10:00pm: Some Boras clients, it seems, will participate in the union’s camp, per Ken Rosenthal (Twitter links). He quotes Boras:
“A question arose as to where our clients would work out. Our clients will certainly take advantage of the union facilities as their schedule allows. Where they work out is a individual choice based upon convenience. Understandably, the camps do not allow our training staff to attend and many of our clients are comfortable continuing their [Spring Training] routines and preparation at one of Boras Corps facilities.”
Feb. 8, 1:46pm: The MLBPA camp is taking shape. Rosenthal reports (links to Twitter account) that it’ll be held at the IMG Academy in Bradenton, Florida. Here are a few additional details that the union has provided in an email that Rosenthal obtained:
- Bo Porter will lead the proceedings; no personal trainers will be allowed
- the union is arranging travel, housing, per diems, and insurance
- camp will open next Wednesday and run through at least March 4th
Interestingly, some players under contract are expected to partake before reporting to their respective organizations’ camps. That’s intended as a “show of support,” says Rosenthal, but at present it does not sound as if any players intend to miss any time with their teams.
Importantly, clients of Scott Boras are not expected to participate, per ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick (Twitter link). The super-agent, who represents many of the top remaining free agents, says that he’ll continue to rely upon his and his clients’ own resources “to make sure our players are prepared when they reach agreements.”
Feb. 7: With more than 100 players unsigned in the week before Spring Training is set to kick off, the Major League Baseball Players Association is laying the groundwork to host training camps for free agents, reports Tim Brown of Yahoo Sports. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic tweets that a Spring Training for free agents “will happen.” Meanwhile, Brown’s colleague, Jeff Passan, tweets that a camp for unsigned players could kick off as soon as next Tuesday — the same day that many pitchers and catchers around the league will begin reporting to their teams’ respective Spring Training camps.
To be clear, while there are indeed more than 100 players that logged 50+ plate appearances or 20+ innings last year who remain unsigned, not all of those players would be reasonably expected to sign a Major League deal even in a more conventional offseason. MLBTR’s Free Agent Tracker for the 2017-18 offseason reveals 110 players who’ve not yet agreed to a deal, though nearly half of the players on that list seem unlikely to sign a big league deal either due to poor performance, lack of track record or injury. That said, there are still as many as 50 fairly clear-cut candidates for Major League deals, plus another handful of borderline options that could go either way in most offseasons. It’s not clear exactly how many free agents would attend a voluntary camp for unsigned players.
The union, according to Brown, is eyeing locations in both Arizona and Florida, with Bradenton’s IMG Baseball Academy one potential location. The MLBPA is also trying to find coaches and other personnel to help staff the facility and create an atmosphere that resembles a traditional Spring Training setting as closely as possible.
If (or perhaps more appropriately, when) a training camp for unemployed players ultimately comes to be, it’ll mark the first time that such measures have been necessary since 1995, when unsigned players organized a similar camp during MLB’s most recent labor stoppage. ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick recently took a look back at that ’95 training camp, speaking to D-backs hitting coach Dave Magadan, who was one of the free agents that participated in the camp, about the experience.
walls17
what a joke
tculkin1
Why?
walls17
its pathetic
394gwynnale
Island of Misfit Free Agents
tculkin1
Explain your reasoning
joparx
Why are people mad at players for working out? Every player works out year round, look what happened to Zach Britton, injuries are part of the game and they are just gettin ready for when they do sign…I don’t get why everyone gets mad when players want more money but are cool with billionaire owners holding onto their money…who cares what jd Martinez gets paid, I just want to see good baseball…owners arent lowering your beer prices based on player salaries
brewcrew08
I don’t care if they want more money. I care about continuing to hear players and agents whine like 5 year olds. That’s great you feel like you’re worth 200M vs 100M doesn’t mean you’ll get it.
gorav114
Where was Britton when he got hurt? At the Boras training center!
