The Brewers have made an official contract offer to Yu Darvish, according to reports from Yahoo Japan (hat tip to Kazuto Yamazaki for the translation). Interestingly, the original link was retweeted by Darvish himself, whose response of a thinking-face emoji could be interpreted in a few different ways.
Darvish’s list of suitors had reportedly narrowed to a field of six teams: the Astros, Cubs, Rangers, Twins, Yankees, and an unknown sixth club referenced by Darvish in another tweet. There was speculation that the sixth team could’ve been the Dodgers, Darvish’s most recent club, though perhaps the Brewers were the mystery team, depending on the timing of their offer.
Or, it also isn’t out of the question that Milwaukee has just entered the race for Darvish’s services, perhaps sensing an opening in the Darvish sweepstakes. MLBTR projected Darvish for a six-year, $160MM contract at the start of the offseason, and it’s fair to wonder if the Brewers’ offer was anywhere near that figure given the uncertainty surrounding Darvish’s market. The Astros, for instance, are likely no longer bidding for another top starter now that they’ve landed Gerrit Cole. The Yankees, Dodgers, Cubs, and Rangers were all either hoping to avoid the luxury tax threshold or simply weren’t keen on committing the payroll space required to sign Darvish. With all of these teams somewhat hamstrung in their pursuit of the star right-hander, the Brewers could well have liked their chances in a bidding war against a fellow smaller-market team in Minnesota.
The idea of the Brewers and Twins dueling for top pitchers this offseason was actually posited by MLBTR’s Steve Adams back in early November, with Steve reasoning that both teams had the rotation needs, the long-term payroll room, and a revived hope of contention in 2018 to make the pursuit of a pitcher like Darvish or Jake Arrieta into a reality. Despite some rumors about potential big-ticket signings or trade targets (i.e. Chris Archer), the Brewers have thus far made more modest pitching acquisitions in the form of Jhoulys Chacin and Yovani Gallardo. Milwaukee has also been rumored to be discussing outfielders in trades, perhaps to make another surprising free agent splash in the form of pursuing Lorenzo Cain.
Follow up article: Yu Darvish rejects Brewers offer
Would he be the first Boras client to turn down the top offer if that were to happen?
Unless I’m mistaken, Darvish isn’t a Boras client
You are correct Darvish is NOT a Boras client.
That fact alone increases the possibility that Darvish might actually accept the offer prior to spring training.
I believe he’s a Wasserman client.
My bad. So you’re saying the Brewers have a chance. Lol
Isn’t he a Wasserman client or something close to that?
It would be the first time Boras stepped in and rejected the offer for a non-Boras client
You sure he rejected the offer?!?!?!
I hope not, just so you look silly
don’t worry he already does
We already know his decision from Yu Darvish himself. We just need to figure out what thinking face emoji means. Does it mean, hmm… how do these crazy baseball writers come up with this rumor? Does it mean, undecided whether to accept? Does it mean, he is considering signing? Hope we figure out soon.
Were is that article
Come to Milwaukee Yu!
Hahahhahaahahhaaa best article ever
Not too many teams can afford to hand out 100M contracts. Brewers and Twins are two of them.
My point is that the Brewers are projected for 24th place. Something tells me a contender will offer him enough to keep him out of that purgatory.
fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=Standings
They won 86 games in 2017.
What purgatory? An 86 win team that is young? Seems Ok to me.
Beisbolista, before the 2017 season, all four of the wild card teams weren’t supposed to finish anywhere close to the playoffs. Teams like the Giants, Jays, and Mets were supposed to be back in the playoffs. All three failed miserably. And even if those are their projections, you can’t just write off what they did last year.
24th in baseball with a team who finished with 86 wins and didn’t lose much if anything? I can think of at least 12 teams the brewers are better than off the top of my head..Pirates, Reds, Braves, Marlins, Phillies, Padres, Giants, A’s, Royals, Tigers, White Sox, Rays. Wherever you pulled that from is wrong.
Then factor in the Cards, Twins, Mets(if healthy), Angels, Blue Jays, Orioles, DBacks and Rockies the Brewers will compete with.
So why bother playing out the 2018 season then? Since Fangraphs is always right, let’s just skip over the regular season.
