10:19am: Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports (via Twitter) that the Yankees would also likely balk at including either of Justus Sheffield or Estevan Florial in a package for Cole. Sherman suspects that any package would be structured around Clint Frazier and Chance Adams.
10:07am: Feinsand tweets that there’s been no change since this morning, reporting that the two sides aren’t close to a deal. Like Heyman and Bowden (as well as the YES Network’s Jack Curry), Feinsand adds that the Yankees have no plans to trade Torres.
9:45am: Jim Bowden of MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM now tweets that the Pirates and Yankees are close to a deal that would send Cole to New York. Torres is not a part of those talks, according to Bowden.
Dec. 22, 8:17am: Both Feinsand and Heyman throw some cold water on the talks with the Yankees, as Feinsand now hears that the advancement in talks last night may have been “overstated.” Heyman notes that there’s no positive momentum in talks between the two sides at this time.
Dec. 21, 9:49pm: Passan adds more context in a full column, reporting that the Yankees are “hopeful” that they can entice the Pirates to agree to a deal that does not include Torres, who is the leading candidate to succeed Starlin Castro as the everyday second baseman in the Bronx. Passan suggests that Cole could very well be traded before Christmas and adds that the Pirates may also market McCutchen as they prepare for a rebuilding effort.
8:59pm: MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand tweets that talks between the Yankees and Pirates are “getting hot,” though he notes that it remains unclear if a deal is on the verge of completion.
8:24pm: FanRag’s Jon Heyman tweets that the primary sticking point in talks has been that the Yankees want to headline a package for Cole with Frazier, while the Pirates want Torres to be the headliner.
8:08pm: The Pirates and Yankees are again discussing a trade that would send right-hander Gerrit Cole to New York, according to Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports (Twitter links). While there’s been plenty of trade talk surrounding Cole this winter, Passan now reports that the Pirates are “motivated” to get a deal done and there’s a “very strong”likelihood that he’ll be traded.
The Yankees, according to Passan, are the likeliest landing spot for Cole, with one source telling him that it’s a matter of “when” a trade will ultimately be agreed upon rather than a matter of “if.”
Talks between the Bucs and Yanks have been ongoing, to some extent, since the Winter Meetings at the least, though The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal reported earlier this week that those negotiations had “cooled” to some extent. The Pirates at one point were said to have been pushing for Gleyber Torres to be included in the deal, though it’d be tough for the Yankees to part with the touted young infielder. Other names that have been mentioned in rumors include young outfielder Clint Frazier and right-hander Chance Adams, though the permutations of the current talks remain unreported.
Cole, 27, is controlled for another two years and comes with a projected arbitration salary of $7.5MM, per MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz. He’d give the Yankees another high-octane arm to add to the top end of a rotation that also includes Luis Severino, Sonny Gray, Masahiro Tanaka, CC Sabathia and Jordan Montgomery at present. Certainly, that strong group and the presence of Adams and Justus Sheffield in the upper minors presents the Yankees with an enviable stock of starters, but Cole, a former No. 1 overall pick, also comes with a Cy Young caliber season on his resume and stands out as a nice rebound candidate on the heels of a down season (by his standards).
Cole was one of just 15 pitchers to top 200 innings in 2017, and in his 203 frames he averaged 8.7 K/9 and 2.4 BB/9 with a 45.8 percent ground-ball rate and a fastball that averaged 96 mph. A huge spike in Cole’s HR/9 rate (from 0.54 in 2016 to 1.37 in 2017) led to a bloated 4.26 ERA, but he also maintained an ability to miss bats, limit walks and keep the ball on the ground. All of those trends point to the possibility of a return to form, though moving to the AL East (and, specifically, Yankee Stadium) isn’t necessarily a great recipe to cut back on one’s home run rate.
If Cole is ultimately traded, the question then becomes just how far the Pirates will go in terms of selling off veteran assets. Josh Harrison and Andrew McCutchen have both been oft-mentioned trade candidates this winter — speculatively speaking, Harrison could hold appeal to the Yankees — with each becoming increasingly expensive and moving closer to free agency. McCutchen will hit the open market next offseason, while Harrison is controlled through 2020 by virtue of a pair of club options but is now commanding $10MM+ per season.
a1544
Let’s trade for Cole and kershaw too
xfloydsterx
and Griffey!
mcdusty31
Kershaw ain’t going nowhere
em650r
He must be on some dumb stuff Kershaw is not going to NY
zachattack
Kershaw is not going anywhere
EndinStealth
Sarcasm not your strong point?
Dodgethis
Sarcasm and the internet don’t mix. It doesn’t always read well.
delete
No, you don’t
Dynasty
The sarcasm was abundantly clear here. The internet excuse won’t fly when it’s this obvious.
venom
Kershaw has an opt out option next year. He can go wherever he wants at that point
saavedra
Kershaw is a FA after the season. He is free to sign in whichever place he prefers. Saying “he ain’t going nowhere” doesn’t change that fact.
wrigleywannabe
It was a reply to a comment about a trade being done now. Try to pay attention.
martyvan90
Quick troll- nice.
stug14
I’d talk to the Mets and see if I can get Tebow.
Walker
I love you
kcusgnikcufsregdod
Would love to see Kershaw go to another team and win a championship there
sandman12
Cole is no Kershaw. He pretty much sucked last season.
joeyuno
Not pretty much, he did suck. 3 seasons ago he was the ace of that staff, he slots in behind sonny gray as our 4th starter. I really don’t know why we keep pushing for this guy other than he’s a controllable starter for around 8mil. He has some nasty stuff, real hard thrower when healthy and when right. Every deal involving the ya Jews you hear Torres or Frazier. We won’t trade Torres but if everyone want Frazier why would we trade him? His upside must be tremendous and he looked pretty darn good when he played in the bigs for a little. Gardy is gone in a year, Hicks in 2. Why would we not keep this kid and use Montgomery and then see what chance adams has. There is no more upside to Cole. His 31 HR’s he gave up last year was triple his career high to go along nicely with his ERA over 4, also a career worst. Unless we steal this guy from the pirates a la Stanton, who the heck needs him especially at the asking price the currently want.
Caseys Partner
“Yankees would also likely balk at including either of Justus Sheffield or Estevan Florial in a package for Cole”
ROFLOL!
“Yankees: “We know who our real prospects are and you can’t have any of them.. Here’s a list of roster filler crap our controlled baseball media wrote up as “prospects” and you can lie to your fan base about them having MLB talent”
southbeachbully
Ohhhh…so the baseball media is on the Yanks teet and pliable to the whims of our front office and writes up fake prospect reports but ALLLLLLL the other glowing reports for all the non-Yankee prospect are unbiased and legit? I got it now.
acarneglia
If a trade happens it’s probably gonna involve Clint Frazier in my mind
Joe Kerr
Yep and either of Adams or Sheffield with him.
koz16
That’s an overpay for Cole. Estrada, McKinney, and Guzman or Abreu and a high upside low minors player should do it. Even that’s probably an overpay for a pitcher the Yankees really don’t need.
ThePriceWasRight
you’re on crack. Just because you claim you don’t need a pitcher doesn’t mean they don’t and whether the yanks do or don’t doesn’t change Cole’s price.
oh wait I forgot yanks prospects are all future hall of famers.
floridapinstripes
sure let’s just ask the Marlins to trade Guzman to the Pirates for us
southbeachbully
Yankee fan here. Estrada and McKinney aren’t good enough to head up a package for Cole and Guzman was already traded to the Marlins in the Stanton deal.
koz16
Severino
Tanaka
Gray
Montgomery
Sabatthia
Green
—–
Adams
Sheffield
The 5th starter (and even the 4th) only need to be serviceable and eat some innings with the Yankee lineup. Estrada, Abreu, and Guzman are all top 10 Yankee prospects. I don’t recall mentioning that any Yankee prospect is a HOF’er.
bencole
Yeah but here’s the thing. Top 10 Yankee prospects aren’t enough. You need a top 25-30 in all of MLB to get Cole. Besides, read the comments. Guzman was traded to the Marlins for Stanton.
swartnp7
He wasn’t being literal w/ the HOF stuff. Just that most times a Yanks prospect gets brought up, everything is an “overpay” and somehow whatever Cashman asks for is fair.
internet1tough1guy
Yank fans acting like their lineup is the greatest ever.. judge, Stanton, Sanchez, and Didi? Let’s see how great it is when judge has his sophomore slump and Stanton only plays the first 80 games of the year.. they’ll be panicking and end up trading away all their decent prospects for a couple rentals.. judge had his best year he’ll ever have. Just watch. He’ll never sniff 40 hrs again
southbeachbully
Based off of what bit of intellect, thought or evidence? Yeesh. Haters gonna hate.
Sheldon Bowen
If they didn’t need him then why trade talks? Go watch mlb network
delete
But then Cashman gets the deal done and makes you look like a fool
Gasu1
You sound like a high school gurl. So jelly!
venom
You’re a moron and probably a Sox fan! Still crying over the overrated and over paid price, Ramirez and big fat panda! Have fun losing next year!
rivera42
There are actually more hitters. It’s more like Gardner, Judge, Stanton, Bird, Sanchez, Gregorius, Hicks, Torres(a top 5 prospect in baseball). Name me a better line-up in baseball please. Yankees have too many “decent” prospects to trade them for a couple of rentals.
Lol, Judge will never sniff 40 home runs again. Okay, can you explain that? Use logic and facts, if you don’t mind.
Burrcat2277
Hmm I don’t know, how about Houston? I will take Altuve, Springer, Correa, Bregman, Gonzalez, Gurriel, Reddick.
A couple others that granted are debatable, but nonetheless in the discussion are the Dodgers (Seager, Turner, Bellinger, Taylor and Puig)
Cubs (Bryant, Rizzo, Contreras, Happ, Baez,)
By the way, don’t throw out names for the sake of it to try and justify depth when arguing for baseballs best lineup. Torres hasn’t played in the bigs and missed last year. Bird is bad.
canadianyankee
Reply to internet1tough1guy….Marty is that you? Do you drive a Delorean by any chance?
Ken M.
See… that’s where you are wrong. Everyone knows the #30 prospect in the Yankees’ system is the top prospect in other systems.
cman
And there getting Darvish too? correct 6 years 50 million a year?
Yankeepride88
Okay hold on. Let’s use facts instead of opinions to determine the best hitters (Using oWAR via baseball reference)
Yankees –
Gardner (2.8)
Judge (7.2)
Stanton (6.5)
Didi (3.6)
Sanchez (4.1)
Hicks (2.4)
Bird (projected 1.2)
Torreyes (0.7)
Torres/Andujar (???)
28.5 WAR with Bird being a projection and the bottom two of the order not changing.
This would be a lineup if no further moves were made now.
Astros –
Springer (5.2)
Bregman (4.6)
Altuve (8.1)
Correa (5.9)
Gurriel (3.1)
Gonzalez (4.1)
Reddick (4.0)
Gattis (1.3)
McCann (2.5)
38.8 WAR
This is the assumed starting lineup for 2018
As a Yankees fan, the Astros have a better and deeper lineup then we do. You can point out the Marwin never had more than 1.5 WAR in a year or that Greg Bird is better than a 1 WAR player….
