The latest on game-changing Japanese ace/slugger Shohei Ohtani, whom the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters posted on Friday and who’s at the beginning of a three-week window to work out an agreement with a major league team:
- The Ohtani sweepstakes is seemingly on the verge of picking up in earnest, as Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports reports that the 23-year-old CAA Sports client will meet with various teams in Los Angeles next week (Twitter link). The Mariners are among those clubs, suggests Passan, who relays that team brass has asked multiple members of its roster to clear their schedules for a potential meeting with Ohtani. That comes on the heels of general manager Jerry Dipoto’s revelation last week that the Mariners are preparing an aggressive push press for Ohtani. “We’re not joking around. We’re bringing the big guns,” declared Dipoto (Twitter link via Greg Johns of MLB.com).
- Ohtani’s camp will notify certain teams this weekend if they’ll remain in the mix to sign him, according to Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union-Tribune. The Padres are hopeful they’ll advance to the next round. “As a group, we’re prepared, and I think he’s a player that obviously we’ve scouted and have history with,” GM A.J. Preller told Lin. “You try to see what the fits are and why he’s a good fit for us and why we’re a good fit for him. We’re kind of down the path of doing that work.”
- The Red Sox will also chase Ohtani, per president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski, who told Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald via text: “Would acknowledge our interest. Beyond that, all would be confidential.” Ohtani joining Chris Sale and David Price would make for a rather enticing top of the rotation, needless to say, and he could also factor in as a designated hitter for a Boston club that received uninspiring production there last season in the first year of the post-David Ortiz era.
- Count the World Series-winning Astros as yet another team that will court Ohtani. Owner Jim Crane told Brian McTaggart of MLB.com that the Astros will “put a full-court press on” to sign Ohtani, adding that they’ll “probably send the A-team out there.” He also noted that the Astros “need a left-handed DH, so there you have it.” In addition to having the ability to demonstrate his offensive prowess in Houston, Ohtani would add another potential front-end starter to a rotation that already includes past Cy Young winners Justin Verlander and Dallas Keuchel.
- While the Rays are obvious long shots to land Ohtani, they have an advantage over other teams with the presence of two-way prospect Brendan McKay, Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times observes. McKay, the fourth overall pick in last year’s draft, could be both a pitcher and a hitter in the majors. “We’re hopeful (McKay) can do it,” Rays GM Erik Neander said. “We want to give him the opportunity to do it because he’s shown he deserves that opportunity and we don’t want to take that away from him prematurely.” Citing McKay’s presence, the Rays will emphasize to Ohtani that they’re open-minded about developing and employing a two-way player, per Topkin, who also expects them to pitch Tampa Bay’s “relaxed” lifestyle during the recruiting process.
- The Marlins, MLB’s other Florida-based organization, are unlikely to make an effort for Ohtani, Tim Healey of the South Florida Sun Sentinel writes. The cost-cutting Marlins are wary of the financial commitment it would take to reel in Ohtani, who won’t require much from a salary standpoint but will cost a $20MM posting fee. While that looks like a relatively minor amount for a possible franchise face like Ohtani, the Marlins simply aren’t in position to fork it over in their current financial state, Healey explains.
- While the Indians only have $10K in international bonus pool space, they’re expected to partake in the Ohtani derby, per Paul Hoynes of cleveland.com. He’d slot into an already loaded rotation, one which features two-time Cy Young winner Corey Kluber and Carlos Carrasco; additionally, Ohtani could DH for a team at risk of losing Carlos Santana in free agency.
- All things considered, the Yankees may be the favorites for Ohtani. There’s a general “fear” coming from other franchises regarding the Bronx Bombers, tweets Passan, given the talent on hand, the market they’re in and their strong relationship with CAA Sports. They also have the second-biggest international bonus pool.
sss847
are the astros going to send Gurriel to recruit Ohtani?
Padres2019ha
Well played
dynamite drop in monty
Lol
sfg415sfc
But I thought that was a sign of respect?! Hahaha
buddhablessed
Was thinking the same thing as I read this lol
Michael Chaney
Lmao
BlueSkyLA
The Dodgers are apparently out of the running now.
sfg415sfc
Damn.
BlueSkyLA
Doubt it’s true but to read this article you’d think so.
StuMatthews11
To read this article, you’d think the Angels are out of it too. I find it difficult to believe either the Dodgers or Angels are out of it.
I also hope Ohtani find Seattle’s hyper-aggressive approach to be distasteful.
matthew102402
I severely doubt he thinks it’s going to be distasteful.
