Pace of play has been one of the chief initiatives for MLB commissioner Rob Manfred since he succeeded Bud Selig, with a pitch clock among the potential rules changes most frequently discussed in recent months. Today, both Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (subscription required/recommended) and Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com are reporting that the Major League Baseball Players Association is expected to reject Manfred’s latest pace-of-play proposal, but that Manfred will likely exercise his power to unilaterally implement the new measure despite a failure to reach agreement with the union.
In a follow-up (Twitter links), Rosenthal says the union has in fact “formally rejected” the league’s proposal, but that Manfred will meet with MLBPA chief Tony Clark next week to negotiate further. Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports has obtained the memorandum on the subject issued by the commissioner’s office. He details the league’s intentions — including timing rules for pitchers and hitters along with limitations on mound visits — as well as the compromise provisions that had been floated (and could, perhaps, still be discussed).
The reports indicate that a variety of pacing measures will go into effect in 2018, with a 20-second pitch clock perhaps the most visible and notable among them. Pitch clocks aren’t exactly new, as MLB has been experimenting with their use in the minor leagues by way of a 22-second pitch clock. If it does go into effect as the reports suggest, the rule would charge pitchers with a ball if they take more than 20 seconds between pitches (after one warning per game). Hitters, meanwhile, would be required to adhere to a 30-second timer between batters; after a warning (one per game), they would presumably be charged with a strike. Another set of rules would provide that a second mound visit to a given pitcher in the same inning must result in his removal from the game. In addition, future efforts would control the amount of time between innings and the number and length of pitching warm-ups, though that does not appear to be on the docket for the upcoming season.
Understandably, players aren’t particularly excited by the notion of feeling rushed or of rules impacting the count and, perhaps, the outcome of a given plate appearance. Indeed, one player involved in the negotiations tells Rosenthal that he’s never seen players so unified against an issue. Both Rosenthal and Crasnick suggest that the players feel pace of play can be enhanced by making improvements to the instant replay system and more closely monitoring down time between innings — neither of which would require a clock that would limit them on the field. The sentiment appears to be the exact opposite among MLB owners, as Rosenthal reports that they’re “strongly in favor” of the pace-of-play initiatives that the commissioner’s office is pursuing.
Disagreement over pace-of-play efforts won’t do any favors for labor relations. Though the league and union only recently struck a new, five-year collective bargaining agreement, there already appears to be a growing sense of unrest as players and agents alike look for explanations for an unfathomably slow free-agent market (at least for players other than relievers).
Of course, just what has led to the plodding (a perhaps generous choice of adjective) pace of the free-agent market isn’t entirely clear. Theories abound, ranging from the extent of penalization under the luxury tax, to a plethora of Scott Boras clients holding up the market, to a more general sense of groupthink among like-minded general managers that all value players in similar fashion. Some have speculated about the possibility of collusion, though the league has, to no surprise, steadfastly denied and dismissed the very notion — even going so far as to obliquely, and somewhat bizarrely, place the blame on Boras in a statement to Yahoo’s Jeff Passan. (We discussed the situation at length here.)
The proposed pace-of-play changes would hardly be the first significant alterations to the fabric of the game in recent years. The implementation of instant replay itself was and still is a rather polarizing topic, while MLB has also instituted rules to protect middle infielders from injury when turning double plays and to protect catchers at home plate in situations that would previously have resulted in violent collisions. More recently, MLB has eliminated the process of lobbing four pitches outside the strike zone on intentional walks, instead allowing managers to grant a free pass by making a signal to the umpires, and mandated that batters remain in the batter’s box between pitches.
Changes to the game are often met with resistance from fans and players alike. Rosenthal, however, notes that Manfred cites focus groups and surveys in emphasizing that younger fans are “alienated” by the game’s slow pace. That notion may well be true, though there are some counterpoints to his argument. It’s fair to wonder whether trimming a few seconds off the time between pitches and/or a few minutes off the average game would really impact interest levels enough to matter. Moreover, the implementation of additional change creates the risk of turning away dedicated fans who worry that alterations may unduly alter the nature of the game.
Clearly, Manfred and his charges feel that the possibility of converting younger patrons is worth the effort despite backlash from current fans and MLB players. As Rosenthal notes, however, the players’ decision to reject the proposal would grant them absolution in the event that the new rules flop or are received even more poorly among fans than expected — which could put them in a stronger position when negotiating rule changes in future offseasons.
RiverCatsFilms
GGRRRRRRRR
Kayrall
Players don’t want it, fans don’t want it. Manfred’s greedy pockets are craving it.
lowtalker1
Commercials are what slow down the game
Sure there are pitchers out there that take their sweet time
And every hitter readjusting gloves every pitch
It gets annoying
xabial
Hey Steve (or Passan since you cited him) can you list the prominent players, in favor of the pitch clock? Not everyone is against it, as you guys make it seem.
“I think it’s important, “I don’t think it would bother me. I think, I try to work fast anyway, for my fielders, to try to move the game along, so, I don’t think it would bother me.”
Why can’t all pitchers have this mentality like Sabathia? Antithesis of ones who take forever. Thank you, CC.
usatoday.com/amp/103518296
xabial
Sorry, meant to post this link with the full quote, and I agree with CC.
sny.tv/yankees/news/sabathia-wouldnt-mind-seeing-p…
mikeyst13
Being indifferent to it like CC is not the same as being in favor of it though. For most pitchers a 20 second clock should not even be a factor, but its just an added mental distraction. MLB needs to realize that the biggest issue on game speed is still commercials and 10 minute replay reviews.
xabial
Add Chris Sale to the rare pitchers, who would welcome a Pitch Clock. sports.yahoo.com/chris-sale-rare-pitcher-welcome-p…
The article notes: “Chris Sale, who works fast, said he welcomed the idea of a pitch clock and agrees with the idea of cutting out dead time” twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/954786657005391877?s=17
outinleftfield
What is the average time between pitches? Do you know? How much would a pitch clock save when its only for when no one is on base and a pitcher can simply step off the rubber to reset the clock? MLB estimates that the pitch clock would save 23-25 seconds per game, which the MLBPA says is the maximum it would actually save. That will really help speed things up, won’t it? Kind of like the automatic intentional walk. Its flat out stupid. That is worth ticking off the players? So far Sale and CC have come out saying they don’t mind the pitch clock. 2 out of how many?
This is just Manfred trying to make more time for commercials and show that HE is in charge.
bastros88
I want it
justin-turner overdrive
What makes baseball so beautiful and the greatest game, is that it’s the only one not handcuffed by time. Adding a clock is literally killing the game.
SimonSwings
Bro. Yes, completely agree. The game itself dictates the length, it takes as long as it takes. If you don’t like baseball, Manfred, please leave us alone.
xabial
Reminds me of reaction when the NBA added 3 PT line to make the game more exciting. Many people thought it was a “gimmick” in what it was trying to accomplish. That’s what this eerily reminds me of^ Bold prediction: game changes in the same way.
Rob Manfred is my hero for implementing the Pitch clock. Most of the minor leagues are used to it, by now, anyway.
My favorite example of the future of this game: (Preview below)
“Suter is a lefty from the Mark Buehrle school — get ball, get sign, throw. No extracurricular movement. Rather than the gamesmanship of trying to slow the lefty down, Judge’s mind game went the other way. He essentially not only stayed in the box, but stayed in his batting stance. It was a 10-pitch encounter that ended in a walk and from start to finish lasted 2 minutes, 17 seconds, or a pitch every 13.7 seconds — the constant action only making it more compelling.”
nypost.com/2017/07/13/the-pitch-clock-is-the-innov…
iverbure
To the people who argue and say dinosaur things like leave the game the way it is! Were you against other rule changes too? Did you like the game better without the DH? Did you prefer only division winners making the playoffs? How about pre Jackie Robinson? Your fear of change is laughable.
So you don’t think average games going over 3 hrs isn’t too long, okay what about 3:30 what about 4 hrs? How long is too long. Quit being stubborn and accept changes that will ultimately make the game better long term.
