Stephen Nesbitt of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette takes a long look at the path of Pirates infielder Jung Ho Kang, who recently washed out of Dominican winter ball and still does not appear to have an avenue back to playing in the majors. It’s well worth reading the piece in its entirety for a glance at Kang’s hard-to-decipher rise and fall. And it’s worth noting that Nesbitt says some within Kang’s former organization, the Nexen Heroes, are hopeful that the power-hitting infielder could negotiate an exit from his contract with the Pirates to pave the way for a return to the team for which he long starred in Korea.
Here’s more from the National League:
- The Pirates and Mets have again engaged in some talks involving long-time Bucs star Andrew McCutchen, per Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (via Twitter). As things stand, though, it seems there’s no reason to believe the Mets are a particularly likely destination. The 31-year-old looks to be a solid value after a nice bounceback season, but at $14.75MM on a one-year commitment he’s not exactly teeming with value, either. And that’s still a big payroll hit for the Mets, who are reportedly looking to upgrade in several areas without greatly increasing their 2018 financial commitments. From the Pittsburgh perspective, of course, the team seems mostly still to be considering arrangements that will maximize resources without fully committing to win-now or future-oriented extreme. That’s the broad takeaway from the mailbag of MLB.com’s Adam Berry, who nicely covers a variety of topics of interest to Bucs fans.
- Meanwhile, the Giants — who have also been tied to McCutchen — are still working through a broad slate of possibilities, as Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle writes. GM Bobby Evans says the organization is “not really focused on the calendar” and views its options as “still very satisfying.” Patience has been the name of the game for just about all of baseball’s key actors this winter; the question remains when and how transactions will begin in earnest. For the Giants, the key limitations revolve around a desire to dip below the luxury tax line and a hesitancy to part with the best of their relatively meager prospect assets. As Schulman notes on Twitter, rivals have not only focused on outfielder Heliot Ramos, but also young pitchers Andrew Suarez and Tyler Beede.
- It has already been an eventful and somewhat controversial offeason for the Marlins. As Danny Knobler writes for Bleacher Report, the new ownership group’s decision to move large contracts and launch a rebuild may feel unfortunate, and has not been conducted in an artful manner, but largely fall in line with what was viewed as necessary given the financial limitations and roster needs that had arisen. Perhaps there’s still a chance that the Marlins can salvage the situation from a PR perspective, though, if they can make a case to fans that they have mostly just been acting strategically — that is, methodically working through necessary trade talks without giving away their true, full intentions in a manner that may have appeased fans but drained leverage. The proof, perhaps, will be in the results of the still-percolating trade talks surrounding J.T. Realmuto and Christian Yelich — both of whom are arguably more valuable trade assets than the players who’ve already been dealt. As Rosenthal tweets, the Marlins are not prioritizing financial matters in marketing Realmuto and Yelich; rather, the club is “seeking [the] best talent” it can get its hands on. It will certainly be interesting to see how those discussions progress over the coming weeks, as it seems there’s broad interest from quite a few teams that could deliver major assets back to the Marlins.
- Winter Meetings chatter between the Padres and Cubs involving infielder Javier Baez failed to develop, per another Rosenthal report. It’s “likely” that Chicago was looking to pick up “a controllable starter” in any such deal, says Rosenthal, and the San Diego organization was just not interested in dangling Dinelson Lamet or Luis Perdomo. The sides also held some discussions involving Baez and Friars lefty Brad Hand, per Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union-Tribune. Precise formulations of potential trade packages are not really clear, but it probably shouldn’t be too surprising to hear that those particular names came up. It seems that ship has sailed at this point, though in theory the sides could always strike up talks again if one or the other has a change of heart. Lin also addresses a few other topics of note; in particular, he says the Pads are likely just about done adding rotation options, so fans looking for a Jake Peavy reunion shouldn’t hold their breath.
Padres2019ha
If Baez can play SS full time I’d probably take that deal for Hand and Perdomo
37santobanks
I’d personally rather see Baez stay and Russell go, but if you’re going to get that kind of haul, it’d probably take Baez and a low-level’er or two at least. Russ would maybe be too costly for that haul, in terms of the additional talent Chicago would have to send back.
CardsNation5
Baez is not better than Russell. He’s flashier, but not better. Plus Baez strikes out a ton.
ray_derek
Russell is better defensively in my opinion, but offensively at this point I don’t believe he will improve much. I think Baez could turn into a pretty solid power hitter. his average will never be great, but potential to hit 30-40 HRs. Baez showered great improvement in 2017 and his average was 40 points higher than Russell’s.
