With no sufficient bid emerging, the Orioles are now indicating to interested organizations that star third baseman Manny Machado “is staying put,” according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (Twitter links). That could yet change if a big new offer comes in the door, but it seems that Baltimore will no longer actively shop the pending free agent.
On the one hand, then, this news isn’t that impactful. The club had indicated it was nearing the quitting point on active trade talks after prior reports made clear that the team would move on to other plans if its needs weren’t met. Teams that want to land the youthful star know they need to come with a significant package of talent to get something done. Baltimore has expressed a need to get back two quality, controllable starters to make a deal, and Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com’s report from this morning suggests the asking price remains the same.
On the other, it’s an important moment for the O’s offseason strategy. With Zach Britton’s Achilles injury also seemingly taking the club’s best relievers (Britton and Brad Brach) out of trade consideration, it seems the organization will largely maintain its existing core and go out looking to add starters in other ways. With at least two rotation pieces still on the wish list, and no interest in chasing the market for the best-available arms, the Orioles front office will need to work hard to find value.
That said, the rotation market has not moved much at all to this point, so there are plenty of options still out there. Whether or not the slow free agent action will lead to any particular number of bargains remains to be seen, but executive VP of baseball operations Dan Duquette is certainly no stranger to waiting out late opportunities.
Barring a big change in the interest levels from other teams, Machado will evidently play out his original control rights in Baltimore before reaching free agency after the 2018 season. The sides will still need to work out a final-season salary — MLBTR projects a hefty $17.3MM arbitration pay-out — but there’s little reason to think at this point that an extension will realistically be considered.
Still, it’s wise not to rule things out so long as there’s still work to be done in the winter. An extension or trade would surprise at this point, but both are hypothetically just as plausible as ever.
Interestingly, should trade talks get moving again, Kubatko notes that the Cubs and Orioles discussed a variety of notable names. While there’s no reason to think all three Chicago players would have been included in the same deal, Addison Russell, Albert Almora, and Mike Montgomery all came up in chatter.
trace
Orioles gonna Orioles
wadewar
worse franchise in major league baseball am ashamed of being a fan of the Orioles
Luis Jimenez
Did the Marlins disappear or something?
driftcat28 2
Miami finally has a real ownership who are tying to clean up the mess left behind from the last one. Those contracts were detrimental. Only way to build something is tear what was there before down. The Marlins will be fine in a few years
davbee
Miami has won 2 World Series in the last 20 years. Pick on someone else.
justinept
Look it sucks when your team trades it’s best player for an average player and two fringe prospects, but the reality is that they had to deal Stanton and his contract was such that only a few teams could even absorb it into their payroll. That lowered his value significantly.
While some might say the Marlins didn’t have to deal Stanton, in curious why they feel that way. They’re a small market team. And while they have a few really good young players (Realmuto, Yelich), they don’t have nearly enough to compete next year (even if they’d kept Ozuna and Gordon) without adding payroll. Stantons deal prohibited that.
Additionally, their farm isn’t good enough shape right now to realistically produce top end talent in a timeline that would’ve gotten them to the big leagues before guys like Ozuna, Yelich, Realmuto, and Gordon would’ve hit free agency. And again, with Stantons deal on the books, they wouldn’t have been able to add the necessary payroll to re-sign those guys. Basically, even if they’d kept Stanton and started to really build their farm, by the time it started bearing fruit, the prospects would really just be replacing good players who left for more money – and the Marlins would be in the exact same spot. Really – the only way it could possibly work with Stanton is to build a farm system similar what the Expos had in the 80s. How likely is that?
wrigleyhawkeye
You suck— get this crap off here
adkuchan
Miami would likely have been in contention if the Fernandez tragedy didn’t happen. The construction of the team would have made sense. You just can’t replace a guy of that caliber on the fly. They need to reset.
timyanks
wrigley said while bending over…
mehs
October 1997 is over 20 years ago.
notsofast
Wow! Are you delusional or an MLB owner’s shill? They paid 1.2B for that do nothing small market team yet couldn’t keep valued human beings, in the prime of their professional life, as part of that equation.
