The Blue Jays have acquired infielder Yangervis Solarte from the Padres in exchange for two prospects – outfielder Edward Olivares and reliever Jared Carkuff – per announcements from both teams.
The 30-year-old Solarte is the second infielder the Blue Jays have landed via trade this winter, joining Aledmys Diaz, whom they acquired from the Cardinals last month. The area was a clear point of emphasis for Jays entering the offseason, given that neither second baseman Devon Travis nor shortstop Troy Tulowitzki have been able to stay consistently healthy during their careers. Solarte may end up as a multiyear piece for Toronto, as he’ll make an affordable $4MM in 2018 before the club will have to decide on options totaling $13.5MM over the next two offseasons.
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Solarte brings experience at all four infield positions, with the majority of his work having come at third base. He’s unlikely to see much action there next season, however, unless the Jays trade superstar Josh Donaldson between now and the summer or Donaldson misses time with injuries. Solarte spent the majority of last year at second base, where he has posted minus-3 Defensive Runs Saved and a minus-1.1 Ultimate Zone Rating across just over 1,000 career innings, and that figures to be his primary position in 2018.
The switch-hitting Solarte is known mostly for his bat, having slashed a respectable .267/.327/.419 over 2,061 plate appearances since debuting with the Yankees in 2014. Solarte experienced a drop-off in production last year, though, as both his .255/.314/.416 line and .161 ISO underwhelmed. However, he did strike out in just 11.9 percent of PAs (in line with his career rate of 11.5) and belt a personal-high 18 home runs.
This trade brings an end to a decent tenure in San Diego for Solarte, whom the Padres acquired from the Yankees for third baseman Chase Headley in 2014. Solarte had been an oft-speculated trade piece over the past couple years, and with Headley having returned to the team in a deal with the Yankees this winter and shortstop Freddy Galvis also now in the mix after a swap with the Phillies, the Padres had a glut of infielders. As a result, they’d been shopping Solarte, whose exit leaves the Pads with Headley, Carlos Asuaje, Cory Spangenberg and Christian Villanueva among their current third/second base options (though Headley may be on his way out soon).
In Olivares, the Padres are getting a soon-to-be 22-year-old whom MLB.com ranked as the Blue Jays’ 18th-best prospect. The outlet notes that Olivares, a Venezuelan who signed with the Jays as an international free agent in 2014, “began to tap into his above-average raw power” last season, when he batted .277/.330/.500 with 17 homers in 464 Single-A plate trips, and has further potential on that front. He also possesses “well above-average speed” and the ability to play all three outfield positions. That skillset could make Olivares a major league regular down the line, per MLB.com.
Carkuff, 24, did not rank among Toronto’s top 30 prospects at MLB.com. The right-hander, a 35th-round pick in 2016, is coming off a year in which he pitched to a 3.86 ERA and recorded 7.3 K/9 against 2.1 BB/9 in 63 innings divided among the Single-A, High-A and Triple-A levels.
Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports reported that Solarte was headed to the Jays. Robert Murray of FanRag reported the Padres would get Olivares. Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union-Tribune reported the Pads would receive Carkuff (all Twitter links). Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
amendoza1539
The first domino to fall
xabial
Solarte aka the guy who has one of the best contracts in MLB (relative to his production)
His contract:
$0.25M signing bonus
Salary breakdown by year.
2017:$2.5M
2018:$4M
2019-2020 club options at $5.5M and $8M ($750K buyout on each option)
Padres were right to sell now.
This guy is the epitome of Swiss Army Knife. We miss him here in NYY!
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Needs a new agent. That contract is terrible for him.
soggycereal
he signed as an amateur
sss847
he also has a deal w/ fantex
dvmwitt
Sucks. I love the guy. But we needed to make room. Interested to see who we got for him
davidcoonce74
Good. Solarte is a terrible baseball player but hopefully the Padres got something of value for him.
slowcurve
Terrible, as in, 4 or 5 times better than you ever could possibly be? Hate to say anyone in the majors is “terrible”.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
There’s plenty of players in the majors that are bad but not terrible.
davidcoonce74
Literally every player in baseball is better than me; I’m 43 years old and haven’t played competitive baseball since High School. That’s a very low bar to clear to be better than me. Yangervis Solarte, however is a major league baseball player. He can’t run or field, so he is paid based on his hitting acumen. Last season he had a 94 OPS+ (100 is league average). So yeah, the one thing he gets paid to do he doesn’t do very well.
Padres2019ha
He isn’t terrible. He’s versatile and an above average hitter. But I’m happy w any upside guy Preller scouts
mlb1225
Though I agree davecoonce74 is wrong, don’t use the “well he’s way better than you ever will be” in an argument.
mrnatewalter
He’s a career 106 wRC+ guy. Just two years ago, it was 119. In fact, last year was the first time he was a below average hitter.
Not coincidentally, he also hit 20 points below his career BABIP.
I’m also not sure where you get that he’s a terrible fielder. He’s by no means Gold Glove worthy, but he’s also not putrid. It’s passable.
You talk about the guy like he stole your spot in little league. Geez.
axisofhonor25
Now now… they are called “lesser athletes.” But terrible is much more fun to say
bygarry
Jose Lobaton is terrible!
JaysFan19
The thing is… he’s better now than any of the guys the padres got will ever be
SanDiegoPaul
davidcoonce74 – Well yeah dude, were not talking about a guy we’ve been waiting to breakout with superstar potential. He was the scraps that were sent over from a severely diminished Chase Headley trade. That’s it. He became more than the fans and the administration had hoped for. He became a good ballplayer and a good presence in the clubhouse, a leader and a part of the Padres family.
He exceeded all of our expectations and tragically left a part of his soul in San Diego. I hope a change of scenery affects him in a positive way and he has a healthy and fun rest of his career.
Even if it’s in Canada the next few years. lol
xabial
You’re usually spot on in your analysis Davidcoonce, but not this time. “Terrible”? You act like he’s Yuniesky Betancourt (currently on Leones de Yucatán)
davidcoonce74
Tell me how a below-average hitter who cannot field or run is a good baseball player. Solarte sucks.
Padres2019ha
He was below average last year. The dudes wife had just died end of 2016. Give him maybe just a little break. And he hit 17 bombs in less than 500 ab’s.
davidcoonce74
Wow! 17 home runs!
dave13
David hope you don’t actually watch baseball bc at 43 years old you gotta be smarter than that
Padres2019ha
David, you’re drunk, and starting to sound like Ryan. Go to bed
xabial
Stop generalizing Solarte, “terrible” “cannot field”?