37santobanks
Baez is a much better hitter. He is pretty close on the defensive side of things as well.
Red Ivy
Baez and Russell are similar players. The only difference is Javy and flashy and Russell isn’t. Both strike out a lot and can hit it far. I honestly want to keep both of them.
ray_derek
I guess they’re similar since they can both play SS, buuuut that’s about it
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Baez and russell are top 10 players at 2nd and SS. They both positions. Only Lindor and Correa are better than Baez at short
Djones246890
Russell is the better — and more consistent — player.
You can’t count last year, because he had a million serious off-field personal issues, and he was injured a good bit.
Michael Chaney
I know you’re a Padres fan and I’m not, but I still feel like the Cubs would have to add more (maybe a lot more) to get Hand, let alone Perdomo too.
Padres2019ha
Ya, it’s kinda tough. I def live Hand, butwe don’t have a Balsley for position players. Finding a SS of the future has been the hardest thing for The Padres, so I’d be ok with overpaying for one. Especially one w the upside of Baez. Cubs fans love the hell out of him. I haven’t seen him play much, but we have a ton of pitchers coming thru the minors that could replace Perdomo. True to what a commenter said above, if we had a better defense, Perdomo would be a lot better. I’m not sure ilof his ceiling, but w pitching contracts thru the roof, I may have under valued him. Obviously we balked at the asking price, and I trust Preller. I do think Preller’s skill is in scouting more as opposed to major league talent. He still has a lot to prove in that aspect.
outinleftfield
4 of the Padres top 30 prospects and 2 of MLBs top 10 SS prospects are shortstops and two could play for your team before the end of the 2018 season. The future looks bright looking from the outside. Seems that 2018 is covered with Galvis. Do you think you need to trade valuable players or prospects to play a position that looks to be filled for the foreseeable future?
mrpadre19
Tatis will end up at 3B and Urias will end up at 2b.
So no….we really don’t have a SS prospect.
Padres2019ha
yup
mrpadre19
Yes.
I agree.
Brad Hand has tremendous value right now esp since the Rockies signing of Wade Davis.
I’m thinking Preller offered Hand for Baez and the Cubs wanted more and talks ended.
Or Preller wanted Baez + for Hand alone.
adkuchan
Relief pitching is very volatile. Guys go from great to washed up in no time. 14 months ago Hand was just another guy. A 28 year old relief pitcher will never have the value of a 25 year old SS. Especially one with the combo of defensive skill and offensive power that Baez has. Hand is in his prime and Baez is still improving.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Who else though? That’s not enough for Baez. Add 2 more top 10.prospects. And I might pull the trigger. But Baez is a top 3.SS/ 2B in baseball. I wouldnt trade him if it guaranteed a cy young winner and a closer that can save 60+ games per year.
beard
Is Perdomo valuable? I thought he was a bit of a flop?
bleacherbum
Yes, a lot of untapped potential still with Perdomo. Last year was his first full season as a starter in the bigs and he held his own. Remember 2016 he was a rule V guy who was stashed in the bullpen and only used in low leverage mop-up type games.
He would be a #5 type/swing man starter for the Cubs. Hey and he did league the triples for pitchers last year with 4, so if maddon wanted to continue to bat the pitcher 8th Perdomo is definitely his guy.
ob1kenobi
Nah he’s valuable. Young, controllable. He was a rule 5 guy so he went straight to mlb from a ball. Basically developed on the big stage. He had I think the highest gb% at like 60. Just needs a good infield defence behind him
bbatardo
Perdomo is a ground ball machine still working to hone skill but was in high A ball 2 years ago. He’s progressed quite a bit so 2018 will be interesting.
juicemane
He wasnt even pitching til a couple years ago…i thjnk he is going to be a great #3
Dodgethis
I’ll give the Marlins new ownership group the same 5 year window given to the Dodgers. Let the new owners rebuild the brand, get the obviously dysfunctional organization back on track and see what happens. Despite the loss of Stanton, the future has never been brighter in Miami. 2 years of top draft picks and the chance to develop some talant will make or break the Marlins. It’s not like the Marlins have a choice. I can’t help but feel it’s mostly baseball fans and not Marlins fans that are unhappy. The internet really skews things.
jd396
Hmmm. Nah. I say let’s give the new ownership 5 days and then start wringing our hands instead.
teufelshunde4
Isn’t that the grace period most teams fans give their team?
The dual hate is crazy.. one side loves the move, other hates it.. It’s schizophrenic lol
marlins17
Agreed. I’m excited what the future holds. Hopefully trade Yelich, JTR, Bour, Barraclough for a slew of top prospects and draft wisely the next two years when we will have high picks. 2021/2022 could be significant.
