The Padres’ pursuit of Eric Hosmer has been one of the more surprising storylines of the 2017-18 offseason, and executive chairman Ron Fowler directly acknowledged his team’s pursuit of the longtime Royals star in an interview on the Mighty 1090 Morning Show in San Diego (link with full audio of the interview).
“We’ve had a lot of dialogue on it — [GM A.J. Preller, manager Andy Green and assistant GM Josh Stein] obviously lead the discussions as it relates to players,” said Fowler. “They talked to me probably six months or so ago when they looked at who the free agents would be for 2018. They like him. They like his makeup, they like his leadership in the clubhouse, and obviously they like him as an athlete. We met with him, and he’s a very impressive individual.”
The Padres are reported to have made a seven-year offer to Hosmer and agent Scott Boras, and while word of that offer came in earlier this month, Fowler didn’t suggest that there’ve been any changes to what has been proposed. Moreover, he implied that he’s not exactly comfortable stretching the deal much further. Asked about concerns of paying for too much of a player’s decline phase, Fowler indicated that Boras may have a hard time selling him on a lengthier deal.
“I think you’re taking my side of the discussions I’ve had with [Green, Preller and Stein],” Fowler replied. “They feel that this guy is so focused, he has all of the exercise stuff, all of the elements in place to take care of himself like few players have. He would be 28 in the first year, obviously 34 would be his last year if it’s seven, but I can’t really get into it more than that. But I think we were pretty creative in the way we put a contract proposal together. We like it. I don’t know if Mr. Boras likes it, but that’s probably another story.”
The pursuit of Hosmer is just one of the many elements of the Padres’ offseason that some feel have clashed with the team’s rebuilding direction. In addition to putting forth a (presumed) nine-figure offer to Hosmer, San Diego has also traded a fairly well-regarded pitching prospect (right-hander Enyel De Los Santos) for a one-year rental of Freddy Galvis and taken on the final year of Chase Headley’s contract as a means of landing Bryan Mitchell from the Yankees. Fowler confirmed that Headley trade was almost entirely about Mitchell and stressed that the team is still focused on the development of young talent.
“We still are looking for the young guys to get up here that we either picked through the draft or signed internationally,” he explained. “But A.J. looked at who the pitchers were out there, and some of the guys were getting three-year contracts … [H]e felt that Bryan Mitchell, the guy we got from the Yankees, was worth taking the last year of the contract for Chase. We’re happy that Chase will be here — we think he’ll be here — but it was really for Mitchell that we paid that money, it wasn’t for Chase.”
Fowler went on to add that the team’s preference was to add players that will remain under control for several seasons. While Galvis, of course, does not match that description — he’ll be a free agent next winter — Fowler revealed that he hopes the switch-hitting shortstop can be retained beyond 2018.
“I’m hoping Galvis will be here for more than a year, take some pressure off some of the young guys coming up,” he stated. “…We’re feeling very good about that trade and what he might be able to do for us over the next few years.”
Of course, Fernando Tatis Jr. is widely expected to be the Padres’ shortstop of the future, though the vaunted top prospect isn’t yet ready for the Majors after spending most of 2017 in A-ball. If the team were able to retain Galvis beyond the upcoming season, it wouldn’t necessarily indicate a change of plans as pertains to Tatis, however; Galvis could provide some reasonably priced insurance and could potentially see time at other positions. That could further a current “problem” the organization is facing, which Fowler described as having “too many people at second and third right now” before noting that the logjam would likely work itself out.
The Padres have already traded Yangervis Solarte to the Blue Jays, but they still have Carlos Asuaje, Cory Spangenberg and Headley as options that figure to be on the 25-man roster come Opening Day, while Allen Cordoba, Tatis and Luis Urias loom in the minors.
The interview with Fowler covers considerably more topics, ranging from the team’s recent hiring of former Fangraphs managing editor Dave Cameron, to the team’s uniforms and their failed pursuit of Shohei Ohtani. (Fowler reveals that Preller began the team’s presentation to Ohtani by speaking in Japanese for the first five minutes or so and expresses immense pride for the work his team put into that pursuit.) The San Diego chairman also weighs in on the stalled free agent market, suggesting a belief that the luxury tax and a number of players whose asking prices are simply “really beyond their value” have combined to grind free agency to a halt.
Suffice it to say, the 16-minute interview is packed with topics that’ll be of interest not only to Padres fans but to baseball and hot stove fans in general. It’s well worth a full listen.
Third paragraph, first sentence…you mean Padres’ not Yankees’ but awesome piece
D’oh. Thank you. Updated.
What a horribly run organizatization. Glad the Royals finally won again and the Padres could take over as the embarrassment of MLB.
Embassassment??? I think you’re thinking of the Orioles. The Padres finally have an ownership that is sticking to a plan and not one that involves making money solely…
Perhaps when the padres have a successful stretch as the O’s did the last few years you could say that. Maybe the Reds are the team you’re looking for.
The Reds have also won World Series and been in the playoffs … they’re in a rebuild but they’re not horribly run
Reds are atrociously run.
Padre fan calling out another team! You learn that in chat room being entrenched!
hurrrrr da durrrrr
*fart noises*
How? They’re set up to be competitive in the future with their great farm and young talent
at least they have a plan going, cant say the same for a decent number of the mlb’s teams
They’re getting an infusion of fangraphs brains, so that has to help.
It’s odd the Orioles and Marlins don’t exist in your world apparently. LOL
Lol. It’s easy to take a shot at the orioles but the padres haven’t fielded a competitive team in 12 years. It’ll be at least 14 until you see a team in the playoffs in San Diego. Lets see your all prospect team have some success first.
And we easily won’t see the Orioles in the postseason for another decade or so. At least the Padres have young controllable pieces that can only get better. The orioles have Mark Trumbo on the other hand.
The Padres contending in 2020 isn’t at all past likelihood. How are the Orioles supposed to make it back to contention? By holding onto Machado in some desperate attempt to contend this year only to lose him for nothing but a comp pick?
Maybe so but that would put them exactly where the padres are right now. A bit early to hear trash talk from a padres fan.
That would be 14 years since your last postseason birth. Are you not counting those years? I’ll be willing to bet the birds can manage to find their way into the postseason in the next 14. Let’s see some success before the talking starts.
Let’s see some success from the Orioles too.
We won a ton of games over the previous 5 year stretch. That’s some success. It didn’t work out and we have obviously problems as an organization but it’s funny to hear a padres fan talk about how great they are. 12 years of garbage is nothing to be proud of. I’ve seen plenty of that in Baltimore and I certainly wasn’t saying anything before we started winning any games.
“Horribly run organization”
I mean, Orioles dont do IFA at all, have chris davis, mark trumbo, their farm is a mess, theyre holding onto their best trade chips in machado jones and wont compete this year, last year of their deals.
I mean theyve also traded some pretty significant pieces in deals. Only real piece padres could of used was trea turner.
Its not talking trash. The orioles are currently more horribly ran than the padres.
Padres went the way of the astros and cubs. Ifa, rebuild draft. Orioles gave chris davis that contract and mark trumbo.
Orioles, Royals and Marlins will go the longest between right now and their next postseason appearances. It has been written.
Actually in 2010, we missed the playoffs by one game, so, again, you’re wrong
Padre fan and resident know it all calling out Orioles now lol. Orioles have made post season 12,14, and 16. Padres last made 06 pipe down
“More horribly ran” ok lol
And Matt Holiday still has not touchéd home plate.
No actually the Royals will make it back to the playoffs first. Followed by Baltimore. Miami will take around 5 years. Still sooner than San Diego will make it back.
At least the orioles have been good for the last 7 years or so.
Armchair GM-I am an Orioles fan, and I completely agree about the IFA situation. But I think it is smart to wait on Machado until the deadline if all we can get back is Brandon Drury from the Diamondbacks. The Orioles have had success recently, and even though their window will close very soon, the Padres’ window has not been opened in over a decade.
I do think it will open soon though, as Preller has been making good moves as of late. Their farm system is top 3 in the league, they just have to put it all together like the Orioles did in 2011 and 2012. The Orioles didn’t win in their run, but 30 teams can’t all win a WS in 5 years.
touché
I don’t see anyway the orioles and D-Backs can line up on a machado deal. They don’t want to move Jake lamb and they have a bad farm system.
Hey, The O’s also have Chris Davis, Schoop, Beckham, and not much else after this year.
@cubsfan2489 obviously no one can say for sure what will happen but what gives you that idea? What do the Royals, Orioles and Marlins have that the Padres don’t have?
Don’t downvote, answer the question. What do those three teams have that the Padres don’t have?
