TUESDAY: The Cubs have announced the deal.
It breaks down as follows, per Bob Nightengale of USA Today (via Twitter): $25MM in 2018, $20MM in 2019, $22MM apiece in 2020 and 2021, $19MM in 2022, and $18MM in 2023. That allocation means that Darvish will face at least a four-year, $81MM decision (depending upon escalators) when his opt-out opportunity arises.
Per Nightengale, also, the full no-trade protection extends through the first four years of the contract.
SUNDAY, 4:05pm: Darvish has a full no-trade clause for part of the deal, then it switches to a 12-team list, per Jon Heyman of FanRag (Twitter link).
1:50pm: Darvish has the ability to block a trade to nearly every team, Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets. Additionally, in any year of the contract, he could earn $2MM extra with a Cy Young Award or $1MM if he finishes second to fifth in the voting.
SATURDAY, 6:02pm: Darvish’s opt-out comes after the 2019 season, Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports tweets.
5:17pm: The Cubs and Yu Darvish have agreed to terms on a contract that will bring the righty to Chicago, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports on Twitter. The deal guarantees the Wasserman client $126MM over six years (though the total value can reportedly reach $150MM via escalators), and is pending a physical. ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick tweets that the contract also includes both an opt-out clause “earlier than three years into his contract” and no-trade protection (Twitter link).
With Darvish in the fold alongside Jon Lester, Jose Quintana, Kyle Hendricks and Tyler Chatwood, the reigning NL Central champs will have one of the more complete (and formidable) rotations in all of baseball. Thanks in part to that group, they should enter the upcoming season as the favorites to win the division again, despite the aggressive moves the rival Brewers have made this winter.
In Darvish, who divided last year between the Rangers and Dodgers, the Cubs are getting a hurler who in 2017 ranked as the majors’ 16th-best pitcher by fWAR (3.5) and 12th-best in terms of strikeouts per nine innings (10.08). He also racked up 186 2/3 innings, his most since 2013, and pitched to a 3.86 ERA/3.83 FIP. He figures to replace Jake Arrieta near the front of the Cubs’ rotation. Because Darvish was part of a midseason trade, the Dodgers could not issue him a qualifying offer to begin the winter. Consequently, reeling him in won’t cost Chicago any draft-pick compensation or international bonus pool money.
Of course, the impact of this signing sends ripples far beyond the NL Central alone. MLBTR had ranked Darvish as the best available free agent among our top 50 (Tim Dierkes & Co. actually predicted he’d end up with the Cubs). This deal could well mean that many other free agent dominoes will begin to fall soon. In particular, many have theorized that teams may have been waiting for Darvish to sign before moving onto lesser free agents such as Arrieta, Alex Cobb and Lance Lynn. The Dodgers, Twins, and Brewers had all reportedly made serious offers for Darvish; they’ll now have to set their sights on other options.
The contract itself is by far the largest ever given to a free agent in February. Although the total guarantee is significantly south of the $160MM we predicted he’d receive back in November, the deal itself could perhaps ease some of the ongoing tension between the players union and MLB, which has escalated to a boiling point in recent weeks due to teams’ unwillingness to meet the asking prices of many top free agents. There has perhaps been as much focus on the glacial pace of the offseason as there has been on the free agents themselves, and the Darvish signing is certainly a step in the right direction.
On the other hand, the top four remaining free agents are now J.D. Martinez, Eric Hosmer, Jake Arrieta and Mike Moustakas – all of whom are clients of Scott Boras. With the super-agent firmly in control of the top of the market, there’s no guarantee that other pieces will fall into place any time soon.
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Darvish’s major league career started out in spectacular fashion. After the Rangers spent over $100MM between salary guarantees and posting fees in order to sign him out of Japan prior to 2012, he rewarded them by delivering two consecutive seasons of at least 4.5 fWAR. The talented righty was on his way to another fantastic campaign in 2014, but had to be shut down in August due to elbow issues. Those issues ultimately led to a Tommy John surgery in March of the following year, meaning the ace didn’t take the mound for the Rangers for nearly two years.
When Darvish made his return on May 28, 2016, he picked up right where he left off. In 287 innings since that date, all Darvish has done is strike out 341 hitters while walking just 89. His 3.70 ERA and 3.49 xFIP during that span are among the best marks in the major leagues, and he’s posted the 14th-best soft contact rate in the major leagues during that span.
Of course, Darvish’s solid 2017 season was unfortunately covered in shadow by his dreadful World Series performance with the Dodgers. He faced 22 Astros hitters across his two starts while recording just 10 outs and allowing eight earned runs. Darvish was saddled with the loss for both of those games, one of which was the seventh and final game of the series.
However, while his bellyflop is perhaps the most prominent impression left in the minds of Dodgers fans, there are a number of important factors to consider. The first and perhaps most obvious is that 3 1/3 innings is an incredibly small sample size, particularly against a juggernaut Astros offense that also tore through pitchers like Chris Sale in the same postseason. Another is that many Astros hitters went on record saying that Darvish was tipping his pitches in Game Seven; they could tell whether he was going to throw a cutter or a breaking ball by watching whether he adjusted his grip on the ball before bringing it to his glove. Finally, the two World Series starts were Darvish’s 36th and 37th of the season, which is especially notable because he hadn’t pitched a more than 150 innings in a season since 2013.
Darvish’s pitch arsenal is one of his most unique assets. According to Brooks Baseball, he threw a four-seamer, slider, sinker, curve, cutter, change-up and splitter during the 2017 season. While the sinker and change-up were each utilized less than 2% of the time, such an expansive repertoire sets Darvish apart from other MLB aces. Fortunately for him, he’ll once again be reunited with catcher Chris Gimenez. The two played together during their years with the Rangers, where Gimenez had great success working with Darvish and his arsenal. The Cubs signed Gimenez to a minor-league deal about three weeks ago, though whether that factor had any impact at all on Davish’s decision is a guessing game at this point.
While there’s a chance Darvish will pitch to Gimenez in 2018, it seems likely most of his work will come with starting catcher Willson Contreras. The 25-year-old expressed excitement about the Darvish deal on Twitter, noting that he “can’t wait to catch” the four-time All-Star.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
My prediction came true!!
In First post in the bottom link. I predicted exact contract!!!
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Omfg baseball hot stove heating up
Poor move by the Cubs. This will be a strain on their budget. How many very good years are we expecting out of Yu?
2. You want him like every other player who gets an opt out to opt out. Opt outs are actually great for teams.
Ah opt outs are only good if the free agent doesn’t have a qualifying offer. I’d give darvish one, only because I wouldn’t be losing a draft pick for potentially 1-2 years of a player
Opt outs are not good for the team! It just favors the player!
In the thread I linked to, eighth post down, justinept wrote a brilliant piece why opt outs benefit the team. Since I know you didn’t read it (Not because didn’t want to, but because my comment directing other people, who thought the same thing about opt outs, to that post, probably got lost in the 700+ responses, most commented article here, of all time)
This is for many people who think: opt-outs are “not good for the team!” and “just favors the player!” …. Writing this exceptional, deserves to be shared to a wider viewing audience. (Original Source link in first post here, I made my “correct” prediction.) Click that link, Count down, from top, 8th post down, by justinept. Thanks again for sharing this! I don’t know if you’re going to write it again here and I didn’t want to take that risk of this fascinating piece, fading away, in that other thread. It changed my entire opinion on player opt outs, being so “one sided”
“People look at opt-outs wrong.
They say that the player will opt out if the contract is undervalued, or he’ll stay if the contract is overvalued. And that both situations hurt the team. While those two statements are true, they fail to take a number of things into account.
First, opt-outs provide value to the player. People always seem to miss this obvious point.
Since we’re talking about the Cubs, let’s use Jason Heyward as an example moving forward. He signed with the Cubs for 8 years / $184 million with two opt outs. He turned down 8 years / $200 million with no opt out language from the Nationals. You can deduce from this that the Cubs saved $16 million over 8 years in actual money by offering the opt outs. That isn’t insignificant.
Smart teams understand this value and use it as leverage to make up the monetary difference from other offers. Desperate teams use it as leverage to make up other issues a player might have with signing with their team (eg. poor team play, poor location, etc.)
The Cubs play in a major market. They have an historic stadium that’ was recently renovated. They have a top-tier manager. They’ve made three straight NLCS appearances. And they won a World Series 14 months ago. When a team is in the position the Cubs are in (Dodgers, Yankees, BoSox, and a few others are in similar spots), and they offer an opt-out clause, it’s always to make up monetary differences from other offers because the other selling points are off the charts. So if the Cubs offer Darvish an opt-out, it’s because he took a few less dollars to sign.
Second – people ignore the fact that opt-outs are done one of two ways from a team’s POV.
1) The team front loads the contract, which protects them against a bigger cap hit if the player doesn’t opt out
2) They back load the contract, daring the player to opt out of the bigger money portion of the deal.
Guess which one smart teams do? They front load the contract, protecting themselves against regression. That way, if the player doesn’t utilize the opt-out due to it being an over-market deal, it’s still a smaller hit than they’d have taken if they gave him a LT deal w/ yearly salaries in line with the actual AAV.
Let’s look at Heyward again,
His money was front-loaded with 2017 and 2018 representing his biggest pay days ($28 mil per year). That leaves about $106 million over 5 years remaining on the deal. Will he opt-out? Probably not. I mean, the guy has barely hit his weight as a Cubs (.243 average vs a listed weight of 240 points.) But still, w/o the opt-out, the Cubs are likely paying Heyward $125 million over the final 5 years. With the opt-outs, they’re paying him $19 million less.
If the Cubs were to offer Darvish an opt-out, they’dd likely front load that contract as well, paying him significantly more money in 2019 and 2020 ahead of Bryant and Russell’s free agency year. If Darvish outperforms the contract and opts-out, it provides more money to sign Bryant and Russell. If Darvish underperforms and doesn’t opt out, then you’re at least paying him less than you would’ve had you not offered the opt out clause.
Seriously – unless a team is desperate and does something stupid, then these things do work out for the team.”
Thanks for sharing such a quality comment!
And there is not even the slightest chance that Heyward opts out. Opt out doesn’t help the Cubs there. If Darvish pitches well and opts out it will hurt them because they lose a player who they had signed for below market value.
3.5
This won’t do a anything to their budget. The owners father is the founder of etrade. They have a ton of money to spend if they want. They could lock up Bryant rizzo,Baez and sign Harper for 200 mil each if they wanted too. I don’t think they will. Harper won’t sign for less than 300 mil. Bryants extension would start at 250 mil. Baez will not gset more than 90mil on his nezt deal with the cubs. Rizzo will get upwards of 150mil.
I see no indication that they can spend all that on all those players. And no doubt this hinders their capacity to sign all those guys. How could it not? It’s $25mil/year…
It doesn’t put a dent in their budget. They could easily sign Harper and extend Bryant for the same amount if they choose too. That would require heyward opting out and trading one or more of Schwarber, Almora and maybe one other. As bad as Schwarber gets hosed for his “horrible D” I’d rather have him over Harper.
Its $21m a year. Sorry you are a Dodger fan and lost Darvish to the Cubs for just $21m per year but you will have to deal with it
*$21mill/year.
One Fan: nice assumption re my team, but I’m an O’s fan. I stand by my comments above.
It’s $21M base plus performance bonuses that could raise it to $25M.
BTW, I am a Dodger fan who isn’t at all sorry Darvish was “lost” to the Cubs. Trust me, we can deal with it. His coming back here, that would be have been another issue.
Agreed. Also, one thing most people overlook is that teams can nudge (and subtly threaten) players to opt out.
An opt out doesn’t mean the player has all the control. I mean, if a team didn’t want me, and they tell me my playing time will be cut in half (or more), I would opt out.
There’s a lot of psychology involved.
Those guys you all mentioned are only making league minimum. The best case scenario is they sign Harper go over the tax next year, and Zobrist goes off the books after next year. There’s some flexibility still there but not a lot. If and that’s a big if they sign Harper next year that’s probably their only move. And honestly they won’t need to make anymore.
No you wouldn’t
A strain on the budget it is not
Talk like Yoda you must
Let’s go!!!!!!
FINALLY
Nice
Poor move. It’s an overspend ona pitcher who’s actually not that great—and certainly not consistently so.
Whether he’s great or simply just a well above average is splitting hairs. He’s still a top 20 starting pitcher in the game
No need to split hairs at all. It’s an overspend on, as you say, a top 20 pitcher.
I would suggest he isn’t. He taxes bull pens, his fastball is straight, and when he loses command of his breaking pitches he is very hittable. When he gets on a roll he is very effective. A #3 guy at this stage of his career. And when the wind is blowing out in Wrigley, or on the road in Milwaukee or GAB look out. As a Cards’ fan I am happy with this deal. With all the Cubs’ salary issues in years to come this deal binds their hands nicely.