Stevil
Who has came out and been more honest and respectful when discussing Ohtani than Dipoto? You have a strange definition of what distasteful is.
Sheldon Bowen
Like ewww these guys really want me. Gross. Should of tried the act like he doesn’t exist and hope he didn’t have a father figure in his life and he is insecure and comes running approach?
martyvan90
Mariner Big Guns? Jay Buhner? Frank Costanza?
thinkblech
For whatever it’s worth, Nikkan Sports in Japan reported that it was down to the Dodgers, Yankees, Padres, and two “mystery” teams.
Coast1
That’s probably not worth much. CAA sent out a questionnaire to all 30 teams and they probably hadn’t gotten all of them back when Nikkan Sports wrote that article. If CAA eliminates a team before getting the questionnaire back they’re operating in bad faith and burning a bridge for other clients.
thinkblech
Sure, if CAA does. If Ohtani is leaning one way or another, who cares about bridges, so long as CAA holds up their end of the bargain and presents the info? And what of the teams that don’t respond? The Marlins are out, have they burned a bridge with CAA? It’s probably still wide open, and the only reports we’re getting are due to one FO or another having a leak,or someone high up making a statement, not actual elimination.
JKB 2
Why would a non response burn a bridge. A non response is just that team bowing out. No bridge burned
Coast1
By asking every team to submit their responses CAA is telling them that Ohtani will look at their responses. If Ohtani’s intention was to only consider a few teams and not wait for everyone to respond then those teams have wasted their time and been misled. Why ask everyone for a response if you’re not going to look at their answers? Just ask the ones you’re considering.
thinkblech
That’s the point, response or non-response – there will be preconceived notions whether some folks like it or not. No bridges will be burnt for the agency if he knows from the get-go that he won’t play in one city or another.
brucewayne
There’s always that mystery team huh? I actually believe it will be either the Yankees or the Mariners! Just a wild guess.
WalkersDayOff
Why would you say that?
Padres2019ha
Preller has been recruiting Ohtani since he was 18, his agent is from SD, his former trainer is our head trainer, FO of Otsuka, Nomo and Saito, less pressure, up and coming team, oh, and the best city to live in.
woolcorp
For the Rangers* He’ll end up in Arlington.
Padres2019ha
Really, I had no idea…pfft
madmanTX
San Diego, where NFL teams try to escape from. The one big flaw in that reasoning is it is the Padres.
Lorenzo
You left out that The Padres had a working agreement with Ohtani’s home club, the Ham Fighters, from 2008 until October 30 of this year. He’s familiar with a lot of Padres people who have made trips to Japan.
Another is that he’s from a small town, and San Diego is a big city with a small town attitude. He’d be a big fish in a (relatively) small pond, playing for a team with one of the best farms in MLB and an ex-Dodgers ownership (Peter O’Malley owns a share) determined to make the team successful over the long haul.
posterizer
You left out that he wants a real market, a real chance at perpetual winning for the next 10 years, tradition, and tremendous marketing opportunities. Small town??? Bwahaha. He’s going to the Yanks
StuMatthews11
Hope he does. Another reason to hate the Spankees, as well as Cashman’s asshat stunt yesterday.
MB923
You are probably unaware that Cashman has done this stunt numerous times before, and they are done for charities
And @posterizer , thanks for making Yankee fans look bad again. You and others who are certain he’s going to the Yanks will look like fools if he don’t.
mikeyank55
Oh Stu…don’t hate. Envy is ok. Hates is unhealthy.
dust44
He wants to play with and against the best competition as to y he’s making the leap now instead of waiting for more money. If ppl think the rays and pads etc have a chance they r crazy. His team in Japan could beat both those teams
JKB 2
The Padres are an up and coming team???
SixFlagsMagicPadres
Take a look at their farm system for the answer to that question.
tenman85
Guess the White Sox and Braves should be consisted favorited because of their farm systems as well? Ha…
brucewayne
Name all the great Padres former prospects that are currently killing it in MLB !
Stevil
Ron Burgundy would do a better job selling San Diego to Ohtani than Preller.
arc89
NYY are the favorites only because the media wants them to be the favorites. Bonus pool money is a non factor since he is giving up more money coming to America. It is coming down to 2 teams on the west coast not east coast.