Your assessment of Solarte hasn’t been fair, and seems a little personal. Did he block someone you know in AAA from graduating because of all the pos. he plays? I’m not attacking you, David, that’s how you make me feel. I respect your opinion, but strongly disagree with this one. Here’s why:
xabial
Year by Year WAR (fangraphs)
2017: 1.1 WAR (8.6M)
2016: 2.8WAR (22.4M)
2015: 1.6WAR (12.9M)
2014: 1.6 WAR (12.1M)
Total: 7.1 WAR (worth 56M) his entire career.
fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5352&posit…
xabial
2017 Defensive Stats By Position (Fangraphs)
SS: 199 Innings, +1.3 UZR, +11.8 UZR/150, +1 Defensive Runs Saved
2B: 628.2 Innings, -0.4 UZR, -2 Defensive Runs Saved
3B 156.2 Innings, -0.8 UZR, +2 Defensive Runs Saved
1B 41.1 Innings, -0.3 UZR
Overall: +1.6 Def
fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5352&posit…
davidcoonce74
Is this supposed to redeem his defense? I watched, sadly, almost every Padres game last year because that’s what fans do. He is so very bad defensiveley at every position. Because he can’t run,anything hit to his left at short or third turns into a hit. Because he can’t run he hits into an ungodly amount of double plays and pitchers don’t even have to pitch out of the stretch when Solarte is on base (Which is an important thing; pitchers are much better when they don’t pitch out of the stretch). Padres fans, for whatever reason, hate Chase Headley, but Headley was a better player than Solarte last season.
xabial
But david, your post is backed, by just you watching his games. I believe you saw him play every game, and I know, you believe what you’re saying, as a real Padres’ fan. But you’re (unfairly) pinning the team’s failures on Solarte. The Padres need more help than just “upgrading” from Solarte. (term I vehemently disagree with. good luck finding a UTIL player to contribute 1-2 WAR year after year, playing most difficult positions in entire game — Second Base, Third Base, Shortstop and not completely embarrassing you defensively– esp. offensively. Trust me, I’ve had the pleasure of watching the likes of Pete Kozma, Brendan Ryan, and other Scrubs, play UTIL all over the field, but couldn’t hit a lick to save their life, completely nullifying whatever value on “Defensive”, they provided and “versatility”
WAR sees him worth $56MM his entire career. He’s never had a season less than 1WAR.
UTIL players who can hit, and won’t completely embarrass you with the glove (based on defensive stats like UZR, Def, Drs) aren’t a dime a dozen — especially with that contract. I think the player, you’re looking for, doesn’t exist, David.
xabial
He made NYY’s last spot on the roster, batting .429 (18-for-42) with two homers and 9 RBI’s in Spring Training. But it didn’t end there.
He started MLB debut with the Yankees, getting nine hits in his first 20 at bats, including six doubles and six RBI. He’s the first player in the modern Era (since 1900) to hit six doubles in his first seven games. (even started a triple play and hit HR in the same game^)
Nothing was expected out of this guy, but he continued to defy expectations, and contributing, forcing the Yankees’ hand several times, making the team as a non-roster invitee out of Spring Training, to getting traded for Chase Headley (Rare trade Cashman lost, in my opinion) His production didn’t cease with Padres, and they signed him to a club friendly extension.
He’s a good player (As I’ve proved, certainly not “terrible”)
But an even better person
davidcoonce74
My goodness; can you cherry-pick any more stats? I’m sure Solarte is a terrific guy; what happened with his wife last year is horrible and I would never wish that kind of pain on anyone, obviously. But the Padres are a bad team, and bad teams don’t really have the luxury of having below-average players hanging around and absorbing 500 at-bats every year; that’s how they continue being bad teams.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Brain dead
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U are an idiot. He is a good baseball player….batted clean-up most of year….switch hitter…padres best clutch hitter. Good contract and this is all we can get????? Another Jackass GM in SD! (AJ)
padreforlife
He’s slow error prone and old
justin-turner overdrive
Donaldson on the move?
pd14athletics
I would feel he has to be now. Blue Jays have so many good infielders now. Granted Tulo and Travis are big injury risks. I don’t understand why Padres prefer Headley to Solarte.
kent814
Padres dont prefer headley, just harder to move that salary for something valuable compared to solarte
lowtalker1
One year deal. He will be gone either way in 2019
outinleftfield
Padres didn’t get anything of value for Solarte other than a 40 man spot.
padreforlife
Padre fans thought they were getting top
prospects
SanDiegoPaul
“padreforlife – Padre fans thought they were getting top prospects”
Lol, nobody thought that. Sarcasm right?
HawkCharger
Guessing it isn’t about the Padres preferring Headley over Solarte.
It’s more about preferring that return on Solarte in a trade vs. the return they’d get for Headley in a trade.
SanDiegoPaul
HawkCharger – It’s about Preller trying to get something of value for an average, but somewhat of a fan favorite, return. This is the only way for Solarte to contribute to the rebuild.
By not being here and giving someone with more potential a chance. That’s business.
Geebs
I don’t see how the 2 are connected, you don’t move Donaldson because you picked up a couple of backup utilities players.
kenneth cole
Lol exactly
RedFeather
Well if they trade Donaldson for a few MLB ready players maybe. Jed Gyrko, Randal Grichuk, and a prospect would replace or possible increase Donaldson’s production. Might as well get something now especially if they plan to compete in 2018 with the possibility of a small rebuild after the year.
Houston We Have A Solution
would donaldson for Gyorko, Grichuk, Bader, Flaherty, and Hudson work for the blue jays?
I mean the cardinals clear their OF issues and pick up donaldson to pair with ozuna, fowler, and pham
Jays pick up donaldson replacement and grichuk for 3 years, bader for 6, and two mlb ready pitchers in flaherty and hudson while cards keep weaver reyes.
RedFeather
Thats a huge overpay for the Cardinals. No way they give up that much for one year of Donaldson. Might as well offer that package for Machado. Which I’m sure their offer to the O’s was much smaller than that.
davbee
Grichuk is just not very good and Gyrko is not a good fit for a rebuilding team. You can’t just trade your extra garbage and expect to land Donaldson.
cards81
Lol no way…that would get Yelich imo…I’d give Gyorko for replacement, Hudson for pitching, and either Grichuk or an outfield prospect but no way would I give up flaherty…unless it’s flaherty and Gyorko only
Geebs
I think Donaldson is viewed to hold more value then Machado right now and is likelier to be a pre-free agency extension candidate. The only scenario Machado is more appealing right now is if they think they can get an extension with him and/or if they want to use him at Shortstop.
As for the package, neither the Jays or O’s absolutely have to move Donaldson or Machado, specifically Donaldson so either team can set there price high and just stick to.
kenster84
*than…….*their…..*it
brucewayne
That’s way too much for 1 year of Donaldson !
warren r.
This trade has nothing to do with Donaldson. The Blue Jays needed to replenish their infield bench after non-tendering Ryan Goins and Darwin Barney leaving for free agency. With this trade plus the trade for Aledmys Diaz, they’ve finished that.
RedFeather
They keep saying they plan to compete in 2018.. in that division- I would be a little anxious that they haven’t at least been linked to a big name FA or trade candidate. Plus they haven’t official said they “won’t trade Donaldson” this offseason.
warren r.
“We’re trying to win, and I can’t imagine our team being better without Josh Donaldson.” — GM Ross Atkins, two weeks ago
jimmertee
Donaldson is gone, just a matter of when not if. Shatkins hasn’t signed anyone above 3 years and Donaldson going to want 5+ at at least 25m AAV. No way Shatkins is signing him, so he is gone.
Jays gave up two decent prospects too for Solarte, one is going to be a good to very good MLB level player one day.
That still doesn’t address the Jays needs for #1`, #3, 40% catcher, RF, and a shutdown lefty reliever, but Solarte is a good piece. #scoutseyes
warren r.
Calling Carkuff a “decent prospect” is really generous of you. Many people who observe the Blue Jays minor league system professionally don’t consider him that highly. And why would they? He was an over-age 35th round pick.
iverbure
Jimmertee you aren’t a scout firstly, stop playing pretend and get back to reality here on earth.
Secondly if Donaldson is going to be traded he’s far more likely to be traded at the deadline unless he brings back a haul of players this year that helps them compete.
jimmertee
The Jays will not compete in 2018, they do not have the rotation horses. Time will bare out what I am saying, just watch the season unfold. #Scoutseyes
jimmertee
And MPiazza was a 62 rd pick, KHernanadez a 42nd rd, MBeuhreule a 38th rd, Kevin Pillar by the Jays in the 32nd round, Orlando Hudson by the Jays in the 43rd round, so what? Carkuff is a decent reliever prospect, not elite, not very good but a good prospect. #scoutseyes
Padres2019ha
#pleasestopwiththe#scoutseyes
xabial
@RedFeather, Blue Jays have been the team, most linked to FA 1B/OF Jay Bruce.