Braves could be a darkhorse
Finally someone with some sense. This is why I stopped going to games. No point since websites will tell you how each player will do each day
fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=Standings
Since stats and analysis don’t matter, sure let’s just piss away $100 million!
They aren’t even pretenders for Dervish. They just don’t have the kind of flexibility left in the payroll.
The Brewers had the 5th highest BABIP in the league at .308 compared to 21st in the league with a .249 batting average. They also had the 13th best ERA at 4.10 versus the 26th best xFIP at 4.42.
It doesn’t take a genius to realize that the Brewers were really lucky last year and are due for significant regression in 2018. When you combine that with all the teams that suffered from bad luck on both hitting and pitching last year, you have a Brewers team that is rightly projected to come in under .500
So let’s just say that the projections are exactly right. Bad teams still sign free agents. The Brewers are going to be infused with young talent in the coming couple years, and have a bright future. If they are bad next year, Darvish would be like the Cubs signing of Lester. Or even next offseason, a lot of people are pretty confident that the Phillies are signing at least one of Harper or Machado. Sure the first season might be bad, but once they add their top farm, it’ll make the investment worth it.
But anyways, this is just if the projections are 100% accurate, which they obviously aren’t. I’m a big sabermetrics guy, but why play the games, right? Might as well crown the Astros repeat champions over the Cubs right now, that’ll save all our time
I don’t know about that. Braun is their only real commitment, and they have a fair amount of pre-arb players. That said, they are a small market team.
Too bad my Mets can only dream of being in the same economic space as the Brewers and the Twins. If only they were from a larger market with a better TV deal, then maybe…just maybe…they could compete with those juggernauts of MLB.
watch a game for once princess
Things are brewing in Milwaukee.
Only thing brewing in Milwaukee is beer
I’ll take that
And that’s a bad thing?
maybe why there are trade rumors with the brewers. move braun to clear up space
Not needed. Plenty of room for this year and next. That contract would be a problem starting in 2020 though.
As exciting as it would be, I hope the Brewers don’t get him.
I would not mind getting him if his numbers have come down quite a bit from the 6yr/160M he was looking for. Like a 5yr/110M type deal with 55M of it the first two years of the deal I wouldn’t mind.
I disagree. Hader is probably the only pitcher they have who has the potential to be a top of the rotation pitcher so they’ll have to eventually pay one or trade prospects for one. Darvish seems like his deal will be right around 100 million ish would be a steal, especially for a smaller market team
I agree. Not too many small market teams have everything fall into place to be competitive in landing arms like Darvish
2020 is the last year on Braun’s contract and it is at $16M with $3M deferred. There’s an option with a buyout for 2021. I think he’ll finish as a Brewer and retire after 2020.
Yes, but 2020 is when our young guys start hitting arbitration.
Isn’t 2020 when Braun’s contract is over? Thats another 20 mil a year you are getting.
Please yes, haven’t had an ace since Greinke!
Darvish isn’t an ace though imo. He’s only been so for one season
He would be the crews ace though
That I agree with
Not even entirely sure about that if Nelson returns to form. Surely would be a nice addition to the rotation if the price is right on the deal. Still gives them leverage to make a trade for another top tier pitcher and address 2B as well
If true then they must have been that mystery team that made him an offer a few days ago
Yes make it happen something jeez this offseason has been horrible haha
What are you talking about they signed their current ace Gallardo
Think he might be talking about the whole picture…
You have to be a Cubs fan with all this ignorance you’re posting. Probably a Cubs fan that thinks Schwarber in a trade for Trout would be a steal for the Angels and predicted the Cubs would win the next 10 World Series because Fangraphs says so.
Who’s your team?
What in God’s name are you talking about? Someone mentions Gallardo and you go on an epic rant against Cubs fans? As your QB once said R-e-l-a-x. Sorry the cubs ruined your season in late September in that 4 game series and that they have won a World Series in the last 5 years and you haven’t but dude chill!
That’s not an epic rant by any stretch of the imagination dude. Calm down. This goes back to his comments above about Milwaukee and how the Brewers have no chance to compete because Fangraphs says so.
I am a Cubs fan, and I don’t think those things. First, the Cubs would never trade Schwarber because he is the next Babe Ruth. And I predict the Cubs will win the next 108 world series, 108 years of not winning it, only fair to have 108 years of winning it to follow.
