Starters Jake Odorizzi of the Rays and Collin McHugh of the Astros continue to draw trade interest, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic writes, though he adds that neither is evidently close to being dealt.
With all the top free agent starters still unsigned, some teams are surely still waiting to see whether they can land a bigger fish before turning to these sturdy hurlers. Still, both are certainly accomplished enough to believe that they could be targeted as more than mere fallback options.
Odorizzi has not even yet turned 28 but already has compiled 705 1/3 innings of 3.83 ERA pitching in his career. On the other hand, he’s coming off of a homer-prone season in which he surrendered a personal-high 4.14 earned runs per nine. McHugh, 30, posted strong results last year after a somewhat tepid 2016 effort, but only after missing a major chunk of the season due to injury. He ended up posting a 3.55 ERA with 8.8 K/9 and 2.8 BB/9 in 63 1/3 frames over a dozen starts.
Importantly, both Odorizzi and McHugh are still playing out their final two seasons of arbitration eligibility, making for a favorable financial situation. Their 2018 salaries remain unresolved, but neither will break the bank. As MLBTR’s 2018 MLB Arbitration Tracker shows, the former will play for somewhere at or between $6.3MM and $6.05MM while the latter will land in the range of $5MM and $4.55MM. In both cases, there’s no commitment for 2019; potential acquirers will no doubt value the chance to pick up what’s effectively a floating-price option for an added campaign.
All things considered, it seems clear that there’s excess value in the rights to each player. Just how much — and how much it’ll fetch on the trade market — is an open question. As Rosenthal notes, both teams are looking for something in return in dangling these established starters.
At the same time, of course, the Rays and ’Stros have reasons to move the players in question, largely due to the presence of other pitchers. In that regard, their availability has long been evident. Tampa Bay has long been said to be looking for ways to trim payroll and reallocate some resources; Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times wrote a few days ago that a trade is almost inevitable to take place at some point. In Houston’s case, the club simply doesn’t have an open rotation spot after dealing for Gerrit Cole earlier in the offseason.
Rosenthal pegs the Orioles as a team with interest in Odorizzi and perhaps also McHugh. That’s not surprising, as Baltimore continues to hunt for multiple starters. The Twins have long been tied to Odorizzi, and Rosenthal suggests that remains the case. Previously, too, the Nationals have been connected to Odorizzi.
It’s not difficult to imagine quite a few other organizations having interest in both of these starters, particularly when one considers what it might cost to acquire free agents such as Alex Cobb, Lance Lynn, and Andrew Cashner. Certainly, the ongoing availability of Odorizzi and McHugh could continue to weigh down interest in those open-market options to some extent.
There are other plausible trade candidates that could factor in the overall picture, it’s worth bearing in mind. Beyond top targets such as Odorizzi’s teammate, Chris Archer, organizations looking for solid but affordable rotation pieces could try to acquire hurlers such as Patrick Corbin of the Diamondbacks, Dan Straily of the Marlins, or Danny Salazar of the Indians.
brewcrew08
Brewers, Brewers, Brewers
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
No chance. They don’t have the players.
thomps07
Lol. The brewers still have a deep farm system…. lots of trade bait if they wanted to trade from it.
brewcrew08
Did he really just say the Brewers don’t have the system to trade for Odorizzi, Salazar, Corbin, Straily or McHugh…?
LADreamin
He might’ve been thinking about the Cubs LOL. Brewers still have a deep farm even after Yelich.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Maybe straily but not the others you mentioned. Unless they trade players from their 25 man roster. It won’t happen.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
PYou’re on cloud nine dude. Brewers wont be as good as last year. They got off to a great start. As everyone expected you included. They fell off 2 weeks before the season ended. Only adding yelich and over paying for Cain. They still need pitching. They don’t have an ace. It’s been a good minute since they had one too. Outside of Knebel their bullpen isn’t very good either. Cubs added 4 pitchers and will add another starter and a closer. Brewers haven’t added anyone special other than Yelich. They still have 3 or known cheaters on the roster.