Baseball really is a reflection of our current social/economic system. That is so sad… Profit over people! When will we ever wake up?
wrigleywannabe
You now the money that valued human being demanded, salary wise, is part o the “problem”, right?
tdaly
Well said
timyanks
wrigley has a good point, even if he was bent over
realgone2
Miami says hello
ChiSoxCity
Miami has two championships in recent memory.
Kslaw
If the Mets are tied with them, then they aren’t far behind.
realgone2
2003 was 14 years ago
dutch91701
At least Miami knows where the eject button is. Maybe they hit it early but much better than just letting talent walk.
WeggieJackson44
Not bad for the most bipolar franchise in the history of sports!
justinept
Has Baltimore won since 2003? How about since 1997?
Since the Marlins last title, here are the teams that have won the WS:
BoSox, White Sox, Cardinals, Phillies, Yankees, Giants, Royals, Cubs, Astros.
More than 2/3 of the league has a longer WS drought.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Red Sox 3 times
Giants 3 times
Cardinals twice.
Everyone else once.
southbeachbully
Why? If the offers they’re getting aren’t acceptable AND if they are holding out hopes they have a shot of resigning him as a FA then why trade him for a bad package and then have to endure the second guessing and bad feelings from the fans.
Now if they DON’T feel like they can sign him as a FA then they need to move him. They can still wait until mid-season to move him. The Reds were impatient with Chapman and they received a poor return. Yanks flipped him at the deadline and got a top 5 prospect and more.
The needs of contenders will determine the market for Machado. If the ask is within reason and the offers too low then I wouldn’t be afraid to shop him thru the start of the season until the deadline.
outinleftfield
The Orioles won’t sign anyone that is any good. Angelos has shown over and over that he won’t allow Duke to be the GM and do what would make the team better long term. No IFA signings at all. No top pitching FA. Resign guys like Davis to ridiculous contracts. The O’s problem starts and ends at the top.
With limited payroll because of big contracts to underperforming players and a bad farm system, the only way the O’s can be relevant again is to trade away Machado, Brach, and Jones to restock. Hopefully, Duke would be allowed to also trade Trumbo and anyone else that isn’t under team control for at least 4 years. The O’s are not going to compete before then.
saintchristafa
Adam Jones: “I need some help in the OF, can y’all sign Lorenzo Cain, or Jarrod Dyson?”
Orioles front office: “Hmmmmm. How about (another below average corner OF)”
justinept
Reds were impatient with Chapman mainly because there was fear he’d be suspended for the entire year … They were thrilled to even get an offer at a time when Chapman’s future was in limbo due to his domestic violence incident.
cky7
It’s tough to compare Chapman’s trades to a potential Machado trade; Reds had a PR crisis with Chapman and chose to dump him. NYY got a king’s ransom when they flipped Chapman because there was a market for elite closers at the deadline, and the Cubs were overflowing with prospects.
I agree that Baltimore should continue to shop Machado, just don’t hold onto him any longer than necessary. NYY refused to trade Robinson Cano during a down year and ended up missing the playoffs and failing to add to their farm system.
Wesly Marshall
Real Orioles fans don’t talk about their team that way. We have actually found some success since 2012. I don’t necessarily agree with everything they’re doing now either. Try not to be so negative.
venom
Seriously how could you not give a team at 72 are wilndow to negotiate an extension? Nobody is going to give you top prospects for a guy for one year Angelos is stupid And is going to kill your franchise and this is coming from a Yankee fan
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Because it would be pointless. Machado isn’t taking an extension.
Mattimeo09
If it’s pointless then Angelos should offer it to increase the return.