Doesn’t matter right now. The best offense in the AL is the Astros.
Chris
Wow don’t hate us cause you ain’t us
saavedra
Judge will pass 40 HRs next year, but that’s not the problem with his game. He will probably never sniff .284 AVG again is more accurate.
delete
Dude… You’re aware that WAR is not an offense stat right?? If you’re trying to figure out the best lineup you might want to pick a stat that does not include Fielding and that doesn’t adjust based on player position.
Priggs89
He said oWAR, which is an offensive stat…
michaelw
As I said The Hitting line up is better, their pitching is better that wo signing another started like Darvish or Cobb, or JA.
If they tighten that pen they will win the East again no doubt. Yank fans just in denial and can’t handle the truth. But time will tell soon enough.
Then come the excuses
southbeachbully
I’m not so sure about that. He has shown an ability to adjust to pitchers adjustments. Factor in that he has a great work ethic I think he will be mindful of the average and strike outs. I would not be shocked to see him hit 40+ hrs and hit about .290 next year.
rivera42
Hmm, Houston is very strong, but I think I’ll take the Yankees line-up over theirs.
Torres also happens to be a top 5 prospect in all of baseball. He also did not miss last year. He missed part of last year.
Bird is bad? Haha, yes, please keep thinking that. Bird was hurt. There is a difference. If Bird stays healthy, he’ll mash… don’t you worry about that.
chesteraarthur
And dumb homer fans gonna dumb
sgoodmon
Do you want to use facts or an arbitrary made up stat like WAR? Sincerely, jealous KC Royal fan
seamaholic 2
Yeah but not the centerpiece. He’s not enough.
Shadycube
Why wouldn’t he be? Top 25 prospects in the game is more than enough centerpiece for a former ace who’s numbers aren’t what they used to be.
Caseys Partner
The Yankees are always transacting with the Pirates like the Bucs are a Yankees farm team. Cashman knows from experience he can always dump off the crap from their farm onto the Pirates.
Gleyber Torres and Domingo Acevedo would be the price for Cole if Pittsburgh were not the Yanks farm team.
luclusciano
How do you figure? Cole is coming off a bad year with two years of control. Our current starting 5 has better years than Cole last year. And bringing a 1.37 hr/9 to Yankee stadium an AL East is trouble. I see Frazier and a lower level guy. Maybe Adams.
Perksy
When did Adams be me a lower level guy?
Perksy
I mean become a lower level guy?
Gasu1
Acevedo is the Yankees’ fourth best pitching prospect.
Caseys Partner
“(Bowden tweet)Torres is not a part of those talks, according to Bowden.”
Pirates GM bent over the table for Cashman with his pants around his ankles…..again.
Marlins and Pirates should be listed as farm teams of the Yankees.
saavedra
Cole for Frazier and Adams would be a very good return IMO. Adams might outpitch Cole in the next 5 years,
TheHammer16
Maybe giving CC and Tanaka those extra days off isn’t that bad of an idea…but not at their cost of Torres and Sheffield stated earlier in the offseason
jimbenwal
With Tanaka not opting out and Cashman going after a 7th starter it makes you wonder if Tanaka is having an arm issue that’s being kept under wraps. Hope not, but why else so many starters with no place on the roster?
ctguy
As long as Pittsburgh knows that they are not getting Gleyber Torres for Cole.
internet1tough1guy
If the Yanks we’re smart they’d trade Torres. Cubs were willing to give him up cuz they know he won’t be able to hit in the majors.. he’s the next jurickson profar
redsfan48
Cubs traded Torres because they had other middle infield prospects that were just as good and Torres was still in Low-A. They just had no need for Torres
internet1tough1guy
Cubs had no good middle infield prospects at the they traded Torres.. they had addy and Baez which were already on the team for a year or more.. but they wouldn’t trade a top 15 prospect in all of baseball if he was only being blocked by Baez.. Baez has a great glove but his hitting will drive people insane.. so there was clearly more reason behind that trade. They could of traded a couple good prospects instead I’m sure in his place. But I’m sure they knew something we don’t, and that’s probably that Torres is over hyped and can’t hit.
vmmercan 2
Except Torres wasn’t top 15 until after he was a yankee. Nice try though!
venom
Baez sucks! Look at his numbers! Obviously you’re only good at talking junk and not real statistics
rivera42
Lol, or it could be that you just plain ol’ hate the Yankees. Yeah, I think I’m going to go with that.
MurderersRow27
It didn’t matter if the Cubs had other (or better) infield prospects or not, their whole infield is under 25 and pretty much locked into their starting spots. What did matter, was that they had the best chance in 108 years to break a curse, so they dealt from an area of strength to bring in the most dominant closer they could 2 years ago. Everyone in MLB knows Torres is a top tier talent, but he was very young and expendable at the time. They got Chapman, who they rode to help them win the World Series.
bluegorilla
Have YOU looked at Baez’s stats? 103 OPS at 2B with that glove was good for 2.9 WAR (br) in 470 at bats. And there’s potentially more stick in there. Obviously you’re only good at talking junk and not real statistics.
bluegorilla
Have YOU looked at Baez’s numbers? 103 OPS with that glove was worth 2.9 bWAR in only 470 at bats. And potentially more stick could develop. Obviously you’re only good at talking junk and not real statistics.
vtadave
Yeah I mean 20-year-olds who put up a .863 OPS as a MI in Double-A are a dime a dozen right?
wrigleywannabe
Happ is a second baseman. THe last time I checked, that was middle infield,’ Yes, that is why they traded him, he was blocked,. Name the two prospects they could have, at that time, substituted.
southbeachbully
Why do fans act as if it’s the prospects team that write up all of these scouting reports and top 100 lists? At least on paper, Torres looks as if he SHOULD be able to adjust to the next level. He hit to a combines .863 OPS at AA/AAA as a 20 yo for he entire season. He just turned 21 Dec 7th which will probably make him the youngest player in AAA next spring. Add to the fact that he was a SS for most of his career then you can understand why he’s so heralded as a prospect even if he’s playing 2b or 3b.
fmj
cutch Harrison next
Begamin
If Yankees get Cole will they have a six-man rotation? They have too many viable options at SP and CC could probably benefit off not having to throw as many innings.
a1544
montgomery will need to limit innings. you need 8+ pitchers to last a season
southbeachbully
You think so? He pitched about 150 last year. Just by the nature of their bullpen usage he probably won’t be asked to pitch much more than 6 to 7 innings. That should keep him around 180 plus (hopefully) the playoffs.
davidcoonce74
Pretty much all teams are moving to a 6+ man rotation. Pitchers are just too valuable these days to be used for 250 innings as they used to. The Dodgers did this last year, running guys on and off the DL in order to keep them all fresh, and I think this is the direction the smart teams are moving in.
luclusciano
It would definitely benefit Tanaka as well
brewcrew08
I really wish the Brewers would get in on this. Trade a couple of your 7 top 100 prospects for Cole and Harrison.
em650r
In the same division not really sure if Pittsburgh would be good for it
hzt502
Same division makes it a bit sticky don’t you think? Even if purely in terms of clear need and having the prospects to get it done there’s a fit. Honestly I’d be more interested in that than cole to the yanks tho. People would go crazy here in pittsburgh and probably not in a good way, but making splashes! that’s FUN 😀
baseballmanak
NOOO plz not Adams, he could be better than Cole and he will be ready this year… trade some lower level SP
Joe Kerr
He was ready last year and they didn’t call him up for some reason even when they needed the help, now if they do trade for Cole and Adams isn’t involved they would have 6 in front of him. I don’t get why they won’t give Adams a shot.
koz16
There was no room on the 40 man roster last season. Yankees were already facing a 40 man crunch at the end of the season. That’s why they lost a handful of players in the Rule 5 draft.
MB923
Adams won’t be better than Cole
TheHammer16
Can you tell me the score for next years super bowl to??
MB923
I can confirm the team that wins will have more points.
southbeachbully
Cashman: “(sniff, sniff) Smell that”?
Hal: “What”
Cashman: “Blood in the water. Let me get the Pirates on the phone”.
Hal: “Hey see if they’ll take Ellsbury’s contract. Tell ’em we’ll eat half of it”
Cashman: “Hal…I said I smell their blood, not their dead rotting carcasses”.
TheHammer16
Haha no kidding. Moving ellsbury would be a dream that I don’t think will ever come true
GarryHarris
It is possible. Jacoby Ellsbury has 3 years at $21.143 M remaining. He could be moved for a group of contracts worth similar value.
Still, you would think the Yankees would’ve learned from Ellsbury’s contract before they acquired Giancarlo Stanton’s even larger contract. Both have a history of injury. They were doing so well with the “Baby Bomber” approach.
southbeachbully
Stanton and Ellsbury are not comparable. Ells was simply not worth $21 mil per. Stanton, one can argue, wasn’t worth a 13 year commitment. But no one will argue, I think, that Stanton isn’t worth $25 mil per.
As for the Yanks and the “Baby Bomber” approach, they have several everyday players 25 or under in Judge, Severino, Montgomery, Bird and Sanchez and a few key players a couple of years south of 30 in Gray, Tanaka, Didid, Stanton and Hicks.
On top of that they still have a top 3 farm team and have a bunch of guys from the 2016 and 2017 drafts that are starting to develop in A ball.
Perksy
Good point, that’s what I’ve been saying with Stanton acquisition from the beginning. Thought they would have learned.
Phillies2017
If you can get the reigning NL MVP for 2 high risk, high upside lottery ticket prospects and Starlin Castro, whose prospect replacement is waiting in the wings, you do it.
bosox90
Need to quickly sit back and enjoy the fact that Yankees are hampered by that Ellsbury contract. When they initially signed him from Boston it stung, but I reminded myself that contract would hurt them in a few years. Just need to let it all soak in now that it is.
Alright, back to reality, where I hate my job enough to be on MLBTR all day and the Yankees are once again favorites in the division. Merry Christmas everyone!
slider32
Cole for Frazier, Sheffield, and Estrada!
TheHammer16
Negative ghost rider
CursedRangers
That pattern is full
laynher15
Terrible idea.
southbeachbully
I used to like you. 🙁 <<<that's a 90's sad face emoji kids.
bencole
This might get it done. Bucs get Sheffield for Yankees not budging on Torres.
driftcat28 2
Too much
toptekjon
Agreed. If the Yankees were desperate, maybe, but they do not NEED Cole, and no way I trade 2 of my top prospects for a pitcher with a 4+ ERA. I trust Brian Cashman though, so I’m not worried.
michaelw
Let’s trade Trout too in 29 team block buster lol
Cuso
Yankees should just let it go. Hang on to Frazier.
sam 17
No place for him, unless he could play CF. Especially if they go after Harper next year.
driftcat28 2
He was originally a CF in the Indians system
Annihilus
People are missing the fact Clint Frazier was drafted by the Indians as a 3rd baseman. He then went on to play CF. Why not convert him back to his natural position!?! This guy sure showed he can hit when it’s needed. I think getting rid of him is a mistake. Especially for a HR prone pitcher like Cole going to Yankee stadium.
southbeachbully
I imagine he was moved for a reason. Yanks have Andujar who I think is severely under rated.
toptekjon
I think Frazier has the speed for CF, but he could also play LF. Gardner in CF, Stanton primary DH and also backup RF and LF. I’d love to see the yankees keep all remaining prospects and let it ride. The team is so good already, Cole does not make them much better.
toptekjon
Yankees seem to think their top remaining outfield prospect is Estevan Florial. Probably another reason they’re ok letting Frazier go.
luclusciano
Agreed
venom
Please no Harper. He’s a head case who’s hurt for two months every season! He’s gonna want 400 mill
CoreyMac784
If they can get Harrison in this deal too that would be ideal. 1 year left on that contract.
bernbabybern
1 year + 2 team option years.
bernbabybern
Could be Cole and Harrison, Yanks could use Harrison. Could involve anyone not Torres from the Yankees.
thetruth 2
We don’t need Harrison.
st1300b 2
Cole would be worth more at trade deadline as will Cutch.
floridapinstripes
not if he has another bad year
bencole
Cole should be, Cutch I’d be shocked. I know he rebounded last year but OF’s whose value is based on speed don’t age well.