How would that put them exactly where the Padres are? Padres have a top 3 farm system and one of the clearest long term payroll outlooks in MLB. Orioles owe a bunch of money to Chris Davis and Mark Trumbo and their farm system is Chance Sisco, Austin Hays and then 50 feet of crap. There is no comparison.
How am I downvoting? I was at work otherwise I’d answer your question. What do those teams have that the Padres don’t? They have a front office without Preller in it. Until he leaves San Diego, they won’t win a thing.
Ah, so you say this because you don’t like Preller and not because of the state of their farm system or their payroll outlook. I get it now.
Anyway, while they may have front offices without Preller in them, is having a front office with Dan Duquette or Michael Hill in it REALLY much better?
Yes actually it is. It doesn’t matter what their farm looks like, nor their payroll. Preller has done absolutely nothing (aside from trading Turner away for a joke of a return) to warrant any hope for the San Diego organization. I’m sorry you’re biased and can’t see past that. Seriously kid, what have they done in your lifetime to give you hope as a Pads fan? They’ve been an absolute mess since Preller took over. Maybe it’s time to root for a different team? You have both LA teams and San Fran. All teams that have done something in recent years, unlike San Diego.
You’re delusional cubsfan. Preller has to make trades due to being a small market team. Yes, he made a bad one in Turner, but it doesn’t really matter as Turner will be replaced by Tatis or Arias by the time we are competing. A rebuild is a rebuild. It takes years. If you knew anything about our organization, you’d know that we’ve have 3 owners in the last 10 years. 2015 want Prellers decision to go all in anyways, and most of his trades have worked out. Every GM swings and misses, but Myers is not a bust by any means. Turner is good, but we haven’t seen much yet. Our farm is the deepest in the league, and he’s only been building it for 3 years taking it from bottom 3 to top 3. How did we even have a bottom 3 when all we did was trade our best players for prospects. Our team was ran horribly, and now we have a good core of young, ML players in Margot, Renfroe, Hedges, Lamet, Perdomo, Hand and Myers. We have 2 prospects who will be in the top 5-15 in Gore and Tatis, plus another 2-3 pitchers in top 50 in Baez, Quantrill and Morejon, and another couple Pitchers around top 100. Not to mention payroll flexibility. We could easily sign Hosmer, and trade for Yelich, and sign Kuechel next year. You should know better being a Cubs fan how this all works, buddy. But continue to sound ignorant. As a Padre fan, I’m excited for the future.
I’m not the biggest Preller fan, but he’s no worse than Dan Duquette, Michael HIll, Walt Jocketty or Dave Stewart. Having a strong farm and clear payroll outlook does matter. That is how your Cubs and the recent World Series champion Astros succeeded, by building the farm and clearing bad contracts. Not biased, just understand what’s going on here. The Padres were a mess long before Preller took over. I will never root for a different team.
PS: What you are saying about Preller I guarantee others were saying about Theo and Co 4 years ago.
I guarantee that they weren’t. And yes having those things matter. However, Preller has shown nothing for anyone to put faith in him for. I just think he’s a joke and San Diego would be a lot better off with other candidates.
They were. Anyway, Preller has built a farm system that ranks anywhere from #1 to #4 in MLB depending on who you ask. I am not his biggest fan as he has made just as many bad moves as good and most of his bad moves were bad in a “Why did you think that would work?” kind of way as opposed to just looking bad in hindsight. My advice to him would be to be patient and trust the process. Worked for the Cubs and Astros, will work for the Padres.
If you think now is bad, look into the Moorad years and Moores 2.0. Bud Selig is also to blame for allowing Moorad to buy the team on a 5 year payment plan with no intention of ever finalizing the deal and forcing another sale in year 4. Did I mention the second time the team sold in 4 years the same seller took off with a siazable chuck of the TV contract going out the door.
Trust me, Padres fans are familiar will poorly run franchises and what the Seidlers and AJ/ crew are doing isn’t it.
How’d that masterful trade KC made with SD last season?
This is the first time in decades this organization has been run correctly. Keep it up AJ!
Stop being an idiot. Feel free to make an opinionated post – but be able to back it up or you’re no different than CNN. Fake news. fake post. Big idiot
It’s Trump’s fault
If all goes as projected, SD will finish last in their division & possibly the NL. Preller was hired on July of 2014, that is, almost four years ago. Why do the owners keep believing in him? He had everyone’s dream job of assembling a winning team with the liberty to decide & the support to spend money, the results are in front of them…
Preller was hired on August of 2014, near the end of the regular season, so technically you can’t blame him for that season when he wouldn’t get a chance to make any moves month after he got the job. In 2015 he made a big statement by aquiring players such at Matt Kemp, Justin Upton, Wil Myers, James Shields and Craig Kimbrel. The biggest trade fail was arguably trading Treat Turner, but we still ended up getting Wil Myers. It wasn’t his fault that the team didn’t perform the way they were expected to. The year after he made a full rebuild in which we acquired players such as Manuel Margot in the Kimbrel trade, Fernando Tatis in the James Shields Trade, and Anderson Espinoza in the Pomeranz trade just to name a few. A rebuild takes up years, and the results of a rebuild are obviously not going to be good in the beginning. Just like at teams like the Astros, Cubs, and Royals when they were rebuilding. This is barely the beginning of the third year of his rebuild and now we’ll start seeing more improvements now that Manuel Margot, Austin Hedges and Hunter Renfroe are going on their second year in the Majors and we might even get to see a couple other prospects go up in the majors. If I was the owner, I would have faith in him, and I’m sure many Padres fans have faith in him. San Diego is very lucky to have him as a General Manager.
Ended up getting Myers? He stinks!
Myers is a good defensive player that hits for power, has speed and can get on base. He still needs to improve hitting for contact, but I wouldn’t consider a player with a 2.1 WAR garbage on a down season
Good defender that’s why they are in on Hosmer
Myers was a finalist for good glove in 2016, his first year playing there. He regressed last year due to him being lazy. He came up as a catcher, so his defensive skills are way above average. He can even play third,and all OF positions.
Well, to me giving up Grandal in order to acquire Kemp was even worse than dealing Trea Turner, Joe Ross and more.
when in baseball does everything go as projected? nobody expected the brewers to win as many games as they did last year… the fact preller learned enough Japanese to actual make a pitch to ohtani is pretty impressive. some fans are impatient but it’s clear the padres are headed in the right direction. whether it works out for them, well weel see.
Why do people keep believing in him?
Here is what preller has traded:
Trea Turner, Joe Ross (bust), Zach Eflin (bust), Matt Wisler (bust), Jace Peterson (bust), Rj Alvarez (bust), Jordan Paroubeck (bust), Jesse Hahn (damaged goods),
Turned Yonder Alonso into Drew Pomeranz into Anderson Espinoza (top 70 prospect, 20 at time of trade), also netted Jose Torres and his big fastball.
Turned Derrick Norris into Pedro Avila
Turned James Shields into Fernando Tatis Jr (top 50 prospect now)
Turned Cameron Maybin, Carlos Quentin, Matt Wisler, Jordan Paroubeck, and a pick that turned into Austin Riley for Kimbrel and Melvin Upton Jr who he turned into Margot, Allen, Guerra, Asuaje (kimbrel) and hansel rodriguez (upton).
Turned Seth Smith into Brandon Maurer that he dealt in a deal to yield Matt Strahm and Esteury Ruiz (1 year of smith for maurer for more team control over strahm and ruiz).
Traded Alex Torres (bust) for Brad Wieck and Cory Mazzoni (bust)
Stole Pirela from the Yankees for Ronald Herrera
Oh and Preller has overseen Brad Hand going from waiver claim into elite reliever.
Oh and he turned an overrated farm into a top 3 farm in all of MLB finding gems in Luis Urias, Michael Baez, Arias (who some are higher on than Tatis Jr), in his area of expertise (ifa) along with Morejon and Ona
Trea Turner and Matt Kemp are his only blimps as GM,
Finally, he has extended Solarte and Hand to superb team friendly contract extensions.
He will get an immense haul for Hand and would have yielded even more results from trades had Jon Jay not broken his hand his 1 year in San Diego.
Gotta admit I haven’t followed his moves that closely and that’s a better track record than I thought he had.
eastvillagetimes.com/2017/02/every-j-preller-trade…
“Trea Turner and Matt Kemp are his only blimps as GM”
You forgot the Justin Upton trade (and not trading him for Michael Fulmer when it was offered), trading Jedd Gyorko and eating some of his contract for no return, trading Enyel de los Santos for a rental during a rebuilding year and even though Kimbrel and Shields got good returns, it was Preller who overpaid to get them in the first place.
I honestly believe that they are going to try and extend Galvis, so it really wouldn’t be a rental.