GoGreen_GoSoylentGreen
If the Bucs view McCutchen as mainly a salary dump and don’t expect top prospects, I’d like to see the Twins go after him. Nice veteran extra OF/RH bat to mix in. Depends on the prospects, but it sounds a lot better than Napoli to me…
wrigleywannabe
that’s really only true if you NEED to dump the salary.
bravesfan88
It’s been reported the Pirates were targeting Ramos and Beede from the Giants, so I don’t think they’re just looking to dump his salary.
Plus, he’s the Pirates former “franchise” guy, and he’s still a favorite of alot of their fans. So, their organization probably feels they are going to have to get at least one solid prospect in any trade involving Cutch..That way, the GM can put a positive PR spin on the move for their fans..
Idk, just my opinion, for whatever that’s worth..lol..I could easily be wrong, since I’m not really a Pirates fan..
Weighed
I hope Cutch gets traded to an unexpected contender.
Same with G. Cole.
mlb1225
Do you know what happens when an MLB team doesn’t commit to rebuild or win now? Years of mediocrity. It’s hard being a Pirate fan. Right when you think we got out of the gutter, we’re right back in it.
Michael Chaney
I agree…you have to pick a side one way or the other, because when you don’t you end up in an even worse spot. The example I always cite is Baltimore, and the Orioles look like they’re gonna be in pretty bad shape moving forward.
mlb1225
They’ll have a really hard time moving contracts like Davis, and Trumbo. At least The Pirates don’t have any contracts like that.
Caseys Partner
The Pirates never have any contracts because they never have any payroll.
mlb1225
Because ownership, and FO is too cheap.
theeterps
Not FO. Neil Huntington has nothing to do with payroll budget. That’s on ownership.
msjrn509
Small market ,economy dictates winners today ,It’s a farce.
bucnole31658
That’s bull crap these teams are making money hand over fist right now. Profits were up 15-25% in 16 and Pittsburgh isn’t a small market
jasonpen
Tell that to St Louis, Kansas City, and Tampa…
Stop making excuses.
outinleftfield
You mean the Rays who are rebuilding because they can’t afford to keep their star players? Or the Royals that can’t afford to resign 3 star players so they are rebuilding?
St Louis just signed a $1 billion tv deal.
mlb1225
Yes, but Huntington does nothing with the money he’s given.
bravesfan88
I agree, just because a team is in a small market, or operates under a smaller budget, doesn’t mean said team cannot contend…It is certainly a disadvantage, and being able to have a larger payroll it definitely an advantage for teams…
Obviously, for example, if a smaller market team makes a mistake, then it’s harder to come back from. Just like a larger market team can afford to take more risks, etc. but ownership and their budget is not the SOLE reason behind a team’s ability to contend…
outinleftfield
As an Os fan, unfortunately I have to agree with you. Sigh.
jd396
This isn’t the NBA. There are more choices besides “rebuild” or “win-now”. Baseball is different. The minors are bigger than any other league because there is always growth going on. There are numerous teams that are able to field consistently competitive teams (with ups and downs of course) through the years without blowing up the moon or spending like a drunken Steinbrenner. If you can’t draft and develop players outside of the first round you’re screwed no matter what you do. For the teams that will never be able to afford “win-now” they have to find a middle ground.
wkkortas
That’s fine if you have the financial wherewithal to either sign your best players long-term or bring in marquee free agents. The Pirates don’t have that option, and they are all but forced to have build-up and tear-down cycles because of the economics of the game.
bravesfan88
Yeah, I don’t get it…There is no reason a team in such a big city like Pittsburgh, operates under such a small payroll…
It has to be their owner that draws that line, because Pittsburgh is certainly NOT a “small market.”
jakec77
Unfortunately the last two WS champs may have set an unfortunate template of completely tanking for 2-3 years in order to contend.
As a Mets fan I was joking only a year or two ago that the biggest mistake they made was not completely tanking in Alderson’s 1st few years. It no longer appears to be funny.
wkkortas
Agree as well–it’s never a good sign if you can’t tell what direction a club is looking to go, and right now you can’t tell if the Bucs are going to zig or zag.
joew
I don’t understand this fascination with the pirates ‘rebuilding’ out of their starting 8 position players three are in contract years, (cutch, freese and mercer). All but freese have replacements almost here from the minors and of the three only one is a real impact player some of the time.. even freese has a replacement if they move harrison back to third. Of the five left, they’re all on reasonable contracts for a small market team provided they stay healthy.
Pitching all of their starters are on contract through the next two seasons and beyond. Relief needs some help but they have one of the best closers in the MLB.
