MONDAY: The trade is now official, per club announcements.
SATURDAY: It would appear that the Giancarlo Stanton saga has come to a close. The Yankees are set to acquire the 2017 NL MVP from the Marlins in exchange for infielder Starlin Castro, along with minor-leaguers Jorge Guzman and Jose Devers. The Marlins will also send the Yankees $30MM in cash if Stanton does not opt out of his contract after the 2020 season. The deal is still pending a physical.
Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports was the first to report that a deal was set, while Joel Sherman of the New York Post mentioned earlier that a deal was “virtually in place”, adding that Castro would be part of the deal. While some other cash numbers were mentioned by some reporters earlier in the day, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic was the first to mention the $30MM figure that has since been confirmed by Morosi as well as Mark Feinsand of MLB.com. Credit goes to Sherman for the report that the prospects involved are in the low minors, as well as first breaking the news that those prospects were Guzman and Devers. Sherman was also the first to report that the Yankees will only get the cash if Stanton doesn’t opt out after 2020.
While there was initially some uncertainty surrounding whether or not Stanton would waive his no-trade clause, that dissolved when Heyman reported that Stanton was on his way to New York City for his physical. Stanton will retain no-trade privileges after the one-time waiver, Heyman adds on Twitter, so he’ll still control his destiny if the Yanks end up trying to move the contract in the future.
The acquisition of Stanton by the Yankees brings a dramatic swirl of trade rumors to a firm close. There had been speculation about Stanton’s availability as early as July, though a trade never materialized despite Stanton reportedly clearing revocable trade waivers. Early in November, reports surfaced that the Marlins were interested in moving Stanton (and other big contracts) in order to trim payroll to about $90MM before the start of the 2018 season. While the Marlins were able to work out the framework for deals with the Cardinals and Giants, Stanton ultimately used his no-trade clause to block those deals. The Marlins were ultimately forced to settle for a lesser prospect return from the Yankees, although Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that the Yankees took on more of Stanton’s salary than the Cardinals were willing to.
Stanton will add even more power to a Yankees lineup that finished the 2017 season with 241 homers; more than any other MLB club. Notably, Stanton will unite with the only other player to finish this past season with more than 50 homers: Rookie of the Year Aaron Judge. Those two right-handed power threats, along with a third in catcher Gary Sanchez, should become an absolute terror for opposing left-handed pitchers.
The Yankees have made it clear that they plan on trying to get below the luxury tax threshold in 2018, and while the acquisition of Stanton would seem to run contrary to that objective, making the two work in tandem could be easier than it would initially appear. Luxury tax implications are based on the average annual value of guaranteed contracts, and Stanton’s figure towards the threshold is based off of his entire contract with the Marlins. Since that deal was for 13 years and $325MM, Stanton’s luxury tax contribution will be $22MM annually, thanks to the conditional $30MM contribution from the Marlins. The average annual value of Castro’s contract is $8.6MM, so the Stanton trade will only add about $13.4MM to the Yankees payroll in 2018 for luxury tax purposes.
The Stanton deal will no doubt have an enormous ripple effect throughout baseball, starting with the AL East. The Red Sox stand out as big losers in this deal; not only did they hope to acquire Stanton themselves after finishing last in the AL in home runs, but the 2017 homer champ will be another right-handed power threat to a lefty-heavy Boston rotation that includes Chris Sale, David Price and Eduardo Rodriguez. In addition, the Stanton deal further bolsters a Yankees team that looked formidable even without the reigning NL MVP, meaning that Toronto, Baltimore and Tampa Bay (who seem to be on the fringes of contention) might reconsider their intentions to seriously compete for a pennant. Should those teams change their direction, big names like Josh Donaldson and Manny Machado could potentially become available in trade discussions. Even if that doesn’t happen, a more dominant Yankees lineup has a better chance to force their weaker rivals out of contention before the midseason trade deadline. That’s not to say that one player can definitively make such a profound impact, but as a seven-WAR player, Stanton could certainly tip the scales. Elsewhere in baseball, the Nationals, Mets and Braves will benefit from the full rebuild the completed deal signals for the Marlins camp.
Stanton, of course, led all qualifying MLB players this past year with 59 homers and a .631 slugging percentage en route to his first MVP selection. The towering 6’6″ right-handed hitter terrorized NL pitching to the tune of a .281/.376/.631 overall batting line while playing roughly average defense in right field. The Marlins took him in the second round of the 2007 draft, and have since been rewarded with 34.1 wins above replacement level. Stanton ranked seventh in the majors in 2017 with a 91.9 MPH average exit velocity, including the hardest-hit ball all year (122.2 MPH). His .410 wOBA and 156 wRC+ both ranked fifth in MLB.
The 21-year-old Guzman is best known as one of the pieces sent from Houston to New York in exchange for catcher Brian McCann just last winter. The 2015 international signee out of the Dominican Republic posted excellent numbers in thirteen starts for the Yankees’ Low-A affiliate, including a 2.30 ERA with 11.28 K/9 against just 2.43 BB/9. Chris Mitchell of Fangraphs describes Guzman as someone who throws “absolute gas.” The 6’2″ righty reportedly sits around 96-100 MPH with his fastball and can reach back for up to 102. He combines that pitch with an 89 MPH slider; that combination helped him strike out a league-leading 33% of batters faced. KATOH projects him as high as a 4.5 WAR player in the majors.
Devers, 18, was also signed out of the Dominican Republic. The Yankees added the left-handed hitting shortstop to their system just this season for a bonus of $250K; he’s only got 53 pro games under his belt. Devers is best known as the cousin of Red Sox third baseman Rafael Devers, who was a top prospect in Boston’s system and made his major league debut in 2017. Ben Badler of Baseball America describes the younger Devers as “a wiry shortstop with above-average speed, good hands and quick footwork.” He’s largely put to bed initial concerns about his arm action and arm strength, and has been described by opposing managers as someone who takes away a lot of hits with his glove. While he doesn’t provide much in the way of power, Devers shows good contact ability with the bat. Eric Longenhagen of Fangraphs notes that Devers also has a projectable frame, and confirms that his swing will need some tweaking if he wants to develop any real power.
Cashman = goat
Not really
Stanton just said I’ll waive for these 4 teams
Houston ain’t got the money
Doyuers weren’t that interested
Yankees all in
Cubs got lost along the way
Cubs weren’t interested either. They already have a positional logjam as it is and nobody’s taking Heyward off their hands. The Cubs have more important needs to be addressed on the pitching side.
I’m sure Mariners fans will find a way to be extremely pompous yet secretly butthurt about this. Congrats to them on acquiring Mike Morning since they flipped on Shohei as well!
What?
“Good – Ohtani will be a bust anyway!”
“Who cares?!? Cubs never wanted Stanton anyway! We don’t need more offense” (Cubs averaged 1.6rpg in NLCS)
– Most Cubs fans these last few days
What Cub fans said that, ramon?
Though, I don’t think the Cubs wanted Stanton. Great player, but would he have been a good fit? Or a disruption to what they’ve put together already?
Cubs don’t need Stanton. Not for the money and or talent. although the NYY stole him from Miami unless they flip Castro for 2 very legit prospects, this will never be a win for MIA
That is the definition of cherry picking a stat. One playoff series is much to small of a sample size especially when considering the whole season which earned them that playoff spot.
Ohtani will not be a bust, but he is not the next Babe Ruth either. Numbers typically do not stand up from Japan’s leagues to the majors. The Cubs lucked out in not acquiring him, same with many other orgs that ‘lost out’ on him IMO. This is of course if he does not wind up needing TJS after his first season as well.
Stanton? I do not think the Cubs wanted to be saddled with that contract for one guy, not when they have Lester’s and Heyward’s contracts now. Though it would have been fun seeing him driving baseballs out of Wrigley all season.
…and they have to save money to lock up their core.
Houston has the money, the owner Jim Crane is worth roughly 2 billion dollars. he just spends it more frugally than the Yanks. PLUS, gotta be able to have the money to give Correa and Springer a big contract and then of course just a bit down the line, a massive contract for Jose Altuve.
Having money and being able to spend it and come close to making a profit are two different things.
Almost every single owner of a team is a billionaire. Owning ANY sports franchise is more about the swag that comes with it. It’s a status thing. Not saying earning a profit isn’t the goal but they are all very wealthy ppl.
Cash flow has way, way, WAY more to do with team finances than owner net worth.
Amen
Altuve is a free agent before Correa or Springer.
Yup
Bottom line is to make a profit on any investment
Just bc someone has billions of dollars doesn’t mean the market or team can generate x amount
Look at the padres as well
The twins
Cleveland
Astros had the money genius we just didn’t need him
Astros are paying the rest of JV’s contract now though. Adding Stanton would have handicapped them for a while
Yup
Stanton would have crippled their future
Stros picked up $20M/year in Verlander contract, Tigers are still paying $8M/year. Stros contracts off the books are Beltran ($16M), Gregerson ($6M), Fiers ($4M), and 2 months of Liriano, Clippard and Maybin ($11M out of about $27M). Net is that they have $37M off the books, and even with the Verlander add of $20M they could have afforded $17M additonal. But that is before salary arbitration increases….which will probably put them flat with last year. Going in assumption is that their payroll in 2018 will be larger, just not sure how much. Adding Stanton now would not have been a big deal, but down the road would have been a handicap just like it may turn out to be for the Yankees. Yanks of course can afford more, but just look at what happened to the Angels with Hamilton, Pujols and CJ Wilson contracts. Just not a good idea to sign a player for 7-10 years.
How did the Cubs get lost? Were they supposed to jump in and take his contract because they were on the list?
Cubs are smart. Scoring runs last year was not a problem and will not be a problem. They are reworking the pitching staff as they should. $300 million for Stanton does not improve them when they are scoring runs just fine
The house that Cashman rebuilt!
Cubs have never been interested in Stanton. Pitching needs are priority. Obviously Harper is the exception.
Exactly
I thought it’ll be nicer to say they got lost along the way
Along with a five year extension for himself. Curious as to how they will get under the luxury tax so they can get hit the reset button.
Getting rid of garners contract would help them but ain’t no one going to deal with that
They also go 30 mil from the marlins, so he’d be playing there for free for at least a year or two before his massive sea kicks in
They don’t have to get under the luxury tax as they were nowhere near it before this deal and they are nowhere near it after this deal. They wouldn’t have even been that close if they didn’t move Castro in the deal.
They got $30 million from the Marlins starting in 2021. Doesn’t help their payroll crunch in 2018. And they are sending $11 million to the Marlins to offset Castro’s salary.
Why would anyone not want Gardner??? He’s a 4 WAR player only making 11 mil?
30 mil only kicks in if Stanton doesn’t opt out in 2020. You guys are on the hook for his salary till then.
Actually yes they would have be close but not over. You need to factor in all of the Arb raises getting ready to be given out plus bonuses and health ins. ect. I believe I heard they had about $35 mil to play with and Stanton would be about $29 mil. That doesn’t leave enough room for Cashman to deal for a pitcher in the event their staff gets riddled with injuries.
Where in the article does it state the Yankees are sending the Marlins 11 million dollars?
I just read it twice more
and the Yankees are not sending any money in this deal!
Stanton’s deal averages out at 22M for salary cap purposes. They sent Castro back to Miami as part of the deal. His contract is 8+M. That means they added < 14M in salary as a result of this deal. They have plenty of room but they could still deal Gardner to clear the logjam.
Castro is owed roughly 22 mil over the next 2 years. When factoring in Stanton’s $29.5 per year the Yankees are only taking on $18.5 toward the luxury tax threshold
Stantons deal only counts for $22 mil this season. It is average annual value of the whole contract which was a 13 yr contract overall.
$11 mil = Castros contract
Castro’s contract is 22 mil over next 2 years
Stanton counts 25 million toward cap.
The Yankees just STOLE Stanton !
Other than questionably walking away from Girardi and the Boone signing, Cashman has really turned things around in the Bronx. A couple of years ago, things looked bleak and a rebuild was probably needed, but he did it on the run quite nicely. They’re gonna have a nice offense for a while, like the Blue Jays did the last few years. Looks like it’s back to the status quo with Boston and New York duking it out at the top of the AL East #shapirosucks
Also the guy who allowed it to fall into disrepair in the first place.
