A few notes from the National League…
- Alex Anthopoulos hasn’t made many headline-grabbing transactions this winter, his first as Atlanta’s GM, though he revealed Saturday that the Braves “kicked around trying to get a (number) one- or two-type starter.” They’re holding off on that for the time being, though, per the Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s Jeff Schultz, who relays that the Braves are still considering adding to their bullpen and acquiring a third baseman to potentially unseat starter Johan Camargo. They’re said to have interest in free agent infielder Eduardo Nunez, one of the top third base-capable players on the market.
- Thanks in part to their acquisitions of star outfielders Lorenzo Cain and Christian Yelich, the Brewers will attempt to work around their OF surplus by occasionally using Ryan Braun at first base in 2018. Interestingly, there’s also a chance Braun will factor in at second base, where the Brewers are currently lacking an obvious solution. Braun has discussed playing second with GM David Stearns, Adam McCalvy of MLB.com reports (via Twitter) The 34-year-old hasn’t seen any action in the middle infield since his days as a shortstop with the Miami Hurricanes, so it seems he’d be a long shot to play much at the keystone. Indeed, McCalvy doesn’t expect Braun to be a real factor there (Twitter link).
- Brewers pitching coach Derek Johnson told fans Sunday that the club expects right-hander Jimmy Nelson to return “around June,” McCalvy tweets. Nelson himself still isn’t willing to put a timetable on his recovery, however (Twitter link). The 28-year-old has been on the mend from the surgery he underwent on a torn labrum in September, which came as an especially unfortunate development after he emerged as one of the league’s top starters in 2017.
- New Marlins owners Bruce Sherman and Derek Jeter have drawn plenty of criticism for their payroll-slashing methods in their first offseason atop the franchise. Before securing the Marlins last year, Sherman and Jeter had to outbid a potential ownership group including Hall of Fame hurler Tom Glavine. As it turns out, had Glavine & Co. purchased the team, they would have operated similarly to how Sherman and Jeter have. Glavine told Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe that his faction was “of the same mind-set as to the moves that had to be made to get payroll under control.” They’d have attempted to do things differently in terms of public relations, though, with Glavine acknowledging that Sherman and Jeter haven’t “done themselves any favors from a PR standpoint.”
bravesfan
Braves might as well just hold put at this point. Unless we can find a way to upgrade left field, I honestly think catching is our biggest need. One year wonders who aren’t that great defensively are not the answer at all. Carmargo and rio can handle 3rd well enough this year. Next need is pitching but I kinda want to hold out and see how the young guys turn out to be
jdgoat
You never know with AA though
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
I’m with you we are still a year away from real contention in a year many of these homes will have filled themselves
chound
You’re a year away realistically. May as well sit tight for some salary to shed off the books, accept one more decently high pick (I mean 2019 draft) and go big league next off season. Braves are the most interesting club going forward in terms of future on field developments.
slider32
Really, I don’t see it they need 3 impact players to compete, all they have is Freeman,.Acuna makes it 2, Free agents next year aren’t going to the Braves with all the contender with money and loaded for bear.
Syndergaarden Cop
You’re bad at this.
petfoodfella
Catching is not a problem for Atlanta. Flowers & Suzuki made for a great combination. Flowers was the best framing catcher in MLB and lead the league in stealing strikes.
Suzuki provide some decent power, and Atlanta had the third most HR’s from C.
There are other area’s that are a more pressing need. Temp 3b, Temp LF, trading Markakis, SP help, bullpen help. Bench players.
lowtalker1
No he is wasn’t the best framer lol
jbaker3170
Then who was
baseballhound
Lowtaler1….Flowers “is was” one of the best framing catchers last year. He had 28.8 Runs Above Average which was better than any other catcher in MLB…which kinda makes him “is was” the best framing catcher in MLB.
