Here are some hot stove-related items from The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal (subscription required and recommended)…
- The Nationals have interest in free agent righty Lance Lynn, though a signing would further put the team over the luxury tax threshold. Washington has been circling the starting pitching market all winter, with Jake Arrieta standing out as the top-tier name most often mentioned as a possibility due to the well-documented relationship between Nats ownership and Scott Boras (Arrieta’s agent). Arrieta, however, would be a considerably pricier signing than Lynn, though Lynn wouldn’t be cheap himself; MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes projects Lynn for four years and $60MM.
- Alex Cobb isn’t looking for a $20MM average annual value in his next contract, according to “officials on both sides of the Cubs’ negotiations with” the free agent right-hander. Reports that this inflated asking price spurred the Cubs’ interest in Yu Darvish as an alternative to Cobb are also not accurate, as per these same officials.
- The Orioles recently met with Andrew Cashner and his representatives. Baltimore’s interest in Cashner dates back to at least the start of the offseason, and the O’s are still in sore need of arms to bolster their weak rotation. There hasn’t been a ton of buzz about Cashner on the rumor mill, though he is still reportedly looking for a three-year deal and there seems to be at least some interest between Cashner and the Rangers.
- The Athletics also had interest in Joakim Soria before the Royals dealt him to the White Sox earlier this week. Soria would’ve given the A’s extra closing depth behind Blake Treinen, and Oakland could also have potentially looked to move Soria at the trade deadline. The A’s have already made two notable additions (Yusmeiro Petit and Emilio Pagan) to their bullpen mix this winter, and it stands to reason that they could still be looking for more veteran relief help after missing out on Soria.
- Teams continue to ask the Marlins about Justin Bour, though the club wasn’t listening to offers about the first baseman during the Winter Meetings. Bour is one of Miami’s more intriguing long-term assets, just entering his arbitration years and coming off a season that saw him his .289/.366/.536 with 25 homers in 429 plate appearances. Bour’s age (he turns 3o in May) and the amount of depth at the first base position makes Bour a less-valuable trade chip for Miami than Christian Yelich or J.T. Realmuto, though obviously the Fish would still garner a lot of interest in Bour if they made him available.
- Red Sox president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski said the Sox “are not looking to move” Blake Swihart, despite trade interest from other teams. The last two seasons were essentially a writeoff for Swihart, due to defensive issues behind the plate and ankle injuries that limited him to just 91 minor league games and 25 MLB games in 2016-17. Still, the Sox haven’t given up on the former top prospect, with Dombrowski noting that Swihart’s positional versatility has helped add to his value for the team. While Dombrowski noted that “you could never say you would not move him or anyone else,” Swihart is “still part of our plans….Sometimes you get stuck with players who are out of options. In this case, because of his flexibility, I think we’ve got a little better chance of getting through it.”
joshua.barron1
Swihart probably DFA’ed at the end of camp. I just don’t see it
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Swihart can hit a little, and you can throw him out there anywhere almost. He’s a mlb player.
littlerivers 2
I think it’ll depend on if they sign JDM. They already have a outfield and infield depth with Holt, Brentz, and Hernandez. Not to mention two catchers. Swihart would have to have one hell of a spring training to make the roster.
natesp4
I think Holt is more likely to be DFA’d than Swihart.
butch779988
Holt should immediately be DFA’d. Every one of his 5 tools is negative WAR.
slapnuts
Swihart is more of an mlber than Brentz is
InPolesWeTrust
And Holt at this point.
DVail1979
There are late blooming former top prospects all the time … I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if Swihart becomes one of the next late blooming guys to carve out a very solid MLB career (Lorenzo Cain was a late bloomer and he’s about to be paid)
Speak da Truth
Why because Swihart got his chance at the job because the need at the catcher position and Brentz haven’t?
I bet Brentz does 10x better than Swihart this year when he finally gets his chance.
31 HR’s in AAA last year is no fluke, Brentz has power if only they give em the chance to showcase it.
I think this will be his break out season. You wait and see.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Brentz is Not a mlb player. Nor ever will be. Never. Ever.
Brentz has one career major league home run. One.
slapnuts
You don’t follow the Sox prospects do you?