It’s cool though. Keep trolling.
jdgoat
Wow you’re such a homer. The Brewers still have a great farm, and could easily trade for a pitcher
#Fantasygeekland
Lol
mp2891
For Odorizzi??? Brewers definitely have the players.
mp2891
For Odorizzi??? Brewers definitely have the players.
jdgoat
Stop trolling
BrewersMVP08
They sure do have the players
Bob M.
The brewers have like 5 blocked outfield prospects
Boi34
Jake Odorizzi to the Yankees for Clint Frazier and 5 million in cash yankees also pay Odorizzi
Gnotorious
Maybe straight up but I doubt NY will kick in cash.
Boi34
They would have give cash or deal it’s steal getting Jake Odorizzi for just Frazier.
baines03
Odorizzi is only controllable for 2 more years and was bad last year. He has a lot less trade value than you think. So… no.
evelandsrule
If they wanted Odo they would have to give cash only because the Rays will not let a player go to a division rival that easily. Beckham didn’t count.
thegreatcerealfamine
That is not enough…
Boi34
Then I would say Clint Frazier and Albert abreu and Yankees Jake Odorizzi and ship 10 million to Tampa
Boi34
Yankees get Jake Odorizzi and ship 10 million to Tampa.
thegreatcerealfamine
Why would the Yankees ship money at all when giving up prospects? Yanks are set with pitching until the Deadline…
mp2891
Great Cereal – they are clearly joking. Odorizzi is arguably worth a top 100 prospect, but no one is shipping cash to the Rays.
jakec77
one, I would guess Tampa would take Frazier straight up for Odorizzi.
two, it wouldn’t even be legal for the Yankees to send 10 million dollars, as I recall teams can generally only send money to cover a salary of a player they are trading, plus a relatively small amount of “cash considerations” (I think under a million).
Whyamihere
You can’t just send over that much cash unless it’s covering part of a contract.
padam
Maybe they can send Bitcoin.
Pingleja
I think the Yanks value Frazier pretty high, probably more than he’s worth to everyone else and more than he’s worth to the Yankees (loaded in the MLB with a few other MiLB OFers close to the majors). I think they give him a run at it in the spring, give him everyday starts in AAA to start the season. If no one is hurt/slumping by the deadline, they trade him if they need an arm to push them over the top for the AL east. I don’t think Odorizzi is the type of arm they’re willing to let Frazier go for. Archer maybe, but I think they Yankees would have to give up quite a bit more than Frazier and they would more than likely be unwilling.
pinballwizard1969
Don’t hold your breath waiting for Cashman to make that call to Erik Neander.. Odorizzi would get killed in Yankees Stadium with HR’s.
Boi34
Or archer to the Yankees for Miguel Andujar and chance adams and Yankees pay archer
thegreatcerealfamine
Andujar is the future at third..come-on-man!!
Boi34
Nope then albert abreu and Justus Sheffield. Yankees will get archer and pay him and they will send 5 million to Tampa.
thegreatcerealfamine
Sheffield is a future 2-3 starter. Yanks are fine with pitching until deadline. If they add anything it’s a veteran infielder…
mike156
I think Boi34 is just having a good time here.
Boi34
I am it was joke
raysdaze
HA!
Boi34
Why Ha that’s a good deal for both sides
brewcrew08
That’s a huge return for archer. Andujar, Adams, Albert Abreu and Sheffield plus cash? That’s an overpay. But rays fans will come out and say that archer is worth that plus Judge, Didi and Aaron Boone’s first born child. Guy had a 1.2 WAR last year and we are talking as if he’s worth 5 top 100 prospects. Come on now.
raysdaze
Pretty sure the suggested package “archer to the Yankees for Miguel Andujar and chance adams”…which is a comical return. IMO, any Archer to Yanks deal starts with Glyber..or do you think that 1/2 year of a Chapman is worth more than 4 YEARS of a TOR starter with a very team friendly contract??