Overpaid on Kimbrel? We have up Matt Wisler, Cameron Maybin, Carlos Quentin, Jordan Paroubeck and a pick,,,,,thats not an overpay,,,,,,
Also, shields was paid below market value at the time, Performed way below his contract, which Preller was able to get out from under and netted a top 50 prospect in the process.
Michael Fulmer was a gamble by preller. Preller opted to go with the QO pick instead because it boosted the teams overall pool allotment, which I am sure you know a. makes it easier to sign over slot deals and b.. increases how much a team is allowed to go over. Padres picked 8th that year, but had like the 4th best money available to sign draft picks baseballamerica.com/draft/2016-mlb-draft-internati…
Quantril, Lawson, and Thompson received over slot deals that year. And Preller saved 1 million on the comp balance pick he netted from Upton by selecting Hudson Potts. Preller opted to go with the draft bonus. We will see how that decision pans out because none of the 2016 draft class has made it to the majors yet or washed out.
mymlbdraft.com/2016-draft/mlb-draft-results/round-…
Jon Jay would have fetched a decent return had he not broken his hand, whom preller traded Gyorko for. Not sure how you can hold Preller accountable for Jay breaking his hand by getting hit by a pitch……..damnit Preller why did you trade Gyorko for a useful trade chip that would break his hand! WHY!
Preller is taking a gamble on de los Santos for Galvis. Much like he took a gamble on Jon Jay in a Gyorko return. We will see if his gamble pays off. All it takes is for a ss on a contender to go down and teams call preller about galvis
You forgot the fact that we took on Melvin Upton’s toxic contract in the Kimbrel trade. Several things had to break the right way for that to work out for us.
How was Shields paid below market value? Preller outbid everyone else for him in free agency. No one else was willing to go 4 years on him.
There is no way that the extra draft pick was worth more than Michael Fulmer at the time. We would have been able to afford to sign everyone even without that pick and the Tigers wouldn’t trade Fulmer for Quantrill, Lawson and Thompson right now.
He sold low on Gyorko. No two ways about that. Cards would be able to trade him without eating any money now.
Even if a shortstop on a contender goes down I don’t see the return being much better than DLS. Pretty much all downside with no upside there.
0 for 5. Pity.
@tylerall5 you forget to turn off the “force extension” setting on MLB The Show again?
Impressive. Everything you said in that post was completely wrong.
All that time you spent typing and you proved nothing. You did indeed go 0 for 5 ryan as you disproved nothing that I said. Impressive. Takes a lot of skill to type that much, disprove nothing, and think youve won an argument LOL. I can see why your comments get downvoted as much as they do. Living up to the expectations.
Just going to make this short since long posts seem to confuse you.
1. “Preller got lucky wah melvin upton jr” ok. Still won the trade of getting more than he gave up AND melvin upton jr actually produced in a padres uniform.
2. Shield took less money to come to SD. sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/sdut-giants… giants had larger offer. Wow. Cant believe you missed that one.
3. Quantril is a top 50 prospect, and Lawson and Thompson werent the only 3 to get above market deals. “Michael Fulmer wah”, well, if quantril lives up to his billing and thompson lawson and the other overslot deals live up then it becomes worth more than fulmer. Also, if quantril becomes fulmer its even at that point and anything else pushes the decision in prellers favor.
4. Cards still have to eat money on gyorko. Why cause he hits homers? Lol gyorko is owed 9 mill, 13 mill, 13 mill. Wanna know what zach cosart got? Less than 13 mill a year and is better defensively, also strikes out less the gyorko and is coming off a 5 WAR season. Cardinals would still need to eat money. Esp on the 13 mill and 13 mill, unless they get nothing in return in a salary dump. Market isnt ripe for gyorko to have value at his contract. Nice try.
5. A gamble is a gamble. Its not a guarantee. And your analysis is exactly why you arent a gm.
Dude that line is getting old. Also, there is no “force extension” setting on the show. Surprised you don’t know that. Trades yes. Also, that line is getting old. Kinda like you, not respecting people’s opinions.
Man, youve must of made a lot of enemies however long youve been on here if youre paranoid LOL. No idea who that user is. Never seen them on here.
End of the day we dont know how the fulmer vs. 2016 draft class will work out until it actually does. Saying preller made a mistake is narrow minded because we havent seen what quantril and the rest have become. End of story. We can judge the decision once their careers are over and if the padres receive more value from the 2016 draft picks that benefitted from the decision vs what fulmer provides in his career then preller made the right decision.
For someone who is against dealing prospects that will contribute you seem to be contradicting yourself devaluing quantril as much as you are. Fix your hypocrisy then get back to me when you can make a coherent argument based on facts not what you think is best and whatd youd do as gm.
You have to look at Prellers “all in” for international signees – $70+ million. He made this rare move the absolute last year it could be done. The team is so stocked with young talent they had to add a 2nd AZL team to handle them all. Some of them are a year or 2 away from a big league look but most are 4 or more years away. The Padres are being built to last with a very long and deep pipeline of talent.
Plus De Los Santos would end up in our bullpen or traded at a meter date anyway.
He’s good…..but he’s like 12-15th on our depth chart at the position.
The Mets turned down the trade for Upton. amazinavenue.com/2015/7/25/9039631/mets-trade-rumo…
Good call when the owner of the team says that is what they are going to try to do. Enyel is a middle reliever, so no matter what happens it was worth the risk. Galvis defense will contribute more to the development of the young ground ball pitchers in SD already and coming up this year than any amount of Enyel in the Padres bullpen would have contributed.
You can’t simultaneously dismiss the potential future value of Ross/Eflin/Wisler/Hahn AND say we’ll evaluate the 2016 draft class “when their careers are over.”
I mean, you can, but you look like an idiot if you do.
since being traded hahn, ross, eflin, wisler have been busts at the mlb level. ross eflin wisler were all top 100 prospects at one point and have been either ineffective or derailed by injuries for their teams.
saying wait and see on prospects working through the minors is way different then labeling pitchers that have produced underwhelming results or have serious injury concerns.
Ross/Eflin/Hahn/Wisler could be salvaged, but what theyve shown at the MLB level doesn’t bode well for their future. You don’t suddenly overcome injuries that derail careers as often as you’d like.
Matt Wisler- era+ of 77, FIP 4.92, 6.3 k/9, 3.1 bb/9
Zach Eflin- era+ pf 73, 5.79 FIP, 4.7 k/9, 2.0 bb/9
Joe Ross- era+ of 107 , FIP of 3.90 , 8.1 k/9, 2.5 bb/9 (Ross while effective has been derailed by serious shoulder troubles)
Jesse Hahn- era+ of 93, FIP 3.85, 6.7 k/9, 3.2 bb/9 (like ross Hahn has dealt with his own injury issues since arriving in oakland)
So, you’re not anticipating any performance from Quantrill given his injury history?
I did know that but the line works and I am going to keep using it every some someone on here says that a team should “just extend” this guy or that guy.
That user is you. You say all the same things and have the exact same attitude. You can stop lying now 🙂
What we do know is that Fulmer was a first round draft pick and was a top 100 prospect in baseball at the time when Preller was offered him for Upton. We also know that because Upton was a free agent, the Padres weren’t contending and he wasn’t taking an extension, the only value he represented to the Padres was the value of that draft pick. Fulmer was easily more valuable than a measly draft pick at the time and has since gone on to prove that. It was a HUGE mistake. And Quantrill’s performance won’t change that because we didn’t draft Quantrill with the pick we got for Upton, we drafted Lauer with that pick. We would have been able to sign Quantrill even without that extra bonus pool money. The money would have come from someone further down the chain.
Also, I love how you are saying we can give hindsight scouting to all those players we drafted but not to Fulmer. With hindsight, that decision looks even worse.
Bottom line, we couldn’t get Fulmer for Quantrill, Thompson and Lawson right now so even if your argument made any sense, it would be wrong. I’m not devaluing Quantrill, you are devaluing Michael Fulmer and have some delusional idea that trading for him would have stopped us from being able to afford anyone in the draft.
Mets offered Fulmer for Upton straight up and Preller said no.
mlbtraderumors.com/2015/08/justin-upton-michael-fu…
I’d MUCH rather have a cheap, controllable reliever than one year of Galvis when we aren’t contending and anyone with even half a brain would agree with me.
@WatermelonMtnScout Galvis will contribute NOTHING to the next good Padres team! NOTHING! Even if DLS is a reliever at least he was controllable long enough to still be here when the Padres were good. Clearly not worth the risk.
And let’s look at what the players we got back in those trades have done
Matt Wisler – was in the Kimbrel trade. That trade was pointless to begin with even though Preller was later able to flip Kimbrel for better prospects. But we still had to pay all but $5m of Melvin Upton’s toxic contract.