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Slapnuts, Ive been a Sox fan since 1978. Driving to Fort Myers now for Red Sox spring training in a month and a half. I follow the Red Sox a little bit…. even the prospects.
koolga
I hope so. I’ve been a big supporter of his for years. If he can put it together on the MLB side, with his power, he has a chance to keep a spot.
redsfan48
He also has less than 100 career major league plate appearances, which is an extremely small sample. He had 38 HRs last year in the minors.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Brentz had 31 home runs last year in the minors.
He had 7 more home runs in developmental winter league in Mexico.
Brentz is not a major league talent. He’s had seven years to catch up to minor league pitching, and he’s finally done it. Congratulations.
Now Dave Dombrowski can build him up and trade him and sell high based on …..nothing.
Nobody’s fooled here. He won’t even be a throw-in as part of a trade. He’s too old for potential.
We’re done here. No more talk about Bryce Brentz please.
T-Dawg
Holt sucks!
jeralves79
100% correct.
slapnuts
Was talking to deesnuts, Gary, not you!
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Cool, Slapnuts….. but you gave me a chance to vent LOL
slapnuts
Ha ha!
redsoxu571
Swihart needed two (terrible) weeks when he was rushed up in an emergency to adjust to MLB pitching. He hit at the level of a high-end starting catcher the rest of the season, but some of that was disguised by how bad those first two weeks were. His defense was also fine.
But DD and the rest of the front office was enamored by Vazquez’s defense, so even though Swihart had earned the job the team was looking for an excuse to get Vazquez in there, so they exaggerated his defensive shortcomings. Then LF was a disaster for the team, so it tried to make use of Swihart in 2016 by trying him out there…and he was injured in the field, costing him the season. Mulligan, and not in any way Swihart’s fault.
The hope was that Swihart could reestablish himself in 2017, but we found out later in the year that he was still struggling with his 2016 injury, so that and some amount of rust made it a tough season. Again, it wasn’t a reflection on Swihart’s talent or future, but rather all an extended result of one HUGE mistake.
That doesn’t mean Swihart will eventually make good – he might be somewhat permanently broken, for all we know – but we have yet to see him fail on fair terms. I’m pretty sure Boston sees it that way too.
bosoxforlife
Red Soxu571, I agree with you 100%. Swihart has never had a chance to show what he might be able to do. He may have left his game on the dangerous side wall in foul territory in LF in Fenway, but he was too good a prospect to simply give away.
z3rogs
Great summary
camdenyards46
I would do 3/21 to 3/24 on Cashner if he wants three years. I don’t see him getting a huge contract.
MattyWil
Chatwood got 3/38, Cashner definitely gets at least 30
redsfan48
The difference is that Chatwood had very good advanced metrics (FIP, etc.) over the past few seasons, and also a fantastic road ERA. Meanwhile, Cashner’s advanced metrics showed that he wasn’t actually that good last year. He shouldn’t get as big of a contract as Chatwood.
redsfan48
Also, Cashner is 3 years older than Chatwood.
DVail1979
With the added pressure of a pitching needy team like the Orioles relying on him in that hitter’s paradise … how many people actually believe Cashner would be even an okay fit in Baltimore … let alone good … I sure don’t
mehs
Texas vs Baltimore has no meaningful difference statistically as far as parks go for pitchers.
aggee10
The only defensive issue swihart had was catching for Steven wright who is a KNUCKLEBALL pitcher. I don’t why ppl keep trying to bring up that he’s a bad defensive catcher. Just don’t have him catch for wright. Even varitek wasn’t good at catching for wakefield. There’s a reason why most knuckleball pitchers have their own personal catcher.
jdgoat
The Red Sox obviously disagree since they were keen to try him out in other positions.
badco44
The truth on that issue was a shortage in left field if you remember … he played and got hurt there trying to help the club… he is a pure hitter, but there are roster numbers to pay attention to… only so many holes
argenys h.
That’s insane. If you allegedly have a good defensive catcher with a plus bat you don’t move him to another position no matter what. The value at that position is too big. Not nearly as hard to cover a corner outfield spot.
