Two-plus months into what has been an abnormal MLB offseason, right-hander Yu Darvish remains one of several high-profile players without a contract. In general, the open market hasn’t been kind to rotation pieces this winter, as righty Tyler Chatwood’s fairly modest deal with the Cubs (three years, $38MM) ranks as the largest guarantee given to a starter thus far. He signed that pact Dec. 7, and it seemed unthinkable then that every one of the elite free agent starters – Darvish, Jake Arrieta, Alex Cobb and Lance Lynn – would still be available over a month later. And yet, all are without teams on Jan. 14.
Darvish is likely the best of the bunch, someone MLBTR predicted would land a six-year, $160MM contract entering the offseason, and has drawn the most headlines of the group this winter. Earlier this week, the 31-year-old top-of-the-rotation arm was reportedly deciding among six teams – the Rangers and Dodgers (his two previous employers) as well as the Yankees, Twins, Cubs and Astros. Houston is probably out of the race after acquiring righty Gerrit Cole from the Pirates on Saturday, thus giving the reigning World Series champions yet another quality starter in a rotation packed with them.
The Yankees and Twins were also among teams with interest in Cole this offseason, though the former isn’t necessarily in dire need of help in their rotation. With Luis Severino, Masahiro Tanaka, Sonny Gray, CC Sabathia and Jordan Montgomery comprising the Yankees’ starting quintet, general manager Brian Cashman likely doesn’t feel an urgency to splurge on anyone via free agency or trade. The Yankees don’t seem to be in position to reel in Darvish anyway, of course, as their goal of staying under the $197MM competitive balance tax threshold in 2018 looks like a major roadblock in this situation. Joel Sherman of the New York Post (Twitter link) estimates that the Yankees have already committed around $167MM to 15 players, which makes a Darvish signing a long shot even if he inks a deal for significantly less than our roughly $27MM-per-year forecast. In an ideal world for the Yankees, they’d be able to dump a sizable portion of reserve outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury’s $68.4MM on someone to create spending room, but that’s a tall order.
Unlike the Yankees, both the Twins and Rangers clearly need to bolster their rotations prior to the upcoming season. Minnesota managed its first playoff berth since 2010 last year, but it did so with little in the way of answers beyond Ervin Santana and Jose Berrios in its starting staff. And now, with no money on the books past the 2019 season, the small-market Twins are in position to make a splash. Their front office also happens to include GM Thad Levine, who was with Darvish in Texas from 2012-16.
Darvish still has an affinity for the Rangers, with whom he has spent nearly all of his career, but they don’t seem to have the payroll wiggle room to make a reunion happen. Moreover, the Rangers may be the weakest of the teams pursuing Darvish, considering they won 78 games last year while the others made the playoffs. Still, as one of the clubs remaining in the race for Darvish’s services, we shouldn’t dismiss the Rangers outright. Needless to say, Darvish would be a far more exciting addition than Doug Fister, Mike Minor and Matt Moore, all of whom have joined the Rangers’ still-shaky rotation this winter.
Shifting to the National League, the Cubs seem bent on reeling in another established starter – whether it’s Darvish, Arrieta, Cobb or a trade piece (Chris Archer?) – to join Kyle Hendricks, Jose Quintana, Jon Lester and Chatwood. The fact that Chicago has the financial means and desire to upgrade its rotation in a notable way could make the team the favorite for Darvish on paper. The Dodgers have also been known for their financial might, but like the Yankees, tax concerns have helped shape their winter thus far. It has been a quiet couple months for the reigning NL champs, whose only impact newcomers are inexpensive relievers. The Dodgers have committed approximately $186MM to their 2018 roster, per Jason Martinez of MLBTR and Roster Resource, making a Darvish reunion hard to envision.
Based on everything we know, the Twins and Cubs may be the best bets to win the Darvish derby. However, we’re still not going to rule out any of the other reported suitors or a mystery team from nabbing him. Where do you expect him to pitch in 2018?
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Rockies are the mystery team
Rox don’t need another starter, and don’t have cash for Darvish anyway.