Sign all the Cubans
The DH sucks.
And throwing Jackie Robinson out there is a strawman argument and you know it.
iverbure
Ok how about when batters were allowed to ask for a high pitch or low pitch? Sports rules change and the baseball game right now is built on those changes so get over it. Baseball was better then! Baseball was better in everyones opinion when they were younger when they fell in love with the game. If you were a kid in the 70s your vision of when the game was the best was the 70s, if your 30 baseball was the best in 98 steroid era. Sports evolve welcome to reality
iverbure
How about when mlb enforced a drug testing program? You hated that too right? That was a change?
Suilebhain
I hate the DH. I hate the Wildcard I do think that re-alignment is the way to go, with two more teams added so that each league can have four divisions.
….and Josh Gibson should have broken the color barrier.
iverbure
This thread is way better if you play the song it’s my birthday I’ll cry if I want to. Bunch of salty dinosaurs crying about change.
Blame the players Manfred has said for years he wants the pace of play to pick up, if the players adjusted and all worked faster this wouldn’t be a thing. Now he’s gonna make huge changes and the players even though it’s in their best interest aren’t cooperating.
If I were a player I’d suggest no mound visits at all instead of a pitch clock but that’s just me.
outinleftfield
@iverblue All your arguments are specious. MLB has said this rule change would save 23-25 seconds per game. MLBPA says that is the maximum it will save and they are saying it would be closer to 15 seconds. If that is the difference, then get rid one commercial break. One less commercial saves 30 seconds per game.
If you were a pitcher fighting with teams using cameras in CF and all types of other high tech shenanigans to steal signs you would want nothing to change in terms of mound visits.
seamaholic 2
Players are p.o.’ed, and probably rightfully so. They have been poorly served by their union and the owners are taking full advantage. In any case, the pace of play proposal was over the top and the players were right to reject it.
phantomofdb
How much time per game has this actually saved in the minors? Not even apples to apples anyway since a lot of the delay is from advertisements
iverbure
Mlb network recently looked at two similar games one from 1984 one from 2014
The score of both games was 11-2
1984 game length 2:31
2014 game length 3:06
Ad time
84 33 mins
14 42 mins
Time between pitches
84 32 sec
14 57 sec
Each game had one mid inning pitching change and the both scores were 11-2. Players are just slower today.
Stop wasting time and money every time the ball gets a speck of dirt on it. No more walk music so the on deck batter stays in the on deck circle to listen to their walk up song.
outinleftfield
In the minors, the pitch clock is in place for all pitches. In MLB it would only be when there is no one on base. In the minors, they instituted 5 different changes including batters not being able to leave the box.
MLB said the pitch clock would save 23-25 seconds per game, because most pitchers are not over 20 seconds in the first place. MLBPA said about 15 seconds per game.
There are 11 minutes more advertisements between innings and during breaks like pitching changes today than there was 30 years ago. That is the biggest difference in game time. Actual playing time is not that much longer. MLB and the local channels paying teams like the Dodgers and Yankees $300 million per season for TV broadcasts have to make their money. Do you really think that games will get shorter because of garbage like this? The ads will just expand to fill the time.
EndinStealth
Welcome to ADHD nation.
fmj
exactly. It’s a bunch of people who want instant gratification. everyone needs to just chill and enjoy the game
mrnatewalter
I would normally agree. Baseball is a slower pace sport and fans just have to accept it.
However, there are things that can be done to speed it up. Pedro Baez, for example, shouldn’t be taking 10 minutes to get three ‘quick’ outs.
I’m all for speeding up the parts of the game where baseball lags.
layventsky
You must’ve loved when Rafael Betancourt pitched. I swear he’d adjust his hat, etc. 5 or 6 times between pitches.
realist101
I agree.
I got sick and tired of the number of times that Willson Contreras went out to the mound during the playoffs. It reached the point of being silly.
I recall a tweet – I think from Sam Miller – about one of Lackey’s appearances in last year’s playoffs: Lackey pitch. Listen to Song 2 by Blur. Next Lackey pitch.
I don’t know if MLB intends to use these rules in the playoffs right away. I can see the argument, especially with the pitch clock, of allowing a couple regular seasons for players to adapt before doing so. But there’s no good reason that the Pedro Baez types need to take as long as they do before every pitch or that catchers need to go to the mound so often.
outinleftfield
Baez averaged 30.1 seconds in 2017. That is the longest of any pitcher by nearly 6 seconds. Hunter Strickland is second at 24.2 seconds. The average is less than 20 seconds.
Also, there’s already a rule! Within 12 seconds after the pitcher receives the ball AND the batter is in the batters’ box. If the pitcher delays the game by violating this rule, the umpire can call “Ball.” Maybe the big time savings would be getting the batters in the box.
iverbure
Exactly people on here act like the game is perfect and a single change will ruin the game? People were up and arms about the intentional walk last year? Guess what nobody is saying that needs to be changed back.
This hasn’t been talked about by the biggest time saver would be an automatic strike zone but the old dinosaurs will hate that because they like human error which is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard and they change their opinion though when their favourite team has a close call go against them though lol.
Suilebhain
The Abracadabra Walk is silly nonsense, sort of like a grade school girl’s softball rule.
getright11
I have ADHD and don’t want the pitch clock.
brucewayne
Me 2
Brewers39
I have ADHD and would prefer the pitch clock. But what does any of that have to do with The Brady Bunch or chocolate?
bush5104
I applaud these changes, as baseball needs to become more “futuristic” and less “get off my lawn”.
It’s these changes that will enable them to be fans for life, whereas if they’re not interested now, they’re less likely to be interested later in life.
Kayrall
No.
liamsfg
This won’t get them interested lol. If you think that then you’re living in a fantasy.
Modified_6
I disagree. When I talk to people who don’t like baseball the pace of play is almost always the main thing they don’t like about it.
Hell I absolutely love baseball and I can’t stand watching pitchers walk around the mound and the catcher come out to the mound constantly, and guys like David Murphy who step in the box and roll the bat about 13 times before he ever sits in his stance. (Rangers fan, that’s where the Murphy frustration comes in)
ea1923sports
I bet you like all of the changes in the NFL also. In my opinion, the NFL’s changes have sent the game in the wrong direction. If MLB puts a clock on pitchers it could lead to more injuries, especially if they don’t give them their six warm-ups between innings. MLB will be punishing every pitcher, for the actions of a couple dozen really slow working pitchers. Doesn’t sound right to me. The umpires could speed things up without needing a clock. That will just be one more thing that the umpires have to watch
ea1923sports
I bet you like all of the changes in the NFL also. In my opinion, the NFL’s changes have sent the game in the wrong direction. If MLB puts a clock on pitchers it could lead to more injuries, especially if they don’t give them their six warm-ups between innings. MLB will be punishing every pitcher, for the actions of a couple dozen really slow working pitchers. Doesn’t sound right to me. The umpires could speed things up without needing a clock. The clock will just be one more thing that the umpires have to watch
bluejays12345
True true
Brewers39
MLB won’t be punishing pitchers who keep their butt on the mound ready to throw a pitch. Only the ones that take too long. And are the going to punish batters who step out of the box for over a minute each swing?
outinleftfield
There are already rules in place. 12 seconds once the pitcher has the ball and the batter is in the box and alert. That is the rule. Use it.
justin-turner overdrive
I like futuristic changes. but putting the first clock ever in the history of the game isn’t futuristic, its turning it into a entirely different game.
If they want to save time, force all pitchers to face a minimum 3 hitters unless they get injured. Simple. This would get SPs going deeper into games too.
VABlitz
I never thought of this rule, but I like it a lot, I’m sick of the left or righty specialist. It slows the game down. Make them pitch 3 hitters unless injured, if injured they better be on the DL the following day. The only exception will be the 9th inning and extra innings. Go nuts in the ninth.
aerainier
Kids are eating tide pods as a form of entertainment. Nothing you do to baseball outside of having players drink a bottle of dish soap before each bat will get the millennial generation interested.