He’s a ‘big name’ in his own right.
RedFeather
You guys didn’t win when you had EE, Joey Bats, Tulo, Donaldson, Russell Martin, Daivd Price, Stroman, Dickey, Estrata, Buehrle, Celcil, and Morales., etc How can you possibly think you can compete with your current roster against Judge-Stanton-Sanchez and the Yankees and the Red Sox? Please… I’m listening. Jays fans are in denial and if I were a Jays fan I would be pissed they are not selling their top dogs for great prospects or controllable MLB players with high high ceilings. There are rumblings that they are trying to sell the team so maybe they will see how this season pans out? Window is shutting and the front office is just prying a rickety stick in it hoping it holds together for 2018.
jimmertee
Redfeather you are correct. Blue Jays window shut a year ago. They need to totally rebuild. But you hit it correct again, this team is being run now for money, butts in the seats and a max selling price as the new Rogers CEO refocuses the corporation to core assets as his history has show he will do. It is not being run to win as a first priority like wehn Beeston and AA were runing the show. The first priority is clearly wealth.
Unfortunately they will run status quo UNLESS the fans start screaming and don’t put eyesball on the TV sets and don’t put their butts in the seats. The lack of money will talk volumes.
brucewayne
But do they have SCOUTSEYES ?
infieldflyrule
Jimmertree, in T.O. winning is wealth. It’s not a market like St. Louis where there is a deeper understanding. If they aren’t in the hunt then attendance drops 40%, so it’s a fine line. JD is the face of the organization, so my guess is if they really suck they will move him at the deadline. Gyrko and Grichuk et al won’t be good enough preseason.
My non scout eyes, just a humble blue jays fans eyes.
spudchukar
I just don’t see Gyorko as part of the deal. Wisdom would be a better option for both teams. Grichuk is no bum, and in Rogers Center he would be in the 30-35 HR range, with excellent base running and a great glove. Only an average arm but accurate, and of course lots of K’s and a .250 average. Add in Flaherty or Hudson plus another so-so prospect and the Jays should jump at the deal.
terrymesmer
> How can you possibly think you can compete with your current roster
Because the current roster is not the final roster.
Before the Solarte trade, FanGraphs ranked the Jays #6 in the AL.
fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=Standings
They are about $35M below last year’s final expenditure. There will be a few more modest depth acquisitions with some money left over for the trade deadline.
I don’t think they can sign a star, but I’ll take Jerrod Dyson to platoon in LF with Pearce, a fifth starter such as Brett Anderson or Jhoulys Chacín, and Rene Rivera, with cash to spare. We just have to catch the Angels, after all, whose 2017 rotation was led by Nicky Nolasco (the only LAA starter to throw 150+ innings)..
tbone0816
Donaldson possibly to the Cardinals
DVail1979
While I understand that Donaldson could walk soon for nothing so shopping him makes sense … why in the world does everyone jump to the “Donaldson is definitely being traded soon now … Acquiring Solarte means the Jays HAVE to”. Solarte is a good infielder on a solid contract and while it gives Toronto more depth behind Donaldson it does NOT mean anything is imminent sheesh lol
DVail1979
We’ve all witnessed how slow this offseason has moved outside of a Miami firesale really … but now everyone believes one minor trade for a very good depth piece means Donaldson is gone soon? It COULD happen but getting Solarte means nothing much towards it
RedFeather
Because the rumors continue and the Jays have yet to shut them down by saying “We are not trading Donaldson this offseason”
jbs32
How many times do they have to say they wont trade Donaldson unless it makes this years team better and they dont envision that happening before you accept that theyve said it isnt happening? If it does its gone against everything Theyve said. Its even come out there are no current talks
El Nacho
Nah, they’ve just finally accepted the fact that Troy and Devin can’t stay healthy. He’s maybe a short term gap to V Jr. if they are out of it and JD moves elsewhere in July.
Momus
Possibly, but this move has more to do with covering for the near-certainty that Tulo and Travis will miss over 100 combined games like they always do. Last year the Jays rolled a combined -1.3 WAR worth of fill-in guys at MI and Solarte should be better than that.
Alex Graboyes
Mlb needs a faster free agency
wrigleywannabe
this was a trade, not FA.
It’s not a race, either.
Thronson5
Maybe he meant faster moving offseason? I agree..this was the slowest moving offseason I’ve ever seen.
slider32
Another example of GM’s trading first instead of getting free agents. Big change this winter.!
rybowski
I’m imagining he means that players should hit free agency before their 7th or 8th season.
dynamite drop in monty
Back to your video games, kiddo.
Thronson5
Back to being a internet tough guy bashing someone over a comment, old man.
Putmeincoach12
Man, you guys are brutal.
Bashing someone for bashing someone.
nymetsking
Not bashing someone for bashing someone’s bashing of someone? Softy.
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
why it’s an open market and they can get players when they want
velorum
I still honestly miss him on the Yankees
kenneth cole
He was good for a month and a half. Don’t miss him
halofan20
Wow lol
dirtbagfreitas
Solarteeeeee
HeyBroItsBrad
Solarte has been productive in Petco. This seems like good fit to me.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Shouldda traded Headley instead
davidcoonce74
Headley was better last year than Solarte. Solarte is a really bad baseball player
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
And you are a really bad commenter.
davidcoonce74
Probably; but I don’t get paid to comment. Solarte gets paid to do one thing, which is hit, and he really isn’t very good at that.
Padres2019ha
ditto to you sir
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
102 OPS+ for the Padres in 2014, 108 in 2015 and 118 in 2016. So he’s got a nice track record. Not to mention being a fantastic clubhouse presence, especially with all the young Latin American players on the roster.
davidcoonce74
I like how you omitted the 2017 OPS+.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
And I like how you omitted the other seasons. I’ll take his full track record over one below average season and if he continues to underperform the rest of his contract is in club option form so it’s a no-lose proposition for us.
davidcoonce74
Have you ever watched Solarte play baseball?
websoulsurfer
Like you omitted the rest of his career in your posts? He is an above average hitter with exceptional versatility who just went through the worst thing that can happen to a man, his wife dying. The Blue Jays just made a great pickup and gave up nothing except a 40-45 FV prospect in return.
davidcoonce74
Have you watched Solarte play baseball?
padreforlife
He got benched for not hustling yea that’s a leader. He was nothing but role player
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Plenty of times and he was one of my favorites to watch play
filthyrich
Missed about six weeks with oblique injury in 2017.
Haven’t seen a lot of Solarte but I recall Edwin Encarnacion took awhile to get going after oblique injury in 2016.
Can’t imagine Solarte had an easy time getting through the season. Fresh start should be nice.
Worries that there may be more core injuries in his future. Comments about benched for not hustling and the lack of speed are also a concern.
Home/road splits surprised me to see no real difference.
Closer inspection has me hopeful that his first full season just dragged down the road splits.
The stats suggest he found a comfort level, but even a couple seasons isn’t a large enough sample for me to say it’s not a coincidence.
Still seems like more upside than bringing back Goins/Barney or some other alternative. Also more downside but I’ll take that coin flip.