Woah now, the Rockies may have 5 starters but that doesn’t mean they don’t need an experienced ace.
They’ve overspent on the pen this year already. Seems like an organizational shift to be more pen reliant. Seems more likely they’d sign starters to go 5 innings. Would be shocked if they signed and ‘Ace.’
Nope, Marlins are.
Get real, broski. The Chicago Chubs will sign Darvish. I know this because I am in contact with the big man.
You’re in contact with Santa?
Santa, Ba “Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson” Obama, Kim Jong Putin, you name it. I got the baseball news.
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There is no mystery team
I think he goes back to the Rangers!
Here before the Yankees fans spamming the results.
not all their fans want him
The tweets between Yankees fans calling Darvish stupid for not signing in Ny and Darvish himself have been hilarious. That dude is quickly becoming a fave. The fans are so mean to him and he answers them with humor and intelligence. Really great to see that from a player.
Wow one tweet and that makes all the fans bad. Lol, get a life
That isn’t his argument
It is when his argument is nothing but lies. He says “fans” like it’s eveyone. Yet it was only one person.
But I bet we can go find tweets from cubs fans, twins fans, etc calling him stupid for not going to their team.
If you can find at least two yankee fans on twitter who said that, it makes his statement valid. He didn’t say EVERY yankee fan. Don’t be so defensive.
your anger in here, sort of proves his point.
Bingo
One thing to be mindful of in today’s social media world are people who claim, or portray, themselves to be a fan of Team X (or from city X) who are nothing of the sort. For example, it could be Mets fans claiming to be Yankees fans, trying to make Darvish hate the Yankees. I’m not saying that’s the case, but sadly, people do that these days.
As a Yankee fan, I have no idea if he’s interested in New York, has a city or coast preference at all, or is solely motivated by dollars. That said, I am not convinced the Yankees need him enough to risk going over the luxury tax. With Severino and Tanaka locked in the rotation for at least 3 seasons, Montgomery and Sabathia for this season, Darvish would block the top pitching prospects. Given the current youth movement, I’m very interested in seeing what guys like Adams and Sheffield can do, and would rather risk missing the playoffs than simply signing a guy like Darvish who increases their chances but also potentially blocks prospects, and hurts their shot at getting below the luxury tax (and thus hindering long term results).
They neither ask nor poll fans before a signing.
TWINS TWINS TWINS TWINS TWINS TWINS TWINS
I think Twins have a good shot
I’m a yankee fan. I voted Cubs
I’m a Yankees fan, and I’d rather have Cobb or Arrieta. Although, I’d actually rather not sign another arm, as we have a lot of prospects I would love to see have a chance at the bigs.
None of the starting pitchers out there really are something I want. I want an innings eater. It’s probably a thing of the past, but I miss someone that can pitch deep into a game and get 200+ innings. Darvish and Arrieta have hit 200 once, both getting injured a year afterwards..
No one will sign him the way this lame ass off-season is going.
Oh he will sign with someone. In fact so will all the free agents. There is nothing lame
Well you can tell there’s a lot of unintelligent Yankee fans on here.
How
Because they’re posting comments?
It’s less “unintelligent” Yankee fans, as it is Yankee fans that are voting Yankees simply because they want him. I’d wager that’s probably true of most fans, they favor their own team in these kinds of polls when they want a player. But in this case, there are more Yankee fans voting because they have more bandwagon fans globally. It’s why you always see Cubs, Dodgers, and Red Sox lead these kinds of polls, unless there’s been a lot of buzz around a specific team, or comments from the player, agent, or management.
Frankly, I’m not sure any team has a clear advantage in the “race” to sign Darvish. Somehow, he’s just not generating the kind of interest we all expected.
I know you can’t judge a player off of two starts, but man those two starts in the world series were just awful. I wonder if it was a fluke, or perhaps he just can’t perform on the biggest stage. Time will tell
As pretty much every account of that series reported, he was tipping his pitches and the Astros picked up on it. That happens. Roger Clemens was alternately brilliant and horrible in the postseason, in which he pitched a ton. But it’s still, within a single postseason, pretty tiny sample size. I doubt two bad starts is going to turn the Yankees off.
