Tomorrow is the two-year anniversary of the trade that sent Aroldis Chapman from the Reds to the Yankees. While Chapman is currently ensconced as New York’s closer, just as he was in the wake of the swap, the intervening period has seen quite a few twists and turns.
Six years before the trade, the Reds had landed Chapman as a free agent, staking a hefty $30.25MM bet on the power pitcher from Cuba. He proved the team wise, providing 319 innings of 2.17 ERA pitching and racking up 146 saves.
Entering the 2015-16 offseason, though, it seemed clear that it was time for both sides to move on. Chapman had just one year of control remaining, after all, and the Reds were coming off of a 64-win season. While the team struggled, Chapman was his typically dominant self, and seemed positioned to draw a big return.
In early December, it seemed Chapman was destined to join Kenley Jansen to form a terrifying one-two punch in Los Angeles. Precise details of the proposed Dodgers swap were never clear, though reportedly the Reds would not have added then-top L.A. prospects Julio Urias, Corey Seager, or Jose De Leon.
Just when it seemed a deal was imminent, though, a stunning off-field development intervened, as reports emerged that Chapman had been arrested earlier in the offseason for a troubling domestic incident. With Chapman’s reputation tarnished and a possible suspension looming, the Dodgers backed away and the market dried up.
Thus it was that the Yankees stepped into the void and placed a somewhat controversial bet on the game’s most intimidating reliever. Despite already carrying a fantastic late-inning duo of Andrew Miller and Dellin Betances, the Yanks saw an opportunity to create a three-headed bullpen monster. They shipped four prospects — third baseman Eric Jagielo, second baseman Tony Renda, and right-handers Rookie Davis and Caleb Cotham — to Cincinnati to acquire Chapman.
The risk, really, was never on the field or even in the course of the investigation: Chapman was one of the surest relievers in baseball and had he received a sufficiently lengthy suspension, he’d have been eligible for another season of arbitration. Rather, the Yanks were gambling that Chapman would be valuable enough to warrant absorbing a significant public relations hit.
While he was never arrested or charged with a crime, Chapman was rightly criticized and ultimately suspended for what commissioner Rob Manfred determined to be violent actions directed toward his girlfriend. He eventually acknowledged he “should have exercised better judgment” but insisted he “did not in any way harm [his] girlfriend that evening.”
At the same time, it is hard to escape the conclusion that the Yankees benefited greatly from taking him on. After returning from a thirty-game ban, Chapman picked up right where he left off, throwing 31 1/3 innings of 2.01 ERA pitching leading into the trade deadline. With the Yanks in a less-than-promising postseason position, the organization decided to market Chapman in the summer trade market, finding interest far more robust than had existed just months earlier.
Thus it was that the Yankees ended up with a foursome of players immensely more valuable than that which it had shipped to Cincinnati. New York sold the rights to rent Chapman for the remainder of 2016 to the Cubs, who obviously saw him as the final piece needed on a World Series-caliber roster.
Infielder Gleyber Torres was the undeniable headliner; he’s now seen as one of the game’s very best prospects. Though Rashad Crawford has yet to show much since coming to New York, outfielder Billy McKinney is now fresh off of a promising season in which he restored some of his former prospect luster. And the Yanks even came away with right-hander Adam Warren, who has provided 87 2/3 productive relief innings since the swap and is still under team control via arbitration for one more season.
Then, of course, there’s the fact that Chapman ended up returning to the Bronx after his brief stint with the Cubs. In the first year of his record-setting $86MM contract, the now-29-year-old Chapman wasn’t quite as devastating as usual — his 3.22 ERA was the second-highest mark of his career, and he has never before ended a season with a lower strikeout rate than his 12.3 K/9 — but he still averaged a triple-digit heater. While there are some signs of concern, including a plummeting swinging-strike rate, Chapman generally figures to remain one of baseball’s better closers for some time.