ChiSoxCity
It is a joke, if you think about it. Guys like JDM expecting a $210MM contract prior to the off-season was crazy. Even Arietta looking for $180MM. It’s a sign that things have gotten out of control, and the market had to correct itself.
Teams are tired of overpaying mediocre players in free agency. The average to above average players want more money to perpetuate the current financial structure.
wrigleywannabe
not all of them are unsigned because of that
bluejays12345
It’s not a joke. What these guys don’t sign deals. Before spring training starts, what are they supposed to do, go home sit and watch tv and wait for a team to call them with an offer? Come on man. This is good. Ur a joke for thinking this is a joke
BrewersMVP08
They have made offers and they turn it down thinking they’re worth the moon when they aren’t. I’m sorry but I’m not giving JD Martinez 125 million.
brucewayne
That’s exactly why it’s NOT collusion !
wrigleywannabe
and it does not make the camp a joke. again some players are nor unsigned because of money
Randy Red Sox
Why don’t they just form a couple teams of their own and enter the Japan league?? Do they think the 2018 MLB season is not going to go on without them?
baines03
the whole point of this is to be ready for the season. your rationale makes no sense.
SoCalBrave
@BAINES03 what happens if they get hurt? do you think JD, Hosmer, Moustakas, Arrietta, and the other players that have a legitimate show at a MLB deal will risk an injury prior to signing a contract? This is just a publicity stunt by the MLBPA
wrigleywannabe
it’s been done before. they ate arranging insurance. players get hurt working on their own, too….it doesn’t change a thing
SoCalBrave
insurance on what? they have no contracts to insure. Maybe they’ll have insurance that covers medical expenses, but nothing that’ll cover potential earnings.
jb19
JD Martinez “settling” for $125 MM is a joke… your a joke for thinking this isn’t a joke!
wahoomaniac
They’re trying to be professional and stay at the peak of their game. If they were on the couch doing nothing, you’d be ripping them for that. Just admit you hate players making money that you could only dream of.
greatdaysport
Can you imagine if Boras let his players participate? They’d start talking amongst themselves and figure Boras’ strategies don’t apply to today’s circumstances. And they would probably jump ship.
wrigleywannabe
right, because they can’t figure it out on their own
TheHammer16
Good concept but I doubt unsigned players will want to go out and possibly get injured with no contract stability
skip 2
Spot on hammer16!!!!
wrigleywannabe
they would working on their own…
ssacaffrey
You do realize that all the players are doing this already? If you show up for spring training without doing anything you are behind everyone. Drive by one of the spring complexes in AZ you will see about 30 guys already throwing bullpens and hitting.
TheHammer16
Training and playing live games are two totally different things bud
ImACubsFanSoWhat
The article didn’t say anything about playing live games, did it? I can see situational scrimmages, but unless they’re playing games FA vs FA I can’t see it happening.
andrewgauldin
110 free agents.. there’s plenty of players to scrimmage eachother
wrigleywannabe
it’s not going to come to that. It’s not expected to last that long
andrewgauldin
Might as well make a whole new facility for these free agents as if there was a 31st team, especially if this offseason is the new norm. Next year I’m sure will be different, but the. Again, it’s not like anymore than 5 teams will be competing for Machado/Harper etc. I feel like this will be the new norm unless players start reducing their asking price. Thank you sabermetrics.
milkman
Once teams reset the luxary tax it should but much more free. But i think massive 10 year deal days we have been seeing are gone.
morgannyy 2
So true
brewers214
have them play spring training games for free let’s see how that turns out
nats3256
To be fair, everyone plays spring training games for free. The first checks are not cut until opening day.
dwhitt3
But they’re under contract. In this case, they’d have no contract guarantees
pustule bosey
yeah but they are essentially trying out – doing a showcase
24TheKid
So the players first complain that Spring Training is too long, and now that some of them have the chance to have a shorter one, they don’t want it.
wrigleywannabe
did these specific players complain?
the difference between too long and drastically cutting seems to escape you
Yankeepatriot
Might as well make an expansion team In Vegas with the free agents
anarchoburrito
Honestly? That team wouldn’t be half bad.
tylerall5
It’d be pretty good tbh. Darvish, Arrietta, Cobb, Lynn as your top four with a lineup of JDM, Moose, Hosmer, CarGo, Carlos Gomez, etc. it’d compete.