He gave up only 2 runs in 11 innings prior to that against the Dbacks and Cubs.
As I posted in the other thread , Justin Verlander is 0-4 in 5 career WS starts. The one game he didn’t Lose was because of a Blown Save by the opposing teams pitcher (Jansen). Meanwhile he has a 6-0 record with a 2.29 ERA in ALDS and 5-2 in ALCS with a 2.57 ERA
I’m aware the WS is a bigger and the biggest stage , but I just think they’re too small of samples.
Clayton Kershaw is arguably the best pitcher on the planet, but his career postseason stats make him look more like a mid rotation pitcher.
Don’t forget he was tipping his pitches. That will likely be fixed.
OK, you tell me what pitcher is better to sign this year or next, and we know Kershaw is staying with the Dodgers or going to the Astros
Dallas Kheuchel and Garrett Richards will be free agents next season. I know at least one of those two are head and shoulders better than Yu Darvish.
Both had injuries over the last few years Darvish Career WAR 19, projected 2018-3.6 WAR. Kuechel 15.2 WAR projected 3.8, Richards 10.1 WAR, 2.6. Richards is not in the same ball park and Kuechel will most likely resign with Astro. like Kershaw with the Dodgers. i think Arreita and Darvish may be the best starting pitching options in the next 2 years.
prior to that…2ER in 11 innings in the postseason
Whichever team account he tweets at next.
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I’m reading that book now. It’s very good so far
I loved when the Cubs signed Lesterand then built the starting rotation around him. Would love if the Twins did that with Darvish.
Twins are a small market team with limited financial resources, so it would be tough for them to build around Darvish if they get him. Teams like the Twins have to develop TOR pitching in house.
The Twins may be a small market, but with little on books they do have money to spend. They won’t need to build the rotation around Darvish with FAs; they have 2 ptchers due soon who are top 100 prospects. It’s a young team with a ton of upside and their window is just opening. Plus there is a connection between Darvish and the Twins FO. They certainly make more sense than the NYYs.
If he wants to join a contender I say New York
Cubs , Nationals , Twins are on the rise who need a front line starter like darvish or Arrieta. A sleeper team will be in on Darvish, The angels for example.
Right, because the Cubs and Dodgers aren’t contenders.
No, Cubs and Dodgers make up half of the contenders in MLB. Meh…
Cubs are the most logical choice. The baseball purists will hate him for going to Chicago, but too bad for them.
Lester
Darvish
Quintana
Hendricks
Chatwood
or
Lester
Arrieta
Quintana
Hendricks
Chatwood
or
Lester
Quintana
Hendricks
Cobb
Chatwood
what will the cubs rotation look like?
Lester
Q
Hendricks
Chatwood
Montgomery
Plus a starter on a one year deal with club option
Cubs won’t break the bank this offseason cause they want to have flexibility for Harper
Regardless of who they sign, it starts Hendricks-Quintana.
The angels might have a better line-up than the Cubs this year, they are a possible team. Ohtani ‘s idol is Darvish.
A team in line to contend this year isn’t going to forgo spending on a need in order to (maybe) sign Harper next year. If you’re doing that, you can’t afford him to begin with.
That’s adorable, but no. The Angels do not have a better lineup than the Cubs. Not last year, not this year, and likely not next year either.
I see them bringing in someone like Chris Tillman or Jaime Garcia on a 1-yr deal to bridge the gap for Smyly’s return for next year.. Don’t get me wrongI’d like to see Darvish, Arrieta, or, Cobb, but don’t think it’s gonna happen. They will break the bank next winter on Harper.
The Yankees don’t need another starter. The only thing that will do is push the younger talent below to not make an impact plus who wants to sign a pitcher on the wrong side of 30? He should sign for a 4 year contract at max with a 5th year option. Cannot go beyond that. The big market teams are using that luxury tax as a hard cap and waiting to restart for the next free agent class.