(before people say how crazy this sounds, I’m just kidding)
No one predicted the Cubs would win the next 10 WS so stop exsagerating. They did say the Cubs will be competitive and most likely in post season for 5-6 years. There window to win titles also. But a lot can happen too. Ask the LA D they are 0-2 since their window opened.
Considering they have 2 division titles – been playoff bound since 2015 when everyone talked about the Cubs – have had the best record in mlb over the last 3 years and been to the NLCS 3 years straight that better than any team over a decade and a world title I think they done pretty good and a lot better than Milw that’s for sure.
I rest my case. Grow up and get over it. I hate trolls n people who are just jealous of what they can’t do or don’t have. Milw had a great year and you caught the Cubs in a bad year with injuries too add. They still made it back to the NLCS.
This year Nilw better have it’s A game or it be a long summer for fans. Bank it.
Cool story bruh.
Yes I wanna see a desprate team overpay to get the wheels turning on what has been the most boring off season ever lol
They aren’t exactly desperate as they missed the playoffs by one game last year and are in excellent position in terms of their farm system. The future is bright in Milwaukee, anyone would be hard pressed to argue otherwise
I wasn’t speaking of the brewers specificity, just in general
That teams bad pitching staff is going to make it hard to compete again. Last year they probably played above their heads.
Which is why a pitcher like darvish could be exactly what milwaukee needs. Great young position players are going to be even better behind a legitimate ace.
Well dump that piece of trash Ellsbury n go for it.
You mean the SD Padres a couple years ago…?
I think a lot of teams just ate not seeing much difference between Yu, Jake, Cobb and Lynn.
They all come with question marks.
Are you going to get enough from Yu and Jake to justify the length?
Is Cobb fully healed and van he reach the level he wants paid for?
Lynn has troubling peripherals.
They may all be waiting, knowing a reduced field of suitors makes them have more leverage, while willing to roll, on their terms, with any of the group.
Are the Brewers still involved in that trade reported about 30 minutes ago, or is this the real story?
It could be both?
It sounds like they are separate to me. “Deal” could always involve 2B/RP for example.
Niiiice —This counts as Action
Go get ‘em Brewers!
The question is who is still just refreshing that page without even seeing this post?
Yahoo japan article has 150 comments, all in Japanese and I can’t read them on my phone.
Does anyone know Japanese? Lol
Japanese people, perhaps.
I hope Darvish signs with the Brewers: he’ll enjoy the sausage races and the international charm that Milwaukee has to offer.
International charm? What?
Well, I’m a regular visitor there, but Milwaukee has certainly had its share of visitors. The French missionaries and explorers were coming there as early as the late 1600s to trade with the Native Americans. In fact, “Milwaukee” is an Indian name. It’s pronounced “mill-e-wah-que” which is Algonquin for “the good land.”
Now that is well played Alice.
does this guy know how to party or what??
And Fonzi.
I kindly request that Mr Darvish declines this offer.
There we go sign Darvish. Then make a trade to Kansas City for Danny Duffy for Broxton, Villar, and Ray. Along with taking Domingo Santana, Perez, Wilkerson and Thames to Arizona for Grienke and 15 millioneach year of his contract his. Then sign Moustakes
That’s it?
Seems simple enough.
And still finish in 3rd
Finished second last year, but why let the facts stand in the way of a snarky post.
Who was talking about last year? Sounds like he meant that they will still finish third this coming year after making those moves…but why let literacy stand in the way of a snarky post
“Still” implies a continuation of a current situation. Last standings I saw had the Brewers in second. But don’t let English comprehension stand in the way of you saying something uninformed.
with those guys I think they’re better than St Louis that’s said there’s no way that all that
Could you include an English translation with your post?
You just spent 1 billion dollars of the Brewers money.
I’m not too familiar with the Brewers roster, but perhaps trading your entire bench could backfire?
this report is as bad as tje impending trade piece, no substance.
When there are no names whatsoever in a trade rumor, that’s definitely an indication that nothing is likely to happen. In about a month we’ll get it thru the grapevine some of the details of the trade that never really got any traction.