Padres2019ha
Padres and Angels. Angels are still LA and he can get big money in endorsements w out the pressure
Coast1
Baseball players don’t make big money in endorsements no matter what city they play in. In 2015 the top endorsement earner made $4 million and only 4 players made more than $1.2 million. This isn’t basketball. Endorsement money is a drop in the bucket to these guys.
arc89
In Japan the players make more in endorsements than their regular deals.
Coast1
I don’t know if the numbers on OpenEndorse include Japanese money but Ohtani would make that money regardless of where he plays.
bruinsfan94 2
Where u get those numebers?
Cat Mando
“Where u get those numebers?”
Posey is #1 at $4mm
There are several sources, Forbes is one
forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2017/04/11/clayto…
JKB 2
The Angels do not play in LA. They play in Orange County no matter how they try to pretend otherwise. They play in Anheim. That IS NOT LA.
StuMatthews11
Thank God it’s not LA. OC is so much better than LA.
AGAVE
Ohtani can get the big money :
Just what Arte Moreno excels @ !
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
brucewayne
I can see it now; Ohtani on tons
brucewayne
of billboards all over Southern California . Isn’t that how Moreno made most of his fortune?
pantherfan73
Gerrit Cole and international money to the Yanks for a prospect haul would work well for both sides…
ChiSoxCity
Arc98, you hit the nail on the head. The national media is extremely provincial and biased toward NY, Boston and LA. It’s virtually all you hear about on XM radio, the MLB Network, etc. I personally want to hear what ALL teams are doing, not just the Yanks and Red Sox, when looking for unbiased (non-local) info.
BlueSkyLA
True until you included LA. The West Coast is in the wrong time zone for most of the national media to care about what goes on there.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
Very true. It’s why you don’t hear as much about teams like the Padres or Dodgers in their efforts to sign Ohtani.
ChiSoxCity
The Dodgers were the first team rumored to be a “great” landing spot for Stanton. Plus all the talking heads on tv and satellite radio wanted the LA and NY in the WS. Their complete indifference toward non-coastal teams is comical at this point.
BlueSkyLA
Bet you can’t come up with any hard evidence for that “first.” I live here, and I haven’t head it. Our local media (not including talk radio, which I never hear) has hardly mentioned Ohtani over these last few months and certainly has not touted any of the inevitability we’re hearing from Yankee fans and the NY media.
But I agree, the middle of the country is neglected in baseball coverage too. All the coverage (including here) is heavily tilted towards Boston and New York.
arc89
NYY are not high on the list of signing him but the media is trying to push the story. Every west coast team is higher on the list. Money is no factor. I even saw a poll on another website and it was so bias in the factors trying to put NYY at the top.
yanks02026
Ok but NY can offer more stuff besides just bonus pool money.
StuMatthews11
Nahhhh. Smog, traffic, crime, bullshit.
dust44
And young stars and another Japanese star
MB923
Lol @ crime. NY is actually one of the safest cities in the country. Matter of fact a few years ago it was ranked #1 in lowest crime rate among the Top 10 (and top 25) cities in the country. San Diego was ranked 8th in the Top 10 and 17th in the Top 25
politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/aug/2…
ChiSoxCity
The billions of federal dollars funneled to NY to fund their gestapo police force has something to do with that.
MB923
LOL. Says the guy likely from the south side of Chicago
brucewayne
Yea! Just like any other large city in the U.S.
JKB 2
So no team in the midwest? What about the report that has the final 5 including the Chicago Cubs? That is not west or east coast
mikeyank55
Thanks for sharing the confidential inside track Arc. Too bad that you speak with such authority about your opinion.
NoRegretzkys
I hope Ohtani turns into a bust. Tired of hearing about him. My guess is he’ll be on the DL a few times throughout the season for extended time.
Cat Mando
cjmask…..Shall I sent you a box of small insects so you can pull the legs and wings off?
camdenyards46
Why would you hope for someone to have a bad career just because you keep hearing their name?
NoRegretzkys
It’s so much hype for a player that really will only go to one of the big clubs. Wouldn’t you like your Orioles to have an actual chance to have a star like that, by some kind of ohhhh I don’t know, a draft? He shouldn’t get to pick and choose where he goes.
BlueSkyLA
The NPB team owners would disagree emphatically with your idea of how it should all work.
JKB 2
@cjmask
Can I offer some tissue to dry your tears?
Why would anyone. Any FA want to go to Baltimore with that dysfunctional organization that will not even be able to keep Machado from leaving.
brucewayne
So I guess you think there shouldn’t be free agency? What about slavery? You like that as well? Freedom? Rights? Please tell us !
yanks02026
Because he’s jealous that his team won’t be getting him.
