2:33pm: Lincecum is “deep in talks” with Texas, with an expectation that the sides will finalize a deal, per Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports (via Twitter). Passan speculates that Lincecum could move to the pen and perhaps even compete for the still-open closer’s job.
That general plan would appear to fit the Rangers’ desire for multi-inning relievers.
10:54am: Free-agent righty Tim Lincecum is nearing a decision on where he’ll attempt his comeback, according to a report from Jon Heyman of Fan Rag. The Dodgers and Rangers are two of the final organizations being considered by Lincecum, who is said to be weighing major-league offers from those and other clubs.
It has seemed for a while that Lincecum would earn a 40-man spot after putting on an impressive showcase. Certainly, though, it’s notable that multiple organizations are angling to land him after he sat out for all of 2017. Heyman notes that the 33-year-old received “some interest” from most of the teams that watched him throw.
Lincecum’s days as an ace are a distant memory at this point; since the start of 2012, he owns a 4.94 ERA in 654 innings in the majors. He already scuffled in one comeback effort following hip surgery, with a mediocre showing with the Angles in 2016. Indeed, it really was not even clear whether Lincecum would play again until recently.
Clearly, then, interested organizations are basing their assessment less on Lincecum’s past — glorious though it was — than they are on observing his current ability levels. What’ll be most interesting, perhaps, is to see whether Lincecum is able to command not only a meaningful guarantee but also a real shot at earning a rotation spot. It is not known what the veteran hurler is looking for in choosing his next team, but he seems to have enough leverage to make the potential role a real factor.
giantsfan8
As a giants fan – I wish him well but don’t pick LAD
snotrocket
As a Giants fan I’m conflicted. It would hurt to see him in Dodger blue but he is terrible and would most likely make them worse, much like Sergio Romo last year.
One Fan
Why you fear Lincecum?
claude raymond
One Fan, he doesn’t fear him. He wants to see him do good. He wants to root for him. But then he’d have to root for a Dodger.
Btw, if you’ve followed the Giants as I have for a LONG time, you’d know that one of Lincecums biggest drawbacks, baggage if you will, is his meddling dad.
He always had criticisms of the giants coaching when his son was with them. I’d be willing to wager dad still is involved. That contributes to the giants reluctance.
Giants get tons of criticism for their sentimentality with players and for keeping and paying some too much. Cain, Huff, etc. you’d think if that were true then they’d likely sign Lincecum. So I think dad has something to do with them not.
Just a theory. I’m probbbly wrong.
seth
So his dad was Lavar Ball before Lavar Ball was Lavar Ball.
claude raymond
Kinda
Deke
I think SF over used Lincecum. Look he was a wonderful pitcher but he’s also a smaller guy so I just don’t feel like he should be throwing as many innings as say MadBum. Honestly I think SF broke him. AND I’m a Giants fan.
Also I think SF won’t sign him because they won’t want to have to release him if he isn’t doing well. They do find it hard to let people go which is their great thing about SF and it’s also a bad thing about SF.
nostocksjustbonds
Lincecum’s unique delivery required an exceptional amount of athleticism to pull off. He could do it when he was younger (there’s a reason they called him the “Freak”), but eventually, with the workload he had, his body (w/ its slight frame) just wore down. He also had some injuries that affected him, though that was mostly towards the end of his run with the Giants. Starting in 2012, he lost enough velocity and control (which was never elite) that it allowed batters to lay off the deadly change-up and sit fastball.
I’d need to see what adjustments he’s made to increase the velocity, but I am skeptical as to how he could sustain it as a starter going forward. In all likelihood, he’d best be used a reliever, perhaps a multi-inning guy if he keep the velo up.
wkkortas
Comparred to Lavar Ball, Lincecum’s dad is more like Lucille Ball.
Cat Mando
“I’d need to see what adjustments he’s made to increase the velocity,”
The velocity he showed in the showcase…91-92 average (with one scout saying he touched 93 once)….velocity in 2012 and the start of his decline…91.5 average (91.4 the next year)….the velocity he showed in his 2016 showcase…90-91 average. Not a lot has changed.
claude raymond
I disagree with the overused argument. He had always been a strikeout guy. Not a pitch to contact guy. High pitch counts were his doing. Just my opinion. His usage was no different than other starters. Giants had a good bullpen in lincecums good years and they were liberal with using them
claude raymond
Knuckle Head Ball
Sk8rboi
Ate you comparong Chris Lincecum to Lavar Ball?
dimitriinla
I’m thinking O’s actually. But hasn’t he in the past had a preference for the West?
