The Rays are set to host a press conference this afternoon to announce that they’ve settled on a preferred site for a new ballpark, per a report from Steve Contorno, Zack Sampson and Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times. Hillsborough County commissioner Ken Hagan tells Contorno that the Rays will seek to move the team from St. Petersburg to Tampa — specifically a site on the outskirts of the Ybor City neighborhood near the Channel District.
“I’m hopeful this will continue to build momentum on our effort to bring the Tampa Bay Rays to Ybor,” Hagan says, adding that an announcement on the design of a new ballpark could follow in the near future. Generally speaking, the proposed new site would seemingly be more accessible to fans in Tampa (which has a larger population than St. Petersburg) as well as those in surrounding suburbs and cities, given its proximity to public transportation and major highways, the Times trio notes.
While the upcoming announcement is a definitive step forward in what has been a seemingly interminable process for the Rays in their quest to move out of one of the sport’s most antiquated facilities, there are still numerous hurdles to clear. Notably, financing for the construction of a new stadium must still be pieced together. A corporate campaign led by local businessmen will be announced today as well, and the number of sponsors and ticket packages the Rays can generate through that endeavor will impact the expected outlay. But, a price tag on the stadium can’t be ascertained until the design is finalized, and that process is still ongoing, per the report, in part due to the cost of a roof serving as a something of a roadblock.
It also remains to be seen exactly how much Rays principal owner Stuart Sternberg is willing to commit to the financing of the stadium. Contorno and his colleagues report that the county initially “scoffed” at Sternberg’s suggestion of $150MM, deeming it too small a sum considering a projected cost of upwards of $700MM in total.
The point should also be made that determining a preferred location does not guarantee that the team will eventually break ground at that site. One need not look any further than Oakland as evidence of that fact; the A’s back in September made a similar announcement, touting the Peralta Community College District in Oakland as a viable spot for a new facility and appeared poised to move forward in gaining private funding — much like the Rays are set to do now. Just three months later, though, the district’s board of trustees shocked the A’s by passing a vote to halt the negotiations with the team.
Even if the Rays avoid similar landmines, the process of finalizing the design, generating the necessary funding and navigating the logistics of a construction undertaking of this magnitude will not be a short one. Hagan says that the hope is for the financial component of the process to be sorted out before the end of 2018. The Rays would not actually be on track to play games in the new stadium until 2022 or even 2023, per the Times, and they’d still owe the city of St. Petersburg some back pay in that event for breaking a lease with Tropicana Field that currently runs through 2027 — a sum of $2-3MM annually, depending on the timing of their theoretical move to a new site.
reflect
Was hoping they moved to Orlando where I live. But oh well. At least Tampa is a lot more accessible…
And it should make a big difference to the team if they actually move there.
jekporkins
I really hope they get this done. The team and whatever fans they have deserve a better place to watch a game than that dome of shame.
thegreatcerealfamine
Cue the posts about moving them to Montreal…
d3rasp
im a die hard Rays fan since 06 from Montreal and im happy about them resolving the issue and staying in the Tampa area. We do not care if its Tampa or Expansion, we just want a team back eventually. Go Rays until the pipe dream Expos come back.
juicemane
more likely to be Las Vegas along with division realignment
d3rasp
I belive Manfred a couple a years ago suggested he needed 2 teams in order to expand. He mentioned Mexico City and Montreal. Vegas and Montreal sounds good on paper.
itslonelyatthetrop
I want this to happen, but then no one would get my name…
sufferforsnakes
It’s lonely there because nobody wants to go to the ugliest ballpark in baseball….and I mean that in a nice way.
itslonelyatthetrop
It’s a basement.
sully51
Which is why Miami is always empty.
balloonknots
True it’s hard for beach goers to pay for entertainment when I rather sit in my pool with large screen tv and watch the game with 90 degree humid weather.
I do go to about 20 games per season at the trop. It’s not terrible and I’m not sure I can bear an outdoor stadium in the sun thru summer months!!
Beer and Sun need a cool water to survive.
I have fallen sleep at half time in the sun at Ray James – and yes I tailgate at the trop too as I usually bring about 30 family members, portable grill and the ever popular dominos table. Go Rays happy with channel side if it gets done.