Zach Eflin – was in the Kemp trade. Easily Preller’s worst trade as a GM. Would have been better off just releasing Eflin
Joe Ross -was in the Myers trade. Trea Turner alone makes that trade a loss for the Padres. THEN consider he gave up Ross and Bauers
Jesse Hahn – traded for a declining Derek Norris who was then traded for Pedro Avila who has never pitched above High A and I think he is Rule 5 eligible next offseason
Quantril- minor league pitcher.
Wisler, Hahn, Ross, Eflin- mlb pitchers.
Not sure how I can make this more clear as to why quantril (a top 50 prospect) isnt a bust because we havent seen what he has done in the majors while eflin wisler have been busts this far and hahn and ross have been damaged goods.
Quantril could turn into a bust who knows. He isnt in the majors yet. Hard to call a top 50 prospect a bust.
Wisler and Eflin are still young enough to turn it around and something like 85% of pitchers who get TJS make it back so Joe Ross isn’t a sunk cost just yet.
Anyway, your argument makes no sense cuz we didn’t have to trade those guys to get Quantrill. They were traded to get Kimbrel, Kemp, Myers and Norris. Kemp and Myers trades were disasters, Kimbrel worked out due to dumb luck and Hahn > Avila.
Not trading Upton, or even Chacin for that matter, it wasn’t a matter of getting better value, it was a statement that you need to meet the price in order to get what you need. Not getting Fulmer obviously failed, hindsight is 20/20. But you fail to realize that maybe that same posturing is what allowed Preller to do other good trades like the Kimbrel deal. You state with confidence that you would have traded Upton for Fullmer, but maybe you would have dealt Kimbrel to the yankees for peanuts as well. Would Preller have gotten such a deal with the Red Sox if they knew that you can walk all over him? Maybe, maybe not, we don’t know.
So it’s only injuries sustained at the big league level that are signs of being damaged goods? Because Ross, Hahn and Quantrill have had the exact same number of Tommy John surgeries,
1. No we didnt draft laurer with the pick. We drafted hudson potts- literally posted a link showing that the 24th pick was comp from justim upton. Heres the link again. Its sad and pathetic I have to post this link a 2nd time.
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Upton signed around jan 18th. Kennedy signed around jan 29th about a week later…..meaning the upton comp pick came before the Kennedy pick. Do we need to revisit counting?
2. My god, your literacy skills are just as awful as your baseball knowledge. Quantril, thompson, lawson and others received over slot deals…..meaning preller signed them for more money then their slot value. Where did he get the extra money? He saved money on the comp pick he received for justin upton that went towards paying them extra……go look at the link and heres a link showing the justin upton comp balance pick saved $1mill sportsday.dallasnews.com/high-school/high-schools/…
3. Again, youre over here crying like a girl about fulmer…..whats wrong with saying wait and see what decision was the right decision? Nothing. Youre jusy being a child cause nobody likes your opinion.
4. Still no idea who youre talking about. People have similar opinions on many baseball topics. Ive agreed and disagreed with many people. Me agreeing doesnt mean its the same account. Again. Paranoid. But whoever they are, theyve must of schooled you big time if you are this caught up about their opinions being similar to mine. Guess every republican and democrat must be the same person using thousand of fb accounts to like their own comment. Apparently nobody thinks alike in ryans world.
My god what a ridiculous suggestion! Fulmer wasn’t even hindsight. The only value Justin Upton represented to the Padres at that point was the draft pick. No way Fulmer had less value than that! Not even at the time.
Not taking the Upton-Fulmer trade had ZERO, let me repeat, ZERO effect on the offers he got for Kimbrel. It doesn’t show teams they can walk over Preller at all. If Preller had taken the Fulmer trade and DD tried to lowball Preller for Kimbrel you know what would have happened? Red Sox wouldn’t have gotten their elite closer.
No I would not have traded Kimbrel to the Yankees because he had three more years of control after that year. Preller could afford to wait on him. He couldn’t afford to do it on Upton. Two completely different situations. Don’t even think about comparing the two.
Top 50 prospect vs. Bad pitchers and injured pitchers not contributing to the mlb team while wasting service time on the DL. Players still get service time while on the DL on the ML roster.
Jesse Hahn and Joe Ross still gain service time. Meaning if they continue being injured doesnt really matter how good they are. 18 starts a year from hahn is about 3/5 a season meaning theyre wasting 2/5 on his clock each year. Same with ross and however many starts he can make. 2/5 over next 4 years is over a year wasted just on DL stints. Id call that damaged goods if youre losing a full year or two worth of service time due to injuries. Minor league dl doesnt work that way.
1. Lol so that’s the argument you choose to go with? Pointing out that I got the order of the back-to-back comp picks mixed up? Whatever, we still didn’t draft Quantrill with either of those picks.
2. I did know that but it’s not like taking the trade would have stopped us from drafting all those guys, maybe just Lawson, which wouldn’t have been a loss and getting Fulmer would have been worth it.
3. Let’s think for a second, which I know is hard for you Padres Armchair GM, but try. What is worth more: a top 100 prospect in baseball or a pick in the mid 20’s in the upcoming draft? Most everyone would say the prospect. And that prospect has since gone on to prove me right. You say that nobody likes my opinion but on this site alone, at least a dozen commenters have seconded my notion that not taking that trade was stupid.
4. You didn’t school me at all, you hooted and hollered over and over again about the same flawed ideas that I debunked left and right. Remember when you said that the rebuilding Phillies should trade for James Shields? Yeah, that made tons of sense just like everything else you say Padres Armchair GM LOL!
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Which of Joe Ross or Jesse Hahn was traded for a top 50 prospect?
So Preller lost out on Fulmer for nothing but a lousy draft pick but at least he still has his dignity? Congratz I guess….
The real loser was the Mets, who didn’t win the 2015 world series, and didn’t even keep Fulmer. Your arguments are just cherry picking, I see why most people just choose to ignore you.
I mean, you are never going to win a trade like that in the long-term. The Mets needed a slugger for their playoff drive and Cespedes was everything they wanted and more in 2015. The process behind that move was good. The Padres’ process behind not trading for Fulmer was not good.
Actually, this is bigh52334. Changed my username a while back and that’s not my account LOL. I have made several accounts, but that indeed is not one of them.
I don’t usually post anyone, just downvote Ryan’s comments just to make him paranoid. Which seems to have worked haha. Ah man. He’s still getting schooled by people and completely unaware of such. Classic.
Anyways keep up the good work Padres armchair gm.
Dude…. you serious posted a link where you said LOL.
“Fulmer or Anderson should be able to get it done if the Padres eat some of Shields contract. The bigger issue is the opt out because the Sox don’t know if they’re trading for one year of Shields or three years.”
God, white sox would of hung the phone up on you jesus.
Ah, so you admit it. You are probably also mrpadre19, bringinthereliefpitcher, DeadliestCatch AND Padres Armchair GM. All people who I have taken to school and back multiple times in the past but you have your head too far up your ass to realize it. Mods, ban the dupes.
I remember that. I was making fun of the people who defended Preller trading Turner for Myers on the grounds that Turner was “unproven.” Anyway, it’s starting to look like Tatis might be better than either of Fulmer or Anderson.
OkDeadliest catch and bringintherelief yes.
The other two no. Idk who they are. But it’s hilarious they annoy you the same ha.
lso schooled_ why he or she has double digit votes upvotes and you have double digit dislikes. lol.
Ha! I knew it. How’s Chapman taking an extension from the Cubs and not getting an AAV greater than $15m a year going for you buddy?
Oh and trading for Kemp was still terrible.
Same as you thinking he’d get 20 a year.
I was right on total he’d get, though differently calculated. You were way off on that one. Also, 16-18 mill in total money, 15 only guaranteed. Still not 20 lol.
Kinda creepy he’s brining up an argument im guessing happened like 3 years ago. Since chapman was a cub for half a season.
Well this thread got awkward. Get a room or something. Take a walk down lovers lane or something.
You know, I admire your delusion bro. Most people in your position would say “Ok. I lost. I give up.” But you? Well you just keep trying. You’re like the Middle East. Always killing the guy in change and then saying “Yeah, this new guy’s gonna get it right.”
I never said Chapman would get 20. Said he had a chance to get 20 and even if he didn’t he’d get more on the open market than he would from an extension with the Cubs. And you were dead wrong on the total he’d get. You said he wouldn’t get an AAV greater than $15m but he did. You said he wouldn’t top $70m but he did. By $16m in fact. AND he got an opt out after three years so if he thinks he has one more big contract in him he has the right (but certainly not the obligation) to go after it.
Checkmate.
Have a “chance” to get 20
Semantics are cute. You were wrong. Didn’t even come close to 20 a year. Hell had a better “chance” of freezing over.
