Mariners general manager Jerry Dipoto told Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times and other reporters this week that the club’s largely content with the work it has done this winter to improve its roster. While the Mariners haven’t addressed their rotation in any noteworthy way, Dipoto’s confident their starters are at least on par with most AL rotations, “with the exception of last year’s playoff teams — the Cleveland Indians, New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox, Houston Astros.” Whether Felix Hernandez will be able to amass 25-plus starts, as opposed to the 16 he made last year, will go a long way toward deciding how Seattle will fare in 2018, Dipoto believes.
With a couple months left until the start of the season, the Mariners could still complement Hernandez & Co. with more starting help – payroll’s “not an issue,” according to CEO John Stanton. However, if we’re to take Dipoto’s word, it doesn’t seem likely. “We are doing the best we can to develop our system, not to clog it,” Dipoto said. “Could we go out and sign a free agent that would be better than our current fifth starter? Absolutely. Would that be the best thing for the present of the Mariners? Maybe. Would it be the best thing through the wider lens for the present and future of the Mariners? Probably not. We’ll be able to address those needs as we go. Because the one thing we’ve not had to deal with here is a lack of resources.”
More on a couple other West Coast clubs:
- In search of left-handed relief help, the Athletics “made some offers to some guys; we just weren’t able to get them here,” manager Bob Melvin informed Jane Lee of MLB.com and other reporters Saturday (Twitter link). One offer went to Brian Duensing, who turned down a deal worth $3MM more than the two-year, $7MM pact he took to re-up with the Cubs, Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle reports. The A’s also attempted to pick up outfielder Austin Jackson on a one-year deal, but the Giants reeled him in with a two-year, $6MM contract. Now, Oakland’s not discussing any “significant free agents,” Slusser writes.
- Andrew Baggarly of The Athletic has an excellent, free-to-read piece on new Giants hitting coach Alonzo Powell, who was diagnosed with prostate cancer Jan. 2 and will undergo prostate removal surgery on Tuesday. Powell’s support system includes his wife, Jana, as well as both the San Francisco and Houston organizations (he was the Astros’ assistant hitting coach from 2015-17), which Baggarly details. The Giants have been invaluable to Powell, as they took over his medical care after scans showed his cancer had spread to his bones. Had that been accurate, surgery would not have been an option for Powell, who would have instead had to go through a year of chemotherapy and radiation. But the Giants’ chief internist, Dr. Robert Murray, was skeptical of those results, and he had Powell undergo another bone scan that ultimately returned good news. After his surgery, Powell will need “daily radiation treatments for several weeks,” Baggarly writes, but the hope is he’ll be with the Giants when their pitchers and catchers report to spring training Feb. 13. We join those around the game in rooting for Powell to achieve that goal.
Tom E. Snyder
God bless.
kenphelps44
Dipoto is delusional.
jdgoat
I don’t know if it will happen, but their rotation does have the ability to be good. Barring health, Paxton will be a solid number 1 and was one of the best pitchers in the AL last year until he got hurt. Then if Felix can return back to form, they’d have a solid 1-2 punch at the front. Leake is a solid middle of the rotation pitcher and then it just all depends on how much Miranda/Ramírez/Gonzales progress.
They need a lot to go right, but it’s not impossible for them to have a good, or at the very least, solid rotation
bravesandcrewfan
If everything goes well within reason, the rotation will be as good as the Rays. That’s not good if they expect to contend.
jeremytk42
But my baseball people loved Ken Phelps’ bat. They kept saying “Ken Phelps! Ken Phelps!”
jeremytk42
@kenphelps44…..absolutely spot on…..