As for the Reds? Only Davis and Jagielo remain in the organization. As for the former, there’s certainly hope he’ll be a MLB contributor. Davis did make it up to the majors in 2017, though he struggled quite a bit and was less than dominant at the highest level of the minors. Jagielo, 25, struggled in his first attempt at Triple-A in 2017 and does not rate among the organization’s top thirty prospects, per MLB.com.
It remains a major disappointment for the Reds that they were unable to fully capitalize on Chapman. While some argued that the organization was foolish not to have carried him into the 2016 season rather than accepting a discounted return, that action would have come with its own significant risks. If there’s a silver lining, perhaps it’s that the Reds have since come to realize another successful investment in a high-powered Cuban reliever. Raisel Iglesias has now established himself as one of the game’s best young closers. For the time being, at least, it seems he’s staying put as the anchor of the Cincinnati bullpen.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
Phillies2017
Have not been a fan of any of the Reds rebuild except getting Duvall for Leake. They have done a rather awful job.
AidanVega123
What about them getting Castillo for Straily?
Phillies2017
^^That’s fair. I didn’t think of that one. Good call.
HayesWilson33
Thank you sir for being the one person on this website to be corrected and not be angry at the person who corrected them
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
they came out good but the Marlins did will too straily is good. the credit really goes to them for picking up him off waivers
hiflew
They have gotten a few other good pieces as well. Schebler was in the much-maligned Todd Frazier deal. Finnegan has looked good when he hasn’t been hurt. Getting Eugenio Suarez for Alfredo Simon was a fantastic deal as well. The Reds have not exactly knocked their rebuild out of the park, but they are not deserving of the flak they have received either.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
They have completely biffed it in their rebuild. I honestly don’t know how Williams hasn’t been fired yet. Only good moves were the traded of Latos, Simon and Straily.
ksoze
Williams first move as GM was the Strailey trade, the rest belonged to Walt Jockerty.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Oops. My bad lol. The Straily trade was very astute. Not a smart move by my Padres letting him go.
dwhitt3
“Your” Padres didn’t have a choice. He went back to the Marlins in the Colin Rea fiasco
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Straily wasn’t included in the Colin Rea trade genius.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Even Leake was handled horribly by the FO. They could have gotten Duvall with a better secondary piece if they had traded him during the 14-15 offseason cuz the Giants would have gotten a full season of Leake rather than just 2 months and would have been able to QO him.
hiflew
Duvall WAS the secondary piece. Keury Mella was the Giants #1 prospect at the time of the deal.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Then they probably could have gotten a third piece out of the Giants had they traded him the prior offseason.
WalkersDayOff
They got someone who has hit 30 HRs the past 2 years for them. They did fine
ksoze
Duvall also led the mlb in 2017 for outfield assists, and a finalist for the gold glove
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Giants still would have made that trade if Leake had been made available during the 14-15 offseason and likely would have given up even more than they ended up giving up. Leake’s trade value did not increase over the course of the 2015 season.l and was never going to.
VonHayes4Life
Suarez? Castillo? Schebler?
KJA8
Exactly, they have done just fine. They didn’t get anything for Phillips because nobody wanted his contract plus he had no-trade rights. The return for Jay Bruce trade so far hasn’t been great, but Herrera was hurt so that could still turn out fine. Getting Duvall, Castillo, and Schebler has been great so far and getting Suarez for Simon is the best deal I can remember for the Reds based on who they gave up to get Suarez.
hbolton21
Uh how about Suarez for one year of Alfredo Simon? Or Desclafani for one year of May Latos? Schebler as a throw in in the Frazier deal? And they have accumulated a ton of high ceiling prospects in the draft. Not to mention making great waiver wire pickups in Straily and Gennet. They are doing a fine job of rebuilding. When the pitching clicks, the rebuild will be over. And I could see that happenin as quickly as this year.