I’d guess that the reason they aren’t offering it is because they think someone could extend him and make Baltimore look even worse
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
No they aren’t offering it because they know no one is going to be able to extend him so giving them a negotiation window would just be wasting everybody’s time.
tjritter79
Followers of Tampa Bay, Miami & San Diego would disagree. Wasn’t it two years ago half the Padres roster changed teams in a week?
joeyuno
I certainly get not sending him to the Yankees and as a Yankees fan why would we pay any price for a guy we can sign for only money rather than any prospects? But why the heck would the orioles just let the guy walk? You think they would learn after the terrible Chris Davis contract and bidding against themselves and never pulling the trigger on a Britton trade and now the injury. Trade the guy anywhere for prospects at this point. With the moves the angels made and the even tougher AL east, everyone is shooting for the second wild card slot at this point.
Houston We Have A Solution
Stupid decision. Orioles need to trade anything they can for close to mlb or mlb ready assets to retool, esp pitching..
Machado, Brach, Jones, Schoop.
Joe Kerr
Yes if they stay true to their word they will instead receive a draft pick that might help them in 4 years. smh
Solaris601
Yep. I heard Duquette talking up that draft pick a couple days ago. If this organization is gonna put all their chips on a maybe (we have no idea who or what that player MIGHT be), then they deserve what they get. Angelos is scared to death Machado will end up with the Yankees, so just to make sure than doesn’t happen this year, he’s gonna keep him even if that decision is detrimental to the organization. If Machado gets injured early in the season, that bright shining draft pick will be their only option.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Keeping Machado in the org for a year isn’t going to stop the Yankees from getting him. One year from now he’ll be a free agent, the Yankees can sign him if they want and there is NOTHING Angelos can do about it.
Houston We Have A Solution
What Angelos should be scared of is losing machado for nothing.
They could easily ask for Frazier, Andujar, Perez, Abreu and get 6 years from frazier and andujar while yankees get maybe 1 of machado if the angels decide to throw cash at him and move cozart to 2B when kinsler is a FA after the season
Mattimeo09
The point is that it’s going to stop it from happening in 2018. That’s all Angelos has ever said
oriolesravenstimberwolves04
Schoop is the orioles future.
dutch91701
Not if they don’t extend him like they did Machado.
whitemule70
This is true, but maybe not in the way you meant it. Schoop would be a good complimentary piece on a team that had solid pitching and a solid offense. But he could never be “the piece” or someone a top team could be built around.
tjritter79
Schoop, Mancini and Beckham are decent enough to build a team around. Unfortunately except for a couple of mid-inn relievers and Britton/Brach, the Orioles pitching staff is a patchwork of discarded starters from other teams and home-grown busts that stuck around too long. Look at Arrietta, saw NO promise in him, discarded….became an ace for the WS Cubs. Right there, tells you all you need to know about scouting, management and coaching of the Orioles….it’s pedigree man, remember…they USED to be the BROWNS!
outinleftfield
Schoop has 2 years of team control. Now is the time to get the most value for him. If they are not going to extend him, something they have said they will not talk to him about for 2 more years, then they have to trade him now.
baseballpun
I hope it’s a comfy basement, because they’re gonna be there for a while.
dimitriinla
They have been one of the most successful franchises of the last five years.
bastros88
that’s not true at all, in the past 5 years, they’ve been in the postseason only 2 times, and one of them they lost in the wild card. far from being the most successful franchise
dimitriinla
I said “one of”…. Their winning percentage over that span is quite impressive and they’ve done an outstanding job developing their players over that time. Some bad trades have cost them but other than that they’ve done a lot of things very well actually.
BoldyMinnesota
And a lot of things terribly, terribly bad
joeyuno
It isn’t even that they have been terribly bad at all but at this point the Yankees and Sox are SO much better than them and the AL West has gotten so much better and they all will be that much better for the next several years. Take a page from the playbook of the lowly rays at this point and sell off at least the pieces you know are just going to walk.