Bocephus
The Bay Area popularity leader over the last 8 or 9 years has definitely been the Giants but I wouldn’t be surprised if the A’s pass them this year in record and popularity.
jbigz12
That A’s team isn’t that great. You have some nice young guys but that team isn’t close to being good. Angels Astros and mariners are all better. Rangers should be too.
thegreatcerealfamine
Ohtani could be one of the biggest disappointments and the rest of the Angels pitching lol. Mariners are the Mariners=third place. Rangers..in the words of Johnny Mac-you can’t be serious.. yes the Astros will finish first but that’s why they play the games…
jdgoat
You could say the same about anyone really though. Dom Brown was the top prospect in baseball once, so they do fail every once in a while. Anybody on the top 100 lists could bust
BayAreaBall
I definitely would. Maybe the A’s will gather a larger following in the East Bay, but since Bonds signing the Giants have been the dominant team in the Bay. A still-rebuilding A’s team (although it is getting better) is not going to get as much attention, especially in that ballpark.
Even in 2013 when the A’s won the AL West and the giants only posted 75 wins the Giants had way higher attendance and more television viewers.
Dodgethis
The giants didn’t sign bonds, they traded for him. Why is bay in your name when you don’t comprehend the bay?
sacball
good god you actually think the Giants traded for Bonds?!
Groucho
Right. The whole “signing a free agent contract in the city where my father, Bobby, and my
Godfather, Willie, played…” sort of trade…I remember it differently too
casualatlfan
It’s not a good idea to criticize what someone says when you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about, Dodgethis, because they did indeed sign him.
vpolite
He was a free agent. You don’t trade for Free Agents.
BayAreaBall
The Giants signed Bonds for six years, 43.75 million in the 92-93 offseason. It’s okay to be wrong but please be respectful.
dmazcomp
Mandela Effect?
arc89
Also note that before Bond’s arrived the A’s were the larger draw and was the more popular team.
jekporkins
This is true. The A’s heyday of Canseco and McGwire ran the Bay Area from 87-92. They drew 3 million fans and the Colosseum was a decent place to watch a game. Then the Raiders destroyed that stadium with Mt. Davis and it became a terrible place to watch a ballgame.
whereslou
You trade money for him give the guy a break. He was kind of right in a lets be a jerk kind of way.
Dodgethis
The A’s will never be the most popular team in the bay area. It goes, giants, warriors, 49ers, raiders, sharks, A’s. Even if they made it to the world series nobody here is getting behind them. Everyone knows they aren’t fielding a competitor. They are pretending to have cash flow issues and banking the income. The A’s are that “other” team that happens to be in the bay area. Try not to kid yourself.
Dutch Vander Linde
Nobody is not gonna want to play for them unless they fix that stadium problem.
thegreatcerealfamine
Sorry more like the Warriors then the 49ers then the Raiders and then the Giants…
arc89
A’s need the new stadium before they will get more popular than the giants again. Let’s not forget the A’s were more popular(70s qnd 80s)than the giants until they got the new stadium and put together a good winning streak. One thing about the bay area they like winners.
AsNchill
This is definitely true. Even if we were to compete by 2019-2020, we’ll at best draw bandwagon fans that don’t really have an allegiance to the team beyond watching them win. Once they aren’t winning those fans go back to doing whatever they were doing before.
Getting a ballpark built is doubly important to retain the players we develop. The fan base is already dwindling as people who really became rabid fans during the 2012-2014 run start turning their back on the team.
andrewgauldin
Yeah but that’s how Bay Area fans are. It’s the reality of it. The Bay Area is full of bandwagon fans. Where were the warriors fans before Curry? Where were the giants fans before 2010? Arguing about Bonds and steroids. Where were Raiders fan before last year? May I ask where the 49ers fans are?
I’m from the Bay Area. I’m not entirely sure how other areas are, but the Bay Area seems like the capitol if Bandwagon sports fans.
vpolite
You are not from the Bay Area. The Warriors consistencies sold before Curry ever arrived.
Dodgethis
The warriors have always been popular in the bay area, the bandwagon fans are all the national and international fans. It’s the same with the sharks. Crazy amount of fans yet they can’t win. 49ers have been uber popular since the late 80s, but most of us are ashamed of kaepernick and the kneeling garbage. 49ers flags and bumper stickers are still everywhere. Raiders fans with silver or black trucks tend to advertise but otherwise you don’t see it. Nobody advertises being an A’s fan. And yeah, the A’s haven’t been a real team since they got caught steroiding up players then shipping them out. See canseco, McGuire, etc.