Marlins offered him 5 years $92m. Only $8m off of $100m which would have been a $20m AAV. When you’re making that much money $8m isn’t THAT big of a difference. I was certainly closer to the truth than you were and he still made the right call in waiting out free agency. It also goes to show that trading a player doesn’t bar you from signing him later on.
What did he wind up getting /accepting. 15 mill a year.
Also, 5 over 92 is 18.4 aav. I said he’d get a total somewhere in 16 to 18 range.
Checkmate. Deal with it man. You were wrong.
Daddy still let you drive the car down the drive way on Sunday mornings Ryan?
Still not 20 mill. Man you’re getting worked up. That’s great.
The joker of mlbtraderumors our very own village idiot is getting worked up. Cute.
Also, man, looking through old posts you’ve been so much more wrong then I was lol. Ah man. How do I miss those pathetic posts. Alright man. Hope you enjoy Ryan’s greatest hits. Just gonna happen randomly. It’ll be great.
Anyways us adults have work tomorrow. Don’t stay up too late now Ryan.
And still way more than $12-14m
Don’t talk about yourself that way.
No one on here has been more wrong than you. Not even Pads Fans and his dupes. Do you have a bunch of different accounts because after a few months of being wrong on one account no one takes you seriously anymore? Is that it? Those of us who actually know what we are talking about don’t have to worry about such things.
I’m literally in graduate school. You on the other hand probably flunked the entrance exams for middle school LOL!
You can’t hang with the big dogs MathTeacherSDSUAlumni619, stay on the porch.
Gender studies has a masters / phd program? Huh, puts my masters in biology to shame.
LOL you just proved that you and the other guy ARE the same person, as if we really needed more proof. And nice try but I am studying statistics.
Proved we are cause I replied to you saying youre in graduate school? Wow.
Also biology =/= math teacher. Going to go out on a limb and say the person is a math teacher who graduated from sdsu.
You continued his argument for him. And I’m thinking MathTeacherSDSUAlumni619 is just a screen name. No way that guy is smart enough to graduate from any college.
LOL yeah, still not the same person man.
It was a joke/jab. Dont go all paranoid conspiracy theorist cause of a joke.
Taking a jab at your degree isnt continuing an argument…….because its not an argument to continue.
Your whole premise is- youre the same cause they made fun me and you made fun of me must be the same person…..
Ryan. Everyone makes fun of you on here. Outinleft mrpadre padresforlife this dude me.
Think someone in college would notice that slight detail. Yikes.
“Your whole premise is- youre the same cause they made fun me and you made fun of me must be the same person…..
Ryan. Everyone makes fun of you on here. Outinleft mrpadre padresforlife this dude me.”
HA!
No my premise is you guys are the same person because you made about a dozen of the same arguments and have the same attitude. Anyway, padreforlife doesn’t have the mental capacity to make fun of anyone.
Lol dude, 10+ people liked my comments. While yours got downvoted about 10+ times.
Clearly theres more people that think like me and the teacher then they do like you.
Again, everyone makes fun of you man. Pretty much every user youve gotten in an argument with has made fun of you since I joined last year.
Not the same person. They even admitted to what accounts they have.
And plenty he doesn’t even know about.
Gonna keep it that way.
Seriously, though. Idk who the gm is or mrpadre.
You and your many backup accounts upvoted your comments and downvotes mine. Admitting to some but not all of them to throw off suspicion is the oldest trick in the book. You still don’t have the ability to make fun of me.
Do you just not realize that using a bunch of different accounts makes you look completely pathetic? If you had actual good arguments to make one account would be enough.
Yeah, he does kinda have a point there man. Hate to admit it but if youre abusing the up n down like vote not cool. Should only be used based on merit of the argument.
Psh, please. I’ll downvote him once. He isn’t worth logging into the other accounts to continually downvote his stupidity.
Hahaha. MY stupidity? Look in a mirror buddy.
See it’s fun messing with people like Ryan.
Literally I downvote him and he goes off on another user.
“Don’t downvote, answer the question. What do those three teams have that the Padres don’t have?” Said Ryan.
Lol. Only reason I’m admitting to this is watching him make enemies because I downvote him and he flies off the handle throwing hissy fit is getting repetitive.
Now he won’t know it’s me or someone he’s arguing with. Results should be great.
Boo this man!
^theres Mr Padres Ryan get em!
I long suspected it to be you. Ngl it’s pretty pathetic stalking someone and downvoting all their comments, but your patheticness was proven long before you did that.
1. Chat room
2. Entrenched
3. Downvote
Graduate school ha
U mad bro?
U downs bro?
Turner is a big blip. And let’s not forget his suspension – his rep has been damaged along with trusting him.
No it hasn’t.
Um, other GMs still make trades with him. Rep is just fine, thank you
But I will bet they are much more careful, and he’s probably not the first team on their speed dials. When you only have 29 teams to work with, you have to work with all of them.
Take a look at what happened in their organization after Preller’s suspension. Mike Dee was fired and Preller was promoted and given all of Dee’s baseball operations duties. Doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure who was responsible for that debacle.
They should be more careful no matter who they are trading with. He can work with all 29 other teams.
Espinoza is bust so far can’t stay healthy and getting haul for Hand? Can he s tay healthy and do it again before you anoint him he’s had 2 good years not quite Andrew Miller yet
Probably should let Espinoza actually heal and pitch again before calling him a bust.
He’s hardly the first….or last pitching prospect to get surgery.
Might be right but how many homegrown pitchers Red Sox produce? Starters that is Babe Ruth, John Lester, can’t name others
Mods pls ban
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Please ban, PLEASE.
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Why should they ban mrpadre19?
Well written summary. Every GM has moves they wish they didn’t make but Preller has done well overall. Still needs the young talent to spin off winning record, playoffs, etc before giving final grade though.
Very well written summary. I live in San Diego and have been a die hard fan since I was a kid. There hasn’t been an excitement for the product since 98′ when we were in the World Series last, well guess what? That same excitement has been brought back around town since Preller took over, the savvy baseball fan here knows that and can see that.
With that being said, All of the moves and then on top of that, the corresponding moves have all been beneficial to SD under Preller’s watch. How do you essentially dump James Shields contract and get a throw-in prospect that turns out to be Fernando Tatis Jr. ? I mean that is a fabulous job by Preller and his scouting department.
Thrilling 2018 4th place
Oh and “stole” Allen Córdoba from the Cardinals and Luis Torrens from the Yankees.
Also Miguel
Diaz from the Brewers all for $150,000
I find it hilarious that you mention all the busts but yet only mention that Anderson Espinoza was a top 20 prospect instead on mentioning him as damaged goods or a bust.
Is anderson espinoza still with the padres? Yes
Has he accumulated any service time? No.
Is he still a top 100 prospect? Yes.
How exactly is he damaged goods or a bust? Cause he had tjs and fell down the rankings?
Yeah, not a bust. Still in the minors and until the padres cut him or he proves he cant pitch at the ml level he isnt a bust or damaged goods. Many pitching prospects have tjs. Only difference is hes not gaining service time on the mend.
Notice how i didnt mention bauers dustin pederson mallex smith or the recently traded de los santos. Cause jury is still out on them as they develop. Keep up man.
Bauers – Myers trade. We lost that one, but not necessarily because of Bauers.
Dustin Peterson and Mallex Smith – Justin Upton trade. How is Justin Upton doing for the Padres these days?
De Los Santos – Galvis trade. Who would have contributed more to the next good Padres team: Galvis or De Los Santos?
The picks the padres were able to sign to overslot deals from money they saved on the qo pick rather than players who would of wanted at or below slot deals are progressing.
And
Neither.
Not getting that money wouldn’t have stopped us from signing Quantrill. They might have had to take someone cheap with the pick they used on Lawson but that wouldn’t have been a big loss and I’d rather have Fried and Smith (who was later traded for Luiz Gohara) than him.
DLS could have contributed as a reliever for the next good Padres team or been traded at some point down the road to fill a need. An actual need. Not a stopgap that we could have gotten without giving him up.
AND they still won’t make the post-season for the next 10 years or more!
How do you figure boy?
Dude, you’re a loser. Go back to chasing Pokémon while living on mommy and daddy’s dime.
1. Your “mommy and daddy” schtick is getting old. You don’t know me, or anyone on here for that matter, at all. You got other comebacks little fella?
2. At least I don’t lie about my age to a bunch of randos.
3. All I did was ask him why he thinks the Padres won’t make the postseason for the next 10 years. Pretty sure I didn’t insult him.
4. Just adds to the ever-mounting pile of evidence that you two are the same person.
You’re funny kid. Time to grow up and learn about life and how the real world works.