WalkersDayOff
As a Dodger fan this one really hurt. Chapman was traded for nothing. It was frustrating watching LA pass on him at that price. I understand it violated some moral values, but winning the world series should have been meant more than that. Had Chapman been on the Dodgers the NLCS probably sees a different result. It was a kick in the gut to have Chapman come in and stop the Dodgers from stealing game 1.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
It was the right decision at the time regardless of the outcome. Also remember there was some major tension there between Jansen and the Dodgers. They both were on the verge of huge paydays. I’m not sure that would have been the correct move looking back at it. Not only that the Dodgers rotation was held together by a string. They just didn’t have enough to consider them a serious contender in 16. There were so many deficiencies in that team there’s no way a botched Chapman trade should be frustrating at this point. To try and play hindsight 20/20 and predictive what if’s is a fools errand. Blanton essentially wore the iron badge for the pen and I’m not sure the Dodgers even make the playoffs without him. The series came down to Blanton being gassed, the Dodgers not having enough starters, being utterly terrible v lhp, and crucial errors.
WalkersDayOff
I wouldn’t call the tensions between Jansen and the dodgers major. Jansen was disappointed at the idea of not being the closer, however it came out that chapman would have been the setup man while kenley closes. Those tensions would have worked itself out. Besides chapman was suspended which really would have locked up the closers job for kenley. I would agree the team was terrible vs LHP, but they were absolutely contenders. The Nationals had 3 lefties in their pen and still could not expose the issue enough to win that series. Its not as much about Chapman being a Dodgers as it was taking him away from the Cubs. Could the cubs have gone on to get andrew miller instead. Maybe. Usually it is easy to say in hindsight. But we all know the package traded for chapman was nothing and it is head scratching they didnt want to do it.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
At the end of the day, what I was saying was the Dodgers had Kersh, Hill, and Jansen. Maeda was gassed, Urias was gassed, and Blanton was gassed so that was my whole point. I also find it interesting that we just assume that the pen intricacies would have just worked themselves out especially with potential big pay days were around the corner. That said I think I’ve gotten a bit of topic to the original point.
It really wasn’t head scratching to see them not get back into the hunt even after the price lowered. When it comes to acquisitions the FO has also held the “right fit” in the clubhouse over anything. Examining even the most recent of acquisitions it continues to shed light. Once the accusations came out it was clear the Dodgers management had no put a no go on it. So acquisition cost, low or not, he wasn’t really the “right fit.” I get why some fans might question the Dodgers not attempting to re-acquire, but if you look at the whole body of work it makes complete sense.
tdaly
The Stanton deal was a win. However, I would not call our number 7 prospect low level. Also devers looks pretty good.
Kayrall
Of the hundreds of games I’ve been to at Wrigley Field in my lifetime, I’ve never heard it louder than when after Montero hit that grand slam. Still gives me goosebumps.
justinept
No doubt in my mind the nlcs would’ve been different in 2016 had the dodgers had Chapman instead of the Cubs – and I’m a Cubs fan. Chapman gets a ton of flak for his 2016 postseason, but he overused and misused through that run.
What I’ll remember about Chapman in 2016 is him getting out of the 8th inning in G1 of the NLCS. His balls out performance in G6 of the WS and him getting out of the 9th inning of G7 of the WS unscathed.
In terms of the NlCS, G1 stands out big time. He gave up a big hit in the 8th but then left the go-ahead run in scoring position to give the Cubs a chance. The bottom half of the inning, though, is where things likely would’ve been different had Chapman been wearing the other jersey. Not liking the Blanton/Heyward matchup, and not wanting to go to Jensen in the 8th, Roberts called for an intentional walk to load the bases. How about that? He walked a .210 hitter to load the bases with a pitcher who needs to bury his slider to be effective. Fearing a wild pitch, Blanton hung one. And the rest is history. I don’t see those events lining up if Chapman was throwing for the Dodgers that night.
WalkersDayOff
Exactly. Dodgers had bases loaded no outs and Seager coming up. They were going to take the lead if it was not for having Chapman. Having Chapman would have also reduced blantons heavy workload.