Joe Kerr
Since its Nightengale reporting this, we can all assume he will be traded by tomorrow
ray_derek
I’ve been refreshing the site all morning for nothing……
dynamite drop in monty
I hope it’s a long ceremony …. cause it’s gonna be a short honeymoon !
Fg-3
Joke.. had no intention of ever trading him. But can see its good for AL east. Just lost Longo.
El Duderino
Come on guys, there’s no need to trade him with all those young international players in the pipeline…
drewskis86
Maybe just a ploy?
adkuchan
Maybe? LOL Their bargaining leverage isn’t going to get any greater as the season progresses.
drewskis86
totally agree. just so confusing to try and understand what they are doing.
bastros88
good idea, let him walk at the end of the season, and get nothing for him. it’s a gutsy move, let’s see how it plays out lol.
outinleftfield
The Os would still get a draft pick as long as they put a QO on him.
WalkersDayOff
Yup just going to let all their free agents leave for comp picks. Could have jumpstarted the rebuild but no.. look at the royals DD. Its not worth it
dbec72
Could be keeping him so fans still buy tickets?
bearup
From my White Sox point of view, I am impressed with how Hahn is handling this. As for the Orioles, their hope seems to be that at the trading deadline a contending team might overpay. However, at that point the White Sox offer should be off the table or drastically reduced. Without the ability to flip him, the only interest would be an exceedingly slim hope of having an advantage in negotiating a long term contract.
virginiascopist
If that is indeed their strategy (trading him at the deadline), what happens if he has another sub-par first half, or he gets injured?
cwsOverhaul
Hahn making great moves and non-moves, but this is honestly a no brainer for anyone with even modest business acumen in his position. It would be naive to part with legit pieces of the future (couple pitchers) they have worked so hard to accumulate thinking there is an advantage next offseason in an all-out bidding war. If guys like Eloy and Kopech get called up next summer and look like studs from jump, they can make an uncharacteristic/long shot huge bid against the big boys. Can’t fault a star player like Machado betting on himself to let this roll to free agency. Horrible for Baltimore, but they will likely have to settle for a good but not crazy haul from a contender.
tycobb016
hahn just stirring up sox fans. trying to excite the fan base into thinking they are ready to spend money. there is nothing there.
tycobb016
* As far as Machado is concerned.
cwsOverhaul
Understood if you are skeptical, but WSox are not faking genuine interest in Machado to fool the fans that they will spend. He fits their timeline while they have cheap low cost youth/payroll. Don’t be surprised if they offer 10yrs in the 325-350mil range with opt out after 4yrs. It’s good business. Whether that’s high enough is another issue. Their only true selling point since they can easily be outbid is Machado is pumped up seeing Moncada/Eloy and some of their arms look like the real deal by end of 2018 season. Daunting task to lure ahead of Yanks/Cubs in particular with all their cash, media attention and win now young talent.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
How does Manny Machado the one year rental fit the rebuilding White Sox’s payroll?
cwsOverhaul
He doesn’t for a trade. Re-read.
Cubguy13
Yeah Hahn is a genius for not pulling off this trade. The same trade that the rest of the league also isn’t pulling off. How impressive….
Senioreditor
Bad franchise, with no real plan in a division that’s unforgiving. The perfect storm for a 100 loss season.
dbacksrs
I grew up an O’s fan because my dad was. I idolized the likes of Cal Ripken, BJ Surhoff, and Mike Musinna, but the O’s, since 1996, have been a horribly managed team. Always have liked Buck Showalter, but their GM’s and owners have been the craps.
outinleftfield
Angelos bought the team in late 1993. O’s fans have had a few good years since then. 1996 and 1997 were good. Lots of “Orioles Way” players still on the roster.
Then in 2012 and 2014 after Buck took over as manager. But Angelos stopped any international signings in 2012 and now refuses to allow Duke to do his job of being the GM of the team.
dbec72
If it was Russell and Montgomery then I doubt they will get a better deal.
simschifan
Almora Russel and Montgomery for one year of Machado? Thank you Orioles for saying no
Cubbie Steve
There is seriously no way in hell the Cubs offered up all three. Unlike Angelos and the FO in Baltimore, the Cubs understand concepts like the importance of cost-control.