I’d say the same thing to you. But you probably don’t have the mental capacity to make it in the real world.
Says the kid who sits at his computer waiting to tell people how they’re wrong about everything. I work for the state of Missouri kid, I actually have a big boy job. You wish you could say the same. This is where I’ll say, “I’m out” and not respond anymore. This is also where you’ll say, “this is where you say you’re done but continue on”. (The last thread I did that, you kept going like the little *itch you are.). Preller sucks, just like your mom. Im out.
But I already told you I post from my phone so what are you talking about now? And you still don’t know what type of job I do or don’t have. You said you were out, I didn’t say I was out. That means YOU have to stop commenting while I don’t. I may not be a Preller fan but he isn’t nearly the worst executive in baseball.
Preller is cheap that’s why he’s loved
Ya, because it’s Preller’s money. Wow. You guys make this thread so annoying.
Preller probably lowest paid GM in baseball
LONDON BRIDGES FALLING DOWN! FALLING DOWN! FALLING DOWN!
As much as I’m not enjoying this slow offseason, I still am enjoying reading about owners/GM’s not caving into Boras.
Took Headley mostly to get Mitchell, eh? They are higher on him than the Yankees. Could be good though.
Padres have had a lot of success with lefties lately since Preller took over.
Brad Hand, Drew Pomeranz, Baumann, Mcgrath had a strong showing in 19 innings. Torres looks like a great asset if he can command his FB better and develop his secondary stuff a bit more.
Mitchell is a righty. He was beyond awful for the Yankees. He does have very good stuff though, and the Pads can be a lot more patient with him than the Yanks. He really did not have a spot on the team. Blash was a non-factor; Pads could’ve just DFA’d him at any time.
You’re showing how poorly educated you are in terms of baseball knowledge by not even knowing the guy you’re talking up is right handed.
Did I say mitchell was a lefty? No I did not.
I said padres have had success developing lefties, which they have. Most of their biggest reclamation projects have been lefties, which mitchell is a reclamation project.
They’ve never really tried developing a righty other than yates maton and perdomo and theyve had so so results with them.
Dont really know how the mitchell experiment will turn out.
Hopefully the Mitchell Experiment will have a better outcome than the Mitchell Report.
Mitchell is awful. Couldn’t stand watching him come in and put games out of reach.
Rockies fans said the same thing about Drew Pomeranz and Marlins fans about Brad Hand. Could be like those two and find success or could wind up like Travis Wood. Who knows. Won’t know till we try. Gave up Jabari Blash. The fact we moved on from Jabari Blash finally is enough for me to be ok with paying 12.5 mill for headley and mitchell.
Mid 90s FB as a starter and 2 other plus pitches 96-97 as a reliever. Started his whole minor league career and then thrown into the Bronx as a reliever. His 3.76 ERA for the Yanks as a starter bear out his skills. Some guys just need that structure to their schedules to succeed.
“I’m hoping Galvis will be here for more than a year, take some pressure off some of the young guys coming up,” he stated. “…We’re feeling very good about that trade and what he might be able to do for us over the next few years.”
He won’t do anything for us over the next few years! And don’t say “Padres can still re-sign him” because trading for him now was not a prerequisite to doing that.
Considering the talent level at SS currently, players like Galvis, Iglesias, and Escobar are the type that would not get much consideration on the FA market, and would be more open to an extension. Cozart is better than each and had to change positions as FA. Job security is a good thing. No one is waiting to overpay them.
All that stuff you said means it would have been just as easy to sign Galvis in free agency and keep DLS.
PS: How’s extending Iglesias going for you? And what about Aroldis Chapman? You actually went with “are you his agent?” when I said Chapman wouldn’t take an extension and I was right on the money about that.
Dont read more than I write. While I said he is the type, I am not expecting the Tigers to extend him. Left handed power relievers are always in high demand, which if you pay attention to my comments, I constantly point out. I expect the Chapmans and Millers to test the market. I could see Britton, due to his injury, considering one, but still not likely. Try to stay on the current topic.
I’m not reading more than you write. You said a year ago when I said the Padres shouldn’t trade for Iglesias because he didn’t have enough control left that they should “just sign him to an extension.” If they are capable of signing him to an extension, they are capable of signing him in free agency a year from now. Why give up prospects on top of that?
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And you also asked me “Are you his agent?” when I said Chapman wouldn’t take an extension. Don’t even try to act like anyone who says things like “Are you his agent?” isn’t pot-stirring.
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Oh and Iglesias STILL hasn’t signed an extension and you guys are about to lose him for nothing.
Oh and while I understand and am not necessarily opposed to the idea of taking on bad contract in order to add a player you like, I honestly don’t know what they see in Bryan Mitchell other than an unfortunate name and do not want Chase Headley’s mopey ass playing for my team.
1. The Padres didnt give away a top prospect for Glavis, the way it stands at this moment de Los Santos will be a number three started at most, but this is not basketball where you can predict how a player will perform, so these are just bold predictions, anything can happen.
2. Seven out of the top ten prospects in the Padres farm system are pitchers, so giving away their number 15th prospect is no biggie for a much needed SS (I would personally preferred signing a FA (Escobar), but I believe Galvis could be extended)
4. Galvis is a great defensive player, FA like Zack Cozart and Escobar are more offensive players rather than defensive players.
5. They see Mitchell true potential just like they saw Tyson Ross, Andrew Cashner, Drew Pomeranz and Ian Kennedy before joining them. They all became great pitchers (when healthy) when they moved to San Diego (all thanks to their great pitching coach).
6. Eating one year of Headleys contract isn’t a big deal…it’s one year and we have the money to afford him. I don’t want to see Headley as our everyday third baseman, but it did gave us a huge discount on Mitchell….did I mention it’s only one year?
1. It doesn’t matter! DLS had a better chance of contributing to the next good Padres team than Galvis does because he would have still been here when they were contending! Galvis won’t.
2. Doesn’t matter. Trading DLS didn’t get us a much needed shortstop, at least not long enough to matter. They didn’t have to trade DLS to sign Galvis.
3. You forgot it.
4. It doesn’t matter. He’s a pending FA.
5. That’s all fine and dandy but I see nothing in that guy.
6. They need to trade Headley RIGHT NOW! Idc what they get for him or how much $ they have to eat as long as his mopey ass is GONE!
1. When you have nine pitching prospect ahead of you, plus two young pitchers up on the majors, you can’t expect someone like DLS to actually be contributing up on the Majors in the future. Maybe as a reliever if he gets lucky. Specially when they will most likely be signing FA pitchers when they start contending (just like any contending team does) or he would’ve been involved in a trade in the future either way when he’s less valuable (older and has less control)
2. I’m sure the Padres front office was planning on having Galvis after this season before they acquired him, if they do, then the won’t rush their prospects
3. I did forget three, lol
4. Not if the extend him, if they do, it will prevent them from rushing any of their prospect to the majors and increasing their chances of flopping.
5. Yeah, so did the Marlins with Brad Hand
6. Trust me, I don’t want Headley either, but this is not MLB 2k (RIP). You can’t just trade him to any team you want. I doubt anyone wants him, I say release him and let Spangenberg play third. We won’t get anything g for him either way
1. DLS as a reliever would have contributed more than Galvis will. And he could have been traded for someone who wasn’t a pending free agent.
2. You NEVER trade for a rental player and plan to have him after the season is over! EVER! That is what Preller did with Justin Upton and look how that turned out.
3. Yep
4. What reason does Galvis have to agree to that? You don’t just get to force players to sign extensions.
5. I’d like to be wrong about Mitchell.
6. Feel like we could at least find someone who is willing to take him for like $6-7m
*decrease
1. Good point
2. Justin Upton was worth A LOT more than what Galvis will ever be AND they have the payroll flexibility to re sign him.
4. He won’t be the most attractive FA infielder on the Market. You’re talking about Many Machado, Josh Donaldson, Elvis Andrus and Brian Dozier as his competitors. He could either have a secure job as a starting SS for a soon to be contending Padres or a Platoon player for a contending team.
5. I’m sure Mitchell will be talented, have some faith in Balsley
6. I really don’t see any team interested in Headley because he would most likely be a $6 million bench player for most contending teams (If the Padres eat $7 million) and well it wouldn’t make sense for a rebuilding team to get him unless they give up nothing in return….which I’m sure the Padres would want something if they’re eating half his contract.
2. They would have had the payroll flexibility to sign Galvis even if they hadn’t traded for him this offseason.
4. Might prefer to play for a more surefire contender. Either way, he’ll get more money by waiting out free agency than he would from an extension. Padres would have to up their ante if other teams are allowed to negotiate with him.