Groucho
The A’s have cycles when their Moneyball way of operating works out, and then they trade everyone away for the next Moneyball team before they have to pay anyone any real long term money. When they make the playoffs, the Colosseum is packed. The rest of the time, fans can sit wherever they want.
nste23
A’s don’t look that bad
AsNchill
Good offense, solid defense but that rotation will determine our season.
justin-turner overdrive
WRONG! It goes: 49ers, A’s, Raiders/Giants, Sharks.
Oh wait, that’s titles won. A’s still have bought the Bay Area more glory than the Giants ever have.
justin-turner overdrive
1989 happened, you loser.
The A’s were a top 3 team in AL attendance from 1989-1991. They were 6th in 2003. Stop erasing history.
JoeyPankake
And now the only time the colosseum is even remotely full is when they play the Giants in interleague.
arc89
Giants? You mean fireworks. A’s sell out faster on fireworks night than any other game.
vpolite
That’s the only time they sell out.
andrewgauldin
Have you been to the coliseum? It’s empty most of the time, but it will occasionally sell out. Any kind of promotional night, the coliseum is full
Thugs R Us
Watch the early 2000s playoff games the A’s had at home. They filled the 56k seat Coliseum. Kaval and the orgzn is building up the excitement for the young team.
“They are pretending to have cash flow issues and banking the income.” That’s quite a statement to make without providing any evidence.
AsNchill
A lot of people seem to believe this, and I don’t know why. As for, “they are pretending to have cash flow issues,” that is actually completely true. The A’s operated at a deficit last season, and will likely operate at a slight deficit this season as well.
It’s hard to get casual fans interested in a bunch of young kids that no one else is hyping.
jonnyblah
Well, three WS in the same decade makes the money and wins the fans. And The days of Bonds. Would really like to see the A’s do well, though. For the more local Bay Area fan, it makes for a fun season when both teams are having some success.
jonnyblah
I also fail to see the virtue of ranking Bay Area sports teams by subjectively perceived popularity on mlbtr. Or maybe I’m just old.
Dodgethis
It’s not subjective. It’s based off attendance and local merchandise sales. I don’t make shit up, Google is your friend. Only the last 10 years are relevant, everything else is ancient history in the sports world.
Varangian
You lie. You made up Bonds being traded to the Giants. You made up the A’s not being relevant since the 90’s. And you conveniently forget that the Giants had the biggest steroid user of all time. Or else you’re just an idiot.
albearrrr
All talk. Dipoto was the most gung Ho of all GMs to land Otani. Now all of a sudden, he doesn’t need anything more than a 5th?
jdgoat
I don’t think the two are connected. Ohtani was a unique opportunity to potentially add an ace for nothing. Every team in the league was interested in him
Stevil
That’s not what he’s suggesting, and if you take a hard look at payroll figures from last season, it should be easy to understand roughly where the bar lies.
He’s suggesting there’s room for a back-end starter, and there should be. But what the Mariners really need is a front-line starter, which they likely don’t have the money for right now.
If all you can afford is a number 5 veteran free agent with little or no upside, why not take a hard look at Gonzales and see if he’s far enough past his surgery that he can start being productive?
24TheKid
Stanton said that pay roll is not an issue.
Stevil
There’s still a budget. Payroll for a contending, or hopefully contending, team always goes up over the course of the season due to prorated salaries, promotions, acquisitions, incentives, etc. There’s a huge difference between having money for a number 5 starter and a Darvish/Arrieta/Lynn/Cobb. It’s not just the rotation you have to have flexibility to address, it’s all the positions on the field.