Dave Cameron already wrote a well-nuisanced post on the whole Machado trade value. The Orioles would do well to read it—and maybe get a tutor to explain it to them. Maybe hire John Madden to come in with his scadoodle.
Seriously, I feel bad for Orioles fans. It’s hard enough to win in that division win with competent leadership…
drewskis86
Man, as a cubs fan I was getting school girl excited at the prospect of getting machado plus a possible darvish deal.
thepapacy
As a white sox fan, so was i..just hoping the cubs would go spend all that money and players for him
simschifan
Yeah because then they would have a better shot at the division right? Oh wait they are not in the same division or league. Worry about your own team
thepapacy
No just born and raised south sider who’s 2 favorite teams growing up and to this day are the white sox and who ever plays the cubs
Jack Lucas
I want to see the Flubs overpay for Darvich so we can all watch him get lit up again in the playoffs next year again!
jasonpen
At least we’ll be in the playoffs…
simschifan
You’re a special one aren’t you?
themed
Was never going to happen. Cubs on the decline. Windows closing. Nice one and done. But hey they’re due in about 100 years.
BoldyMinnesota
“One and done” is not making the NLCS in three straight years
Varangian
Jealous troll-child
bernbabybern
Dumb, unlikely they get more for 2 months of him at the deadline, and they have no chance in the division this year.
chri
Damn, the Orioles are right up there with the Mets and Marlins in terms of front office incompetence.
outinleftfield
With the O’s its all about Angelos. Duke is not allowed to do his job. How many times have you heard something is a done deal with the O’s and then Angelos shot it down at the last second? Too many times.
thetruth 2
What did the Marlins do wrong?
deacs71
No one was ever going to meet Baltimore’s asking price with Machado likely to leave after one year. Hypothetically, if the WSox had traded Kopech & Lopez (was never gonna happen) and some lower-level prospects for Machado, anything they could’ve flipped him for in July would not have been as good. And why would the Yankees even consider trading away any valuable assets for him at the deadline when they can just sign him next offseason anyway?
Cam
It really depends on just how much of a valuable asset, or assets, it would take to get him. From the Yankees point of view, it would be nice to have Machado this season too – that’s a season of production, where your window is open, that would be of incredible value. And two, Free Agency is not a foregone conclusion. Just because the Yankees can sign Machado, doesn’t mean they will sign Machado. Bringing him in a year before he reaches FA, even without signing an extension, could be the exposure and head start the Yankees need to sign him.
Reminds me of a lot of posts where people are like “Why don’t they just sign X?”, as if there’s only one team offering a certain player a contract. It takes two to tango.
marinest21 2
I don’t understand. Save for Crush, the O’s have never demonstrated a willingness to pay big money to FAs/contract extensions. So with that background, they proceed to not shop Machado until now, publicize the fact they are clearly trying to move him, and then backtrack on that plan when (unsurprisingly) no one gives them what they want for one year of Manny + no window to broach a contract extension? If it’s so obvious they were not going to be able to afford him (which it is) they should have dealt him last year.
Angelos continues to run this organization into the ground. It’s a shame.
realgone2
This decision has Angelos’s stink all over it
antsmith7
Have fun losing your franchise player next year and getting nothing in return.
thepapacy
Good now the white sox need to go grab yelich and realmuto instead…
Joe Kerr
no, the white sox didn’t build up the farm just to tear it apart trading for 2 guys, 1 of which isn’t signed through when they expect to compete and the other is an OF, very good of course but that is now a strength in their system.
thepapacy
Realmuto can hit FA in ’21 and yelich in ’22. So by saying the white so don’t expect to compete by that time is a false. I don’t think aquiring for those 2 would cost us much more then what getting machado would. we have a surplus of pitchers plus you can throw Collins in there.