They do need another starter. Can Severino repeat? CC Sabathia is in arguably his final season. Tanaka could be a ticking time bomb if they’re not careful. Montgomery could go in either direction….You can allow the kids to develop in AAA this year, come up to cover injuries, become a good trade chip or simply let one of them replace Sabathia next season on the cheap. It’s good to have options.
Now that the Yanks are back contending they won’t be as patient with their young players as they were last year. The bulls eye is back on their back.
I understand Davrish didn’t do good in The WS, but still, that was 2 starts. That shouldn’t be a large deterrent in a team’s decision to go after Darvish.
A’s can sign him and Arrieta if they really want to.
I’d be totally on board with the A”s signing Darvish if it’s for 4 years. 6 years would financially ruin this team, but 4/$104 is entirely reasonable if he’s willing to accept it.
Boston 5 years 125M and a big FU to Boras.
Twins or Cubs
Jays.
I think the Angels will sign him.
I don’t know if otani would like that. He already said he didn’t want to go to a team with a Japanese player.
Source? That’s kind of an interesting request for a player to make.
It was all over the news before he signed
It was all based on assumption. GM’s said they had the feeling he didn’t want to…just like they had the feeling he would sign with the NYY. What Ohtani did say was……
MLB.com: Would it be better for you and Darvish to be on separate teams
Ohtani: Being on the same team would be great, but being on separate teams would also be great, because I would get to face him.
m.mlb.com/news/article/262669080/a-february-qa-wit…
Well it’s not his decision
Right now you have Arreita, Darvish, Cobb, and Lynn, for Cubs, Twins, Dodgers, Yanks, Brewers. and Rangers. Musical chairs. !
I would add Cardinals to that list
Not if you’re drinking Mo’s kool-aid. According to him they are comfortable with their rotation, bullpen and closer.
No thing as small market. Twins owners are worth billions!
Two words: Cash Flow
Bet the house. He’s going to Baltimore
Can I take that bet?
Prepare for foreclosure.
I pray for darvish
Angels with Ohtani
As a Dodgers fan who was livid they dealt Willie Calhoun for this stiff all I can say is F Yu.
The Cubs will sign one of those remaining top-4 free agent pitchers. They might as well go for the best in Yu Darvish whose price will hopefully be much less than what was projected earlier this offseason. Since Darvish was traded in-season last year the Cubs also wouldn’t have to forfeit a compensatory draft pick in signing him as they would for either Alex Cobb or Lance Lynn.
I wouldn’t mind the Cubs re-upping with Jake Arrieta either although they would lose a draft pick that would come their way if he signed with any other MLB club. I have a feeling that Arrieta wounds up with the Nationals as yet another Scott Boras client in DC.
Arietta is barely a #3 starter on a good staff anymore. For that reason, it’s not smart to sign him for more than four years if you’re the Cubs. Darvish or Cob are the only logical FA pitchers to sign.
I agree on Arrieta. #3 at best. 4 years is plenty
But Cobb doesn’t pitch a full season. He has never pitched 30 games in a season. Never pitched 200 innings. Not that I think too much of Arrieta, but Darvish is the only logical pitcher to sign.
Although Darvish will require too many years and too much money to sign.
The Cubs do not lose a draft pick in signing Arrieta they just do not get the draft pick they would receive if he signed elsewhere
One Fan: That’s exactly what I wrote if you would care to re-read the second paragraph of my comment.
Oh there are plenty of small markets. Owners net worth has zero to do with the size of the market all the small revenue streams from smaller markets
Dodgers!
Just to ignite some hilarious conversation I’m going to say “the Mariners are definitely the mystery team,” right about… Now!
Angels!!
They may as well at this point. They’ve addressed nearly everything else besides a closer. Damn it, Anaheim! You’re going to be a tough matchup this season.
I think the guarantee of being the clear cut ace in Minnesota could play a deciding factor here. My votes on the twins.
I think that makes A lot of sense. I think the Twins have a good shot
Listen, listen , listen!!! The Cubs are going to sign Darvish. No more of this Tampa Bay, Miami, Baltimore, Kansas City, Seattle, Lehigh Valley IronPigs, going to sign him!