Cubbie75
I tend to dislike primadonnas too.
dust44
But u like ur prima Donna guys right?
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
That’s a clown question. He has every right to chose, because of his professional service time. The mlb again screwed over the NPB. The owners also successfully depressed salaries for international players. Seems like a prevalent pattern developing. He gave up 200M by coming over early while also giving up more annual salary in Japan through the first couple go rounds on an milb deal. He has the right to pick, because he’s still a freaking human being who hasn’t had the ability to assimilate to a new culture in which he’d be attempting to do so the fly at the mlb level. The NPB already has less reason to post certain level of players, let’s just you know push it further and pillage an extremely established league and while doing it completely disincentive them to post talent. But you know…
astros_fan_84
I’m happy to know that the Astros are trying, and he would be an obvious fit, but I’m not getting my hopes up.
Dannydeman
Ohtani = bust
Cat Mando
Danny, have you met cjmask? The two of you can start a club.
If you haven’t won Powerball excuse me if I decide to take the “wait and see” approach before trusting your predictions.
NoRegretzkys
Never said it was a prediction. He missed time last year with injury. It’s possible it’ll happen again over a full MLB season making 30 starts and 500 plate appearances or whatever he’s demanding.
Cat Mando
cjmask…multiple accounts, because Danny made a prediction with a simple Ohtani = bust. I never said you did. For you I just made an offer.
BTW, it’s also possible that Judge, Altuve, Kershaw, or even Ty Kelly gets injured.
I’ve never heard a demand re: # if starts or PA, have you?
mikeyank55
Danny your observations are so insightful that Fred Wilpon is inviting you to Citifield to interview for Sandy Aldersteins’ job.
The Mets have been searching for someone with such a command for statistics and an ability to use their insight to perfectly predict the future.
bobtillman
Nate Silver says Cincinnati Reds….he already told President Hillary…..
Macho King OG
Even if he’s a bust, it’s such a low risk move to sign him and take a chance.
baines03
By big guns I wonder if dipoto means ichiro.
Cat Mando
BAINES03…That was my first thought.
martyvan90
Jay Buhner!
dewssox79
Im so sick of mlbtr being all ohtani and stanton play by plays.
in regards to ohtani i think he goes to the nyy with tanaka as his mentor. I really cant see him going anywhere else.
the 2 mystery teams are intriguing though.
rerogers
Trade Rumors. That’s what this is. Trade Rumors.
demmer19
I think Siri has the inside scoop on where he goes! I’ll ask her and get back to you!
BlueSkyLA
My magic 8-ball says “ask again later.”
Dannydeman
Tanaka last 3 years in Japan
Era – 1.27, 1.86, 1.27
B.B./9. – 1.1 1.0. 1.4
K/B.B. . – 8.1. 6.9. 9.6
Mlb era 3.56
Yu Darvish last 3 seasons in Japan
Era. – 1.73 1.78. 1.44
B.B./9 – 2.2. 2.1. 1.4
K/B.B. – 3.71. 4.72. 7.67
Mlb career era. 3.42
Ohtani last 3 seasons (not
Including his injured year last season)
Era. – 2.61. 2.24. 1.86
B.B./9. – 3.3. 2.6. 2.9
K/B.B. – 3.14. 4.26. 3.87
Mlb era – predictions? I say 3.70
Also please note Ohtani throws 100mph in a league that none of the hitters have ever faced 100mph. His saving grace alone over in Japan is the fact that I’m sure 100mph is almost unhittable for many of their batters. I’m sure the average fastball climbs up markedly in the mlb compared to Japan.
If Tanaka and Darvish were much better than Ohtani in Japan and their fastballs were not as overpowering to Japanese hitters as Ohtani, I can only imagine what his drop off will be in the USA.
ATL_ranger
First legitimate knock on Ohtani I’ve seen, good point about the velocity.
Still think he’ll be pretty successful though, or at least similar to Darvish and Tanaka. Not one of the top pitchers in the league but certainly a guy you want on your team
bronxbombers
You have to take into account those were Tanaka and darkish age 23,24,25 seasons while it was Ohtanis 21,22,23 so he would be 2 years behind in development from the other two
Dannydeman
Yeah so go ahead and look at the k/B.B. and B.B./9 for just all 3 of their 23 year old seasons. Still worse and their best pitches weren’t ones that were an unheard of in Japan and not so unique in the mlb
Dannydeman
Also darvish had a 1.82 era at 20 years old and a 1.88 era at 21. So I’m not really sure what you are getting at?!
therealryan
Not sure why you seem to purposely be putting out partial information in an attempt to knock Ohtani, but using last 3 seasons in Japan seems pretty disingenuous. Tanaka and Darvish both played their last 3 seasons in Japan at age 22-24, while Ohtani’s last 3 full seasons were his age 19-21 seasons.