5. Bals is the best in the business. We’ll see what happens.
6. Who cares what they get? Getting his mopey ass out of the clubhouse would be addition by subtraction.
2. There’s a chance the Phillies would’ve traded Galvis either way to x team if it wasn’t the Padres and that team would’ve most likely extended Galvis. So the Padres would be risking on passing on a good defensive SS that’s also cheap and affordable compared to the rest of the 2018-2019 FA class.
4. Galvis might want to test FA, but that doesn’t mean he’ll get many offers, just look at this FA class. GMs are being smarter on not overpaying any players. He could either secure his future salary and secure his spot as an everyday player or risk on having a low market value because of a very strong FA class, just look at where Billy Buttler is at rn.
6. That’s why I think the Padres should release him. They would be paying him 500k in dead money while the Yankees would be paying him the other 500k. fangraphs.com/blogs/mlb-teams-with-the-most-dead-m…
No. Galvis will NOT most likely take an extension. He’s already this close to free agency, why forego it now? And Padres were the only team that were even interested in him. Padres would have been able to get him without trading for him.
No matter how many offers he gets, he won’t lose money by waiting out free agency. He could secure his future salary and his spot as an everyday player by signing with the Padres in free agency and he could have done that even if they hadn’t traded for him.
I have a hard time believing that NO ONE is interested in Headley at all. Could be wrong tho.
The Phillies were strongly searching for a trade candidate involving Galvis, one of them was rumored to be the Orioles when the Phillies were doing trade talks for Machado (obviously the Phillies would give Galvis + other prospects). It could’ve been now or waited in the Trade Deadline when he had less value to any team… and okay, you said it yourself, no one was rumored to be interested in trading for Galvis. It’s not that the Phillies were asking for too much, it’s that he’s not desperately needed in any other team currently. Signing an extension will secure his future, going to FA will not guarantee him a bigger contract or even guarantee him a contract at all. If everyone was guaranteed to get a better contract on FA then no one would sign extensions and instead test FA. He could end up being a FA for the whole season if no one needs him and yes, that can happen and it has happened. No team will wait for a player to hit FA unless they’re Bryce Harper or Manny Machado and even then some teams won’t wait (Look at Yankees aquiring Giancarlo). So why would the Padres leave the SS spot open just to wait for Galvis in a year? Because we don’t want to lose our future super star DLS when he would most likely not even make the Majors with the Padres stacked farm system? That’s like saying the Padres shouldn’t have attempted to trade with the Reds for Cozart because he was gonna go to FA either way….oh wait…they did that! Oh wait! They didn’t sign him? Either way, if the Padres didn’t get Galvis, they would’ve gotten someone regardless, either via trade or FA. They can’t keep on waiting until a guy hits FA, they have to start being aggressive. They needed a decent MLB ready player that would give them just enough time for their prospects to grow in the minors. This years FA didn’t have much to offer besides Cozart, the player we waiting for to hit FA….but he ended up signing with the Angels. The next option is via trade, one favorite would’ve been Iglesias, which I’m sure the Pads would’ve given a lot more for him…..so 1. I can’t see the Padres waiting a year…again… to sign a FA SS when we need one NOW, 2. I can’t see the Padres trading for another SS and give up a bigger package and 3. I can’t see them signing a bust SS that’s past his peak just so they can say they filled the spot….oh… and yes, your decisions on waiting can and will effect your allowance. Don’t expect all teams waiting for you to make up your mind if you’re not a top FA. They will continue the show without you. Don’t you remember Ian Desmond rejecting a $17.5 QO and rejecting seven year $107 million, but instead got a year contract worth $8 million…for waiting for a better offer that never happen….so waiting can make you lose an opportunity on making a good amount of money.
Why the fvvk would the rebuilding Phillies want to trade for Manny Machado the one year rental!?!?!?!?
Going to free agency will not hurt him. If the Padres are interested in signing him now, they’ll be interested in signing him later. And it’s possible other teams will be which means he makes more money. Free agency is a no-lose proposition for Galvis. If the Padres are already interested in signing him that means there is absolutely ZERO risk of him not getting a contract next winter. Teams wait for players to hit free agency all the time. We would leave the SS position open for one year because we are not going to contend in 2018 and we wouldn’t have to give up DLS to get Galvis that way. I never said he’s a future star you idiot! But he would have contributed much more to the next good Padres team that Galvis will, because Galvis will be gone. Don’t troll and say we can sign Galvis because we didn’t have to trade for him to do that. What they should have done was sign Alcides Escobar to a 1 or 2 year deal for however much it cost and kept DLS. Sure they can wait till guys hit free agency. They will hit free agency then we can sign them away from their old teams and give them nothing. They didn’t need any player, they aren’t contending in 2018. The Padres don’t need a shortstop NOW. They need one in 2020 when they are contending. Galvis doesn’t fit that bill. Galvis definitely shouldn’t hold out until January like the free agents this year are but the Padres are not going to be bringing their best to the table when they are the only ones allowed to negotiate with him so he needs to at least wait out free agency so he can gauge other teams’ offers.
In the end, whether you want to admit it or not, Galvis isn’t taking an extension. And he shouldn’t. This will be just like when Preller traded for Justin Upton and said he didn’t see him as a one year rental. He was.
I don’t know why the Phillies would be interested, I’m not their GM, it’s just rumors I read (see below). They could also trade one year of Machado and extend him…you know that extending a player is possible, right? Sometimes the players get better deals when they get extended by not going to FA (Stanton, Kershaw???). The Padres we’re also interested in signing Cozart back when the Reds had him and when he hit FA but look how that turned out. What do you mean zero out of 5? All you’re saying is wait for him to hit FA, I say learn from your past mistakes like Cozart and be aggressive. Also, just because a team is interested in a player one year, doesn’t mean they’ll be interested the next year. I guess you’re not proving a point either. Have you not learned two lessons from one single experience? Cozart? does it ring the bell at all?!?!? I guess my points go over your head. I only have one account, it’s not my fault people disagree with you and btw you can’t down vote on the MLBTR App just FYI. Put yourself in Escobar shoes for a bit and think. You’re a 30 year old FA SS that’s a decent defensive player that can play all 162 games. Your competitor that’s two years older than you just got a three year $42 million contract just because of one breakout year. Why in the world would he get a one year contract when the Royals can do better than that? Do you think the Padres are his only option or what? Do you think every FA will wait for the Padres to contact them to give them an offer and the Padres could just sign them with no problem? Because it sure sounds like it. You make really invalid points. Did the Padres have a clear SS option before the season? Cordoba was an option, but he still needs to improve in the minors, so, did the Padres not need a SS? I swear, you make it sound like giving up DLS was too much. It was a fair trade, the Padres obviously didn’t see him contribute in the future, probably at all, and unless you give me a realistic FA signing, or any realistic trade, not any of your fantasy one year contracts or fantasy trades where the Padres get the next Derek Jeter by giving away nothing, then I’ll take you a bit more serious. google.com/amp/s/articles.nj.com/phillies/index.ss…
I don’t know why the Phillies would be interested, I’m not their GM, it’s just rumors I read (see below). They could also trade one year of Machado and extend him…you know that extending a player is possible, right? Sometimes the players get better deals when they get extended by not going to FA (Stanton, Kershaw???). The Padres were also interested in acquiring Cozart back when the Reds had him and when he hit FA but look how that turned out. What do you mean zero out of 5? All you’re saying is wait for him to hit FA, I say learn from your past mistakes like Cozart and be aggressive. Also, just because a team is interested in a player one year, doesn’t mean they’ll be interested the next year, because you do realize that teams could trade or sign another player from the same position, right? Heck, even from their own system someone could have a breakout year. I guess you’re not proving a point either. Have you not learned two lessons from one single experience? Cozart? does it ring the bell at all?!?!? I guess my points go over your head. I only have one account, it’s not my fault people disagree with you and btw you can’t down vote on the MLBTR App just FYI. Put yourself in Escobar shoes for a bit and think. You’re a 30 year old FA SS that’s a decent defensive player that can play all 162 games. Your competitor that’s two years older than you just got a three year $42 million contract just because of one breakout year. Why in the world would he get a one year contract when the Royals can do better than that? Do you think the Padres are his only option or what? Do you think every FA will wait for the Padres to contact them to give them an offer and the Padres could just sign them with no problem and that all other 29 teams are non existent? Because it sure sounds like it. You make really invalid points. Did the Padres have a clear SS option before the season? Cordoba was an option, but he still needs to improve in the minors, so, did the Padres not need a SS? I swear, you make it sound like giving up DLS was too much. It was a fair trade for both sides, I have a feeling that even if we gave up our 30 prospect you would still be complaining of how they could’ve cooperated so much in the future, but guess what? The Padres front office, the same ones that have degrees, experience and way more knowledge than anyone in the comments section, yes, that includes you, obviously didn’t see him contribute, probably at all, and unless you give me a realistic FA signing, or any realistic trade, not any of your fantasy one year contracts or fantasy trades where the Padres get the next 21 year old Derek Jeter with a ten year contract for the league minimum by giving away nothing, then I’ll take you a bit more serious. google.com/amp/s/articles.nj.com/phillies/index.ss…
Manny to the Phillies was mentioned here (and other MLBTR articles as well) and your new BFF commented on it.
mlbtraderumors.com/2017/12/orioles-trade-rumor-man…
Genske said that he would like to get a deal done for Galvis to keep him in San Diego. The owner of the Padres and their GM have said they would like to extend Galvis. Doesn’t make it certain that he will sign an extension, but when both sides want something to happen it does make it likely.