Forgive Solarte david! He probably had a good reason for not signing those autographs for you.
bencole
Yeah but Headley’s worthless
davidcoonce74
Headley is more valuable than Solarte. He can at least field a position, which Solarte can’t do. Headley is also a better hitter than Solarte.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
You forgot to mention being a clubhouse cancer and being signed to a contract that doesn’t provide any kind of surplus value.
padreforlife
Yea someone forced Yankees to give him that $ his power # morph journeyman Solarte
BravesCanada
……they already did that….two years ago
BravesCanada
I take it back
HaveUseenMyBaseball
You dont know what was being offered for Headley. For all we know the return for Solarte could better.
cubsbearsbulls2018
That and there’s no guarantee anyone would even want Headley.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
I don’t care what was being offered for Headley. Getting rid of his mopey ass would have been addition by subtraction.
Padres2019ha
They can still trade him. Go with Spang/Villanueva at 3b. Spang needs to prove the last half of the season wasn’t a fluke and flip him at deadline.
Kenleyfornia74
Not good if you are a Donaldson fan
DRod35
I wonder if this means Donaldson could be on the move soon?
jimmertee
To answer your question from above comment:, Donaldson is gone, just a matter of when not if. Shatkins hasn’t signed anyone above 3 years and Donaldson going to want 5+ at at least 25m AAV. No way Shatkins is signing him, so he is gone.
Jays gave up two decent prospects too for Solarte, one is going to be a good to very good MLB level player one day.
That still doesn’t address the Jays needs for #1`, #3, 40% catcher, RF, and a shutdown lefty reliever, but Solarte is a good piece. #scoutseyes
bluejaysfan
Repost your response again and see if your point makes more sense the third time.
jimmertee
Not many people read the entire blogs but only those comments that they have made in response, so I have reposted in order to continue the Blue Jays conversation and answer specific questions asked of me in other places in the blog.
I salute you for reading more than just one or two comments. You seem to be a good fan.
brucewayne
You forgot SCOUTSEYES !
AngelsAdvocate
This doesn’t help Solarte, the Blue Jays or Padres.
No surprise.
eduardoaraisa98
Padres have too much decent infield depth and still in the process of a rebuild. Blue Jays infield is getting injured constantly, so now they have a good backup for Donaldson and Tulo. It’s a win win
dvmwitt
Huh? Padres have a glut of infielders. Someone had to go. Solarte and his contract were probably the easiest to move. Olivares sounds like a solid player that is coming into his own (RH hitting Franchy Cordero). Blue Jays get insurance at 2B and 3B. Sounds like a good trade for both teams.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
A trade from their infield depth was expected, especially with Solarte. I wonder who they’ll be getting back.
outinleftfield
Looks like the Blue Jays garbage. They cleared one 40 man spot for Stammen. One more to go to fit the Japanese submariner.
jmamone
This is just going to be bench depth… for this year, but insurance for next is Donaldson leaves. i.e Smoak.
czontixhldr
Another trade to upgrade vs. signing aging FA’s? What are MLB GM’s thinking?
Priggs89
That they don’t want to waste a ton of money on mediocre players.
czontixhldr
Exactly!
Sorry if the sarcasm wasn’t apparent.
outinleftfield
Need to add #sarcasm hashtag. People take everything literally on here.
clrrogers 2
Good pickup. Now let’s focus on the OF and 5th starter. A lefty reliever wouldn’t hurt either.
jimmertee
5th starter?
That still doesn’t address the Jays needs for #1`, #3, 40% catcher, RF, and a shutdown lefty reliever, but Solarte is a good piece. Sanchez will head to the pen eventually because of his finger, and Estrada is on his last legs because of the back, Happ will regress further. The Jays rotation is awful. It may start the year okay but by the allstar break we’ll see how old and broken it is. #scoutseyes
iverbure
#youarentascout #learnhow2hashtag
Jays rotation is awful ok.
jimmertee
Actually I was a birddog scout for the Mtwins and MLB scouting Bureau back in the day. I had a player recommended drafted by the Jays and one drafted by the Yankees. #nowyouknow
jdgoat
Stop
websoulsurfer
Blue Jays rotation of Stroman, Sanchez, Happ, Estrada, Biagini is a very strong one. The question mark is health.
brucewayne
Bingo!
brucewayne
Wait a minute, on another post , you said you were a “Scout” for the Braves! Now which is it? I’d bet it was NONE! #LIARSEYES
georgebell 2
Sanchez is headed to the bullpen due to blisters? Where do you get this stuff?
jimmertee
According to the media, Sanchez finger is being called healed but in truth, the Jays and the medical people are “hoping” that it is healed. Where do I get this stuff? I know someone in the room who disagrees with the assessment that the finger is healed and they are telling me that the torgue force on Sanchez’s hand when he rolls the curve is so great due to his delivery, that there is no way that his finger is going to stay together longterm unless they get some medical miracle help.
I trust the source on this one. Never let me down before. Let’s watch to see if the prediction is correct and Sancehz heads to the pen.
There is another solution though. At somepoint, the Jays may shelf the curveball and teach him something else. He’ll get hammered without the curve eventually, so he has to develop another 3rd pitch.
aussiejaysfan
Must be inside information from that jays prospect he allegedly had a hand in drafting. The guy constantly spruiks his garbage about the jays needing basically a whole new team and needing a 500 mil payroll as if that’s how ball clubs are run. Not sure how one of the best rotations in the majors from two years ago turns into awful. I also would like to know what decent catcher would be happy to catch 40% of the time like he always suggests too. Oh and the SS superstar that we are going to sign and Tulo magically just disappears. Honestly. Scouts eyes? Try turning your GM eyes on and learning how the whole thing works
jimmertee
I know how the whole MLB thing works, I have been President of a company for 16 yrs. I am not dealing with the financials in my comments, just what is needed on the Jays. I said the same thing last year about them, called most of the 2017 decline accdurately and I called it back in the end of 2016.
You will see by the allstar break in 2018, that what I am calling is mostly accurate. The rotation is old and injury prone. The Jays don’t have a true #1 because of Sanchez finger, and he will end up in the pen or on the DL. I hope I am wrong and my friend “in the room” is wrong, but I doubt it. Stroman is a good #2. Happ will regress further from last year and repeating what I said last year, Estrada’s back is putty and he can’t get over the top in hsi delivery start and start for too long before he losses command and then he gets hammered.
As far as scouting goes, perhaps you should read these blogs more or be polite and ask, I have been a Mtwins Birddog scout and a MLB Bureau Scout and I have had a player that I have recommended drafted by the Yankees and the Jays.
I have also have been a GM and manager in a AAA amateur club, the league that the MLB clubs draft from. #scoutseyes
aussiejaysfan
MLB scout, GM, AAA manager and have been president of a company for 16 years. Where do you find the time jimmertee!! I do however find it hard to believe anyone who has any sort of knowledge or insight Into an organisation would come on here constantly call out other presidents on their “Kool aid” no one cares what you do in real life mate. You don’t need to make up back stories to give out your opinion. I think it’s a garbage opinion whether you are the president of a country or a meter maid.
raef715
yes, that doesnt really add up…and what is this AAA league that mlb clubs draft from?
Padres2019ha
burn sizzle
jimmertee
Please notice I don;t get personal or feel the need to insult people or tell them how to write, act, just share views and my own experience.
Let’s be professional and keep it focussed on baseball: Time will bare out what I am saying: by the All star break this team and it’s rotation barring major upgrades, trades or surprises from the minors will be out of contention.
bluejaysfan
Hahahahahahaha, you’re a beauty. Please continue posting.
bluejaysfan
Well said
El Duderino
I totally agree with you that the Blue Jays need all that you say, and that they needed to start the rebuild a year ago.
That said, you’re incredibly obnoxious in trying to make your points. You repeat your posts word for word multiple times, use your hashtag as if there’s a “trending” section on MLBTR, and generally stroke yourself.