Tanaka age 19-21 seasons in Japan
ERA: 3.49, 2.33, 2.50
BB/9: 2.8, 2.0, 1.9
K/BB: 2.9, 4.0, 3.7
Darvish age 19-21 seasons
ERA: 2.89, 1.82, 1.88
BB/9: 3.8, 2.1, 2.0
K/BB: 1.8, 4.3, 4.7
Ohtani age 19-21, his last 3 full seasons
ERA: 2.61, 2.24, 1.86
BB/9: 3.3, 2.6, 2.9
K/BB: 3.1, 4.3, 3.9
Looking at their production at a similar age and you see that Ohtani is right up there with the other two pitchers. Ohtani also has had better HR/9 and H/9 stats at a similar point in their careers.
Dannydeman
I love how you use the age listed in baseball reference because it is convienient and misleading. You do realize in his age “21” season he was 22 for 3/4 of it right??
Dannydeman
Also I just looked it up and you darvish comparisons are accurate but going by actual age. Tanaka had a 1.27 era in a season where he was 22 years old for the entire season. Ohtani had a 1.86 era in a year where he turned 22 about 2 months into the season. Regardless of what you want to compare. Tanaka and darvish compare very well with Ohtani at any age and neither one of them came over here and have a career era anywhere near 2.70 so where do you surmise that?! Darvish 3.42 mlb. And Tanaka 3.56
So why is it that Ohtani will have an era almost a full run lower? Coming in off of already being injured, trying to adjust to league change while trying to adjust both offensively and pitching? Also might I add you used the point of balls flying off the bats to promote him being the only Japanese player to increase home run production but when it comes to how well he will pitch you fail to acknowledge how that will effect his pitching. Tanaka and darvish didn’t come over in the home run boom as you say and their eras are mid 3’s. And this guy is supposed to come over and just be a run lower than them??
Dannydeman
And so just so I get this correct.
You are saying that Ohtani who hasn’t been as dominant or at best been equal to Tanaka and darvish in Japan is going to come to the USA, during as you said “time when balls are flying off bats”, adjust to major league hitting and pitching at the same time and pitch almost a full run lower in era compared to Tanaka and darvish.
He is also going to come over after having a smaller slg percentage than ichiro and matsui, with a much higher strike out rate, and come and hit more homeruns than ichiro ever did and and beat matsui total in all but one of matsuis years? You do know regardless of if he was 28 years old matsui was a legendary home run hitter in Japan and had just come off of 50 bombs and never hit above 31 home runs in the mlb, only getting to 30 once.
Also Ohtani figures to get about 300 at bats in the mlb. That’s if he bats 3 games out of 5 and averaged 3 ab a game. If he hits 30 hr in 300 at bats you are saying he will pretty much be on pace to hit around 60 hr in a full season. Pretty lofty of you lol
All in all after having comparative stats to Tanaka and Ohtani he is going to come over during an offensive explosion and be the best Japanese born pitcher ever
And at the same time he’s adjusting to the hitters
In his days off..
Even though he hit nowhere near as well as matsui and ichiro, two of Japan’s legendary hitters, he will also come over and be the greatest Japanese born hitter to play in the mlb as well?!
brucewayne
Are the baseballs used in Japan smaller? I thought I read that somewhere. I’m not sure though.
Cat Mando
brucewayne “Are the baseballs used in Japan smaller? I thought I read that somewhere. I’m not sure though.”
It used to be until 2011 and the NPB used to use as many as 9 different mfgs. Now they use 1. I am trying to nail down the specs but have to search more. One reason they made the change to a larger and standardized ball is the WBC where American balls are used..
When/if I find the specs (post 2011…found them for earlier) I will post them
Dannydeman
Also as far as him hitting regularly..
Matsui hit 50 hr in 500 at bats his final year in Japan.
He then hit 16 hr in 627 At bats for the Yankees
Ichiro hit 25 hrs in Japan
He never came near that in the USA
Ohtani hit 8 hr in 200 at bats last year and 22 in about 350 at bats the year before.