Yankeepatriot
So in short when you connect the dots from the cubs trades and the one with Florida the Yankees turned Eric Jagielo, Tony Renda, Rookie Davis, Caleb Cotham, brendon Ryan, Starlin Castro and the two low level prospects sent to Florida for Stanton, Chapman, warren (a throw in, thanks cubs for giving him back !!!) mckenny And torres
Cashman =goat
WalkersDayOff
Cashman finnesed everyone with the players in the 2015 Chapman and Castro trades.
Yankeepatriot
He legit turned brendon Ryan into Stanton. What kind of voodoo magic does that ??????? Lmaoo
hiflew
It’s called “green magic” combined with complete mismanagement by the Marlins.
Yankeepatriot
That no trade clause and their almost half a billion dollar debt had them trapped. You can thank Loria for that. He gave Stanton that contract specifically to make the marlins more attractive in a sale and he cashed in
xabial
“green magic”?
Marijuana’s not legal in NY.
I’m just kidding 😉
BoldyMinnesota
To be fair, fleecing the Marlins isn’t that hard
aff10
Cashman’s been great, so this isn’t meant as any sort of knock on him, because he’s been one hell of an opportunist in all three of those major trades, but it’s kinda disingenuous to not at least mention the money aspect.
They were able to take on $235M of that Stanton contract and outbid the field to re-sign Chapman (you’re not mentioning him if they don’t drop $86M last off-season), so while he unequivocally won all three of those deals from a talent perspective, he’s also layingfrom a stronger hand than Williams or Jeter, at least, were holding (not sure how he convinced Epstein to make that massive overpay, though).
KnicksCavsFan
the marvelment comes from what it took to acquire him via trade. his salary WASN’T prohibitive where many more teams couldn’t afford to take him on. it was more about dealing with the public outcry about his domestic violence issues.
Yankeepatriot
Exactly my point
aff10
I know that, but Patriot’s doubling up by counting Chapman and Torres/McKinney. The second Chapman acquisition was a FA signing. That’s all that I’m really pointing out here
xabial
“not sure how he convinced Epstein to make that massive overpay, though”
I’ll give you a 3 word hint: “”108 “year” “drought”
Don’t blame Cashman. Don’t blame Epstein.
Just be thankful it worked out for the best.
I give credit to Epstein for waiting on Chapman’s off the field issues to die out first. Yankees took the heat for trading for him, and the risk paid off. So much so, they re-signed him.
aff10
Yeah, I get it, but drought or not, Torres for half year of a reliever looked like an overpay at the time and looks even worse now. They won the World Series, which gets them off the hook for that in the eyes of most fans (understandably so), but the postseason can get volatile, so parting with your top prospect to fortify your postseason bullpen once isn’t a move I would ever support making personally. Props to Cashman for taking advantage, though
xabial
Dude, one of those “two low level prospects” sent to Florida.
From one Yankee fan to another, Stop bragging… You (“We” NYY fanbase) deserve Guzman to come out as good, if not better than Chapman, from how much you’re bragging in this thread. Cashman is good… Maybe Cash best at trades. But don’t brush Guzman off as just another “low level” prospect. Cmon man…
Here’s what MLB.com said about Jorge Guzman:
“With an extremely fast arm and without an excessive amount of effort in his delivery, Guzman can work with a 97-103 mph fastball as a starter. The downside is that he sometimes doesn’t know where his heater is going, especially when he crosses into triple digits. He also throws a power slider that lacks consistency and a Changeup in its nascent stages.”
Baseball America:
“In 2017, he averaged 99 mph with his four-seamer and just a tick less with his two-seamer. routinely hit triple-digits into starts.” prompting JJ Cooper (executive editor for baseball America) to say: “He has a strong argument that he’s the hardest throwing starting pitcher in baseball, sits at 98-99.” (Dec 4, 2017) twitter.com/jjcoop36/status/937729775866695681
(true 80 Grade fastball on the 20-80 scouting scale (Slider 55 Changeup 45 control 45, MLB.com)
In 2017, Guzman led the New York-Penn League in strikeouts (88) cut his walk rate from 4.4 per nine innings in two years in the Astros system, to 2.4 in his lone season with the Yankees. This is an exciting prospect to be excited about, and could turn just as good, if not better than Chapman.
