Jan. 26: Pete Kerzel of MASNsports.com tweets that the while the Nats aren’t willing to include Robles or Soto, he’s gotten the sense that the Marlins may be willing to accept a package of prospects that doesn’t include either young outfielder as the headliner.
Jan. 25: As the Marlins’ offseason fire sale continues with the trade of Christian Yelich, it seems attention will now turn to catcher J.T. Realmuto. With three years of control remaining, he’s even closer to free agency than was Yelich, so perhaps only a sufficient offer stands in the way of a deal.
At this point, the Nationals are the organization that is “most heavily engaged” in pursuit of Realmuto, according to Craig Mish of MLB Network Radio (via Twitter). But the Fish are maintaining a high asking price, with Jon Heyman of Fan Rag tweeting that they are trying to pry top Nationals prospect Victor Robles loose.
Interest in Realmuto has been brisk ever since he reportedly requested a trade earlier in the winter. MLBTR took a look at Realmuto’s possible trade market recently, noting that the Nationals appear to be a strong match. As I explained in breaking down the Nats’ offseason outlook, the organization could be an ideal fit for Realmuto as they look into possible upgrades over veteran Matt Wieters and youngster Pedro Severino behind the dish.
Realmuto, who’ll turn 27 in March, is entering his first of three arbitration seasons after two-straight quality offensive campaigns. His arb case remains unresolved, but he’ll be cheap regardless. Realmuto, who is perhaps the only established young catcher who’s really available by trade at all, popped 17 home runs and slashed a solid .278/.332/.451 over 579 plate appearances in 2017. He’s an athletic backstop who grades well in throwing and blocking. Though his framing numbers have lagged considerably by measure of StatCorner, the Baseball Prospectus grading system felt he turned a corner and added value with his receiving effort in 2017.
So, can the sides hammer out an agreement? It seems something will have to give first. Jorge Castillo of the Washington Post writes that the club isn’t willing to consider top prospects Robles and Juan Soto — each of whom ranks among the fifty or so best pre-MLB assets in baseball.
The Nats are obviously weighing some other considerations in their pursuit of Realmuto. With Bryce Harper entering a contract year, the elite outfield prospects are of added importance. Washington is also interested in free agent Alex Avila, Castillo notes, keeping a free-agent option available as well.
Plus, there are competing priorities. As Castillo explains, there’s also the possibility of adding a reliever, with the competitive balance tax operating as a limiting factor. The report suggests the Nationals are “not very high” on closer Greg Holland, who’s the best remaining relief pitcher MLBTR’s ranking of the top 50 free agents.
For Miami, it stands to reason that there’s a minimum price tag beyond which the team just won’t be willing to deal Realmuto. Even if he’s disappointed with staying on board, he’d surely be seen as a valuable asset to help along a young roster and could still be dealt at the trade deadline or next winter.
Then again, the Marlins could take a closer look at the Nationals’ possible trade chips. Righty Erick Fedde and lefty Seth Romero could each represent near-to-the-majors rotation pieces in Miami. And shortstop Carter Kieboom could profile as a future regular at the position for the rebuilding Marlins. Plus, Severino or Raudy Read could turn into young replacement assets behind the dish. Of course, whether and in what combination those players might be available isn’t known.
At the end of the day, one of the two organizations will need to blink, or both will need to find a creative way to compromise, in order to get something done. But it’s not just a staring contest. Other teams, too, are surely still looking into Realmuto and could attempt to slide in with better offers if the Nats continue to be protective of their best young assets.
brewcrew08
Strap in boys free agency has started!
Thronson5
About time! I’m loving all this action.
Blake Camden
It was gettin to be rigoddamndiculous
Randy Red Sox
Marlin’s giveaways continues !! What a joke.
velorum
Don’t touch the stove, kids.
southi
Yeah I don’t understand why there has been so much grumbling about this off season. Sure, without a doubt it has been DIFFERENT, but the season is getting closer and the stove was bound to get hotter at some point. But also this off season has had some of the biggest trades in my opinion in several years. It has been interesting.
Thronson5
We’ve been grumbling because it’s been the slowest offseason ever! We are sitting here without our favorite sport and the offseason helps us get through and when you have a offseason like this one was it makes it seem longer than it really is before we get to start watching our favorite sport. We still have some good free agents out there that normally would’ve been signed weeks or months ago normally. Pitchers and catchers are reporting in about 3 weeks and we still have Arrieta, Darvish, Cobb and Lynn still on the market and to me and I’m sure but just me that is insane.
southi
Just think that if the free agent market had not been so SLOW that we wouldn’t have had all the discussions about why. We also wouldn’t have this huge flurry of activity and excitement that we are being blessed with now.