And he is supposed to “hit some
Dingers” in the mlb?! What pipe are we smoking (Japan’s baberuth) lmao
Free Clay Zavada
And then Matsui hit 31 the year after. You try moving to live among a drastically different culture with a different primary language and see if you perform the same right away..
Dannydeman
So he hit 50 and then averaged 31 in the mlb every year other than his first?? How does that make a point for you?!
andrewgauldin
Eric Thames did it without a problem.
Dannydeman
WTH you talking about lol
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
That um ankle injury might have something to do with it. Oh and if you haven’t noticed the balls sort of flying like it’s juiced. You also have to consider his AB total so it’s not as though you’re comparing apples to apples. I’d also fail to include Ichiro, because it was evident when he came over he had little intention to adjust his approach to try and hit for power.
Dannydeman
I did consider the at bat total. He hits 22 homeruns in 323 at bats on his by far best hitting year. And as a 3 day a week hitter in the mlb I would assume he would get around 323 at bats. So if matsui hit 50 and then hit 16 and then 31 the year after I’d say there is still a big drop off. Also btw 31 hr in the mlb was matsuis best total
Dannydeman
I’d say if matsui went from 335 hr in 10
Seasons to 175. And from 50 to 16 and then 31. And ichiro hit for close to 20 hr a year in Japan and then barely any. Then what can we can expect a part time hitter with a 30% k rate against a league averaging what? A 91mph fastball.
Dannydeman
Also ichiro hit 353 in Japan lifetime and 312 in mlb
JKB 2
@dannydeman
Babe Ruth was a stud pitcher before he was only a hitter. Thats why Ohtani is the japan babe ruth. Nothing to do with comparing him to the all time home run king (its not Bonds)
Dannydeman
Yeah it’s hank Aaron lol
brucewayne
To be fair, Ichiro never tried to be a HR hitter in MLB . He cared more about getting on base
Dannydeman
That’s fine but his avg dropped as well. In general all batting statistics drop by a decent margin when a Japanese hitter enters mlb. Same with pitching. I would be curious to know if any Japanese born player has ever had better stats in the mlb. Probably not.
Dannydeman
Might I also add that Ohtani had almost a 30% strike out rate at the plate facing Japanese pitching
chitown311
In summary, he has a possibility of going to 1 of 30 teams. Thanks. I’ll wait for the newest update tomorrow!
Free Clay Zavada
What does a team have to lose by promising him whatever he wants when he sign? For example, what if he tells an NL team he wants to start in left field every day he doesn’t pitch? Even if it’s not smart long term it’s still worth promising it to get a leg up on the field in signing him.
davidcoonce74
Because a team that did that and kept the promise would almost certainly be making their team worse, right? Ohtani is probably not a good enough hitter to be a regular starting left fielder in the majors. and would probably suffer from serious fatigue if he tried to do both full-time.
Dannydeman
Also on Matsui
10 seasons in Japan
304 batting average with 332 homeruns
10 seasons in mlb
282 batting average with 175 homeruns
How exactly does that mean 22 home runs is going to translate?
davidcoonce74
He was also in his prime in Japan and past his prime in the majors
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Power is also usually the last thing that develops so judging a kid at 21 is sort of a fools errand.
Dannydeman
He is kind of about to be 24…..
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
His playing age has essentially been extremely young. His 200 ABs due to an ankle injury you can’t really draw any conclusions. His playing age for 16 was 21. The age differential was 7.2 years. The assessment based on hrs is kind of laughable as we just saw a record breaking year of hrs. You’re comparing two actually three different players with different skill sets, points in their career, and actual products of the game. Your point has significant flaws and explains nothing, whether you’d like to admit it or not. The balls are clearly flying, it’s becoming a power on power game which has taken away some of the actual art of pitching. If you have a point you clearly don’t have much to back it up….
Dannydeman
Really so pointing out that Japan’s greatest hr hitter came to the mlb and had a huge drop in hr production isn’t valid? Regardless of what you are saying Ohtani is almost 24 years of age. In real age. Also ichiro Suzuki had a higher slugging percentage than Ohtani when he played in the Japan league, and clearly had a huge drop. How exactly is pointing out the clear drop in power as some of the greatest Japanese hitters enter the mlb not valid? Regardless of age the drop was immediate. Also ichiro hit 353 in Japan lifetime and 312 in mlb.
Dannydeman
Also ichiro came over when the ball was flying out of the park as well, and dropped down in slg % significantly.
Are you really suggesting that the pitchers in the mlb are not much better than Japan now?