Worth noting, payroll for Seattle right now sits at just below 160 million, which will be a record for opening day. They finished the 2017 season at 174.
terry g
Trader Jerry has faith in his system. I’d like to but the minor league is pretty bare beyond back end starters and bull pen pitchers. He has(as predicted by some fans) pretty much stripped his minor league clubs to get what he has. Hoping that Hernandez returns to form possibly isn’t likely. He hasn’t pitched 160 inning in either of the last 2 years and Paxton as good as he can be never has pitched 160. That’s the top 2/5 of your starting staff. He should think of adding someone at the top not the bottom. Jerry doesn’t like to add via FA’s and has nothing left to trade.
jbigz12
Did he completely strip the minor league club though? Honestly there wasn’t much there. He traded Gohara and O’Neill but who knows if they’ll even turn into something. I like gohara but I don’t see O’Neill being much of he doesn’t have some plate discipline. I don’t think there was a lot in that system from the start.
Stevil
Most of Terry’s comment was fair and on the nose, but I agree there wasn’t a lot to inherit, and it’s worth noting that the team sits with a lot of control over the overwhelming majority of the active roster. With significant dough coming off the books over the next two years (one being Felix’s contract), they should be pretty well poised to spend moving forward,
I completely agree with Terry’s point about needing a front-line starter as well. Just not a great selection to choose from right now. Cobb and Lynn would cost picks in addition to a notable commitment, and Darvish will likely command too much dough and 5 years.
matthew102402
I might be the only fan that thinks the rotation is decent enough for Seattle. I won’t lie, I would like to see them go after an arm like Jaime Garcia for some stability, but, our rotation is decent enough. The question is health. I mean, when healthy, Paxton is great, and can lead the staff. If he is healthy, Felix is a serviceable starter. I’d say something somewhere between his 2015, and 2016. Probably an ERA around 3.60, walk rate around 2.5, strikeout around 8.0. Leake probably the same. And Erasmo was quietly good for the Mariners after the trade.
jbigz12
Felix at a 3.6 era would be great. Lot of question marks whether he can still do that for a full season. He has a lot of miles on his arm. Leake is a solid starter and I like Erasmo as well. Definitely need a 5th starter. Don’t know what he was thinking with Marco Gonzales because he’s not going to cut it. Maybe Phelps transitions back into the rotation if they’re not looking to sign anyone else.
Stevil
Garcia’s a LHP who doesn’t miss a lot of bats. I don’t know if he’s a great option in a division dominated by RHH’s. I’d rather give Gonzales a shot and reassess at the end of May.
NWsportsfan
I would like to see Dipoto swap one or two of our back end starters (maybe Ramirez, Miranda and/or Gonzalez) for Domingo Santana. Brewers need rotation depth badly without increasing payroll and M’s could use an every day left fielder (I assume him or Haniger could transition to left easily). If payroll isn’t really an issue (as stated by Stanton) M’s could make this move while also upgrading the rotation by signing Cobb, Lynn or Garcia for the 3-5 spot.
Stevil
Seattle arguably has a better right fielder in Mitch Haniger. The jury’s still out on Gamel and Heredia, but trading starting pitching for another outfielder doesn’t seem likely right now.
If Gamel struggles, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a lesser-known LHH outfielder brought in. Brett Phillips might be feasible for relief pitching.
muskie73
Most of us who have followed baseball for years are entrenched in conventional wisdom.
Conventional wisdom dictated that the Seattle Mariners address their woeful starting pitching this offseason. This Seattle fan was disappointed that the M’s failed to bring in starters to remedy this weakness.
Instead, Seattle GM Jerry Dipoto reportedly plans to implement a “wolf pack” approach whereby pitchers will go through an opponent’s lineup only one or two times. Every pitcher should be prepared to go multiple innings instead of the single-inning (or single-batter) reliever who has flourished in recent decades..
Everyone celebrates successful innovation but the fact remains that innovation in society generally has a success rate of far less than 50 percent. For every innovative success we have two or three or four innovative failures. We’ll await the results of the innovative “wolf pack” approach.