Sheldon Bowen
Yeah like mauer, Posey (transitioning) and Carlos Santana? If you can really hit then they won’t want you to catch unless you fight it horribly like Piazza or just like a generational talent like pudge where you’re amazing at catcher.
jdgoat
Mauer was moved because of injuries, Santana baceause his legs couldn’t handle it, and posey is because he had concussion problems and they’ll want him to play for a long time. You don’t transition your young catcher like the Red Sox are doing if you believe he’s going to be a good catcher in the long run
hediouspb
teams keep talent. they will probably need more than 2 catchers this year. with the greater push for players with flexibility i can see teams starting to roster 3 catchers as long as one or two of them can play somewhere else. catchers take such a beating and with the shorter dl option they can afford to give them the days if they have 3 on the roster.
redsoxu571
Do some research. Boston was fine with Swihart’s defense but was IN LOVE with Vazquez’s defense, so they made an excuse in order to send Swihart down to make room for Vazquez. But their left field position at the time was a tire fire, so the hope was that the athletic Swihart could learn LF on the fly and so allow for a TEMPORARY fill-in at the position. In other words, the team moved him there to try to make the most of its pieces, not because Swihart couldn’t handle catching.
hediouspb
nope. none of the pitchers were comfortable throwing to him. players ran on him. being a good defensive catcher includes building the pitchers confidence and gaining their trust. if you can’t do that you will fail. swihart wan’t ready so perhaps he figured out what was missing and can show it… if not he’s off to somewhere else., especially since the projected number 5 start this season is the very same knuckleballer…
Speak da Truth
What Swihart was you watching? He couldn’t catch Wright and had a bunch of pass balls by the other pitchers he caught also.Didnt know how to block pitches in the dirt from any pitcher.
The biggest mistake the RedSox made was not trading Swihart away when his value was at it highest.
And just think we could have gotten Cole Hammels for him, and Sox dropped the ball because they over valued him…Smh
I’ve always thought Vasquez was our best option at catcher. He’s the definition of what you would want in a catcher, pitch framing,Great arm,Good game caller and can hit, What more can you ask for?
Bruin1012
How many times does it have to be said yes Philadelphia wanted Swihart in the deal for Cole Hammels but the headliner they wanted was Mookie. I’m real glad they didn’t make that trade.
Pax vobiscum
According to DD Doug Mirabelli is still in the Red Sox plans.
Nick4747
I could see swihart making the team I don’t see why Leon has a guaranteed spot after his offensive struggles over his entire career.
butch779988
Especially the amount he likely would play this year with Vazquez set up for a heavier load.
brownbomber
Lynn is very underrated. He’s a bulldog that consistently gives quality starts. Way better bargain than Arrieta
wrigleywannabe
his peripheral number are trending in the wrong way, like Jake’s
brownbomber
Difference is that Arrieta is wanting twice as much money as Lynn and their numbers were pretty similar last year.
outinleftfield
Lynn is one year removed from returning from TJ surgery. He came back and pitched a full season of 1.4 WAR ball. That is the most important thing.
His ERA dropped in the 2nd half as did his HR/9. While most pitchers were seeing a drop in innings per start, Lynn stayed consistent at 5.6 IP per start. The guy is a bulldog who is trending back towards being the pitcher he was before the injury.
Really hoping the O’s step up and sign him instead of retreads like Cashner and Garcia.
dfinmozarks
I don’t understand the projection in this article that Lynn will sign for 4 years 60MM. He rejected an offer from the Cards for 17.4MM/year Have the teams all hardened up on what they are willing to spend (which I could understand) or is there something I missed?
brownbomber
He rejected that because it was only a one year deal
Ry.the.Stunner
Players are willing to take less AAV for more long-term stability. The only time a player typically rejects a qualifying offer is if they had a bad season and want to rebuild their value for next year’s free agency.
Tyler 20
because 60 mil is more than 17.4 mil
justin-turner overdrive
Lynn was great, til he got hurt. He was really meh in 2017. If he can get back to being a 3-4 WAR player then he’s worth a bit, but I think he’s best off going to Oakland for a 1-year deal, playing in a pitchers park and in a new league will sneak his numbers back the right way, plus he’ll probably get traded to a contender at the deadline, increasing his value if he does well in the playoffs.
outinleftfield
33 starts. 3.43 ERA in his first season back from TJ surgery.
Frank kemble
I can see the Orioles signing Cashner. Cheaper option than other sought-after arms, who was worth 4.6 last season. I can also see them in on Jaime Garcia, as well as bringing back Hellickson on a lower rate than last season.
outinleftfield
Unfortunately, I can see the same thing. It’s really unfortunate. I do hope you are wrong about Hellickson. He was incredibly bad last season.
What was Cashner worth 4.6 based on? He made $10 million and had a 1.9 WAR.