Only reason he’s not getting any love is because Yankees have one of best farm systems in all of baseball. And hating on Jeter is “cool thing” to do right now. Jeter is baseball’s version of Trump.
There’s a light at the end of every tunnel. Be patient, Florida fans. It’ll take time.
Guzman is “low level minor prospect” because he plays in “low levels” of minors. But doesn’t mean he isnt talented.. For having another team absorb $235M…and ZERO leverage, Guzman wasn’t garbage….. The people who keep saying that, are repeating messages from “fans outcry” Don’t be sheep. Do your own research.
I think history look on this trade kinder than most want u to believe
xabial
edit: Yankees absorbed $265M* on Stanton’s contract, Not $235M.
Yankeepatriot
I know who Guzman is and I never said he wasn’t really talented but he is in the low levels right now (single A I think). He has had big command issues and was obviously expendable. Not to mention you have to give up someone for a guy of Stanton’s caliber
He’s years away though and prospects are a roll of the dice as we know. He might end up being a reliever. I never said he was garbage but he also hasn’t done a thing yet and hasn’t proven anything either. If you can trade him for an mvp while you can take his salary how can you say no to that ? Lol
Kayrall
The Marlins traded Luis Castillo for Dan Straily…
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
and that was a good deal for that dan straily Is good and they could probably get more for him right now then they paid
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
That was a massive overpay. Dan Strailey types do not command TOR potential ML ready pitching prospects.
bigjonliljon
Your welcome. At the end of the day… losing Torres to Yankees hurt but flags fly forever!! We got a ring so it was worth it.
redsoxu571
The Dallas Cowboys (fairly) got raked over the coals for signing Greg Hardy, a similar move to NY trading for Chapman. It’s something of a “sell your soul” move, and so should not be praised. Stanton. meanwhile, was brought aboard “cheaply” purely because of his contract, meaning Cashman got him because the Yankees can afford to take on the salary and not worry about it going wrong.
He’s allowed to do both, and that’s just fine, but these aren’t “genius” moves or anything.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Easily the biggest instance of the Reds botching their rebuild. Holding onto Cueto and Leake for too long and getting nothing for Zack Cozart aren’t too far behind. Honestly, they should have had a 1998 Marlins-esque fire sale after the 2014 season.
BoldyMinnesota
What should they have done though? If they hold onto him and he gets suspended for a year, then you don’t even get a guy like Rookie Davis. They played it safe and obviously it backfired
WalkersDayOff
Qualified offer comp pick would have been better than anything they got for him
hiflew
If he got suspended for a year, it wouldn’t have hurt the Reds, only Chapman. He would not have gotten credit for service time and his free agency would have been put off an additional year. They played it safe and it didn’t just backfire, it blew up in their face. They should have kept him for the trade deadline. Generally, you get better deals for pitchers at the trade deadline and better deals for hitters in the offseason.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Honestly what should have happened is the Cubs should have outbid the Yankees in trading for him two years ago. I’m not sure how the Reds feel about intra-division trades but they only would have had to watch Chapman pitch for a division rival for one year in which they weren’t going to contend anyway. But this way, the Cubs probably could have gotten him without giving up Torres and would have been able to get a draft pick out of him when he signed elsewhere. Ian Happ for Chapman straight up would have worked out well for both teams.
bigjonliljon
Cubs had no intention in trying to resign him. They threw his arm off in our WS run. I think that had something to do with his poor season last year. Flags fly forever!!