The baseball version of socks for christmas
With the young position talant the twins have, they are one or two top tier pitchers away from being a serious contender for the next half a decade. Admittedly I don’t know much about the pitchers of next years free agent class, only the hitters, but this could be the twins chance to secure a top the rotation arm that not only perform but passes off knowledge to a group of pitchers with high upside. Even a bit of an overpay should be worth it, and Minnesota as a state has a buzz about it’s sports teams at the moment. Even though the Vikings lost they were a game away from the super bowl, the timberwolves are on the verge of having a top 5 NBA team, and the twins are at the threshold. It’s like San Francisco in 2008. Not sure who would fair better in Minnesota but arietta and darvish are both great options in a slow off season.
yeah I next year’s free agent pitching is not good. there’s Kershaw who won’t go anywhere and then keuchel, and not a whole lot else
Kershaw, Sale, and a couple of other top pitchers that is why the dodgers have to get under tax this year cause next they are gonna be in bidding war with all big teams.
7 years 250-275 for Kershaw 35-38 a year Sale 7 years 200-225.
Sale isn’t a free agent until after the 2019 season Boston will surely exercise there option on Sale for 15 million in 2019
The Cubs are definitely IN on Yu Darvish. They’ve got the cap space, they just don’t want the years attached. They’re in on Darvish, Cobb and Arrieta, whichever gives them the best deal. Priority wise is probably something like Darvish, Cobb and then Jake last.
No they don’t have the capspace. Of course neither do the Brewers or Twins.
Twins do have the payroll. They had over 30 million come off the books this year and well have over 50 million more come off next year.
I know. I was making fun of the term capspace. I should’ve just not commented.
Darvish to the Brewers would be fantastic for baseball. I really hope this happens and of it doesn’t, I hope he signs with the Twins.
So the rumored trade was actually just money in exchange for a Darvish
Seems like a fair deal
Depends on the money.
reflect, I think they are seperate reports.
I think the brewers probably offered a 4 or 5 year deal with a player option worth about 115-125 mil.
He’s going to the Cubs or Brewers.
The brewers are trying to raise the price for the cubs.
No dummy the Brewers are trying to SIGN him themselves
Brewers probably couldn’t even match what would be the Cubs’ lowest offer to Darvish, so I doubt they’d be able to have any effect on his price.
lol wrong.
No your wrong froggy. You must be a sorry Brewers fan. If the Cubs wanted Yu that bad – 5 years 130 would have him in a Cubs uniform tonight. Milw couldn’t touch that offer and even if they could wouldn’t. That’s reality. You fans live in La La land sometimes.
In uniform tonight huh? You are so cool !
Any report on what the offer is actually for?
Por nada.
He’s not going to Milwaukee get real
why not?
Wouldn’t have to worry about choking again in the World Series since it’s unlikely that they will be going thee anytime soon. Love it when “big time” free agents consider signing with teams doubtful for a playoff run and then say “it is not because of the money”.
OCTraveler, the brewers were 1 game short of the playoffs last year. adding darvish and maybe another bat should give us a few more wins.
how are they “doubtful for a playoff run”?
Interesting. The Brewers definitely need a top of the rotation guy with Nelson out and he would be a great addition to the rotation. But I wonder if this is more of a move to try and get the Cubs to jump in and overpay for him out of a sense of panic. It would also probably get the cubs out of the race for less expensive arms like Cobb or Lynn that the Brewers have been linked to.
But that being said I’d hate to have quintana/darvish in our division.
If his price comes down I like this move for the brewers.
Theo doesn’t panic.
I understand he wants to get his money, but if he wants to have a really good chance at a championship either go to the Astros or the Yankees.
Cub fan here but also a baseball fan. I was rooting for brewers to make wild card. It’s nice to see a team with low payroll and small market succeed. They are winning with homegrown players for most part and being smart with money.
Pirates fan here and I agree. Darvish signing with the Brewers would be bad for the Bucs but I would love this move regardless. Nice to see the Brewers going for it.
Highly and slim to none chance he even acknowledges the offer
he retweeted the original article, pretty sure that counts as “acknowledging the offer”
He was trolling them. No chance he goes there. Despite being 1 game from the WC game. They are 4 years away from any serious contention. The talking heads mention they were in play for Jose Quintana but they had nothing else to talk about. They were never in line for him. They don’t have the players for any top player. It would take 5 or more players in their own top 20 prospects to even start a trade convo for someone like a chris archer. It would be a real shame if he went their. He’d end up like Longo a worst spot than he’s in now.