brewcrew08
Why Chapman? I’m saying the rays are looking for a return that’s unrealistic which is why he won’t be moved. If a deal was Florial, Andujar, Sheffield and another player with potential that is a more than fair return. That’s 3 top 75 prospects plus another. I’m sure you are going to say the rays wouldn’t even pick up the phone though lol
raysdaze
No thanks…none of those 3 are qualified be the headliner in an Archer deal! If we’re talking Odor, sure – but 4 years of Archer would require Glyber + 2 of the above guys mentioned to get the ball rolling.
brewcrew08
That’s why he won’t get moved. We are back to unrealistic demands. No team will give up a top 5 prospect in all of baseball plus two soundly in the top 100 just to get the ball rolling for archer. It’s great he has 4 years of team control relatively cheap but a 1.2 WAR and 11.8 career WAR over 5 years is average at best. Not to mention the longer the rays sit on him the less valuable he becomes.
brewcrew08
A perfect comp is Cole. Yes he is under control 2 less years but for 2019-2020 his money will be identical to Archer. Not to mention he is 2 years younger, had a better WAR last year and a better WAR over his career. In the current prospect crop Pitt didn’t land a single top 100 guy. 2 more years of control for archer who will be mid 30’s by that point isn’t worth 3-4 times the return of Cole.
jbigz12
Cole is far from a perfect comp. Archer has twice the control and it’s cheap control. He pitched in the AL East. Moran is a top 100 prospect on some lists and Musgrove was before he lost his status as well. Archer will bring back significantly more.
brewcrew08
So you named a fringe top 100 guy and a guy who fell off the top 100? For 2018 and 2019 Cole and Archer are almost making identical money. Archer is at 6.25M then 7.5M and Cole is at 6.75M then another year of arb. I agree Archer will bring back more but 2 very fringe top prospects for Cole set the trade market so to speak. If that’s all he brought Archer is not worth 4 top 100 guys like rays fans continue to say. That’s why he won’t get moved and lose value
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Archer far more valuable than Cole.
And Moran is on most of this year’s top 100 lists, Musgrove is going right into the rotation (where some projection systems peg him to be better than Cole anyway) and Feliz will be in their bullpen.
So, the return for Cole is better than most realize/give it credit for and Archer would command much more in a trade.
brewcrew08
Just because guys slot into the Pirates big league club who has no talent to speak of doesn’t make the return great. Moran I think will turn out to be solid but Musgrove hasn’t proven anything. He’s got a career 4.5 in 160 big league innings. I’m not saying Archer won’t bring more. Just saying he is not worth the 4 top 100 prospects people seem to think he is.
raysdaze
Maybe you’re forgetting that one of them pitches in the ALE! Tell me more about his WAR!!
66TheNumberOfTheBest
FTR, I wouldn’t trade Chris Archer for two Gerrit Coles.
Dave Cameron listed Archer as #16 in his Trade Value series between Jose Ramirez and Buster Posey. Ahead of Sale and Altuve, among others.
Cole didn’t make the list.
brewcrew08
You mean same WAR that saw Sale, Severino, Stroman, Pomeranz, Sabathia, Bundy, Estrada, Gausman, Price (who missed months), Gray all finish ahead of Archer?
Or are you referring to the WAR that placed Archer in between Ryu and Lackey?
raysdaze
Since debuting in 2012, Archer has pitched to a 3.63 ERA/3.46 FIP and notched 9.72 K/9 against 2.94 BB/9. He’s now coming off his third straight 200-inning season, one that saw him overshadow a merely decent ERA (4.07) with career-best marks in K/9 (11.15), BB/9 (2.69) and swinging-strike rate (13.4 percent).
Now, he is no Lackey or Ryu, but those are solid numbers for a #4/5
hojostache
Comparing WAR for a pitcher is nearly useless. I agree about the valuation in a general sense, but WAR isn’t a good ballpark figure for pitchers.
raysdaze
BUT one must not forget that his WAR rightly places him smack in between Ryu and Lackey JAJAJAJAJAJ
texasfury93
Since Cole entered the MLB in 2013:
3.50 ERA/3.27 FIP/1.22 WHIP/112 ERA+ in 782 1/3 IP
Archer:
3.60 ERA/3.46 FIP/1.21 WHIP/109 ERA+ in 937 2/3 IP
Pretty identical pitchers, save the IP mark. Not sure how Archer is far more valuable, except for being under longer control.
raysdaze
Yeah, so you’re neglecting a pretty important fact…Archer posted those numbers in the ALE…
As for 2 extra years of control…I’m no mathematician but wouldn’t Archer’s 4 years of control equate to roughly 2x the value of Cole’s 2 years?