Free Clay Zavada
They’d have to pray that injuries don’t happen, but if they get lucky, it’d be a good squad!
HayMazer
The free Agent Expansion Team would cost too much.
JrodFunk5
Good call Hay! At what those players are asking, they would cost $300 million a year and still not be able to compete with the Astros, Nationals or Yankees.
pustule bosey
in all honesty, I think you kind of do need an expansion team – i really doubt all these guys are playing come opening day. Even with price drops I don’t think there are enough landing spots for all these giuys, I am sure the darvishes and arrietas will get signed but not so sure that the moose’s and hosmers will.
wrigleywannabe
that’s not due to no spots. they want unrealistic deals
RegularJoe62
There’s not enough pitching in the league now.
iverbure
You know what’s going to happen to appease the players while the owners still make bank so they’ll agree? Expansion. I don’t really think it’s a good thing but it’s quite obvious to me this is where this is going though. Good for the city of Montreal.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
The MLBPA should be begging MLB to expand to 32 teams.
80 new members and it would help to ease the current oversupply issue, creating more demand and thereby raising wages.
IACub
Given the soft salary cap I don’t see expansion creating a wage increase, just more teams offering similar contracts
jrwhite21
Creates a jobs increase though, by nature raising demand. It could very well result in a wage increase.
wrigleywannabe
nope
padam
Or just get real owners in Miami where they don’t gut the team.
Brewersnation
You maybe on to something, interesting idea to think about
ac106
Expand to 32 teams
Radically realign to 8 x 4 team divisions
Eliminate wild cards. 8 team playoff
Best of 3 Divisional Series
Best of 5 Championship Series
Best of 7 World Series
Cut the regular season to ~120 May 1 – Sept 1 with Mondays off +day/night double header on Sundays
Wrap up post season by Mid October
Reduce mean game length to 2..hours 20 minutes
citizen
not a bad idea, though that would mess up stats. imagine judge or harper only hitting 25hrs a year, if they are lucky, due to a shortened season. the stats era would reset itself.
bosox90
Had me for a bit, but got a little too radical there at the end. They are always going to have wildcards, purely because the MLB would absolutely want to avoid the very real possibility that if the best two teams in the entire league were in the same division, one would sit out the entire playoffs.
They could also go closer to the NHL and have four 8-team divisions:
AL EAST: BOS, NYY, TOR, BAL, TB, CLE, DET, Charlotte (expansion).
AL WEST: SEA, HOU, TEX, OAK, LAA, MIN, KC, CWS
NL EAST: NYM, WAS, MIA, PHI, ATL, CIN, PIT, Nashville (expansion)
NL WEST: LAD, ARI, SD, SF, COL, CHC, STL, MIL
Would be pretty wild! Stick to eight team playoff with four division winners and four wildcards, that way three teams in the same division could conceivably make it. Keep the current 5-7-7 format with no wildcard games.
HayMazer
Why Charlotte and Nashville?
greatdaysport
Not fair to western teams travel wise. The teams in the east leagues can take buses to a lot of their games.
Western or California league with no expansion would be A’s, Giants, Angels. Dodgers, Padres and Seattle.
brucewayne
Seattle would still travel more than any team in MLB !
cjuluca
Montreal and Las Vegas
wrigleywannabe
how are you cutting games to that short ?
ac106
3 simple things:
1) eliminate warmup pitches for relievers barring injury
1A) time clock for relievers getting to mound
1B) managers have to signal to the bullpen immediately when leaving dugout or a change cannot be made.