RunDMC
Long term C is the biggest need. Yes, we have minor league options in Alex Jackson, Brett Cumberland, William Contreras, but no clear options. Flowers and Suzuki are nice bridges, but they won’t get any better than 2017 and what are they bridges to? One of them be nice as a backup of the future that could teach on the job and help mature our young SPs, but to who? C is one of the shallowest positions of the next few years, which is why I wanted ATL to show more interest in Realmuto and his 3 remaining years than Yelich.
realgone2
Need a long term catcher and we need a legit Ace. There isn’t a rush because we’re still a year or two away.
jbigz12
You’re not trading markakis. Guys like him are going for ~5mil on the Free agent market this offseason. You’re eating at least that much to find a taker.
antibelt
If only you had a left fielder that could hit 25-30 homers…
elmore80
Isn’t Camargo a 1 yr wonder? This team needs hitting. We have pitching coming out of our a”s. These young pitcher’s are gonna need runs. We can buy a top pitcher next off.season. who knows. we might not need one!
tbones3141
I truly think we should wait. We aren’t going to playoffs most likely this season. After the year, we have a ton of money. We get to see how Riley/Ruiz/Camargo/young pitchers do. My guess is we resign Flowers for 3 years to start then backup AJax later on then we go after one of Harper/Machado/Kershaw. If Riley plays super great then we go Harper. If not we go after Machado and transition Riley to 1st/OF or trade for the future. But, I feel unless we are getting 1 year deal for LF/3B then we should wait. I think we are on the cusp, but I think we really should get one of the big 3 next year. So the 2019 lineup:
Inciarte
Albies
Harper
Freeman
Acuna
Riley
Flowers/Ajackson
Swanson
That team has is as good a lineup as anyone this side of the Yankees/Stros.
Thoughts?
eli_b_wcl
I think Glavine would have done the fire sale better. He seems like he would’ve handled the PR better.
jdgoat
I wish Jorge Mas would’ve won the bidding for the Marlins. It would’ve been better for Miami and maybe even baseball in general
aff10
Honest question, though: aren’t the Marlins in a better spot now than they were 4 months ago from an on-field perspective? Obviously, the ideal would’ve been an owner willing to double down and add $50M to the payroll, but if Mas’ plan was not to do that and just keep the same roster/payroll from last season, they still would’ve sucked. Their rotation is Dan Straily, Jose Urena, Adam Conley, Dillon Peters, and Odrisamer Despaigne
aff10
Hmm, others are more bullish on the old Marlins than I was I guess
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
You’re not wrong. The Marlins needed to rebuild more than any team other than the Orioles and Royals and they are finally doing it. Too bad the new Marlins regime has been a complete nightmare from a PR standpoint.
aff10
Yeah, I agree entirely on the PR stuff. They could’ve waited a half-year I guess, but contention this year was never really viable. If they weren’t going to pour tons of money into the team (which seems to be a bit of a disagreement here, but even a $20M investment leaves them on the outside looking in), they had to tear down soon IMO
outinleftfield
Mas said he would have kept the payroll at $100-110 million which meant cutting $40 million from the payroll. How is that different from what Sherman and Jeter have done?
thegreatcerealfamine
How do you figure that? Do you think he wouldn’t lower the payroll with that mess. I suppose he would of just added and kept Stanton…
jdgoat
He’s on record saying he would have increased opening day payroll to 130 million, up 20 million from last year.
thegreatcerealfamine
“He’s on record” now is this before or after Jeter’s group was chosen? Why if that was part of his business plan presented to the league was he not chosen. Finally what if any guarantees he wouldn’t have jettisoned those players?
outinleftfield
Mas is on record as saying he would have had payroll of $100-110 million per Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald.
Last year’s season ending payroll per Cots MLB Contracts was $154 million and would have been $140 million on opening day if no changes were made.
jdgoat
I was talking about opening day payroll, but anyways, the article I read which was also by Barry Jackson said he would’ve increased it to 130, which was 20 million more than their opening day 2017 roster
tycobb016
Why would it have been better for Miami and maybe even baseball in general?
jdgoat
Miami would have an owner who invested in their team. It seems the current owners are strictly viewing this as a money maker. They probably alienated their players and fans by blowing it up like they did. I’m sure Yelich and Stanton aren’t going to their new teams and recommending Miami as a potential landing spot to their new new teammates either. It’s the same old same old from the way Loria operated
tycobb016
JDGoat you are right. Going thru an unwarranted unwanted rebuild on the south side of Chicago and it’s very frustrating.