What is this outfield strength you talk about? Rutherford and Robert both aren’t ready quite yet and trading for yelich frees us to trade avi while his price is still somewhat high even though I like avi
ChiSoxCity
The Orioles are screwing themselves by not letting teams negotiate with Machado. That point is moot though. A GM with vision would have traded him prior to last season, or at the trade deadline. Now they get a draft pick, or maybe a few midrange prospects.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
It would be pointless to do that.
Jack Lucas
Angelos is truly a clown of an owner. O’s aren’t going to be competitive next season in the AL East so rather than get something other than a bottom of the first round sandwich QA amateur draft pick he’ll just let Machado become a free agent and sign with the Yankees when if he was dealt to the White Sox or Cardinals (as rumored to be in the lead), there at least would be a chance he could keep Machado out of pin stripes in 2019 and beyond.
southbeachbully
So let’s say he accepts the best offer on the table and the offer is for what turns out to be a top 75-100 prospect and a couple of low level but high-ceiling wild card prospects. Are you as an Orioles fan going to be content with that or further castigate the organization for netting a poor return?
Joe Kerr
I’m not an O’s fan but if I were and that was the best offer then yes you take it. Its better than losing him to FA and only getting a draft pick that you may miss on.
outinleftfield
At this point, you take the best offer on the table. The problem is that they didn’t act sooner.
Cubbie Steve
Two top 75-100 prospects is an overpay, so Orioles fans shouldn’t be upset with that offer at all.
If the Orioles wanted to cash in, they should have traded for him at last year’s deadline. One year of control doesn’t have a whole lot of value. Yes, it has some at giving a team that wants to sign him next year the chance to woo him and show him what they’re about for a year, but in terms of the value of cost-controlled players, most of the league is in agreement in their value. Some teams, such as the Orioles, seem to be stuck in the “old way” (emotive-influenced thinking) instead of quantitative analysis. Maybe that’s also reflective of their fan-base. I don’t know.
And who knows, maybe offers go up at this next deadline. I don’t think it’s likely, as pitching is always in demand at the trade deadline, but hey, maybe a contender has a SS or 3B get hurt. Pretty risky to play that maybe game.
Greg Pinto
Tough spot because they have no leverage in talks.
Teams aren’t going to meet their demands without a window to negotiate, and Machado isn’t going to negotiate being so close to free agency in a prime spot (rightfully so.)
So even if a team does meet their demands and the O’s were willing to accept a conditional offer, it’ll never get done.
Best they can hope for now is a Machado-level first half and they flip him for a top-50 prospect at the deadline to a contender, thus concluding maybe the worst mishandling of a star player of this caliber that I can remember recently.
realgone2
they’ll go on a 7 game win streak right before the deadline and Pete will think they are contending and nix a trade. They’ll then proceed to lose ten in a row.
southbeachbully
Worse than Stanton? Not possible.
outinleftfield
Stanton exhibited a total lack of class. Before the new ownership had taken control of the team and had a chance to talk to him, he publicly said he was not willing to go through a rebuild. He put the new ownership in a bad position from the start.
Then after agreeing to them talking to a reported dozen teams, he said no after meeting with 2 that had made good offers for him. The responsibility for that mess is 100% on his shoulders. In the end, he got what he wanted, a team with a shot at winning, but Karma is a biotch.
The Marlins had no choice but to dump payroll. With only $205 million in revenue, Loria had put together a team that would have had a $140 million payroll in 2018 or about $50 million than they can afford to field.