Thronson5
That’s definitely a good way to look at it. I like you’re way of thinking lol
JrodFunk5
Don’t worry my friend it will be here before you know it! I am a lifelong diehard MLB fan and consider the end of the World Series the saddest moment of the year, but we are almost there. Enjoy the fact that another great season approaching. The state of the game right now is amazing and we should enjoy the ride.
Thronson5
You’re absolutely right. Looking forward to another great season of Baseball..getting so close I can’t wait lol
brucewayne
Cuz it’s getting Hot!
stymeedone
At the end of the day, one of the two teams will blink, or look to trade with one of the 28 other teams.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
That’s a bold strategy Cotton!
Kslaw
Let’s hope it pays off!
melfman1
Realmuto might be the last piece the Nats need to close things out this season. They ought to bite the bullet and get this done. Another season of Wieters as their primary backstop would be painful. Hold onto Robles, use Soto as the headliner & throw in a lower prospect or two.
tbonenats
I don’t see the Nats trading either. If Yelich with his 2 years of extra control at a great price netted a top 30 prospect and back end top 100 guy plus filler I don’t see JT getting a top 50 prospect.
I would imagine the Nats best offer will be Fedde, Crowe, Keiboom, Stephenson. I bet the fish could find a better deal and JT goes elsewhere.
floridapinstripes
Harrison isn’t filler he’s better than Diaz who is back end 100 now. so that’s 3 top 100 and yamamoto.
I think you can get Soto but just lower a add on after that.
sandman12
Realmuto is more valuable than Yelich by a considerable margin – even for three years. 1) he’s cheaper 2) he’s the only five tool catcher 3) he’s durable. Soto and Kieboom are good prospects, but have been injury prone.
xabial
What about Wieters’ $10.5M player option which he exercised to remain with the Nationals for 2018?
User 2997803866
They’d find a way to eat it or ship him elsewhere and pay his salary or a portion of it to another team. Necessary cost when you only have one more guaranteed year of Bryce. Have to make this one count.
majorflaw
“What about Wieters . . . “
Wieters would become the Nats backup catcher. Which is probably a good thing as less is more with catchers over thirty. His salary is a sunk cost, just accept it and make the team around him better. This second year of his contract was a gift/appetizer for his (and Harper’s agent, Scott Boras) anyway.
lowtalker1
Lol
Last season I called this and y’all dogged me for it
How about them apples
majorflaw
Called what, lowtalker1? Got a link to me dogging you about it? Else your comment is nothing but empty self-congratulation.
RunDMC
Appetizer? 10.5M on Harper’s deal? That won’t even pay for the paper used for Harper’s contract. Appetizer? Maybe the pre-dinner mint in the washroom.
marinest21 2
Just like with Yelich, the Fish need to find the best offer for Realmulto and take it.
Obviously most Marlins fans hate this offseason, but from a baseball operations standpoint, what Jeter and Co. are doing is intriguing, and entirely necessary. They were never going to be able to afford Stanton, and once they dealt him, Gordon, and Ozuna, it was only a matter of time before Yelich and now Realmuto would go; Castro should go as well. If you’re going to blow the thing up, blow it up all the way.
Only time will tell, but Project Wolverine is acquiring high-upside talent with many years of control. It will take time, but the Marlins have a plan (and this is coming from a Nats fan).
swanhenge
While I agree that if you’re gonna blow it up, blow it all up. I still don’t believe in blowing teams up.
I have no skin at all in the Miami ordeal, but I will never understand why they didn’t just cut bait w Stanton and build from there. Such a great line up even without Stanton. Sad for Marlins fans.
thegreatcerealfamine
And how could they have “just cut bait with Stanton”?
Padres Armchair GM
Isnt trading all but 30 mill owed to him if he opts in cutting bait?
outinleftfield
Complete lack of pitching. The Marlins could have added the top 2 FA pitchers in the market and still not be able to contend. Of course, adding those 2 guys would have put their payroll near the luxury tax threshold or about $100 million in the red.
marinest21 2
I do respect that opinion, but the empirical data would seem to support blowing it up as a viable way to compete, even if it takes longer than other methods (such as being active on the FA market every year, i.e. the Red Sox).