1C) Relievers have to face 2 batters
1D) limit mound visits to 2 max per game unless a pitching change is made (including catchers) **** absolutely no reason for more that 2 non-change visits
2) batters must remain in batters box or +1 strike
2A) pitchers cannot leave mound. or +1 ball
2B) pitch clock if 2 + 2a doesn’t stop the stupidity
3) reduce time between innings, do not increase for national games.
GAMES USED TO BE THIS SHORT! What are watching now is not the game that existed for 100 years. Up until the mid to late 80s the average game about about 2..5 hours. Millennials don’t realize what a lousy product they are watching because they were never exposed to how it’s supposed to be.
Rallyshirt
IMG is a very nice facility. B-town is a little rough.
LumberJerk9Billion
That is very true on both statements.
xxbooradley
Thanks Obama
padam
I wonder if Trump is going to address the unemployment rate in MLB…
morgannyy 2
I guess the Dems might finally get off their hands
Kayrall
Even when invoking satire, political skew on a baseball discussion only leads to misery.
gooddumps
Island of the Misfit Toys — waiting for Santa to arrive.
padam
That was good.
thegreatcerealfamine
*And unoriginal* Billy Ripken said that on MLB network last week…
Warren B
Like your username… stolen from Seinfeld.
Kayrall
Haha
thegreatcerealfamine
Not stolen but leased Sal..Who are you supposed to be the slow Warren Buffett?
LumberJerk9Billion
If it’s in Bradenton, I hope it’s open to the public. I’d love to see this disaster with my own two eyes.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Even if it’s not, the Pirates are right there.
LumberJerk9Billion
Indeed. The only reason I would ever need to go to Bradenton. I’m about a half hour north of there and a pirate fan so I will be finding myself there a number of times during spring training.
wrigleywannabe
what makes it a disaster?
scottstots
Top expansion Cities in no particular order. Montreal, Portland, Las Vegas, Carolina, New Orleans, Indianapolis, and Calgary.
scottstots
Let’s add 1 team to all 6 divisions!
scottstots
Montreal ALE, Carolina NLE, New Orleans ALC, Indianapolis NLC, Las Vegas ALW, Portland NLW
66TheNumberOfTheBest
For some reason (great logo?) everyone (including me, BTW) wants Montreal to get the Expos back, but it really doesn’t make sense.
The Canadian dollar is so weak that Quebec City was denied an NHL expansion team and hockey is king there. Between the currency issue, the Expos not drawing well enough before and the massive taxes, I don’t see it happening.
Vegas, Charlotte and maybe Nashville are the cities best positioned to support MLB baseball.
scottstots
Montreal is desperate for baseball Toronto is one of the richest teams… If they get a team they will have a ton of sell outs. Also I have read reports from people in Portland who are pushing to get a MLB team and obviously Las Vegas wants one… I just want to see more teams and more players.
chesteraarthur
If they get a team they will have a ton of sell outs
source?
Gwynning's Anal Lover
John They
wrigleywannabe
they couldn’t support the Expos.
Expansion would be a farce.
iverbure
The nhl was denied Quebec City because Bettman has an agenda to make the owners as much as possible. That’s why they went with expansion in Las Vegas because of the ungodly amount the nhl got for expansion fee. They are going to do the same to Seattle.
Go thing for Quebec is they already have a nhl size rink so when Arizona or Carolina or Florida has to move Quebec will likely be a top choice.
therealryan
I’m not sure if you haven’t been paying attenting here, but the same thing is going on in baseball and every other sport. Baseball’s revenues are at an all time high and player salaries have been dropping.
davidcoonce74
Portland would love to have a baseball team but its voters basically have passed a referendum saying that absolutely no taxpayer money can be used to finance a stadium for a private business, so they’re out. Indianapolis is a bad choice- the city did a study several years ago that discovered most Indy residents already have “their” teams, either the Reds, White Sox, Cubs or Cards. The Tampa Bay problem, where there are more Yankees fans in the city than Rays fans.