More like Cashman got “sloppy seconds” after Otani loss.
Ok- you take Otani over Stanton. Another Yankee hater
A 23 year old stud pitcher/position player at minimum wage and with 6 years of control over a 300 million injury risk?
Any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Stanton will not come close to last year’s numbers and he doesn’t address their need for pitching. Not a Yankee hater-just a realist.
Sounds salty to me. They got a world-class player in a small park. Realist? Stanton will be making significantly less in a few years time than the new crop of superstars coming up for contracts. They’re getting a bargain for potential .275 with 45 HR for the next 5-6 years. Plus… he sells shirts
Anyone that calls themselves a realist is just a pessimist in denial
@posterizer
I am not a Yankee hater either but hell yes I would take Ohtani and his contract over Stantons if you are asking
Why does that make me a hater?
You a little sensitive Yankee fan I guess still smarting from Ohtani rejecting you?
Enjoy Stanton. It will be exciting for you but do not lash out at us knowledgeable baseball fans that understand value.
Why do Yankee fans need to have to say its better then getting Ohtani? Why do your care. You Yankee fans are so sensitive
But why are you saying better to have Ohtani? The Cubs didn’t get him EITHER? You make no sense!
Minimum wage? Remember, the Angels have to pay his posting fee as well as his contract. That adds up to roughly $23mm. I’ll take a slightly more expensive Stanton over an unproven Ohtani at a comparable price.
Otani is not a stud MLB pitcher. He is still a prospect, all be it the number 1 Prospect now right in front Torres
Slightly? Lol The Angels have to pay that upfront and then he makes the league minimum for a few years until arbitration. Stanton makes much more than $23 million per year and has like 10 years left of his contract if he doesn’t opt out. It’s not “slightly more” at all.
Ohtani is unproven while Stanton just won the NL MVP. Try again troll.
As far as I’m concerned Stanton is 2x Ohtani and always will be.
Ohtani set lofty goals that won’t be achieved it’s a hilarious read. GO YANKS! Stanton + Judge is gonna rip the league to shreds like you’ve never seen before.
It’s a great day when you are a legend in your own mind. Care to reveal whether you r a jealous Mets at Red Sox fan?
Is that all for the Yankees on this winter meetings??
Jeter worse than loria. Sorry marlins fans for being duped. Once a yankee, also a yankee.
Once a yankee, always a yankee
Did anyone think that anything else was ever going to happen?
Duped? The Marlins are off the hook for his contract in 2018, 2019, and 2019 (25 mill, 75 mill in total).
If he opts out the marlins owe him 0 money
If he opts in they owe him 30 mill while the yankees owe him 178 mill over 7 years.
The fact the yankees didn’t walk away with more money for the back half of the contract if he opts in is a failure to say the least since they’ll be paying him huge sums of money 5 if not 6 of the 7 years if he opts in, which in all likelihood he will opt in (33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38 seasons). Too many things have to go right for him to want to opt out come 2020.
Yes duped. Marlins fans thought they were getting an owner better than the last who was going to help the team they bought. Not spin off players and help the team he use to play for. Clearly Jeter’s priorities are not doing the right thing for the people who make baseball an actual business and spend their money that they work hard for on people that play a game for a living. Marlins now have a better chance of being sold off to become the new expos. Maybe that is the real plan
Bring in your brain to this deal relief pitcher: if he plays to potential and we go through the next cycle w machado and Harper becoming free agents, his average of 29.5 is a bargain. Those guys will easily command close to $40 million times 10.
I doubt $40 mill per year contracts will become a reality. There is a reset coming in the finances of MLB as the economy collapses in the next year. According to some experts, the debt is going to explode and the USA dollar will divebomb. That means that advertising revunues and cable rights fees and subscriptions will also plummet which means salaries will also divebomb. Book it, it’ll happen.
LOL 40 mill a year. Wtf did you do with your brain man?
Also, Harper and Machado will be signing contracts at 26 meaning teams that give them 8 year deals at 30 mill ish will be getting 6 years at least of surplus value for premium ages.
The yankees will be getting 5 if theyre lucky. 18 19 20 21 22. if theyre lucky.
and still be on the hook for the rest of the contract 33-38
Maybe the Marlins are going to be the Kansas City Athletics of the 2010’s. Jeter will grow the talent, then shuffle them off to New York for mid-range minor leaguers.
Agreed 100%!!
Maybe gomer it’s time to concentrate on your team (please reveal) rather than simply rag
Give Jeter some time. He inherited that bloated contract. It would have been Stanton and mostly minimum wage players. Now, he can build a team with money to work with.
CBS Sports Analyzing prospect levels received:
“I would say Guzman ranked somewhere in the top dozen — anywhere from No. 8 to 12 — in the Yankee system, and Devers wouldn’t be in my top 30 for the club. For the Marlins, I’d say Guzman ranks in the top three and Devers somewhere in top 15”
Where does the Marlins’ system stack up to the rest of the league?
“It’s still in the bottom grouping, no higher than 25th in my opinion. There just isn’t much here in terms of impact talent. Has it gotten better with these last few trades? Of course, but there was an awful long way to go, and there still is.”
Source CBS Sports- cbssports.com/mlb/news/giancarlo-stanton-trade-mlb…
CBS seems a bit harsh in my opinion. I hated to see Guzman go, he was one of the few Yankee hurlers in the system who throws 100MPH. He was one of the two prospects received in the Brian McCann trade and wasn’t expected to develop this nicely. Only time will tell, as he’s still in the lower level of minors, but I think Marlins fans will enjoy this return. He wasn’t a “filler prospect” by any means.
It hurts losing Jorge Guzman, but I’ll be rooting for him to succeed, just as I hope Marlins’ fans root for Stanton to succeeds in NYY, instead of wishing his career to end in a very similar manner Arod’s did in a similar trade, not unlike this one (Difference: Arod’s opt out was in 4 years, Stanton’s opt out is in 3 and when Arod opted out, Yanks give him 10 year $275M contract, probably regret to this day, and biggest reason for letting Cano walk to sign $10 years $240M (but credit to Cano, he’s earned every penny of that contract, so far ) Also, Arod was traded after age 27 season MVP season, Stanton age 28 season and MVP season. NY picked up $265M next 10 years ($77M over next 3, if he opts out) In Arod NY paid $112M of the $179M owed 8 years, barring opt-out, which he exercised, and Texas’ obligations to NY was extinguished, in virtually identical trade.
Castro’s owed 2 years $22.7M, plus 2020 club option ($1M buyout)
Stanton will make your offense the league best by far
murderers row pt 2
Lol
Dayum. It’s true
That was a crazy fun 16 hours.
Glad to have him.
Adios, amigo.
I’ll die if he fails his physical
We’ll all die eventually
+1 = )
He’s not going to the O’s
Over or under for Stanton and Judge
1 – 100 HR
2 – 380 K’s
For 2017… ooh, that’s tough, could go either way, but I’ll say under on both. I think Judge is going to adjust his game, raise his average, lower his strikeouts, but sacrifice some home runs.
Under 100 and over 380
I’ll take the under on the HR’s (but not by much)
It’s really hard for two people to both stay healthy all year AND hit 50 jacks.
I’ll also take the under on the strikeouts, largely for the same reason. Also I think having one in front of the other will allow better pitches to hit, perhaps lowering the strikeout totals. Just a guess.
1-99 HR
2-362 K’s
Under #1
#2 around 380
Under on both for me. Stanton cut his strikeout rate precipitously last year (plate discipline and contact rates improved). I don’t think he’ll keep it at 23% or anything, but he’s not actually crazy strikeout prone anymore
Under 1
Way over 2
Judge, alone, has the potential to pull off two lol
This should be a Vegas betting line IMMEDIATELY
Under on both. I see a plethora of intentional walks.
Judge and Stanton hmm Over Under both 60 hrs, only combine for 200 Ks. It;s gonna be a dynamite year for the ages!
I’m not even mad. This could either be great for them or completely blow up in their faces
Yeah, honestly, this. Watch flyball pitchers start coming back en vogue and Judge and all these guys murdering low in the zone pitches suddenly start hitting .230 again. Giancarlo has had injuries. Anything can happen. I’m 100% convinced he’ll opt out too. That “I’ll only ok trades to the 4 biggest contenders” thing really showed his hand there. Better to play for a legit contender for 2 years than the Marlins for 2 years.
Justin, enjoy your jealous rants. Good luck next week w your team buying agents hot dogs
Barring a catastrophic injury I doubt it blows up in their faces entirely like Ellsbury, who’s game was based a lot on average, defense, and speed, and who never really was worth what they paid him.
Stanton will either opt out when the time comes, or his salary won’t look so bad in 5 years. Payrolls and salaries will continue to rise.
I actually think the Yanks are hedging that he WILL opt out thus, they only gave up Guzman, who for now, is the only “highly regarded” prospect of the two.
It doesn’t matter who it is, they always end up with the Yanks when they were never supposed to.
Ohtani
He was supposed to.
Who are the last big free agents or trade targets to wind up unexpectedly with the Yankees? Michael Pineda? Andrew Miller?
We’ve seen plenty of big names go to other teams….
Tony Gwynn
Jeter should be banned for life for this. Was this his plan all along? If he leaves the ownership team anytime in the next decade then this is collusion.
Stanton saying no to the Giants and Cardinals isn’t Jeter’s fault.
No… just no.
He got rid of $260 M of payroll by taking back a player he can flip to another team and taking some lower level prospects. I’m a Cards fan who wanted Stanton and I’m way less offended by this. It was what Jeter said he was going to do. Also, you need to remember that Cash and Jeter didn’t always get along. Conspiracy theories here are totally unfounded.
The GM did this trade. Just because Jeter is one owner of many doesn’t mean he made this trade come to be. Stanton said he would go there and their GM made it work out. It’s not all about the owner. You don’t see people saying “oh look how great stienbenner is for making this deal” you see people taking about Cashman, the GMs make the acquisitions…. yes the owner approves the trade but it’s not all about them, The GM does his best to get stuff done and the owner approves and in Stanton case they didn’t really have a choice
Looking at some facts (hopefully they won’t cloud that anti-Yankee laser-vision) …… we think we read somewhere where the Marlins had a deal in place with the Cardinals AND the Giants.
Obviously, the NYY’s ‘were not’ the Marlins first OR second choice of a deal.
Maybe you should learn what collusion is. The fact that at least two other teams came to agreement on a trade is proof it wasn’t.
I just don’t understand this comment. Jeter wanted to get rid of nearly $290–and he did for a contingent $30M plus Castro-who he could trade. He tried other teams, and no one bit that Stanton was willing to go to.
You sound like the kind of person that gets news from memes.
#saltforstanton
Wow, once again, commenters on this site overwhelmingly siding with an owner. It’s so bizarre that you’d defend any owner, even Jeter. Jeter is a “Yankee for life”….so he bought another team and helps out the team he’s a “lifer” on. He knew all along Stanton would only OK to a contender, and see how fast this deal came together? Yeah right, yall need to look in the mirror, all owners are horrible.
Most fans tend to side with the player. However, what choices did Jeter have if his mandate is to get Stanton’s contract off the books? He had deals in place with two other teams and Stanton wouldn’t waive his no-trade clause. Is what it is. I would assume that whatever they would’ve gotten back from St. Louis or SF were better than what the Yanks gave up. Cashman absolutely had some leverage and swooped in like a vulture (not meant in a negative way).
But he’s not the owner? He’s part of a an ownership group AND he has a minority stake so your argument is bad from the start. Second, as alluded to by other “bias” comments Stanton had two offers he rejected outright. So you should be yelling at Stanton forcing through a trade to the Yankees instead of Jeter. But hey bias comments be bias
Aww. Nobody took your side so you’re going to generalize and try to make us part of the conspiracy too.
You didn’t give a rebuttal to any of the other points made, and then you decided to assume that all of the commenters side with all of the owners. Without proof.
Its not “siding with an owner”; its refusing to buy into your ridiculous conspiracy theory.
The conspiracy that “Jeter is classy?”
Learn to follow correct replies.
Jeter only invested 20 million dollars in the deal. It only got him 5% . Plus they gave him another 5% for being the face of the franchise. Plus he’s getting paid 5 million a year until he recoups his investment back
Don’t you people read about the subject before you spout nonsense about it?