Manny to the Phillies doesn’t make the slightest semblance of sense. They are gonna have to beat the market to sign him anyway. Why give up prospects on top of that?
Galvis isn’t signing an extension.
No! They can’t extend Machado. You are an idiot for suggesting that. If he wanted to take an extension it would have happened by now.
On Cozart, from what I know, the Angels were willing to offer him more money and he wanted to play for a team that would contend this season. Trading for him last wouldn’t have changed that and it won’t change anything for Freddy Galvis.
On Escobar, look at his market right now. It would not have been hard for the Padres to get him.
I never said the Padres can just sign Cozart, Escobar or any player but trading for him in advance of his free agency won’t make him signing any more likely.
The Padres did have options at shortstop, they could have signed Aybar or Escobar or just brought up Jose Rondon. Wouldn’t have been as good as Galvis but in a rebuilding year it wouldn’t have mattered. DLS trade was fair but not the type of trade you make unless you genuinely think you can contend this year.
I wouldn’t mind giving up our top 30 prospect as long as whoever we got back would contribute more to a contending Padres team than that prospect. Not the case with Galvis.
Realistic FA signing: Erick Aybar or Alcides Escobar
I already saw the reports linking Machado to the Phillies and I just don’t understand why.
i Don’t understand the Mitchell trade. I don’t see anything exciting enough about him to make that kind of move for. I think the guy you gave up for Galvis is much more exciting. You say the best de los Santos is gonna be is a 3rd starter? Well that’s fantastic. I’ll take a #3 any day for a year of Freddy Galvis. Regardless of all that zack cozart is a fantastic defensive SS. Just as good as Galvis if not better. He won’t be playing SS this year because he went to the team with the greatest defensive SS around.
Honestly, going to be another long season. Please bring back Mat Latos, Jake Peavy, Andrew Cashner on minors deals with an invite to ST please. Already reunited with Chris Young and Tyson Ross. Headleys back in town. Lets blow the top of this popsicle stand and spend a long season reliving glory moments, stories, and taking fond trips down memory lane while we usher in the new crop of padres.
Doubt cashner takes a minor league deal.
Cashner got a Major League deal a year ago and was better in 2017 than 2016. Why would he take a minor league deal now?
4.64 k/9, velocity down on all his pitches, and all it took was a career low babip of .266
used his change up more often and curveball.
I mean he can hold out for a major deal, but he wasnt “better” more like “lucky”.
Yes, how dare Cashner succeed based in an ability to induce weak contact rather than doing so via the almighty strikeout!
Fine. Your Padres can pay Cashner what hes asking. He’s not wanted by a contender. He makes little sense in a rebuild. He is not even a sure thing for providing innings. What happened to teams not paying for past performance? He’s Mike Pelfrey without the fastball.
I feel like Mat Latos is a bad clubhouse presence and we don’t want him to have any negative effect on our young players. I would love to see Peavy back in SD as a Long Reliever and mentor for the younger pitchers (I also like when he gets hyped up), but I’m sure he would like to be closer to his hometown. Andrew Chashner pitched really good last year for the rangers, so I’m sure he would look for a multi year contract worth a good chunk of money. Changing subjects, I want to see Ichiro as a Padre…. Hunter Renfroe struggled with right handed pitchers last year and Ichiro still has talent left in him. So maybe he could be signed as a Platoon?
Latos isn’t a bad clubhouse presence.
“Latos has perhaps earned a reputation as a difficult personality to manage, and it’s not hard to imagine teams being hesitant to acquire such a boisterous presence in the clubhouse”
fangraphs.com/blogs/white-sox-buy-low-on-mat-latos…
Note: “perhaps.” All speculation. And he wasn’t wrong about the Reds.
They also said “perhaps there’s some risk in Latos off the field”, which by perhaps the writer means it could be one of the main reason why they were hesitant, but it’s not confirmed. So he can’t say it was the main reason.
Ryan, you’re the Matt Latos of MLBTR. An immature whiny brat, who throws temper tantrums when things don’t go his way.
Grow up.
Cmon Ryan is huge in chat rooms
Another brilliant comment Bud Black gets along with everyone nicest guy in game and didn’t get along with Latos more entrenched
Ryan is huge in chatrooms. I agree, according to him he has been getting some down votes and accusing multiple people of making up accounts because he can’t believe people could disagree with his opinion because he’ll all knowingly and he’s never wrong. So, yeah, he’s very notorious here
Lol I’m no different than 90% of the other commenters on here
English mfer do you speak it?
You’re a miserable know it all
And you’re brain dead
Graduate school lol
Another extremely insightful comment from padreforlife
Latos is probably one of the last players they would want on this team right now. But I think it would be cool if they brought back Jake Peavey.
Cool for opposing hitters
“He would be 28 in the first year, obviously 34 would be his last year if it’s seven, but I can’t really get into it more than that. But I think we were pretty creative in the way we put a contract proposal together. We like it. I don’t know if Mr. Boras likes it, but that’s probably another story.”
Who is this guy? He sounds savage! Is what I thought until I read the bottom quote…
“[H]e felt that Bryan Mitchell, the guy we got from the Yankees, was worth taking the last year of the contract for Chase. We’re happy that Chase will be here — we think he’ll be here — but it was really for Mitchell that we paid that money, it wasn’t for Chase.”
Why throw Headley under the bus? Bryan Mitchell is a scrub. 5.79 ERA 32.2 IP, 2017, and never had MLB success, despite the ‘electric’ fastball.
Chase knows the score
It’s kinda hard to pitch in the al… especially in the al east
The NL west isn’t going to do him any favors
Preller already told Headley he may not be here before ST starts, so its not a secret.
I’m very confused how any Padre fan would be excited about what they gave up for Galvis. The Rays traded for his clone in Hechavarria at last years deadline and they gave up two 40 FV non prospects who aren’t even top 30 in a weak Marlins farm for 1.5 years of Hechavarria.
The Padres gave up a FV 50 SP prospect who is near MLB ready for 1 year of Galvis. A year they don’t plan on contending. Next offseason they could have had their pick of no bat, glove only SS in free agency with Galvis, Hechavarria and Iglesias all set to hit the market in their late 20s. As a Rays fan, I would have been ecstatic if the Rays traded Hechavarria for De Los Santos.
Galvis trade makes little sense but Preller fans throw the bouquets at him for fab prospects
Lol slow on the driveway lol
Are people actually excited about the move? Most people give the correct response of “meh” when they hear of the trade. Good defensive SS for a prospect that Keith Law said is “destined for middle relief.” Did the Padres need to make the trade? No. Will losing De Los Santos make any real impact? Highly unlikely. Only excitement I see is from misinformed dreamers getting all hot and bothered that the Padres just traded the next King Felix or something.
Well, there are a dozen comments above with several people going back and forth about Galvis, amongst others. Even if De Los Santos is destined for middle relief, 6 cheap years of a MR is significantly more valueable than 1 season of Galvis on a non contending team.
MR is the easiest position to replace. If I assume correctly and you are a Padres fan, then you should know that a league average SS for $6.8 million isn’t so easy to find. Players still have value to teams whether or not they are expected to contend.
I found no excitement for Galvis from the comments. One guy praised him for great defense and thinks they should extend him beyond this year. Unfortunately for me, I had to go through some pretty stupid comments to make sure there wasn’t a fever pitch for Galvis. The trade was meh and the response is meh.
Padres just trying to buy a championship.
Yea well they aren’t doing a very good job at it.
Um.. Wow
Preller be like cue the song “I think I’m turning japanese”
Yea let’s hope .250 Galvis stays forever lol
One potato two potato three potato four.
It seems like Aj Preller is turning into the Bill Belichick of MLB. He tends to make good, calculated moves, but still gets lots of hate from people.
I like Hosmer but I don’t want him right now.
you mean he’s a cheater?
More like Omar Mineya
Lol short bus lol
You learn that in grad school?
You learn that in your special ed class?