Montreal makes sense; the reason why they did poorly before was because the stadium was literally falling apart around them.
Las Vegas makes sense except MLB would be opposed simply because of the gambling issue.
davbee
I live in Portland. No such referendum has been passed here.
davidcoonce74
Hmm, sorry. I stand corrected. I could have sworn I’d read that elsewhere.
The Oregonian
Actually, Oregon already approved a $150 million grant for the purpose of helping to finance a MLB stadium years ago, which is still available to be used.
brucewayne
Why ? You can gamble on MLB anyway !
padam
Calgary. They won’t open the season until all-star break.
chesteraarthur
Carolina is a city?
misports
City so nice they named it twice
CubsFanForLife
Indianapolis already has a AAA team, but I suppose those are easier to move.
brucewayne
Oklahoma City?
johnmillerjones
Austin, please!!! Largest city in the U.S. without a pro sports team
ScottySmalls25
After Vegas for an NHL team that is thriving and with the Raiders going there, I could see MLB looking to cash in on the idea. Montreal is a good idea too. In any case I think expansion is a good idea. There are more NHL teams than MLB teams, that doesn’t make sense to me. Let’s add! Harper, Bryant and Gallo would all support the Vegas idea I’m sure
brucewayne
There would almost have to be a dome for Vegas! It sure would be hot in summer for MLB !
wrigleywannabe
God, no
sportsfan101
I love seeing players over the age of 30 not get over paid. Congrats MLB I’m fine with no baseball if it means players learn they don’t deserve 30 mill to play a damn sport.
dwhitt3
So the owners should just get richer. Players salaries aren’t rising, but ticket prices aren’t going down.
ducksnort69
This logic is definitely mystifying, but surprisingly prevalent. Guess that’s why a small handful of corporations can keep consolidating every industry and a reality TV “billionaire” becomes president. Good times…
Col. Taylor
Welcome to the Oligarchy
wrigleywannabe
nope, Clinton lost
wrigleywannabe
better than a community organizer or crooked lawyer
realist101
From 2004 through 2017, total Opening Day payroll has increased at an average of about 6% per year. Looks like this year will be roughly flat: can’t really say for sure with so many free agents still left to sign, but probably somewhere between -1% and +1% compared to last year. fangraphs.com/blogs/mlb-payroll-might-decrease-for…
Awfully tough to call that any sort of trend until we see what happens after 2018 and then over the next few years. Not only does the FA class after 2018 a lot stronger than this one, but so is the FA class after 2019. Headliners after 2019 are names like Altuve, Rendon, Arenado, Sale, Bumgarner, and Goldschmidt
So it looks like after this year we’re going to have two straight free agent classes that each have around 5 or more players who are all better than any single free agent this year.
czontixhldr
$1.00 in 2004, adjusted for inflation, would be $1.33 today.
You can calculate yourself here: data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=1&year1…
$1.00 in 2004, growing at 6% per year, would be $2.13 today.
Players salaries have gone up way more than the rate of inflation, just as MLB revenues have.
One wonders how much longer this can continue, because fans’ revenues have not gone up at that rate.
Kayrall
Very rich people getting richer shouldn’t be the issue. The disproportionate luxury tax to revenue allows for little growth. It’s not like the big spenders aren’t at or near the tax line…
strostro
Team manager: Joe Girardi
Pitching coach: Rich Dubee
strostro
^ Hitting coach: Barry Bonds
Cam
Don’t let Tony Clark run it – he can’t even do his bread and butter job properly.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Good for them. Getting in baseball shape, sharpening their skills and showing they are ready to play will help them get contracts.
Making idle threats of boycotts that violate the CBA won’t do that.