Dannydeman
Also the year matsui hit 31 in mlb was the second highest mlb hr total to date only behind this year and ichiro played mlb that year too, (2004)
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
When Ichiro and Matsui came into the league balls were flying for a different reason. Let’s just start off there. I think it’s pretty self explanatory. So again things are still not fair comparisons. Secondly let’s also mention the park Ichiro played in was were power hitters went to die. Adrian Beltre says a big hello. Add that onto the fact that he was not a power guy and was never expected to be a power. So yes you’d expect those numbers to take a massive drop. And as much as can care less about BA of course those numbers would see a dip. The comment made was essentially because of one of your earlier comments.
Again this is a completely different animal. We’re talking about Ohtani coming over 6 years earlier than Matsui. Comprehend that. So we’re talking about a back end of their prime type of guy and trying to make quite frankly terrible comparisons. But regardless. My main point sure compare what older sluggers did in the past to give you some sort of reference, because there will be some drop off but you definitely can’t write a guy off because this is a completely different animal.
Dannydeman
Ok so he hit 50 home runs in his last season and averaged 20 less per season in the mlb?! Is that supposed to disprove my point?
Koodle
I think this dude is overrated and hopefully the Sox don’t get him. He’ll probably end up being a hitter after long, a lot easier to get hurt in pitching and his numbers overall aren’t impressive.
Going from that, why aren’t the Angels in the running, don’t they have a lot of pool money?
Realtexan
The Texas Rangers are a head of all other teams when it comes to the pool money. Plus the Rangers have the extra 20 million to burn to talk to him. So I do see him going to sign with the Rangers
ChiSoxCity
Most Japanese starting pitchers struggle with injury and fatigue when making the transition to the MLB. I doubt the two-way experiment lasts very long with his new club.
JKB 2
@chisoxcity
Excellent point!! I agree 100%
sufferforsnakes
Wouldn’t it be something if he ended up in Cleveland? And yes, I said that with a straight face.
madmanTX
The Astros, who haven’t put in the time on Ohtani, have only a video of a guy desecrating the American flag on his speedos while celebrating in a locker room and have won one aberration of a World Series think they can just jump in like this. Hah.
houston turmoiler
You have no idea what level of time and resources the Astros have committed to Ohtani. Your entire post sounds more like a bitter fan. There were two great teams in the Series and the Astros certainly earned it.
Realtexan
Amen
East Coast Bias
Cashman turned into Spiderman trying to recruit this kid. It was as ridiculous as it sounds.
Like many other people have been saying, I don’t think it is the bonus money that lures him. It’s all the extra stuff. That includes endorsements, history, support system, fanbase, etc..
I’ve heard he wants to bat so maybe an NL team has an advantage?
Whoever gets him, it will be franchise changing. Getting that type of talent for less than 4m. Wow! Talk about winning the lottery.
I just hope he’s as good as advertised, like Darvish and Tanaka, regardless of who he signs with.
rivera42
No, the AL teams have an advantage when it comes to that because of the DH. Ohtani is not going to be playing the field, so he’d be limited to batting when he starts and pinch hitting here and there on NL teams, whereas he can take regular at-bats in full games as a DH and possibly when he pitches as well.
card collector18
Let’s go Yankees
JKB 2
Well the Yankees hiring of Booney is NOT going to help get Ohtani
nyy42
Actually it will!
Breezy
Come on Preller, we know you’ll come up with any little reason to convince yourself Ohtani is a good fit for your club. Same goes for every other team.
Dannydeman
Also might I add ichiro hit 353 in 9 seasons in Japan and 312 in 17 mlb seasons.
Dannydeman
My predictions on Ohtani.
3.70 career era
282 average with 12 hr a season
justin-turner overdrive
2.70 ERA
.260 avg with 20-30 homers a year
better stats if he makes adjustments at the plate, which being 23 he absolutely still can
Dannydeman
So when every Japanese born player in history regardless of age or story action has had a steady drop in power, Ohtani is going to be the first to come to the mlb and increase his power?? Based on what exactly ? The fact that he has probably never even faced a 98mph fastball let alone a 100mph fastball?! The guy hit 22 hr in his best year in 323 at bats which is around what he would get here batting 3/5 games. He is going to come here and face exponentially better pitching and increase his hr output? What an unrealistic expectation lol.
Dannydeman
Also take a look at mlb players who went over to Japan even “past their primes” lol
Wladimir Balentien 15 homeruns in 559 mlb at bats. He went to Japan hit 31 home runs a season and 60 home runs in 130 games.