Suilebhain
Yes, I think that players should all use glowing bats and dress up like their favorite superheroes. You could have the New York Thors, the San Francisco Spidermans, the Atlanta Falcons, and so forth.
trace
What about a pitch clock for free agents signings? Where is that?
lowtalker1
Blame boras
driftcat28 2
The only player I want to see with a pitch clock is Sonny Gray. That guy is slowwwwwww (27 seconds between pitches)
Cubbie75
Pedro Baez maybe
pustule bosey
the dodgers in general but yeah by the time baez throws a pitch I need a shave.
MB923
You can take vacations in between Pedro Baez’s pitches
outinleftfield
Baez was 30.1 seconds between pitches. 6 seconds longer than any other pitcher.
michaelw
haha no there was a Jumbo forgot his team and someone on the Dodger who took like 2 minutes
bastros88
Jumbo DIAZ?
seanwh01
Zack Greinke got excited because he thought Manfred said 2.2 seconds.
kbarr888
You do realize that 27 seconds is only 7 seconds longer than they want to implement.
If Gray throws 90 pitches in a game…..That’s going to save about 10 minutes over a 2 1/2 hour period. Do you really believe that the people who complain that “Baseball Is Too Slow”…….will change their minds over 10 minutes?
Doubtful at best……They don’t even like the game to Begin With!!!!
True Baseball Fans would never stop watching Baseball, even if it took “10 minutes LONGER”. This is designed to put asses in the seats…..ones that really aren’t there to “watch the game”……(…. LAD games…)
baycommuter 2
But it’s not just the 10 minutes…the game gets longer every year. Somehow that has to be stopped.
I can live with it on TV but I’m tired of going to a weekday day game and not getting out in time to beat rush-hour traffic, or a night game and worrying about whether I can get enough sleep to go to work fresh the next day.
ea1923sports
Some people drive 3 hours just to get to the stadium. Why would I want to watch a 2-hour game and spend 6 hours in the car?? I would say the opposite. When I am at a game, I hope it lasts 3-3.5 hours and when I watch it on tv I would prefer 2.5-3 hrs
VABlitz
That’s the other thing, night games. East coast teams visiting west coast teams must start the game by the east coast team’s time zone. So, a 7PM start for a NYY @ LAD game should start at 4PM PST. That way, us east coast viewers can watch the whole game. I’m sick of the 10:05PM EST starts on the west coast. Some of us have to work over here.
As for a West Coast team playing a West Coast team, you can continue playing your 7PM PST game at 7PM PST.
Sign all the Cubans
Local fans shouldn’t be penalized when the team plays at home. And there’s nothing about this idea that would reduce game duration.
This is a horrible idea and you should feel bad for suggesting it.
brucewayne
Heck ! When I go to a game , I want it to go longer!
Brewers39
But if 20 is the limit, he won’t risk a “ball” by cutting it that close. It’ll be more like 15. Probably will speed up most games by more than 20 minutes. Plus, if they do the same to the batters for stepping out too long it’ll speed it up even more.
outinleftfield
No one other than Pedro Baez averaged 27 seconds or more. He was 30.1. Hunter Strickland was second longest at just over 24 seconds. The average league wide was under 20 seconds. That is why making this change is so stupid. Its just a couple of guys that are longer anyway.
22222pete
As an umpire I would feel overwhelmed in being tasked to monitor all this. Might need another ump just to track mound visits and watch the clock
Kayrall
Hopefully umpires invoke their right to officiate as baseball purists and not enforce this rule, just like basketball referees and traveling.
Cubguy13
Yeah keeping track of up to 2 mound visits for a pitcher in a inning when the game is at a pause seems pretty tough.. Good thing they hire adults to umpire and not ADHD kids who are unable to pay attention
tigergreg
On the other side, who wants to see the whole infield go to the mound multiple times an inning. Or the C go to the mound 3 times in one at bat. I dont think we need a pitch clock, but there are times where they just need to get on with the game.
kbarr888
I agree that the trips to the mound were quite aggravating in the World Series…..especially by the Astros. The only issue for me is…..as a former pitcher…..sometimes, it takes a couple visits for you to “regain your focus”…..
Some restriction is necessary, but limiting it to 2 visits/inning is too strict.
VABlitz
Don’t forget the toss to 1st Base. Unless he is actively trying to pick the guy off, no throws to 1st base. It must be a fastball to first, not some lob meant to prolong the clock.
bluejaysfan
I think the umpires have had their integrity taken from them. Get rid of a lot of the replays and count catcher visits to the mound with coaches visits. I played baseball at an international level and have always hated when my pitcher and catcher can’t get on the same page. Talk in between innings and figure it out. If you don’t like the pace of baseball done watch. I don’t like the pace of football, so I don’t watch it. Stop messing with a good thing.
outinleftfield
No one that has ever pitched at any level above little league would say what you just said. No one.
In MLB today they are stealing signs with high tech gadgets and cameras that did not even exist 10 years. To take the ability for a catcher and pitcher to change signs during an inning away from them is ludicrous.
Cubbie75
God forbid that Americans be forced to think or strategize. Next they’ll show cartoons in between pitches so no one will have to use his pesky brain.
Phillies2017
I’m not feeling this, honestly, baseball is baseball, leave it be
EndinStealth
Manfred needs to go. Start his clock.
bluejays12345
Hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha
Dark_Knight
Watch it fade away then.
thesheriffisnear
Pedro Baez is screwed
timyanks
one reason games are longer, is from specialty pitchers. more pitching changes, lack of pitchers pitching complete games, not throwing strikes and issuing more walks.
i remember games, growing up that were under 2 hours. rarely, if ever did 9 inning games go even close to 3 hours.
Senioreditor
20 mound visits by catchers and hitters stepping out after every pitch to adjust their gloves or cup……
pustule bosey
specialty pitchers and changes aren’t as impactful I would say as mound visits and slow starters since a starter that doesn’t move the ball tends to wear out the defense and even in low scoring games lead to more baserunners on contact- we will see how much this changes but when the pace picks up players are actually more sharp defensively, especially middle infielders
ea1923sports
You are forgetting how it may affect a pitcher. If a pitcher needs 15-20 secs to breath and get refocused before stepping back up on the rubber and taking his sign, then that may help him throw more strikes. If these pitchers feel rushed, then they won’t be as sharp and the game may not speed up at all!!
LongTimeFan1
It might also endanger them pitching in a hurry, distracted and unready to field something hit back at the then
iverbure
Oh no the poor pitchers, oh no. Wow they’d be forced to adapted god forbid! How could mlb do something like that!
iverbure
Easports you realize most of the players in mlb have played with this in the minor leagues? Let’s not pretend like most of them aren’t use these rules.
justin-turner overdrive
Managers should never go on the field.
VABlitz
I’m fine with them visiting, but I think they should only visit the mound when they are making a change. Otherwise, wait until the innings over to give your encouragement.
baycommuter 2
Not even that long ago for two-hour games. Ever see a Mulder vs. Buehrle game?
timyanks
or greg maddox complete game with less than 100 pitches
outinleftfield
More strike outs and more walks means more pitches and that means longer games. You are right about that.
Unless you are over 70, you didn’t have games under 2 hours when you were growing up. Well, maybe little league games.
bencole
Manfred’s a loser. He needs to be gone. Now. Don’t change pace of play. At all. For any reason.
Slipknot37
I think this should be more about what the players think than the owners, fans, and everybody else who doesn’t play the game.
timyanks
games get longer from a historical standpoint. little leaguers imitate their favorite players and after so many years, it’s gotten to where games are lasting longer. plus what i posted before.
sprtsjnkyyak
what if relief pitchers had to be ready to pitch when entering the game. get rid of the warm up tosses. take the mound be ready to go. i think that would speed things up a little and maybe make managers think twice about going to the pen. just an idea
nats3256
Until your team is on the road and it’s the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs. You want his first pitch on a mound that may be a little wetter than normal to be a live pitch?
Marytown1
That would take away from advertisements and they would never want that.