If that is true, how is 3-4 top 100 guys a stretch?
connorreed
Moran is on most of this year’s top 100 lists?
Not on Baseball America. Not on MLB.com. Not on Baseball Prospectus. Not on ESPN’s.
And by most accounts, he wasn’t really that close. Baseball America gave him a future grade of 45 (second division regular/platoon player). Baseball Prospectus said “he wasn’t significantly discussed for [the top 101]”
The only one I could find him on was FanGraphs, and that’s certainly not “most”.
Although I do agree Archer is worth more, the return for Cole was not impressive at all. They got a relief pitcher (Feliz), a back of the rotation arm (Musgrove), a second-division regular third baseman (Moran), and a guy who went unpicked in the Rule V draft (Martin).
mp2891
Come on guys. I might buy into Odorizzi being traded to the Yankees (although that’s very doubtful), but there’s no way the Rays trade their Ace to the Yankees with 4 years of control. Never gonna happen.
pinballwizard1969
At Boi34, How about Ellsbury and Jabari Blash for the Rays Franchise. Seriously your trade suggestions suck.
juicemane
Why pay Arrieta when O-dog will be better over the next five years. Teams are getting smarter as the front offices are getting younger (i.e. more millennials) lol weird
fox471 Dave
O-dog? Really?
drewskis86
give me arrieta over him.
juicemane
His teammates named him that not me and you can have all 39 years of jake arrtita after that contract is over ill pass. We will look back and say he had 2 good years and 1 great one and 0 good or great ones after this year
jb19
I think the Astros should hang on to McHugh, but at the same time the guy should be a starter somewhere. I wonder what kind of return someone like McHugh would get… David Sterns of the Brewers, formerly of the Astros, may be interested.
CubsFanForLife
He should be starting, but the Astros are such a stacked team, so it makes sense to hold onto McHugh for depth.
Anthony Rainier
Agree. And as stacked as they are, Mccullers and Keuchel both missed time last year. And I think it would be very smart for Houston to roll a 6 man rotation for the first 6 weeks of the season, seeing as how their starters all pitched into November, from the rotation and the pen.
And, Keuchel is gone next year. You can never have enough pitching. Unless they get blown away with an offer, no real need to move him.
Bob M.
The thing is the Astros starting pitching prospect pitching depth is pushing. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Whitley. Then you have the like of Armentaros, Bukauskas and Francis Martes.
McHugh has value and the Astros lost a lot of their depth with the Verlander and Cole deals.
The Astros would probably seek young depth in a trade. The Phillies seem like a likely destination
Bob M.
Also noting those prospects would be 7th man up. Peacock would goto the rotation on the first injury.
Realtexan
The Rangers will sign Odorizzi and the Twins is in on McHugh.
Realtexan
Or here’s a better trade Astros swap pitcher McHugh for Rays pitcher Odorizzi. Straight up swap trade
calibearwaltzer
This take was even worse than the first comment
Anthony Rainier
Wow. Followed up dumb, non plausible idea with a even worse real life idea.
Mjm117
But Odorizzi isn’t a free agent.
timyanks
can’t trade free agents anyway
CubsFanForLife
Odorizzi has a chance to be traded, but McHugh isn’t going anywhere. Astros have no need to trade him.
ChiSoxCity
McHugh is highly overrated.
MaverickDodger
Hopefully I’m not the only one who see the irony in you two agreeing with one another . . .
Bob M.
If anything McHugh is underrated.