If you’d make your point once, you wouldn’t have so many people down voting and attacking you. Think “quality” and not “quantity.”
jimmertee
Thanks for the advice. When I respond more than once it is becuase that individual is asking a question so I answer it. It seems clear to me that they haven’t read my other posts in the entire blog, only one post that is why they are asking those questions, so I answer.
How about we keep it focussed on baseball?
outinleftfield
Apparently, he is also part of the Blue Jays medical staff and FO.
jimmertee
No, I am not apart of the Blue Jays medical stuff and front office, but I do know someone in the room very closely.
brucewayne
It’s all a bunch of #BULLSHITEYES!
Tasman
Would prefer if they got rid of AJ
paulnewman
I am guessing your no fan of Padres.
frankf
The Padres have fans?
czontixhldr
A few, anyway…
4.bp.blogspot.com/-e7z0UPO6ht8/T6WErjAyjzI/AAAAAAA…
camdenyards46
Why
Padres2019ha
I know right. Rebuilt The bottom 5 worst farms to arguably best. What a loser
swanhenge
Quality move for the Jays. Wonder who’s going back…
Kwflanne
Ohhhh man. Looks like we’re stuck with Headley now. Don’t think our return for solarte will be anything that great either. Low level prospect maybe….. maybe some cash
pads fan1980
Not necessarily. At the beginning of the offseason the Padres had one to many with the possibility of a trade. Then we picked up Headley. That put the Padres with 2 to many. So another trade could happen
outinleftfield
Has to happen. Your GM added Stammen and the Japanese reliever to a full 40 man roster. One more guy has to go either in trade or DFA.
canajay12
I like it for the Jays, Donaldson, Tulo, Travis with backups of Solarte and Diaz? There’s upside there and some decent pop especially for the AL East stadiums.
Kwflanne
Solarte will be great for you guys… plays almost anywhere in the infield (although not spectacular at any one position), and an above average hitter. Should do even better in torontos lineup with some actual proven hitters around him. Only help/protection he had in San Diego was wil Myers and his .220 batting average
aff10
Lineup protection isn’t really a thing
Kwflanne
Ummm how is it not a thing?
aff10
There’s not really any statistical evidence that a player becomes a better when better hitters are behind them. After all, if a player gets pitched around, he should, in theory, just walk more often, which would actually inflate his numbers
Kwflanne
Couldn’t disagree more… the pitches a batter sees is VERY often predicated based on who is on base already, or who is batting behind him. With a better surrounding lineup, pitchers have to pitch a player (in this case, solarte) differently. He can’t just be thrown junk, allowing him to walk, if there is a player who can do damage behind him. Therefore, will likely see more hittsvke fastballs. I literally don’t think I’ve EVER heard anyone say “protection doesn’t matter”. I’m not saying it’ll turn someone from average to all-star…. but to say a better surrounding lineup doesn’t help…. not sure how anyone could actually think that
eduardoaraisa98
So if your logic makes sense, how can you explain Joc Peterson (.212 BA 11 HR), Logan Forsythe (.224 BA 6 HR), and Enrique Hernandez (.215 BA 11 HR) when the Dodgers lineup is stacked. If your logic made sense, they wouldn’t be this bad. It would also mean that if you’re surrounded by a bad lineup, you’ll be bad as well, but look at Joey Bottom. I would’ve added Yasmani Grandal career high .247 BA, but he does show power
Chris Bailey
Go on baseball reference. Ton of stats that will prove you wrong. J.d Martinez blossomed hitting in the same lineup with protection from miggy and vmart
Kwflanne
Apprently you’re under the impression that I’m saying a good lineup will turn bad players into good players…. It’s almost like you’re saying that my logic means Brett Gardner will hit .350 with 50 homeruns because now Stanton and judge and sanchez etc are hitting behind him. WRONG. But if you think he isn’t going to see better pitches to hit DUE TO THE PROTECTION BEHIND HIM, you are just talking nonsense. I literally can’t believe there is an argument being made that “protection in a lineup doesn’t matter”…. I’m just going to go ahead and disregard anything else supporting that theory.
aff10
I didn’t misinterpret what you’re saying at all. What would be the result of him playing in SD with terrible hitters behind him? Pitchers would throw him more pitches out of the zone, no? Then, he should walk more and his numbers would actually be inflated. It’s why #8 hitters in the NL sometimes have higher walk rates, because they get pitched around to get to the pitcher
aff10
I’m not saying that “good lineups can’t have bad hitters,” so I’m really not sure what you mean. Actually, that’s kind of against my argument that “player gets traded to better team, therefore he should get better” isn’t true
eduardoaraisa98
I didn’t say it would turn a bad player until a good player, I said that if that were to be true they wouldn’t be that bad. You just happen to be adding words to my mouth and over exaggerating. If they saw better pitches because of the projection behind him, just like you said, then they would be hitting better the .210 BA and 10 HR. I DIDNT say they should be hitting .300 BA and 30 HR. Let’s remember that those players aren’t bad, they have shown some upside sometime in their career. So we can’t say “oh those players have always been bad”
aff10
JDM as a Tiger last year: 145 WRC+
JDM as a Diamondback last year: 176 WRC+
I’m inclined to believe that Martinez is just a great hitter, rather than V-Mart and Cabrera making him better
aff10
Sorry man, I didn’t mean to exaggerate what you’re saying, that’s unintentional. I’m arguing that hitters actually don’t get better because they have better hitters behind them though, so I guess we’re in agreement
eduardoaraisa98
I’m agreeing with you aff10, disagreeing with Kwflanne.
iverbure
The intelligent young baseball writers well tell you lineup protection really isn’t a thing, if it is it’s a very slight thing that doesn’t make a difference of the course of a entire season.
It’s far more important to have a guy on base than it is to have Barry bonds 2001 hitting behind you.
georgebell 2
He made changes to his swing during that off-season, there was an article on fangraphs that noted the change. The extra protection was just a bonus.
aff10
Ha yeah, I see that. My phone made it seem that you were replying to me, but I just reread the thread. My bad
marinest21 2
You literally disproved your own argument. In 2017, Miggy and V-Mart were significantly worse offensively than Paul Goldschmidt and Jake Lamb, who protected J.D. in the D-backs’ lineup. It’s not just because JD is a good hitter that he bumped up his RC+ after the trade, it’s also because he had better hitters protecting him.
Great hitters do not impact their teams only in their at-bats. Both the players hitting immediately before and after them are the direct beneficiaries, as they both see more fastballs. Why? Pitchers understand the need to attack these hitters and get them out, thus they throw pitches with a higher strike % – for the overwhelming number of hurlers (i.e., fastballs). Pitchers don’t have the luxury of falling behind a batter when they have a Barry Bonds, Albert Pujols, Mike Trout, or Paul Goldschmidt hitting behind them. If they do, now they risk those guys coming up w/runners on base. Additionally, the players hitting behind these guys like Bonds, etc. also improve as they see more fastballs. Why? Well a) Because they also need to be attacked and thrown pitches with a high strike % (see above) if a guy like Bonds gets on base and thus it is an more essential now to get an out; and/or b) To shut down the running game and throw pitches that give the C a higher % of throwing out any steals, i.e. fastballs. This is what makes Goldschmidt so valuable. Not only does he get on base, but he can run. Which makes those hitting behind him have an even better chance of seeing the heater.
You can look at those who hit around the greats over the last fifteen years. For Pujols, look at Jim Edmonds and Scott Rolen, who enjoyed the best individual offensive seasons of their careers hitting before/after him. For Bonds, compare at how Jeff Kent did in his career hitting in the Giants lineup to elsewhere, The list can go on, but those are just some examples.
marinest21 2
“It’s far more important to have a guy on base than it is to have Barry bonds 2001 hitting behind you.”