101reklaw
You are correct. Jeter is coming off as a ruthless no holds barred businessman, ala Donald Trump. Marlins attendance was bad before, now it will be worse. It will be difficult to maintain a team in Miami with little or no fan support. Very poor job by new regime.
jbigz12
That’s a pretty low ROI for the marlins ownership group. There’s a lot more profitable ways to use That money then cut the marlins payroll. Hardly think that is their primary motivation. They’re going to lose more money next season. They need an actual long term plan.
outinleftfield
Season ticket sales have remained the same as 2017 and both luxury box and corporate bulk ticket sales have increased. I would say the pronouncement that attendance will go down is premature.
thegreatcerealfamine
They have a long term plan. Jeter even had a town meeting. Outinleftfield is right on the Payroll JdGoat is just trying to bash Jeter…
thegreatcerealfamine
They already had little or no fan support that’s been the problem for years. Did you just want to make an unfounded comparison to try and be funny?
jdgoat
I’m not exactly bashing anyone lol, I just don’t agree with how they’re operating. And what’s the link to the right payroll numbers? Evidently the numbers in the Miami herald column I read were wrong
slider32
If you read the Forbes article, all MLB teams are making over 197 million a year, so it some teams just need to spend more when they get close like the Royals did. Small market teams just need the right model.
shelteredsoxfan
Tycobb016, most white sox fans are in support of the rebuild
seamaholic 2
I didn’t realize Nelson had actually torn his labrum. If that’s true, the chances of him being his 2017 self anytime in 2018 are very slim. He may — MAY — be back to normal in 2019. That changes things for me. Brewers really need to add a SP, maybe two. They’re not going anywhere with what they have without him.
augold5
He tore his labrum via a contact injury sliding into first base, not from pitching. Based off what’s been stated, its torn in the back of the labrum not the front where pitching causes stress, and a more typical location for a pitching related labrum tear. This is still a significant injury, but its different then what happen to Pineda, etc, so his recovery will have a different time table
seamaholic 2
Oh. Did the Brewers really lose their ace in the middle of the playoff race by sliding into first base? Wow. Would have loved to read a Brewers blog the next day!
justin-turner overdrive
If I was GM, I would DFA any player who slid into first base. That’s the dumbest single thing any baseball player can ever do. Just an absolutely useless gesture.
colonel flagg
Well, he didn’t technically “slide” in the sense that you may be thinking. I believe he was diving back to the base after rounding the it on a base hit.
twentyforty
Sorry but you have this backwards. The tear was in the front. Labral tears are bad for throwing athletes no matter whether anterior (front) or posterior (back). Anterior tears are more common from fall-type incidents. Posterior are more common with usage injuries. No matter, it would be incredibly fortunate if Nelson reclaims his past performance not only this year but ever. The shoulder just isn’t the same after labrum surgery and any optimistic time tables are fools gold at best. And while Nelson is young, he’s still old in terms of already physically developed so that the shoulder cartilage is elastic enough to heal the labrum.
augold5
My bad on having it backwards, but my statement still remains true. It was a partial tear, and recovery for pitchers is faster with a bankart tear.
jonk
Well said.
twentyforty
The point is this, Milwaukee needs some incredible fortune for Nelson to return to the level of anything more than a replacement level starter.
jakec77
That’s an interesting lineup with Braun at 2b.
brucewayne
I’d bet he never sees an inning at 2B . Maybe some at 1B though!
TradeAcuna
Sounds like the Wren/Copp era. Tell your fans they are going to get high end talent and then settle for Nunez types.
bravesfan88
AA never said he was GOING TO make a high profile move.
He has stated all-along that he’s still really waiting to get a handle on his own prospects before pulling the trigger on a big deal.
Now, he’s said if the opportunity presented itself, he would get a deal done that he couldn’t refuse, but the odds all along have been against that happening..
The only moves he’s steadily been mentioning is NOT moving Ronald Acuña, and adding some competition to the bullpen. He’s consistently mentioned the thought of adding another third baseman, but he’s also still mentioned he’s intrigued by Camargo and does NOT want to block Austin Riley…
There’s been no false promises…
TradeAcuna
In other words, he will hold back. Keep the mediocre rotation and bullpen. Settle for holes at left and third. Finally, wait for all these prospects to lose value because most will probably fail anyways.