Otis26
Agreed. I live in Orlando and getting to the stadium in St. Pete is a pain. Plus, let’s face it – it’s a dump. And yes it rains a lot in Florida, but there’s no reason on earth the stadium shouldn’t have a roll-back roof.
Djones246890
Completely agree. I mean, it’s also fr i ggin Florida. A ton of nice, sunny days, too.
Yet, the developers thought everyone would be happier playing (and watching) baseball in Grandma’s dingy basement. Lol.
spudchukar
Hard to see how the Ybor city site won’t cause parking issues. But otherwise a cool area. Great for the funky area though.
dangleswaggles
To be fair, that stadium was built in the 1980’s.
AUTiger7222
Yep. Built in the 80s when they were trying to get the GIants to move there and then the Mariners were on the verge of moving there until 1995 when they surprisingly made the playoffs and beat the Yankees and had enough fan support to get funding for a new stadium.
Hello123
I like the rays stadium now it has a nice atmosphere and it’s in the right spot and it has no windows so I can forget it’s a day game so I forget where I am and I can change my phone time to 7:00 when it’s really 1:00 so I think it’s a night game and then I can go to get players autographs signed and sell them back to the stadium for 1,000 dollars I love that oh yes I love that yes indeed the stadium is perfect don’t change it or I will becomes and Mets fan ok? You here’s me? Ok? Ok? Alright I hate you too. Like tbh the rAys should stay where they are they have one of the best fan bases expect everybody that is a fan has no money sadly maybe they should give out money free to go to games that would better themselves
amprelly
You should use more punctuation.
sufferforsnakes
Not to mention actual proper grammar.
Free Clay Zavada
Hello?
Djones246890
Is it me you’re looking for?
thinkblech
Maybe try the decaf instead?
steelerbravenation
Gonna depend on how important the team is to the economy of the area because if this deal doesn’t get done I can’t see them staying in that area past 2027 when that lease is up.
I know their situation is a little diffrent because that stadium was built years before they actually got their team but what do teams and mlb think when they look to build a stadium ? Marlins stadium is in a horrible place. The Expos ballpark was in a horrible spot too and i really think baseball could thrive in Montreal should they get a team and a stadium in a proper place close to the city if not in the city.
San Antonio I believe could sustain a MLB team.
I also believe a team in Connecticut would bring a little bit of competitive balance in MLB by adding a 4th team to the NY/Boston Area there is more than enough of a population to support a 4th team but with MLB’s stupid regional rules it probably would never happen.
I believe the competitive balance gets looked at in the wrong way between big market teams and small market teams. Instead of looking to move some of these small market teams to other small market places they should be finding away go eaqualiy fro he big market teams. If Chicago & LA can sustain 2 teams than the New England area combined with the NY area should sustain 4.
geejohnny
So taking a team from a state of 20 million to a state (Ct) of 3.5 million that, by the way is dominated by Bosox fans, makes sense?
gorav114
That market is all O’s fans, gtfoh
ReverieDays
San Antonio barely supports their Double A team.
lowtalker1
They are about to be a triple a team
astros_fan_84
MLB could put a team between Austin and San Antonio. Two of the biggest cities in the country and the spurs are the only pro team.
Adam Patton
Moving the team to Ybor would cut 45 minutes each way from an Orlando Fan’s visit to the Ballpark. Additionally Orlando visitors would be more willing to travel there. The Trop is what it is, it would not be as empty if it was picked up and Moved to Ybor. It is simply demographics. To the west of St. Pete, you have the whole I4 Corridor, to the east you have the Gulf of Mexico, pretty, but low population density. I would guess that this move would put over a million people into a reasonable driving distance to the Stadium.
aloliver16
The Trop has always been a terrible facility, but the fact Tampa Bay still couldn’t draw after playoff seasons is very problematic. With Longoria gone, the team will have yet another losing season, and the attendance will be even worse. The Rays desperately need to build momentum to help with public support. Nobody knows where the money will be coming from to build a new stadium, and the low buyout figure on the lease agreement should worry Rays fans. Right now, I’d give the Rays a 25% chance of staying in the Tampa Bay area.
dynamite drop in monty
Ugh I have to take a shower after just thinking about Ybor City. Grimy ass dump
i miss orsillo
Adam, I think you had your map upside down buddy. The I-4 corridor is northeast of St Petersburg and the Gulf of Mexico is to the west of St Petersburg. Trust me, I live here.
themaven
Building a ballpark on a peninsula was a pretty stupid idea to begin with.