13rwils
If Pirates are targeting Frazier who is out of the outfield? Marte, Polonco, and Meadows are already in place for when Cutch is gone
seamaholic 2
This. I don’t know why the Pirates would be especially interested in Frazier. Meadows is probably better and very similar in skillset.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Because the Pirates have no way of knowing whether…
A) Marte will be good without the juice.
B) Polanco will ever get his head out of his…or that his hamstrings will hold up.
C) That Meadows will pan out…or that his hamstrings will hold up.
D) Clint Frazier will match the NY hype. He’s proven little at the MLB level.
You’d hope that at least 3 of the 4 are good.
southbeachbully
I’m assuming that if they are considering trading Cole, who’s two years away from FA then they are looking at a rebuild/retooling. If that’s the case, then anyone with 3 years of service left is in play imo. Baseball is so forgiving of small market teams that choose to tear it down and rebuild. Cutch will be gone. Cole will be too. Only “safe” players that I can see making it to the end of 2018 in a Pirates uniform are probably Polanco, Taillon, Bell, Glasnow, Kuhl and Williams. I can even see the Pirates extend as many of these guys soon and try and build around their pitching and retool the rest of the team.
igotabooner
Just saw a major holdup in trade being moved forward is pirates want a package with gleyber as headline yanks want to package frazier as headline…. cash please just turn off your phone you don’t need to do this
TheHammer16
I don’t think we’d make that deal. 2 holes in the infield need to be filled now. Torres is an automatic fill this year
igotabooner
I don’t want frazier gone either I know Torres isn’t going anywhere I would love to see frazier and Adams get a shot in pinstripes I say sell high on hicks for some low level prospect and let gardy and ellsbury play cf while frazier Stanton and judge rotate corner not a big hicks fan anyhow
TheHammer16
Gardner is a FA next year to so keeping Frazier isn’t that bad
southbeachbully
Hicks is your best CF and your a championship caliber team.
Also, why would the Pirates want Hicks (assuming that’s what you were suggesting).?
DonnyBBall2021$
Gardner has reasonable option for 2019.
southbeachbully
How many ABs do you see Frazier getting backing up the corners? Also, who replaces Gardner as a FA? I mean the Yanks can bring him back of course but how much do you expect to squeeze out of a soon to be 35 yo CF? At least with Hicks we can have him for 2 more seasons and I think the Yanks should even consider signing him to an extension and buyout his two ARB years. Maybe a 3/$18 mil deal. By that time maybe Florial will be ready.
igotabooner
No I wasnt suggesting the pirates grab him I was saying in general sell high while he has some value I know we lose def with him gone it’s really boiling down to I would rather see him go over frazier… actually I would rather see ells go over all of them but we all know that’s not happening
southbeachbully
I would not be shocked if the Yanks declined his option but then offered him a longer deal to be the 4th OF and retire a Yankee. Something like 3/$21 mil and team options. Stanton was an unexpected opportunity that they had to pounce on. However, the consistent thinking was to get younger, more athletic and less expensive. Aaron Hicks checks all of those boxes. I think his 1st half was real and his nagging oblique injury hampered him in the 2nd half. However, he showed he can do two things consistently in his career and they were obvious to see in 2017. He can take a walk (10% walk career) and play great highlight reel caliber CF defense. The flash of power and hitting is what he’s showed in the minors and might finally be coming to fruition in the majors. No way do you trade him to accommodate a older and more expensive player. I want Gardner to stay but the cold truth is that Hicks is the CF of the near future.
mike156
You don’t empty yourself of top prospects–especially infield prospects–to get Cole. It’s not that he’s not good–he’s good and the Pirates have every right to ask a lot. But if you were going to make a multiple prospect trade, it should have been done before Rule 5 draft.
hzt502
Why? Honest question here
tank62
Id rather not include Adams in a cole trade. They can just promote Adams he’s got great stuff
MB923
I’d take Cole over Adams. But I’d also keep Gleybar over trading him for Cole. Frazier and Adams is fair. We shall see what happens.
toptekjon
Frazier and Adams?? Oh I sure hope not. 1 top guy, as long as it’s not Torres, and a lower level guy is fine. I really would not like sending 2 top prospects. Let’s not forget Cole had a 4+ ERA in the NL!
tank62
Exactly and gave up 31 bombs last year. The stadium will not be kind to him
BennyTheBoss
Get Cole and Harrison. Harrison has just one year left on his contract, so start him at second base and Torres at third base. When you sign Machado next season, let Harrison walk and move Torres to second base.
Cole and Harrison for Clint Frazier, Chance Adams, and a lower prospect or two.
swartnp7
Harrison also comes w/ two team options, which carries value. He isn’t exactly a throw-in.
floridapinstripes
Yanks need to move on to another pitcher and Pirates need to wake from this Torres dream.
ThePriceWasRight
cue the Frazier and Adams/Sheffield is too much talk from Yankee fans
llasasso93
I don’t get why yankee haters float this idea that we exaggerate our farm system..I mean we do have one of the best farm systems, that’s just facts.
ThePriceWasRight
it’s a good farm system sure but the team is getting a proven good pitcher not a hyped prospect who hasn’t proven anything at the major league level.
swartnp7
Which GMs get, but fans forget.
toptekjon
Proven 4+ ERA in the NL pitcher. Good, but he’s no Verlander/Kershaw/Sherzer.
southbeachbully
Umm…what do you think the Pirates are looking for other than young and hyped (by who) prospects. Let’s not act as if it’s the Yanks writing up these lists and scouting reports, or are BA and the rest only accurate about YOUR teams prospects?
swartnp7
His “proven 4+ ERA” was one year, so were his HR stats, not his overall.
So, if Yanks fans only want to use last yrs stats, Frazier sucks and struck out 1/3 of the time and Torres is injury prone.
outinleftfield
Maybe because you do? Frazier was a bust the past 2 years in the minors and in NY. He really has little trade value.
mattcubs
I think Cubs fans (me being a Cubs fan) did the same thing. It’s just that…having a load of top prospects is wonderful, but the chances of prospects living up to their hype isn’t always great. Of course it’s important to have a great farm system, but the way fans tend to value “prospects” over proven major league players is sometimes silly.
Cole has a career 3.50 ERA. The chances of one of the Yankees pitching prospects coming up and doing that over the span of 4-5 years is just not great. I think asking for Torres is quite reasonable. Cole had a down year last year but finished 4th in cy young voting a couple years back. Cole has already proven that he can be a dominant pitcher, whereas Torres has not proven anything yet. Obviously Torres has great potential, but if you look back at the top 100 prospect lists over the last 10 years you will see a lot of top prospects who too had great potential and never made it.
Not saying the Yankees should trade Torres for 2 years of Cole, but I don’t think it’s a totally unfair request.
YankeeMan3099
They are just jealous and haters and want to see us trade away our top prospects for above average players and then laugh that we traded away potential all stars, sorry but that’s not happening these people aren’t baseball fans they spend more time hating on our team and worrying about what were doing than they do on their own team if they even have a team to root for. Torres is not going anywhere get it through your thick skulls.
rocky7
On cue, thanks for yhe intro.
You’re absolutely right a 3 for 1 is tooooo much for Cole.
jerseyjohn
It is from our perspective. Your boy has talent and all of that but we’ve seen what Frazier did in his first go round last year and lots of us want to see him be our left fielder next year. The professionals will work this out, but I think it’s safe to say about 70% of Yankees fans don’t want Cole at the price that’s being floated. I’d rather sign Cobb or trade for Corbin. I’d love to flip some guys from the Wade, Cave, McKinney, Heller, level at Arizona and be done with all this Cole talk!
outinleftfield
LMFAO. Yeah right. He hit .230 after stinking it up in AAA for 2 years.
southbeachbully
I was writing a post earlier, accidentally closed the page and said forget about it. Why do cherry pick stats? You site his 2016 AAA bump where he had a .674 OPS in 101 AB and then ignore his 2017 AAA season where he had a .816 OPS in 273 AB. He had a tough call up to the majors at age 22.
Had a blazing first month in July where he had a .837 OPS in 25 games, went down with an oblique injury that limited him to just 45 ABs for the rest of August/September/October. You want to make a judgment of him being a bust? You’re short-sighted dude. Aaron Judge struggled during his first call-up to AAA in 2015 and in the majors in 2016. He made adjustments. We have to see what Frazier can do but his limited 100+ AB aren’t nearly enough to tarnish his status as a top 50 prospect at the start of 2017. If he wasn’t called up he would still be on every top 50 list.
swartnp7
By that same process, Yanks fans can quit saying Cole has a 4+ era and is hr prone. Both just one yr outliers.
southbeachbully
Not quite the same evaluation process at hand. I am by no means the biggest fan of Frazier but you can’t look at small sample sizes (108 AB with a DL stint due to an oblique injury sandwiched in between) and claim that Frazier is a bust or lost his shine.
Cole on the other hand had two full seasons of a body of work to look at. I refuse to look past 2016 because that was prior to his elbow issues. I think that Cole is a sold #2 which is great. He is NOT ace worthy right now.
The only caveat worth mentioning is that Cole is doing what he does at the highest level and Frazier, at this juncture, is more projection and expecting the talent to turn into quality production.
toptekjon
If Yankees want to do a 6 man rotation, let Sheffield and Adams battle it out. Or, use the best bullpen in baseball as your 6th starter.
edreed20
I hate the idea of giving up the better prospects we have left for him.
swartnp7
Huntingdon is getting trashed for asking for the same guy for 2 yrs of a top starter that Cashman was a genius for asking for 3 months of a top closer. And yes, I know AC was a stud. Just please quit thinking NH should roll over and settle because it’s Pittsburgh. He has every reason and right to ask for Torres, even if he eventually doesn’t get him.
rocky7
The title of the article is Pitt. Is motivated to move Cole.
If thats the case, he must be realistic in asking for value which currently he is not.
geejohnny
Torres and Adams should do it.
jerseyjohn
Cubs were over the barrel mid season trade and all. Also it’s not really the same guy, it’s the same guy 1.5 years later. He has only climbed the prospect rankings as he’s continued to thrive against older competition. Half the pro staff wanted to start LAST season with him at SS, so there is that.
outinleftfield
If you are talking about Frazier then you haven’t been paying attention.