Yes it does. And, as you added, the guys been less than impressive of late. I’d also add that whether he’s too 20 right now is irrelevant; what will he be over the life of his contract? This I think is where the deal looks quite awful actually.
Oh domitrilnLA sorry to split hairs its only $21m per year a huge underpay and your dodgers lost out and you are pissed off
My goodness you have no clue. Chicago as a small market team in your rates is hilarious. Enjoy fighting Pittsburgh for 4th place for the next decade.
Well said spudchukar
People complained about the Zobrist deal, saying he would be too old at the end of the contract. Well I am OK with 3 down years since he was MVP of the 2016 WS.
The Cubs have an open window to win now. What’s wrong with spending the money now to win? Hey if Yu helps the Cubs win in the next few years and is not worth the contract in the last few years, I am OK with that. True, signing him guarantees nothing. But it at least gives the Cubs a better chance to win now, while their window is open.
Sweet
Finally
WHOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Good signing. Like it
terrible contract. be lucky to get 3 years out of him. lot of money tied up for A player with arm problems and on the down side.
That’s not terrible or even bad. That’s about the right price for a pitcher who’s not quite an ace, but he’s still very good. If he were scherzer or price, he’d get payed a lot more money.
Haha, don’t feed the sad lil trolls. Coach Him is either ignorant, sad or both. I loved him at 5/125. To get him at 6/126 is amazing! That AAV will keep the Cubs below the luxury tax yet again. Theo brilliantly waited out the market and took advantage of the Dodgers/Yankees inability to spend this winter. If he hits all his incentives and maxes the contract out at 150… EVEN better. Still a good AAV for the Cubs AND that means he’s performing well. Great get, the top starter available!
Well said. Looks like a lot of green on this board…
Yeah, the best part is seeing the same usernames that wanted their team to sign Yu now acting like they are glad they didn’t. Transparent to say the least. The fact that Theo didn’t panic and got him for WELL below his projected contract back in November was genius!
Completely agree. The incentivized contract is even better. A (potential) extra $25 million will keep this kid hungry for every single year. The move (and the way the contract is written) is brilliant.
Yeeeesssss!!!
Now over pay for Jake. And our staff will be complete!!
There’s no room for him
Don’t think there ever truly was room for Jake. Plan B after Darvish was probably Cobb. Plan C…who knows. Maybe a Lackey reunion (eek)? Or roll with Monty at SP5, add some decent SP depth, and consider a trade later if it doesn’t work out. Jake might’ve interested the Cubs on a short-term deal (1-2 yrs, 3 at most), but that (or a “hometown discount”) was never happening. This wasn’t a Dexter Fowler situation.
oh god no
Jake arieta to the phils please
No way Andy MacPhail would agree to more than a 3 year deal and there’s no way Scott Boras agrees to that.
No God Please No
Maybe on a one year deal with a high aav…come March 29th.
maybe Jake at 4/100 mil now? I really can’t see him getting Darvish money, but then again maybe a team like MIL or MIN goes the extra 5th year after missing out on Yu?
Twins won’t go to five on Arrietta.
Haven’t seen an actual report on their offer to Darvish but I’d be surprised if that was a straight 5 year offer. I haven’t heard any concrete interest from the Twins on him, only speculation since they are looking at top tier pitching. It’s possible the Brewers consider him as an option but not MN unless he falls to reasonable terms as in a short deal.
Your 4/100 for Arrieta is more annually than the guarantee Darvish got from the Cubs. He’ll get over $20M per when he signs, the only real question is how much more, and the number of years.
staff is complete now …5 solid starters plus Montgomery ….bullpen has 6 solid relievers
Yup
Lester, Darvish, Hendricks, Quintana, Chatwood
Morrow, Strop, Edwards, Cishek, Montgomery, Duensing, Wilson.
Only question mark is the 8th pen guy (25th man) and there’s some relatively good options there
Maples may make a good run for that #8 reliever.
bad take
Their rotation is good to go. They need a Greg Holland. Morrow won’t be the closer the whole year. He could be the 8th inning guy. While CJ can be the 7th inning guy.
Bye bye Jake
Wow
Maybe this Is the domino that needed to fall!!
The floodgates just bursted
Wow
Yu! Yu got what I neeee-eeeed!
Oh baby Yuuuuu
Yuuuuuu say he’s just a friend
Awesome!
Sort of expected. Waiting on more details on thr contract.
*Go Cubs Go starts playing*
Hooray! News m!
good luck holding onto their core for another couple years. definitely won’t be in on next year’s free agent class. no money left
Looks like a major victory for the players. Holding out did pay off.
6 years $126 million is what he’s getting
I’m sure he thought he’d get a lot more
He got 6/126 with bonuses that an make it 150 and 2 opt outs and an NTC.
That’s an insane AAV for Darvish. I liked him a lot at 5/125, but I LOVE him at 6/126. Even if he dominates, hits ALL his incentives, he’ll still be below market value at 6/150. Theo played this market perfectly.
What market did you have him in? What he got looks about right to me. He’s a solid pitcher with a few flaws (injury prone, failed in WS). If anything, I’m surprised he got 6 years.
Well, those that actually get paid for their opinion had him at 6/160 min, before a bidding war. To get him at a 21 AAV is ridiculous. If he hits ALL his escalators, which means he’s pitching well, he’s STILL a good 10 mil below his projected contract. Great move by Theo being patient and not panicking. The Cubs will once again avoid the luxury tax which will allow them to go well over it NEXT winter with minimal penalties. Something Theo already made clear that he will do. Great get. I liked him a lot at 5/125, I LOVE him at 6/126!!!
If he does that he opts out and they have to either greatly up his pay or lose him
smh. There’s always a team that comes in and gives Boras what he wants. Always.
Boras isn’t Yu’s agent
But didn’t Boras’s initial demands come on closer to $30 million/year? He got the years he wanted, but not the dollars.
He’s not represented by Boras
Is Boras negotiating for other people’s clients this offseason?
No but Boras can control the entire free agent market with his mind. Or is that his mouth?
Smh. There’s always a commenter who thinks every big name free agent is repped by Scott Boras. Always.
Christ almighty. In an off-season where every article mentions that Boras has all the big names and is holding up the off-season, i forgot that one name wasn’t represented by Boras. How will I ever live with myself?
By hopefully fact checking before you say stupid crap on the internet so you don’t look like a buffoon
Next time just do some basic research before posting instead of getting salty with people calling out your inaccuracies.
So many crusty folks on here. Comments need to be 100% on point or you get roasted. Kinda like talking to my wife.
Lighten up Francis!
I was just having a laugh, bud. It’s all in good fun. This is a baseball rumors website.
Live with yourself by not posting when you do not know crap. You just talk out of your rear end
How do you live with yourself as is with your posts that show you know nothing about what you talk about. You just talk out of your ass.
Sully51 is so stupid he does not even know Darvish is not a Boras client.
Hey Sully51 hahhaha laughing right AT YU! Get it Yu
When’s the first I think we can re-sign Arrieta too! Lol
Lol….overpay
I guess they really DIDN’T want Jake.
Enjoy that contract in years 5 and 6….
Any of those years are dicey, given Yu’s history and the health stats on pitchers in general. This contract is the type of recklessness that a rich team can make.
We will.
Osfandan the Cubs fans will enjoy years 5 and 6 while competing for world championships
Finally the dominos can start to fall. Where will Carl Pavano sign?
I don’t know why that reference kicks ass, but it totally does.
I knew it! So glad someone finally blinked.
This is good. If the Brewers don’t have the discipline to enter a much needed rebuild the Cubs can be their discipline
just hope Brewers don’t sign any of the other free agent pitchers. none of them are worth the money and neither was darvish.
I hope they over pay for Arietta. That would be a double win for the Cubs.
How about missing the playoffs because your rotation wasn’t good enough? How much is that worth?
That’s a strange hope. You hope they don’t compete with the Cubs and Cards?
Any of the three left can help a ballclub get to the next level. Brewers need to do this. If they can do better by trade, so be it, but it won’t be easy to get playoff-level guys like Arietta – unless Crew lucks out and can swing a trade for Archer.
Oh AppBrewers you are so burned. So pisses off. Yu is not worth $21m per year. Haha. Your team offered more then that and got shot down big time!
It has not stated in any articles that YU was offered more money by any other teams!
it is that same thinking that will keep the brewers from winning. along with a bad owner. brewers are the mets of the midwest.
Huh? Brewers are already coming out of their rebuild.
Brewers better check that pitiful rotation before claiming to be out of a rebuild….
Huh?
???
Much needed rebuild?? Wtf do you think they’ve been doing? Obvious troll is obvious
There’s a pretty big difference between rebuilding and just losing a lot.
Finally ! Who’s next!?!?!
I will lol if Yu Darvish dominates in the playoffs against the dodgers.
Finally.
Here we go!! 6/150…that’s a very nice deal for Darvish.
Darvish
Quintana
Hendricks
Lester
Chatwood
That’s a very good 1-4 and Chatwood.
Bet Chatwood is better than Lester this year. Think Lester’s close to done.
I think everyone talked up Chatwood too much this year. I bet he won’t do that great this year.
Agreed! Chatwood will be a reliever by the end of the year. He’s no starter
And Milwaukee is counting on Jimmy Nelson. See Andrew Luck, among others, for how illogical that is.
Rivera its 6/126 not 6/150
depends on the escalators.
Chatwood actually has the best stuff out of all these pitchers if you knew anything. In my opinion, Chatwood is the ace by the end of the season
What a bummer
LETSS GOOOOOO!!!! BOOM BABY
6 years might be 2 two many but they needed a starter. I think it’s a good deal for years 1-4 for sure
True, less than I thought he’d get annually though.
Took long enough.
Im going to vomit
Ugh! 6 years for Lester was one thing but I don’t like Darvish for more than 4
he’ll be great in the regular season for the Cubs.
Key word is regular season
exactly.
Oh haha I get it. Regular season because he tipped his pitches in the world series (while otherwise pitching fantastic in the post season) oh soo funny. Well we shall see next year won’t we. Of course the Brewers will be sitting October out again. Oh hahaha
Hahaha. Get there. Once. Then claim the rebuild is off and running. Fact is, Milwaukee still remains nothing more than average. Let that sink in for a minute.
A nothing more than average team with no cy young award winners or big payroll gave your team a run the entire last season, and you still got blown out by a Dodgers team Houston was able to figure out. Let that sink in.
The owners suck at colluding. That’s way more years than I thought he’d get. If they’re lucky the first 3 years will be good. If they’re unlucky he goes the way of Zimmermann.
A lot less annually than I thought he’d get though.
It’s possible he had an offer of 4 years over $100 million and took the lower AAV to get the extra years that he probably won’t be pitching.
Think we are going to find out Cubs offer was not the biggest.
Still 100 FA on the market. Read that 1 in 8 players that were on end of season rosters are still unsigned. That is what players are ticked about, not whether Darvish gets his money.
Probably because they aren’t colluding.
Its hard to suck at collusion when no one is colluding genius
he was obviously making fun at people that were screaming collusion.
BOOM!
“It’s because they didn’t hold anything back.”
The flood gates have opened. This is about to be a weekend to remember with SP training starting Monday
Isnt this exactly what mlbtr had in their offseason predictions
Wow! I know Lester is getting older and isn’t the number 1 he once was but he’s still good and not this rotation got a lot better. Darvish had a up and down season and blew the World Series for the Dodgers (including terrible decisions by our manager) but over all this guy is a great addition to that rotation and makes that team a lot better. As a Dodgers fan I really hate this but as a fan of Baseball I can be mad that a team just got better so congrats to you Cubs fans and congrats to Darvish! He deserves this deal, he’s a good dude and he’s has a good career so far.
Thanks for the positivity in the comments (doesn’t always happen after a big signing or trade)
Rumors were that the first team to give him a sixth year would sign him. The last couple years he might not be worth the AAV but overall good signing and I’m super excited to watch the Cubs and Dodgers try outmuscle each other all summer!
I’m just a huge Baseball fan and I love watching good ball. Going to be a very good year. I can’t wait to see my Dodgers and your Cubs battle this year. Should be really good ball. Hope we get to face off in the playoffs again.
Love seeing the Cubs waste money on a older pitcher. LOVE IT
Me too, 32 isn’t old, and his annual salary is very affordable.
He is 31
The dodgers take a loss with this and not to mention their bullpen isn’t in great shape either. Arazona is pleased with this signing as far as the NL west goes
Don’t forget morrow. Him and darvish dominated the cubs in the nlcs
Who’s the #2,3,4 &5 starter after Kershaw. Ouch!