No one does anymore. Facts fell out of fashion and now everyone just yells out what “feels right.” The sad part is that this kind of rationale muddies the water towards recognizing actual collusion and conspiracies
I know right! Some of these comments are just beyond laughable! Half the time they don’t even have a clue what they are posting about
or nor do they even read the articles or story!
I’m not defending Jeter as an owner, but pushing back against the ludicrous the concept that this was Jeter trying to help the Yankees.
LOL no it is not collusion. He has every right to trade a contract he never agreed to, which was terrible by anyone’s standards, in order to lower his new team’s payroll. Stanton had full no-trade protection and refused a trade to two other teams, leaving only the Yankees with any serious interest, interest that only came about after STANTON named them as a team he would be willing to play for.
Get over it.
But he’s “classy.” That is what we’ve always been told.
never bought into the Jeter worship. won’t say he was overrated but he played for a team that always contended. he stayed healthy, fielded his position and hit pretty well. so did a lot of guys we’ve forgotten about that didn’t play in New York
Hey Warren. Stop throwing curve balls at your age. Jeter is remembered for simply being a winner, unlike the guys that you fantasize about.
I’m no Jeter lover (as a Yankee fan I despised the way he turned the Yankees into unloveable business types and took all the fun out of winning after 1996).
But performance-wise he was only overrated defensively. Go look at his career numbers. In his rookie season he hit .314. He then went on to hit .291, .324, .349, .339, .311, .297, .324, .292, .309, .343, .322, .300, .334. He had an off year at age 36 hitting “just” .270, before bouncing back to hit .297, .and 316 in his age 38 season. After missing an entire season to do a freak injury, he ended with a miserable .256.
From 1996-2012 he was one of the most consistent MLB hitters.
What I hated about him was his personality. Say what you want about jerks like Pedro Martinez and Gary Sheffield, ego driven showboaters like Bryce Harper and Yasiel Puig, or obnoxious loons like Nick Swisher or AJ Pierzinski, at least they were unapologetically being themselves.
Jeter was a complete phony, made worse by the fact that everyone seemed to fall for it. Jeter was “the good guy”, the “sweetheart”, the “noble kid.” He’s just as bad as A-Rod or Roger Clemens, but nobody fell for their act.
Jeter was an ego driven jerk just like Manny, Pedro, and Clemens, but somehow got people to love him for it, and that’s what made him so infuriating. I’d have rather he just be a jerk and be hated for it.
Hey Justin Turner-you are in overdrive and the meter in your head is running red. It’s time to seek a new shrink so that you can get a script to a med that will even out your personality and pull you out of your deep depression. Even your family doesn’t want to be around you right now
Dodgers didnt want to match that offer. What a joke. Now i get why people dislike freidman
I don’t dislike passing on Stanton so we can keep Kershaw, Seager, and Bellinger.
You wanted the Dodgers to take on 260 M in payroll when they’re the best team in the NL? Do you understand how marginal value affects wins? Friedman doesn’t make unnecessary trades and he is good at winning. I don’t know anyone personally who dislikes Friedman anyway.
I’m a Giants fan and I totally agree with you. The Dodgers have tons of talent (young talent at that which will probably improve over time) already and need to save some $$$ for Kershaw after next year. Not to mention the 2018 free agent class is incredible.
As many Yankee pundits have pointed out, if you assume the Yankees (and by extension the dodgers) were going to spend on one of the big free agent class anyway– whether it’s Harper or Machado– you might as well trade for Stanton if you can, because that deal is going to be quickly dwarfed by whatever those two end up signing for.
The 26.5M the Yankees will pay Stanton is going to look like a bargain in a year when Harper is paid 40M/yr by someone like the Cubs– or even the Dodgers.
Now, Harper is obviously the better player, don’t get me wrong, and the guy I’d rather have for the next decade, but maybe not to the tune of nearly half a billion dollars and a full no-trade clause.
What can you hate? Management clearly didn’t want to go over major luxury threshold. The Dodgers are saddled with bad short term contracts? The yanks had the money and more preferable short contracts that were enticing to the Marlins. They can easily flip Castro. You obtain Stanton and the Dodgers quickly scramble into the Stars and Scrubs model in order to get under their mark and address the pen needs. We’ve learned from the past the stars and scrubs model does not work. Friedman is not even remotely close to blame on this not going down. At ~220 before Stanton and ~245 after seems like you’d be cheering for the Dodgers to churn Grandal & Puig and have no realistic wiggle room for the pen and at the deadline. The addition of Stanton might make them marginally better, but shredding contracts to stay under and then shredding more of their depth makes them somewhat worse. The plan to this point has worked. I’m not sure how you can hate them not making this move without seeing what they do this offseason.
They’ll be fun to watch but I still hate the Yankees
WWDD (What Will Dombrowski Do)?
Call David Price and sooty his fragile ego now that he is about to be made to look like a BP pitcher during Yankee-Sox games.
jeets giving Yankees 30mm gift along with stanton…
Only if he doesn’t opt out!
And if he has a solid few years in pinstripes he absolutely will opt out!
Now they just need a high average hitting 1B to balance out the strikeouts.
Also looks like Torres is getting a legit shot at starting 2B gig.
Greg Bird’s already guaranteed the 1B spot pretty much.
They have Bird… next is finding someone to take Ells and maybe use Clint Frazier to get a good young starting pitcher. Maybe Michael Fulmer or Danny Duffy??
I agree. This would seem to eliminated Frazier from any playing time, he sure isn’t a centerfielder.
Yanks will likely DH Stanton though
Royal’s won’t give you Duffy for Frazier. The Tigers might for Fulmer, but in either case, you’re talking Frazier plus, it won’t be a one for one, I don’t care how good you think he is. Duffy is signed through 2021 at around 15 million a year. Frazier won’t touch that. Either pitcher starts with Gleyber Torres. Rookie or not, a guy that hit .231 won’t be a headliner for either of those pitchers.
LOL…. Danny Duffy isn’t worth the number 1 overall prospect in all of baseball (torres).
Have fun Cards…if your team doesn’t net JD your season is over before spring training. The only guarantee is getting older
Bird at 1B, Miguel Andujar and Torreyes will play 2B, Torres third.
Andújar is a third baseman.
Bird is their 1B MAN
Jeter is Fishy.
get it cause the marlins are a pheesh.
Ha ha hue hue hue
Bounce your bobble head buddy. You are a guru of something silly
If you got as many women as he had you would be fishy too.
Baseball needs to get fixed. There is no excuse why a team can’t afford Stanton’s contract it is market value. This isn’t like the Marlins were dealing Pujols.
To get nothing in return for him means to me that the system that MLB uses is very broken.
Baseball needs to have complete revenue sharing when it comes to tv and radio contracts.
They got Castro tho
If the contract is at market value (like you say it is), then they shouldn’t get anything in return for the other team taking it on, because there’s no surplus value
This.
#Socialism
You mean a system where all the talented and smart are forced to make as much as the average person out of jealousy?
No.
Your team needs a front office with some ‘ballz’.
They ALL can afford it….simply comes down to how much ‘your owner’ keeps in his/her pocket.
Some invest back into their team – some put the profits into their personal checking accounts.
Go complain about ‘your owner’ … not those that work toward winning !
This is the only comment that makes sense in this post. I completely agree. How do you not even get one top prospect in return for the MVP. Not even Clint Frazier?!?!?!?! I’m so pist. Marlins need to trade away Ozuna and Yelich as well and completely rebuild. They’re not fooling anybody, or at least not me. The Stanton trade was supposed to rebuild your future and instead got Starlin Castro who will be traded once again for some more nobody prospects.
Marlins should just fully rebuild now cause with that farm system they have, Marlins won’t win for another 3-5 years.
As a Marlins fan, I’m extremely disappointed and frustrated. Don’t waste Yelich and Ozuna prime years and just get a solid return for them while you can.
That Dee Gordon trade, the centerpiece of the trade might be a beat a good number 3 starter, most likely a 4 or 5. You’re going to tell me you could get at least one real solid prospect for him?!
I JUST DONT GET IT!!
Jorge Guzmen is a descent young starter, throws hard, and the other prospect, I’m sorry I forgot his name… he is still young so he’s not on any top charts at the moment… my guess would be next year he will be. I mean look at Fernado Tatis Jr, he was considered a nobody when the Padres got his for James shields, now he’s a top prospect, and that’s only because he was a youngster and not on any top lists yet
Jorge Guzman just throws hard, can’t throw strikes. And the other guy, you don’t even know his name lmao. For the MVP. I’ll just leave it at that.
Guzman is better than you give him credit for, but yes they didn’t get much talent in return. What screwed them was the no trade clause Loria gave Stanton. If not for this, they would definitely have received more . Tough to get much from the Yanks when that was the only team Stanton would go to that wanted him. Jeter would have done better if he waited a year and let Stanton grow tired of losing .
Dee Gordon was fine with me, but trading Stanton right now, when we should have been trading Ozuna, and doing it for that…not even getting top prospects back from the top farm system in baseball, when that would be the whole point of making a Stanton trade, b/c they can cut salary without doing that now, and being super behind on a rebuild that essentially now forces us to move Yelich and Realmuto, who we also shouldn’t have been moving…is not fine by me. Things needed to be done, even making trades of those players, but they literally just gave Giancarlo Stanton to the evil empire. I’m aware of the salary, but the contract isn’t that bad, and they took on money, and gave up 30 more million if he doesn’t opt out for whatever reason. That should have got us back Adams, Florial, Perez, German as well at least
Stanton’s manipulation of the no trade clause may have set a precedent for future contracts with trade clauses. Teams will want at least some control of how they run their club, contracts, etc.
Do you realize how much money the Yankees spend in revenue sharing and luxury tax? No. Baseball isn’t broken. The Marlins offered Stanton too much money for too long and the no-trade simply made it difficult for new management to move him.
Exactly!
Schellis, you are a complete idiot. Even the NFL does NOT have total sharing of TV and radio revenues… only the national revenues are shared, the local TV and radio deals are not shared.
Sure Schellis. And all teams hot dogs will be the same price. Give up your jealousy and get real w your own team. It’s your wake up call. If your team is in the AL east it’s best to accept your fate.
He Cashman is finding his groove again good for the Yankees! As a Dodger fan I’m not gonna lie I was praying hard that we’d jump in and snag him, but tbh I believe the Dodgers are targeting Harper next offseason which I’m also ok with
Cashman is a genius.
Let the rebuilding begin! Excited for the future. Now flip Ozuna/Bour/Realmuto/Strailey/Barraclough for top prospects.
Yeah, damn, that would make this offseason a LOT more interesting if more teams like Miami joined KC by specifically stating its rebuilding time. Finally! Bring it on!!
Justin-why don’t you go have some ribs and beer so you can calm down
God bless you child.
Merry XMas NYY from Jetes…imagine that
I wonder what just happened to Bryce harpers market
It’ll be entirely fine, even without the Yankees involved. Dodgers, Cubs, Nationals, maybe Phillies, etc.
Cubs to play with his little league teammate Bryant is a great story.
The Phillies may definitely be involved now.
The Phillies have always been the favorites.
There’s no reason the Yankees won’t be in on Harper, at least as presently constituted. Remember, they wanted to get below the LT to reset their penalty rate– they never had any intention of staying below it forever.
After 2018, Gardner’s 12M will be off the books, and open up a spot in center (with Clint Frazier ready to step in if he’s not traded). Headley’s 13M will be gone, likely replaced by a low cost prospect (Anjudar).
Assuming Sabathia is resigned this winter, he’ll likely be let go after next year, replaced with a high value prospect like Chase Adams or Justice Sheffield, and another 10-15M will be open.
These three alone will allow them to pursue someone like Harper (to fill Garder’s spot in center) Machado (to fill Headley’s spot at third), or even Kershaw (to take Sabathia’s place in the rotation). Not to mention that Stanton just as likely opts out in a few years.
The fact is, the Yankees have such a wealth of young, cheap, controllable talent on the roster– from the established Judge, Sanchez, and Bird, to likely newcomers Torres, Sheffield, and Frazier, they can spend 70% of their payroll on 5 guys and still field an all-star team.
Likewise, they can either stick these new guys right onto the team, or unload them to fill other spots when they pull up the dumptruck of cash for a guy like Harper.