Here is a link – baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=fra…
Frazier was terrible in 2016 and 2017.
bronxbombers
He’s talking gleyber
southbeachbully
I would start the deal off at Frazier and Albert Abreu if possible but would be willing to swap Abreu out for Chance Adams IF the Pirates were willing to throw in David Freese and a lower level prospect.with a high side. Most people want Harrison but imo I hate to trade for everyday players who are still relatively young and productive and then relegate them to a utility role. I don’t want to do anything to clog up 2b and 3b in 2018. I really want to see what Andujar and Torreyes can do. Freese is 34 and probably amicable to being more of a super-utility and can also be a backup at 1B should Bird or his AAA backup Tyler Austin suffer injuries. He should also be very easy to move at the trade deadline if Andujar force the Yanks hands. He’s only owed 1/$4.2 w/ a $6 mil 2019 option or $500k buyout.
I like Adams but the Yanks have pretty decent depth in starting pitchers @ AAA with Domingo Acevdeo, Justus Sheffield, Domingo German and Luis Cessa.
DonnyBBall2021$
Don’t do it Cash!!! Not worth it!! Corbin or Shark for Ellsburry+ or nothing hold the young arms. And Harrison is a bum!!
Polez
I say Frazier and Sheffield for Cole and Harrison
jonscriff
No shot you’re trading torres the number #1 prospect in baseball for GERRIT 4 ERA COLE
hersh0732
Torres is not the number prospect in all of baseball anymore by the way so maybe if you would pay attention to something other than the Yankees you would know…
bronxbombers
Sorry he is #2 behind Ohtani
BoldyMinnesota
He’s probably behind Acuna, Guerrero and at least a couple other guys by now too. He is on most of the evaluators I read at least
southbeachbully
Not many top 100 of 2018 lists are out but we can use these..
2017 BA mid-season- Moncada, Guerrero JR and Torres.
John Sickles Sept top 20: Had Torres ranked 8th but in his recent top 20 Yankee list he still had him rated as a grade A prospect which means elite.
Baseball prospectus 2017 mid-season moved him from 15 pre-season to #7.
The fact that he debuted at AAA at age 20 speaks volumes too imo.
Kemajic
We have 5 solid starters and two great prospects as well a Green, who could be stretched out to start. Cole stiffarmed us when we used our #1 to draft him; I say pass. Use our prospects, don’t trade them off in the old George S. mode.
joew
from the yankees side i wouldn’t trade torres for cole. mostly because i have a solid rotation already and torres’s upside looks nice.
from the pirates side I wouldn’t trade cole for any thing less than two top 100 prospects and some change with that change varying depending on the top 100’s
also from the pirates side, i wouldn’t want frazier even if i’m trading cutch, not with meadows probably making his way here after super-2 and frazier not doing alot (yet not bad but not great).
That leaves Adams, Sheffield, Florial and Andujar as the top 100 options.. i go with Andujar and then either Adams or Sheffield. Andujar fits an immediate need at third and pitching is always good.
‘change’ i like McKinney Sands and Then as options
that is if i HAD to do a trade, i wouldn’t consider trading cole right now personally, i feel the pirates window is still open.. maybe not a series push but winning team and getting a wild card, cole makes them a better team.. period.
southbeachbully
I think the Yanks have many more guys that have been or will be top 100 guys on upcoming lists. Billy McKinney has already appeared on BA top 100 and other lists. Albert Abreu made Baseball Prospectus last year and was an honorable mention on others. Domingo Acevedo, Domingo German, Thairo Estrada I think will make some lists and are all at AAA too. SP Freicer Perez, OF Isiah Gilliam and 2B Nick Solack I think will make some mid-season lists if not a pre-season list. Yanks have a lot of depth.
joew
Yeah i saw that about Billy, but if they’re going for someone like Sheffield and Andujar (bottom top 100 guys) then they’ll need some quality “change”
i really like the Sheffield and Andujar headline as it fills the pirates immediate need for third and gives them a Lefty option later that they need in a big way… if Torres is in fact off the table (probably should be from the yankee’s side) then thats what i’d be pushing.. its not a straight out sell by the pirates as they’re getting stuff they need for ’18 in return instead of just blanket talent
jimmyz
The Pirates shouldn’t be looking to fill immediate needs in a Gerrit Cole trade though, they should be looking to acquire the best collection of talent they can get. Trading Cole makes the 2018 Bucs decidedly worse, so why try to plug holes with the return and keep up the pretense of contending when you just got rid of your best starter?
outinleftfield
Here is the Yankees top 10 for 2018. 6 of them will make the top 100 according to prospect chat on Baseball America.
baseballamerica.com/minors/2018-new-york-yankees-t…
TheHammer16
Uh oh looks like I’m gonna get another sleepless night waiting for this to be done
Travis higgins
WKNR radio in Cleveland just stated Indians trying trade Salazar and Kipnis to the Yankees
thetruth 2
What would you want in return?
outinleftfield
I can see why the Pirates would balk at taking a kid that stunk in the AAA in 2016 and 2017 and then struggled when he was called up this season. Not a whole lot of value with the bat there.
icedog7229
As a Yankee fan, no thank you. Don’t want him, Pitt wants to much and he has a 4+ era in the NL. He will get eaten up in the AL east
outinleftfield
Cole has a 3.50 ERA for his career. One down season does not make him a 4 ERA pitcher. Do Yankee fans pay attention to anything but the Yankees? Because it sure makes a whole lot of you look really stupid when you post stuff like that.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
I’m not the biggest Cole fan but this is a guy who finished in the top 5 in Cy Young voting and who has 4 pitches that he can throw for strikes, including a 98 mph fastball that can hit 100.
He has a lot of value.
But, Yankees fans always trash the guy the team is looking at before the deal and then praise Cashman as a genius for getting them afterwards.
Yankeepatriot
Why does this site bash Yankee fans so much ?
Anyway people are worried that his numbers have been going downward for the last two seasons. His era and home run rate went up. Is it a bump in the road for a young starter or a start of a bad Trend
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Who is bashing? I’m simply describing what happens.
Go back and read what Yankees fans said about Sonny Gray before the deal. It’s almost verbatim to what they are now saying about Cole.
xabial
Do you guys troll anyone else but Yankee’ fans???
Chill guys. Cole had a down year and Yankee fans believe Frazier is legit.
Yankeepatriot
We can post legit statistics to back up our claims and opinion and still get down voted on this site. Every other mlb website I’ve been too has been filled with nothing but great mlb fans to talk baseball with. This one ? Tough crowd lol
vmmercan 2
Yawn. And go look at what people are saying about Frazier because of his cup of coffee in far less than a year. Or judge the year before that
southbeachbully
I like Cole but let’s not gloss over the blemishes. He missed time in 2016 from an elbow injury and while he recovered enough to pitch 200 innings in 2017 he had a 4.26 ERA and a 4.08 FIP.
His velocity is still very strong but any team acquiring him has to factor in his recent injury history and his HR tendencies.
driftcat28 2
May be in the minority but I don’t want Cole. His stats don’t translate to warranting the package the Pirates want to get. They’ll most likely get Frazier (which he alone I think is too much) plus a pitcher like Adams/Acevedo and another guy or too like Solak or something. Too much to pay. Pirates can keep him
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Once all the posturing is done, it will be something very close to Cole for Frazier, one of Adams/Sheffield/Montgomery and a lotto ticket prospect.
joew
if they don’t address the ‘immediate’ need at third/second/short in a Cole i’ll be upset and I hope Frazier isn’t included
outinleftfield
Frazier is a bust and Huntington shouldn’t accept him as a headliner.
driftcat28 2
Lmao how do you figure Frazier is a bust???
swartnp7
Probably Frazier, Sheff, and Solak.
I’m hoping Frazier, Andujar, and a pitcher.
If Torres is a no, and the Yanks move to Frazier, then the Bucs need to try and get Andujar included.
I’d also inquire about Cutch + minor league pitcher (Hinsz?) to CLE and try and pry away Mejia at C. That’d set the OF, 3B, and C.
Cervelli (and later Jordy) can be traded for bullpen or minor league arms.
ericl
I get the impression that the Pirates don’t want Frazier. So, if a deal is to get done, a different centerpiece will need to be found.
NuckBobFutting
Andujar, Adams and a 3rd piece
simschifan
They want Torres cause they think it will piss off the Cubs
NuckBobFutting
They want Torres because they need a SS or 3B
hiflew
My guess is that they want Torres because he is a great prospect and the Cubs are not even on their radar in this decision.
ericl
It is possible that the Pirates want Torres because they have no interest in Frazier. The Yankees could want him to be the centerpiece all they want, but if the Pirates don’t want Frazier that isn’t going to work. The question then becomes is there a way for the teams to get a deal done without Frazier or Torres? They would have to agree on a different prospect to be the centerpiece. Otherwise, the deal doesn’t get done. I can’t believe that the Yankees are the only team that has called on Cole. There has to be other teams interested. Maybe the Pirates need to talk to other teams some more and try to pry a top prospect from one of those teams. They shouldn’t give in to the Yankees just because the Yankees don’t want to give them what they want. I don’t blame the Yankees for not wanting to give up Torres, but that doesn’t mean the Pirates should just trade Cole there for a lesser package than they want. This isn’t a Stanton situation. Cole doesn’t have a full no-trade. They can trade him anywhere and don’t have to settle for a poor trade
jmi1950
Cashman needs to get a third team involved that values Frazier more than Pit. The Buc’s have Meadows, Marte and Polanco and need an IF prospect. They will not feel pressure over losing out on Frazier. This is like the REDS/WS deal a couple of yrs ago. The Reds didn’t like the prospects being offered so they got the LAD involved. Three prospects went from the WS to the LAD — 3 more prospects from the LAD to the the Reds and the deal was done.
bernbabybern
Andujar.
Gwynning's Anal Lover
The Yankees should be able to pull a Liriano deal here. Ellesbury, Torres, and Food Stamps for McCutchen, Cole, Meadows, and Harrison.
Bruin1012
Nice troll.
jmi1950
Any mention of Ells and the Bucs hang up period.
Gwynning's Anal Lover
But the Food Stamps will keep them on the line.
jtkuch
The Pirates likely aren’t getting Torres and Frazier doesn’t excite me as a centerpiece. I’d want to go with Sheffield + Andujar + a 3rd significant piece if I were Huntington and Torres was completely off the board.
jameyc
yanks hang the phone up.
Yankeepatriot
I’ve read that Montgomery, solak and Clint could be the Yankees package for cole. I like cole but am also weary of him. Either he is a great edition or could end up being home rub javy part 2
Adam6710
I am fine with Cole, I think he’s a very good pitcher who will make the Yankees better, I’m just not convinced he’s worth a huge package of top prospects. Clint and Solak and a low level prospect should be enough. Don’t throw in Montgomery, who’s already proven valuable (he was actually better than Cole last season).