Braves fans since 1995- next year is the year!
RunDMC
Yes, because all the prospects have lost value since last year despite us having #1 farm system 2 years running though we lost the top international signee 2 years ago and a consensus top-100 overall prospect last year (top-100 on MLB Pipeline this year for Maitan). Some of them will lose value, but that’s prospects and we are doing it better than anyone else if you go by the most top-100 selections. We still don’t know what we have just yet and there’s no sense in premium shopping locking up guys at weak positions when we have guys like Riley at 3B/LF about ready, not to mention all the arms. AA hasn’t signed the patchwork guys like Coppy did last year, yet acquired fillers that good be nice trade bait by getting rid of a Coppy project (Kemp).
realgone2
I’m guessing you’re a troll. Every single one of your comments is ridiculously stupid. .
TradeAcuna
Allard is already losing his prospect value due to his fastball velocity dropping. Soroka is primed to be a middle of the order starter. Folty and Newcomb will be in the bullpen eventually where they belong. Blair and Wisler are garbage.
If not for Acuna, the braves would be between 5-10 in prospect ranking.
Also enough with Riley talk. He is a prospect, nothing more. Frazier would be a perfect stop gap for the Braves. Plays good defense and provides power. You don’t even have to lose your precious prospects here. If these prospects become anything, things will adjust as needed, when needed. Going into 2018 with holes in the rotation, bullpen, third, and left, this situation is no different from the last few years where people like you would reassure yourselves that prospect depth is coming. Once the 2019 season starts, we will still hear how the prospects are coming and how 2020 is the year. This will repeat over and over.
slowcurve
I’d love to have a starter that could bat in the middle of the order. Maybe Soroka can give Freddie some real protection.
RunDMC
If not for Acuña ATL would STILL have the most top-100 prospects in MLB.
slider32
AA and the Braves biggest assets moving forward are the young pitchers, he going to have to trade at least 3 of them to get better position players to compete..Hopefully he doesn’t too long like the Mets did.
RunDMC
Settle for Nunez? He would be a better option because he would be one of the few 3B options than can be moved to a super-utility role if/when Austin Riley is ready at 3B. He could an option, in addition to Camargo, if Swanson continues to struggle at SS. Mous/Frazier are bound for either 3B/1B for the next 3-5 years, which doesn’t fit our window. Why force it? They are not worth it.
realgone2
Just ignore this clown. He’s an obvious troll
Tyler 20
Ah i see you would much rather them spend spend spend and make a team that loses in the wildcard every year. I see. thats much better than trying to grow talent then strike at the optimal time and make something that can last year in and out. I understand
hiflew
Ryan Braun at second base? Wow, there is a solution to the outfield clutter that I don’t think anyone else thought of. Mainly because it is likely to be a disaster. But if it does work, his bat at second will almost guarantee him the 2B Silver Slugger Award.
Ryan Hilson
But then they need to get rid of sogard or Broxton plus Aguilar
stymeedone
Reminiscent to Jorge Orta playing 2B for the White Sox in the late 70s. Damn the defense. Put a hitter at every position. Not expecting it to actually happen, but sounds like a fun, out of the box, idea.
ReverieDays
How many times are you guys going to mention Braun occasionally playing first? We get it.
Surprisingly a Bucks Fan
just don’t comment and read past it
justin-turner overdrive
“So you like Ryan Braun, huh? But have you ever seen his Dan Uggla impersonation?” – D. Stearns
tylerall5
You win lol
AffixTomahawks
I like the idea of solidifying 3rd for a season or two, and I’m cool with Nunez. Camargo plays 4 times a week roving the infield. We also fortify our bench with whomever is taking the day.
Sit tight on pitching and let’s see the how the boys handle it!
Teharan + viz+ (highly debatable top ten pitch prospect) how about max fried (sp?)to Brewer’s for Santana.
*slaughter away u heathen’s.*
bravesfan88
Santana can be had for Teheran plus a Max Fried, there’s no need to include Vizcaino. That would be overkill in my opinion, especially with the rising value of effective closers/set up men.