Aside from stocking up on prospects via trade, I think what teams are realizing – especially those who are relatively financially limited – is that winning 75-81 games, or being “competitive” from year to year but likely still missing the playoffs by a small margin, is not necessarily wise, especially from a long-term perspective. Why? Higher draft picks.
#1-5 picks over a three-year period (where you would be if you blew it up) will likely return much more value vs. three #14-20 picks (where you probably be if you had 75-81 wins). Additionally, a lot of these teams that are purposefully tanking are trying to time it right so when these high draft picks make the show, they also come into an organization with little financial commitment on the MLB roster, thus giving them the ability to go out and sign top FA’s in order to capitalize on that window to compete.
I’m not saying this is the best approach from a fan’s standpoint, but it makes sense. The Phillies and the Padres look to be the next case-studies. The Padres currently have pennies on the books for 2019, which make them very interesting as a darkhorse to pursue the big names next offeseason. That is if they don’t blow it a year early by signing Hosmer to a crazy deal.
swanhenge
Fair enough.
I’d hope a few of these prospects and draft picks get them a nice roster that can compete. I also hope the FO knows that once a good blend of prospects makes it to the bigs, it’ll be time to start spending. That’s the model that seems to be working now (see Cubs, Astros). Sooner or later that payroll has to go up. Hope they remember.
Padres2019ha
Even so, they’re not spending $350 mil on Machado or Harper. Hosmer 6/120 and Kuechel 6/160 is better value and still less
realist101
It can go up some in the future, but it’s way out of the bounds of reality to compare the Marlins with the Cubs or even the Astros.
The Cubs are a revenue powerhouse, up with the Red Sox and Giants in the second tier of revenue just below the Yankees and Dodgers. The Cubs generate more revenue now that they’re winning, but even when they’ve been terrible they still draw a lot of fans and generate a lot of revenue because of Wrigley and the “lovable losers” tradition. With a new TV contract in a few years, the Cubs may be up in that Yankees/Dodgers tier.
The Astros aren’t up at that level, but they’re a solidly middle to upper middle MLB team in revenue. The Astros’ local TV deal pays them an estimated $60 million per year vs. $20 million for the Marlins, for example.
Right now the Marlins generate revenue that’s basically tied with the Rays for the bottom of MLB. The Miami market has enough people that the Marlins should be able to generate more revenue than they do, but fixing that isn’t going to be a short-term project. Realistically, the Marlins are going to need to go through this rebuild and operate with Rays type of strategies for five to ten years with the idea that if they can hit on something then revenue will follow and the team can up the payroll.
realist101
swanhenge’s idea would make sense for a team with a good farm system, or the revenue to add a lot of payroll.
The problem is that the Marlins, even after trading Stanton, had both one of the worst farm systems in the majors (maybe the worst) and a major league payroll that was above (or at least around the limit) of what they can support with their Rays-level revenue.
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
I agree that they definitely have to tear it down but it seemed like their number one goal was salary relief and not getting good prospects the Ozuna trade was an awful trade
Blake Camden
If you can get Realmuto for Robles, etc. then do it.
Mill City Mavs
Thank you Milwaukee! I’m back to checking this page every 10 minutes again!
southi
Well of course the Nationals should be pursuing Realmuto.
pplama
I think the Nats can get J.T. without giving up Robles or Soto.
Fedde, Romero and Kieboom should be enough for 3 years of Realmuto.
Padres Armchair GM
Robles, probably
Soto, not a chance.
Starts with soto and kieboom and foes from there.
So many teams can beat that package.
outinleftfield
Any trade for Realmuto starts with a MLB ready OF, so Robles not Soto.
Robles, Fedde or Kieboom, and a couple of lower level prospects.
Padres Armchair GM
Nationals most likely wont part with robles.
Soto and kieboom are just fine.
They already acquired brinson in the yelich trade.
If jeter and co were smart they offer carlos gonzalez a 2 year deal at 8 mill or less (1 year a club option at 5 mill) and if he has a good season trade him. Same thing wuth carlos gomez. Sign those two to play CF and LF and if theyre hitting trade them at the deadline.
outinleftfield
Actually, they are not. The Marlins have made it clear that they want MLB ready OFers. They got one. They just need 2 more to fill out their OF.
If the Nationals want Realmuto, they will have to give up what the Marlins are asking for.
The Marlins still need to move $7-14 million more to get to the $85-90 million payroll they have said all along they are going to be at in 2018. They will not be signing FA outfielders. That is a given.