Yankeepatriot
I hope that this trade does already or some other team swoops in and takes cole. I too like Monty a lot and him with Sheffield gives us 2 good young lefty’s for the future
ericl
The Yankees may want Frazier to be a part of the package, but if the Pirates don’t want him, it isn’t happening. The Pirates thus far have given the indication that they don’t want Frazier. If that remains the case, Frazier isn’t going to work as the centerpiece.
sfg415sfc
I’d rather watch Stepbrothers than watch Cole pitch. There was a time I’d choose him over Godfather.
Empire Exoticz
Stepbrothers makes me laugh, Cole HRs allowed won’t
InvalidUserID
Maybe it’s because I haven’t seen much of Cole but his numbers don’t jump out much other than 2015. Yankees shouldn’t part with any young pitchers.
Mario93
Stop trying to be cheap yankees.. give up Toress if you have to. You’re getting an ace caliber of pitcher.. stop trying to be cheap. Losers.
Yankeepatriot
He was an ace for ONE season. They don’t have to give up Torres, you just hope that they do
The Yankees don’t even need cole and I hope this trade dies. And the Yankees being losers ? LOL !!!!!!
billneftleberg
Don’t want cole he’s junk Hed Give Up 50 HRs in the AL.
912boy
Teheran for Frazier plus maybe a pitcher
i94jim
If the Pirates somehow get the Yankees to include Torres., which they probably won’t, but if… Tigers GM Al Avila should check in – Michael Fulmer, Jose Iglesias for Torres, Florian, Sheffield and an org top 30. Fulmer much more valuable than Cole at this point in time. More control. Iglesias fills Torres expected role for this year and they go after Manny next year
Yankeepatriot
So you want the Yankees to give the tigers practically all of their top prospects for fulmer ……
neworleanstaints
Fulmer has more control but from a talent and potential point of view – there’s no comparison. Cole can become a true ace. Fulmer, his ceiling is a good #2. But he definitely has value because of the control years but Cole is way more talented.
Yankeepatriot
Exactly. Comparing both potential trade scenarios you might as well trade for cole
GarryHarris
I would think the Tigers are going to keep Michael Fulmer a few more years. Nicholas Castellanos and Jordan Zimmermann are more likely to be traded at the deadline. The Tigers are motivated by reducing payroll. They are locked into six more years of Miguel Cabrera at $30M/yr, three more years of Jordan Zimmermann at $25M/yr and the salaries of Justin Verlander 2yr 8M/yr, Prince Fielder 3yr $6M/yr and Victor Martinez 1yr $18M. Prospects will do them little good until they reduce the payroll into something workable.
MB923
Watch this be a lose lose trade in the end
Frazier + Adams could very well be Melky and IPK
And Gerret Cole could very well be the next Javier Vazquez/AJ Burnett
Yankeepatriot
This possibility is exactly what’s scaring me, cole Turing into home run javy. I still see the bombs he gave up pass by my window daily
22222pete
I’m scared
mntfan
I don’t think so
Mario93
Yankees are a couple of injuries away from being irrelevant next season
TheHammer16
Them and every team in existence? Lol
GarryHarris
In truth, so is every team. The New York Yankees are pretty deep. They could lose both Stanton and Judge and still have four capable OF/DH. Texas, Boston, Baltimore and the New York Mets are already beginning the season with key players on the DL
jerseyjohn
Mario, you’re about 3 troll comments passed being taken seriously.
Mario93
lol
Empire Exoticz
Wishful thinking buddy.
Mario93
Thanks, I’m a blue jays fan lol
imindless
Chance adams and clint frazier and maybe a low a ball pitcher
Ichiro51
I hope we do not do this trade. Unless it’s Clint for Cole straight up. Cole has been declining. Our prospect are good. Our development of our prospects have been good. Just look at Judge, Sanchez, Severino, Montgomery and more. Why would not think that they would not pan out? I would give Chance Adam a shot if anything. But if not, trading Clint, that is in a organization that is developing their prospect with huge upside for a back end starter that has had two bad season in a row is fair.
antsmith7
I wouldn’t give up Torres for anyone unless it’s Mike Trout. Torres is going to be a superstar.
24TheKid
Shouldn’t all teams be full of superstars by now if every top prospect became a superstar?
Urbanshocker
That’s a good point there are no guarantees with young players who have no major league experience there also no guarantees with any players this picture I had an excellent year three years ago he said to pour years in a row he’s 27 that’s the good thing but like anything in life it’s a crapshoot a lot of times these kids don’t turn out great but if they do and you give them away it’s a pretty bad feeling I don’t mind trading young great kids for somebody great this picture is not great
imindless
Doubtful, look at the stats in the minors and he looks more like an addison russell/javier baez than corey seager/carlos correa. Chance adams and frazier are better gets in my eyes.
beard
Better hope the Cubs fans dont read this backhanded remark
yabos
2 years of Cole is not worth Torres. If the Yankees were to give up Torres it would be in a trade for Fulmer.
However, I do think a Cole to the Yankees trade will happen in the next couple of days. My guess would be something like Frazier, Montgomery and Abreu for Cole. I feel like this is slightly out of the Yankees comfort zone, but good enough where they get their guy and they get to keep Torres. It also is good enough to where the Pirates could be seen as “winners” in the trade which is what they seem to desperately want, even though I think it is pretty even.
This would give the Pirates a capable outfielder so they will have a replacement for McCutchen when they move him. Montgomery can be a solid 3-4 for them and Abreu is a solid pitching prospect. They still have decent options coming up in the minors at 2nd and short in Tucker, and Newman, so it is not like Torres is a need imo.
Urbanshocker
Fraser is an absolute stud young ball player with unlimited potential super fast that will be able to hit any pitch can sit on a curve ball will get better defensively the more he plays he is an absolute stud giving away Torres is a joke you’re talking about a number for picture maybe maybe a number three picture I know you have to give away something to get something but they have to come up with a different package than that you’re not talking about a great picture you’re talking about a pretty good picture or a good picture for some young studs total studs Yankees give them away sounds like the Yankees of old
Urbanshocker
I feel very strong about Fraser I know you have to give something to get something but to me Frasier is a star absolute store the kid has amazing that speed he’s fast he plays hard he’s going to be all ran really really good starting player I would not give him up for a number for picture again forgive my ridiculous spelling I talk into the microphone and I don’t have time to fix spelling and I don’t care
beard
I definitely would vote this as a win for the Pirates. No one knows what Frazier will turn into but is a solid lottery ticket. Montgomery though quietly had a very nice season last year and looks to be a legit middle of the rotation piece. Hes not flashy but he proved his stuff plays in the majors. 5 years of him is a better fit for the bucs than 2 years of Cole. Not sure if the Yankees are so quick to give him up.
rocky7
Don’t worry about wondering about Montgomery and how he’ll fit…..he isn’t going anywhere.
Cashman isn’t going to be fleeced by the Pirates. A fair trade is more like it and including Montgomery isn’t even close to being fair.
rocky7
no way Montgomery is going in a trade.
This would be addition of Cole by subtraction of Monty.
Urbanshocker
Please forgive my ridiculous spelling and grammar as I do not type I talk into the phone and I have a Bronx accent
beard
hahahaha, this made my night
EJesus98
I think all Yankee fans can agree Torres in any package is a no, but I personally believe Frazier is too much for a guy coming off two subpar seasons. Now Cole is not a bad pitcher and he’s not even average but there is uncertainty. You could get a 2015 season or a 2017 season. But while our prospects aren’t automatic HoFs, some have tremendous upside that I don’t want to give up for uncertainty. And if that uncertainty only needs to play like a 3rd, 4th, 5th starter than the package is too much automatically. And I personally like Adams and think his ceiling is high but I can let a player like that go since we have other good pitching prospects but I don’t want to lose Frazier. So why haven’t we heard Florial’s name thrown around? I could swallow losing Florial and Adams for uncertainty with a high ceiling. Thoughts?
HarveyD82
trade Cole. with that lineup he’ll get great run support. include jhey in the deal. Cole and jhey for some prospects and some hot dogs
Macfan01
Pirates want Torres for Cole so I looked up Cole numbers in the NL and ewww no thanks. Someone remarked he would be like Javy Vasquez or A.J. Burnett all over again in NY and I fully agree. His body of work in Pittsburgh simply does not warrant one of the best prospects in baseball. Yankees do not need Cole, let it go Cashman he is simply not worth it. Pirates can keep him. Give the young guys like Montgomery, Adams, Sheffield a chance over the season at the backend of the rotation. I want no part of Gerrit Cole.
Macfan01
Cole had one flash in the pan season a couple of seasons ago, then of course became hurt the following season and then was downright mediocre and an absolute HR machine last season. No wonder the Pirates are trying to eagerly sucker him off to the Yankees at the exhorbitant price of Torres.
Thankfully I can say with fair confidence that at least Cashman isn’t stupid enough to trade Gleyber Torres for Gerrit “freakin” Cole. George probably would have but Cashman ain’t no fool. Sure the Pirates can ask for Torres, but they darn sure aren’t getting him for Cole.
Timothy
Michael Fullmer!!!!! I think he is a lot better pitcher then Cole, team controlled for much longer and much cheaper. If the Yankees are going to give up top prospects, Fullmer is the guy, not Cole.
mlb1225
Plus Fulmer only had a .7 HR/9 rate. The lowest in the league, while Cole had one of the highest with 1.4 HR/9. When you play in a hitter friendly park, wouldn’t you want a guy who limits homeruns more than the guy who was homerun prone last year?
hzt502
Did you know Gerrit Cole has a career HR/9 of 0.8? Did you know it has never been above 0.7 outside of last? Have you ever actually seen him pitch or do you think you know everything there is to know about a player based on ONE stat you probably read on twitter two days ago?
I don’t claim to know if the hr problem (the main culprit for his less-than-good year) is just a weird outlier or a sign of things to come, but acting like is not, never has been and never will be capable of keeping it in the ballpark is dishonest.
joeyuno
Amen to that except we would have to give up a hall to get him. As big as the Sox did for Sale. I say hold onto the prospects and let Montgomery or Adams have that 5th spot. Sheffield is close too. And Gardner is gone in a year and Hicks in two. We may need Frazier and every executive wants him or Torres. What’s his upside? Better than Cole for 2yrs and a team friendly deal I would think.
Roasted DNA
Gee I’m sure Pirates season ticket holders may be looking at having a few extra bucks left after they ask for a refund for their tickets.
Baseball is in dire need of salary caps – both Max and Min.
This garbage of teams rebuilding by trading or selling all their studs is ridiculous. It’s the battle of large market teams.
Houston should just give up. Trade Correa to the Yankees and let DiDi play 2nd.
mlb1225
Still don’t think this is a good decision for The Yankees. Why pursue a homer prone pitcher, when your home stadium is hitter friendly? It’s just a recipe for disaster.
joeyuno
Am I the only Yankee fan that thinks that Cole doesn’t have the upside everyone else seems to think he has? It’s been two years since he was a front end starter and 31 long balls? What does that mean coming to the AL and Yankee stadium on top of that? I understand we have somewhat of a surplus of outfield talent but I would much rather us trade for someone like Archer who we know can pitch in the AL east. All I can really say is I certainly trust cashman and the trades he has made over the last few years going back to the steal of Didi from the D backs that no executive in baseball saw!
mlb1225
I think he has some upside, but not a much as people say. Having trouble keeping the ball in the park is one of the main factors that drove up his era. Trading him to a hitter friendly park, in the AL would only make it go up, or stay about the same.