However, I think the Braves should allow Teheran to rebuild some more value this season. His value, right now, can’t get much lower for his solid level of talent. Let Teheran and McCarthy rebuild some value, then trade them at the deadline, allowing Soroka and Fried or Allard to join the rotation.
In terms of position players, the Braves should stay the course allowing Camargo and Ruiz to man 3rd base. Now, if the Braves can get Nunez on a good deal, then grab him, but Camargo can likely put up similar numbers. Either way, Austin Riley takes over at 3rd in September and next season.
With Freeman, Albies, Swanson, Riley, Inciarte, and Acuña set in the line-up for years to come, the Braves should focus on aquiring another OF’er, and possibly a catcher of the future.
Although, the Braves may already have their catcher of the future in Alex Jackson, who had a great season and a great showing in the AFL. This will be a HUGE year for A-Jax, so the Braves should be patient, before making a move.
This season will be about identifying their young starters of the future, likely Folty, Newk, Gohara, Soroka, and Allard. Leaving Sims and Fried to either be used as trade pieces or bullpen pieces. The Braves will also need to identify key bullpen arms moving forward. They have Minter and Winkler being groomed as their prime setup men, and Vizzy as their closer. They’ll need to identify a few more men moving forward, possibly Lindgren and Biddle as possible bounce back candidates..
This season is about patience, as boring as it may be, but the Braves need to make sound decisions in order to best advance their rebuild. Identify your key cogs moving forward, and use your other talented prospects as trade bait in order to fill in holes. Then, acquire your other missing bench and bullpen pieces in free agency, or acquire one premium talent that you can’t pass up on…
inkstainedscribe
Camargo looks like a utility IF at best. He was red hot when he came up, but hasn’t shown anything near that performance in full seasons of the minors before 2017. If Ruiz rakes in ST, then maybe you give him a chance to be your everyday 3B. Otherwise, I’d seriously look at a Nunez or Frazier as a bridge to Riley or Demeritte.
AffixTomahawks
Ruiz has to show a lot of improvement during ST didn’t seem he really found his groove last year in offense or defense.
Camargo is the obvious between the 2 just because defense and utility. Also, if he can figure out those pesky base lines and continues to use that level swing of his than I see him as another sleeper hit for the braves this year.
Either way so excited for the up coming competition in ST! Yay baseball!
southi
I agree with much of what you said, but I have absolutely little faith in Alex Jackson becoming the Braves catcher of the future. He looks to have a Gattis like ceiling and I’m not sure that is what you want for your everyday catcher. I just don’t think the defense will ever be playable as a starter.
Contreras is my bet for the next homegrown catcher to step up as the regular starter. However that means it will probably be 2020 or 2021 until that happens.
Just my opinion.
Braves Homer
It’s funny we keep saying we have the strongest farm system based on our pitching prospects. Yet we keep wanting to add cheap veterans year after year. It drives me crazy after each trade that we acquired a ‘top notch pitching prospect’ only to have them never pan out. We keep getting fed the hope of these pitching prospects, who was the last actual big time prospect that’s actually panned out? It’s been a long long time….
TradeAcuna
Think of it like this, none of the pitching prospects are even in the top 20. The killer? The Braves best prospect was acquired by the Wren regime.
But hey?? They are #1 in the farm and fans now can sleep better at night knowing it.
chound
And at some point, you will get to say that about Coppolella… Which means nothing.
TradeAcuna
Except people crazed about how terrible Wren was even though the Braves made the playoffs in 2010, 2012 and won the division in 2013.
I don’t care about losing Wren but all Coppy did was trade away value for nothing.
They lost Justin Upton, Kimbrel, Miller, Wood
They got Wisler, Blair, Olivera, Folty.
I’ll give him credit for the Heyward deal because i knew Heyward was trash from the beginning.
and no i didnt forget about the Miller deal. Lets just say how lucky for the Braves that Inciarte worked out.
realgone2
Maybe you’re not a troll. Maybe you’re an idiot.
RunDMC
Definitely. Still love that he had a better shot at a GM position than Coppy does. Maybe he should apply with Crystal clear hindsight.
TradeAcuna
Keep digging. The point is, prospects are and will always be suspect. Your beloved Coppy clearly sold low on Wood, Upton and Kimbrel, while over valuing others like Olivera. It is nice to have great expectations and reassurance though!