Mjm117
Bour looks like a better bet to be traded by the deadline, unless someone offers the Fish a great deal. Bour is very underrated. Hits for avg, gets on base and massive power while also providing avg or above defense at 1B. Not to mention a great leader and clubhouse presence.
marlins17
Should get a decent haul for Bour. Couple of higher rated prospects.
justin-turner overdrive
Surprised Boston hasn’t made an offer for him yet tbh, mixing him in with Hanley and Moreland in the 1B-DH role would be beneficial for sure.
tbonenats
I don’t think Bour will net a ton, he will get a few of an orgs top 6-12 prospects but most likely no top 100 guys overall or any top 3 org prospects. Love Bour, helped my fantasy team but 1st base market is weak.
halos101
How are the marlins not dying to sell high on bour. He’s 30 and they aren’t contending anytime soon
Yankeepatriot
I was gonna say the same thing
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
Yep
justin-turner overdrive
Jeter and crew don’t know what they’re doing.
tbonenats
Doubt he brings much in return…..may be better to hold him depending on offers.
Realtexan
This is why the Rangers shoulda went on and re-signed Cash before the end of last season. Just hope it’s not to late for the Rangers to re-sign him. To me he is worth a three to four year deal at 30 to 40 million plus incentives.
justin-turner overdrive
Cashner has never had more than 2.6 fWAR in a season and has been pretty awful the last two years, if you don’t look at ERA. He’s worth about 2/20 deal, his ceiling is too low and he’s never been fully healthy in a whole season.
Cardinals17
Have the Cardinals not even approached Lynn on a return yet?
justin-turner overdrive
Martinez-Wainwright-Wacha-Weaver-Mikolas with Flaherty right there, why would they be interested in Lance Lynn? Where would he fit in that rotation?
justin-turner overdrive
Sure, waste Bour’s prime on a rebuilding team, Jeter & crew really looking like they know what they’re doing over there, smh. They should have traded Bour for Bobby Bradley in November.
Mjm117
Offseason isn’t over. No need to rush and just give away Bour unless a solid deal is offered. Same for Yelich and J.T.
Mjm117
Besides best deal could probably be had by trade deadline.
terrymesmer
Swihart is out of options but Holt has one option left.
hediouspb
holt does not have options… well past his first three years
Ry.the.Stunner
Having “options” does not mean you’re in your first three years of career. You have to have been optioned back to AAA in order to use up an “option year”, so he has to have been sent back to the minors in three separate years, which I don’t believe he has.
outinleftfield
Of course, the O’s are looking at a 3rd tier starter like Cashner. No sense in going after even 2nd tier guys like Cobb and Lynn.
hediouspb
sorry, i thought pit. had used an option year…
Speak da Truth
The biggest mistake the RedSox made was not trading Swihart away when his value was at it highest.
And just think we could have gotten Cole Hammels for him, and Sox dropped the ball because they over valued him…Smh
I’ve always thought Vasquez was our best option at catcher. He’s the definition of what you would want in a catcher, pitch framing,Great arm,Good game caller and can hit, What more can you ask for?
Bruin1012
Just because you say it twice doesn’t mean it’s true. Philadelphia wanted Mookie plus for Hamels so let’s not pretend that Swihart would of gotten Hamels. Now I ask would of wanted to trade Mookie for Hamels? No I think not.
Purehitter6
Wishing we could keep Cobb but that’s life of a Rays fan. Whoever gets him will love his makeup and approach. Really came on 2nd half last year. Arguably, could be considered our “ace.”
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Cobb rejected the cubs 3 year offer I think the Cubs still land him. He’s the best available pitcher as a free agent.
jeralves79
Swihart will get another shot and come up short again. He’ll go down as another Sox can’t-miss prospect who missed. They’ll get nothing for an over-valued prospect as usual.
Bruin1012
You crack me up the Red Sox have hit on plenty of prospects there team is full of them Betts, Bogey, Pedroia, JBJ, Devers, Vasquez, Benny shall I go on. No team hits on all of its prospects but the Red Sox brass seemed to do pretty well. I also completely disagree with you Swihart has not been given a fair chance.
pjmcnu
Poor Justin Bour, no matter how good he plays, he’ll never make the truly big bucks. He could hit .280-40-120 in his FA year, and the current group-think among GMs the following off-season would be “Meh, he’s 33, maybe a 2/$25M deal. Too old.” Nice money for you & me, but 10 years ago (steroids, yes, I know) he’d have got 4/$72M, not even adjusting for the advance of salaries.