This is a smart move by the union. First in a while.
milkman
most players say spring training isnt even necessary for them to be ready to go
davidcoonce74
They’ve obviously done this before and it turned out fine.
Marytown1
Dodgertown, here comes your next suitor. Lol.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
alexmiller6677
MLB needs to put a team in Puerto Rico. Think of how huge an MLB team there would be, and what it would do for that nation.
tylerall5
Imagine the travel costs that team would have though
ImACubsFanSoWhat
Would it really be that much different than Miami?
brucewayne
70% of the island still doesn’t have power
iverbure
There’s will be a team in Mexico long before there’s a team in Puerto Rico
cman
Yeah no way that happens first. The average Mexican makes like 5500 dollars a year down there. That will not support a team. PERIOD.
iverbure
Given that the commissioner has said he would like to expand to Mexico I’ll take his opinion over yours. He hasn’t mentioned expansion to PR at all. The teams don’t make their money from ticket sales, it’s all tv revenue.
The Mexican cartel is the biggest concern for the mlb as the safety concerns in Mexico City are very problematic to mlb.
samthebravesfan
You pretty much just said why it wouldn’t work. And we’re talking about a commissioner who thinks that adopting international rules of free runners in extras for the All-Star Game is good progress.
cman
Yeah and I see all of your down votes and we see what everyone thinks about what you think 😉
MegaJman
All TV revenue? Lets look at the Cubs AVERAGE ticket price of 150 bucks. Their AVERAGE attendance is 39.500. That comes to about 6 million dollars per game X 81 games = 486 million dollars NOT including food and merchandise.
Boi34
Lol that will not happen
MegaJman
Puerto Rico is not a nation. Puerto Rico is okay for tourists and the wealthy, but absolutely sucks for average income people living there and would find it hard to fill a stadium at MLB ticket prices. They are poorly governed and corrupt which is why you saw so many issues during the last hurricane. The mayor of San Juan is only one example of how stupid they are.
neo
He’s not mean-spirited; he’s just from NYC. It’s a form of flattery.
neo
The Winnipeg Mosquitos
CubsRebsSaints
If this “freeze” continues closer and even into the season, wouldn’t there be a deduction for time missed? And wouldn’t that in turn, make it smarter for the free agents to sign up before they’re pay could be altered from time missed?
Solaris601
I remember in ‘95 it wasn’t just a camp, but a small league for unsigned free agents and recently retired players, and I think it was called the Sunshine League or something like that. It didn’t last long, but it was definitely interesting to see that dynamic unfold
em650r
Expansion is needed along with DH Rule in NL
Kayrall
No.
cman
Yes.
WubbaLubbaDubDub
No no no DH.
lowtalker1
Repeal the dh in the al
PhanaticDuck26
NL accepting the DH is more likely than the AL relinquishing it.
ImACubsFanSoWhat
Agreed
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Doesn’t make it better.
NL > AL.
cman
Move Tampa out of Florida to Charlotte. Put a team in Nashville, Oklahoma City or Indianapolis. Move the A’s to Vancouver, San Jose or Seattle. Consider a team for Vegas or San Juan. If the Marlins continue to draw dead last in revenue move them out of Florida as well despite the new stadium.
Problems solved. You have 32 teams 16 in each league. DONE
lowtalker1
Two teams in Seattle? There isn’t a market
Vancouver ? Lol better off Montreal
cman
Huh? Vancouver is not the same market as Seattle. If you believe that your delusional.
lowtalker1
What? Dude said put a team in Seattle but yeah Seattle would fight it
You’re delusional
jakem59
You words, verbatim:
“Move the A’s to Vancouver, San Jose or Seattle”
brucewayne
I think Oklahoma City or Memphis would make for good expansion cities.
south suburb sox fan
Only Montreal currently has a stadium large enough for MLB. However, Olympic Stadium should only be an interim facility, like RFK Stadium in DC was. A new Montreal stadium has been discussed for years. There are some nice designs online.
wrigleywannabe
no
therealryan
I can’t imagine a scenario where MLB decides to pull out of the 3rd largest state with the 5th fastest growing population and leave 2 of the top 18 US metro areas without a team. If the Rays and Marlins move that is exactly what would be happening. I could see MLB adding a 3rd team to Florida before either the Rays or Marlins leave the state.