Kenleyfornia74
As a Dodgers fan i dont want him picking LAD either
claude raymond
I don’t want him with giants
SabrinasDaddy
Do not come to LA! We don’t want him, from a fans perspective…
velorum
“mediocre showing with the Angles”
BlueSkyLA
He did much better with the Saxons and the Jutes.
baseballpun
The Parabolas?
BlueSkyLA
That was acute one.
SimonSwings
Right?
Rickey O'Sunnyvale
Rather obtuse if you ask me.
wiggysf
Hyperbola.
BlueSkyLA
Now we’re really going off on a tangent.
eelektrik
I don’t get that either.
Calling Lincecum in 2016 mediocre is an insult to mediocre pitchers everywhere.
xabial
Finally some good news, after Burger suffered Achilles rupture, and MLBPA launching a grievance into Athletics, Marlins, Rays, Pirates, after investigation. into those teams’ spending of revenue sharing dollars,
fljay73
Rays spend league avg 56.6% of revenue on salaries so good luck on the union on winning that grievance with the Rays
fljay73
& signing bonuses
majorflaw
“Rays spend league avg. 56.6% of revenues on salaries . . . “
That’s not the point, the question is what the Rays do with the revenue sharing $ it receives.
It was understood at the outset that the Rays and other small market teams would have less revenue to spend than the Yanquis, Dodgers, etc. That’s what the competitive balance funds are for, to help small market teams like Tampa compete with larger market teams by making up for the inequality of revenue.
If Tampa spends the same % of its revenue on salaries as the Yanks— Tampa will be outspent by many millions of dollars. Making up for the differences in team revenue is the exact problem the competitive balance/luxury tax was designed to “fix”. Whether it has succeeded is a question for another day.
Deke
Excellent point. If they are being given money by other teams, then they should be spending that money on players or return it to the league.
outinleftfield
There is a major flaw in your logic. If they are spending the percentage of total revenue that most teams are spending, then they are obviously already spending the revenue sharing money on player payroll in the same ratio that they are spending other revenue. The MLBPA has no case when it comes to the Rays if they are indeed spending 50+% on MLB payroll.
czontixhldr
I think his point is that all the revenue sharing money should be spent on player payroll, but I’m not sure that’s accurate.
Dodgethis
It’s not just for player salaries. It’s for the team. The problem is when the owner just pockets the money as profit. They could use it for lots of stuff, including front office salaries, stadium/field upgrades and maintenance, etc.
majorflaw
“If they are spending the percentage of total revenue that most teams are spending . . . “
But are they? That stat—% of total revenue, you would think it should/would include the competitive balance payments but it may not. Plus it’s a somewhat complicated situation. A team should be paying 100% of its competitive balance funds towards salaries. If the team is doing so yet still ends up at 56% of revenue to player salaries that means the team is actually paying a much smaller % of its pre-competitive balance funds revenue towards salaries.
“There is a major flaw in your logic.”
As I apparently need to say from time to time, been using this ‘handle’ for approx twenty years now. In all that time you’re the first person to recognize the humorous element. No, really, you are the first. In all that time it never occurred to me either so thanks for that 😉
Michael Birks
Good luck to him
horrorluvr
Knowing my Dodgers, he’ll be in blue before too long.
justinkm19
Won’t have a chance to pitch there. He’ll be in TX
lopezar5
Hey…… if he’s a dumpster fire but beats the Giants then I’m good with LA picking him up.
Z-A 2
Big Time Timmy Jim, better nickname than bed wetter.
claude raymond
Speaking from experience??
Z-A 2
Google or youtube ESPN nicknames.
Kwflanne
Welcome to the Padres Timmy! Another reclamation project for Balsley, with hopes of him gaining some value by the trade deadline (highly unlikely)
mlb1225
I’m a bit surprised he’s receiving major league offers.
Bocephus
You and anyone else in their right mind.
sufferforsnakes
He better sign fast, before teams come to their senses.
lowtalker1
It blows my mind that he got an multiple mlb offers. Especially after his come back attempt last time.
Minor league pack with invite to spring training
bigkempin
Probably because you didn’t see him throw at the showcase? His fastball was reportedly hitting 93 and his curveball looked good. Teams probably also feel he won’t sign unless he gets a major league offer. A team has nothing to lose as the offer is probably at or near the ML minimum.