Older pitcher? He is only 31 troll
Most on this site would call that “the wrong side of 30.”
Finally! Cobb and Lynn are on the clock
Cobb could surprise some people this year.
With his contract amount, it’s showing that teams are standing on not handing out ridiculous contracts. Even though his contract is for over 6 years, it won’t hurt them when he starts to decline, because 21 million will be a bargain 6 years from now
Unmm no it’s not. Have you not been paying attention? This move is almost 100% likely to be a problem in the future but the Cubs are definitely in win now mode so it’s worth the risk
Oh Chris you are such a troll! 100% to be a problem huh? Wow thats a lot. You know that how? You do not you just hope it is since you are so irate and jealous of the Cubs who are a cash cow and have their own TV network in a few years for a few billion more in dough. So lets see how that 100% idea works out for you troll.
I’m a Yankees fan. Why would I ever be jealous of the Cubs lol?
Like I’ve said, I think the move is a good risk for the Cubs. But unless Darvish is an anomaly, it’s gonna be hard for him to be of value at the end of his contract. But if you’re asking me if I’d take almost $60 million in dead money for another World Series championship, I would do it. Especially given the fact that the Cubs are still in a good position in the immediate future with many of their young position players. And probably keeps him away from a division rival in the Brewers
A bargain? Based on what? The massive contracts given out to mediocre players this offseason?
Jake Arrieta to brewers for 4 year 75 million make it happen Stearns
Arrietta isn’t taking that contract, bid higher.
I’m sure Boras wanted 7 years for Arrieta but he’ll argue 6 years on Darvish sets the market.
Arrieta will get 4
yr at &100 mil Phillies
i think so too, hawaiiphil
No way! He’s a Midwest guy!
Hahaha. Nobody takes that deal to play in Milwaukee. Nobody.
yep loyal fanbase with potent offense. who wouldn’t want that to pitch with.
but definitely hope Brewers don’t give a bad contract to any of those guys. much rather they make a trade.
Arrieta just came from the Cubs who have as loyal of a fanbase as you can get and a very potent offense. Exactly how is Milwaukees fan base and offense going to be a selling point for Arrieta to go to them for 4 years and 75 mil?
Because your park is a joke. Who would ever want to pitch there?
Please, NO Arrieta – Let’s enjoy at least one season with the Matt Garza salary-sucking, under-performing, skills-diminishing roster spot open…
4/84 with bonuses that can take it to 100 and an opt out after 2 years might get it done.
5/160 at the least. Money they don’t have.
only way arietta goes to milwaukee is if it is the only offer. who wants to live 6 months of the year in milwaukee? would rather play for marlins now in south beach than milwaukee. yelich may be kicking himself. be careful what you wish for. i live in wisconsin and I wont spend more than 1 day in Milwaukee. there is a joke: if you are in miller park after october 1st, you could get arrested for tresspassing.
Because living in Chicago is SO much better. There’s a reason why 3/4 of Chicago’s population vacation in Wisconsin every year.
im from chicago and own a summer home in wisconsin. people are moving out of illinois and chicago. amazing city but cubs fans yappin just ignore.
Yelich will get traded mid season 2019. Cain will be flipped within 3 years and they will finally trade Aaron Braun(take a close look at side by side of Braun and Rodgers. They look like twins.
Oh brewer fans are so cute. Now you are getting Jake for $17m huh
Excited to read all the salty fans from other teams who wanted him start trashing him and pretending that the Cubs don’t have the money to deal with any downside in the future.
So he will at least get 21 mill per year for six years. Not a terrible AAV but the one thing that’s worrisome is that he has pitched 150+ innings only once from 2014 forward. Hopefully he doesn’t have durability issues
Now let the dominoes finally fall !!!!!
They better win now. This is an albatross contract in 3 to 4 years.
LOL, did you think the point of this contract was to win in year 4?
Dar Yu believe Dar Cubs will vish this deal never happened?
Guess that Brewers World Series is on hold. Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that’s weird. didn’t realize the season started and ended already. can be literally one or two injuries to derail any team.
Have to admit that the Cubs have some serious depth though. I mean Zobrist and Ian Happ are going to be starting the season on the bench, and Montgomery is always ready to take the role of a starter
Appbrewer your team has no pitching. Zero you need to sign the top 3 remaining starters to compete but your team is too cheap
Less than zero pitching…and that’s before they realize that not only isn’t Nelson going to any good this year, he’s NEVER likely to recover from labral surgery at his age. And no, he’s not young for purposes of that brutal surgery.
#Collusion
Don’t even care who the team was I’m just glad that dragged out crap is done
Here’s what’s going to happen: All the rest of the Top 50 free agents are going to be signed in the next ten days……except for Boras clients.
You have to admit, MLBTR readers and commenters would have a lot of fun with that.
Mike that would be fun
I will say this much. The cubs swapping darvish with Jake doesn’t really improve them all at from last season but they aren’t weaker either (unless the loss of Davis truly harms them). If anything it’s status quo which is good for the defending no central champs
Jake sucked for the first 3 months last year. I don’t think Yu will. They have a full year of Quintana. So, of course they are better.
I also see Darvish & Arietta as more similar than different. Yu’s peripherals are a bit better, but Jake’s durability & big game mentality balances that out. I would argue that Chatwood for Lackey looks likely to be an improvement. Chatwood is still an unknown factor, though. I think if Lester & Hendricks stay healthy, they’ll have a better year than last. Overall, I think the rotation is in better shape this year.
Well Yankee I think Chatwood and Darvish will be better then Arrieta and Lackey but we shall see.
You forget that the offense isn’t near it’s prime yet, still a very young but experienced offense who’s hungry again.
This was far less than they wanted so I’m excited this should set the trend for the other agents wanting the moon and back. Should start to see a lot more signings in the next week
good signing for cubs but im sure we’ll be discussing the albatross of a contract come 2020 season and beyond (6 yrs? ouch! but good for Yu)
You people acting like the Cubs are small market on a shoestring budget makes a Cubs fan’s offseason,
It is pretty funny.
Flood gates won’t open till a Boras client signs. Sorry fellas but this will be like when Cain signed.
In a week the only top 20 free agents unsigned will all be Boras clients. And he’ll feel like he has the owners where he wants them. They’ll have to meet his demands then.
Great move by theo and co. No qo stipulations, a great pitcher and the splash they needed. While the back end might hurt a bit, it’s not a completely crippling amount.
Him going to the Cubs has been obvious since December so this really isn’t surprising.
Wish it was the Twins instead though.
The “low” average annual salary of $21 million per season seems like a win for the Cubs but I’d have to be really nervous about the back end of that deal. Paying a 35-38 year old $20+ million is gonna be tough to swallow regardless of ability to pay it. But I guess for another WS ring in the next three years while all the Cubs position players are still cheap is worth the risk
The Cubs window to win is now while Bryant, Russell, Rizzoa,Hendricks, Baez, Contreras, etc are affordable.
If they win another ring, no one will care about the last 2 years.
But paying a TOR starter $21 million to start the deal is a steal. It is not about any single year, its about the value provided over the full length of the deal. If he puts up a 3.5 WAR in 2018 that is worth nearly $30 million.
outinleftfield, for which sports agency do you work?
6 years is to long the cubs will regret this contract in the last 2 years
All contracts are like that for pitchers. The window to win is now.
The cubs aren’t focusing on years 5 and 6 when it comes to him
Sort of like Year 2 with Cain….
Doubtful.
The Cubs might regret it in the last 2 years. But the Brewers are going to regret it in the first 2 years.
Oh Brewer214 you just want it to be true. You were happy when your team offered the samw amount over 5 years and got REJECTED. Cubs pay the same and get basically a free year. You would be singing a different tune had the Brewers signed him
There’s replacements coming in the farm. Most of Cubs top prospects are pitchers.
Now get Greg Holland and watch the Brewers and Cardinals fade into the rearview mirror by the All Star break
Deal includes Full NTC and 2 opt outs in years 2 and 3.
Yes! Potentially two more wins for the Astros in next year’s World Series!
Seriously though, I think the cubs overpaid but got a really good pitcher. Should be some really fun baseball on the north side.
Cubs/Astros WS would be a dream for me.
I still want that Astros rematch. We got unfinished business buddy lol
Welcome the rematch. You guys added Stanton, we added Cole, Smith, Rondon. Both teams better. But you got the RedSox to contend with, and the Angels are better but not as good as us.
You will hold off Anaheim. The Yankees have a whole year of gay and Montgomery in the rotation and bird as well. Plus Tanaka fixed his first half problems and as such I like our chances to win the al east but it’s baseball so I’m not taking anything to the bank lol
*gray
I’d welcome any matchup with the Astros if you’re running Rondon out there in the 7th or later.
Pirates should trade Harrison/ Nova and Cerveli . They will have a minor league team against Cubs and Brewers. Fans are going to come anyway
I think most expected Darvish to sign with the Cubs and I suspect eventually they will report that the Cubs were not the highest bidder.
And let the dominoes begin to fall!
Arietta signs a 3-4 year deal with the cards or brew crew next and then the loser of that gets Cobb me thinks
Jake will insist on 5 years now.
You are correct but it doesn’t mean he won’t cave in either
The cubs are fools for signing this guy ! Can’t wait till the angels face him and pound him to the next universe lol.!!!
They rarely play the cubs though. As a matter of fact when was the last time both teams played each other ? You best be worried about the stros
They last played each other in 2016.
The Angels will have plenty of competition from the As for the wild card spot.
Lol
They did it again. First Hayward now darvish two very bad deals. Cubs are nuts
And yet they won the WS with Heyward.
Says the Mets fan. How’s that Wright deal going?
Or that super rotation….
we’re the cubs better off resigning arrieta or going after a second tier ace like lance lynn or alex cobb?
Lynn is a disaster waiting to happen and Jake has had declining stats the last two seasons
In short no lol
Theo pulls an Arnold Mr. Freeze, “Allow me to break the ice…”
Still 100 FA not signed. That one guy signed is not a sign that the market is shifting or that the owners are not colluding, just that Darvish decided to sign.
Unfortunately, I think you are right. I don’t think it’s a sign that anything else is necessarily going to happen. Maybe the Cards or Brewers will respond with a signing or a trade (surprising if they don’t), but the larger market? I wish I thought it would break open now. But I don’t. (And I do think owners are colluding – if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck…. etc.)
You aren’t in left field you’re out to another planet if you think the owners are colluding. There’s like a 100 reasons and facts that point to the cause of why the offers aren’t as lucrative BUT still VERY lucrative see jd and Hosmers deals and 1 reason why collusion has been suggested and that’s the agents as a negotiation tactic.
One top player signing in no way indicates that it’s not collusion. 1 in 8 players from end of season rosters still not being signed does.
I agree there is no collusion at all anyway who thinks so is being paid by agents. Case closed
Probably takes the cubs out of the harper race for next year. Their payroll will already be pushing 190-200 this year, so doubt they will add another 30-40 for one player.
I thought heyward could opt out?
I don’t think hayward will be opting out of anything
There is no reason for him to opt out
Yea he can opt out. What is your point? Why in the world would he opt out?
Where are all the guys who say that opt outs are good for the team? No they are NOT!
Check your facts
Just watch. Harper to Chicago happens next year and everyone whines about an overpay. Fans of every other team still can’t grasp that the Cubs aren’t the familiar and easy punchline anymore…and it drives them nuts.
The scrubby cubbies had a charm to them despite their tanking but I agree they aren’t a joke in mlb anymore and it’s good for the game. 108 years of futility must have been beyond horrible for your fan base to suffer from and I hope no fan base ever has to go through that again
Can it be called tanking when they weren’t trying to suck?
Yanks02026, Harper could have his contract structured so it’s backloaded. He’s not dumb. He’s not going to ruin the Cubs payroll.
Pretty sure thats not how the luxury cap works.. It goes by the annual value, not by what he gets paid year 1 to year 2.. if that was the case teams would be giving players 50 million for year 1 and then 5 the next year.
That may be, but read northsidecrossrifles comment. The cubs are not hurting for money. They can pretty much do whatever they want and still be profitable.
ahhh pickle nickel pickle nickel touch my toes ahhh how tea do see? piggly wiggly is the store for me
Backloading does not effect the luxury tax number and backloading is stupid
Still under the luxury tax, and they’re printing money in wrigleyville. Due to all of the renovations to the stadium, and how the Ricketts are developing other money traps for fans (hotel zachary, numerous Rickett’s owned restaraunts, movie theatre and parking complex, the rooftops), the Cub’s future revenue stream will be ridiculous. Plus they’re the only major market North American sports team without a long term tv deal, and they’re in a prime bargaining position to write their own multi billion dollar deal
I’m just hoping cubs network is nationwide, like how wgn had cubs games nationwide until a couple seasons ago. Made me a cubs fan in California.