Padres Armchair GM
I get the idea, not a bad idea, only reason I say no is the concern for injury. Coming in and having to uncork your best stuff right off the bat could see somw arm troubles popping up more often. Thatd be my only concern.
RazorRamonie
Most of these comments to this make no sense all the pitchers warm up in the pen before they come to the mound, the bullpen mound is the exact same as what they are coming out to, so why can’t they just start pitching? They don’t need 8 more pitches to get warmer they are there all ready, it all is about the advertising, eliminate or limit it, do the side by side advertising, we will not mind hearing the commercial while the game is on. Most people don’t watch it live they will watch it maybe half hour or more after start time to fast forward through commercials anyway so what really is the purpose.
MrStealYoBase
There are always slight differences between the bullpen mound and the actual one. Pitchers need a few practice tosses to adjust for this. Whether they should get 3 or 8 is another question but i don’t think you can take it away all together.
ReverieDays
3+ hours of a football and only 11 minutes of actual gameplay and they want to try and “speed up” pitchers…ridiculous.
jdgoat
How does the NFL have anything to do with the MLB and MLBPA?
Cat Mando
One of the arguments often heard is football has more action and that is not the case.
realist101
That’s to some degree a fair criticism of football, but the downtime in between football plays lends itself to replays of the prior play in a way that the time between most pitches in a baseball game does not.
Cat Mando
Unless the replay is of something controversial it’s filler like the rest of the time…here is a break down based on several studies 2010-2015 approx. Here are some random numbers
Game action 11 minutes
Replays 15 minutes
Shots of coaches, crowds, cheerleaders etc 36 minutes
Commercials 63 minutes
shots of players standing around 67 minutes
Baseball game action 17 min. 58 sec.
football commercials/hour 47…baseball 29
sportsgrid.com/real-sports/nfl/pie-chart-actual-fo…
nationalsarmrace.com/?p=475
VABlitz
I love the clock in football until the hurry up happens. I DVR the game. Right after the play, I hit my 30 second skip and the next play starts. It shortens my viewing time, as well as fast forwarding the commercials.
beyou02215
This is stupid.’
socalbum
This could get very ugly if Manfred unilaterally imposes practices that are unpopular amongst players. Players with protections under the NLRA could take protected, concerted activity with MLB in danger of an unfair labor practice charge for taking any disciplinary action. Manfred needs to reconsider the effect on player relations over practices that might reduce average game time by 10 minutes.
iverbure
Oh please. Here’s an idea how about the players make some suggestions and be a part of the process instead of trying to use it as s negotiation tactic and a dumb one since they don’t have any leverage.
dimelotitony
Change of pace needs to happen especially in today’s society. There was pushback with the notion of instant replay, now there is pushback from setting up a clock. There are far too many batters that are more concentrated on every pitch to adjust their batting gloves or helmet without even taking a swing. There are far too many catchers with no one on base that will visit the mound like if there was someone on second base stealing the signs. Everyone says leave baseball as is but baseball has evolved as society and other sports have evolved otherwise we would still be watching baseball players with real wooden bats and not the thin set toothpicks we call baseball bats today, the mound has since adjusted since the good ol’days, strike zone has been unified, stadiums are no longer spacious they are band box.
See the theme everyone will bitch in the beginning including ballplayers but in the end Baseball like other sports are adapting to today’s society. Otherwise lets take away players like Jason Heyward earning $28 million for not being a complete ballplayer, make every pitcher go 8 even 9 innings then. So ballplayers, umpires and fans just have to suck it up….
b-rar
Replay has been an absolute disaster. You have five minutes of dead air with the camera trained on two umpires wearing headphones connected to a Vietnam-era radio set. It completely saps the interest out of the most exciting moments of a game. The games don’t go any quicker, and they still don’t get the freaking calls right.
justin-turner overdrive
Replay is awesome, the problem is still having human umpires who are like 50 year old men with non-perfect vision making basically impossible calls. Laser guided strike zones need to happen. Not many other jobs out there where you do your job properly and everyone can see it, but some bumbling idiot that has control says its wrong? Nah, this is a billion dollar industry not alleyway stickball.
LongTimeFan1
We could also replace players with laser guided robots. They can be programmed to play the game with perfection. .
xabial
my favorite logical fallacy, too.
yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope
Tom E. Snyder
Or just play a video game.
Dark_Knight
The pitch clock isn’t going to really do anything, most of the good pitchers out there tend to work quicker anyway. Batters should be forced to stay in the box though, they shouldn’t be granted time after every pitch.
The bigger problem is pitching changes. They need to increase the minimum batters a pitcher must face.
screwball8
Impeachment? This guy is terrible for baseball..
Padres Armchair GM
I dont mind the pitch clock, but why are pitchers getting 20 seconds vs hitters 30? Should be 30 seconds each, id even go 40 seconds each.
Also, didnt see it in the article, might have missed it but what about
Catcher pitcher meetings? Does that pause the clock? Are those limited? Same with infield visits.
Hitter calling time? Is that limited as well? Do they get 1 per at bat, game, hows that handled? What about hitters resetting after every pitch?
Also, if youre looking to speed up the games why not move bullpens in closer so they arent jogging from the outfield to the mound? Or limit the time the manager has to pull his pitcher and replace him on the mound? I mean managers going through 2 or 3 guys in a inning for platoon purposes adds time.
So many alternatives to shorten a game.
outinleftfield
The pitch clock timing would start once the pitcher receives the ball with his foot on the rubber. To reset the clock he can just step off the rubber. It would not restart until he is on the rubber again.
moe 3
Want to speed up the game? Lose a few commercials!!!
Slipknot37
That’s not going to help, because they have commercials while players go to the dugout, exit out the dugout to the field, and get ready. Why would you want to take time off of that?
Slipknot37
But thats just what I think. Who knows? Maybe less commercials will help. Me, I just don’t see it
start_wearing_purple
I feel like Manfred and the owners are essentially trying to see how far they can push the Union and it’s going to backfire. Pushing through a pitch clock without the Union’s blessing is one thing. To do it in an offseason when the word collusion keeps coming up is another thing.
bravesandcrewfan
As a young fan with a short attention span, screw this. It won’t speed up the game much at all unless you are Pedro Baez and make the pitchers rush and throw worse. Not to mention there are definitely times when multiple mound visits are warranted. Maybe a max of one per batter, but not 3 batters a row or something like that. This just hurts the players and what hurts the players hurts the game.
iverbure
You want a max of one visit per batter? Lol how on earth does that help. Stop making excuses for slow players plain and simple they will be forced to adapt now and it will benefit you as a viewer.
xabial
Take advantage of the technology. — I like it IMO.
Enforce mound visits, tightning of batting gloves, and have fewer commercials are a couple of other suggestions.
xabial
Tightening* of batting gloves.
Enforce less* mound visits.
They don’t enforce the rules.
liamsfg
If they implement this I likely won’t watch baseball this year. Its just not sitting well with me.
iverbure
Betcha I’ll see you commenting on here and I bet you will watch
dmarcus15
Really baseball that’s what you have to worry about….how about a salary cap that with help small market teams compete this will help players stay with one team instead of bouncing and yes I’m talking to you Zach Grienke, or how about making one draft for international and amateurs eliminating the international pool making it easy for the average fan to understand it.
VABlitz
The only way he was staying a Royal is if it was like the early days of baseball where the team owned you. I don’t think money was the only reason why he wanted out of KC.
But I agree there should be a cap on players salaries.
chicagovinny
The big picture? Average game time now 3:05, up over a half hour since 1980s. MLB losing the youth market because games too long. Use the clock!
MegaJman
But they will never get the 10 minutes wasted from every game due to instant replay which wasn’t there in the 80’s
Cat Mando
We will never recover the time lost to specialty pitchers either. 1980 was the last time a pitcher (Steve Carlton) tossed over 300 innings (304.0…38 GS) and had 13 CG (way down from his high of 30 CG in 72). he averaged 8 ip/game.