Barry Bonds and other great hitters who statistically have higher OBAs create the opportunities you (rightfully) believe are so valuable. When you have guys hitting behind them who are above-average hitters themselves, that’s where lineup protection really plays a factor and becomes all the more noticeable.
outinleftfield
WC Ryan’s new account. Lol
marinest21 2
Better hitters also statistically make fewer outs. Thus pitchers need to attack those hitting in FRONT of them in order to get those guys out. When you attack, you (usually) throw more fastballs, as they have a higher K%. For most hitters, more fastballs in the zone = more chances to have success.
Also, walking more often = getting on base. Getting on base more often = better pitches to hit for the player hitting behind the walked player to a) again, get the out you couldn’t get previously and/or b) shut down the running game.
For a more detailed argument, see my comment below.
marinest21 2
Wait, you’re making your argument based on majority UTIL/bench guys?
Try looking at the guys who actually made the Dodgers’ lineup “stacked”, like regulars such as Justin Turner and Cody Bellinger. Or even Puig. Look at how those guys did hitting before/after one another.
marinest21 2
No, actually not. J.D. hit his best when he had Paul Goldschmidt around him, who from 2014-present (the time J.D. was on the Tigers/D’backs), was a) significantly better hitter than V-Mart, and b) equal to or better than Carbera during the same time period.
Stats, my friend.
aff10
Been here three years haha. Don’t agree with Ryan on most things that he says, but we agree on this one
aff10
I was responding to the idea that JD was only made better by Cabrera/V-Mart.
JDM is a good hitter because of JDM. He significantly upped his hard contact rate from his days in Houston despite his zone rate staying pretty much the same in the beginning
Padres2019ha
hahahaha
georgebell 2
fangraphs.com/blogs/rule-5-dark-horse-j-d-martinez…
eduardoaraisa98
So what you’re saying is that players depend on other for their success. It has nothing to do that they’re just talented or anything anything like that. So if they’re in a team with a bunch on nobody’s then they’ll most likely do worse than with a team that has a good lineup? So in this case, in the All Star game, every hitter should be hitting the ball, or getting on base, right? Every team that has good offense on the playoffs should do the same thing, right? Oh, wait, didn’t the Dodgers leave 25 guys on base and have a BA under .200 on the World Series? Huh, weird.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
aff10 gets it. People say Myers tanked after the All Star break because he wasn’t getting anything good to hit after Kemp got traded and post links to the heatmaps on pitches to him to prove it. But his walk rate only went up by 1% after Kemp got traded. With that big of a discrepancy in the percentage of pitches in/out of the strike zone, his walk rate should have SKYROCKETED!
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
You mean like how you are Pads Fans and websoulsurfer? :}
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
@marinest21 if that is the case how come Wil Myers was making outs less frequently when Kemp was batting behind him. By your logic he would be making outs more frequently.
websoulsurfer
There is no statistical evidence that its not a thing either.
websoulsurfer
What are you talking about? Your posts make no sense. You think you know what you are talking about, but no one but your alter egos, the letter accounts, seem to agree with you. Then you hurl insults and call people names in one of the most childish displays I have seen on this website.
Padres2019ha
it’s what he does. Hes a 75 yes old man who checks his mlbtr from a PC
brucewayne
LoL! Another one? It wouldn’t suprise me one bit!
padreforlife
Stop with excuses for pathetic Myers
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
The statistical evidence is Wil Myers’ OBP going down after Kemp got traded. The entire point of giving him better pitches to hit with Kemp behind him is to not walk him and by extension, keep him off base, so shouldn’t his OBP have been lower before Kemp got traded?
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
See? You just copied two things one of those guys said.
aff10
Lol, well I’ll yet again deny that I am WC Ryan, although I do find this speculation kind of entertaining.
If lineup protection did exist, wouldn’t you expect to see something in the numbers somewhere? Like, “a player’s OPS should go up x points by replacing a bad hitter with a good one.” If there’s no statistical evidence for it, why should it just be assumed to be true? Serious question, not rhetorical
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
I would expect to see Wil Myers get walked every time he came up to bat after Matt Kemp got traded. In the real world, his walk rate went up by a whopping 1%. Not statistically significant and not enough to increase his OBP when his batting average dropped like a rock.
Chris Bailey
Very true. JDM is a talented hitter, but there is no question that his career blossomed with protection from vmart and miggy.
filthyrich
Too many variables to notice real pattern statistically but there are a great deal of individual cases that would make it hard to call this an assumption.
A truly good hitter would benefit from certain lineup spots, while a less talented bat would be exposed so overall stats would average somewhere in the middle.
Pressure to do too much becomes overwhelming and rather than zoning in and waiting on their pitch, lesser hitters will start swinging at strikes that they can’t do anything with.
A smarter hitter will realize that having a threat behind them and/or a speed threat on the bases will allow them to zone in on certain pitches and they can really take advantage.
In a close game, Wil Myers would be pitched different than a blowout. To break down the stats based on situation would help analyze the effect but it’s not really practical and there’s still too many other variables to get a concrete answer.
It’s hard to truly say there was an Encarnacion effect with the BlueJays/Indians this year due to so many other changes in the lineups, but Jose Ramirez seemed to thrive when Edwin followed him, and Jose Bautista seemed better with Edwin/Donaldson/hot Smoak behind him rather than cold Smoak or Morales. But too many moving parts to say for certain.
davidcoonce74
94 OPS+ last season says he is a below-average hitter. And he can’t play defense anywhere and he is slow as molasses. He just isn’t very good.
Quinn
Hoping this is move that now sends Donaldson to Cardinals
giantboy99
Donaldson to the Cards…book it!!!
HaveUseenMyBaseball
The end of an era, ha. Will miss the guy. I know Blue jays fans will love him.
Slow aligator clap.
realgone2
Hmmm so Donaldson gone soon?
lowtalker1
They need to trade spang next
eduardoaraisa98
They can trade Headley, Spangenberg, Asuje, or Villanueva
aff10
Why would this affect Donaldson at all? Solarte’s an average player who bounces around the diamond and probably serves as their middle-infield depth for Travis/Tulowitzki. You don’t move Donaldson to create room for Yangervis Solarte
realgone2
aaaaaaaaaand donaldson gets traded Monday
Begamin
if the blue jays trade Donaldson, which they should, they arent necessarily making room FOR Solarte. they would be stocking up on prospects to rebuild, and Solarte mans third in the meantime. Duh.
aff10
If they’re trading Donaldson, they’re punting on this season, so why bother trading a prospect for a stopgap then? I can see an argument for why they should trade Donaldson, but everything they’ve done to this point suggests that they’re not doing that
Begamin
A top prospect in the Blue Jays farm system is not that special. They obtained a very inexpensive and controllable player that can man many positions that they could even flip again at a later time. Punting on this season is the exact reason to trade for a stop gap. They could probably try and trade their other infielders as well if they were feeling really grim about the next 5 years with their current roster build and Solarte could be one of the traded or one of the guys who plays in place of the guy traded. Well will see, i suppose.
camdenyards46
Nice pickup by jays. I’ve always liked him. I wonder what San Diego got back
jimmertee
San Deigo got two good prospects, one of which[Olivares] has a shot of being a good major leaguer one day.
Momus
San Diego got one middling prospect ranked in the mid-teens in the Jays system, and an org guy. I have no idea in what universe 24 year old minor league relief pitcher Jared Carkuff would be considered a “good prospect”.
JaysSK
This is obviously a depth move by the Jays. The middle infield is riddled with injuries.