Lol
Darvish would have been a good short term addition to Dodgers, but glad to see that Dodgers are developing Buherle. Would rather see LA go get someone like Archer. As a Dodger fan who cannot watch them on TV, glad to see LA show some restraint on this one.
As a cards fan this just makes it even more frustrating the FO is sitting on their hands. They put all their faith in unproven prospects and a has-been closer while the clubs around them make moves to improve. If the Brewers do end up signing Arrieta it’s over. At this point we are playing for the second wild card
Not going to lie, it’s great watching the fall to mediocrity. IMO you guys are due for a good decade or two of .500 or below .500 baseball. REALLY test your faithfulness and if your fan base really deserves the title of “best fans in the game”…….. which I think you gave yourselves, but whatever. See how loyal and great a fan base the Cards really have after about 15-20 years of living in mediocrity hell. I’m counting down the days until Aaron Rodgers retires too so then Packers fans up north can finally live in football hell too. NO WAY can they possibly have back to back to back HOF caliber QBs….. if they do I’ll cry…. that would be so unfair. haha. Going through a 20 year drought of not making the playoffs is a good thing for a fan base….. builds character and weeds out the pretenders.
I actually like the Red Bird team as it stands right now, even if they sit tight and don’t add Hosmer and/or trade for Archer and Columbe. The move that frightened me was Cubs’ move for Archer. The Cubs roster is now frozen, not just in 2018. but for years to come. A full year of Pham, Reyes, Weaver, Carpenter, Gyorko, and DeJong, the addition of Ozuna,Leone and Mikalos, and the myriad of young outfielders and pitchers makes the Cards not only a threat in the NL central, but in many years to come.
They already did with Favre followed by Rodgers.
A good decade or two? Ha! Really ? The Cards have a great minor league system
and plenty of new tv money to spend! Lots of good pitching in the pipeline ! Don’t expect many losing years at all !
Seriously? You would have been ok with Mo making this same deal? Pass.
No, not this deal. But are you happy about the cubs making it? Are you happy about gregerson being our closer? I’m not saying they should have made this deal but there are plenty of areas we needed to improve on and we didn’t.
Now watch everybody else fall in line now. At least SP anyway.
Arrieta to Brewers
Lynn to Orioles
Cobb to Twins
now the cubs have 2 albatross contracts in Darvish and Heyward. Gonna turn out the same. Horrible for the Cubs. They may get 1 good year outta as he is NOT and ACE.
Lester was 6 years 155 million. That one is looking good.
it’s not that horrible of a deal. Do I have my doubts about Darvish, hell yeah. But honestly, it is hard to judge. 2017 was really his first full year coming back from TJ surgery….. and if you look at the numbers he was actually better than a lot of the Cubs starters last year.
Do I see the possibility for failure in this deal.. sure, pretty much every deal is likely to fail. But I also see the possibility that Darvish returns to form and gives the Cubs a least 3 solid years. If not…. oh well, it’s not my money. Chatwood and the $13M he’ll be making the next 3 years each year is more of a concern to me than Darvish making an AAV of $21M. I mean the Cubs paid Arrieta just over $15.5M last year. This is only $5.5M more than that. And quite honestly, even with this deal and looking at their other signings….. I think their team payroll still might be less or at the very most right at where it was last year. With Montero, Lackey, and Arrieta gone those three alone (not counting the other guys they let go) accounted for like $45M in payroll last year. Who were the “big” signings for the cubs this offseason? Chatwood, Morrow, and Darvish….. $13M, $9M, and $21M….. That’s $43M. The only other FA add I can think of was Cishek. He signed a 2 year $13M deal…. so that’s $6.5M. Wade Davis was paid $10M last year and is gone….. Bam… more savings.
It always baffles me how hung up people get about contracts…. as if they themselves are paying them, or as if the team can’t afford them. The Cubs payroll is still only like $170-175M…. just like it was last year. They could easily….. EASILY be up there with the Dodgers in the $220-230 neighborhood if they wanted to. Ricketts and the Cubs have so much money oozing out of every orifice they don’t know what to do with it….. and just wait another 2 years or so when they likely get their own TV network…. f**k TV deals, rumor has it they’ll start their own network a la Yankees style. When that happens they’ll literally have billions upon billions of dollars at their disposal. So again, I really don’t get why people get so da** hung up on contracts….. as if this team has the operating capacity of the Marlins or something. And even if they don’t get their own network they WILL definitely get a new TV deal and it WILL be insanely lucrative. So, yeah.
Its just a shame they wound up with Heyward. 28 million yearly for defense is just dumb. Almora is an excellent outfielder and only costs 500K lol!
Cubs are not paying Heyward anywhere near $28 AAV you troll
Heywards cap hit for 2017
And 2018 is $28 million! Then over $23 million the next 5 years ! Plus a $20 million dollar bonus!
The Heyward contract is not even comparable to Darvish. Heyward is basically just taking up space that can filled by somebody else. His place on the Cubs might be the one factor that prevents them from getting Harper next year.
Hey Rusty. Aces get $30 million plus fella. No he is not an ace and he is not paid like an ace
And these players were complaining about not getting paid. $126 million!!! SMH
as a cubs fan I like it we our still under the tax tv revenue deal up after 2019 to keep the younger players at that point we can go over the luxury tax
They will probably be over the tax… According to baseball reference it estimates them around 159 before Darvish and I don’t think that number includes the insurances and stuff
it depends on the contracts our loaded Hayward a lot where in the first 2 years I say there under because the tax gets to high after each year and we need to stay under for Russell etc in 2 years
They won’t be over the tax.
Cubs 2018 payroll was ~$164M (for luxury tax purposes) before the Darvish signing (source: Cot’s), That includes estimates for player benefits and other relatively minor expenses. If the AAV of Darvish’s deal is $25M, the Cubs 2018 payroll would currently project at $189M, which is $8M below the luxury tax threshold this year.
$21/year is good deal
If he only sees 5 years it’s ~$25/year which is still good.
If he only sees 4 years it ~$31/year which is just above what he was projected to average over 5 years.
Interested to hear about the incentives, but sounds like there no trade clauses or opt outs.
Full NTC and opt outs after year 2 and year 3.
I like the annual average salary, but 6 years……. yikes. Hopefully it’s FRONT loaded….. you know, a contract that would actually make sense. Never understood why teams backload contracts. Why pay a dude more per year at the end of a deal when they’re likely worthless.
On paper this is a stellar move. I’m not overly impressed with Darvish’s career though. He had like 1.5 years of top tier, Ace-like pitching. He’s just been mediocre or “just good” the rest of the time. Then for those who don’t understand the term “racist” you can call me that all you want, but it’s hard to ignore the long list of failed Asian baseball players….. especially when it comes to pitchers. I mean Hiroki Kuroda is the best Asian pitcher IMO to play the game. Nomo and Park get a lot of love…. for some reason, but when you go look at their numbers they were insanely mediocre…. #4 quality starters. Hopefully Darvish breaks the trend….. we shall see. I PRAY my skepticism is unwarranted and he dominates. Trust me. I’ll GLADLY admit my concerns were wrong come October if he finishes with 32+ starts and an ERA around 3.00-3.30 or under. If that’s what happens, Darvish, Lester, Hendricks, Quintana, and Chatwood is a pretty solid rotation. Personally, I still would like to see them use my hybrid 6th starter strategy. Use Chatwood and Montgomery in tandem in that 5th starter spot. Have Chatwood start every 5th day like normal, but he only goes, tops, 3-4 innings. Then after that, every time, insert Montgomery to go the next 3-4 innings. That almost guarantees you you’ll get 7-8 innings out of your duo in the 5th starting spot, essentially giving the bullpen the day off other than maybe a setup man and the closer. Then after the start both Chatwood and Montgomery rest until their next tandem start. I think this strategy would give INSANE production and value out of what normally is your weakest starter. Each pitcher would go through the lineup only once or twice. Pitchers, especially those of Chatwood and Montgomery’s caliber, generally have more and more trouble the more times they go through the lineup. In fact, looking at the stats on baseballreference I can roughly guesstimate that Chatwood’s ERA last year through the first three innings of the game was around 3.50. Not bad, especially for a 5th starter. But his ERA in the 4th inning onward was close to 6.00. Montgomery is the same way. I mean we all know this. He’s pretty stellar as a reliever, not so much as a starter. If he only has to face a lineup 1-1.5 times through it I think he’d be great. Then there is the added bonus of the innings each would eat up. With this strategy each guy would roughly pitch 120 innings. That’s 240 innings out of your (tandem) 5th starter. That alone is considerable value added to an otherwise weak roster spot. Not to mention the fact the much lighter workload would likely mean Chatwood does the impossible so far in his career, and actually stay healthy all year.
We shall see. It’s a pretty “out there” idea…. but not too out there. I mean I’ve heard broadcasters bring up this very strategy and many think it is the future of how pitching will work. I’m not normally keen to out of the box thinking when it comes to baseball….. mainly because the game is so old and the way it is is because it’s a proven method, and the out of the box ideas tried almost always have no effect if not a negative effect. Like most of Maddon’s decisions make me irate because they rarely work, it’s the talent level on this team that always bails his a** out, giving the illusion that Maddon’s decisions are better than they really are. But, Maddon is the right guy to have to try this tandem 5th/6th starter strategy. I see only positives from it and considerable added value to a rotation spot that is often dismissed. Seriously, it’s not too crazy to think that Chatwood/Montgomery “start” 33 games in 2018 with each pitching about 110-120 innings and Chatwwod having, say, a 3.50 ERA, and Montgomery an ERA around 3.00 (in his career Montgomery as a reliever, which is what he’ll essentially be still, owns a 2.29 ERA….. I think him having a 3.00 ERA with this strategy is pretty tame). That’s a 3.25 ERA from your tandem 5th starting spot which also pitches 220-240 innings for you….. that’s Ace-like production from your 5th spot. At least worth a shot IMO. Try it out until June and see how it’s working then and re-evaluate. Again, it’s essentially giving the bullpen a day off. OH YEAH, and with it being Chatwood and montgomery, the first 1-1.5 times through the lineup opponents will be facing a righty in Chatwood. Then in their 2nd and/or 3rd ABs they’ll be facing Montgomery – a lefty. Then if Morrow is the closer, in their 3rd or 4th AB they’ll be back to facing a righty. That would play hell on today’s manager who micromanages the hell out of games and loves to play matchups. not to mention the hell it will play on hitters, constantly changing the spot where the ball leaves the pitcher’s hand going from a righty to a lefty to a righty again. No getting into a groove I’d think for opposing hitters.
Whether it’s front or back loaded makes no difference in luxury tax hit. That’s the only thing that really matters when it comes to salary
That is one thing that matters and AAV only matters for the 5-6 high revenue teams that are close to the CBT threshold.
Not really. That’s the only thing that matters when it comes to payroll…… and the Cubs payroll is still well under the luxury tax threshhold. Contracts on the individual level I would say the yearly payout does matter….. at least on a logical standpoint. Darvish is going to likely have better years at the beginning of the contract than at the end. LOGICALLY it would make sense to pay him more of that total contract value at the beginning of the deal than at the end. Ideally you want you biggest contributors to team success being the ones making the most money on your team. So in Darvish making, say, $18M in 2018 and posting a statline of, say 18 wins, a 3.10 ERA, and about 10 K/9 IP is great, no doubt. But on year 5 or 6 when he’s winning maybe only 10 games and posts a 4.00 ERA with only 6-7 K/9 but making $25M a year….. it’s just bad money. An inferior player on your team is eating up more payroll space, inching you toward that luxury tax. So yes….. I would say front loaded and backloaded contracts make a difference. Mainly because when the player is making the mot money at the beginning of the deal but also providing a ton of production you don’t really have to make a big addition come the trade deadline, or in that upcoming offseason. But as the player’s production decreases over time – so does his salary, therefore making the decision to add better, more expensive talent via a trade of free agent signing possible due to more payroll space being available, and by that I mean more space until you hit the luxury tax threshold. So while in the grand scheme of it all, front and backloaded deals do effect a team’s payroll inching toward the luxury tax.
I did a horrible job explaining it, but you saying front and backloaded makes no difference makes zero sense at all. The fact you got 3 up votes tells me there are more nonsensical fools out there too who don’t understand the concept of talent to value ratios. Front loaded vs backloaded makes a MASSIVE difference. Or do you think that Albert Pujols and his backloaded deal isn’t hurting the Angels right now. If you say it isn’t you’ve made it clear….. you’re an idiot. Now if Pujols’ contract was getting smaller and smaller each year because it was front loaded…… it wouldn’t be that bad of a contract. Point is, you want your best players to be paid the most on your team and front loaded contracts almost guarantee that….. almost….. at least they do MUCH more than backloaded deals which are almost guarantees to be horrible contracts. Because a team will need to add more talent and therefore more money down the road, but their now mediocre player (at best) who was a big deal 3-4 years ago is taking up even MORE of the payroll with his backloaded contract, making it difficult to sign that younger, better player and still staying under the luxury tax threshold. I can’t believe people believe otherwise or don’t get the basic principles of cost effective ratios.