In the AL it was Rick Langford at 290.0, 33GC and 28 CG…..8.79 ip/game. Those changes of specialty pitchers have lead to the steady lengthening of games.
With more teams tinkering with 5 ip starters and some mentally toying with the idea of using several pitchers for 3 ip +/- it won’t get any better.
outinleftfield
Or the 11 minutes of extra commercials per game since the 1980’s
ea1923sports
This is due to more pitching changes. Specialty relievers have become a huge part of the game and that isn’t going to change. In the 80’s, teams didn’t have 3 0r 4 headed monsters, that teams count on, to come in and win games for them. They counted on their workhorse starters to get this done. They had many hitters and pitchers who had the same ‘routines’ between every pitch. Not much has changed in that aspect
Cat Mando
I was typing about the same time as you and basically the same thing but I posted much later as I got wrapped up reading some articles. One in particular by Rany Jazayerli caught my eye. It is old….2002 but still pertinent. “Doctoring The Numbers: The Five-Man Rotation” baseballprospectus.com/news/article/1596/doctoring…
jaysfan66
They are destroying the game!!!!
majorflaw
“Another set of rules would provide that a second mound visit to a given pitcher in the same inning must result in his removal from the game.”
Isn’t this the rule now? Or are you referring to a second mound visit by a catcher?
pustule bosey
it isn’t right now – it is for the manager but I don’t believe there is a limit for the coach.
majorflaw
I don’t believe the rule distinguishes between a manager and a coach for purposes of counting mound visits. IOW a visit from the pitching coach (or any other non-medical personnel) counts as a visit.
kbarr888
Mound visits from managers and/or coaches count. Any combination of “more than 1” results in that pitcher leaving the game.
Mound visits by Catchers, 3B, 1B, etc do not currently count, and are not restricted in any way.
THIS^^^ is the area that needs to be addressed…..Not a Pitch-Clock…
BlueSkyLA
Quite right. Unclear what other changes are being proposed.
iverbure
Agreed kbarr, if the players are smart they would suggest no mound visits before the pitch clock. Manfred might accept that comprimise
acerulli1
I think the suggestion pertains to the players in the field. Obviously the current rules already limit visits from the dugout to 1 per pitcher, per inning without making a change.
Cam
Another fine example of just how weak and powerless the MLBPA is. Quite possibly the most under-powered Player’s Association in professional sport.
When you’ve given the power to the league to effectively do what they like, without your consent, you’re screwed.
camdenyards46
MLBPA is one of the strongest unions. Look at the NFL, without guaranteed contracts. But I admit they goofed here.
TheBoatmen
I wonder how the pitch clock will work with pick off throws? Are pick offs no longer going to be allowed unless you can get the ball back to the pitcher and thrown in 20 seconds?
pustule bosey
I think ball just needs to leave the hand – the issue is more the pitcher looking back the runner over and over and shaking off
VABlitz
I hope they limit the pickoff throw more if they implement the pitch clock. These pitchers will just start throwing a lob over to 1B while they get ready. If it’s not a pitch that can conceivably get a player thrown at 1B, they should add a ball to the hitter’s count.
Sign all the Cubans
So, fewer pickoffs leads to more stolen bases, and thus, more scoring, which leads to longer games, likely making this “problem” even worse.
You’re just full of great ideas, aren’t you?
pustule bosey
suck it dodgers – especially baez that guy takes like a dog’s year between pitches but in general they take fore freakin ever on the mound.
NicTaylor
Need to limit mound visuals for sure. We’ll call it the Sanchez rule…
jpagel27
It’s so dumb they are putting to much thought into this
citizen
housing market is slow too. must be boras or the mlb owners.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Tony Clark got rolled so hard in that last CBA it’s amazing…
TC- “If you get rid of first round pick compensation for qualifying offers, I’ll let you write the entire rest of the CBA and will sign it without reading it.”
RM- “Deal.”
But there are a few other ways to speed play that seem so obvious..relievers just came out of the bullpen, they do NOT need to throw EIGHT warmup pitches on the mound. Limit that to 3.
Batters should get a strike if they step out of the box.
Direct audio (like the QB’s helmet in the NFL) between the manager, pitching coach, etc and the players to limit the time spent watching old men walking slowly onto the field.
Brian 2
Except the batter would hear everything the catcher says
66TheNumberOfTheBest
The catcher could use code words like a QB does at the line of scrimmage.
dbec72
I can agree to limiting mound visits per pitcher at two per inning, but the pitch clock seems like a lame idea. I don’t like the 2nd base and home plate rules either. Why are so many trying to make boys and men wimps? Many rule changes are making sports for girly men. NBA and NFL are lamer than ever.
CompanyAssassin
Stop.
Clay Buttholes
Watching baseball feels like watching paint dry a lot of times in the past 5 years. I’m tired of watching David Price taking 35 seconds to throw the ball. It’s not about the commercials; it’s about the pace of play. The players have too much power in this league which is ok. At the end of the day it’s entertainment so fans need to be entertained. And without a pitch clock; half the time it seems like i’m not being entertained. The players in AAA are doing fine the professionals can handle it. Bring us the pitch clock PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
outinleftfield
No pitcher averages 35 seconds. The highest was Pedro Baez at 30.1 seconds. The second highest was Hunter Strickland at 24.2.
pepesilvia
Finally a move that makes sense. They should also make a limit on other things like hitters intentionally fowling off balls just to drive up the pitch count. It’s ridiculous and against the spirit of the game in my view.
They also need to limit how many throws to first a pitcher or team gets. I seen guys throw over 5 or 6 times before even if u can see the runner isn’t going nowhere. Ridiculous.
pepesilvia
I forgot one other thing if a pitcher starts an inning they should be required to finish it. All these pitching changes really I’ll the momentum of a game. I would make an exception maybe if the pitcher got hurt or something like that there but other then that we don’t need 6 pitchers in an inning.
jd396
Go to 2 strikes instead of 3. That’ll speed stuff up.
emceecee
Who even needs strikes. They get one pitch, if they don’t hit it out of the park they are out. Then we won’t need fielders anymore. Don’t need to waste all that time having them run out to the field.
emceecee
Or just eliminate strikes altogether. One pitch, if you don’t hit it out of the park, you are out. There done, no more fielders. Save all the time of them jogging out to the field every inning.
Sign all the Cubans
This is satire, right?
blakeh11
Take less time between innings less commercials etc. Don’t try to speed up the game with a pitch clock us true baseball fanatics don’t need a fast game. When you understand the finer points of the game you waste all that “free time” thinking about that not that he needs to hurry up.
camdenyards46
A lot of baseball’s beauty comes from its uniqueness. Untimed, playing field. The goals of soccer, hockey, basketball, and football is to move up the playing field to score, and the game ends after the buzzer. Baseball is very different. I don’t really see how the pitch clock will help much anyway though. Time between innings, and pitcher substitutions are the biggest time eaters.
mike156
The players want to play their game. But some of this is misplaced anger about how this offseason has cone—which ought to be directed at their Union
bernbabybern
I don’t know why there would be so many pitchers against it when most of them naturally deliver a pitch in under 20 seconds anyway.
That said, with the C-word being thrown around this may not be a good time for the Commissioner/Owners to strong arm in a new rule.
joshb600
How would a 20 second pitch clock and 30 second hitter clock work simultaneously between batters? Does the 20 second rule still apply when a batter is walking up to the plate? If so, the 20 second clock would always run out before the 30 second clock. Or is this only between pitches in an at bat, and disregarded when a new batter is coming up?
emceecee
30 second batter clock is only between at bats (30 seconds to change batters) and 20 second pitch clock is only between pitches in a given at bat. The 20 second pitch clock would probably start when the new batter enters the batters box.
outinleftfield
The pitch clock starts when the pitcher receives the ball and has his foot on the rubber.