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Meant they should have traded for him two years ago. All they would have had to do was beat the Yankees’ offer of Rookie Davis, Eric Jagielo, Caleb Cotham and Tony Renda, which would not have been hard.
ctguy
The Cubs could have used him this last season
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
If they hold onto him and he gets suspended for a year, his free agency gets pushed back a year. They hold onto him, let him rebuild his trade value when he does come back and then flip him at the deadline.
redsfan48
I’m not sure they could’ve gotten a better return for Leake regardless when he was traded.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Sure they could have. What would you give up more for: a full season of Mike Leake plus the right to QO him or two months of Mike Leake and no QO?
redsfan48
Hypothetically you’re correct. But if you gave the Reds the chance to redo the Leake trade, they probably wouldn’t. Duvall+Mella was a great return for Leae
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
I realize that the trade has worked out alright for the Reds but it could have worked out even better. Leake’s trade value went down over the course of the 2015 season and was always going to.
ksoze
They should have had a fire sale in 14. They were in denial of their position. That to me is worse than the bad deal on Chapman.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Yes, they should have. They had half of one trading Latos and Simon (great trades btw) but for some reason decided it was a good idea to hold onto their other declining assets.
Phillies2017
The thing that will save the Reds is their amateur pick-ups. Senzel, Shed, Santillian and Siri all look special. While they may not be able to top the Brewers and Cubs, there’s some hope there.
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
true but when there’s all these rebuilds going on in the NL one of them has to be a bust and between the Brewers, reds Padres Phillies and Braves I think the Reds will be the bust
bravesfan88
Yeah, out of all of this Cashman definitely played his cards almost perfectly!!
He ends up giving up some marginal talent basically a couple AAAA guys for Chapman, turns him into Castro, Warren, and #1 prospect in baseball, and then re-signs Chapman!! lol
Then, since they have the financial backing, Cashman then trades Starlin Castro for Stanton..So, now he has Stanton, Warren, Torres, and Chapman…lol Just absurd!!
It couldn’t have worked out more perfectly for the Yankees…For that matter, couldn’t have worked any worse for the Reds…lol
CompanyAssassin
You do have to remember a factor that Cashman largely doesn’t play a role in, the want to be a Yankee. Without Stanton’s desire to be a Yankee, there’s no leverage, and quite possibly no deal. Chapman wanted to sign with the Yankees, and still wasn’t shorted a sizable payday. The Cubs being desperate added a significant amount of leverage to the Yanks in the Chapman trade.
I’m not saying Cashman hasn’t done good things or anything, but I do think he’s had a fair amount of things go his way, thanks to a bit of luck and being one of the biggest markets in baseball. So I do think he’s a bit on the overrated side.
thetruth 2
Great article. Only issue I found is it says that this happened in the 2016-2017 offseason, but it actually happened in the 2015-2016 offseason.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
It’s amazing the Yankees didn’t give up a single top prospect the cubs gave them 2 top 10. And 2 throw ins.
redsoxu571
It isn’t “amazing” at all; it was a grimy move for Cashman to be willing to take on a persona non grata (at the time) player, and it was obvious that from a baseball perspective that the move was a great value. But the Yankees sold off something else in the process to get him, and that much is the opposite of amazing.
They absolutely don’t need to apologize for it, but it doesn’t merit an wisp of positive commentary either. It is what it is, nothing less, and certainly nothing more.
Harry h
Cashman is the king wheeler dealer.Eppler was his assistant and now the angels have him.And I see how how Eppler is getting better with each deal.Good time to a Angels fan .
SlPkNtJP
This is how bad this offseason has been. Let’s rekindle the flames of two year old deals….
EasternLeagueVeteran
Agreed ! Off-season has been a snoozer unless you are the Yankees or Angels on the upside, Marlins on the downside. And I am wondering if the Indians fans are getting a bit nervous losing some important pieces from this past year’s team.
Yankeepatriot
Allen and Miller are free agents after 2018 too so their bullpen will suffer huge losses. Shaw was an underrated bridge in their pen and he already walked. That’s a lot of firepower to lose
xabial
Hahaha the original “Yankees Acquire Aroldis Chapman” mlbtr thread was bumbed up a year. Somebody already posted in the thread 12 months ago, so it’s a 1 year bump, not 2. Join the party guys!! 😉
Thought I’d let everyone know because I rarely see articles getting bumped up. That Chapman article was written by Steve Dec 28, 2015, and last post was yesterday lol
Just don’t forget you have the power of 2 years hindsight.
mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/yankees-aroldis-chapman…