If they’re not extending Cutch then get what you can to refill the farm because we will be bleeding it dry the next year or two. Kinda the same with Cole but with less urgency since he has another year and could rebuild his trade value tremendously.
outinleftfield
14 degrees outside in Noth Carolina and even in the house its freezing. These houses were made for hot, not freezing cold. Maybe that is why I cant sleep. A few thoughts.
The Giants have been tied to just about every outfielder that is on the market in FA or trade. Why not take a flyer on Cargo for one season at about $10 million? He can reestablish his value if he plays well and I don’t believe he has a QO so no draft pick.
The Marlins need to move another $14-15 million in payroll to get to $90 million. They can’t do that moving Yelich or Realmuto alone. Even trading both doesn’t get them under $90 million. The players that they would have to move to lower MLB payroll that far, Prado, Zeigler and or Tazawa, all have contracts and performance in 2017 that would make them nearly impossible to trade without pairing one or more of them with a player like Yelich, Realmuto, or Bour. Look for a trade of Yelich or Realmuto that includes Prado, Zeigler and or Tazawa.
In an interview with Chris Russo on High Heat, Padres GM Preller said that he was looking to add one and possibly more veteran starting pitchers. While sometimes GMs say things to intentionally knock people off the scent, in this case, it’s clear that the team needs another proven starter for their rotation. Only Richard is a proven commodity for them and he is 34. Lamet and Perdomo have shown sparks, but have no track record of sustained performance. Mitchell has not shown anything at the major league level yet, and Strahm, Rea, and Erlin have not shown much at the major league level and are all returning from significant injuries. Of the two minor league signings they made, Tyson Ross was once a very good pitcher, but he has not been effective since 2015 and Chris Young is a longer longshot than Weaver was last season.
Caseys Partner
Taking bad contracts from the Marlins to get Yelich makes more sense for the Padres than signing Hosmer.
mrpadre19
Except that requires trading minor league prospects.
Preller is in love with his amazing restoration of his Minor League system.
He will not trade anyone in the top 20 very easily.
Jean Matrac
I don’t see CarGo as a good fit for the Giants, for either hitting or fielding. His home/road splits are really troubling, and AT&T is not the best place to hit as it is. Plus, the Giants want to get back to their pitching and defense philosophy, and CarGo has not been very good with the glove. The Giant’s priority is CF, CarGo hasn’t played center since 2011, and his numbers for the corner OF positions aren’t that good either.
outinleftfield
Cargo played a lot of games in AT&T over his career. How did he hit there?
Jean Matrac
I didn’t look at that initially because most of the time those splits are relatively small samples, and I considered his overall home/road splits as more germane. That said, you’re right, he did play a lot of games at AT&T, 67 games, 62 as a starter (264 PAs). His line: .233/.284/.363. He hit 5 HRs, had 16 BBs, with 54 SOs. Not very encouraging for a Giants/CarGo signing.
jekporkins
Regarding the Giants, they probably don’t have interest in Cargo because he is a leftie and wouldn’t hit many homers at AT&T Park (he hit zero there last year). I’m sure Cargo also wants to play somewhere to build up his value.
takeyourbase
At this point one would think the Bucs would be glad to cut ties with Kang.
theeterps
Glad? Kang was an integral part of their offense making $2.75 mil per year. They definitely wouldn’t be glad to cut ties with him.
takeyourbase
I get that. But the likelihood of him playing for the Pirates and or being productive sounds pretty slim.
takeyourbase
Gets in trouble over sinking and driving. Can’t get visa. Missed all of 2017. Released from winter league…….
Cardinals17
I understand waiting last on the market to where players agents lower their players prices to more reasonable figures. However, are we just not getting the facts of other top tiered players the Cardinals are in serious conversation with, or are they just happy they could get Ozuna?? Great pick up but they need one more hitter, a Closer, and a Starting pitcher before 2018 begins. Otherwise, the Cardinals basically have the same team as 2015,
msjrn509
Better do more than Ozuna.
wrigleyhawkeye
Maybe I overvalue Baez because I’m a Cubs fan, but that doesn’t seem like a great return for his services. He’s a phenomenal defensive player, versatile, controllable player who has some pop and has been improving dramatically at the plate. I would rather give up Russell.
bucnole31658
Baez has a bad defensive year last yr his bat isn’t special and Russell is a better fielder
alexgordonbeckham
But he’s the best tagger in the league!
37santobanks
In what world did Baez have a bad defensive year last year? His bat is, in fact, better than Russell’s, too.
Jockstrapper
What are taking about? This is all wrong.