Personally, I’d prefer they stick with the home grown talent, but it’s just as conceivable they get Harper to add to Stanton and Judge as it is they stand pat and play the youngsters.
Yankees got a steal! Now they will be argueably the most feared line up in all MLB.
Ahhh 10 Years and Judge and Stanton back to back… I’m down!! Not to mention Gary Sanchez and then add in lefties Greg Bird and Didi and another possible big bat in next year’s FA market… oh and btw Torres and Andujar are right around the corner… how could this get any better for the Yanks
the yankees rob the marlins for stanton without giving up top prospects , same way they robbed the a’s for sonny gray
What? The A’s got an awesome package. No robbery there dude
They didn’t rob the A’s by sending over Jorge Mateo, Dustin Fowler, and James Kaprelian. I think they robbed the White Sox though
Kaprelian who’s always hurt. Fowler who shredded his knee and is known for his speed. And Mateo who doesn’t have an actual position. I mean not robbed the As but didn’t give a lot up
The A’s will be good as long as Fowler recovers from that knee injury & Kaprelian comes back from TJ surgery. Mateo will be pretty good when he is able to hit major league pitching.
Please. This is more like the way they robbed the Rangers for Alex Rodriguez.
EXACTLY Sly—without the PED’s;)
And Ctguy—wishing so foolishly for crazy optimism will be biting you by June.
Cubs would have had a decent shot, but they traded 4 minor leaguers, 3 of which were top-100, and one being the best minor league prospect for(ahem) Jose Quintana
Who was the third Top-100 prospect, because I’m pretty sure Jimenez and Cease were the only two in the Top 100.
Any team could have made this trade, as long as they could pay him. Miami didn’t care about what it got back, they just wanted salary relief. Hence why a prospect poor team like the Giants also had a deal in place.
New MLBTR poll: who should we feel worse for, Giants fans or Marlins fans?
Mariners fans (after not getting Otani)
I’d say Giants. The Mariners were only in on Ohtani, the Giants were in on both and their fans were salivating about the idea of having both, and they got none.
Yeah, lol that’s pretty good. I’d only stan for the Mariners because because they talk the biggest game every offseason, and always get called “The dark horse” for the following season, and always ALWAYS fail. The Giants at least have had titles and signed some guys before. It seems like every year for the last 10 years we’ve had to read about how the Mariners “made a winner” with their offseason moves, but it never plays out!
Mets fans Justin. Giving that you don’t declare your position it’s easy to detect.
Which Marlins fans?
Zing!
Can you imagine the marketing and press build up now.. Lol yankees red sox games or more so, if the Yanks reach the world series. Media will certainly treat it like Mantle and Maris if they live up to the power numbers… Not to mention its brilliant too for tickets…they sell tickets anyways – but this sweetens the pot.
Baseball sucks. It has been ruined by money. Geography should not determine who wins. Horrible system. How can you feel pride in a team that spends 3 times more than most. Not that difficult to win in that situation. Sad
“Geography should not determined who wins”
Well. It’s a good thing it doesn’t. These low payroll Marlins have won 2 championships since the Dodgers last won a title , and 1 of the 2 championships was against the high payroll Yankees.
Some team from Kansas City not too long ago beat another NY team in the WS too.
what happened to the Marlin’s and now the Ryals right after they won? Did they continue on with the same cast? No, Why? The Yankees suck because they should absolutely win every year with all the revenue they have. Do you understand that the to rights for the Yankees brings them billions, while a small market get maybe 30-40 over the whole deal. Get real
Yeah, how dare they put their money on the field instead of in the owners’ pockets.
LOL Okay Gramps.
Sorry for your misery David. It’s time to seek professional help OR find a new team.
Joel Sherman – Castro, Devers, Guzman for Stanton and $30M pending physical. #Yankees doing thorough work up so might not be finalized until tomorrow or Monday
Sherman also said the Yankees will only get the $30 mil if he doesn’t opt out.
Embarrassment to the game of baseball. One of the most prolific hitters this game has seen gets moved for that? I also wonder if the commissioners office will approve given the money being exchanged. That’s what nixed A-Rod to the Sox (not complaining now). Marlins need to go
Completely inaccurate… what nixed the A-Rod to Red Sox trade was that he was going to take a pay cut. The players Association didn’t want his deal to set a precedent of a player leaving money behind just to complete a trade.
A-Rod to the Bosox got nixed because the MLBPA wouldn’t let A-Rod take a pay cut.
Hey weather—there is a low fog around
your head. Amnesia has set in. Since the circumstances are historically well documented it might be a good idea to use google to search facts rather than share your sad rant.
Stick to weather.
You spent about 125 words of a 200 word blogpost doling out credit. Guess what – nobody cares WHO got the story…just get it right.
This entire website is based on those people “nobody cares” about. Sheesh.
Congrats to the yankees. I think they figure that the 150 million less dollars to get a top flight player was more important that harper or machado. I think harpers market with be soley the dodgers and cubs and perhaps nationals now.
I’m thinking Machado will join the Yanks next year. He has already stated his desire to play there. Here’s a sample lineup-2019
Hicks
Judge
Stanton
Sanchez
Machado
Bird
Gregorius
Frazier
Torres
Who needs pitching with that?
When did Machado say that?
Last season
No
Because you win with pitching
and defense!
Why wouldn’t the Giants and Cards be in on Harper? They went after Stanton.
The Phillies have always been the favorites.
I’ve read over the CBA and can’t find an answer to a question that puzzles me. How does Stanton (or any player traded in the middle of a multi-year contract) impact the Yankees Luxury Tax bill? It is supposed to be calculated on the AAV of the contract, so teams can structure deals anyway they want and still be charged the same costs in terms of luxury tax. Stanton’s contract has an AAV of $25/m per year, but because of the backloaded deal he will be making $29.5M on average. Do the Yankees get charged that amount to their AAV, or are they charged $25/M?
I realize that the Marlins are also kicking in roughly $30M, and however that is structured (be it in the first three years due to the opt-out, or spread out over the life of the contract) will impact the AAV of the contract and how much the Yankees are actually charged. But that’s not as big a question as the first part. Anyone actually know?
Good question, I’d like to know as well
Do you know how an opt out works? The Yankees ONLY get the money if he DOESNT opt out after the first 3 years
The 30M is subtracted from the 325M to bring it down to 295M for purposes of calculating the salary cap hit for the Yankees. It gets divided evenly over the 13 years which brings his cap hit to ~22M per year..
Castro’s contract is 7/60M which works out to 8.5M per year. This is what the Marlins are charged for their cap hit and also what is subtracted from the Yankees total. Therefore the Yankees will add ~14M net for the next two years and 22M after that.
11 players have had 9 or 10 year contracts in MLB: Stanton, A-Rod, Cano, Pujols, Votto, Jeter, Tulowitzki, Helton, Fielder, Posey, Griffey Jr. 4 (so far) had major injury issues (there could be more.) 9 or 10 years is a long time for a player to be at their peak or even close. With players like Giambi and Sabathia one would think Yankees would have learned their lesson. Good luck with another albatross contract.
Thanks for sharing Joe. Will you be joining us in the canyon of heroes for next year’s World Series’ championship parade?
Yankees back to buying championship again!
Oh my god! The Horrors! A company using its resources to better itself! Just think what will start happening if companies like Apple, Samsung, Google, etc. start using their resources on research and development!
You would think it’s a business or something huh?
No other teams do that right?
So we’ll just ignore the fact that Bird, Castro, Didi, Sanchez, Judge, Hicks, Severino, Gray, Montgomery and almost the entire bullpen aside from Chapman were acquired via drafting or trades huh? Ok.
All teams “BUY” championships ! Do any players for other teams play for free?
Amusing, watching Yankees fans pick themselves up from getting dismissed as a moribund franchise by Ohtani and seizing on paying an aging Stanton as their next messiah. I’ve seen this before somewhere….
A moribund franchise?? Most idiotic comment of the day. Lol
Madman had another idiotic statement included in his rant; aging Stanton. He must be a mets or Red Sox fan to be so desperate.
I think you should worry about your division rival Astros and Angels right now instead of the Yankees
Dude, the war is over. You can get parts for your head now.
Wow…..a lot of guys are super high on Guzman but that’s it? Him and Jose Devers (who???). Amazing. John Sickles had Guzman as a B+/B pitcher and the Yanks 8th best prospect. Devers, I’ve never even heard of and wasn’t on his top 20 list. He was listed under “others of note”.
Either Jeter rushed this a bit or the Dodgers, Cubs, Astros all indicated they weren’t interested in taking on his contract. This almost a too good to be true. I wonder if mlb will let it go thru?
You forgot the 25 mil in payroll the Marlins are saving each year
You are ignoring way too much. This might be one of the worst trades for the Yankees in a long time.
Not a fan of the trade in the sense that it’s a lot of money for a player we didn’t need. However, any trade or FA signing that shells out tens of millions has a shot to be the “worst ever”. You simply have to do your research and hope the player stays healthy.
Best case scenario for the Yanks is that he has 3 great healthy years and then he opts out and walks.
It will be far better investing in Yankee tickets than your plight jorleeduf: paying for seats at Citifield is an act of wasteful intention.
Essentially the first move they make is dumping Giancarlo to the Yankees……….and was it something like this? Stanton, Bour, and Prado for Castro, Adams, Florial, Guzman, Perez, German, Austin, and Cody Carroll? Nope. Just a straight salary dump to the team woth the best farm system in baseball….good job. So lazy. Could have easily saved over 40 million without moving Stanton, but noooo that was too “important.” Now we still have Ozuna at only 2 years of control, so he still should be gone too, but they’ll definitely mess that up. What a joke. This feels like we’re still the same non organization we’ve always been. And Jeter is straight up telling us that Marlins fans don’t exist, never existed, and none of their history matters. The new tv deal finally coming up apparently doesn’t matter. They just assume by bottoming out, even though we have young, controllable pieces that can be built around, people will care when they start getting decent again in 5+ years. Knowing this population well enough…thats just a mistake. They still see you as another Loria, b/c they have no indication of reason to believe things will be different when they matter, even if the more regular baseball fans might be slightly more understanding of the situation. It especially looks bad b/c there were other ways to do this, and he ultimately dumped him to the yankees…..
I personally blame this on everyone who was giving the Yankees fans crap about Ohtani.
Haha
Here here company. Thanks for your open mindedness and spirit.
Haha! Karma is alive
and well in the Bronx!
annnnnnnd in other news, the Astros are STILL the best team in baseball. this trade will not change that in 2018.
Not any more mi amigo
Last I saw there was a 30 way tie at 0-0
Nope the Tigers are 0-3 already
Too bad mart that the glossy trophy has already started to accumulate tarnish. For a first timer it’s a normal rookie mistake. Without career years the wild card will be tough to come by.
Nothing is certain (but barring injuries) the NYY will win the AL East for years to come…only way my beloved Red Sox team will be able to compete with that monster lineup is by signing BOTH Bryce Harper & Manny Machado.
No guarantee that the Yanks don’t sign Harper as well
Hitting wins games but pitching wins championships
Baseball economics are wack!
The Red Sox can continue to be the “beasts of the east” with top flight pitching and solid team defense. I believe the Red Sox meet the Yankees six times during the course of the 2018 season. Sales, Price and Porcello will start at least 15 of those outings, if healthy. If the Red Sox move to get another right handed starting pitcher, with exceptional talent, or if Steve Wright returns to his 2016 form, after knee surgery, the BoSox can more than hold their own with the Bombers. It will come down to which of the two teams beats up more on their division and non-division rivals.
Attention Hawk: do you know what this lineup is going to do to your lefty starters?
Hint: don’t sit in the big monster if you want to be safe.
The Red Sox were anemic w the long ball last year. The Yankees will hit more than 100 homerun above whatever the Sox got.
I for one am glad this is over. Although, I did say Marlin fans would be disappointed by the return for him
What happens to Clint Frazier?
This is the first of several moves for Cash. Now that he has secured Stanton (pending the physical, of course), I’d bet he moves Frazier for young controllable pitching (starter or lefty reliever) . If he can’t, then he gets 1 more year of seasoning in AAA waiting for Gardy to leave after this season.
I personally think it’s time to cut bait with Ellsbury too. Find a club willing to pay him 5-7 million per year for the next 3 and eat the rest. It’s dead money now anyway, those few millions saved will help keep us below the luxury cap this year.
