Twins wanted was a mediocre prospect for Odorizzi, wish the Braves could’ve pulled off a deal.
No idea why the Orioles didn’t try to swing this deal. Other than the sheer incompetence, I mean.
Yes, moves like these really exemplify how utterly horrible the Orioles FO is from top to bottom, and also show how shrewd the Twins one is. Giving up no one for a guy who’s going to give you 30 starts of decent quality? Bravo Minnesota.
Palacios is a pretty good get for a back end rotation piece nearing free agency. Don’t know if O’s have anyone similar.
Pretty rare to see teams trading within their own division.. that’s why
You don’t normally trade to teams in your own division
Consiguieron un lanzador que te asegura 10 o mas victorias que con buena ofensiva pueden ser mas 15 porque su ERA, no es mala, aunque tiene cierta tendencia a lesion.
Tuvieron que dar a un prospecto que tiene poder de extrabase,puede batear buen promedio,aunque es muy malo corriendo las bases,pero es muy joven y puede aprender.
Dada la necesidad de los Twins de un lanzador estable,y los Rays que reciben un buen prospecto bajan la nomina, y que Odorizzi sera agente libre la próxima temporada, se puede decir que fue buen cambio para ambos equipos!
Not a Twins fan but this is a decent pickup.
Wow. Last week reports are talking Kepler and now it’s a 1-1 deal for a high a baller that the twins do not need. Nice
I think the Kepler chatter was as part of a package for Archer….
in restrospect, they should have traded him after 2016 coming off his best season and with 2 years of control..
certainly a good deal for the twins to give them a serviceable starter which they sorely needed.
There seems to be a lot of shock in here about the deal. Palacios isn’t a top prospect, but with so many teams checking in on Ordorizzi, I think it’s clear what was being offered was a lot lower than most people expected.
Odorizzi’s peripherals are flat out BAD and the Rays were willing to work from a position of low value. It says a lot about the Rays’ confidence in Odorizzi at this point.
From the Twins’ perspective, I find the move rather baffling. The Twins do not need a back end starter. They have plenty to choose from. Is Odorizzi worth Palacios? Sure. I’d pull the trigger on a 5th starter for a fringe short stop with some questionable track record, but it doesn’t solve a need for the Twins.
There is a potential Palacios adds some weight and power to his frame and the pop he showed in Cedar Rapids last year becomes more real. Palacios has the range, and could potentially develop into a starting shortstop, but obviously, there’s a lot of risk there.
I see this trade as a win for the Twins, but more of a risk/salary dump of $10M over the next two years for the Rays. Another bad season and they couldn’t have given Odorizzi away.
I disagree on the “Twins don’t need a back end starter” point. Odorizzi slots in at three, when Santana is healthy but their April rotation was looking like Berrios, Gibson, Mejia and two open spots.
Yes they needed, and still do, a true number one or number two, but I do believe they needed someone like Odorizzi or a Cobb/Lynn. Cobb and Lynn are probably a step up from Odorizzi but it’s not a giant step. It’s not like either are a one or two.
There’s a decent chance someone besides Santana gets injured early in the season or in spring training so that will be another hit to their depth when that happens. The result would be even more crushing without a trade for Odorizzi. The Twins depth is better than last year, but some of it won’t be up until like June at the earliest.
If everyone was healthy, two of Sanchez, Hughes, Slegers and Jorge would have been guaranteed for the April rotation. Now that only happens if they lose someone in spring training. I don’t think Gonsalves makes the opening day rotation and Romero was an even longer shot due to health and lack of innings last year. He’ll likely be on a limit this year.
The Twins used 16 SP last year. The bottom 11 or 12 of the bunch combined to pitch in 50 something games and gave the Twins an 8 ERA. If Odorizzi gives them 28 to 30 starts at even a 5 ERA that would be a massive improvement (sadly) and would allow them to use fewer of those worse pitchers. Odorizzi was absolutely needed and I’d argue it wouldn’t hurt to even add another.
Good move by the Twins.
Seems like the Rays sold a bit low on this trade. You mean nobody offer a better deal than let’s be honest a fringe prospect. Not even 2 fringe prospects? Hey would have fit in Seattle and the Mariners could have given up 2-3 fringe prospects. Nice pick up for the ztwins
They must have been desperate to free up some cash. But with Odorizzi coming off his worst big league season, coupled with the fact that Jake Arrieta, Alex Cobb, and Lance Lynne are all available for likely pennies (or at least quarters) on the dollar, the market is truly a buyer’s one.
For two years of control, I agree, the Rays should’ve gotten more. This is a fair price for a one-year rental.
That’s a heck of a low sell. Times is hard.