It’s gonna be the Yankees. Steinbrenner is gonna give the green light to spend all the money they want cause that’s what papa Steinbrenner would do and give him 6/185 bank on it. 18 champs baby
That’s why your championships are hollow. The only way NY can win is by buying every other tram’s best player. Adopt a salary cap and the yankees become the ny jets overnight.
6/185? Haha ok well that massive overpay probably would get him signed but Hal is not paying whatever because that is what his father would do. He does not operate that way. Try actually following baseball. You may learn a few things
I do follow baseball buddy. That’s why I know the Yankees will never let another team outbid them for someone because of some stupid luxury tax. George would be spinning in his grave right now if he heard this crap
Can’t the Yankees offer him whatever they want and just allocate most of it to seasons after 2018 to stay under the luxury tax threshold? For example, take the 6 year, $160M projection discussed in this article. Couldn’t they offer him a $10M salary in 2018 followed by $30M salaries for each of the last 5 years of the contract? Darvish still gets the AAV he wants, and the Yanks can still stay under the luxury tax cap in 2018.
That wouldn’t work out for NY because de AA salary would end up at 26.5 + million, thus putting them over the threshold by 6M.
I was thinking he same thing
“Can’t the Yankees offer him whatever they want and just allocate most of it to seasons after 2018 to stay under the luxury tax”
No. The tax is based on the AAV. So if the Yankees offer 6/$150M the tax hit will be $25M for 2018 no matter when the money is actually paid out.
I had this same thought some time ago with Stanton. Turns out it’s average AAV for multi-year contracts that’s used for the luxury tax calculation, so this wouldn’t work.
Luxury Tax calculations use AAV rather than actual yearly salary – so they wouldn’t be able to skirt anything by backloading a contract.
Okay. Thanks for explaining that. So, how do option years at the end of the contract affect the AAV calculation?
Generally only the buyout money is considered guaranteed money (it’s considered signing bonus money when it comes to the Competitive Balance Tax). There are some other stipulations regarding player options though. ARTICLE XXIII—Competitive Balance Tax, E. Determination of Salary, (5) Option Contracts (page 119)
link to CBA mlbplayers.com/pdf9/5450407.pdf
How do the Yankees poll in 2nd when he makes less sense for them? Their need isn’t as great as other teams, and wasn’t there a rumor that Cashman said he would sign him if they could get him on a bargain? After all they want to get below the tax threshold so it will reset, supposedly to be able to spend big in next season’s elite FA class. I guess some Yankee fans are going to vote Yankees no matter what the issue or if it even makes sense.
I don’t see why the Angels aren’t all over him. Even after the moves they’ve already made, they still seem a bit light. I believe signing Darvish would push them a little above other AL Wild Card contenders (mainly the Twins and Mariners). However, one of the two wildcard spots is going to be either the Yanks or Redsox, depending on who wins the division.
How much more room does the angels have in their payroll? Remember Trout is gonna want another extension down the road. Possibly simmons as well, I want them to get an ace like Darvish but I would be better off with them getting lance lynn.
I believe that Trout only has 2 years left on his contract (to your point about the extension) which means that their competitive window with the best player on the planet is running out. I’m saying go after Darvish now while their window is still open and take advantage of what appears to be a really top heavy AL.
The offense I believe is good enough to win, the rotation is where they are lacking the star power. The bullpen is really underrated , A lot of people are saying the angels don’t have the pitching, they have the depth but it’s the health. Darvish would be awesome but I would take Lance Lynn , he’s a bulldog , great in the postseason, And somebody that can give you 25-30 starts and 200 innings, era around 3.50
Trout gets a QO.
Cubs make the most sense to me. Twins as well, but who knows if they’d make that kind of commitment. Dodgers would be my pick if they hadn’t made the Kemp trade.
as a cubs fan i hope we get him.. but only if he wants to come here.