Red Ivy
WrigleyHawkeye – Just because other teams fans dislike the cubs and enjoy saying our player have no value (even tho we literally just won a World Series) doesn’t mean they are right. Javy is silky with power and Russell is consistent with power. Both of which haven’t even hit their prime yet. I honestly don’t care what ppl think anymore bc they are our players not theirs. They can keep their boys and we can keep ours. I’m 1 trillion percent fine with that.
gmenfan
Opposing fans everywhere enjoy undervaluing players on successful teams. Welcome to winning, Cubs fans !
baines03
“Kang’s hard-to-decipher rise and fall”??
Am I missing something here? The guy couldn’t stop driving drunk then fell out of baseball shape.
Jockstrapper
The stupidity of trading a young, controllable, GG caliber, everyday player for a reliever or unproven starter…
One Fan
I think its hilarious that Padre fans think Hand for Baez is an overpay by the Padres?!
Young stud middle infielders like Baez with his power and base running and baseball instincts are at a premium. And he is a natural shortstop. The most important position on the Diamond. Hand is good. But he is a relief pitcher. My God you want Baez you need to offer the Cubs more then Hand
Red Ivy
Ppl are so jealous of the cubs it’s unbelievable. They are just haters man. Don’t sweat it. We got our ring and we have Theo. More rings and more butthurt fans to come my friend.
Padres2019ha
Where in this comment section are all these Padre fans saying it’s an overpay? My comment at the top of this thread says Baez for Hand and Perdomo is acceptable.
outinleftfield
Have you noticed who the most valuable signings have been this off-season? The players that teams felt they couldn’t live without so they signed them quick?
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Fans and media like simple narratives. Oh well…
Huntingdon is doing the exact right thing. Be willing to sell IF you get GOOD offers.
If you don’t get good offers and sell anyway just because you “picked a direction” it’s an estate sale, not a rebuild.
Players figure to have more trade value at the July deadline than now given the glut of free agents still available.
Jean Matrac
Once again, just because you’ve seen a guy play, and he’s flashy, and he’s your guy playing for your team, doesn’t make him elite. I get the Cub’s fans love for Baez. He came up big on the game’s biggest stage, and that should be acknowledged. Any fan of any team would feel the same for their guy/team.
But it also shouldn’t affect an objective appraisal. Looking at stats, the best way to be objective, shows Baez as a slightly below average hitter, albeit above average for his position, and an above average, but not elite defender.
GMs on other teams are not going to overvalue him based on his PS performance. They are going to look at him analytically and listen to scouts who are not influenced by any player’s flashiness.
dbec72
Does anyone know where the the 2018 projections on players on here are coming from if you click on their name? Almost all of the projections have players doing worse than 2017. Hand is projected to have an era of about 3.50 for 2018? Now I am not sure he can go 2. 18 again but why not something like 2.60?
Jean Matrac
Projections are based on career averages, Hand has a career 3.99 ERA, so he’s projected to regress to his mean, Plus his 2.16 ERA from the 2017 season is by far the best of his career. He had a 5.30 ERA as recently as 2015, so it’s no surprise he has a projection well over 3.00.
I’m not sure exactly how the numbers are arrived at, whether it’s a true mean, or whether the peripherals, like his FIP of 3.03 is also considered. But I wouldn’t be surprised if he does better than his projection given his age, and that he does seem to have figured things out.
Any player that had a career best season in 2017 is going to be projected to do worse in 2018. But look at any player who had a sub-par 2017, he will be projected to do better in 2018. That’s not always how it is, but it’s how it usually turns out.
dbec72
Why isn’t anybody talking about trading for Bour from Miami? He could probably be had for very little if Miami keeps up their trend. He was pretty good when healthy.
Jean Matrac
Bour is a nice player, but how many teams need a 1B/DH? With so many 1B/DHs available as FAs at a relatively cheap price, why give up prospects for Bour? I think most teams would want to use those assets for more critical needs. Being cheap and controllable until 2021, he’s probably more valuable to the Marlins than what it would cost to get him. Just my opinion, I could be wrong, but I can’t think of any other reason why teams wouldn’t be interested in the guy.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Dan O’ Dowd suggested Lagares and Matz for Cutch.
That would only make sense for the Pirates if they are trading Cole.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
That would be so bad for Pittsburgh. Matz is good when healthy but Lagares isn’t that good.
I’d do Cutch for Matt Harvey straight up. Both need a change of scenery. Cutch would leave after one season. Matt Harvey is cy young good when healthy. Changing teams could help.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Padres don’t have a single player or players trading for , for Baez. It would have to be a lopsided 6 for 1 at the very least.