Steamer is projecting him as replacement level… the Yankees aren’t even gonna get that for ellsbury.
Not sure what Yankees motivation was to acquire Stanton (2017 no. 2 team in all of MLB in runs scored/RBI) but THANK YOU from this Dodgers fan. I was starting to worry that Dodgers were going to acquire Stanton. Thanks Bombers!
Yeah- who would want a 59 HR MVP. Silly Yanks
Your welcome SoCal. With the angels nipping at your teams heals they will have to move off their butts quickly or be back to the Dodger way. Maybe it was foolish to throw your swagger around during the NLCS when your bullpen melted and key players paled.
Sad day for Jorge Guzman. Goes from a fireballing top prospect, to “low level prospect.” That NY prospect shine has officially worn off. Now he is a high upside prospect lottery ticket instead of a future HOF #1 pitcher.
Pour out some beer for Guzman today.
“Low level” refers to the level he played meaning AAA, AA, A+, A and rookie league. It doesn’t , in anyway, speak to his ability.
Low level does NOT refer to AA or AAA!
Joining Henry Owens among the many Failed Future HOFers
Starlin Castro can play 2B and SS. Where will he be opening day?
he should probably be in LF when you look at his defensive metrics..
On another team
Well if he’s not on the Yankees, it seems like everybody else is on the Angels
In queens…
So for Castro (2 bWAR), Guzman (org #7 prospect) and Devers (18 years old) they get the reigning NL MVP who hit 59 dingers last year. Oh and the Marlins threw in $30MM as an opt-out insurance policy for good measure.
Wow.
Guzman is actually the Yankees’ #9 prospect. Albert Abreu is #7
The losers here are MLB for allowing underfunded owners to purchase a MLB team. The Marlins will suffer for years for trading a MVP for nothing in return. Money should have never entered the equation. If Stanton is worth X amount of WAR present and future, the players the Marlins received should have the potential to produce same amount of value. This trade hurts the Marlins organization for several years because of player value lost, not monetary value lost.
Hey notagain: it’s the same for you with another year of disappointment on deck for your team. Play by the rules and stop crying
Can he pitch? Cool so they lose 13-12 everyday
Wow Ryro! You have a handle on the Yankees pitching stats. NOT.
I would be embarrassed to admit that you are my daddy with such sour grapes spewing from your mouth with nothing to back it up.
Marlins should have been able to get more. Maybe Andujar or another prospect in the 10-15 tier in addition to Guzman… got to say though, Stanton deserves the yanks so I’m happy for him. Thanks for the memories G!
Andujar will play 2B, Torres 3B
Andujar will play third, Torres with play second. Andujar’s best tool is his arm, you don’t put someone with a Canon for an arm at second
Andujar is a 3b only.
It was an old school Marlins salary dump dude. This is still not a real baseball organization, and that’s how we end up with a return like that, from the best farm system in baseball, even though they actually kicked in money and took back salary…we’re still the joke of sports. The Knicks have nothing on the Marlins in that department. It’s not even close
Stanton had them over a barrel with little options. He gave them 4 teams, two of which were never going to seriously pursue him (Cubs, Astros), and one club whose current management (Friedman) has shown zero desire to spend on this kind of contract, leaving only the Yankees as possible suitors. And the Yankees didn’t need Stanton as much as the Marlins needed his contract off their books.
But the most blame for this deal should go to MLB for allowing an ill-equipped ownership group into the league simply because golden boy Derek Jeter’s name is attached to it.
Rofl they didn’t have to trade him right now. Obviously, the Yankees had some leverage by them doing it like this…there were other avenues that could tale the Marlins to the payroll level they were looking for, while also helping the farm system, and then putting them in a better position with Stanton, either moving forward with him on the team, or potentially moving him at a slightly later time, either during the season, or more likely, next off-season, when teams have all their money earmarked, and there are multiple free agents that make this contract look like nothing…the fact you buy into how imperative it was to move the contract just shows that the same Loria, and now this group, bs works, and why it won’t change b/c despite my belief that they’ll do the right things when it matters eventually, other people in south Florida will not give them that same belief, b/c all they’ve seen is another Loria. The new tv deal, which is significantly important, will be garbage, and in a few years, Jeter will realize the things he did when he came into the organization left a lasting effect on the remainder of the fan base, to the point they won’t even care if they win, and then b/c of that, we’ll be right back here at this point……again
If they didn’t “have” to trade him, they wouldn’t have settled for a garbage return. it’s obvious the Sherman/Jeter group does not have the money to cover the contract, starting immediately. The accrued too much debt to finance the club, and even now are reportedly looking for outside investors to provide up to a 20% infusion of cash.
the Marlins, even with the new owners, are a sinking ship. They have a poor revenue stream, ill-equipped owners, and mountains of debt. If you run a business, which baseball is, the first thing you do is rid yourself of your biggest obligation, and that was Stanton. Yes, the Marlins HAD to trade him this offseason before his contract spikes next year.
I’m not going to get into this again, but there are so, so many facts that say they didn’t need to trade him right now, and especially in a dump like this.
If they would’ve waited until next year, they would’ve been worse off than what they got this year! The market will be flooded with free agents like him next year. They should’ve waited to trade him at the deadline this year!
Buzz heilexx….
You were sleeping a few years ago when Jeffry Loria signed him to the co tract. He’s the dope and mlb should have tapped him on the shoulder.
Don’t blame Jeter. He’s just working at starting over for a franchise w so many quick fixes.
You look like a sour grapes Yankee hater.
Sign T Frazier?
Classy Stretch. You will be invited back to see Stanton at Yankee Stadium. The consolation prize for all of the haters is to be handcuffed to your seat for a mets game next summer.
Who plays in right field?
Yankees are set up for a run if they can secure even just mediocre SP. Hand the rock over to the pen in the 5th when Tanaka and Serevino aren’t on the bump…..interested to see if DD hot smacking the panic button right now?
Tanaka/Gray/Severino/Montgomery is a pretty good start. Will be interesting to see if they settle on CC as the 5th or try to package something using maybe Frazier and others for a #2 type.
Yankees need more starting pitching that those 4. Those 4 won’t win a championship. They need more that just a 5th starter. They need a innings eater solid#3 and a #4. Watch watch happen this year with normal injuries and the up and downs of the long season.
Cashman is a genius and he probably can see this as well, so I would look for Cashman to acquire quality pitching not just depth or old guys.
First thought: it’s messed up that a top-5 player in all of baseball was just, essentially, given away. Second thought: it’s even more messed up that Loria would agree to that contract, making such a move necessary. Third thought: holy crap the Yankees are good now. Fourth thought: If dumping salary remains the Marlins’ priority over getting real prospects, then I vote no confidence in the Sherman/Jeter group.
When they come to the Bay Area to play the A’s I’m going to verbally assault this candy ass for 27 innings straight.
You stay classy, Oakland.
Hey joe…billy beane has been notified. You have effectively been banned for
Poor sportsmanship and being a risk to other fans. Good luck watching in your iPhone.
I’m a Giants fan. He could have let them know a month ago he wouldn’t approve a trade and I wouldn’t have had a problem with it, as it’s his right. But to purposely blue ball the whole offseason like this is ridiculous. Zero respect for the man now.
He had an open mind and listened. Sorry he didn’t want to play for your Giants because they were not one player away from being a good club.
The reference to billy beane is that it sounds like you may consider flipping over the Bay bridge and their fans don’t line fickle giants fans as you know.
Anybody think they’ll actually win one before opt out? Haha. Not even sure they make it to alcs again. Pitching is horrendous. Be interesting to see the regression of judge, grab the popcorn.
Their lineup does look ridiculous though
Horrendous? Most teams would love Tanaka, Gray, and Severino as their top 3. Montgomery is a capable #4. Just about anybody will suffice in the #5 role when the team is average 6 runs a game on offense.
Ahh you right forgot about gray. pretty solid 1-3 on most days.
Moronic jealousy based comment from a jealous bitter Birds fan
Oh wish we had him for sure, but think we’ll make a couple moves to multiple positions to benefit as well without stanton.
Yanks starters ranked 7th overall and the bullpen ranked 1st. Other than CC we have both the starting rotation and bullpen intact…..but hate on.
Scary truth is that the Yanks have other assets to trade to improve the starting staff OR they can decide to sign a FA and go over the lux tax (doubtful tho).
There are still some decent pitchers in the free agent market. Who says the Yankees are done? Plus they can still make trades!
I’m happy for Yankee fans,
Looks like they have another Murder’s Row.
For years to come.
Yankees should be a very entertaining team.
Wondering why Stanton wants to pay more in income taxes by going to the NYY?
He makes the call since he has a no trade clause.
Guess he wants to win or at least be in the race now.
Congrats to Jeter for unloading the weight on his payroll.
Perhaps we should now think of Miami as part of the NYY farm system .. LOL
Perhaps he’ll earn more in endorsements in a bigger market?
It wasn’t Jeter that created the 400m debts just surprised he bought it. Perhaps they need to shed all this money to get to a 0 balance, then things might look up. Bit like paying off your mortgage? Upcoming TV deal should give them some relief…
You have to look at these trades as a business.
Jeter wanted to unload the payroll and Stanton specifically limited the teams he would waive his no trade clause to NYY, LAD, HOU and CHC.
The high payroll was one of the reasons the Marlins floundered and ultimately likely had to be sold.
You can have all the equity in the world but without liquidity you can drown.
Jeter seems to understand money.
When you build a team you have to balance your sources and uses of revenue.
Preferably the sources are more than the uses.
AT LAST a deal is done!
Marlins got robbed
Baseball would be so much more entertaining if there was a salary cap
100% AGREE
AGREE 100%
It would be as dull and boring as the NFL, a league of mediocrity.
A league that currently has 17 teams that could mathematically make the playoffs. That’s boring to you?
When more people are interested in what happens during the national anthem than during the game it is boring.
Why? So the owners can make more money? Thats exactly what would happen. It’s millionaires fighting billionaires for money! Simple as that!
Introducing the Golden State Warriors of the MLB. The Yankees just got their Kevin Durant.
“The US Gymnastics team was so dominant I heard Kevin Durant saying he was going to join them” – Peyton Manning
Quote Of The Year
As someone who hates the Yankees, this makes me very happy.
-Yankees lose a lot of money
-Yankees lose 2 top prospects
-Yankees lose 2nd best position player of 2017
-Yankees gain a very injury prone player
-Yankees now need a 1st baseman, second baseman, and third baseman.
-Lost some tools to trade for any of those, plus money to sign them.
No where to put Stanton, besides DH, where they would be losing his amazing defense.
Overall, terrible trade for the Yankees.
They have Bird, Torreyes and Headley?
They will be fine.
They likely will also resign Frazier who can play 1B & 3B.
1. We don’t lose money, we are using it to pay Stanton instead potentially Harper
2. These are NOT top prospects AT ALL
3. Castro put up 2 WAR. What?
4. Stanton is a little fragile but I guess I would be too if I was hit in the face with a fastball
5. Greg Bird is 1b, Chase Headley is a solid (not spectacular) 3b, and 2b won’t be a problem to fill
6. Wait what?
7. Stanton/Judge will rotate in RF
Overall you spewed out a lot of idiotic statements. I really hope you’re either upset or trolling
Bird has potential, but hasn’t had success in the majors, he’s unproven. Headley is decent, but no way worth starting. 2nd base? Not too easy to fill. The best second basemen, besides Hernandez are on contending teams, and he’s likely to go to the Angels. By some of the top prospects, I mean their top prospects (obviously not the top top, but they are top 30, one of them is top ten.
Why are you even permitted to post. Cash man is running roughshod over the rest of MLB
1. Didn’t lose money
2. Didn’t lose any top prospects
3. Castro was their 6th best position player of 2017
4. Bird is the first basemen, Wade/Torres 2B, Headley is 3B.
Just so much wrong in your post…
What’s the over/under on the # of dislikes for this comment? I’m going for at least -25
I’m sure they’ll figure out some way to get Judge and Stanton in the lineup together
You really don’t know much about baseball do you?
According to almost every one of these comments, nobody wanted the NL MVP on their favorite team. I’m happy he’s on mine now.