Jamespfunk
Pirates need Torres in the deal for it to get done. They already have a good controllable Outfield with Marte, Polanco, and Meadows. I don’t see them making the deal without Torres in it, I guess if they get desperate anything is possible though. Cole would be a great add for the yanks too that move will help their rotation for the next few years. Once yanks add Machado next offseason they won’t think about Torres again.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Marte, Polanco, Meadows all have big question marks over them. And Frazier has proven almost nothing at the MLB level. Having all 4 gives them a better chance of having 3 that are worth playing.
rocky7
Torres isn’t happening for Cole.
yanks02026
Torres isn’t being traded for Cole. Torres could have been used in a trade for Chris sale and Cole is no Chris sale. Lol at pirate fans
yukongold
And Torres is no Moncada.
YankeeMan3099
Moncada is garbage he’s done nothing at the major league level if he was so damn good then how come the White Sox didnt’ use him all year at second base on a team that wasn’t going anywhere anyway? Torres has a lot more upside and value than Moncada sorry to burst your bubble but its the truth take the delusional blinders off for once and try to be a smart realistic baseball fan.
justin-turner overdrive
Moncada is literally better than any NYY INF including the overhyped Torres. You know absolutely less than nothing about baseball and need to never talk about it ever again. Like, damn, go read about other teams for once, the Yankees have 1 title in the last 17 years, they are a trash franchise who single handedly caused the trend of hyperspending on FA’s aka the worst thing to happen in baseball over the last 20 years.
Priggs89
You really don’t understand how baseball works, so you?
If you don’t understand why Moncada wasn’t in the big leagues all year, you need to do some research on service time.
Ken M.
Torres is a generational talent that will make Trout look like Ellsbury. People don’t understand how good this kid is. Bubbles will be burst left and right. Realistically, these people have no idea what they are talking about.
By July, the Dodgers will be throwing Kershaw and Seager to get him.
YankeeMan3099
You are talking about titles? Lol the Dodgers havent won a championship since 1988 lol who are you kidding? I know baseball more than you will ever know and thats a fact, bottom line is that Torres is better than Moncada you are saying he’s not because let me guess Torres is a Yankee otherwise if he was on any other team you would be gushing about how great he is lol please save it for someone else who actually cares what you have to say.
YankeeMan3099
Bottom line is Moncada isn’t as good as everyone makes him out to be lets see the numbers he puts up in a full season on the major level and then talk, I bet in a few years he will be released or traded by the White Sox and everyone will say really? Thought he was suppose to be good
YankeeMan3099
Or even for a Manny Machado I would trade Torres for but that’s contingent on Machado signing a long term extension immediately, for anyone who thinks us trading Torres for Cole is fair value is delusional and most likely Yankee haters the Pirates would definitely be getting the better end of the trade. Get this through your thick skulls Gleyber Torres is untouchable and will not be traded for Gerrit Cole this reminds me how all the same people kept saying we had to trade Torres in a deal for Sonny Gray LOL how did that work out for all of you? Again TORRES IS NOT BEING TRADED
imindless
He’s not that good. Lol, and he has already had tommy john. If the pirates are smart they go get chance adams/fraizer.
mlb1225
I still think The Pirates don’t really want to get rid of Cole, but if they are offered something really good, he would be traded.
ChiSoxCity
The Yankees never give up equal value in a trade—It’s not in their DNA. The prospects they do give up never amount to anything.
Caseys Partner
The entire time Robbie Cano was coming up through the Yankees farm they were unloading “prospects” constantly for MLB talent. None of those “prospects” became anything. The Yankees traded everyone except Cano.
CriminalMethod
Wasn’t Cano offered in the ARod deal, but the Rangers wanted a different prospect?
Solaris601
I’m surprised the Marlins haven’t gifted Castro back to the Yankees for a PTBNL yet. Maybe Jeter is waiting until Monday and making it a Christmas gift.
Caseys Partner
Starlin Castro is garbage, a Long Island Duck.
wkkortas
Hyperbole much?
justin-turner overdrive
You don’t know anything about baseball.
mlb1225
Why is everyone a Long Island Duck to you? I think a 300 batting average, 16 homers, and a 792 OPS would argue otherwise.
Caseys Partner
Starlin Castro is a loser. Everything he produces in his stats is done in garbage time.
Look at his postseason numbers. Not a small sample. He’s a loser.
simschifan
Sir, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
connolly26
lmffffao
YankeeMan3099
Yanks need to move on from Cole because the Pirates are not getting Torres in this deal sorry Cole had a terrible year. I’d rather see us go and sign Darvish and not trade away any of our prospects, the only guy worth trading Torres for is Manny Machado but that also would need to include him signing a long term extension right away otherwise no deal. I actually hope Cashman walks away from the Pirates because of their insane asking price which is fine they can ask what they want but they should know that then there will be no deal with us.
Android Dawesome
Its amazing how much Torres’ value skyrocketed just by becoming a Yankee.
YankeeMan3099
His value was always high even when he was in the Cubs system he just had no where to play in Chicago that’s why the Cubs were so willing to trade him, it has nothing to do with him being a Yankee the bottom line is that trading Torres for Cole is not happening I know it and you know it.
driftcat28 2
His value skyrocketed when he became the best prospect in baseball…
Cole is not worth it. Period. People who hate the Yankees are so comical. They would give anything to have a competent GM running their team who could do what Cashman has done for NY
seamaholic 2
He’s not the best prospect in baseball. That would be Acuna (and it kills me to say it because I hate the Braves).. He’s a good SS prospect who probably doesn’t stick there and owns a career minor league 776 OPS. He’s living on his age, which is only 21 so lots to dream on, but sometimes guys don’t actually get any better in their 20’s.
justin-turner overdrive
No, Ohtani is #1. 🙂
justin-turner overdrive
“His value skyrocketed when he became the best prospect in baseball…which was the same day he was traded to NY.”
Fixed it for you.
I can’t understand why big market fans can’t comprehend that by having more media coverage and saturation means your prospects are all overhyped just by design, in having more people cover and write more words about them. It’s a truth no one wants to believe but its so dumb to not believe: more media, more words about a player = more hype. It’s been happening for well over 10 years at this point.
justin-turner overdrive
The difference in value between Torres and Kapriellian from when they were not Yankees compared with when they were Yankees is staggering.
Col. Taylor
Hey! I got an idea, send him to the Yankees for next to nothing. – R.M.
Solaris601
With as many teams that are out there who need starting pitchers (BAL, MIN, TEX, SEA, SD, CHC, etc) there should be more than just the Yankees in on Cole.
driftcat28 2
Glad to hear these talks haven’t gained much momentum. Cole is not worth what the Pirates want (Torres) or what the Yankees would ultimately give up (Frazier + Adams/Acevedo/Andujar)
Giving up 31 HR, 4.26 era, 1.26 whip. No thanks. All this in the NL Central. Plus injury history. I’m all set.
YankeeMan3099
I agree I would rather see us sign Darvish and not have to trade any of the prospects and I think Darvish is a better pitcher than Cole.
driftcat28 2
I wouldn’t even go as far as signing Darvish. The Yankees got so far by letting the kids play last year and they can do so again with Adams and Sheffield. Let’s find out what they have before making deals.
simschifan
Well you will be upset now, it’s probably happening
driftcat28 2
Which one? Darvish or Cole?
I think Cole will eventually get done but reports now are saying it’s not close? Just gonna be a waste to get him when Monty is more than capable
justin-turner overdrive
Kind of stupid of the Yankees to pursue a SP, and its also disrespectful to Jordan Montgomery tbh. Pretty sure Cole switching from NL to AL would not put up better numbers than Montgomery would. JM had a great season last year, he had 3.0 bWAR and Gray had 2.7. At this point they’re just being greedy and good on the Pirates for telling them Gleyber or GTFO.
Yankeepatriot
It seems like the trade is being done without Torres so you are wrong, Pirates are caving in
justinept
If we could graph the optimism/pessimism in the Cole trade speculation this week, I’m guessing it would mirror the cryptocurrency market graphs. It’s all over the place.
Yankeepatriot
Oh man looks like red thunder is gone 🙁
Yankeepatriot
If Monty is being flipped that means they probably want to hold on to Adams and Sheffield. Cashman must think that Monty won’t be a long term piece. He has lived cole for years
Macfan01
Oh gawd, now Bowden is saying a deal is imminent. I hope Bowden is wrong per usual and if not I hope Cashman doesn’t give up a boatload for this guy. I’m not a fan of Gerrit Cole and don’t like him in Yankee Stadium. If they do deal for him and it costs us say Frazier, Montgomery, Adams, etc I’ll be disappointed in Cashman trading Montgomery a young lefty and Adams never getting a shot. I can live with Frazier being dealt, but don’t like it being for Gerrit Cole.
What is the love affair with Cole, he hasn’t been anything special in 2 years. Hate seeing that Montgomery a young lefty and Adams so good in the minors may be dealt without getting a shot for a mediocre, HR prone Cole. Don’t like this move from Cashman.
Yankeepatriot
My thinking is that cashman thinks that fraizer is expendable due to having florial in the system and he thinks that Sheffield will be better than Monty. It stinks that Adams wasn’t given a chance here if he is traded but on the other hand cole gives you 200 innings with ace potential as he has shown two years ago
In short this can either be a grate trade for the Yankees or a bad one, no in between
Macfan01
Very disappointed if it’s Montgomery as well, given Montgomery is a young, lefty starter who pitched very well in the AL East last season while Cole was mediocre in the NL central and was a HR piñata. I just don’t like Cole and think he is highly overrated, now bring him to the AL East Parks and he might give up more HR’s than last season and a mid to high 4 era. Yanks could do better than him, heck Monty and Adams will likely turn out to be better in the long run. A good young left handed starter is highly valued in baseball, wish Montgomery was here for the long haul to see if he was an Andy Petite type for years to come.
Yankeepatriot
YES A TRADE ISNT CLOSE !!!!! NOW CAN THIS TRADE DIE PLEEEEEEASE? !!!!
leprechaun
If they make that trade without Torres Huntington should be fired immediately
Macfan01
Dude Yankees are not trading Torres for a 4 run ERA, 30+ HR allowed starter. When both Torres and Frazier were traded they were dealt for arguably 2 of the top 3 relievers in all of baseball, Zach Britton being the other and the conditions were just right, Indians looking to win the World Series and Cubs looking to break a 106 year World Series drought, which they did. Both teams were going all in for the World Series and both made it when they pulled the trigger on dealing Frazier and Torres.
Harristotle69
Because he’ll have traded a 4.26 ERA pitcher with 2 years control for something different than a MLB ready 20 year old consensus top 3 prospect in baseball?
driftcat28 2
They’re not getting Torres, sheesh. Can we put that to rest yet?
benintendiimpersonator
Damn these troll twitter accounts… I read from google that a deal was done but it was just somebody impersonating Ken Rosenthal LOL my bro and I were going crazy since we are both die hard BoSox fans and met Clint Frazier before a game sometime during ST. We just want him out of The Bronx so he can be a part of a rebuild and win it in a few years + I don’t want to be wearing a Yankees shirt
Macfan01
Yes no deal. Thank you that Bowden was wrong as always. I want Montgomery and Adams to get a chance over the long term to see what they can do. Young left handed starters, Montgomery being one are highly valued and Adams was lights out in the minors. Pirates can keep mediocre, HR prone Cole and that was in the NL Central, imagine himpitchibg in the AL East.
driftcat28 2
I agree! Monty, Adams, then Sheffield
Paul Heyman
As a cardinals fan, if the pirates trade cole to the yanks I’ll miss him. One of the decent pitchers on the pirates. The other thing I’ll miss is him not pitching to the cubs in a playoff series.