HeyBroItsBrad
100% in favor of this.
jd396
Millions of inner city kids will start playing baseball now
Nats ain't what they used to be
In my mind the issue is not the second or two that can be cut between pitches. Average game has about 250 pitches so cutting 2 seconds each pitch only saves 8 minutes. A much bigger issue is the endless parade of RP and the time for them to come in and warm up just to face a batter or 2. Make RP pitch at least an inning.
timyanks
typo or miscalculation? 6 minutes
kbarr888
250 pitches x 2 seconds = 500 seconds……
Divide 500 seconds by 60 seconds/minute = 8.33 minutes saved
timyanks
guess it was both a typo and a miscalculation
outinleftfield
It’s not as much as you think. This rule would only apply to at-bats with no one on base and the pitcher can step off the rubber to reset the clock. MLB estimates that this would save 23-25 seconds per game.
agn1
Lose. The. Instant. Replay. It’s anything but instant.
timyanks
electric/laser strike zone
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Please.
Get the calls right AND eliminate pitch framing so teams will put catchers who can hit and throw on the their rosters instead of noodle arms who swing wet newspapers because they are really super good at subtly moving their glove an inch.
kbarr888
Pitch Framing is basically “Theft Of A Strike”.
That entire mindset needs to be Eliminated…………
They need to stop “rewarding guys for being dishonest”.
Sheeeesh……
BlueSkyLA
How do you know?
justin-turner overdrive
Hmmm male aged 35-60’s eyesight vs an invisible laser guided zone that sets up the perfect zone that the hitter and pitcher can actually see? Obvious choice there.
No more framing nonsense, no more bad human umpiring. Baseball doesn’t need a clock, but it does need to get rid of the human element. No other billion dollar industry allows the human element to have any kind of effect on its profit margin the way MLB does.
BlueSkyLA
Pitch framing is nonsense. It’s nonsense to believe that it actually exists.
xtraflamy
Never. The subjectivity of the strike zone is one of the most beautiful things about baseball.
timyanks
roberto alomar should have vomited on that umpire instead of just spitting. pitch was at least 6 inches outside
xabial
I’m all but certain you’re head of the Umpire Association, xtraflamy.
That was very beautiful, and poetic but it doesn’t change how those who ****ed by umpires feel. (Fans included)
The technology is there, and it’s been there, mlb/people are scared to embrace it.
Replacing Umps with a laser/computerized strikezone is the epitome of “Slippery Slope fallacy”
Bocephus
The pitch clock isn’t gonna entice more inner city kids to pickup the game again. The NBA has now become the the #2 sport in the US because of so many things. One being the NBA markets its stars the best of all the major sports through merchandising,music,ESPN,and social media. The NFL is king because of national interest of the whole league,even fantasy draft shows topple MLB games in ratings. Both the NBA and the NFL keep up higher interest even during their offseason.
justin-turner overdrive
The NBA has more talent now than it ever has. Every team has a Jordan now, and every game has a 90’s playoff tempo, it’s wild. Huge rebound from the boring Spurs reign of gray over the league for so long.
The NFL is dying though.
Bocephus
“The NFL is dying though” can you possibly elaborate on such an outlandish statement? Tell the 100+ million people that watch the Super Bowl this. You also proved the point about the NBA but that “Every team has a Jordan” comment is nuts like your NFL comment.
outinleftfield
The Super Bowl was not the most watched event in the US. Even if you include the NFL playoffs it’s not the most watched. The most-watched would be March Madness and NCAA Championship.
thegreatcerealfamine
I’ve read quite a few of your posts and found them fairly comical but this one takes the cake!
timyanks
nba players suck
mj-2
I didn’t read that entire wall of text. Anyone want to sum up how pick off attempts factors into this genius idea (if it was mentioned above?)
We limiting number of times they can throw over too? If not cant wait for all the pick off attempts to reset the pitch clock. If so can’t wait for all the extra stolen bases because baserunners know pitchers will be limited
All in all sounds like a fantastic idea MLB. Keep up the great work
/sarcasm
iverbure
That’s the problem you read they might want to change something and instead of reading what changes they would like to make and how they will improve the game, you took your ball and went home and were salty
Altanta Barves
Awful. No way this increases attendance or viewership.
GarryHarris
Paul Waner wrote that batters had to be ready the instant the umpire gave the go. If a batter dawdled the way they do today, the pitcher would pitch regardless. If a batter stepped out, the pitcher could still pitch. I think that is the true issue. The batters calling time after every pitch.
justin-turner overdrive
lol, that was millions of years ago
mbbslam
Pace of play rules will do nothing for attendance or viewership. It is just another way for the brass to show it’s power over the players. The rule changes are intended to help the hitter which will lengthen games not shorten them.
MegaJman
For over a hundred years, the way young players were drawn to the game was simply to be taken by their parents to the ball park. The smell of the grass on the field and the hot dogs in the stands, breeze in your face, the anticipation of catching a foul ball headed your way, talking about different players and situations with your dad., etc. You don’t need to change the game to keep kids interested. The pace of the game, the strategy, the drama unfolding throughout the game is all part of the draw. I already think the excitement of the game has been diminished by the double play and home plate collision rules, and especially instant replay. Bad calls and mistakes by umpires ( often resulting in humorous outbursts from managers) are part of the charm of the game, and during a course of a long season even themselves out. As far as player safety goes, well baseball was never supposed to be a non-contact sport. Look at the diminished ratings from the NFL year after year. People miss those big hits and great tackles which are now a penalty. Professional boxers and MMA fighters don’t wear head gear after all. It is all part of the risk to entertain and make millions of dollars playing a game and it used to be worth it when they didn’t make a fraction of what they do now.
mbbslam
I agree with everything you said the rules involving contact with the head are ridiculous. Soccer where there is constant blows to the head in one way or another shows these new rules the NFL and nba have implemented are jokes.
timyanks
one reason for concussions in the nfl IS the helmet. make’em play without a suit of armor
MegaJman
They would be smarter about tackling without them for sure!
mbbslam
Like rugby,that would solve all of the NFL problems and internationally viewership would go up.most often the simple answer is the correct. The reason they don’t is the 2 billion dollars in merchandise they sell yearly.
MLBTRS
Pace of play rules are driven mainly by the sports media who would rather spend 2 hrs on the job instead of 3. It’s just a job to them and they want to minimize the time that they’re on it. They were also a driving force behind new stadium construction that they saw as an improvement in their working conditions. Anyone concerned about “pace of play” isn’t much of a baseball fan.
mlb1225
Why!? The majority of MLB players don’t want it, most fans don’t want it, so why implement it?
LongTimeFan1
Greed.
MLBTRS
Define “greed”, and if it’s having more than you need, then you’ll need to define “need”. Each person gets to define their own needs, and I “need” a new Mercedes and a mansion in the Hampton’s.
mbbslam
America has become allergic to defense in all of there sports. More scoring owners think will make them more money. People crave to see great competition and you can only have that when your allowed to play defense. The NFL has gotten rid of any hope of a team ever being like the 85 bears. Basketball has done the same. Now baseball is trying to do the same.
sampsonite168
pitch clock only when the bases are empty
mlb1225
What’s gonna happen in like, lets just say the next 10 years, if this trend continues? Will batters have to stay in the batters box, or be penalized if they step out?
VABlitz
I hope so, that’s the biggest waste of time after mound visits. The batter that steps out of the box after every pitch to retighten their batting gloves, scratch their balls, spit their chew, or whatever else they are doing. I say, let the pitcher pitch no matter where the batter is. If he wants to step out, then it will be an easy strike for the pitcher.
Botner
Why people would be against this is baffling to me. I’m a die-hard baseball fan, and while I don’t really care either way, if it helps convert (or retain) even one new fan, I’m all for it. It certainly won’t solve everything, but 10 minutes a game is 27 hours over the course of a whole season.
How will it effect your enjoyment of the game as a fan one iota? Answer: It won’t. I’ve been to plenty of minor league games and I don’t even notice the clock.
Being against this is just yelling at a cloud. You’re on the wrong side of history.
xabial
Well Said.^
Thank you, my friend.