Amen
Cashman showed why he is GM of the year on this one, he got Stanton for 25 million a year if he stays and he only gave up his number a couple of lower level prospects and Castro. If he now moves Gardner it will be a wash. This will still leave him 30 million to spend on a pitcher without going over the cap. Genius!
Not hard to make that kind of a deal when the player controls all the leverage.
Plus there’s no “cap” in baseball.
100% agree! If they had a cap things would actually be fair. They probably just allowed the richest team to buy another world series next year.
The Dodgers spent $40 mil more than the Yanks last year. If Stanton went to LA would you be saying the same thing?
The point being if there was anything even vaguely resembling a sensible financial system in baseball there would be more than the usual big market suspects agglomerating talent
But Jeter wanted to unload the payroll and Stanton specifically limited the teams he would waive his no trade clause to NYY, LAD, HOU and CHC.
So why doesn’t Jeter get GM of the year?
Because he isn’t the GM
Good deal for the Yankees. The Marlins had few options and the Yanks were one of a few teams willing to take on that much money. The Marlins now have their coveted payroll flexibility. What they do with it in the coming years will determine how successful the deal is from their end.
Just heard on WFAN that the Yankees are paying $11 million of Castro’s remaining salary. So the Yankees are taking on 100% of Stanton’s deal in 2018-2020, sending a starting MLB player, 2 prospects and $10 million over 2018-2019 to the Marlins.
So much for Cashman’s pronouncement yesterday that the Yankees would absolutely be under the luxury tax threshold.
And that matters to you why?
I don’t think the Yankees are sending any cash in the deal!
So much for your pronouncement that the Marlins would get multiple elite prospects for Stanton.
Exactly ! I said all along that Marlin fans are gonna be really dissapointed in what they get for Stanton! But so did a lot of other people too.
What if Cashman offers to extend Stanton a year causing him not to opt out? Yanks could get him for free in 2021
Congrats Yankees fans. As a Giants fan I guess I’ll have to savor those 3 WS wins for awhile. Long road ahead for us.
I’ve been thinking the Giants needed a rebuild. Their current squad is expensive and underperforming, i would trade them all away. But then again, im no GM so im probably wrong
1980s yankees
All hittin no pitching
Except they have arguably the best bullpen in baseball. And a rotation that features Luis Severino, Gray, Tanaka, and Montgomery.
Just the best bullpen in baseball and a rotation led by a Cy Young candidate in Luis Severino, Masahiro Tanaka who has had one bad half in his first 3 years, Sonny Gray who is a solid middle rotation arm with potential to be better if he stays healthy. Then we have Jordan Montgomery who was solid as well. Clearly we will add one more arm yet but this staff has better pitching than half of baseball
Yankees finished 5th in all of major league baseball in ERA plus last year.
You do realize there’s this thing called the :”internet” which allows us all to fact check right? Do your “googles” homie. Yanks starters were 7th among all teams and the bullpen ranked #1. Is there liability with regards to health (Tanaka and Grey) and possible regression (Severino and Montgomery)? Of course. But they are far from being all hit and no pitching.
No pitching? Best pen in baseball. Severino cy Young potential. Solid starters throughout. Learn baseball
It is not wat a rotation has done in the past that makes them good, it is what a rotation does in the future that makes them good. This rotation cannot get the Yankees to the promised land championship this year without the addition of a solid #3 and a #4. Time will show this truth.
So you’re saying you can predict the future. Can I get the winning lotto numbers?
There are two types of scouts, the ones that hold radar guns, stop watches and read about war which is based on the past and science and then there are those that are based on intuitive decision making or the “gut”. Intuitive decision makers can know about a player’s future whereas the scientific types cannot.
There are great scouting books and great management texts around about intuitive decision making if you would like to learn more.
Rickeo is a moroneo
Someone remind me how Stanton made the Marlins better again. They cant even make the playoffs, wants to play for a winner and signs a contract that prevents the team from building a winner. Priceless stupidity ! He and Judge will lead the league in strikeouts yet again
Ummm…the Marlins team pitching ERA of 4.82 is the reason why they weren’t competitive last year. Marlins management promised him that they would build a team around him. Very unfair for you to turn Staton into a bad guy. He accepted the contract OFFERED to him (he didn’t demand an extension) and new management TOLD him that they wanted to get rid of his contract. He didn’t demand a trade. He did his part and should leave Miami with nothing but respect from the fan base,
Ya getting paid $6.5 million, $6.5 million, $9 million, and $14 million over a 4 year stretch really kept the Marlins from building around him…..it wasn’t Jeffrey Loria and trash trades, and dumb signings, and injuries, and bad drafts, or the ace tragically dying at 24 years old at all……………..
Someone remind me how Stanton made the Marlins better again. They cant even make the playoffs. He wants to play for a winner and signs a contract that prevents the team from building a winner. Priceless stupidity ! He and Judge will lead the league in strikeouts yet again
Apparently someone needs to remind you how not to double post.
Quiet, he’s 84 years old.
And he still can’t play third base.
He signed a contract that was offered to him by the team. If anyone is dumb it’s the people who offered him the contract. I’m sure you would turn down that money because your a great guy right?
rip my avatar
Well if the Cubs ever trade Kyle, I’ll have to commit Harry Caray.
anyone know how to change it lol
Brixton v2.0?
Wow of all the lopsided trades I’ve seen this takes the cake.. what a surprise it’s involving Jeter and the Yankees. Smells real fishy. I couldn’t pull this off on an Xbox game.
That’s because there is no real baseball game on XBOX lol
Uh really?….
2K gave up their MLB license.
I love all the Yankee haters commenting on the back end of his contract,,,,The Yankees obviously don’t care about the last few years of a contract,,,money is not a a huge issue for them…who’s to say Stanton won’t be a productive hitter when he’s 34-35….his contract will be down to 2 or 3 years then….2025??? who cares?
The Yankees care. While they’ve exceeded the luxury tax in the past they’ve always worked within a budget. The new rules pretty much make dip below the luxury tax every 4 or 5 years. That’s going to be tough with Stanton’s huge deal. Stanton is unlikely to be a productive hitter at 34-35 because most players aren’t and similar players haven’t been.
From your attitude I assume you’re fine with the Yankees paying Ellsbury huge sums for little return every year.
Wonder if the Angels can get Castro for second base, and finally fill that void.
Where does Stanton even play? Judge is already in rf, Yankees have Gardner, elsbury and Frazier in addition for the of.. Stanton at dh would be a waste of talent for a player in his prime. I could see the Yankees trading Gardner or elsbury, if the Yankees eat most of elsburys money for a oft injured of.
Better question would be, where is Frazier, Gardner and Elsbury going to play?
He’ll play in LF, Gardner moves to CF, while Ellsbury continues to be the most expensive PR.
Hicks is the starting CF. I will be shocked if they move Gardner back to CF. With the DH open there’s room for Hicks, Stanton and Gardner to get AB. Gardner is a FA after the season.
Also would not be shocked if Frazier is used in a trade.
Looks like Gardner, Hicks, Stanton and Judge for a rotation in 3 OF spots and the DH….Ellsbury is the issue…can Yanks dump him off somewhere?…Clint Frazier in deal for a pitcher?
Stanton will hit 75 HR’s in Yankee Stadium.
This team in stacked offensively.
Barring injuries this team will win 100 games even with their current starters.
And I’m a Red Sox fan.
75 homers huh? I doubt that. And you being a Red Sox fan is relevant how?
Remember when Brian McCan aws signed? And how he was gonna hit 40 HR? I say Stanton, Judge and Sanchez wont hit 100 HR combined next season
That’s adorable
I’ll take that bet!
Jeter knew all along that he was going to try to get him to the Yanks. That should be ruled insider trading.
Lol go home
Oh Jeter knew it all along … ok dimwit
Go home, you’re drunk
What a deflating feeling. Congratulations Giancarlo Stanton, 2017 National League MVP!! 1st MVP in Marlins history. Super congratulations for making it out of sports hell, and finally being a part of a real organization. Well deserved…
I remember when a kid named Michael Stanton was in A ball in 2007, and the stories that began circulating became legendary. The next couple of years in the minor leagues, he was like a mythical creature. I waited, with so much anticipation, for the day that he would get called up to the big leagues, and would be a Marlin. I couldn’t wait to see someone so unique, and know that he was only ours, and nobody would have anyone else like him. That day came in June 2010, when he was still just 20 years old. I already had my Stanton jersey. I was there for his first games at home, and saw him hit that Grand Slam off Tampa Bay, and was there for almost every home game the rest of the way. Since then, there have been some tough injuries, and some really tough team circumstances, but through everything, we had Giancarlo Stanton. I always knew he was capable of incredible, and historic things. We got to see that in a full season this year. He got robbed of it in 2014 when he got hit in the face. This time, there was no way he didn’t deserve it. With this really being the end of the road with our face of the franchise, I’m so happy he got the accolades he deserved, and was able to put on the show that he did this year, including hosting the All Star Game at Marlins Park. Since this is it, with a couple of tears in my eyes, I can just say “Thank you.” Giancarlo Stanton is a once in a lifetime player. If he stays healthy, he will be on his way to being a future Hall of Famer. No matter what happens, this MVP will always be part of Miami. I just wish it were for a lot longer. As much as I hate the Yankees with a passion, I hope Giancarlo destroys little league park, and puts his name on the map, where it belongs
truly this is the best timeline.
im absolutely loving this trade but im gonna miss castro, he was a good dude. someone had to be moved for the new crop of prospects coming up anyway but i wished that somehow Castro would get to see a WS victory on the Yankees. good luck to him
Angels will pick him up, so he’ll still see a WS victory 😉
Good luck with that, Angels really need Ohtani to be as advertised and then some if they want a WS win.
Not this coming season
Ohtani is still unknwon, he probably wont hit a single HR in 2018
Now open up negotiations for Teheran maybe Bentances & Frazier could get it done with the Braves throwing in a prospect maybe a Touki or Wentz
No.
I’d much rather keep Touki and Wentz and not use them get an expensive reliever and a meh outfielder.
I wonder if Ohtani is rethinking the decision to not go to NYY
highly doubt it, I fact, I’m sure he’s even more happy about his disicion
How would a team getting the reigning NL MVP and an increased chance to win the WS without him make him more happy about his decision? Im sure the kid wants to win which is why i brought this up in the first place.
Ohtani has a chance to play alongside the best baseball player alive right now, and is on the west coast. Not everything is about the yankees
I realize not everything is about the Yankees, however this article is about the Yankees picking up the NL MVP and having a team primed for a deeper playoff run than the team he chose. If Stanton went to LAD i would be saying the same thing just with the Dodgers and not the Yankees.
Stanton put up better number than Trout last year, but best ever? Stop saying that, Trouts good, people… but there are better like Altuve etc
Ohtani couldn’t handle NY anyways, he will flop as a Lamegel too
No one has mentioned this, (I don’t think) but i believe Ohtani wanted to be on the west coast so it would be easier to fly back and forth to Japan. Chicago’s O’Hare has direct flights to Tokyo and Houston must also, or he would not even considered those two teams.
Minneapolis has direct flights to Japan
I mean, I figured that was one of the reasons why he wanted west coast when it was first mentioned that it was one of his preferences. Still, my point was more about he could have went to a really good team.
How many times during the season do you think he will fly home to Japan? LoL! I’ll say none!
Wow. Didn’t see that one coming. I would take Ohtani over Stanton and his contract any day.
I dunno bout all that. I like Ohtani but he hasnt proved anything in the MLB just yet. Im not saying hes gonna be a bust but its not out of the realm of possibilities. Reigning MVP > Unproven yet talented player
The Twin Towers
Could also refer to Gumby and CC if CC re-signs as their two rotation lefties.
Anyone know where ohtani is going to go? Yankees seem like a good fit on paper
Signed with angels yesterday
Thanks
If the Marlins signed him he’d be going to the Yankees today.
Lol ^
Let’s go Yankees!
Lmao all non yankee fans are so mad
Glad I’m not a Marlins. Won’t be competitive unless 2030
Can we move Sanchez to 3rd now and get a real catcher since we don’t need the offense at that position anymore and bring gleyber up for 2nd base. Move headley, Gardner, and ellsbury. Let Frazier be the 4th outfielder.