I could see a higher level minor league P going back to the Pads
WhiteSox4ever
So is it 3rd or 2nd base he played the most.
cnazimm
3rd over his career, 2nd last season. Read the article.
roadapple
Second. I can see him playing 80 games there, plus other positions.
bleacherbum
Padres get back the 18th best prospect in Toronto’s organization, plus a throw in guy? Not a bad get. Thought they would want more young pitching in return as well. I was expecting Reid-Foley, Zeuch or Angel Perdomo going back to the Pads but I guess they feel good about their pitching depth across the minors right now.
eduardoaraisa98
Out of the Padres top ten prospects, seven of them are pitchers and the other three are infielders. I think the Padres feel confident with their pitching depth in the minors. Margot seems like the only sure future outfielder with Renfroe being a huge question mark and I don’t see Pirela playing for the Padres when they start competing.
Momus
lol. Sure, Ried-Foley or Zeuch for a backup MI, and then San Diego planned to send Headley back to the Yankees for Gleyber Torres, because they apparently turned the “force trade” setting on.
frankf
The Padres are just weird. One minute they’re all “let’s trade for every over paid veteran we can,” next minute, they’re all “nope, we’re still bad. Back the truck back up.”
eduardoaraisa98
Solarte is not overpaid
aff10
The Galvis one was weird as hell, but Headley was basically about buying Bryan Mitchell
CursedRangers
Same here. One minute they are rumored to be the lead team for Hosmer, the next they are loading up on minor leaguers.
TheIncident
They are partially interested in getting Hosmer to lead the prospects that will come up over the next few years. Not to compete this year. Taking on Headley’s salary was to get Mitchell and maybe turn around and trade Headley. Padres were in need of a SS so they traded a future reliever for Galvis. None of this is really weird if you think about it.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Galvis trade is weird because the Padres won’t contend in 2018 and he will just have to be replaced after 2018. Say what you want about DLS. At least he isn’t a free agent in a year.
TheIncident
Yeah I know your preference for the Padres to go all Rachel Phelps and field a team of all league minimum players.
eduardoaraisa98
If Galvis plays good the Padres they could end up trading him for another prospect with the same value as the one we gave up for him to a contending team and maybe even a better one if we eat the remainder of his contract which won’t really hurt us at all because we have money to do it. That, or we can extend him, which I don’t like the idea of it because it would push back Fernando Tatis Jr. but it would also give him more time to improve in the minors and will prevent him from being rushed to the majors. If it was me, I would extend Galvis and trade him when Tatis is ready.
eduardoaraisa98
Let’s say the Padres extend Galvis after the 2018 season (he’ll be 29) to a 4 year/$32 mil contract. He’s not the best offensively but he’s a good defensive player. If he stays healthy and keeps up his defense for the first two years of his contract we could trade him in the 2021 off-season (he’ll be 31) for a prospect or maybe an MLB ready player. By then I’m sure Tatis will be ready to be promoted to be an everyday SS
padreforlife
They also gave up prospect for .250 1 year of Galvis another dumb move by hipster
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
That argument doesn’t work because trading for Galvis now wasn’t a prerequisite to signing him. We could have waited a year to sign him and kept De Los Santos.
BrianS
I don’t get how the pickup of a decent utility guy makes people think all of a sudden Donaldson must be being traded????
Yankeepatriot
Well the jays don’t benefit from keeping him now as they won’t be in contention for at least a few years and he’s a pending free agent. The smart move would be to trade him now
jimmertee
Yes, yes, yes, trade Donaldson now please. Jays are going no where in 2018.
Momus
The Jays are one of about 5 teams very much in contention for the 2nd wildcard. Not sure who you see being so much better than them in the AL that you think they’re definitely out of it.
outinleftfield
Acquiring a utility player has nothing to do with trading Donaldson. I don’t get all the parts that say it is related either.
TennVol
Olivares is a diamond in the rough. Has the potential to be a 5 tool player who really took a step up last year in Single A ball for the Jays. Probably 2 years away if he keeps progressing. Has a lot of talent and was hoping teams would overlook him if the Jays make some trades. But, the Jays have some great OF talent in their minor system so the dealt from strength in order to make the major league team better for the next few years. Solarte has talent and showed in while with the Yankees. I think his offensive stats will make a jump playing in a lot off AL East ball parks.
websoulsurfer
3 tool player. Run, Arm, Field. His power is above average, but not plus. He has a 40 FV hit tool. He does not have the plate discipline to ever be a plus hitter for average, he does have the build to eventually hit for power especially against LHP. Scouts say that he will be a 4th OF in the majors and his time frame for his first appearance is 2020, so in 3 years. Not a bad thing to be a 4th OF in the majors, but not close to a 5 tool player.
Yankeepatriot
He’s good at making contact but he is barely replacement level. If anything is has more to do with Donaldson getting flipped in a trade so all eyes are on the Jays front office right now. I predict the cards to snag him
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
I don’t see how this would increase the likelihood for a Donaldson trade they need middle infield death and that’s what they got if anything it makes it less likely they trade down Donaldson because if they were going to they could have gotten someone cheaper to tank with
jimmertee
Obtaining Solarte is more about Travis and Tulo not being able to stay on the field. Diaz won’t hlep much either, he’s Goins without the glove, lol.
Jays “want” to compete, [which they can’t]. Donaldson is gone at All-star break. Bet on it.
Begamin
They arent in shape to compete with or without Donaldson and infield depth. Getting Solarte could serve as infield depth in the slight off chance that the team performs beyond the wildest expectations but it primarily serves as getting someone to man 3B whenever they trade Donaldson. Hell, they could even flip Solarte again.
Momus
Seriously, where are you people getting this from? What teams are you seeing, beyond the Yankees, Red Sox, Astros, and Indians, that are so definitely going to nail down that 5th playoff spot that teams like the Blue Jays should just give up before the season starts?
The Astros finished out of the playoffs in 2016 after snagging a WC spot in 2015. The Yankees took the other WC in 2015, then finished out of the postseason in 2016 just like the Astros. Both teams were back in the post-season in 2017. The Twins won 83 then 59 games in 2015-2016 and then grabbed the last WC in 2017 with 85 wins.
The Jays are currently projected to win 83 games which puts them 6th in the AL. It isn’t “beyond the wildest expectations” for them to be 2 or 3 wins better than that, it’s a couple of small things going better than expected.
I mean, I don’t expect them to win anything this year either, but ffs, it’s not like they’re the Orioles.
hacksawjim
another quality (2nd or 3rd slot) starter and the jays have the best rotation in the AL.
pretty good as it is… if they remain healthy.
(healthy being the key word)
and well said momus.
CardsNation5
A reliever has been added to the trade also
CardsNation5
Jared Carkuff
card collector18
Man Solarte loves the game and his family hope it works out for him such a far move
Houston We Have A Solution
Seems like Preller is going for high upside guys in low minors. He got ruiz from kansas city in the butcher maurer cahill deal and now oliveras in the solarte deal. young high upside guys it seems
joefriday1948
Great pick up. He has a Nexus card and in a pinch can sing the Canadian National Anthem in Italian if they go to Rome.
bil minor
Preller clearing out a few more million for Hosmer and a spot for Makita. Spot already made for Stamen with dropping of Rondon.
sabertooth
Jays see the writing on the wall. They’re preparing to field a non-competitive, but still average team while the Yankees and Red Sox rule the east for a couple of years.