This. All of This.^
Thank you for sticking up to people who’d probably vote against those giant HD screens being added to stadiums, if they weren’t introduced yet since they take away “human element”
Botner
Thank you. For everyone that’s like “it’s only 10 or 15 minutes, it doesn’t matter!”…how many times have you seen a movie that dragged on 15 minutes too long that could have been a lot better if the pace and flow were tightened up just a bit.
Same concept here.
Also, regardless of the actual time saved, it helps change the narrative by showing that baseball is addressing the issue.
LongTimeFan1
I’ve never noticed a Giant HD screen getting an At Bat or running the bases. Have you?
xabial
“Yes, it can be very distracting and takes away from the beauty of pure baseball, a game that needs no changes, or incorporation of any technology, such as but not limited to, Strike zone and Pitch clock”
The game was never played that way back then. We went to the stadiums to watch human be play, not machines which project their images, in beautiful crystal clear HD resolution. They might point out incorrect calls, by umpires and ruin the integrity of the game.
Oh wait.
bluejays12345
The players saying the instant replay system could be better, New York could be a lot faster at deciding the call, the managers should only have 15-20 seconds to decide or hey let’s go back to the old fashioned baseball, where the umps are mostly right. You know that umps are right about 95% of the time according to a study done in 2014. Yes I know that’s three years ago, but that’s not the point. The point is to keep the game the same and don’t add the pitch clock (absolute joke) nor the limitations on mound visits. Which leads me to another point in which you know how last year in the World Series between the dodgers and the Astros. Ya well there were a tone of mound visits, but that’s ok, It’s playoff baseball it’s stressful for the pitchers and everyone on the field and in the dugout. And if someone knows a pitchers scouting report really well and what they might/probably will throw on 2 strikes, then they have an advantage unless the catcher goes out to the mound to discuss it with him and give no sign. Sorry for the long comment. But whoever reads this please respond, because I want to hear your opinion on this
timyanks
teams like the cardinals, that have pitchers that rack up 100 pitches through 5 innings should go to a bullpen only staff. one pitcher per inning
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
I like the pitch clock. They implemented it in the minors about 3 years ago or so and it had a noticeable positive affect. You saw it that year in the bigs too, when there was a call up pitcher he went about his business a lot faster on the mound. I wish they’d all pitch at the rate Sale does.
mbbslam
Comparing the majority of pitchers to the elite pitchers is unfair and sale has never pitched in an important game till this year and maybe he should have taken more time between pitches maybe Sox would have won something
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
The comparison is fair. Every pitcher can choose the speed/rate at which he competes. Talent as a pitcher does not dictate that.
mbbslam
An elite pitcher has 3-5 pitches he commands the majority of pitchers have 1-3 in high pressure situations the most talented pitchers can still find a rhythm the rest who are not as talented and use everything around them to get where they are will struggle mightly under these rules . You have 20 seconds you can’t talk to your catcher runners on base and it’s the 2nd inning already given up 1 run. Yeah right talent does not matter it takes some 2-4 years to make it others 5-10 years to make it and believe me talent matters otherwise you would be or anyone could pitch in the show. Talent matters alot
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
Less options should mean a quicker decision by that logic. But you seem to be arguing the value of talent, which has absolutely nothing to do with the original comparison.
mbbslam
No less option means the hitters find rhythm not the pitcher the point of a less talented pitcher needing more time to collect himself.
iverbure
Stop making excuses, those players will adapt or they won’t make it. No difference from what happens now
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
I wholeheartedly agree with the comment or below. It didn’t hurt the kids in the minors before, it won’t hurt the guys in the majors now. No whining, no excuses, adapt. That’s what baseball is anyway.
LongTimeFan1
How ’bout we send batters of the road team to the plate without bats. This is surely improve pace of play – every game a perfect game for the home team.
I have two words for Manfred. Get lost..
Get your paws off my game. A game clock in baseball is a disgrace and all in the name of greed. Go away.
timyanks
here it is, in red, white and black
baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/misc.shtml
timyanks
stats don’t lie game are 30 plus minutes longer than in 1978. major reason, pitching
LongTimeFan1
If Manfred insists on implementing this disgraceful assault on the game – the players should respond with their own pace of play implementation – A walkout, Boycott, Strike.
No games,
No seconds wasted…..
Problem solved.
iverbure
Try to keep up with real life. The players agreed to this in the CBA!!!
thegreatcerealfamine
Guys like this just go straight to the comments section without bothering to read the article. Trouble is 90% of these commentators either didn’t read it or made up their minds regardless. The players agreed to this and were told a year ago. They have no leg to stand on…
thegreatcerealfamine
Come back in from the ledge already cause none of that can or will happen..
outinleftfield
A strike over Manfred implementing a pitch clock cannot happen, but a strike over any actual penalty such as a ball called can result in a work stoppage. At the very least a complaint to the NLRB without a work stoppage.
Sign all the Cubans
I hope this means the end of Pedro Baez in a Dodgers uniform.
BlueSkyLA
I’ve never been a member of the Pedro Baez Marching and Chowder Society (extra points for knowing the source), but in reality he vastly improved his pitching pace after being sent down to the minors to work on it. I doubt even he’d feel rushed by 20 second pitch clock, which make me wonder who would be. Seems like another solution looking for a problem.
But with a pitch clock, when will Orel find time to talk about his golf game?
Sign all the Cubans
Had to Google the reference, but very clever.
To be fair, his pace did improve, though I did count past 30 a couple of times this past season with a runner on first and no long stare-overs.
I guess I should be more worried about his HR problem in leverage situations than his pace.
And I do agree with you: Pitch clock not necessary. Want to speed the game up? Stop using a ball that jumps so much and put the seams back where they were prior to mid-2016. Then, raise the mound another inch or two.
Poof: 2:30 game durations. Of course, that would cut down on the scoring that a lot of ADD folks want to see and probably kill ratings.
There are very few changes that can be made to the game that won’t have unintended consequences.
BlueSkyLA
Unintended consequences for sure. You mention one of them. How does a pitch clock work with a runner on base? If throwing to a base resets the clock then aren’t we going to see an increase in soft tosses to first from pitchers who want to delay their delivery to the plate? So much for speeding up the pace of play. The other possibly intended consequence is that implementing this rule unilaterally ticks off the MLBPA and becomes a factor in the next round of CBA negotiations. Either way, Rob Manfred is not getting a Christmas card from me next year.
Ah, Vin. Do we miss him enough yet? Can’t imagine either of the blabbermouths they have in the booth now saying a single thing we’d want to remember for five minutes, let alone for years and years.
mbbslam
If the catcher cannot speak to his pitcher there will be more pitchers like darvish in the WS lasting an inning or two leading to more pitching changes leading to more hits leading to more runs leading to 4-5 hour long games that will become the norm teams averaging 8 runs per and 8 pitchers a game
Philthyvogel
They should institute the pitch clock whilst only issuing warnings for the first year
the kutch
Seems to me, Manfred is just trying to leave his fingerprints on the game, any way he can…He wants to shave 5 or 10 minutes off the game??..Seriously, who cares about 5 or 10 minutes??…Most people aren’t even watching the game! They are there for the “atmosphere “…I can’t tell you how many times I see “fans” rocking a players jersey or tee shirt, get up out of their seat, while that player is at bat, to go do whatever they do instead of watching the game….I agree with the earlier comment, start Manfred ‘s clock!!!
MafiaBass
A second trip to the mound in the same inning already necessitates a pitching change, doesn’t it?
start_wearing_purple
Only if the mound visits are from the dugout. I don’t believe there’s a limit on catcher visits.
mbbslam
The dugout same rules as now the catcher would be allowed to only visit the mound once per inning.
start_wearing_purple
I have this great idea to speed up games. Simulate every at bat. The batter walks up to the plate, the umpire presses a button and tells everyone what happened. Seriously, one hour games! The league can even save money by not buying bats, balls, gloves, etc.