RunDMC
Will be interesting to see what Odorizzi fetches in a return. O is a FA in 2020 (arb eligible), while Teheran is signed through 2020 (with team option). Their stats are similar with O having only a few more strikeouts, but recently he’s been more HR-proned. Teheran couldn’t find his groove at home until later in the year, and even that was questionable. Looks like Odorizzi has the higher floor, but possibly Teheran has the higher ceiling.
Like I said, it’ll be interesting to see what he fetches.
chesteraarthur
“any offer for Teheran starts with moncada”
jbigz12
If you get a borderline top 150 baseball prospect plus a young lottery ticket for Odorizzi that’ll be a great return.
socalbum
Odorizzi performance has been trending in the wrong direction for last couple of years (ERA 3.69 and 4.14; FIP 4.31 and 5.43 with increase in WHIP, frequency of home runs and walks), and in 2017 his velocity was a tick down across the board for all of his pitches. His career splits are much more favorable pitching in Tampa. Buyer beware.
bjberthiaume
Kepler and Hughes for Odorizzi and Span
mp2891
I can’t tell if you’re serious or not. Why would the Rays want Hughes? Rays have plenty of pitching depth to absorb the loss of Odorizzi, and they certainly don’t need to add a pitcher like Hughes to the team. He hasn’t pitched 60 innings in either the last 2 years, has an ERA, FIP and xFIP approaching 6, a WHIP over 1.5, and he costs $26 million for the next 2 years. Kepler and Odorizzi might be the core of a trade package, but I don’t see Hughes as part of any trade with the Rays. The Rays would happily trade Span though.
pinballwizard1969
McHugh might not be a bad option for the Yankees to pick up that extra starter they have been looking for. And even at $5MM should he get that via arbitration it still leaves the door open for the Yankees to add a piece or 2 later on if they want to. Even a Neil Walker type could still be had before OD if they are looking for infield insurance.
astros_fan_84
I want the Astros to keep McHugh. Last year the Astros were challenged by SP injuries. It would be foolish to assume that the other guys will stay healthy all year.
pinballwizard1969
As they say you can never have enough pitching. However according to MLB the Astros have 6 starters ahead of McHugh on the depth chart. The Astros may feel he’s expendable in that case.
OrangeCrushCity
Who is the 6th? Peacock? I’d guess the Astros view him
as a better pen option with more upside than McHugh but I don’t see how he’s currently a better starter.
jb19
Astros won’t trade McHugh to the Yankees if the Yankees are even interested. These two teams will be in the playoffs for the next couple years, why give them a MOR or BOR starter?
pinballwizard1969
Last time I checked we were talking about a trade not a gift. A trade that hopefully benefits both teams. Bwesides McHugh is hardly are difference maker. In a year he would probably be gone when Justus Sheffield is ready to join the Yankees.
spitballin
How much would McHugh really cost prospect wise.. I know the giants don’t have much but they could really use someone like him in the 4 spot.. they’d obviously have to unload a little bit of salary if they’re committed to staying under the cap but since they’re clearly trying to go for it this year I feel like they should try and make something work there.
OrangeCrushCity
I don’t think the Astros trade him unless they get a ridiculous offer. He’s quality depth in case Keuchel or McCullers go down again, like they both have in each of the past two years.
stratcrowder
Imagine that. Trade interest. This time of year. I am bedazzled. Again.
Willy Mays
Tampa fans must be on good drugs
Teheran has had over a 4.00 era last 2 years. Depending on whether you pit him ahead of or behind Tanaka he’s at best a 3 or 4 for Yankees and you guys are asking for 3 top prospects starting with maybe the best prospect in all of minors. Please let me know where you get your drugs.
RunDMC
Teheran getting hated on when he has nothing to do with either TB or NYY. lol
Willy Mays
Obviously meant Archer not Teheran
raysdaze
Obviously!
Dat boi
My sources tell me that Rays and Twins have agreed to Odorizzi and Span for Kepler and Gordon,if the Darvish deal falls through
Bocephus
How many accounts do you have?
Bob M.
Once Julio Teheran can get left handed hitting out, then maybe he would be worth 2 prospects.