Guaranteed Longo is traded within a season and a half. He won’t even sniff the playoffs.
Personally I think he should have picked #33. They gave him #10 for some reason.
In a flurry of moves, and I’m serious, the Brewers make some serious noise. First they sign Darvish to a 5 year 115 million dollar contract. While their inking Yu they make a trade with the Ray’s for Archer. I say Davies, Woodruff, and Erceg. That’s a nice package for Chris. Then after that they sign Mustakias to a 5 year 85 million dollar contract. He’s only 28 and finally coming into his own, and in the prime of his career. They decided to move Shaw to first and deal Thames. Boston is interested in Braun as their DH for the next four years. Milwaukee, Boston, and Miami work a three team trade that moves a cheap Thames and Pina, and cheap pieces from Boston to Miami for JT and Castro. Milwaukee gets an upgrade at catching and second base, Boston gets a tremendous bat, and Miami gets relief. Santana moves to left which opens the door for some of Milwaukee’s young and talented outfielder’s.
Okay it’s a dream but with all the rumors lately to all of these players why not all of them? Milwaukee has the money and assets to build a hell of a staff and team.
Darvish, Archer, Anderson, and eventually Nelson would be one hell of a rotation with keeping most of their young talented fielder’s intact.
And for those that don’t know the Brewers that well, Anderson and Nelson we’re dominant for long stretches during the season, and if they became their 3 and 4 even the Cubs would have to take notice.
That doesn’t get the Rays to pick up the phone. Archer is among the most valuable assets in baseball. Takes Brinson plus plus.
Yeah, these trades are all bad for everyone except the Brewers.
That return would be adequate for archer, look at the cole deal.
Not even close your dreaming or just plain stupid if you think that will get Archer. Your whole trade mega deal is stupid can’t believe you wasted valuable time even posting that.
Two of them are free agent signings. Milwaukee only has about 60 million committed for this year and if they can move Braun and free up a little more money, signing those two players wouldn’t be a problem, and taking a chance on a longer contract for Darvish if that’s what it’s going to take to sign him.
As for the trade with the Ray’s for Archer, maybe it might take another prospect to make it work. As for the Ray’s it would be silly not to at least listen. The Brewers can offer an attractive package if they want to, within reason of course.
As for the three team trade I only thought of it because some Boston fan said he loved the idea of Braun there. Makes sense for him to go somewhere and be a DH. Braun still has an impact bat and will for a few years. Of course Milwaukee will have to take on some of the money. For Miami it’s been talked about how they need to add Castro to any deal for salary relief. I’m sure Boston and Milwaukee can come up with a package for a disgruntled JT and Castro to Milwaukee.
It’s called making deals that everyone is happy with, not only Milwaukee.
It’s my time, and if you can write a sentence without confusing everyone perhaps I might take you serious.
Don’t be mistaken by overvaluing Archer. He’s very good, but he’s not a shut down ace. As far as I’m concerned there is only a handful of them.
That’s not nearly enough for Archer. It’s gonna take at least 4 top prospects.
Keon Broxton
Burnes
Woodruff
Just to start throw in Thames and archer would be there’s. He would be miserable there.
I have to give u credit for making some bold predictions at least. most people seem content logging in just to comment things like: darvish will never sign with milwaukee.
I think the archer package might not been too far off, despite some others objections. -if hate to lose erceg though.
as a brewer can, I hope we can pull off 1/3 of these deals. people love to forget we won 86 games last year and are only getting better.
we aren’t 4 years from playoffs. realistically, our window is within the next 4 years. ..after that and we will start losing our young guys to free agency. now is our time to make a move.
I’ve heard that a possible Darvish signing may happen here in a week.
Projections are golden. Players never get injured. Young players progress and older players decline in a perfect pattern. Only the Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees and Astros make the playoffs in a bizarre upcoming season.
Good. IF he is truly willing to be a Brewer, agent can wrap this up in a couple days by saying “make your last/best offer” to rest of the teams……..and unclog pitching free agency.