RunDMC
opeths, Beloved Coppy?? You’re clearly delusional. Yes, he wouldn’t have had to sell low on Kimbrel had Wren not signed Melvin Upton Jr. to that terrible deal, packaging Kimbrel with him. Forget that? BAL can’t trade 1 year of one of the best players in the game (Machado) as they keep citing they want a “Jason Heyward-type” deal (courtesy of Coppy). For 1 year of Justin Upton we got Max Fried (a top-100 prospect & former 1st rd selection), Dustin Peterson, Jace Peterson & Mallex Smith (with got us Luiz Gohara, currently our top-rated SP). We managed to get 2 current top-100 players for 1 year of a player that was not going to re-sign with us (J-Up). 5 years of Yelich just got slightly better than that from MIL. Clearly Olivera was a bust that was unfortunate because of his off-the-field problems. I don’t think you can totally put that on the FO, but considering the dead money carrying over from Wren, Coppy had to get creative to fill the roster, and Olivera was a part of that.
Syndergaarden Cop
Either way, he’s straight headcase trash
TradeAcuna
and here you are again with top prospect this and top prospect that. Congrats, the Braves have 8 guys in the top 100. Reassurance is great, i know. I’m sure he had other offers for Kimbrel but decided on the Padres because he thought Wisler would amount to something. Also the Olivera said didn’t need to happen. He just sold low on Wood. Again going back at how flawed his prospect eval was.
One thing AA said earlier that i really liked was that he doesn’t care about being ranked high by BA, but instead he wants to focus on being good at the level that matters. One thing he also said was prospect value is subjective and he wants to learn more about what he has, which is a fair point.
I still believe this team should go after Frazier but i guess another 90+ loss season is okay as long as they are #1 in prospect ranking.
Braves Homer
Haha who was that? Kimbrel was the last prospect that panned out. Teheran has tapped out as #2/3 starter…I really don’t remember anyone else the last 10 seasons or more that has stuck around and been effective for more than 2 seasons
TradeAcuna
Freeman?
Braves Homer
Oh well I meant pitchers? Was Freddie Freeman a Wren trade acquisition? I didn’t know that…
RunDMC
No, drafted and developed by ATL same year as Heyward.
lowtalker1
Nope
Braves Homer
Yeah I didn’t think that sounded right, drafted by Braves in 2007
steelerbravenation
In all honesty I would like the Braves to trade for Chase Headley & sign CarGo for a year with an option. Let the young guys develop and by the deadline move McCarthy and bring up our next young SP either Soroka or Allard then move Markakis at the deadline and bring up Acuna. Next offseason hopefully an ace type SP becomes available. If AA makes a big move I hope it becomes Realmuto we should have more than enough to get him
Braves Homer
I’m gonna change my username to NextYearBraves lol…we all keep saying next year is our year ha. I’ve been saying that for 20 years now
iverbure
What do you all take that keeps you blissfully ignorant to how business takeovers work? Nobody buys a business and doesn’t cut expenses.
TJECK109
Didn’t AA swing the huge trade with the dodgers or was that made before he arrived?
Braves Homer
Yes that was AA
ldfanatic
Would Fisher and McHugh be enough to get Santana?
slider32
AA and Cashman should look to trade, the Yanks want starting pitching and the Braves have the pitching prospects, and the Braves need a LF prospect like Frazier. Seems like a good fit to me.
steelerbravenation
I know that the Yankees liked Folty last offseason when they were discussing McCann maybe Folty could get Frazier wouldn’t mind that
Blueshirts
Braves trade Swanson, Vizcaino, Fried and decent prospect for SP Carlos Martinez and jedd gyorko from the cards
noraj9
No.
Gary Rogers
Trade with Brewers\\\\\\\\\\\I.Anderson,Muller and Demeritte FOR Phillips and Coulter. Trade with Royals///////////Teheran,Markakis and S.Freeman FOR Duffy AND Herrera.==Lineup is Inciarte(CF),Albies(2B),Freeman(1B),Phillips(LF).Acuna(RF),etc. Rotation======Duffy,Folty,Gohara,McCarthy,Freid.i