Gleyber most likely coming up to man 2nd but I don’t see the Yankees shifting Sanchez out of C just yet even with his struggles behind the plate. Frazier is likely expendable now for any missing pieces or younger prospects. Ells likely will be the 4th OF next year since he has his no trade clause. Headley is the only one of those you mentioned I think will get moved.
The Frazier he is referring to is Clint, not Todd. Todd is a FA
I’m referring to Clint, as well.
Thats odd then, because why would Clint be expendable for younger prospects?
Are you high? The only hole in Sanchez’s defensive game as a catcher is untimely passed balls. He has a recorded pop time of 1.89 and has an incredible arm. He also a decent framer at the plate.
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Also, dont move Gardner for a second Clint’s .231 BA and .268 OBP is not good enough to bench Gardners .264 BA and .350 OBP
I’m not saying Sanchez can’t be a really good catcher but I’d rather not wear him out catching I’d rather have him for 10-12 years healthy instead of 5-7 before he starts to break down it happens to every catcher
What makes you think Sanchez can play third? That is the silliest thing I have ever heard he can play DH but highly doubt third. I will admit that I don’t know maybe he played there in the minors and you know something I don’t know. From what I have seen he doesn’t look like a third baseman to me.
You can’t put him at dh this early in his career he’ll be stuck there forever I would say send him to first but that’s all bird I think Sanchez can handle 3rd he’s got the arm he has a quick enough first couple steps to react
He has the arm he does not look quick to me at all. He wasn’t quick enough to avoid passed balls I think it’s a pipe dream at third a position he has never played or displayed the athleticism for the position.
If he can’t play catcher he is a DH in the making.
I wonder who else the Marlins trade snark where if they trade anyone
I thought Jeter was part owner of the Marlins. Didn’t know you could own one team and work for another. Jeter did Yanks a favor if that’s all they got was those 2 players
They also got out of a $265M commitment.
I will say this for Marlins fans. Gary Denbo was brought over to Miami from the Yankees. He knows our system intimately and maybe he sees something special in Guzman (widely regarded as a high-ceiling prospect) and Devers.
This is only a good trade for the Yanks if they win it all at least once or twice in the next five years, which is a strong possibility now
Aaron Judge. Giancarlo Stanton. Gary Sanchez
Not a bad 3-4-5
Gotta say though it’s risky.. I mean we are talking about your 3/4 hitters probably for 5/10 years and they are both probably 250-270 hitter with 150+ strike outs a piece, couple that with the fact they may be red flags for injury
Also what happened to playing for the right porch? Your 3-4-5 are right handed?
All 3 players have show the ability to hit hrs out of any park. Obviously it didn’t effect Judge or Sanchez..
Also, who’s to say Stanton won’t opt out? I think Judge will learn to cut down on his kos too.
Why do you suspect judge is going to cut down on his strike outs lol?? Just a bird told you? He only increased his k rate as the season went on, has always been strike out prone in the minors which is why he spent 3 years there.
He spent 3 years in the minors because that’s the standard for most prospects. Not sure why you even said that.
Judge has great strike zone judgement. That’s why he had the 2nd highest walk rate. I do believe he can become better.
First off in 348 minor league games he had 373 strike outs. That’s about 175+ strike outs per 162 games, and that was minor league baseball.
Second he had such a high walk rate because pitchers were pitching around him.
That’s what it looks like through the homerscope. That was always the question with Judge… could he keep the K’s managed enough to be more than the next Mark Reynolds. He certainly did in 2017. We’ll see how it goes moving forward. But let’s not act like it wasn’t a concern in the minors and when he came up in 2016.
With Gardner, Didi and Bird around them I think the strikeout risk is mitigated somewhat. They could even hit Didi or Bird in the no. 4 spot if they wish to put a left handed hitter in between. That’s a great lineup (together with Hicks), regardless of who plays second base or third base (I suspect that’s gonna be Headly now)
You do realize GREG bird also played at around a 150+ strike out per season rate as well right?!
You do realize he played the first month with a broken os trigonum and was terrible because of it, went on the DL, and didn’t come back until September, right?
You do realize he played the same number of mlb games in 2015 right? With an even higher strike out rate right?
Did the Marlins confuse Jose Devers for Rafael Devers?
Mark my words. The Yankees will rue the day they made this deal.
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Who ever wrote this article can I just say you got yourself quite a bit exited here… you said that judge Stanton and Sanchez would be an absolute terror against lefties and then referred to the sox starters being mostly lefty..
You do realize that although they are right handed judge and Sanchez are much worse against lefties?! Judge hit 230 against left handed pitching vs 298 against rhp. And Sanchez hit 260 versus 280 against rhp, with less power for them both.
I guess this was just too much to pass up on at least they will be over the lux tax again should hamper them with next years bumper crop. Stay the course DD don’t go out and pay JDM 200 million wait it out see where the market goes don’t overreact.
Are the prospects any good. Castro isn’t a surprise. With Torres coming up soon. Didi will move to 2nd and Torres will play SS. At least that’s the smart move.
Not surprised at all I said he would have opted out to go to the Jankees anyway. He’ll now opt out and go to L.A.
They’re not moving DIdi from SS. He’s been exceptional there. Torres will play either SS or 3B.
I meant Torres will play 2b or 3b,
He’s a decent SS but Torres is better. He’s a better overall player. Castro is past his prime. Shame the cubs didn’t get any one for Castro though. The Yankees traded Castro and unknown prospects and got Stanton.
They are not moving Didi off SS for Torres, he will likely play 2B.
Didi played gold glove caliber defense I have seen no where that Gleyber is a defensive short stop of that caliber that is why they were saying that he would be at third they never said he would displace didi.
…and the obligation to pay him $265 million if he doesn’t opt out. If he does opt out, they may not want him to leave.
Giancarlo is a smart man. Way to get what you wanted.
# KYLE downing
Judge and Sanchez are much worse against left handed pitching than right handed
And with that Guzman and Devers cement themselves as bar trivia answers for all of time. I have a soft spot for the trade fodder in these deals and follow their careers, as short as they may be.
Scott Boras doesn’t know whether to laugh or cry. On the one hand, Stanton finally being traded allows FO’s to start bidding on Boras clients. On the other, the Yankees have spent their budget for this year and next.
I don’t think the Yankees were going to be in on any major FA this year anyway.
This could all work out quite well for both Chicago teams.
It helps the Cubs with Giancarlo Stanton not being traded to a serious NL World Series competitor like the Dodgers and also pretty much eliminates the Yankees from the Bryce Harper FA sweepstakes next offseason.
For the White Sox, this move could help elevate Jose Abreu’s trade value, especially with the Red Sox now more desperate than ever to counteract the Yankees acquisition of Stanton.
However, I have an even more intriguing prediction in regard to the White Sox following the Stanton trade to the Marlins: The White Sox will now contact the Marlins and see if they would like to lose most of Starlin Castro’s salary just as they did with Stanton and Dee Gordon this week. The White Sox have plenty of short term salary space and could use a starting 3B who can actually hit better than Gordon Beckham, Conor Gillaspie and even Todd Frazier. As part of the salary dump, the White Sox wouldn’t want to part with any prominent prospects but could offer Miami cheaper alternatives to play 2B like Yolmer Sanchez or Tyler Saladino. Castro gets reunited with Rick Renteria who helped salvage his career as Cub manager in 2014 after Dale Sveum ruined it earlier and Joe Maddon did likewise later. The White Sox will also sign FA Hector Rondon to a short term deal with the promise he can win the closer role in 2018, something he excelled at with Renteria on the North Side in 2014. The White Sox have already signed former Cub Wellington Castillo who was also their primary catcher in 2014, a battery mate of Castillo and a teammate of Castro. This trio will be welcomed by White Sox fans in 2018 if for no other reason than the revenge Renteria, Castro, Castillo and Rondon would like to extract during the city interleague series. These moves would still be in line with the White Sox primary goal of preparing a perennial contender come 2019 or 2020. All 3 former Cubs would be instant upgrades in 2018 but also be on short term deals with a chance to be flipped this summer. With real MLB hitters manning 3B and C, along with a potential lights out closer at the back end of the bullpen the White Sox will be a far more interesting team in 2018 than anyone had a right to expect. With Abreu at 1B, Avisail Garcia in RF and young core pieces like Yoan Moncada and Tim Anderson manning 2B and SS, suddenly the White Sox lineup looks respectable. The wild card (perhaps a possibility now in 2018) would be how fast the young pitchers can develop. I remember in 1969 a very ordinary Met team caught and passed the favored Cubs on the way to a World Series title because their elite young arms progressed much sooner than expected. Who’s to say that former elite young pitching prospects like Carlos Rodon, Lucas Giolito, Reynaldo Lopez and Carson Fulmer can’t become Jerry Koosman, Tom Seaver, Gary Gentry and Jim McAndrew? Who’s to say that a mid-season promotion like flame-thrower Michael Kopech can’t become the next Nolan Ryan. Maybe Hector Rondon finds his 2014 and 2015 form as closer and becomes the White Sox version of Tug McGraw. Nobody expects the White Sox to be contending for a division title any time soon with the Indians in the AL Central but one of the wild card spots might be an outside possibility. If the club is a non-factor as the summer deadline nears than they will continue to field offers on the likes of Abreu and Garcia, along with newer chips like Rondon, Castillo and Castro. Sounds like a plan, no?
Run that by me one more time
Chapter 2 comes out when?
Start off by dealing Abreu (Red Sox/Cardinals) and Garcia (A’s/Giants). The Castro idea is interesting so I’ll buy in. Rondon seems like a quality buy low guy and maybe someone like Robbie Ross Jr. or similar.
Sign Logan Morrison to replace Abreu then sign Carlos Gonzalez to replace Garcia.
White Sox would get a decent return from moving Abreu and Avi then should have plenty of available trade bait for the deadline next July. Castillo, Morrison, Castro, Gonzalez, Shields, Jones, Rondon….don’t get sentimental now and hold onto aging players, keep building depth so we can compete with these “super payroll” teams!
I doubt the Yanks are done dealing yet. I think they’ll swing a deal for Cobb, and trade Ellsbury.
Sad thing…Jacoby is not worth more than a reserve 4th outfielder…6-7 Million per year? So the Yanks will eat 15 million to save 7 million vs the CAP…??
We could package Jacoby (plus 20 mil) and Betances to the Dodgers (who just lost Morris) for 2 mid level pitching prospects.
No one wants Ellsbury Yanks are stuck with him.
People are acting like Starlin Castro has just as much value as the low level prospects they got back. Damnit, Starling is an above average second basemen on a fairly cheap contract, I think. I believe this is a good deal for both teams.
An acquisition of Starlin only helps a win now team. Not a team thats trading away every piece it can.
Starlin will likely be traded again
Yes, more than likely
The Death Star is nearly complete.
My guess is Castro will go back to SS or get flipped..next yelich will be traded for prospects. After him their strip down is complete. Marlins will lose 111 games this year.
Where will Stanton even play? Yankees already have a right fielder. Some guy named Aaron Judge.
DH
Smart move by the Marlins. They get rid of Stanton’s contract, and they add Castro, who is owed, what?… $37 mil over the next 3 yrs? Only Castro, and his entire contract, can be traded. So at the most they,re out $30 mil. Plus, Castro trade will ad another good prospect. They shed (almost) all of Stantons contract, any prospect the receive is a bonus. I hate Jeter, but he did well.
Great deal yanks
My question is: why didn’t they just only negotiate with the Yankees, Cubs, Dodgers and Astros in the first place if they knew he wasn’t going to approve a trade anywhere else? Feels like a waste of time to do what they did.
Stanton, Jeter and Cashman had this worked out long ago…they had to make it look at least reasonable…so they made St Louis and San Fran go thru the motions…Jeter will always be a Yankee…:)
That would have just been stupid.
Stay tuned for the new X-Files conspiracy !
I can’t agree with you more. The whole process was a travesty of misinformation. Everyone was saying the Yankees didn’t wanted to take on salary for luxury tax reasons. That was a load of crap too.
The Yankees will still be under the $197 this year. They had roughly $32mil to work with. They added $29.5 and subtracted roughly $12. Leaving them with roughly $14 mil still to spend.