Alex Cabrera 5 hr in 84 mlb at bats
Went to Japan and hit 49 the. 55 then 50 hr
Tuffy Rhodes hit 13 hr in mlb during 5 years
Then hit 55 in 2001 in Japan
MATT murten hit 286 with about a 400 slugging pct in the mlb
In 2010 in Japan he hit 349 with 17 hr and 35 doubles.
So really this guy who hit 22 homeruns in Japan is supposed to come
Over here and barf out 30 homeruns in 300 at bats???!
Dannydeman
Ichiro had a higher slugging % than Ohtani in Japan. This guy is no power hitter!! For god sakes! Lol
justin-turner overdrive
Otani is only 22 calm down
Dannydeman
He is 23 1/2…..
Dannydeman
Where the heck are you getting 22 from?? He is 23 and 150 days old buddy
thunderlips
The real question is, how will he be utilized in fantasy sports?
justin-turner overdrive
Most scouts say Otani is going to be comparable to Syndergaard, the Law article is doing nothing but agreeing with that and saying his bat might end up being like, Brad Miller-esque, but that’s still an unreal player. Really not a fan of people coming in and “hoping” he flops, what a worthless thing to say.
SI
I see him struggling as a pitcher in the AL East but succeeding as a hitter.
sturt
Question #1: Do we ***know*** he doesn’t want to play the field, or is that just an assumption people have made?
Question #2: Any reason to think he wouldn’t make a good closer?
Kylesamac
I think it’s a matter of compromise, if he is going to play a significant role as a pitcher you want to limit injury risk and him hurt his arm. So DH limits that risk.
sturt
Kylesamac, I understand, but begging your indulgence, that’s not the question.
The question isn’t what is best for him from a team perspective, but what he himself wants. What he wants is what is actually important here to determining where he would land–not what outsiders think he should do.
Cat Mando
_sturt_…..Ohtani quite playing the OF in 2014 and even then it was only 8 games that season. I have tried to find out if it was his decision to switch to DH or the clubs but haven’t found anything. It’s hard to say if or how the decision to move to DH improved his game at the plate and on the mound as his only real playing time (54 games) in the OF was one season as an 18 year old rookie. His rookie stats were mediocre at best.
I have read that he has the talent to field but who knows what would happen with a much more grueling MLB schedule. Even though he said the two players he wants to face off against…Kershaw as a hitter and Harper as a pitcher are both in the NL it’s my humble opinion that he will go to an AL team as a SP/DH.
As rare a breed as this kid is though it’s anyone’s guess. I really do recommend the NYDN article as it give a extra layer of insight and is not NY biased.
nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/japanese-r…
steelerbravenation
Mariners gonna sneak in & sign him
balloonknots
I agree and think mariners will get him!
It makes too much sense…
Current vet Asian pitcher to mentor and they have money plus team that can compete with anyone in AL
jacknbd
Mairiners aren’t gonna “sneak in” they’re probably being the most obvious about wanting and trying to recruit him lol
Cardinals17
Wow! Ohtani with the Yankees! What a young core to build on!!
Macho King OG
I think it comes down to these 4 teams. Astros, Mariners, Rangers, Yankees.
cubsbearsbulls2018
Think it’s HILARIOUS that Preller thinks he has a shot! Funniest thing I’ve heard today! What was his pitch? “Hey come to San Diego, we suck and will suck for at least the next 8 years. I’m not that great at drafting, or signing free agents. But I do trade guys who are injured away, and if I’m lucky, the other team doesn’t file a grievance and send them back!” Hahahahahahahahaha!
padresfans1111
I can tell that you don’t follow baseball. Ohtani is actually interested into signing with the Padres.
cubsbearsbulls2018
I was being facetious, I know he has interest in meeting with the Padres. After meeting with them, his interest will disappear.
jeremytk42
“We’re not joking around. We’re bringing the big guns” BAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHA!
Adam6710
As a Yankee fan I *hate* that they are being said to be favorites to sign Otani. As a fan there is nothing good to come from this talk: if he DOES sign with the Yankees it’s simply “sure, of course he did, they were said to be signing him all along!” and if he DOESN’T, it’s an enormous let down and build-up of expectations. Worse than simply missing out.
I choose to believe the yankees have 1/30th of a shot, will give it there best.
MB923
Ohtani has informed the Yankees he will Not sign with them. How do you feel now fellow Yankee fans who guaranteed he’d be coming here?