Bob Knob
Chance Adams & Clint Frazier ?
If so — you did a great job Pittsburgh !
Hopefully, the NYY get something decent in addition to Cole……
ctguy
Chance Adams has been projected as a reliever in the majors. Clint Frazier has alot of potential but definitely needs discipline at the plate. Unfortunately they are both expendable for the Yankees. This is a great job by Cashman if it happens.
outinleftfield
Frazier will never be a Yankees starter and because he is expendable you somehow think he is a good player? Have you seen his stats? 2 seasons of stinking it up. Power never showed up.
Chance Adams is projected as a reliever or 4/5 starter.
How is that enough for Cole?
Harristotle69
I understand you have to give to get, but why exactly is Cole even worth a Frazier led package in this market? I question how much of Cole’s value is centered around his name value and talent rather than performance. Cole seems more like Eovaldi/Pineda type of value than Strasburg at this point in time. A package even centered around Adams seems like it’d be more fair than a package led around Gleybar, or even Frazier.
driftcat28 2
It’s basically the Pirates need to get a big name back? I don’t understand it either. Frazier should be able to get more back than just Cole, but for some reason it’s a foregone conclusion that he must go
outinleftfield
Yankee fans are really delusional. Frazier stunk for 2 years and you think that Frazier is enough? Frazier will never play for the Yankees, so he is a throwaway.
driftcat28 2
You stink
seamaholic 2
Ooo. Got him there.
Ken M.
Frazier and Montgomery.
Bob Knob
Steal for Pirates.
southbeachbully
I don’t see the Yanks adding Montgomery unless there’s a much bigger deal being done and the Pirates are sending more, and I don’t mean Harrison. It wouldn’t make sense to trade 5 years of Montgomery (two pre-arb years) for two years of Cole where he will be going thru arbitration and making at least $4 mil + , which granted, is nothing for the Yanks, but is 8x what Montgomery will make the next 2 years.
outinleftfield
Frazier is not an infielder, is not a great prospect and the Pirates have said absolutely no to Frazier.
Robertowannabe
So, from reading the article and all of the updates the deal is most definitely maybe almost sort of all put together and just about ready to fall miserably apart right before it is consummated. Experts all over the place so it is very fitting it is posted on a rumors page. It is fun and keeps ones mind off of the far more serious things that you would otherwise be worrying about. 🙂
yankeeinil
Yankee fans need to get off this notion that Frazier is the second coming. Sure, there’s a good chance he’s a good major league player at his peak, probably a .250 hitter with 30-ish home runs. So, basically the same as what Adam Duvall has produced the last two years, and I don’t think anyone would term Duvall indispensable.
The selective memory of the anti-Cole crowd is pretty funny as well. They all point out the 31 homers from last year while conveniently overlooking the low rates over the entire rest of his career. At worst he’d be a good No. 3 on the current staff, at best he challenges Severino for No. 1.
So yeah, Torres for two years of Cole would be a bad move. Frazier, Adams, Sheffield and Andujar – I wouldn’t lose sleep over any of those guys. The system would still be real deep even if two of them are gone.
rmullig2
If Cole is so valuable then how come no other teams are asking about him? Cashman has all of the leverage here. The Yankees can go into the season with the pitching they currently have and be fine. The Pirates will be stuck with an asset that is rapidly declining in value.
I say Frazier and a couple of lottery tickets and wait for the Pirates to cave.
Yankeepatriot
Cashman does have all the leverage indeed. We have 5 starters and can benefit by holding on to the prospects
michaelw
Good luck. The Yanks pitching is par at best
Yankeepatriot
We had the 5th best era in mlb last season and that was with a bad first half from Tanaka and only two months of Gray. People keep on spouting that the Yankees have no pitching is a myth
But please try again
michaelw
Whatever floats your ego. It didn’t help you beat an 11th ranked pitching team did it? But you go with old Wino CC and 4+ Era Grey and whoever the other guys are. Houston got stronger, and if they get that pen tightened up they will take the AL again. Now you can dance around with all your fantasys you want but your not fooling anyone here anyway.
southbeachbully
Yanks starters accumulated the 4th highest number of WAR in the AL behind the Indians, Red Sox and Astros. Is their concern for possible injuries (Sabathia, Gray and Tanaka) or regression among the kids (Severino and Montgomery) of course. But there’s also the same concern, at least for injuries, for Cole and his alarmingly high hr totals.
Both teams have leverage. Yanks are set with 5 starters already and have other possible trade targets. Pirates don’t have to trade Cole to the Yanks as I’m sure other teams are interested. It does seem the Yanks have the prospects the Pirates want. Let’s see if it happens and who goes where.
I just don’t see the Yanks including Torres, Andujar, Sheffield or Florial. That still leaves several really good arms that have graduated to AAA in Chance Adams, Domoningo Acevedo and Domingo German and some good position players in Tyler Wade, Nick Solack and Thairo Estrada.
Yankeepatriot
Injuries are always a concern in sports in general. You can never predict them. Look at Stanton getting hit on the head for example. He would have had a healthy full season if it wasn’t for that
I don’t want this trade to happen to be honest
driftcat28 2
Lol 5th best in ERA and did a great job to the ALCS
Robertowannabe
Other teams have been in the mix. The Yankees are involved so of course being the Yankees, they get all the attention. Just like when Ohtani was being posted, everyone had him fitted for a Yankees uniform before the bidding started. Still were experts reporting that he was going to sign with the Yanks even when he did not include them in his final 7. There are others bidding, that is why the Yanks are offering what they are offering and that is why the Pirates are holding out.
Yankeepatriot
If other teams were talking about cole though at least one of them would have been outed by now I would think
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Astros, Phillies, Twins, Braves are some of the teams linked to Cole in the past month. Brewers asked, as well.
The Yankees have all the pressure, too. Their World Series hopes rests on Tanaka’s UCL, Sabathia’s knee and Severino not taking a step back.
Absolutely nothing is expected of the Pirates and starting pitching tends to be in demand at the trade deadline.
It works both ways.
Yankeepatriot
A friend of mine suggested Adams, fraizer, and betances for cole and rivero
What would people think of that if it was floated around ?
ronnsnow
Pirates will not trade Rivero, Bell, or Taillon in any deal. Those 3 are untouchable.
Yankeepatriot
I agree but if they want to speed up that rebuild they can get a ton for rivero if he replicates last season. Look at what miller and Chapman got
Robertowannabe
If the Bucs throw in Rivero, they will want a bunch more than Adams, Frazier and Betances. They will get a ton more for Rivero if he does replicate the season.
swartnp7
Love that Yanks fans view Rivero as an add-on/throw-in.
Priggs89
Not sure how you got that he was a throw-in based on that proposal. The OP also added Betances from the Yankees side, so the only way Rivero would be considered just a “throw-in” is if you also consider Betances just a throw-in…
Robertowannabe
Well the proposal was Rivero for Betances straight up assuming the rest of the deal was for Cole.. That would never happen. Rivero is now an elite closer. with 2 more years of control that Betances who is now looked upon as a setup man. No way should the Pirates do that deal.
ctguy
Yankees won’t trade Torres. He is untouchable
southbeachbully
If the Pirates are starting a rebuild then I don’t think Betances would appeal to him unless they want to flip him for more prospects.
Yankeepatriot
Don’t have to trade him to the Yankees per say but to any team in general. He can help get a lot for their future
retire21
Not nearly enough if Rivero is involved.
tbonenats
Rivero is so young, cheap, controllable and awesome that to get him and Cole the Yankees would have to 100% trade Torres plus 2 more of their top 7 or 8 prospects.
Matt Rox
Why bother citing Jim Bowden? The guy is wrong more often than right.
streicher187
Cole for 8 million dollars in payroll relief is the real trade..
Matt Nokes
As a Yankees fan, I don’t want anything to do with Gerrit Cole even if he were for free, They would have to take Ellsbury for me to want the deal. He is not good and will get destroyed in the AL East,
seamaholic 2
When did you miss the AL East sucking? It’s now one of the worst divisions in baseball (especially if you’re on the Yankees, so you don’t have to pitch against them).
Dicka24
I think Cole is fairly overrated. To me, he has regressed somewhat, or at the very least, has sort of stagnated. I remember Peter Gammons soiling his Depends when the Yanks drafted him (he didn’t sign and went to UCLA instead), and ended up as the #1 overall pick. I thought this kid is going to be a stud. He’s pitching in as pitcher friendly a park as there is, in the NL to boot, and he’s a 4 era guy who is terribly inconsistent. I think he has a plus arm, but I’m not sure he’s a plus pitcher. Moving to the AL East, and Yankee Stadium, is probably not going to help him either. While I’d love to take a flyer, if I’m the Yankees I’d guard against paying a hefty price. Frazier + might actually be paying a premium. The Yanks would be paying for Cole’s ceiling, as opposed to his expected performance. Pitt wants and needs to get top talent, I understand that. I just think if I’m the Yankees I’m not giving up Frazier and more for 2 years of someone as inconsistent as Cole. I’d rather shop the bargain bin and throw varying degrees of money at 1 year stop / depth pieces like John Lackey, Brett Anderson, Miguel Gonzalez, Jason Vargas, Tillman, Garza, etc. Perfect world I know, you’d rather Cole, but at the potential prospect cost + potential mediocre level of performance, one of the named retreads could provide adequate insurance and depth at a Luxury Tax and prospect saving price.
outinleftfield
No. On all of it.
espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor/_/sort/hitsFactor
The only stat that was worse for Cole was HR. It was for everyone.
si.com/mlb/2017/09/20/major-league-baseball-single…
Cole gave up less hits/9, struck out more, and walked less than in 2016, and took the ball for 33 starts. He is 27 years old.
bronxbombers
His 2016 he put up a 3.88 era this year it was 4.26. This year Jordan Montgomery put up a 3.88 ERA as well and he is slated to be our 5th starter. Please tell me why the Yankees would give up elite prospects for Garrett cole who had 1 elite year 3 years ago and besides than has been an okay/ good but not elite level pitcher. Elite pitchers = elite prospects good/above average pitchers pitchers get the next tier down.
outinleftfield
Well. Cole won’t be a Yankee. Pirates are firm. They want a top infield prospect that is MLB ready so Torres will headline the deal or it won’t happen. The Yankees don’t even want to give up a good prospect. No, Frazier is not a good prospect.
driftcat28 2
Okay that’s enough from you now. You lost all credibility after “Frazier is not a good prospect”.