Bobby Bonilla is STILL sucking wind out of the Mets financials……..Incredible.
How’s that looking………LOL
KB isn’t the luxury tax threshold going up in dollars with each year? So if that’s the case, it keeps the contracts about the same, give or take on future contracts
I think it goes to $209 million next year! But not positive!
Does anyone read KB’s eyesore novels? Nope no one does but keep writing the novels no one reads KB
His meth musta kicked in, big time.
Swapping Arrieta for Darvish seems like a lateral move. Cubs stay status quo, Brewers get better, Dodgers are worse and Giants are better. Should be interesting in the NL this year.
Hahahahaha!!!! “Lateral move.” Everything about this comment is just so wrong. Love it!
cubs added Chatwood to rotation. Clear upgrade from Lackey. Also added Morrow and Cishek. Lost Davis. Russell healthy(for now). On paper a better team than last year.
Hahaha. You realize the Cubs are ridiculously young, right? Their position players will be even better this year. That’s the scary part. Milwaukee has zero pitching. Chicago has a boatload of it. That’s the enormous difference.
“Zero pitching”
How will any opposing teams even get a hit? Bold move, Cotton!
This may be the comment of the year. “Milwaukee has zero pitching”. Um, did you notice that both the Cubs and the Brewers had top 10 pitching staffs last year? Do your homework next time before you blurt out a pile of BS, please…
You better check the regression likelihood for Davies and Anderson as well as the track record for returns from labrum surgery which I personally can vouch for. Then realize next in line is Chacin and assorted hot garbage. No, Milwaukee doesn’t have pitching. Let that sink in.
You do know that even almighty Cub players can regress
and get hurt too right?
The only interesting thing in the NL will be the wildcard. Dodgers, Cubs and Nats win their divisions.
It is somewhat lateral-ish. But I don’t think it’s exactly status quo with the swap of Chatwood for Lackey. Young players will get better, moving into their primes. Bullpen has some good arms – not sure what impact losing Davis will have. Brewers played above their ability last year (or so it seems to me), and they have some solid additions this year. Without pitching adds, I think they fall short. Dodgers are NOT worse (lol) – I would put them in the “status quo” category. Being the Dodgers, that means they are still a team with monster-sized talent. And yes, Giants will be interesting this year!
The Dodgers lost both Darvish and Morrow without adding anybody. How are they not worse than they were?
I forgot about the loss of Morrow, who was a post-season beast for them. I still think they’re okay with the rotation without Darvish. I guess I can’t argue that they lost a step. I still think that they’re probably the best team in the NL even without those two because they’re still loaded! I guess Cubs kind of did a number on them taking both their pitchers. LOL
The Dodgers probably aren’t going to win 104 games again this year but not because they don’t have Darvish, since he wasn’t really a factor in them wining 104 games last year. The loss of Morrow hurts for sure, but then he wasn’t a factor for the entire season either. The keys for the Dodgers rotation are: Kershaw’s back, Hill starting off the season the way he finished the last one, and pretty much the opposite for Wood.
I don’t get how the Brewers got better. They already had a pretty offensively stout outfield last year. Their problem last year was competent pitching. Their problem this year is still…. competent pitching. Jimmy Nelson is their only semi intimidating pitcher in their rotation and he has a bum shoulder….. yeah. What’s his name, Chase Anderson?, had a SHOCKER of a year last year. The 30 year old journeyman happened to have a career year. If people are expecting that year in and year out they are setting themselves up for heartache. After those two, a DL player and a 30 year old journeyman, their rotation drops off considerably…… and it wasn’t really starting at a high point to drop off from, haha. Knebel out of their pen is the only “star” I’d say on that staff. UNless they have some insanely promising young pitching prospects to debut this year….. it’s the same team as last year pretty much.
Also, why do people think Lorenzo Cain is this top tier talent? He’s the black Nick Markakis….. or Black Martin Prado. Before you dismiss those comparisons…. actually look at their career numbers…… prepare to be humbled. I don’t recall Braves fans puffing out their chests when they signed Markakis…. yet Brewers fans (and the media….. classic idiots) are acting like Cain is one of the best all around OFers in the game when reality says he’s an average player. Then to top it off….. he’s ALWAYS injured. In the last 5 years this is Cain’s average statline:
129 GP, .291 BA, .345 OBP, .767 OPS, 10 HRs, 20 SBs. 107 OPS+
Not bad by any means….. but UNBELIEVABLE like people are making it out to be? No.
Here is Markakis over the same timespan and his averages
158 GP, .277 BA, .348 OBP, .728 OPS, 10 HRs, 1 SB. 99 OPS+
About the same…. maybe a hair worse. Point is, Cain at the very least is BARELY better than Markakis. And whatever Markakis lacks he more than makes up for in reliability in staying on the field…. an area where Cain fails miserably.
As for Prado, he was injured a good amount last year or was benched most of the time. But in the 5 year span from 2012-2016 here are his 5 year averages
147 GP, .292 BA, .343 OBP, .759 OPS, 11 HRs, 5 SBs. 108 OPS+
Damn near identical. What Cain does in SBs, Prado made up for in health and staying on the field.
Point is….. Cain is hardly this superstar people are making him out to be. Yelich, honestly isn’t the stud people are making him out to be either IMO. Don’t get me wrong here either, he’s a good player. Hits for solid averages across the board….. but it’s not like he’s bashing the ball with the best of them. He’s a fringe 20HR hitter. Hits about 35-40 doubles…. nothing too flashy. People are acting like the Brewers added two dudes who hit well over .300 and can bash 35+ HRs year in and year out. Combined they can’t even hit 35 HRs.
I’m not saying the Brewers are going to be a bad team. I think predictions are kind of futile honestly. But I DO think they over performed last year, and I honestly don’t see any moves they’ve made this offseason to be significantly better. And for a team supposedly in the middle of a rebuild….. they just traded their best prospect away this offseason….. and are a team full of veterans from other teams. Where are the young, promising prospects on this team?…… and if their farm is so good….. why haven’t I heard any buzz about any of their prospects….. other than the one they just traded away to Miami. I mean on their MLB page they have a kid named Corey Ray as their number 1 prospect….. WHO?! A high single A outfielder who hit a whopping .238 last year in single A. Yeah. Their #2 prospect is Luis Ortiz a RHP who in double A last year possessed a 4.01 ERA…. ooooooh doggy. #3 prospect? Another RHP in Brandon Woodruff who made his MLB debut last year and pitched 43 innings to the tune of a 4.81 ERA… his minors numbers in triple A weren’t much better in 16 starts and 75+ IP….. he had a 4.31 ERA there. None of those guys are top 50 MLB prospects. So again, Milwaukee….. where are these highly touted prospects from your highly ranked farm system? Bleacher Report has/had your system at #7 in MLB. But that was with Brinson…. i can’t imagine he had THAT much value impact on your farm system…… but maybe he did because looking at the top 30 on MLB…. pretty uninspiring.
You win this thread. It won’t be until May u till Brewers fans realize just how bad their pitching is and by July they will have moved on to Packers preseason games. Just like they’ve done every year of their existence.
A tome and you still don’t get how they got better? Yelich and Cain are 8 WAR better than their LF and CF last season. 8 wins better with just two additions. Since both are plus defenders they also make the pitching staff better.
The Brewers had a top 10 pitching staff. No problem with pitching. They even added depth.
Didn’t read the rest of your BS after that. Blow two facts so totally and a whole bunch more words won’t help with your sorry argument.
Brevity, please.
Dude! Take a breath!
Good signing by the Cubs talent-wise, but definitely on overpay both in terms of dollars and years, but a solid pitcher for the most part. He will have to prove he can pitch big games.
Most pitchers have big declines at age 34. Many fall off a cliff. Now if you take into account his arm issues, Cub’s fans should be concerned. Ask the Yankees how many playoff runs they had after they overpaid the aging Sabathia. Bottom line is this would have been a foolish signing by any big league team.
If the Cubs win in his first 3 seasons as a Cub before his age 34 season, then years 4-5-6 don’t matter at all.
If it prevents them from signing someone in the future – ala Ellsbury and Kemp – it will matter.
But go on and keep pretending
CC’s contract worked out very well for the Yankees. So well that we brought him back almost immediately this offseason. The Yankees have given out some contacts that went sour at the end (Teixeira, A-Rod’s last deal, Ellsbury deal) but CC is one I don’t think anyone is regretting
Great signing. Fits the Cubs window perfectly. Can’t wait to watch Brew Crew struggle to hit 80 wins
This year is Yu, next year is Bryce Harper. Dynasty baby!!!!!!
Cobb would’ve been a better signing
Cobb would mean losing a draft pick(s) and he has not proven to be any better or durable than Darvish.
Doesn’t that depend on what he’d sign for?
Why Darvish is better and paid only slightly more then Cobb demanded on AAV and Cubs obtain a draft pick instead of losing one which is a net +2 in picks to boot!
The Brewers made this happen by getting free agents and submitting an offer to Darvish. The Brewers never wanted Darvish not for 6 years at least, he was the 16th best sp in baseball, forgets how to pitch in the postseason and is starting his decline years. Congrats Cubs enjoy your grossly overpaid non ace top pitcher.
Enjoy perpetual mediocrity.
Me as a person or my favorite team or the Brewers… I’m going to assume that you mean the Brewers even though I never said I was a Brewers fan I’m just saying the Cubs offered 6yrs because of what the Brewers have done this off-season. Also seems like a bad contract.
The brewers had to hold a special purchase day for y’all so we didn’t invade again. Enjoy the foot long in your throat all year
Way to keep it classy Cubs fans. You clearly aren’t overcompensating for anything.
Oh another person who thinks teams make reaction moves. Funny
Thank you. We will.
No one in the Cubs’ rotation is a true ace, but it’s still the sickest staff in the game.
If you don’t count the Nationals, Astros, Indians and Diamondbacks. But I’ll give you that the Cubs might be 5th definitely top10.
Add the Red Sox and Brewers. Cubs pretty much stayed the same. Top 10. Not top 5.
Brewers? And the Red Sox only have Sale and then 4 huge question marks
Sale, Price, Porcello, Pomeranz, Wright. 3 Cy Young winners. Take that rotation every day and twice on Sunday over the Cubs.
Price might be hurt or struggle again. Porcello is an alright middle of the rotation pitcher who has had one outlier season. Pomeranz is good but who knows if he struggles again
So the Brewers set the market? Hahahaha. Enjoy 30 starts from Chacin, Davies and other assorted steaming garbage.
Once JD & Boras realize he won’t get more than 5 yrs than the position players could fall in line.
JD to Boston
Hosmer to San Diego
Morrison to KC
Moose to KC
LuCroy to Mets
Duda to Rays
Buatista to Braves
Gomez to O’s
CarGo to DBacks
As a brewers fan i am so happy they did not sign him. Now we can go out and sign Cobb and or trade for archer.
Cobb is overrated and probably will never be sub 3.50 ERA pitcher. At least Darvish has proven to be a regular season winner. You have to get to the postseason first, and the Brewers are not there yet.
I can see where you’re coming from but I’d have to disagree with the postseason comment. Brewers are there. Almost won the division last year. Adding cain and Yelich to that offense and adding a couple nice bullpen guys is huge. Rotation needs work and i predict that they will get a big time pitcher. Remember they have Santana as a trade piece and can flip him in a package for a stud starter.
Almost won the division? How about faded incredibly from the AS break? Or, overachieved significantly early? Your staff is awful….and psst….nobody wants Santana let alone for a top SP.
Santana would be the best all -around OF for the Cubs! LoL
new season. nobody is in the postseason right now. Brewers missed by one game and they are significantly better offensively. bullpen is still better than the Cubs.
also why the hell would darvish use the optouts after two or three years? he’d be 34-35. nobody is going to give him any more money at that point.
I’m telling ya the brewers will make a splash most likely in the trade market. I have so much faith in stearns
Nobody wants Santana. You realize that, right?
You realize that this site has reported that 8 teams have asked about Santana since the Yelich trade and Cain signing right?
Brewers got 8-10 wins better with the changes in the OF. Cobb or Archer put them over the top into the playoffs. Darvish could be a better pitcher than either of those, but for a small market team a shorter term or a trade is a better business decision.
where do you get your 8 to 10 win number from? Fan graphs has it at 1.5.