The Mariners may well exceed my lowered expectations … or not.
matthew102402
To be honest, it’s how baseball works now. Starters aren’t going 7. They might go 6, but not even a full 6 at that. And the bottom 2 of the rotation, Erasmo and Marco, aren’t going more than 6. We’ll see if they can even get to 6. This is why they acquired David Phelps, and signed Juan Nicasio. Relievers who can go multiple innings. The mariners bullpen is pretty good, IMO.
conniemacksghost
I do wish the A’s had more of a chance in bringing in an appealing young Free Agent, I was kinda thinking if they Added Moose for like a deal like The Mets with an Opt out after 1 year. But him and Davis would mash, Chapman Would either move over to first and have Olson play some Corner outfield
AsNchill
No way the A’s entertain replacing Chapman with an inferior defender. If anything the A’s would sign Moustakes and have him play first, then again there’s no way the A’s entertain replacing Olson with an inferior defender or moving him to a position he has no feel for.
The only position I can see Chapman moving to is short, and that’s if someone shows up who has average defense at third and a bat that can’t be missed.
justin-turner overdrive
If the A’s got Moustakas, he’d be playing LF.
Varangian
Or Left Out.
Wytelitning
I know nothing about the Mariners farm system, but I do know that Jerry isn’t finished making moves until that farm is completely empty.
cubsfan2489
Oh what’s that everyone? @TheWestCoastRyan says that if you OFFER MORE than every team, ANY TEAM CAN HAVE ANY PLAYER! Good to know his theory is finally debunked, “One offer went to Brian Duensing, who turned down a deal worth $3MM more than the two-year, $7MM pact he took to re-up with the Cub”. What’s that Ry Ry? A player took LESS than he could have?!? The team who offered him the MOST didn’t get him?!? Let’s see how you explain yourself out of this one. So many times I’ve seen you type, “if they want him they can just offer the most and sign him. It’s that simple.”
WHAT?
(Your response)
WHAT?
(Your response)
WHAT?
You are wrong. You have just been proven wrong. Stop telling EVERYONE that they are wrong about every OPINION that they have. Because you were so sure of yourself about this one thing, and now you’ve been proven wrong.
AsNchill
You’re actually not wrong. Guys that would be considered “in our price range” would actually require more money to sign because of our sub par facilities. It doesn’t help we’re nowhere near being an obvious competitor, and play in a really hard division.
This year is going to be really important for us, both on the field and off the field.
justin-turner overdrive
It’s just flabbergasting that they’re committing to Maxwell, who didn’t prove himself on the field last year to deserve that treatment. A Lucroy might turn them into contenders if a lot of things bounce right (and many prospects look like they might do that).
Even if you believe in Murphy, his floor is still “Phegley with better defense” which is still not an everyday C. Realmuto costs too much in prospects, but the A’s should overpay for Lucroy, for sure – they could contend asap with him.
AsNchill
I’d commit to 2 years for Lucroy. I do agree that we need a veteran catcher that can tie that young pitching staff together, help Maxwell on defense and hold us over until Murphy. Murphy is ready now, but his bat needs work so rushing him isn’t wise. Spending a full year in Triple A and getting that bat right would definitely be in our best interests.
I don’t think Maxwell was that bad defensively, but he definitely underperformed on offense. The A’s are probably hoping he can develop into an average defensive catcher with average to above average offensive potential, but we’ll see about that. Murphy is definitely the future, despite his low offensive floor.
vpolite
Lucroy would turn the A’s into instant contenders? That ain’t going to happen.
AsNchill
When you consider that our biggest question mark going into 2018 is our rotation, a veteran catcher can go a long way. I don’t consider Phegley to be a good game caller, and Maxwell still has a lot to learn about the art of game calling. Lucroy could help our young starting pitchers over the hump.
justin-turner overdrive
They’re closer than you think.
AsNchill
We were top 5 in offense in September, and that was with Olson, Pinder and Powell missing the last week of the season with injury. Losing Healy hurt, but adding Piscotty cancels the loss out. Fowler could either be ready to go by the start of the season or we start the season with Powell in center, and while Powell isn’t anyone’s first choice at center, and projects as a 4th outfielder, he was a spark plug for us in September.