Rex Block
No. Just no. The DH is an apostasy.
jakem59
It’s an abandonment of religion?
jd396
I say eliminate all 14 expansion teams.
wrigleywannabe
expansion is not needed. why would it be? Do you want more Oakland and Miami type teams ?
jleve618
This sounds like a terrible idea.
jagonza
Why not buy a triple A team and field all the free agents ? Or independent ball.
cman
Start another league. Really put your money where your mouths are.
jakethesnizake
Man do I hope we have a Roger Dorn moment at some point during this that is caught on camera.
youtu.be/ICZ06gYpu6w
siddfinch1079
Do you think April is too early for a Lucas Duda night?
cman
$5 Says this turns into a strike by mid season.
iverbure
5 bucks says you don’t know how the CBA works. Ok I win. Where’s my 5 bucks.
thefenwayfaithful 2
I normally side with the players in these labor disputes, as ownerships usually are being stingey with the profits. However, in this case, I don’t get it. The holdup is that teams are waiting for the dominos to fall. If JD Martinez signs for 5/$125 (which is what he will wind up doing more than likely), and Hosmer signs for 5/$75 that sets the market for everyone else. But these players are being ridiculous. Martinez is the best hitter on the market ,but this year thats like being the best 3 star restaurant. Its still pretty good, but you’re not going to eat the back end of a contract the way you would for a Harper, Machado, etc., who are all free agents next season anyway. I think if the Red Sox give him 5/$125 as has been reported, the last $50 million won’t be worth 10. Its already overpaying for past performances.
The sooner Boras & co. get this, the sooner his clients can get to Spring Training. If Boras holds out too much longer, I think the Sox will take a shot with LoMo and leave Martinez hanging, looking at a 1-3 year offer from the Diamondbacks and saying what happened to my market.
Edwin Encarnacion – Part 2.
nashvillecardsfan
Why would Hosmer settle for 5/75 when he has multiple 7 year 9 figure deals on the table?
thefenwayfaithful 2
Sure, if you believe Scott Boras. As of right now, unlike Martinez, Hosmer has 0 confirmed offers and only 2 confirmed serious suitors in KC and SD. I highly doubt, given the nature of the free agent market to date, that if there were 2 7 year 9 figure offers on the table for Hosmer, he’d have jumped at one by now. More likely, both of these teams (who are both unlikely to give 9 figure deals to begin with) have 5-6 year offers on the table in the 75-90 mil max range and Hos is waiting for someone to tack on the 7th year and go 110 total.
I tend to become wary of these unconfirmed reports when the market is this slow and supposedly these are sitting on the table for weeks? Hard to believe.
mike156
This is a good idea and shouldn’t be mocked. Union spending union and not team funds to keep their constituents in game shape. Fine with me
nashvillecardsfan
It’s a great idea, until a pitcher gets hit in the head by a line drive and is concussed, and then it isn’t. Get the $$ first. It’s why Boras is keeping his players away. Why chance it?
wrigleywannabe
and they are working at his facilities where the same thing can happen
nashvillecardsfan
Really? A pitcher can get hit in the head with a line drive when he’s not even pitching to live batters?
lowtalker1
Lol
Whose paying for it
bleacherbum
Oh god. Now baseball gets to see Tony Clark’s face everyday about this issue now. Reminds me of how unbearable watching the NFL was a few years ago when they were having labor issues and we had to see Demaurice Smith blabber about how unfair players are treated. Go spare me, if the player is worth the contract then they will get paid. If they aren’t then they won’t. Simple as that. GM’s are smarter than they’ve ever been with analytics and they aren’t going to hand out albatross contracts anymore, plain and simple. Have fun playing in the D-league Boras boys.
jd396
I’ve always said Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith deserve each other. They’re both the worst in the major pro sports at their jobs. Rob Manfred and Tony Clark are catching up. They definitely deserve each other.
chound
This is going to end badly for the Union and players. One serious injury is all it’s going to take.