Padres Armchair GM
Uh, problem is the pirates are also selling. A cheap option would be cervalli who, while not an as big of an offensive threat his WRC of 93 and 98 past 2 years is 30 points higher than wieters and defensively about the same.
Is also cheaper to obtain than realmuto.
Nationals could just keep soto kieboom robles fedde and go acquire cervelli.
tbonenats
If Yelich only landed Brinson, JT isn’t getting Robles.
Mjm117
Cervailli is owed 22 mill for hr next two years. J.t. will at best get 12-13 in that span and still have a an additional year of arbitration. Cervailli is 31 also. Pirates would have to pay a lot of his contract to trade him.
pileofsandwich
“Only”. Yes, Yelich ONLY landed the 7th rated overall prospect in baseball….
sandman12
Harrison was the true whopper that Miami landed, not Brinson.
southi
Yelich landed a lot more than “only” Brinson. Brinson himself is ranked by some to be very close to Robles (although clearly not quite the same). The other prospects in the deal weren’t just throwaways.
Robles for Realmuto might be fair, but honestly I DON’T see it happening. More likely something along the lines of Soto and Kieboom (or something similar).
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
there’s not a chance they trade robles for realmuto. he’s much better than Brinson who is headliner for yelish and his five years of control
MrStealYoBase
*7th outfield prospect in baseball. Still a top 30 guy but there’s a big difference in value between top 10 and top 30.
pplama
Yes, other teams “can”. But who else needs a C that will? Mets can’t. Rox won’t.
Lucroy also still out there., for nothing but $.
Padres Armchair GM
Twins, Astros come to mind. Rockies wont beat out arizona or the dodgers.
The astros didnt part with kyle tucker in the gerrit cole trade and could easily part with him to upgrade their C.
Phillies2017
If the Marlins want Robles, they may have to bite the bullet by taking on the Weiters contract. While I know that the Marlins are trying to shed salary, getting Robles would surely be worth maybe taking a hit financially over one year.
Unfortunately, I don’t think the Marlins would get any more than Robles (if they could even get that) even if they took the Weiters contract
notsofast
Nats need him most and will end up with the best deal on the table and that will not include someone named Robles.
Thronson5
This move seems long over due. I think the Nats are a perfect fit for this guy. About time we start seeing some action. Thank you Brewers and Marlins lol
sandman12
Soto or Robles and Kieboom. That’s the only way.
Caseys Partner
Alex Avila.
beyou02215
I know that you have to give something to get something, but if I’m the Nats, I’m hanging onto Robles and Soto.
kbarr888
I get the love for Robles, but with Eaton signed for several years, and Taylor breaking out a bit last year……why not move Soto and solidify your catcher spot for 3 years (and if you’re winning, he probably signs an extension….)
Realmuto was a SS when the Marlins Drafted Him. THEY converted him to catcher, so the guy can play…..could easily become Zimmerman’s replacement (he played some 1B in ’17)
beyou02215
I’m not a believer in Taylor and I wouldn’t bank on Realmuto staying beyond 3 years unless the Nats are the high bidder at the time. Plus injuries, injuries, injuries…
sandman12
Hello, Cleveland. Mejia and Tristan MacKenzie for Realmuto.
24TheKid
Won’t Mejia be ready to be the starting catcher soon?
Padres Armchair GM
Would you rather hope mejia is like realmuto or have realmuto if youre the cleveland indians hoping to competw with the yankees and astros?
Mjm117
Fish would fall over themselves to say yes
adshadbolt
Cleveland already has 3 good catchers they don’t need to waste prospect capital on a slight upgrade. Mejia will be the starter by midsession and he’s supposed to be better than realmunto is. And if they could ever get yan Gomes to hit again his defense is worth a slight downgrade on offense.
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
I agree that they don’t need to make a deal but when he is not supposed to be better than realmuto. it’s more likely than not and then he’ll never be as good as real Moto because he hasn’t proven anything yet. that said I wouldn’t trade him because I feel like they’re fine with Gomes now and then transferring it over to him for the long-term.
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
not a chance to give up both of those guys maybe meija as a long-term replacement for round Moto but they’re not giving up Mackenzie in the same deal. one or the other
Yankeepatriot
Seems the nationals saw my post on the yelich thread lol. Marlins fire sale version 3.0 is underway
Bryzzo2016
Now this move would scare me a bit. I’m really not concerned with the Cards or Brewers, the Cubs are clearly better, BUT the Nats and Dodgers… they scare me.