I will say this forever, but if our rotation stays healthy, we have a shot at .500 or the second wild card. It isn’t completely without talent, but needs that guidance when it comes to pitch sequencing while in the game.
andrewgauldin
How the hell do you calculate ones value in game calling? You sit there and watch every pitch? Do you blame it on the pitcher or catcher when something goes right or wrong? Do we look at track records? If we look at track records how do we determine if a younger catcher with not a long track record is any good?
From what I watched, Phegley is one of the best blockers in the game, that gives the A’s pitching staff trust in him to throw any pitch in any situation. Other than that, can someone please explain to me what statistic or what piece of evidence signifies that Phegley or any catcher is not a good “game caller.”
jbigz12
Is this a joke? The A’s are not contenders. The A’s are moving in the right direction but that team isn’t good enough to win a wild card and certainly not the division.. I can see them finishing fourth in the West at best this year. Need a catcher need, another outfielder, and a couple starting pitchers. They’re not there yet.
AsNchill
The A’s could go after another catcher, but they aren’t going to go after another outfielder or starting pitcher just because. They’ll bank on Graveman and Manaea having better seasons and waiting for Puk, Kaprielian and Luzardo.
justin-turner overdrive
I stated the A’s were a Lucroy away from contending. I stand by that. If you can’t see it, then you aren’t looking at the same team everyone else is.
jbigz12
Really? You think they’ll be postseason contenders with a rotation of Sean Manaea,Andrew Triggs and Kendall Graveman? You can say whatever you like but it doesn’t mean it’s based in any facts. That’s a bad rotation and the team just finished in the basement. They aren’t a lucroy away. Might want to wait to see some of their pitchers come up from the minors before you start saying that.
justin-turner overdrive
Those 3 pitchers you named are actually pretty good, might want to have some semblance of a clue of what youre talking about before spouting off to someone who follows the team.
This A’s team revolves around offense, the pitchers don’t have to be elite, but Manaea, Graveman, Blackburn, Triggs are all not-bad-at-all types. Mengden was flat-out dominant in his stint last year.
AsNchill
Manaea and Graveman were both better than their numbers indicate. Manaea spent the first two months of the season trying to be too fine after his velocity dipped, then followed that up with 2 months where we saw a better version of 2016 Sean Manaea. Graveman had a pretty big spike in FB velocity, then spent 2 months on the DL. He came back sporting an effective 4 pitch mix and was even better than he had been prior to the shoulder issue.
Triggs is just hard to pick up, and has weird reverse splits. Does well against lefties and alright against righties. Again, not the rotation everyone would like, but if they stay mostly healthy they have a chance to be effective. All of them can pitch to contact and induce plenty of ground balls and soft contact, and all of them have swing and miss stuff when healthy.
jbigz12
What the hell does not bad at all types mean? Those 3 headlining a rotation isn’t good. I intentionally named your 3 best pitchers instead of saying jharrel cotton and jessie hahn, You’re coming off of a last place finish and you’re claiming adding Lucroy would put you into the postseason. That’s not a statement you can just throw around without any push back. I’m a fan of Sean Manaea but you’re asking him to anchor that rotation at this point and that’s a tall task for him at this point in his career. You just dealt away Sonny Gray for a reason, you’re not competing until you see the guys you got back up in the big leagues.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Look dumb ass I never said that players always sign with whoever offers the most money. My point was that if the player waits out free agency, the team that he wants to sign with will offer him more money than they would in an extension because they have the added pressure of 29 other teams bidding on him. This is why Chapman and Cespedes waited out free agency despite wanting to stay with the Yankees and Mets.
Oh and the other part of what I am saying is that if the player is averse to signing with a given team, like Duensing evidently was with the A’s, that would still have been the case if they had traded for him in advance of his free agency.
justin-turner overdrive
I don’t know why the A’s don’t have a standing 2/$50M offer out to the best half dozen or so free agents left out there, there’s better players than Encarnacion out there right now, makes no sense they’d make that offer to Encarnacion but not to Darvish, Martinez or Lucroy. I’m pretty sure Lance Lynn would take a 1/20 deal from Oakland. It’s strange to me that Beane would chose to pull that short length/big money-move in the form of a 2/50 for Encarnacion, but not like, 1/20 to Lynn.