He is a free agent so if he doesn’t want to come here, he won’t be
Without reading the comments I’m assuming that there is a lot of unjustified Yankee fan bashing on here calling us stupid and whatnot ?
I think the brewers sign him and arietta quickly signs back with the cubs afterward.
I think you’re right about arrieta, i think he secretly wants to come back. He’s comfortable in chicago.
Yankees fans? Stupid? Your words not mine.
Well, to be fair, some Yankee fans deserve some of what’s being handed out. No one should be calling anyone stupid. But, Darvish makes less sense for the Yankees than most teams. They don’t need him as much as others, signing him would be a blow to the plan of resetting the CBT, and Cashman alluded to signing him if he came at a bargain, not likely. But it appears Yankee fans see their team in a poll, and vote because it’s the Yankees, seemingly without any logic behind it.
Now watch, Darvish will sign with them, and I’ll be the one to look stupid, but knowing what we do now, I can’t see the Yankees as the second most likely to sign him.
Maybe yankee fans are voting for the Yankees because they have been connected a lot to him recently.
CC, Tanaka and Gray have hardly been dependable inning eaters over the past couple of years and have injury histories.
They can make room for him but I dont see them making the highest bid. Darvish would pretty much have to take a discount to come
Expos are the mystery team
His attention to Yankee fans suggest the Yankees. But how would one know. Yankees can still sign DArvish and stay under the LT by trading Gardner or D-Rob, or even trading both at the trade deadline. Heck being a bit over the threshold wont be the end of the world as long as they dont go over much. Big increase to LT threshold (9 million) next year plus CC, D-Rob, McCAnn and Gardner potentially off the books (total gives them 48 million to spend less whatever they are over in 2018)
“… being a bit over the threshold wont be the end of the world…”
It’s not about how much over the Yankees are, it’s the consecutive years with the escalating penalties. They need to get under the threshold for one season so those penalties reset back to the minimum. Right now they’re paying 50% of the overage. If they want to pursue Harper or Machado next season they absolutely have to get below the threshold this year.
The LAD are already over the Lux Tax. The 185.4 MM is for 25 players with Turner counted as 11.4MM & Jansen at 12MM their 2018 sal. They will actually count 16 MM each their AAV. plus there will be 15 more players on the 40 man and 13 MM in added benefits.
As much as I don’t want it, my mariners need to sign him. I’d rather have Arrieta but they need a 1-3 starter bad.
The second he starts to mess up in NY the fans will be booing him like crazy. I know LA is blaming him for losing those two games. Being a Dodger fan I still say that Yuli Gurriel should have gotten suspended during the WS.
Being a Dodgers’ fan, it’s embarrassing to admit that Dodgers’ fans have spun some of the least-informed and ignorant opinions.
Including yours.
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I’m a Yankee fan and I’ll guess the Cubs get him. Sorry to spoil the stereotype.
No horse in this race but I picked the Cubs. They have to get someone (or resign someone) and since they can afford anything, why not Darvish.
I think Cubs, but hope Twins.
Twins
Twins or Cubs
I don’t understand why this guy hasn’t signed with the Cubs, Dodgers or Rangers yet. If the Yankees truly aren’t a contender, isn’t the decision easier? This is the only reason why I think the Yankees actually have a chance to sing this guy, since he seemingly has some kind of attraction to the team. Either that, or he’s simply using the Yankee name to drive up the price on the other teams, which is not too shabby of a tactic on his part. Im convinced he’ll sign with Dodgers or Cubs, but if the Yankees sign him? Cashman needs a place reserved for him in the Hall of Fame, starting tomorrow.
Attraction to the Yankees? Haha. You Yankee fans are so arrogant
I think if he was going to sign with the Cubs, he would have already.
I mean the Cubs went and made their sales pitch to him for like 3 hours, I’m sure he’s been given an offer from them.
So he met with other teams as well. So you are saying he is not signing with those teams either. So he signs with a team he never met with huh
Let’s go Yankees
after spring training starts, the cardinals will sign him. as usual, one pitcher from st louis will need tommy john surgery
I sure as hell hope the cubs don’t make this mistake.