Fangraphs has the team at 1.5 wins better. Those two put up a combined 8.6 WAR while the Brewers LF and CF put up a combined 1.6 WAR. I took what Eno Sarris said as correct and got it wrong. They were 7 wins last year.
Add in the increase in pitching performance having better defenders in the OF and that might mean another win or 2.
Hahaha, my favorite part of these comments. The SAME fans pleading for Yu to come for the Brewers are the SAME ones claiming they are glad they didn’t sign him. Save it. Oh and a 21 AAV is RIDICULOUSLY low for Darvish. Theo played the market like a champ!
I think they are glad they didn’t sign him for 6 years, actually…and I agree. AAV won’t mean much when his performance declines rapidly and you have 4 years left on his contract to swallow.
And win 75 games.
21 million per year isn’t too bad if Darvish can put up good numbers in Chicago and avoid the disabled list. The Cubs now have 5 quality starters, a very good bullpen, and a great offensive lineup to put on the field. They will probably win 100 games, but this is not a team that will do well in the postseason without an ace pitcher. I am interested to see how Chatwood matures, because he actually has some of the best stuff out there for starting pitchers
I’ll take 3 #2s and #3 with a ton of playoff experience with the bullpen they have now in the regular season and playoffs. National league favorites for sure
Lester can rebound and be the Ace he should be. Not to mention Hendricks. Experience is a plus
That’s a really good deal.
That sucks.
This hot stove is really cooking!!
Domino number one…
100 more to go.
Finally we can get the hot stove burning!!!!!
6 for a guaranteed 126?!?!? I LOVE that AAV! 21/per is fantastic for Darvish! Well done Jed/Theo! Way to be patient and wait out the market. I would have been thrilled at 5/125. This is fantastic!!!!
I disagree. 21 million per year for a guy the wrong side of 30 with a history of arm problems. This is the exact type of move Cub’s front offices from 1909 to 2015 would love. The Cubs now have a rotation relying Jon Lester and Darvish- two guys who have proven to be dominant and legitimate gamers when they were in their primes. Unfortunately both are past their primes and their best days are behind them. The Cubs are now committed to paying 21 million for a 37 year old Yu Darvish after giving out a contract whose latter half will encompass Darvish’s age 35-37 seasons. In 2020 Lester will 36 and Darvish will be 34. The Cubs will be paying in excess of 50 million in 2020 for two pitchers who will be 34 and 36. This is just bad decision making. What are the chances both avoid lengthy dl stays? Who do they sign then? Do they just circle 2020 on the calendar and say this is when the next rebuild starts?
The Cubs front office has embarrassed itself since achieving the ultimate goal in the history of sports. The last time they gave out a big deal like the one to Darvish was when they signed Heywood. How did that work out for them? Does anyone think they are happy with that signing?
Hahaha, I wonder why those who actually get paid for their opinion had him at 6/160 min! Hmmm, also, how did the Lester signing work out for the Cubs? It’s quite obvious that you’re bitter that Cash couldn’t move Ellsbury (talk about an embarrassing contract BTW) so they could go after Yu. I get it, your tears taste sweet to me. Oh, in addition to Lester and Yu, the Cubs also have Hendricks and Q. I’ll take that top 4 in a playoff series against ANYONE. You think you’re bitter now… wait, it gets better. Theo already said that they’ll blow by the luxury tax NEXT winter with minimal penalties because, unlike the Yankees are now, the Cubs will NOT be repeat offenders. You think you’re a sad hater now? Stay tuned, it’s only gonna get worse. This Cubs core hasn’t even peaked yet… they’re just getting started.
My dear friend, trust me when I say I never wanted the Yankees to sign Darvish. I look at his age, the lack of post season success, history of arm problems and up and down 2017 and I get scared. I would much rather have Alex Cobb because he comes from the AL East. The Cubs will regret making this move. You gave six years to an aging pitcher who did’nt perform in the post season.
I don’t see the Cubs spending big next year. With this deal, the Lester deal, the Heywood deal, and the raises that will go to the Cubs (somewhat overrated) “young core”, Bryant, Rizzo, Happ ect this team won’t be able to afford anymore prominent free agents. Say Matt Harvey has a down year the Cubs might be able to get him on a one year deal 5 million dollar deal or something similar but nothing beyond lower tier free agents and guys trying to bounce back. Maybe a guy like RA Dickey or Nick Markakis end their careers with the Cubs. As far as Harper, Machado, and Kershaw, the only way they see the home clubhouse at Wrigley is if they take a tour in the off season.
Theo made it very clear that they would continue to stay under the luxury tax until winter 2018 then go nuts. They’ll get the min penalty as they won’t be repeat offenders. I believe they will go hard after Harper. His buddy Bryant will help the cause, the fact their window to win is open til at least 2022 will certainly help the cause. The Cubs have plenty of money, no worries there. I predict Kershaw stays in LA. Machado goes to NY and Harper goes to the Cubs. All 3 teams are built to contend for the foreseeable future.
1909 to 2015 huh? Funny, the front office they have now has been here since 2011. Try again, troll.
how did the Heyward signing work out for them? They won the world series that year and made it to the NLCS the next so id say not too bad so far
You guys should worry more about those 500 k’s that lurch and stanton will be bringing not about the cubs. Your pitching is also trash other then your bp, good luck next year, u won’t get lucky like last year..
How do you act like you know baseball and continue to call him Heywood?
Yankeeaddition your a joke. Just 2 weeks ago you were saying that the next move the brewers make will be adding Darvish. Now all of a sudden he signs with the cubs and he is on the wrong side of 30, has arm problems, blah blah blah. Take your diarrhea of the mouth to another comment section.
Decision 1). Sign Lester, result – win World Series.
Decision 2). Sigh Heyward. Gives Game 7 speech, result – win World Series.
Decision 3). Send yankee addiction immediate medical, mental and psychological help, result- save a deeply disturbed and lost soul. Good luck in the asylum.
How much is the hourly rate for a regular worker in the US? 10 dollars? 12? Maybe 14 in California? What a joke, some athletes and their salaries! market or not…
It’s economics. Athletes bring in millions of dollars of revenue to their team owners and their respective sport and as such you have to pay them accordingly.
Not to mention it’s a talent you’re not just going to find on any street corner. Being a professional player at this level is few and far between.
When you start bringing in millions of millions of dollars on your own to your company’s bottom line and you’re still only being paid $10 an hour, then you can talk.
6.5 million play amateur and professional baseball through the minors. Only 750 major league players.
But do you make Burger King millions
and millions of dollars to flip burgers for them? Ok then! Now you get it!
It feels great to FINALLY talk about something significant in baseball again in what has been the most boring off season in recent memory !
Huh kinda good ig good enough for cubs
Good for them for 2018. No chance at signing Harper next year and they’ll be challenged in resigning both Bryant and Rizzo when their contracts will be up. And if he proves to be a truly bad pitcher in the postseason this will prove to be a major overpay. Darvish/Heyward for $50+ million/year alone.
Wrong.
Hahaha, if you’re gonna troll at least be better at it. This is a GREAT signing. Most, including myself, really liked Yu at 5/125. At 6/126 I LOVE him! Theo called his bluff. He knew the Dodgers and Yanks couldn’t spend anymore this winter. He knew Yu wanted no part of Milwaukee or Minny. Also, Theo said they can blow by the luxury tax next winter as long as they aren’t repeat offenders (like the Dodgers and Yanks) They got plenty of money and have made no secret that they will use it next winter. In a normal market, with all the typical spenders spending, Yu signs for A LOT more.
Add the money they will be paying Lester. In 2020 The Cubs will be paying over 70 million to a 34 year old Darvish, 36 year old Lester and Jason Heywood. There will be major questions as to whether or not they will be able to sign Rizzo and Bryant as they will have so much money tied up in players that are unlikely to be productive..
Harper to the Cubs isn’t really THAT difficult to envision.
After 2018, Heyward’s NTC changes to a “Partial No-Trade Clause”. I think they’ll move him somewhere (yes, they are hoping he’s better at the plate in ’18), making room financially and logistically for a New RF.
It could happen.
The Cubs print money. And Harper wants to play with Bryant. The only thing the Darvish signing does is make it MORE LIKELY Harper comes to a Chicago. Let that sink in.
His name is Heyward, not Heywood. If you’re going to try to troll baseball, at least understand what you’re trolling.
Rampant Brewer fan here. So happy this has finally happened. Good move for the Cubs. Let’s get this party started.
He makes them better this year but 6 years seems like a reach, feels unlikely to me that he exercises the opt outs.
Cubs can have yu and I’ll take Cobb for my brewers at probably the same money as Cain.
I’d rather have Lynn
Sure you would, sure kid.
I’m glad you don’t.
Haha, if Lynn’s mom was a GM she wouldn’t sign him over Darvish, Jake or even Cobb.
You sir are 100% correct. Based on his age and likely contract Cobb would be a much better signing. I disagree on the contract being similar to Cain’s. In this market, with his history I think Cobb will get 3 years at around 45 million with either a team or player option for the 4th year.
But your Brewers have not signed Cobb or any pitchers to date
With Cobb you’ll win 75 games. Check out his strike out rate lately? Soft toasters fade extremely quickly.
I didn’t want The Cubs to sign him, mainly because I’m a Pirate fan, and The Cubs are a divison rival.
The Cubs and Pirates might have a similar record in 2018.
No they won’t. Cubs are actual contenders. Pirates are in a semi rebuild.
Take a look at the Cubs roster. As constructed this is a team that cannot withstand an injury. An injury to Bryant or Rizzo could be disasterous for them. They have no closer and Zobrist and Lester will be a year older. If the Cubs only win 75 games in 2018 it would not be surprising.
You are clueless about baseball.
You’re an idiot.
Bryant gets injured.. Baez moves over to 3B and Happ goes to 2B.
The Cubs have more positional depth than just about any team in baseball.
While Bryant and Rizzo are their biggest producers in their line-up, they’re not their only producers. They would still have Wilson Contreas, Albert Almora, Javier Baez, Schwarber’s power, Zobrist, and Ian Happ. Most of their starers are better than The Pirates as well.
If Rizzo got injured, I feel that they’d move Bryant to 1st, Baez to 3rd, and Happ to 2B. Schwarber might even see some time there this year.
yankeeaddict isn’t even a troll. Just a trolls behind.
No they don’t! Their minor league system is at the bottom of MLB !
You know it’s a good signing by the Cubs when national sports talk sound like their dog died talking about it. LoL. Congrats to Cubbie fans, enjoy it while you can. The White Sox are coming!
True and true. This crosstown rivalry will have some real teeth to it in a couple years.
Indeed the Sox are coming! I’m interested to see what they have going on this year. It’s not time for a breakout, but man they have cleaned up on trades!
Yeah, Rick Hahn is a good gm. It’s too bad they didn’t let him actually run things sooner.
Yep, I agree. Hahn wanted to rebuild back in 2015, Kenny and JR tied his hands. This crosstown rivalry will actually be a rivalry in a couple of years, both teams will be REALLY good.
Jesus.
I’m a cub fan still like the Sox , my brother is a Sox fan hates the cubs. He says the Sox will be good in 3-4 years. I think they’ll be good this year and contend next year. It’ll be fun
Yes the White Sox are coming. Rick Hahn is doing a great job
I find it funny how people are saying “overpaid.” I guess that’s usually the go to phrase though for pretty much any signing…. albeit completely unoriginal. And in this case it actually makes no sense. Darvish was projected to sign a 6 year $140-$160M by a lot of people (those are the extremes I saw…. a couple spots including this site at the $160 figure, MLB,com with the $140 figure). Last I checked $140-$160 was more than $126. So if anything this is a bargain. And same goes for Heyward if you can actually recall the offseason he signed. He actually took LESS money to sign with the Cubs….. meaning there were actual offers handing out MORE money and years than the Cubs did. I believe one of those teams was actually the Cardinals. Did the contract work out….. meh, most would say no, but the reason they offered heyward the money they did wasn’t because he was this prolific HR hitter, or even a prolific hitter in general. They gave him that money because of his leadership skills and defensive ability. And from rumors/reports you hear coming from the locker room he’s a solid leader and as for his defensive ability…. well, hasn’t he won a GG each year he’s been here? Heyward is falling into the Alfonso Soriano trap. People are going to bi**h about the money he’s getting paid (even though they aren’t the ones paying the man) while he’s on the team, and then when he leaves they’re going to realize that he pretty much posted his career average numbers every year and provided the team the top notch defense they signed him for in the first place. Heyward has a career .262 BA and a .346 OBP I believe. He hit .259 last year with a .326 OBP….. Not to far off from his career NORMS. I don’t get why people think he would be much better. Sure you can HOPE he gets better, I know I did, but as long as he hits around his career marks can you really call the guy a failure? I mean it’s not like the Cubs’ front office didn’t know what they were getting into. I’m sure they didn’t give Heyward the deal they did because they thought with that money he’d magically turn into a .290+ hitter every year with a .390 OBP and bash 25+ HRs ON TOP of the GG defense. And again…. they didn’t even offer Heyward the most money. yet people still lament how it was a “dumb deal” or how he’s overpaid. It’s crazy. On multiple fronts, because if we’re going to talk about contribution to society ALL athletes (and everyone in Hollywood for that matter) are insanely overpaid. But it all comes down to the exclusivity of the job. MLB and all pro sports leagues are a unique business. unique in that MLB revenues per year are now at the $10 BILLION mark. Yet the number of actual employees, the ones who actually draw in that money – the players, only total 750. That’s incredible. Then toss in the fact that on top of how few job openings there are, the prospective employee pool is incredibly small as well. So of course athletes are going to get compensated ridiculous amounts. And I believe it was written about on here just the other day, but players get about 40% of the MLB pie. You typical company allocates about 55-62% of revenue toward employee salaries. So if anything…. Heyward and Darvish and EVERYONE else in MLB are significantly UNDER paid.