Would the Ybor site would involve a lot of infrastructure to make it accessible?It seems a bit cut off from the interstates that are near it..
Anything would be an improvement and the Rays definitely need to tap into the Orlando market as much as they can.
Adam Patton
not sure the exact location but there are 2 toll roads that cut through Ybor that make it much easier to get to.
themaven
tampabay.com/data/2017/11/10/what-could-have-been-…
pacman alan
Would that particular Ybor site work? Sure it can. But only if you completely tear down the public housing projects right across and build it somewhere else. Where else would people park? I’d feel sorry for the people who call those projects home, but hopefully something better can be built for them nearby.
lowtalker1
It’s not that building a ball park anywhere in Florida is an issue. It’s more about location. Miami loves their baseball but they rather watch it on tv
Tampa aka st Pete is a bad location in a ran down part of town. They need to either get it in a better location within the area or just move to Montreal
tigertom0210
Did someone say Vegas?
geejohnny
Not that I know of. Are you in a corn field hearing voices?
lowtalker1
That would never happen. They just built a nhl arena and they’re working on a football stadium. A third league wouldn’t pass but nba would since they already got a hockey arena
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Gonna happen sooner than you think. Nhl and nfl is only the start. Not that anyone cares but they got mls and wnba here in las Vegas too. MLB isn’t far off.
timyanks
owner needs to pay 100% of the new stadium. no reason charging taxpayers that have no interest in baseball or any other events at the stadium. i can’t get the local government to build me a house if i pay part of the cost.
Bocephus
You young whippersnappers stop jumping rope in my driveway
timyanks
i don’t jump rope on dirt driveways
steelerbravenation
Yes it would pull a fan base from 2 strong baseball cities of course the fan base would not establish right away but long term it would easily maintain & no the St Pete area in not a 20 million population
geejohnny
I said state and the population base which is increasing. Long term viability much better.
steelerbravenation
Your house doesn’t produce revenue for the community like a stadium does. I do agree the owner needs to pay most if not all but don’t compare it to building you a house that just sounds dumb the stadium has its pluses being in a city creates jobs & pumps money into the local economy a city definitely has benefits to a city
start_wearing_purple
Actually a lot of economists believe adding a stadium in a community ends up costing the community far more than any potential revenue. The rationale that a city spending on a stadium that it adds jobs and revenue to local businesses tends to be based on theory and rarely backed by any hard data.
steelerbravenation
Until I see that hard data and hard data that proves it doesn’t than that’s when I will believe it. Some economists will fudge the numbers to meet an agenda but you tell me one sports team that built a stadium in a city over the last 20 years whose economy didn’t improve.
I live in Jersey and the damn soccer stadium in Harrison even improved their community ten fold and it’s a damn soccer stadium. It’s all about location and proximity to the population. St Pete is not a viable place for the Rays it is mostly old ppl with fixed incomes in that area if the stadium was built in Tampa with easy access for ppl from Orlando than it would be much more successful.
And don’t get me wrong I am not under the belief that attendance is the tell all be all of baseball economics. You need to be in an area where going to the game becomes an event where it brings out ppl that want to buy season tickets as more of a status symbol than even as a die hard fan. Teams want the blue collar live & die fan at home watching the games on tv so they can get the advertising money and they want the corporate sponsors eating up the tickets for the white collar ppl to go to the games and spend the money as if it’s a social event & not a sporting event. St Pete doesn’t provide that.
start_wearing_purple
A 1997 study by Zimbalist showed the city of Balitmore gained 3 million per year in revenue and jobs but cost 200 million upfront and that didn’t include upkeep the city was required to pay. Similar effects happened in Oakland and Cincinnati.
A 2015 study by Noll showed that cities like Seattle and St. Louis are still paying off obsolete stadiums. Noll’s study even shows most models fail to take into account that most of these stadiums will take 20 years to pay off and have compounding interest.