Joe Kerr
Totally agree. I also think its a bad idea as more players in coming years would be willing to keep waiting to sign and use this as a tryout for teams.
wrigleywannabe
injuries happen at any time, working out alone, etc
AM21
Could probably make a team that’d beat the Marlins and the Rays.
jd396
You can do that at the celebrity softball game on the Monday of the all star break.
mack22 2
I think it’s a great idea
Android Dawesome
Its like normal spring training with more days and costs more money
SupremeZeus
Shadow spring training camp. Love it. Although, the Shadow Minister or whomever is organizing this is a bit optimistic. No games and barn storming schedule? Some guys are going to be waiting a long time to sign.
jd396
It’s not like this doesn’t make sense. It’s just stupid that we’re so hell bent on not fixing baseball’s stupid and broken financial system that it becomes necessary.
Rex Block
Sounds like the Island of Misfit Toys.
rerogers
Some of these guys aren’t much better than the next prospect or replacement player of cheaper value. Why would teams spend extra for basically the same guys they already have.
And the better players have offers but want more.
Rex Block
I think that is exactly where we are. If you got an offer but turned it down expecting more, you’re screwed, but that’s the market. And if you are an owner or GM looking to plug a few holes, but not really expecting to win 90 games this season, why not go with the youth movement and see what things look like in July?
Rex Block
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kenphelps44
Mr. Boras, you live by the stats you die by the stats.
jmocubsfan832
this offseason just proves it’s time for 2 more MLB teams. 1 in each league, split in 4 divisions of 4. Reduce regular season games to 150 by cutting out most of interleague play, and expand the playoffs for real.
wrigleywannabe
it proves no such thing.
MegaJman
Already too many teams, and the playoffs are already too long.
22222pete
The players could consider setting up their own league. Start with 4 teams. Players get an equity share and minimum salary. Revenues Paid out as dividends after expenses. All games at 1 stadium and revenues from streaming games live and archived along with advertising, merchandise sales.
Go barnstorming in Asia and Latin America to supplement revenues
wrigleywannabe
lol
SplashHittaz
I’m a free agent, can I go? Seriously though if the owner doesn’t want to pay you 40 mil a year, then you aren’t getting 40 mil a year from them. Sorry your with your 20 mil salary instead, now you can only buy 25 new homes. I can’t even buy one. I feel so surrry for you. Get real.
wrigleywannabe
their salary does not impact yours or your ability to improve yoyrself. get real
MegaJman
I am really hoping the Cubs don’t change their offer for Darvish. If they offered 4 year/ 100 million, it was already too much for what he would bring to the table. I think all the owners should just say enough, and tell these crybabies to go work somewhere else. That is what needs to happen. Fans won’t tolerate a strike, so the players won’t have that option. The really good players are always going to get paid, but the ones that are aging and declining need a reality check. Same goes for one dimensional players like Martinez who is not even close to what he is asking for. The Cubs fell into the WAR trap when they signed Heyward to that ridiculous contract. Now they are stuck with 28 million for awful hitter. Almora was just as good a fielder, but only cost 500K
Richard K
They may as will start there own league and if they are not careful they may not sign at all as it is apparent the League is moving on.
Goose
The Darvish signing reveals the ceiling for these B level type free agents. Whoever sold them the idea they would get Machado/Harper money of $25 – $30 million a year for 5 to 7 years obviously was smoking some good stuff. Every guy left on the market, based on their talent and injury history should be somewhere between $14 – $20 million a year for 4 to 5 years.