Donaldson to the Cards. Maybe the Jays get Flaherty and O’Neill to headline the deal to bolster the future.
jimmertee
No-competative team will be the Jays, yes they will. Average, no, below average, yes they will says Yoda.
bjaeger2003
Donaldson on the move or just backup insurance?
beardedface_killah
Tulo to the Yankees?
eduardoaraisa98
Can’t see it happening, Tulo is past his peak, has a bad history with injuries, aging and overpaid until he’s 36. Either the Jays eat up most of his contract and get a “decent” prospect in return or let the Yankees eat up the contract and get a nobody in return. I’m sure Yankees would want to get younger so they can dominate for the next half decade with Stanton, Judge, and Sanchez.
jimmertee
Only way Tulo gets traded to the Yankees is in a trade for Ellsbury and the Jays would want much more due to Ellsbury’s contract AAV.
Fyi, This would be a tough trade to make, adding that Tulo has a full no trade and he hated leaving his previous team but he has publically said the only team he dreams of playing for is the Yankees. #scoutseyes
filthyrich
I feel like Tulo recently started having Marlins dreams as well. #thatjetercrush
Begamin
Yankees dont need a middle infielder.
billneftleberg
Why would the Yankees want a broken down old man like tulowitzki.? He should retire. But he wont. The jays have more money he can leech
Phillies2017
I don’t like this for the Padres. Olivares looks like a platoon outfielder at best and honestly, prior to ’17, he never had more than 12 XBH’s in any given season. Im skeptical.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
He’s a high risk, high reward prospect, and maybe the front office thinks that he’s starting to come into his own. Overall, I think it was a pretty decent return for Solarte. Perhaps now they can start clearing out more from their positional logjams and making calls for a Brad Hand trade.
davidcoonce74
Yeah, but Solarte is awful. Getting anything for him is a win.
Padres2019ha
We got your disdain 3 comments ago
davidcoonce74
So weird that anyone decides to have a bunch of user names. We get it, Ryan.
brucewayne
Plus agrees
brucewayne
and argues with himself , just to have someone to talk to!
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Thought it then, think it more now. Solarte shouldn’t have taken that extension. All he got out of it was an assurance that he wouldn’t be non-tendered after the 2018 season, which wouldn’t have happened anyway.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Sorry, after the 2017 season.
padreforlife
Entrenched in chat room
amendoza1539
Jimmertee is to the Blue Jays as WestCoastRyan is to the Padres…
It would be interesting to see them discuss their personal views with each other…
Padres2019ha
hopefully they gouge each other’s #scoutseyes out
aussiejaysfan
Hahahahahhaaha this is literally the best reply I’ve ever seen on this site
brucewayne
I 2nd that comment!
jast25
There goes Donaldson. I hope they don’t trade him. They should give him 90M for 5 years and that will be a bargain
jast25
Sorry 4 years
kodion
Still a huge bargain!
I don’t see him getting less than $100million for 4.
iiwm$, I’d try to get him for 4/110 plus an option (vesting at $30MM if top 3 in AL MVP voting any year, or top 5 in final year of deal, and at $33MM if won again) now …and consider that fair.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Another issue no one has mentioned yet is that Olivares is Rule 5 eligible next offseason. So that adds to the Padres’ big Rule 5 roster crunch coming up next offseason as 7 of their top 30 prospects and Trey Wingenter will all have to be protected or exposed to the draft (altho Urias and Wingenter will probably make it to the Majors on their own merits relatively early this season).
jdgoat
Some of those guys will probably be in a possible Yelich trade
Phillies2017
At this point, nobody comes close to selecting him in the R5
He’s a contact first, low-OBP outfielder who has questionable power in A-Ball and posted a cumulative .795 OPS between A and A+
The only time you see an A-Baller or lower picked is when there are crazy numbers
Cordoba posted a .922 OPS in Rk ball
Gadea posted a 2.36 ERA with a 1.8BB/9 and a 12.5 K/9 between A and RK
Wand (while a different case) posted a 3.23 ERA in FrK with a 0.8 BB/9 over 40+innings
roadapple
I like that he doesn’t strike out a lot.
buzzler
To me this signals a few things.
1. The jays needed 2 OF this off season because no one can garuntee Teoscar Hernandez will play like he did in September. Travis will be the starting LF, making him less likely to get hurt.
2. Solarte will be out staring 2B with Diaz in AAA Diaz has options this way both players play everyday and if Diaz’s bat plays better then Solarte’s Diaz is our 2b and Solarte’s our UTIL/bench guy. Solarte should be good for 20+ homers coming to the ALE but his .250 AVG may be a problem.
All in all I think this makes the team better. To me tho for the jays to have a chance at the wildcard the should sign Bruce, a lefty power bat to play right. Also if Teoscar is for real they should trade pillar and have Teoscar play CF it’s his natural position and it’s virtually impossible for him to have a worse bat the Pillar.
Let me know what you guys think
jimmertee
Oh man, I like Pillar. As a former amateur baseball manager, we like guys that are hoovers and can go get it. Plus, he is going to give you a bA of .250-.280 with 10-15 hr’s and he’s cheap. Tough to deal him.
Hernandez is going to have to go a long way to supplant Pillar in Gibby’s lineup.
I don’t think that there is any way that Travis plays left field and runs after balls on that concrete out there. He can barely run after the ball on the turf in the defensive shifts now. They may try him out there, but Travis needs grass to stay healthy. He’d be a very shorterm solution for the outfield.
I agree that Diaz starts in AAA and see if he can earn his way back up. Play Solarte wherever they can.
brucewayne
#MANAGERSEYES
alexgordonbeckham
“Amateur baseball manager”….so little league coach?
filthyrich
If they can get pitching or an SB threat for Pillar, then it would be hard to resist. He plays a high risk style and will be expensive soon.
Still has one of the highest trade values on the 25 man roster.
Pillar+ for BHamilton+ would be something I’d perk up about. Or if Pillar could be part of a Yelich package?!!! Get Travis involved as a piece if possible.
Can’t see Travis in OF. Could see him traded before OF.
Pearce/Carrera seem like they’re getting paid so adding 2 OF would require making room. Start Teoscar in AAA seems like a waste so even adding 1 OF may require making room.
Bruce+Dyson or Cain+Dyson seem like upgrades on Pearce+Carrera so it would be worth the payroll cost in my opinion. Pillar/Teoscar + 2 new adds would be dreamy.
Momus
I think you undervalue Pillar a lot. He’s one of the 5 or so best defensive OF in all of baseball, and he costs nothing because everyone undervalues his skillset. Hell, if he could just somehow learn to take a walk once in a while he’d be an All-Star caliber player.
There is no reason to trade Pillar unless someone offers you something really good for him, like a top 50 prospect who’s near the majors or a young player with a lot of upside and years of control, but I don’t see that happening.
Also, sign Bruce? Ugh. Go for a longer term contract and sign Cain. Having 2 CFs is never a bad idea in an OF and the Jays don’t need another lousy defensive OF who doesn’t get one base.
davidcoonce74
Is this supposed to redeem his defense? I watched, sadly, almost every Padres game last year because that’s what fans do. He is so very bad defensiveley at every position. Because he can’t run,anything hit to his left at short or third turns into a hit. Because he can’t run he hits into an ungodly amount of double plays and pitchers don’t even have to pitch out of the stretch when Solarte is on base (Which is an important thing; pitchers are much better when they don’t pitch out of the stretch). Padres fans, for whatever reason, hate Chase Headley, but Headley was a better player than Solarte last season.
Padres2019ha
Copying and pasting old comments now??…again, we get your disdain. let it go man
padreforlife
Padre fans not brightest of bunch loved Solarte thought he was big time player
padreforlife
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AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Le banhammer?
KCMOWHOA
The Blowjays just can’t give in to the rebuild