Well if people want to talk about being overpaid when some players shouldn’t make the money they do, cough cough ellsbury, but I could argue for some players. But if you want to talk about being underpaid just look at NHL players salaries.
You don’t pay heyward THAT much for leadership and defense, crack pipe much?:)
It’s begun…
At least we hope so. Maybe it will start a chain reaction of major signings.
Good pitcher. Hope he gets another try at the playoffs so he can redeem himself and change those stats. Good contract, he is not what he was when he first came in to the league but can still go far in starting games. Cubs should start looking to give Hendricks a good contract as well before he decides to leave them in the future.
While expected, still impressive addition by Cubs. Suspect they are not yet done, either.
FINALLY! Someone significant signs! Maybe now the hot stove will begin only 4 months after the season ends!
Cheers to Cubs fans. Nice rotation!
But seriously, whoever wrote this article…you say things “escalated to a boiling point in recent weeks due to teams’ unwillingness to meet the asking prices of many top free agents”
Really?? It’s all the teams fault??? Because they aren’t willing to over pay for aging free agents projected to decline during a relatively weak free agent class?
If you’re going to point fingers at owners who don’t want to overpay players on the decline, then also point fingers at the agents whose pride and desire for a bigger payday may also be playing a factor in the lack of movement. It’s a 2-way street and the tide has shifted to the youth movement for the time being.
Well said.
I second that. Well said!
They are pointing fingers at teams that have failed to sign 100+ FA this offseason. 1 in 8 players that were on teams rosters at seasons end remain unsigned.
Does this mean Arrieta signs with the cardinals and the Cards Cubs rivalry causes the stakes to go higher?
I almost forgot about Arrieta. Would be nice if he took a small deal with a big pay day to a contending team.
Brewers maybe? 3 year offer of maybe 25 a season.
I think the brewers would do better to sign Alex Cobb to 4years and 55-60 million and resign Neal Walker to a 1year 7-8 million deal
No. This Cubs team will disappoint in 2018.
Stanton will hit 15 HRs and Judge will be sent to AAA by May. See….everyone can type inflammatory rhetoric.
Ok Yankee. You obviously hope so as you fear the Cubs!!
Considering what the Yanks did to Cubs pitching last year, I think the fear is reversed.
This Cubs team will disappoint Brewers fans on 2018.
I don’t think this will be a horrendous deal for the Cubs, but people are severely undervaluing the full NTC and two opt-outs that Darvish got.
Brewers still need one starting pitcher to match up.
I think they sign Lynn.
Jimmy Nelson will be back at some point in the 1st half they say…..we’ll see.
You’re nuts if you count on Nelson. Please stop listening to reports of him throwing early and instead do some research on labrum surgery and it’s impact on the throwing athlete. And use Andrew Luck as Exhibit A.
Then use Michael Pineda as Exhibit B. At least
(Currently recovering from TJ—NOT Torn Labrum)
I’ve seen Pineda pitch after his Torn Labrum surgery yes enigma he may be— but he recovered.
Torn Labrums are more serious than TJ Surgery, but they’re not a death spell.
If win WS in next 2 years good signing. If not 4 years for 2 players who stink is bad at 50 mill big market or not.
I was hoping he’d resign with Texas just so we could we see Oh and Yu on the same team
I’m assuming you mean an all star game. Cause Ohtani is in Los Angeles
Watch the Brewers respond by signing Arrieta and watch Arrieta end up being the better pitcher.
How about you hold your breath instead? Ready? Go!
Regardless of who he signs with, if JA outpitches YD, there will be some questioning of those that made the decisions.
Doubt it. If the Brewers sign anyone it be Lynn – There not going to meet JA demands, if they low balled Darvish at 5-100 which was their offer. JA going to be at least 6-125 Maybe 5-130
Get for real man. Head games wont work with Cubs fans, We laugh at you haters not with you.
Oh ok troll. Lets watch that
This is why I love baseball. If the Brewers Yankees or Twins signed Yu their fans would love it. They don’t sign them and there is a war of words between teams fans. To any team Yu is a good signing. He’s not being overpaid based on the market. Yes he has his issues and this contract may be a bust. But who can predict that? The best contract is the minor league contract and a rising superstar like Kris Bryant, Trout, Harper. But eventually those guys need to get paid. Yu wants to get paid and he did. He fills the Cubs starting pitching void and that’s all that matters. I think this solidifies then as the favorite in the Central. Only time will tell
Haha, exactly. They should at least change usernames before their weak and transparent attempts at trolling. The exact same usernames were all over the Yanks moving Ellsbury’s horrible contract to sign Yu. Brewers fans even more so, Theo is patient and gets him at well below his projected AAV, also there is no draft pick compensation, no international money lost. This is a GREAT deal!
Wow, getting to pitch in the non-DH league in front of that defense….this could be a very special season for Darvish.
I love it!!!
cubs fans win their first title in 108 years and now they have swag like yankees fans that actually have a ton of titles. its cute.
So wait a minute, Yankees fans are still super-excited about, say, the 1932 World Series? Or the 1949 Series? I’m not a Cubs fan – I think they are a well-run team that had a plan and executed it perfectly, but it’s a little silly for Yankees fans to constantly tout this unreachable number of championships – most of which were earned before most of us were born and when the Yankees absolutely dominated the other teams financially and, of course, in the reserve-clause era.
Mad Bro? You just better hope your Sox can keep up with your division. Hows Price doing for you for that 217 Million lol
He’s a White Sox fan
He’s a Western Indiana Sux fan trying to talk sh**?!?! Really?!? HAHAHA It took them almost 90 years to win. The difference is nobody cared, because no one pays attention to Sux. How many times has ESPN literally forgot about the 05 ship, hilarious. Under the Theo, the plan has gone perfectly.
Oh look, another jealous Cubs fan. White Sox fans are Chicagoans. Cubs fans? Most of them are wine-and-cheese eating yuppies who relocated to a Chicago suburb after college. Thus, the tension with “city dwellers”. Just remember, all the hatred and snobbery invokes negative karma and kismet. And who watches or cares about ESPN anymore?
Wine and cheese eating yuppies who moved to the suburbs? Wow are you out of touch. Sounds like a typical Sox fan jealous of all cubdom. Careful there karma may bit you
Well, I figured “wine…cheese eating yuppies” sounded better than “elitist scumbags who hate real Chicagoans,” but you get the point. Most of losers live in Schamburgh or Naperville and aren’t even from the Chi originally.
I wouldn’t live in Chicago if you paid my rent or mortgage. And I’m from Chicago. Got out when I was 18 and never going back
Oh how should Cubs fans act ole wise one? 100 year thing is history. Its been one year now and the Cubs are a force to be reckoned with with a well oiled machine large window smartest front office in baseball and a cash cow.
Some people like yourself just cannot handle it. Haha too bad
Enjoy the roller coast ride, Cubs fans.
We will indeed. Putting a top 20 starter with the best defense in MLB….delicious.
I like the roller coaster. Some like the merry go round. That just goes round and round. I like the roller coaster!
Not word for word but from the movie Parenthood
so are the escalators based on whether he pitches x number of innings in a year or over a couple years?
the Cubs are in win now mode, and id prefer him over Arrietta, so i cant knock the Cubs..
but it truly is amazing; you guarantee a guy 21 mil a year for 6 years AND give him escalators if he stays healthy and/or pitches well AND you give him multiple opt outs, AND a no trade;
the team taking on all the risk in a contract for an over 30 pitcher who has already had major surgery. the agent who first got a team to accept these opt out deals should get a commission every time another play gets one now.
Being 32 this season you would want him to opt out before he’s pitching for you at mid to late 30s?
I wonder if any commenters on here would have liked Yu Darvish on their team for around 5/$125???
Bingo as that was the rumor 5/125 so its 1 million for one mor year
Is it just me wondering how all these “rotation projections” have Quintana as the #4?
Because the three guys above him are better.
What are you talking aboot?
This signing will ultimately bite the Cubs in the a.. big time.
Clayton Kershaw has an ERA at 4.35 in the postseason, including 4.75 in the NlCS. The DOdgers should release him.
lol. Sale gave up 6 runs in his game last year which cost Boston a trip to the ALCS. They should trade him for a few prospects, BUT not top 100.
I like Darvish as a pitcher but he is no longer an ace in my view. I see him going forward as a #2. Good signing by the cubs but irresponsible length of term. Six years is ridiculous for a pitcher of this age. Who cares if ihe has an opt out, six years is too long. If they get 5 years out of him and similar performance, they’ll be very lucky.
So the Cubs rotation will be: Lester, Darvish, Hendricks, Quintana, Chatwood and “my” BlueJays have strengthened their pitching staff how? By trading away one of their best setup guys. Yeesh, and people wonder why I say the Jays won’t be even close to competing this year. #scoutseyes
Is Yu a fly ball pitcher? Watching the World Series kind of inflated that thought for me and thus made the idea of him in Chicago puzzling for me.
Oh well, I still see Hendricks and Lester having better 2018’s than Darvish
Why is it puzzling to you? Let me guess you think Wrigley Field is a homer haven?
Wrong. The wind blows in much more in Chicago then it blows out
Thanks for the response. I really enjoyed the part where you didn’t answer my question and ridiculed a thesis I didn’t make.
It’s not a “homer haven” but friendlier to the long ball than some. Wrigley and Miller didn’t seem like fits for Darvish in my opinion but whatever
Sorry to have offended you bigcokeslusjy
Sorry to have offended you
Breaking News: Darvish fails physical. Signs with Orioles for 3 years and 40 million with a potential of 60 more million over five years.
Just kidding!!!
Oh your kidding. Wow you had everyone going.
Darvish, Quintana, Hendricks, Lester, Chatwood
Anderson, Davies, Chacin, Souter, Gallardo
End. Of. Discussion.
Who is Souter?
“Twentyforty,” Cubs have the better rotation on paper, you’re right. But my guess is the Brewers aren’t done yet.
What about the rest of the team? Brewers have a much better closer and outfield. Infield and catcher may shake out about even.
Infield and catcher even? Are you expecting Kris Bryant to get hurt for the entire year or something?
6 years? Yikes, that’s a long contract for a guy who is 31 years old. Glad the Brewers didn’t get him at that longevity. I’d love to see Cobb but only at 3 or 4, hopefully Stearns rolls with what he has right now.
Beats ZG who makes 34.5 Million each year for 6 years lol
Yay, gotta love the disparity in baseball right now. Teams like the Marlins, A’s, Reds have a rotation of #5 starters meanwhile the rich get richer and teams have 3-4 top of the rotation arms.
Xabial has made this the WORST thread of all time.
The fact you have to brag about this type of nonsense on a MLBTR comment board shows you have 0 friends, otherwise youd be out having a beer with them to celebrate such an extraordinary achievement. Instead you spent all day boasting and replying to haters, which means you aint a girl either so no friends, no girl = sad pathetic life.
all you have is a correct guess to fall back on, have fun with that.
Ass hat!!!!
I love that you chose not to directly respond to me, with that remark, choosing instead to drag my name into the mud, on the bottom
I’ve never seen a more personal attack intended at anyone in these mlbtr threads, and kindly ask mlbtr not to remove it because it speaks more of you— than it does of me.
Jealous much Mack? You have correctly pointed out just how much of an asshat you are.
The worst thread of all time? Wow that is a lot
Woohoo, off season over for the cubs now. Just in time
Everyone talking about how bad that contract is. At 21 Mil a year its a steal.
Were not Bost paying Price 217 Million. I’m still waiting for his play off wins BTW.