Jack Taddy
Any chance to throw in that you aren’t concerned about the Cubs winning the NL Central. WE GET IT. Brewers and Cards just take the year off its already been decided.
beard
I’ll believe it when I see it
Obviously he is a good fit, but he aint cheap
stretch123
Realmuto is worth about the same as yelich. 3 yrs of control for an all star caliber catcher. Premium nowadays. Robles is too much, but the package should be Soto, Crowe, Kieboom, and Read. If the Nats are willing to give up Robles, package I’d request is him along with Kieboom and Read…
tbonenats
JT is worth less. You are drastically undervaluing 2 years of cheap control for an OF like Yelich. JT will net a lesser package.
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
I think it will be similar but definitely less I think Nick could maybe get it done without Soto but will likely need to include him to get the deal done. Robles should be completely off the table
Goose
For his sake I hope they deal him. It is a question of how many games the Marlins lose over 100.
Randy Red Sox
Any MLB team that loses to this Marlins AA team should fire their manager.
Yankeepatriot
Castro and bour must be praying to the baseball gods to be moved
Padres Armchair GM
Juan soto, Kieboom, read or reatz, and romero
Yankeepatriot
You think the nats would take a dead salary like Chen off the marlins hands to drop the price ?
bruinsfan94 2
The Marlins would take alot of heat for that., Chen would eat up a lot of JT’s worth.
Padres Armchair GM
No, because thatd mean theyd be really messing with their payroll when it comes to having to replace murphy, rendon, and some of their rotation pieces in the next 3 years.
A contender wouldnt have much interest taking on chen. Prado ziegler tazawa maybe.
I could see realmuto and prado to the nationals. But then itd be soto, kieboom, and 1 of severino read reetz. So really itd just save them romero.
outinleftfield
That is the only way they would not have to give up Robles and Fedde as the headliners of a trade for Realmuto.
beard
Aside from his injury status (which is very troubling). Chen could be an ok 5th starter which the Nats need anyway. Obviously hes well overpaid, but if it meant getting Realmuto for a lot less prospect wise, it might be worth it.
ray_derek
Houston should be all over this
ldfanatic
Yes.
cakirby
Can’t help but wonder – if the Marlins take Wieters, could that represent a contract dump, improving their haul in a trade? Maybe that’s how they get Robles.
bruinsfan94 2
Wieters contact is not going to make the Nat’s give up Robles.
outinleftfield
The Marlins are not taking on any salary and they are still going to want Robles.
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
lol ha ha ha ha ha Are you seriously saying that the Marlins with this new ownership group would take back a big contract to increase Prospect Hall LOL you’ve got to be joking it’s more likely they include Chen and the Nationals Pay less.
bruinsfan94 2
Realmuto and Zeaigler for a package centered around Soto Kieboom and Reed?
yankeeaddiction
I am convinced there is no way this deal happens. I don’t think the Nationals have the guts to pay what Miami will ask for when you have the very serviceable Matt Wieters. Can the Nats win the division with Wieters as catcher. The answer is yes. They won’t sacrifice the future, especially with Harper likely leaving. The Nats will offer lesser prospects and the Marlins will turn that down and they will eventually work out a deal with another team.
Padres Armchair GM
Serviceable? Wieters posted a 62 WRC+……that isnt cutting it on a contending team.
Solaris601
Rizzo had to be aware signing Wieters was a mistake a year ago. Not sure if Boras sold the imitation snake oil to Rizzo or Lerner, but either of them should have known better.
pplama
Wasn’t Rizzo.. He was livid Ownership nixed the Robertson trade over $ after giving in to Boras, again.
slider32
Realmuto should bring in a top 50 prospect to the Marlins, he is in demand. The Nats- Soto, Padres- Tatis, Braves- Soroka, plus a prospect.
adshadbolt
Tatis is a top 10 prospect in baseball try more like Baez
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
status is in the robles tier no way they give him up especially for a guy that does not fit their contending window
connorreed
Tatis Jr. does not belong in that group at all. He’s a top ten prospect right now and could be number one overall at this time next year.
mlb1225
Wonder how much longer it’ll be until Bour says he wants traded, if he hasn’t already.