Thanks!
seamaholic 2
He’s a “good” prospect, not a great one. He’s lost a lot of shine in the past couple years and is probably now more of a 4th OF type, maybe with some projection left. Very unlikely to be a star of any sort. Never really hit like people thought he would, and he’ll turn 24 this year.
southbeachbully
What shine has he lost? He was ranked as a top 50 prospect across the board in 2017. He did NOTHING to lose luster except have over 100 AB last year and lose his rookie status. Had he not been called up he would still be a top 50-60 prospect.
I’m not the biggest Frazier fan but if you don’t like him fine. No need to go crazy. He tore things up to the tune of a .850 OPS his first month, had an oblique injury and only played about 25 games for the last 3 months of the year. And he doesn’t turn 24 until Sept 2018!!!
ctguy
Cole is not an ace. Pirates can keep him. Yankees will find another pitcher & keep Torres.
YankeeMan3099
Exactly meanwhile I would take Darvish over Cole and to be perfectly honest and fair Alex Cobb and Gerrit Cole are similar pitchers, Yanks can sign Alex Cobb and not trade prospects away.
michaelw
Yep you can. You can also pay his $175 Million dollar salary too. Yank fans crack me up. Good thing they don’t run the club. No ones taking that over paid CF from you so you might as well get over it. They are strattling the Lux cap now. Good luck on signing Darvish haha. Problem with you Yank fans is you want want want and want to give up garbage. Yet you think your prospects are the next coming of Christ. Your players are worth 5 or 6 players and top notch prospects but any other team they are garbage, Then when a player doesn’t sign with the Yanks he not worth it, he garbage, he over rated. I watch the Sonny Grey trade. And when there was a time he wasn’t going to the Yanks then the tune switched he was over rated, +4 ERA, not worth it, glad he not coming there. Then the deal made and the tune switches again. Get over your ego’s and yourselves. Your not all that neither are the players. Personally if I were the other 29 MLB teams I make you buy every player, which you can’t. One day reality will set into those little brains of you guys. I’m not hating I’m being serious.
YankeeMan3099
Keep hating we as Yankee fans absolutely love it we don’t want other teams and fans to like us kind of how it was in 2017 it doesnt make it fun when its that way. Trust me we love being hated it makes it all that much better when we do win so then we can be hated on even more. Please explain to me how Gerrit Cole who went 12-12 started 33 games gave up 31 home runs and had a ERA of 4.26 also will be a FA in 2 years his agent is Scott Boras worth Gleyber Torres who is rated as a top prospect? Yanks would be getting robbed blind if he was traded for Cole and then all you haters would then come out of the woodwork and say how much Cole sucks and give all the numbers I just gave you and laugh and say how the Yankees got robbed and lost the trade, sorry not happening I personally don’t want Cole he had 1 good year which was 2015 you value and pay for a guy on what he’s done recently not 2 years ago. Get a brain in your head and then come back and talk like a real knowledgeable baseball fan not with a moronic mentality..
Caseys Partner
Have you ever been to New York? Not just the city but the suburbs. That’s how those animals are.
YankeeMan3099
Hows that broken down David Price working out for you? Your pathetic team is still paying fat boy Sandoval to sit home and eat twinkies LOL
southbeachbully
How about we (Yanks fans) are going by what the professionals are saying. Yankee execs aren’t the ones writing the scouting reports or placing guys on top 100 lists.
I can never understand why fans of either side need to denounce the players involved. If the Pirates are asking too much then we walk away. No harm done.
If the Pirates value him as an ace then put your money where your mouth is. They should hold on to him, see if he’ll pitch like an ace and then get your bounty of prospects. But if he continues to struggle then you get less than what we offered now.
YankeeMan3099
Yeah exactly the Pirates want the Yanks to pay for his 2015 performance and that’s not how this works its whats hes done lately not 2 years ago, I have no problem with Cashman walking away right now and exploring other pitching options he’s not going to overpay for a guy who was average at best last year it just simply won’t happen. If the Pirates think they can find a better deal than what we are offering than good luck but it doesn’t sound as if there are other teams interested therefor the Pirates have absolutely no leverage with the Yankees.
lord vincent
So we are back to the other teams just serving as training ground for the Evil Empire.
rogerwilco
At what point do we stop taking Jim Bowden seriously? The guy never seems to be right when he starts a rumor.
southbeachbully
I always wondered what xmas egg nog would taste if spiked with Absinthe. Thank you. I’ll pass.
Yankeepatriot
No offense but what kind of clusterf*ck unbalanced trade is this ?
DiggerTim
Could the Astros thrown in on him- for all the same reasons they’ve been linked to Darvish and Archer, but maybe at less dollars or prospect cost?
Macfan01
So far on the Yankees forums, most fans want nothing to do with Gerrit Cole and would be more than happy for the rumors to just go away already. The way this is being talked about you would think Cole is Kershaw or something, dude was mediocre last season and he is not the type of pitcher a team looks at and says, this guy puts us over the top. Personally I don’t even know why Cashman is bothering with him
Yankees are better for now and the future in allowing the young left hander Montgomery to develop as the 5th starter, along with giving Adams, Sheffield a chance. Gerrit Cole does not make or break the 2018 Yankees, far from it. More important for the Yankees is the continued progression of Severino into an ace, given he is only 24 next season, the bounce back of Tanaka from a disappointing 2017, Sonny Gray having a full season in New York, Sabathia continuing to turn in solid performances as he did in 2017 and Montgomery’s development continuing. So I say Gerrit Who? Please.
Macfan01
I mean where are all these top teams throwing their prized prospects at the Pirates for this stud Cole. Shouldn’t teams be lined up around the block for him if he is worthy of the cream of the crop prospects of teams farm system. So where are all the takers. Surely the Astros, Cubs, Dodgers, etc should be lining up ready to give up their top prospect of their system for Cole “the man, the myth, they legend”. Dude is just a typical hyped up name that has had 1 dominant big league season at age 27. Reminds me of kind of Matt Harvey in a way. The name hype doesn’t match the actual on field performance any longer.
Robertowannabe
Other teams have been talking with the Pirates. Just like when Ohtani was posted, the only team you heard news about was the Yankees. Even when Ohtani eliminated the Yankees, the media experts and insiders all still claimed he was going to the Yankees and were ignoring the other teams. Just a note, the Pirates would take a lesser deal than deal him to the Cubs.
Macfan01
In this case it would actually make much more sense for the Pirates to want it be known more teams are involved in the trade talks in order to try and drive up the price if Cole was such a hot commodity.
This is different situation in that Otani was an international free agent and the media always speculate about every free agent going to New York, even when there is not much there at all. It comes with the territory. Kind of like how they will inevitably talk about Bryce Harper going to New York even if the Yankeees are not involved.
Macfan01
Why shouldn’t the Yankees value their prospects and who they are getting for them. Its only smart to do that if you want to succeed. We can’t just conveniently ignore that the Yankees system has over recent seasons produced impact players like.
Judge
Sanchez
Severino
Betances
Any major league team right now would take each of those guys on their roster. And having a solid young core is how teams succeed and that is what the Yankees have been working towards and it is bearing fruit..
Montgomery who had a decent rookie season also came up in the system.
They have been able to use their farm, when they traded Shane Green away as part of a 3 team deal to get Didi Gregorious a few seasons ago from the D’Backs. Gregorious is now a key part of their team and in his prime years. So its not like the Yankees system has not been producing impact players since they committed to building a core of young players ala the dynasty teams that had Jeter, Posada, Petite, Bernie, Rivera.
So when the Yankee fans see the system producing solid, impactful, major league players of course fans will value them highly . This is not the old style of doing things under George of prospects be darned. This is a different Yankees way of doing things or else they would have just continued chasing free agents and not developing a young core as they have done.
Fans want to see what Torres, Frazier, Andujar, Sheffield, etc can do and if they can be as successful as Judge, Sanchez, Severino, Betances. Gerrit Cole is just not top of the rotation good enough to warrant the best prospects of a team’s system. If he was other teams would have been in on it by now and overwhelming the Pirates. Pitching is always at a premium in the game so he should have been gobbled up by now by another club with top prospects the Pirates want. So what’s the delay. Exactly!
HarveyD82
gonna guess he gets traded after Christmas. Yankees or Giants. he’s a California guy, so why not go back home. would the Dodgers want to boost their rotation?
angels? Padres?
Yankeepatriot
The giants have absolutely nothing left in their farm after the Longoria Trade
Phoenixdownyjr
In Gerrit Cole’s 782.1 professional innings he has a .8/9HR rate (.6/9 before ’17 season) and gave up 31 of his 67 career homeruns given up in the most recent season. I’d like to see him Excell in a large cavernous ballpark. Just my two cents on the matter because his periferals we’re right in line with career numbers.
Nick W
If the price is right why not just bring back Garcia and have Adams and Sheffield waiting?
jmi1950
Because the NYY need a quality SP for the playoffs against the good teams — Hou, Cle, Bos, LAA, LAD,Cubs Wash or this yrs mystery team.
Macho King OG
The Yankee system is loaded with talent. The obvious reality is that not every prospect will pan out or make it with the team. To be a position player coming up for the Yankees, you need to have a power bat and make an almost immediate impact on the roster to stick. Pitchers have a little more leeway, but just to be clear the Yankees aren’t in the business of waiting five years for prospects to come into their own. They come up and produce, or get traded. That’s what the New York Market dictates, a rebuild on the fly.. That is why Hal
and Cashman are succeeding, and the Wilpons failing in NY.
jmi1950
The reason the Mets are failing is their owners invested with Maddoff. Since the Lux Tax system began 15 yrs ago, the NYY have averaged spending 100MM per yr more than the Mets including 335MM in Lux Tax Penalties. Each team has been to one WS. The NYY have made many bad contract mistakes but they were able to throw more $$$$ to try and fix the problem. By comparison even the “big spending” Red Sox have only paid 25.1 MM in Lux Tax penalties and won 3 WS. Right now the NYY are expected to succeed over the next 5 yrs but so are the Cubs, LAD, Astros and Cleve.
Before you annoint the current NYY mangement team let’s see them actually win a couple of titles.
Caseys Partner
Bernie Maddoff never had any financial interest in the Mets. Mets fans and other MLB fans have zero obligation to anyone involved with the Bernie Maddoff fraud.
jmi1950
The Wilpons lost 500MM in the fraud. See: The Mets and Bernie Maddoff article by Thomas Kearney. It comes up if you goggle “Wilpon Madoff”.
Caseys Partner
I don’t know if the Wilpons lost any money investing with Maddoff nor do I care.
If the owner of a local car dealership loses his investments is it required by law that his customers sell their cars and give him the money?
jmi1950
No, but if that dealership ends up in BK those customers may find that promises of free service when they bought the car will no longer be honored. In the case of Mets fans that lack of $$$ has hurt the product on the field. The Wilpons had to borrow 430MM against the METS and according to Sandy Alderson the effect on all aspects of the Mets operation has been severe.
Caseys Partner
Trump offered to buy the Mets. Many others did so in private. MLB and the Crime Families like how the Mets are being run.
Frank McCourt owned the Dodgers for eight years. The Dodgers made the playoffs four of those years and when forced out McCourt left behind a playoff team with one of the best farm systems in MLB.
BSPORT
WHY NOT GIVE CHANCE A CHANCE CASHMAN? Save the prospects