Adolpho67
Hope Timmy gets going soon! Nice to hear about someone who loves the game and is doing everything he can to return. Unlike these other FA’s still looking, Lincecum is gonna take somebody’s job because he isn’t turning down offers based on past performance.
acarneglia
I wouldn’t mind letting him compete with Montgomery for the 5th spot in the rotation.
mcase7187
If he ends up in Texas then he can kiss his career good bye that’s a home run park and he’s already has that problem he doesn’t need anymore help
Phillies2017
Let’s see how much money Lincecum gets before we judge it, however I don’t understand why a team would give a 33-year old starter who hasn’t been very good since 2011 major league money while nobody would place a claim on Joan Gregorio (a top-20 org. prospect for San Francisco) at the league minimum.
Deke
Well look at it this way. Say someone throws an offer at him of 1 million a year plus incentives. One million isn’t a lot of money for a team and the incentives are only if he plays well. It’s a pretty low risk move for a guy that is showing more velocity than his last comeback attempt.
Realtexan
What other teams are wanting to sign Timmy besides the Rangers and Dodgers?
terror661
It would tarnish his legacy to join the Dodgers. Although he semi did already by playing for the Angels. But the Dodgers is over the line, not to mention he more than likely won’t succeed so what’s the point? But if it’s between the Rangers and Dodgers it’s a no brainer. One is a hitter friendly park, the other a pitcher friendly park, not to mention a lot nicer place to live. No knock on Texas but Southern California is a lot nicer spot to live for weather, food, things to do, overall way of life. Tax rate is much higher though but Timmy was overpaid half his career by a lot so idk if money would be a factor. If it’s between those teams and the contracts are remotely similar, it will be the Dodgers, without question.
Dodgethis
Uh, socal is a crap hole. Nobody wants to live there unless they are involved in tv/movies/entertainment due to the opportunities. The weather is awful, the pollution is awful, the real estate is vastly overpriced. Most people don’t realize that California is a desert and they put water from outside to support the state. LA is overpriced and filled with illegal aliens and morons who think they should be everyone’s moral compass. No real American would chose to live in socal.
filbert10 2
First argument ever against SoCal, where weather cited as main reason.
BlueSkyLA
Please don’t feed the trolls.
martras
I’d like to see Lincecum do well, and obviously he’s shown something in the 25 pitches he threw… but it remains to be seen if he’s able to sustain the velocity improvement over 100 pitches like he’ll need to be a starter again.
The fact he has any MLB contract offers on the table is impressive.
mlb1225
Even if a team is looking for a cheap, swingman-like option, there’s other, more reliable options they could spend their money on. Especially if they want to give someone a major league deal.
woolcorp
“Clearly, then, interested organizations are basing their assessment less on Lincecum’s past — glorious though it was — than they are on observing his current ability levels. ”
Doesn’t sound like Jon Daniels to me!
Coal tender
It shouldn’t “sound like Daniels…” but it seems Daniels is taking on a new point of view of where the Rangers will be in the next five years – down!
charles stevens
I’m not sure Doug Brocail is a good match for Tim. Come to think of it. I’m not sure Brocail is good for anyone.
mcdusty31
If he can come back and throw gas in a relief role and become our next Morrow then welcome aboard “Big Time Timmy Jim”
kcusgnikcufsregdod
This is just Heyman stirring the pot, again. To make headlines and get his name thrown around. Lincecum has always struggled in the heat. Cant see how going to LA would do him any good. He wants to rebuild his value and prob stay low profiled. A small market club like Oakland or Minnesota on a 1year deal makes sense. Seattle would be a good fit too.
Coal tender
Oh my, waiting with baited breath! Are you kidding me – down to the Dodgers and Rangers? Stop the presses when this “has-been” has been signed!
lowtalker1
Must be desperate
BStereo9
He’s worth the long shot gamble at 1-1.5 million for a year, for a lot of teams that just need someone to eat some innings at the #5 spot or a rotating 6th man. Worst case scenario- he’s trash on a trash team trying to get a draft pick. Best case- he does decent and you can trade him to a playoff hopeful with an injury hole. Obviously, he must have had a decent showing or he wouldn’t be getting so much attention.
Jerry Handy
Needs stay home finished
dynamite drop in monty
Is that what they call a home school graduation?
jb19
Rangers seem to have no idea what they are doing this offseason. Kind of the definition of throwing everything against the wall and staying with what sticks…. Hamels, Minor, Moore, Lincecum, Colon, and all the other washed up has been a they’ve signed this offseason.
Senioreditor
THANK GOD THE DODGERS DID NOT SIGN HIM!!!!!! This will undoubtedly be the best move they didn’t make this season.
BlueSkyLA
Yeah especially since they already got Tom Kohler.