GuckTheFiants
I really learned to love baseball by attending a metric f-ton of crappy Angels games in the 80s. My high school buddies and I could sit in the bleachers of that awful dual-purpose stadium for $3.00, which was less than an hour at a minimum wage job. MLB’s attendance problems and inability to reach the youth market don’t stem from the pace of play, they come from the ungodly price to attend a game that prices out 95% of the fans. My wife and I are huge Dodgers fans, but we cut the cable cord years ago, and despite the fact we’re in the top 5% of income earners, we can’t stand to pay the cost of actually attending a regular season game. MLB will continue to shrink until they address the ridiculous cost of attending a game, so that the young fans can afford to go to more than 0-1 games a season. It’s hard to fall in love with a sport that costs $300 a game to watch, and in our market is locked behind a cable subscription for another 20 years.
Otto371
Joel Peralta was the worst in my opinion. He treated every pitch like it was a 3-2 count in the bottom of the 9th of a World Series game 7 with the bases loaded.
MB923
I think some people here are a little confused by the pitch clock rule. It is Not 20 Seconds per pitch thrown. The clock resets once the pitcher begins his motion. I’ve seen this at Minor league games.
There is a small 20 second clock in the OF that counts down once the pitcher 1 – Is on the mound, and 2 – Has the ball. The clock counts down and stops counting the moment a pitcher begins his motion or windup. Some pitchers step off the mound once in awhile when they get the ball back. When they do that , the clock does not countdown. It waits until he gets on the mound and ends once he starts his motion. And we’ve all seen many pitchers start their motion and take a good 5-10 second again to throw the ball.
Just pointing this out there since the pitch count timer is misleading.
VABlitz
If that’s the case then I’m against it. It should be a pitch clock between pitches. Once the pitcher has the ball in his glove, he should have 20-30 seconds to get to the mound and release the ball.
AlexF
The idea of clocks in baseball repulses me. People like Manfred clamor for more offense while also craving a faster game, two attributes which directly oppose each other. Not to mention how much the implementation of replay hinders game speed. However, I have attended hundreds of AA and AAA games since they began testing the pitch clock a couple of years ago and rarely has it ever been enforced. Ultimately, they can disguise this measure as wanting to attract and retain a younger/casual demographic of patrons by speeding up the game, but as always it boils down to money. As a previous poster noted, pace of play isn’t pushing away potential fans, cost of attending games is. With outrageous ticket prices and asinine markup on mediocre concessions, attending an MLB game or any professional sporting event is reserved strictly for the rich. Nevertheless, the measure of implementing a pitch clock will likely be as insignificant as it has been in the upper minors, however it is undoubtedly the next step in pillaging the integrity of the game.
milkman
you can buy SF Giants tickets for less than $10 right now…………eat before you go the game.
tigerdoc616
Pace of play IS an issue, and it is becoming a greater issue over time. Game length even increased 5 minutes this past season despite trying to speed up the game. Replay is only a small problem, and commercial breaks are now only 2 minutes between innings.. The main reason for the slower pace of play is still the dynamic between the pitcher and the hitter. While there have always been guys who tried to slow things down (Mike Hargrove for example) that type of behavior is more the norm now, not the exception. Game time is half an hour longer that it was 30 years ago. It was not until the early 1940’s that the average time of a game exceeded 2 hours.
Time to pick up the pace players, your future paychecks depend on it.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
How about replays that the umpire at the games watch the replays themselves don’t rely on someone else’s eyes potentially 3000 miles away.
The pace of play is fine.
milkman
All this work done to increase the pace of play is basically canceled out by the increased usage of replay review. There needs to be a time limit on the replay! If you can’t figure out the call within 30 seconds it shouldn’t be changed period! The replay wasn’t brought into baseball to see if the player’s shoelace touched the bag before the fielders mit lace nicked the runner’s thread on his jersey. Also, limit the number of catcher visits.
iverbure
I agree and I’m a big fan of replay. Challenge replay was introduced with the idea of teams could challenge if they knew the ump blew the call. Not have 30 second delay to have their replay guy rewind the tape to see if the play is correct. Should be spontaneous if you think it’s a missed called challenge it right away not 30 seconds.
jwarden15
I don’t want the pitch clock. There are some pitchers who do take a long time in between pitches, but they aren’t the majority. Maybe if they stopped having so many commercials, the games wouldn’t take so long
iverbure
Can people please stop saying less commercials. Commercials pay the league which the players get a share of that money. Nobody wants less commercials but the fans and the players have shown for years they are selfish and do what’s best for them instead of the game and the result is now a pitch clock
neoncactus
If they want to shorten games, then stop allowing teams to slow down play to allow relievers more time to warm up. You have an infielder walk to the mound to “talk” to the pitcher, then the catcher comes out to the mound slowly, then he goes out to the mound and finally the manager comes out to get him. Unless they let the pitcher make a few throws to first if a runner’s on to give them even more time.
There are pitchers who work slower than others, but I think giving hitters or pitchers free balls and strikes will impact the game more negatively than a play clock would impact it positively.
cman
I’m okay with this as long as it’s balanced. Eliminate the batter timeouts and stepping out of the box except for equipment failures and injuries, otherwise play ball. Doing that in conjunction with a pitch clock will dramatically speed up the pace of the game. Contrary to the opinion of some posters in this thread If baseball wants to survive the rest of the century and start picking up new viewership they need to shorten game times A LOT. There is absolutely NO reason to have 3 hour ball game with the pace of the sport. I’m sorry that many fans can’t except that, but you can’t ask people to sit in the stand through such a slow paced event for that long, unlike football. It’s absurd!
milkman
The batter stepping out of the box rule is already in place, and guess what, ITS NEVER ENFORCED
Sign all the Cubans
I’ve always been against adding a pitch clock to baseball, but after reading some of the ideas in this thread for “improving” the game, I’ll gladly take the clock rather than let you people fundamentally change baseball.
citizen
Problems are too many pitching changes and the bigger effect of the fear of pitchers blowing out their ucl and needing tommy john surgery. very few, if any cgs any more. burhle could pitch a 9 inning game in 2 hours, no pitching changes, no tjs for him either.
baseballfanforever
I’m a huge baseball fan but honestly the games could be a little quicker. it’s annoying watching pitchers or batters constantly take their mini time outs. I also don’t particularly like all these commercials. I think those could be cut down. I see no problem having a clock for pitchers and batters. Just throw the ball already and stay in the box. There’s no need to constantly step out. I don’t care what your silly pattern is. We don’t come to games to watch guys adjust their gloves or kick dirt off their shoes over and over and over. As far as commercials, there’s no reason why the owners can’t simply charge more for ad space. Just half the time and double the fees. Most fans don’t pay attention to those stupid commercials anyway. if you ask me. By far the best advertising is the banners, stadium naming, and sponsorships like say the “WB Mason Report” or whatever you want to call it. I might even suggest cutting down on time that the relief pitcher can get ready. Give the guy 1 minute to get to the mound and give him 5 pitches then get the batter in the box. With pitchers pitching and batters batting and shorter commercial time I would think they could cut out at least 30-45 minutes right there. Maybe I’m nuts but I’m just throwing things out there off the top of my head so don’t shoot me.
Gibson walkoff
How about making posturing illegal? Players hogging up camera time on the mound and out of the box so they can admire themselves pitch after pitch. It’s disgusting! Get rid of replay. What a time waster that is. Umpires get it right and get it wrong. So what. Is baseball supposed to be perfect? Wasn’t a problem the first 100+ years. Limit incoming relievers to 5 warm up pitches. Please!
milkman
get with the times, old man.
MLBTRS
Dis much? What are you, 12?
noolgnikoms
Bring on the clock. I don’t want a faster game. I only want a game with more game to it. The clock itself will cease to be a distraction within a season or two.
I have no problem with instant replay or how long those situations might take. I also have no problem with reducing the mound visits and number of warm-up pitches. Warm up in the bullpen already. Unless the warm-up is to throw BP to the batter. Fair is fair.
Especially reduce ads and time between innings. Ugh.
Suilebhain
If Manfart implements this I will in no way renew my MLB subscription, even if the Mets are in first place with a 100-0 record.