Hows ZG doing with his 34.5 Million he be paid at age 35, 36, 37, 38 LOL
Cant wait to see the reaction when Jake signs, how great the contract will be. lol.
Hmmm when hes at 6 years 150-175 watch the change of tune by haters. great signing, great contract lol. Typical.
If the brewers spent that Lorenzo Cain money on darvish (would have had to add 5 million per year of course) then they could have had a shot at darvish. Seeing as he got 21 million per year it makes the Lorenzo Cain signing look even worse than it already does
I’m guessing yu wanted nothing to do with Milwaukee ? Why I don’t know
If you update the story, please just give us the update at the top. I don’t want to read entire article again to see what changed.
Cubs trying to buy a championship
Spoken like the troll you are
At an AV of 21 mil for SP market , BORAS AINT HAPPY, which makes my day
Exactly!
Yu is not a Boras client.
Obviously. But he wanted Darvish to sign a bigger contract so he could ask for more for Arrieta.
I’m a Cards fan, and when I read this I went numb…. nice sign Cubbies… I hope we can pull a rabbit out of our hats now to keep up with you and the brew crew. I’m a true fan though and still have faith in my Cards
As a Cubs fan I’d never count the Cardinals out.
2nd best rotation on paper behind the Astros. Solid core between 23-28 years of age. All locked up through arbitration years and long term deals through 2021
Plenty of time for Theo and his team to rebuild the system and
Future looks very bright for the next 4-5 years
Doesn’t win 40 for the cubs = about 3 million/win
Cubs weren’t the 2nd best with Arrieta and they aren’t with Yu. Top 10 yes. Top 2, not close.
No one in LA will say it, but Darvish was not the sole reason LA tanked, although he helped quite a bit. Kershaw seems to be immune from criticism. The Cubs are simply swapping out Arrieta for Darvish, which seems almost a wash and ultimately the Cubs are right back where they began last year, no worse… no better.
David722, not really where back where they began last year.
Lester = Lester
Hendricks = Hendricks
Although Darvish is probably slightly better, let’s go with Darvish = Arrieta
Fair enough so far?
Cubs #4 beginning last year was Lackey. Quitana FAR SUPERIOR to Lackey
Cubs #5 beginning last year was Brett Anderson! Really, he was. Chatwood greater than Anderson.
The Cubs traded for Quintana just before the break. The Cubs were 5.5 games behind the Brewers at the break. The Cubs won the division by 6. They won the second half over the Brewers by more than 11 games.
A full year of Quintana and a full year of not having Anderson makes this rotation much, much better than last year. And that is with giving you a wash on Darvish/Arrieta.
You think more of Chatwood than do I. But yea Quintana better than Anderson.
Who knows how Chatwood will perform, but if he keeps even close to his Away stats from last year, he’ll be excellent and a far superior upgrade to Brett Anderson. Even if he’s worse than he was at Coors (which is highly unlikely), Brett Anderson had an 8.18 ERA with the Cubs, so Chatwood’s Coors ERA is still superior to Brett Anderson.
No worse no better huh? Well Chatwood replaces Lackey. They have Quintana for a full season and a better bullpen and rotation.
But ok whatever you say
Chatwood actually replaces Brett Anderson. Quintana replaces Lackey.
No Chatwood actually replaces Lackey. Darvish replaces Arrieta. You see Lackey and Arrieta are gone. Chatwood and Darvish are in. Quintana was already on the team. That is how it works
Haha Brett Anderson. The guy who made like 5 starts and was cut in midseason. Sorry he was replaced a long long time ago.
Replacing Anderson now? Too funny. Haha
Cubs rotation last year compared to this year. Last year Lester Hendricks Quintana Arrieta Lackey. That is the rotation that rotation is what kicked ass in the second half and was the rotation for post season and rotation that ended the season
That rotation lost Arrieta and Lackey. That is who is being replaced.
You are not replacing the rotation that started the season and stunk. Jesus people are so dumb
Ok one fan, now you’re being dumb. The conversation is about the opening day roster, which the Cubs had during their weak first half. Quintana replaced Anderson/Butler.
Agreed, he said where they started last year. This rotation for a full year is miles ahead
Wow I missed that. My fault
I wonder what the incentives are precisely I doubt it’s 25M if he wins 2 Cy youngster and 0 if not
that’s the big question…its only 6/126 if he gets hurt or isnt that great i assume.
The Gimenez-Darvish thing is a bit overplayed. He caught him 12 times. Gimenez was with the Rangers in 2014 and 2015 but Darvish missed the end of 2014 and all of 2015 with Tommy John.
I think it might have something to do with time they spent together after Darvish came back to rehab. Just something I remember reading.
The only bad thing about the cubs signing darvish is definitely his injury history. As a cardinals fan the cubs rotation is better than the cards. Wainwright is really injury prone, I think he needs to move to the bullpen, Mikolas was eh before he left for Japan, wacha has some red flags, Martinez is better than those three, our fifth starter hasn’t been determined. I think bringing back Lynn or signing Arrieta or Cobb is another route. And the last way is trading for either Chris archer, Jake odorizzi, Dan Straily, Patrick Corbin, or whoever else is a proven starter. Than maybe sign Holland to be your closer and we’re set for a wild card or slight chance at winning the central.
Hi Paul. I’m a Cubs fan. Not sure why (as I write this) you have three downvotes. I saw you as expressing what you feel the needs of your team are, and I agree that the Cards FO should step up. It’s a great storied team with a chance to compete, and they should sign Arietta or trade for Archer. Even bringing back Lynn would help.And Holland. Oh, and I think Arietta is better than what many think, and I would have been happy if he were a Cub again. All that said, as a Cubs fan, I would prefer the Cards do nothing, just stand pat. LOL
You make many decent points. However don’t count out the Cards. This will be a very difficult year for the Cubs. ECW.
Most people already know that yankeeaddiction is doing a “bit” similar to a comedian in an act. Obviously nobody would really believe such nonsense or they would be having 24 hour a day monitoring.
Great pickup by the Cubs. I will miss seeing Darvish in a Texas uniform, but they clearly weren’t trying to retain him. Enjoy watching that crazy curve Cubs fans!
He lasts 3 years tops,,,,,about 20-25 wins
Quit repeating yourself. It was stupid enough the last two times you wrote it.
And the St. Louis Cardinals just continue to sit there and do nothing as they continue to fall down the ranks of the NL. I saw MO say a few weeks ago that STL has a 90 win team. I laughed hysterically. As they sit they have no chance of making the playoffs. They will show up on the Wild Cards rankings with no chance of winning it. 3rd place in the NL Central at best. Congratulations Cubs fans on your front office continuing to improve your team.
How is Ozuna nothing? He was one of the biggest players to get moved this entire offseason.
Unfortunately he will get pitched around now that he doesn’t have the protection around him
This is conjecture
Of course. It’s my, and many others, opinion. I’m curious as to why you think it would be vastly different though
I agree. No need to pitch to him. Does he have the discipline to not swing at those pitches? I would have rather gone the direction of Bader or O’Neil in LF and picked up a corner INF. Hosmer would have helped a lot with a lot of those throws that Carpenter and Adams couldn’t handle. Waino is washed up. Gregorson is not a closer. Just way too many holes in this team still not filled to be excited about Ozuna.
Dejong, Fowler, Pham, Carpenter? These guys aren’t good to you?
They’re good, not great. None of those names strikes fear into anyone enough to be afraid of facing them.
I was just about to say that also. I did my own top 10’s like the shredder. I had Pham in the top 10 in CF, Ozuna #1 LF which is a weak position. Fowler and Carpenter no where close to top 10. Fowler is not a team first player. He is a last in and first out type of clubhouse guy. Carpenter has to bat lead off? That is a joke. If you are good, you are good at any spot in the line up. I am a Cardinals Fan. I don’t watch games with my heart though. I judge by what I see on the field.
Cardinals outfield is better than the Cubs Outfield…Pham isn’t someone that strikes fear in you…ok, keep thinking that…Fowler is a great hitter and better than Heyward for sure….and Ozuna is better than Schwaber…Keep thinking the Cardinals are going to be bad…fact is they have a great farm system and really are ready to strike at anytime…did they do it this year…no I don’t think so…but Baseball is becoming more and more like a chess match, especially with tanking teams like the Cubs…The Cardianls will be back on top soon enough so enjoy your time cubbies while you can
Ozuna is coming off a career year. He was picked up for a position that they already had depth and considered a strength. It address a need for a bat but can he do it again. Team needs going into off season. Bullpen, Corner INF, Starting rotation, infield DEFENSE.
Have fun in five cities, FU MLB
Aloha Folks- Have to say I was at a place where it did not matter if the team secured Arrieta or Darvish, I believe it to be a good team that went through some growing pains after winning the WS in 2016 (ie: Losing their veteran leader Ross and leadoff hitter in Fowler). I am glad Yu is coming and hope the coaches and staff will work with him vigorously to keep him off of the DL, as well as to go over 6innings consistently. I am a little concerned about the money as the team approaches next year, if they try to go after Harper as well as the young guys when they will start to be getting paid the bigger bucks. I am sure the FO is working on that right now. Hoping for the best. Darvish-san, Gunbatene! Omedetou Gozaimasu! Mahalo & Go Cubs!
Boras is a cancer on this game. Absolutely sick of this guy. This is the year he gets a rude wake-up. Welcome to the real world.
I think Boras is showing signs of panicking…his whole appeal, the reason he’s always attracted the top free agents, is that he gets players more money than they ever dreamed was possible. He could get teams to buy into the irrational dreams he sold. The star player may have to wait a little longer but they will eventually be rewarded with the insanely phenomenal contract he told them he’d get them, or maybe even more.
If Darvish tells us anything, it’s that the numbers he’s talked about will very likely not happen. Does anyone believe that Jake Arrieta will get more than Darvish? If he makes his clients wait through a part or all of spring training…or, who knows, even a part of the regular season, and then delivers money that doesn’t approach what he was asking for, what does that do for his ability to recruit…or keep…the highest paid players in the future? We may very well be seeing the end of the Scot Boras era.
I’m sick of people blaming an agent who does his job – getting the best deals he can for his clients. Nobody holds a gun to the heads of FO to sign players. I hope he continues to thrive because his clients need him.
Pixie how is he doing his job? He had Arrieta turn down the same 6/126 deal the Cubs offered Darvish. Now Arrieta is screwed so Boras screwed Jake. So I am blaming his agent for NOT doing his job
It’s not the first time. Kendrys Morales & Stephen Drew suffered similarly back in 2014.
Not sure we will ever see the end of Boras, but I do believe he’s panicking. Which will hopefully change his philosophy some of how he bullies teams and the market.
Teams have wised-up to his b.s. if I’m a GM, I’d rather sign an 18 year old cheap Cuban powerhouse than pay an exorbitant amount for one of his aging clients —essentially rewarding them for past performance in helping other teams win.
…….the old George Steinbrenner, Yankee, blank check days are gone. Boras will have to adjust.
Cubs also had offered Arrieta 4/110 in January which was the same offer made during the 2016 season when it was made as an extension offer.
And make it rain, make it rain, make it rain
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2. Chicago Cubs
The Cubs had a strong starting staff prior to the Yu Darvish signing. The addition of Darvish puts them on a new level and gives them a frontline ace. Last season Darvish posted his highest ERA to date (3.86), but something between his 3.42 career line and 3.12 ERA outside of Texas is more indicative of his potential. That may be even lower without a designated hitter, and we could see an uptick in strikeouts for the same reason.
Jon Lester had a down year in 2017 despite posting his best contact rate since 2009. His walk rate increased, but the rest of his underlying metrics remained similar to previous years, suggesting this was nothing more than a bad year. He did turn 34 last month so don’t expect vintage Lester, but expect better than 2017.
Jose Quintana also experienced some bad luck, posting an ERA over 4.00 for the first time in his career. An ERA over 5.00 in April and May unhinged his season. The ERA in the second half was 3.74 and was 3.29 from 2014 to 2016. Expect things to normalize in 2018, which includes losing some numbers on his career K/9. On most teams Quintana would be considered a number two starter.
Kyle Hendricks is constantly underrated. His ERA from 2016 to 2017 was virtually identical. We saw an increase in contact and walk rates, but there was also a decrease in fly balls and a spike in strikeouts. The one knock on Hendricks is he rarely pitches past the sixth inning. However, with a strong bullpen and offensive lineup, he doesn’t need to.
The final rotation spot belongs to Colorado import Tyler Chatwood. A three-year deal gives him the edge over Mike Montgomery, who has bullpen experience. While Chatwood’s career 4.31 ERA is far from impressive, that number falls to 3.31 outside of Coors Field.
Like Houston, the Cubs are prepared for an injury with extra pitching depth. That gives them an advantage over most teams in the league and will help them return to the playoffs.