Solaris601
He’d probably prefer to be traded, but I’ll wager that his agent has made it abundantly clear to him that the 1B market is flooded, and the possibility of finder a taker is remote.
realist101
I agree with Solaris. It’s not even just 1B, but LH hitting 1B: Hosmer, Alonso (already filled a spot signing with Cleveland), Morrison, Lind, and Duda. Think that Matt Adams was smart to take a 1-year deal with the Nationals and not risk being left as the last guy in an overcrowded market.
leftykoufax
There may be some triple A team’s that are better then the Marlins.
slider32
They said the same thing about the Astro’s a few years ago. Marlins need to draft well in the next 3 years., they won’t get the top pick in the draft until 2019.
jdodge22
Jeez man poor marlins fans..if there’s any left. This team will be moving soon
Yankeepatriot
They might as well be contracted
cjuluca
Conversation starts with Soto.
outinleftfield
Conversation starts with Robles.
natsgm
Everyone on here knows you think Robles is the only way by now. Seemingly in the far minority in that opinion.
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
I’ve generally thought of myself as the high guy on realmuto is value but this guy is just ridiculous you’re not getting Robles
dematteo1982
As a Met fan…id love Realmuto…but we just dont have the pieces….unless Prado was taken with JT…and the prospect haul could be lowered slightly….making a
d’Arnaud,Gsellman, Cecchini and a lotto ticket prospect for JT and Prado feasable
But even then it wouldnt happen…
slider32
Your right, you don’t have the pieces, the Marlins don’t want those guys.
connorreed
d’Arnaud is a 29 year old making almost $4 million. He’s averaged 90 games the past four seasons, is a below-average defender, and has been a below-average hitter the past two seasons.
Gsellman posted a 5.19 ERA, 1.50 WHIP, and 6.2 K/9 in his first full season last year. At best, he’s a back of the rotation starter.
Cecchini, struggled repeating the hitter-friendly PCL as a 23 year old last season (.267/.329/.380), and did even worse in the MLB (.208/.256/.273). He has very little speed and doesn’t have the defense to stick at short. Best case scenario, he’s probably a utility infielder.
The Marlins will probably receive offers that start with two Top 100 prospects. There’s no chance they trade within the division for a below-average, injury prone catcher, a fifth starter, and a utility infielder – even if they take Prado’s salary (and FWIW, he was injured last season but posted a 3.0+ WAR in the two seasons prior).
Yankeepatriot
The padres, yankees and Braves farm systems to name a few can make AAA teams that are better than the marlins right now
dynamite drop in monty
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bravesfan
I’m gonna lose it if the marlins give him to the nationals for basically nothing. I’m sorry, but they haven’t gotten near the return they should have from the cards yanks and brew crew that they could haven’t gotten. Where are the braves, we have much better pieces and packages we can offer for yelich or jt. It’s not taking much apparently.
Yankeepatriot
you Have to remember that being a divisional rival raises the price tag if you are the Braves
R.D.
As a Braves fan I’d rather have Phillips or Santana from Milwaukee for cheaper than overpay for Yelich or a third good mlb catcher that we don’t need right now like Realmuto.
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
you’re right about the cards in the Yanks but they got a good haul from the Brewers.
Cuso
I see Raudy Read and think Randy Ready
Jamespfunk
I’m pretty confident the Nats won’t trade Soto or Robles to a division rival. Not many teams are in the catching market and Realmuto has already made clear he wants out. The price shouldn’t be that high. Plus when Harper leaves next offseason the Nats will be happy to have that young core of Soto and Robles in outfield.
Glydog
Right. Robles or Soto go only if part of a package for Archer. If can’t get JT sign Avila.
ZMZobeck
I can finally cook my steak
frogger6
brewers could use a catcher I guess…..
Garza Nathan
Houston Astros should make a package around Alveraz and 2 or 3 more prospects lower thwy can add in Zieglar with Realmuto.
ldfanatic
Fisher will be deal well before Alvarez. I could see Fisher, Martes, McHugh and mid-level prospect.
Garza Nathan
I think the only way Fisher goes is if and only if they get a LFer to replace him.
CARGO or someone else. Maybe a McHugh for Sanatana trade with the brewers??