Those are only 2 studies done out of dozens by reputable economists.
steelerbravenation
I lived outside Bmore in the early 90’s while going to school & then moved back there from 2001 until 2009 & that report you quoted must be exactly what I said about meeting agendas because anybody in that area during that time could tell you that before Camden Yards that area was horrendous. Now the area outside of the harbor is still not as good but the actual Harbor is a beautiful popping place to go to not only enjoy a game but to make a night out of it you really picked a horrible example. Also no way any study involving Oakland could be reliable it was a diffrent economic world when that stadium went up. I would need a little more up to date study than 1997 this is a diffrent world we live in.
timyanks
it’s only fitting they change the name to st petersburg rays.
timyanks
being that they play in st pete now
Gwynning's Anal Lover
The search is over. I found the address on Google; 1 Tropicana Dr, St. Petersburg, FL 33705. Bam!
antsmith7
They should move to Orlando!
dangleswaggles
Orlando is hell.
gorav114
Yup. People that think they should move to Orlando must live southeast becauee Orlando would be near impossible.
Erik Trenouth
Scouting out a good spot on Google Maps, wouldn’t just northeast of the Amalie Arena, where the Lightning play, make a whole heck of a lot of sense? There’s a huge, what looks to be great brownfield development opportunity. A lot of parking. Light rail. Good freeway access. Decent residential density nearby. Some hotels already there, etc.
Probably is too good of a spot, and therefore too expensive. But strictly from a good location and available opportunity, it seems to be great.
camdenyards46
It does
pacman alan
There’s a flour mill there and they’re not budging unless the city builds them a new factory and gives them land and access to the rails in another location. Not to mention other cash considerations. They’ve basically been holding downtown Tampa hostage for years.
Yankeepatriot
That pinball ballpark needs to go away for good. I hate it when the Yankees play there lol
Paul Heyman
Brrrroooooocccckkkkkkk Leeeeeeesssnnnnaaaarrrr!
xabial
Tell him to buy a part of the Rays. They seem vulnerable.
Marlins also seeking investors.
Pick of the litter.
Caseys.Partner
“Latest On Rays’ Search for Taxpayer Dollars”
There, I fixed your headline for you.
lowtalker1
Come on rays move to Montreal it makes too much sense
gorav114
Montreal Devil Expos
AM21
Baseball needs to eliminate about 6 teams, not keep building stadiums for teams that can’t draw anyway…
gorav114
What if one of the six teams is your favorite team? Still ok?
prdrnyc
Maybe my view on new stadiums is a bit old spirited. But I feel the owner should pay for the stadium entirely or at the very least 60%. Why should it be a burden to the taxpayers to cover the cost for a stadium they did not ask for? But why anyone thought putting a stadium in a retirement city like Saint Petersburg was a good idea is beyond me. The Rays should be playing in Orlando anyways. Surrounded by highly populated cities in the center of tourist escapes like Disney and Universal it would be ideal if they were in Orlando. Especially with so many displaced Baseball starved northerners.
timyanks
snowbirds leave when baseball starts
prdrnyc
I lived in florida for 7 years and worked at disney world, twice! They never leave…
SupremeZeus
Never will be built at that site.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
The rays and Marlins need to be retracted. Montreal expos can be the Marlins and the rays move to Vegas after the 2019 season. They are building a new stadium for the 51s..so they could play there til they build a ML most likely next or close to raiders stadium.
bradthebluefish
The Rays should be able to have any stadium at any location… as long as they pay for the whole thing. No more government handouts!
timyanks
yes, a floating stadium, built in tampa’s bay
bballanalyst
I always thought a perfect location was off of I75 and near I4 intersection. Moving to Ybor City is going to be a nightmare with traffic, since baseball plays 6-7 nights a week. Plus, those fans coming from the south (Bradenton, Sarasota, Port Charlotte, Ft Myers) are going to like to take the extra 45 min- 1 hour to get around to downtown Tampa; they’ll lose attendance that way. There are open plots closer towards I75 that would be still close to Tampa, close to interstate, easier for Orlando fans, and easy for fans coming from North and South of I75. If it’s not convenient to drive to, people do not come. This is why the Braves wanted to move away from downtown to begin with.