AsNchill
I wouldn’t be upset if we went after Darvish, but I don’t think he wants to play for a rebuilding team. Martinez won’t go for a 2/$50 contract and I don’t think Lucroy is worth that much. Personally I hope we aren’t even looking in Lance Lynn’s direction. Spending that much on a guy that had a lucky season and losing a draft pick in the process isn’t appealing. He’s one of those high risk low reward kind of deals.
I’d be perfectly fine if we didn’t sign anyone else this offseason and waited for our other prospects. Puk is looking exciting, even despite the low IP total in his first full pro year, Luzardo and Kaprielian are both polished and just need time to get healthy and recover from TJS. We’re pretty alright position players wise.
justin-turner overdrive
You see where I’m coming from though, right? Why did they make that 2/50 thing a 1-time call? They have even more money free now than they did then.
Their C depth is pathetic. Definitely need to improve there.
AsNchill
We sort of have more money now than we did then. The A’s operated at a deficit last season, so we really only gained the $50M from BamTech and their plan to sign the core long term is going to be expensive. Gotta make sure you have the money and not commit it to other things, no matter how important.
Catching depth is something that can be fixed over the short term, either by going after Lucroy or possibly trading for Grandal.
justin-turner overdrive
Oh I love Grandal as a fit in Oakland. Perfect bridge to maybe/hopefully Murphy in 2019.
AsNchill
Not sure what we have to give up for him. He has one year left, but he’s not going to be cheap.
justin-turner overdrive
Not if Oakland is taking on all that money.
vpolite
Lucroy is worth about a 1-2 million a year. He doesn’t catch that much anymore.
justin-turner overdrive
That’s totally untrue
vpolite
Look at his stats from last year. And then try to tell me he is worth $25 million a year.
AsNchill
We’re definitely not paying him $25M a year. I’d say we overpay by 150% of what he’s worth (so if he’s worth say $3M we pay him maybe $5M or $6M per year) for 2 years to give Sean Murphy more time to figure his bat out in Triple A. Lucroy’s stats from the second half were mostly in Colorado where pitches go to die, and Oakland is where bats come to die.
vpolite
He made $4 million in 2016. He was the worst defensive catcher in 2017. He needs to rebuild his value.
AsNchill
Sounds like we’re a good bet for him.
justin-turner overdrive
You said he’s worth 1-2 mill a year. I said it might take 25M to get him, which is an overpay, and yeah he’d accept less, but still, to get a position player to sign with Oakland takes money.
vpolite
He’s looking at minor league contract with a spring training invite right now.
justin-turner overdrive
quit trolling
vpolite
Say something intelligent and I won’t troll. What is wrong with my evaluation of Jonathon Lucroy? He could rebuild his value. But, his is not a starting catcher in 2018.
julyn82001
A’s to the playoff in 2018… Felix will again be the anchor to the Marines… Astros will have a lot competition…
bigdaddyhacks
You can’t get that mad at Jerry, he didn’t get to see what that rotation could do as we where the AL Mets and the whole damn staff got hurt. If the top 5 plays to their numbers the Ms will be fine. He’s playing for 85-89 wins. As an avid mlb the show GM, I can’t fathom why he won’t sign a 3-5 guy. Maybe the money is to much and he wants to wait and see and then go get someone in season? I’d give Jake Arrieta 3/45 and have Paxton/Arrieta/Felix/leak/Gonzales(Fight for 5th spot).
24TheKid
Arrieta won’t sign anywhere close 3/45. But if he did, Jerry better sign him for that.
chesteraarthur
You should probably stick to the show.
bigdaddyhacks
I stay there often. It’s been then real life as a Seattle Mariners fan.
jbigz12
He’ll sign Arrieta 3/45 then he’ll add Cobb for 1/2mil and then after that I hear he has the inside track on Hosmer for 2/10mil.
Connorsoxfan
“Our rotation is as good as the rest of the league. Just not if we want to make the playoffs.” ~ Jerry Dipoto