REALMUTO would be perfect for the Astros
ldfanatic
Astros should offer Fisher and mid-level prospect for Realmuto and see where it stands.
sfgiants49ers
I have actually enjoyed the offseason since many teams are looking to trade for what they need instead of over paying players who agents want more since they know they get a piece of the pie. More opportunities for players who have been working to get on a mlb roster. The player is the one who sacrifices the most since they need to be fit and they must choose to be away from there families for a long period of time. Agents only advertise the player when it comes to them hitting free agency. I think players should look into getting less years to going to a competetor and win a world series then look for retirement money
sfgiants49ers
As for Realmuto i think i would look for a Trade to any team who is a contender but the Marlins should be looking for a top prospect Catcher because the Marlins are stricly rebuilt mode. We are going to hear names we have never heard off but i think thats fine for major league baseball.
Franx
Jays should go after after JT Realmato and Dan Straily, give up Bo and Morales as the headliners, plus a couple of prospects, hell throw in Reese McGuire
AmaralFan1
Yellich had much more value than Realmuto, Marlin’s fans thinking otherwise are just depressed the core has been traded away without an outstanding return. I am thinking Realmuto and Zeigler for Wieters, Goodwin, Daniel Johnson, Fedde and a flier like Joan Baez. Marlin’s clear payroll, Nats get some another million or two in breathing room under the luxury tax cap. Goodwin is major league ready, Johnson is the Nats third best OF prospect with rare power/speed combo and Fedde can step into the rotation.
connorreed
Since 2016, he ranks third among catchers in WAR (behind Sanchez and Posey). He has solid defense, plus speed for a catcher, good plate vision and contact ability, and above-average power. He’s just 27 years old and has improved every season.
He still has three seasons of team control left, and will make a modest $4.2 million. There are very few catchers of his caliber in baseball right now. And there are certainly none that are available, especially at his cost.
Wieters is making $10.5 million and Ziegler is making $9 million. They’re shedding less payroll than they would if they just traded Realmuto.
If that’s the best offer the Nationals put on the table, it’ll be beat easily. There are quite a few teams in need of catchers. I doubt it gets done without Soto, Robles, or Taylor. And if it doesn’t, it will almost definitely have to start with Fedde AND Kieboom.
Priggs89
Fedde and Kieboom? I would jump all over that if I were the Nats. That’s a no brainer.
tbonenats
I don’t see the Nats trading any of those 3 OFs. Taylor could have been part of a trade for Yelich but now that Yelich and Cain are off the market the Nats need a CF.
I think in general people are over estimating the value teams place on catchers. Catchers rarely get big FA deals and rarely get traded for big prospect hauls. Lucroy is the one big exception and it didn’t turn out well for Rangers.
If Marlins want best haul for Realmuto they will wait till deadline.
jbigz12
It’s going to take more than that. IF they’re taking back wieters contract you better give up more than just Fedde and Johnson. Fedde isn’t the prospect he was a year ago. Ziegler has more value than wieters at this point.
beard
I think the Marlins would have a lot more leverage if Avila had already signed elsewhere. Until that happens though I think he makes way more sense than giving up top prospects (assuming Avila’s asking price is reasonable). Obviously Realmuto gives them a catcher for the future, but they can figure that out after they know what Harper is doing.
realist101
Avila isn’t in the same universe of value as a player as Realmuto.
Look at something like the Baseball Prospectus WARP numbers (equivalent of WAR) that take into account framing and blocking. Avila can hit, but his overall value works out to the equivalent of about 1 WARP over a full season of playing time. He’s a backup quality catcher. legacy.baseballprospectus.com/card/58899/alex-avil…
Realmuto put up about 5 WARP in 2017 and 3.5 WARP in 2016.
beard
I’m not suggesting that Avila is the same caliber catcher as Realmuto but Avila + Wieters would still be an upgrade over Wieters + Severino, and it wouldn’t cost them top prospects.
I think they are hesitant to move Robles or Soto until Harper’s situation is known. Avila would offer them a stopgap solution.
hoya33
Realmuto for God sakes is no Johnny Bench. Nats aren’t interested in this. they have bigger needs that need to be taken care of. The likes of deals for Harper Murphy Rendon. I must be the only guy on the planet that thinks Severino will be a very good major league catcher his defense is outstanding. He will mature as a hitter and I feel he is ready now.
kbarr888
Hoya….
You don’t really KNOW Realmuto, do you?
He’s a rare breed…..a former SS….converted by the Marlins to a catcher.
He can hit,
He can run
He has excellent pitch-framing skills
And a strong arm.
He’s 27, and has improved at the plate every year.
He’s got 3 years of control left.