It’s possible they were just trying to up the price by pretending to have more competition then they actually had. I find the comments on this board to be somewhat bizarre. When Stanton was on the market, few fans wanted their teams to trade for him. Now he’s on the Yankees, and some are demanding an investigation for collusion. This is an OK trade for both sides. Yankees didn’t get a steal, and Miami just traded their best player for what amount to salary relief, a decent ML 2B, and pair of lottery tickets. I hope it works out for both sides
GM of the year goes to the Yankees ninja GM, Derek Jeter lol
I am so dissapointed in the dodgers for not
getting stanton they are so worried about luxury tax.why is beyond me.yankees are not worried about luxury tax.dodgers have more money then anybody in baseball and they are worrief about luxury tax are you kidding me.every dodgers fan out there should be pissed off i am. we do thus every year we are in on every body and get nobody every team out there getting better but the dodgers i hope we stink next year
Probably because with the new CBA if you are above the luxury tax line for too long your draft position gets lowered 10 spots.
Way to go Mike Stanton. Way to totally F-ck over the fans that paid for your ridiculous payday by declining any deal that gave them something to build on for the future. Now there’s nobody worth going to see in that circus freak stadium that the taxpayers got saddled with based on the bright future of the team being built around you. Enjoy playing second fiddle to Judge in NYC.
But wch1974, you are not bitter.
Stanton handled his business like a total tool. I’m neither a Marlin fan or Yankee hater, so the whole thing is pretty irrelevant to me other than that. If that makes me bitter, then so be it. I doubt I’m alone in hoping this whole thing totally bombs simply on the premise that it was a ridiculous circus.
Zero of this is on Stanton. The team could have kept him for now, and improved their leverage by waiting until the middle of the year or next off-season, and cutting payroll and improving the farm system by keeping Stanton, Yelich, and Realmuto, and getting rid of everyone else. This was an old school Marlins move
I think the Marlins came out on top with this. If I were the Yankees, I would have balked at Castro, but it looks like a trade with the Rangers or Cubs may be in the Yankees near future.
Wow, The AL East is now out of reach for Tampa, the O’s and my Jays. Wait-a-minute, the Jays already traded for Diaz! Yeeesh. The Jays season is over before it starts.
Don’t listen to any Shaprio/Atkins Kool-Ad about the Jays being competative, it is not going to happen. Why don’t they just blow up the Jays and totally rebuild? It is not like they are going to be in the playoffs in 2018. Watching the Jays team this year without a hope of playing meanful games in September is awful.
Perhaps it is time to switch to plan B, yup, The Yankees. Always did like those pinstripes…..
The Jays and the O’s need to rebuild but dont be surprised if the Red Sox collapse next year. A team that looks like a long shot could very well be in the mix.
But Jeter wanted to unload the payroll and Stanton specifically limited the teams he would waive his no trade clause to NYY, LAD, HOU and CHC.
So why doesn’t Jeter get GM of the year?
1. Something “fishy” with Jeter, Stanton, Marlins and Yankees. Marlins look like NYY’s farm team.
2. KInsler to the Yankees?
3. DD will respond with a mega-deal to JD Martinez, who he picked up in Detroit?
Oh here we go with the BS “respond to” trade crap.
The Bosox may very well sign JD Martinez but it will not be in response to any other teams moves.
I guess you think the Bosox had no interest in JD? But now they must respond?
Definition of salary dump: No Eloy Jimenez, no Gleyber Torres.
Jeter has helped the Yankees once again.
Thought Dodgers could offer Scott Kazmir (to lessen dollar impact), Yasiel Puig and prospect Yadier Alvarez. Stanton was cheaper than what Harper will go for..
Well it would of been very tough for the Yankees to trade Eloy Jimenez since Eloy is in the White Sox organization.
Trades like this alienate the few casual fans who remain.
It took this astute forum 476 comments to say “blah blah blah blah blah rich team takes MVP from poor team.”
Dodgers needed to make this trade. Congrats to the Yankees for getting a great player.
No the Dodgers did not
Puig won’t play in Miami as long as Mattingly is the manager. He hates Puig.
The Yankees will dominate average pitching, but will have a losing record against teams with good pitching.
Yanks need pitching. Severino is amazing, but after that…it is not reliable. This looks like it is shaping up to be the old Blue Jays.
I agree that the starting rotation for the Yankees is more hype than quality. Severino is the real deal. Gray is very good but his longterm health is not great. I’d be surpirsed if he makes it to the AllStar break in good health. I see Tanaka as a good pitcher but the innings are starting to add up, so injury this year in highly likely,. Montgomery is a 5th starter and Cessa who knows. The Yankees need a solid #3 and a #4 before I can say they are championship ready.
What hype? Hype insinuates they haven’t done it yet. Every team must account for injuries and regression of young players but facts are facts dude. Yanks starters ranked 7th overall and the bullpen was #1. Right now, CC is the only pitcher from last year not under contract. They won 91games too. Severing, Tanaka, Gray and Montgomery. All going into the year healthy. Worry about your own team. Yanks have much more flexibility to improve the rotation than most other AL East teams.
Dumb
Seattle is burned the worse by Ohtani. How does DiPito keep his job
He’s made several potentially good moves his offseason actually
Just heard the Braves want Clint Frazier bad what you think pulls him ????
Lol these yankee fans are too much. They think their sh** don’t stink. Just watch Giancarlo get injured and then they’re gonna start revolting about how stanton is the worst trade and cashman screwed them over lol.
Why are you such a hater? Why can’t we simply be happy for the acquisition? You’re actually going to wish for an injury? What kind of miserable life are you living dude?
Quit whining. You should never wish for someone to get injured. Karma is always there.
How exactly is that $30m paid out? Is it a lump sum paid immediately after he decides not to opt out, at the end of the contract or somewhere in between? Or are the Marlins paying the Yankees something like $3m a year for the post-opt-out years plus his $10m buyout or something like that?
Not positive, but I think the Yankees only get that $ if Stanton does not opt out in 3 years.
Ok tell me this. In this Albatross of an Arod like contract…. even though this guy is great… who’s gonna play 2nd? Is Gleyber ready? Solak? Didi gonna move ? Idk. This a a great power bat add but defensively there’s a huge logjam and no one wants Ellsbury not to mention Hicks and Clint Frazier….
Hicks is a highly regarded fielder, will start in center. Frazier in left OR the more likely move of Stanton or Judge both gold glove candidates with Frazier as one of the DHs
Torres should win the job at 2B out of ST, if not Torreyes or Wade will start the year with Gleyber needing a little more time in AAA. Either way the Yankees have MLB ready player to fill in to accommodate one of the best bats in baseball
Frazier will probably be traded for a SP
And Ellsbury rides the pine for millions a year? Don’t see that happening. Even so who’s playing 2nd?
Yankees gave the starting CF job to Hicks last year because he earned with his glove and justified the move by having a career year with the bat. If they were willing to go with the best player last year then why wouldn’t they do so this year? My guess is, they will find away to move his contract f.or a bad for bad swap or eat enough of his contract that he becomes affordable. Clearly he’s not worth the $21 per x 3 that he is due, however, if your honest and study the numbers, he wasn’t nearly as useless as some make him out to be,
He had a solid .264/.348/.403 line with a .750 OPS. His OBP among CF w/ 250 AB he ranked 16th. His 22 SB ranked him 20th among all mlb players and his SB rate is still elite at 88% success rate, His glove is weak in CF but still passable.
Ellsbury for a low level prospect with the Yanks paying $42 mil of his remaining 3/$68 mil.
As for 2B the Yanks have prospects Torres (2B/3B), Thairo Estrada (2b, 3B) and Miguel Andujar (3B) who will probably compete for a position with Headley acting as a 1B/3B/DH back up.
Ah, so refreshing to hear this. Had ellsbury been worth his contract? Absolutely not. But he’s been far from completely unusable, such as a Pablo Sandoval. Ellsbury has posted decent numbers across the board each season, but just doesn’t come close to justifying his massive contract. Lumping him in with other absolute busts seems simply wrong, however. He’s still a capable center fielder, average hitter, above baserunner. Would’ve been a fairly useful fourth outfielder before Stanton came into the fold. But again, no fourth outfielder is worth that much.
And are you trading Gardner in this scenario or did you forget about him?
As a Red Sox fan I couldn’t be happier than to see yet another over-priced guy be paid for by the Steinbrenner war chest. Lots of homers, lots of Ks and lots of missed games. Works for me. Value per dollar spent, he’s not even close to JD Martinez.
The more injury prone over-priced guys they get the better. Look how well Ellsbury turned out. Also, the fewer ‘clutch’ hitters the better. Giving up Castro was another bad move. When Didi gets replaced by Gleyber then the only clutch hitter left is Sanchez unless someone steps up unexpectedly like Didi and Castro did.
I think the Yankees are now the highest paid injury prone team in the history of baseball. Congrats? Oh yeah, and next year there is no magical manager to wave his wand and cover up all the injuries. Good luck with that!!
lol, bitter red sox fan with threir bad lineup.
Moronic jealousy
Jd martinez gets just as injuries as Stanton.
Lol… Such a bad, jealousy laced argument…
1. Overpriced? I don’t think so. When you subtract the money traded for Castro, Stanton becomes a bargain. Remember, this is the reigning NL MVP. Don’t forget, he’s got an opt out in three years too.
2. Injury prone, yes, maybe BUT… Stanton averages more games played a season than Martinez. If you want to talk about injury plagued teams and bad contracts, check out your own ballpark. Price, Sandoval, pedroia, hanley etc.
3. I agree. I didnt like letting Castro go. But come on, Castro for Stanton… No brainier.
4. You don’t like Aaron Boone? Hahaha. I won’t even go there.
5. Didi isn’t going anywhere. Torres will play 2/3b
You do realize that Boston will pay more for Sandoval and Castillo than the Yankees will pay Stanton? Also, the luxury tax hit is only 13.4after taking Castro out.
Sox fans like to ignore Sandoval or Carl Crawford disasters.
it is funny the derek jeter is making a trade with his old team the yankees watch out next year with stanton and judge
Theres only one thing that could wreck the Yankees from being the best team in the AL and that would be if they had a rookie incompetent coach and not a veteran with 2 World Series rings…….. oh wait
All you haters just come here to comment on your wishes, not facts. Get over it
Stanton said no to my Cards. Wow
I have a strange feeling the trade is gonna get nixed at some point within the next 12 hours
Bwahahaha
I had a similar feeling in my gut until Heyman tweeted about the press conference scheduled tomorrow
“…I have a strange feeling the trade is gonna get nixed at some point within the next 12 hours…”
How’d that feeling work out ?
What a pile of garbage the Marlins got! Hahahahaha
Collusion plain and simple. Cut and dry
This was Miami’s 3rd option …. can’t be collusion.
Seriously guy – What did your team offer up to Miami ???
CONFLICT OF INTEREST
Bitter Yankee haters. No Doubt
ok ok Stanton went to the Yankees. Is it necessary that MLB keep posting the same headline 3 days straight 2 times a day. We get it ALREADY!!
its an update of the same article
What Are Some Ways That The Steinbrenner Family & Brian Cashman Can Fill The Void At Second Base If Starlin Castro Actually Becomes Part Of The Package For Giancarlo Stanton?
Gleyber Torres with a side of Ronald Torreyes and Tyler Wade
What Are Some Other Ways That The Steinbrenner Family & Brian Cashman Can Fill The Void At Second Base,Like Who Are Some Players That They Can Either Sign Or Make A Trade For?
Still can’t believe this happened
What Do You Not Like About The Potential Trade?
Just like the president the Yankees know how to do good business
Trump is not a good business man. 40% fail rate in his businesses, multiple bankruptcies, and can’t even get a loan in the US.
Peter Chiarelli ……Edmonton Oilers……..
manfred should look into this. lopsided from all angles.
Yes Absorbing $295M in future salary commitments they should be penalized, investigated. (Yankees take risk too!)
I think MLB would be better served looking into why
Wilpons spend money like the Tampa Bay Rays, despite owning 65% of SNY, and home to nation’s largest market (NY) Oh There’s also $400M paid over 20 years for Citi Field’s naming rights.
Manfred should look into this. This is loopsided from all angles.
Could not agree more I’m a Mets fan and I sick of having to deal with the Wilpons. They have money to spend they need to improve they play in New York and need to have some kind of competitive team with the Yankees around us
David Price’s projected era just went up one run
Anyone here because of Stanton’s great postseason