What’s Not To Like? Please list your “negatives” for Realmuto…..
brettmar21
I agree with you, there is very little not to like about Realmuto. I would love the Nationals to trade for him. However, they and many others feel Robles is a McCutchen clone. If you feel that way and he is pro ready then you do not trade that. You just don’t. I would probably trade Soto, just because he is further down in the minors. However, I just can’t justify trading a guy of Robles’s caliber on just about any trade especially considering how close to the majors he is
hoya33
No negatives, however, knowing the National’s like I think I do there is not a need to give up what the Marlins want and deserve for Realmuto. The Nats need a strong defensive catcher the pitchers do a very poor job of holding runners. If you hit 15-20 home runs and bat .250 that will be perfect Severino and Wieters can both do that.
Priggs89
Severino hasn’t hit more than 5 home runs in a year since 2014 (9), and he has only hit .250+ one time in his career with a reasonable sample size. Both those numbers are a stretch for him.
tbonenats
I’m a big Nats fan. Severino has potential. However, he has a long ways to go as a framer and game caller. He’s awesome at defense and throwing runners out. But his flaws make him hard to rely on.
Plus the Nats have zero chance of extending Bryce. Murphy has had injury issues the last two seasons so inking him to a deal now makes little sense unless it is super team friendly. I’d love to lock up Rendon.
I don’t see why they can’t do trades and try to work out extensions. Only way to possibly extend Bryce is make moves that entice him to stay and Realmuto could help there.
That all said I would not trade Robles or Soto for JT.
connorreed
I think it’s pretty optimistic to assume Severino will develop into a solid hitter. He’s 24 years old next season, and he’s a career .244 hitter in seven minor league seasons, and he has below average power.
He had an impressive 16 game stint in 2016, but he followed it up with a .242/.291/.332 split in 59 games at AAA and then posted a 14 OPS+ in 17 major league games. From everything I’ve read, scouts don’t see anything in his swing or profile that suggests he’ll ever be anything more than a below-average offensive player, even as a catcher.
marlins17
If not willing to give up Robles or Soto, then its gotta be 3 of Kieboom, Romero, Daniel Johnson, and Read plus a highupside filler. Quantity becomes important since they wont give up top quality.
tbonenats
If I had to guess…Nats best offer will be three of Fedde, Crowe, Stephenson, Johnson or Read and a lottery ticket like Antuna
slider32
They said the same thing about the Astro’s a few years ago. Marlins need to draft well in the next 3 years., they won’t get the top pick in the draft until 2019.
metsmosloyal23
PLEASE MLB do not let this happen
bruinsfan94 2
What? Why would they stop it
metsmosloyal23
Why would they trade him inside division first of all
pgmitchell
the nats have $70M coming off next years payroll so give up Soto plus for JT ..they have enough money for Harper $35M/per year….and that lineup this year and for the next 3 will be awesome.
sandman12
Taylor, Kieboom, D. Wilson, and Read is okay by me.
tbonenats
Nats aren’t trading Taylor, would leave a big hole in CF
beard
Eaton can play center until Robles is ready (that was their original plan). I really like the way MAT turned things around last year (and his NLDS was epic) but if I had to pick someone to giveup to get Realmuto, i’d probably try sell high on him.
tbonenats
Maybe, we don’t know if Eaton lost a step due to his ACL tear. Hopefully not, but I doubt the Nats want to put that extra stress on him.
Robles could probably play day 1 and Goodwin could fill in as well.
That said, MAT is not a very valuable piece to the Marlins. They want young controllable players.
sidewinder11
Nationals should be able to put a package together that doesn’t include Taylor, Soto or Robles. It would likely include one of Romero and Fedde along with Kieboom and other, but it’s not out of the question. Miami has already added Sierra and Brinson to their outfield this offseason so they may be more interested in getting prospects at other positions
TradeAcuna
Just give them Markakis already. Get it done!
cjuluca
I wouldn’t take less than Soto. Call Arizona and Colorado.
tbonenats
I assume they have already talked with those organizations. They will take the best offer they can get. I think people are over valuing Realmuto. Catchers, even elite ones, never get big contracts in FA and they are rarely traded for high end talent. I’d guess Nats make an offer of Fedde and Stephenson – two guys that can play day one for them – and 2-3 lottery ticket types like Antuna, Sanchez etc.
stretch123
Kieboom, Read, Erick Fedde and Seth Romero for Realmuto.
buzdon
Who would the Marlins want from Arizona for Realmuto? Maybe Tomas and Miller? The DBacks could use a catcher with a little more lumber. They may even offer to throw in Nick Ahmed.