Stanton going public before the new ownership was even in place tied the hands of Sherman and Jeter. I lost all respect for Stanton in that moment.
johnnygringo
except the New ownership, had to give a projected plan to MLB and the other owners,before being approved…so Stanton knew they were going for an 85-90 million dollar payroll and a rebuild…
outinleftfield
Stanton didn’t know that at the time. He is not part of the MLB offices or an owner of a competing team. He was a Marlins player. To come out publicly before the owners were even in control of the team and before talking to them to see the plan they had was low class.
adkuchan
You don’t negotiate a full no trade, so the team gets the best deal it can for you. You negotiate a full no trade so you get the best deal for you. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
revolu888
Can you blame Stanton? how many losing seasons have the Marlins had since he signed that extension?
Its not his fault Loria failed at putting together a winning product,
it’s not his fault he has a no-trade clause or an opt out which torpedoes his trade value or the trade leverage, that’s on the ownership for agreeing to such terms. It takes 2 to tango
He has every right to decide where he wants to spend potentially the rest of the decade because he has that no trade clause, why would he care about the prospect return Miami gets, If he didn’t want to live in SF or St Louis that’s his choice. Blame Loria, He negotiated that monstrous extension, don’t blame a player who played his heart out for the organization
Cubbie Steve
Stanton lacked class? He was given his big fat contract with the promise that they were going to build a contender around him. Then they proceeded to just continue to use him to draw people.
Doesn’t matter that there are new owners now. Dude wants to win, so I don’t fault him at all.
And don’t act like Derek Jeter or the majority owners have any class. They came in and were being totally classless with their front office staff and their coaching staff. Who fires someone while they’re in the hospital? Who has the audacity to tell hall of fame players turned staff that they can come back for a significant pay cut? I’ll tell you who: classless owners.
DannyQ3913
No sense emptying your farm system for a possible one year rental
driftcat28 2
Good, was not on board with the Yankees selling the farm for him. Rather make the effort to sign him in the offseason and keep the prospects
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
always thought this was very hard to pull off one year and Montano just isn’t worth enough to get the Orioles interested
Yankeepatriot
Considering how badly the o’s are ran you can’t blame machado for wanting out of there
southbeachbully
I’ve never heard Machado indicate he wanted out of Bmore.
Yankeepatriot
Do you honestly think he wants to stay though ?
davbee
He wants to get paid. Baltimore’s money is as green as anyones.
outinleftfield
Machado has been very public in saying he would like to stay in Baltimore for his entire career. That is not an issue. Money is an issue. Angelos is an issue.
sals029
The Orioles were never serious about trading Machado? I’m shocked!
jlahman
So surprise everyone,n sign him!
SupremeZeus
Whatever move the O’s do or do not make, it will always be wrong.
Marty 3
Three team trade.
Orioles get Realmuto+minor leaguers
Marlins get Bogaerts, Chavis,ERod
RedSox get Machado
justinept
Two things. 1) Realmuto doesn’t pitch and 2) Angelos reportedly isn’t agreeing to a deal that keeps Machado in the AL East
beetlejuice
In a small market with a lunatic owner. Doesn’t matter, even if they agreed on a trade the owner would get cold feet and the incoming players wouldn’t pass the physicals.
timm-2
this is no surprise. Why would anyone give up much of anything for this guy now? I could see a desperate team at the deadline who wants to have a shot at a ring maybe (like the cubs did with chapman) later.
there is a 100% chance this guy wants to go to the open market. everyone knows it. regardless of who you may want to speculate who he’d want to sign with or why.
MTM19
It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for em’
Yankeepatriot
I think (and hope) that the Phillies sign him next off season
johnnygringo
ha ha ha so Baltimore got the bird on trading 1 year of control @ 17-18 million,on a guy coming off a down year? and no team wanted to give up 3-4 top prospects for the privilege of being spurned on a 400 million dollar contract extension?
wrigleyhawkeye
I would be fine if the Cubs traded away one of their better pieces such as Russell, Baez, or Schwarber but only if they were able to lock him up to an extension before hand— not just for 1 year. Not sure if those negotiations are allowed in MLB though.
justinept
They’re allowed but 1) the Os would need to allow it, which I’ve heard they wouldn’t and 2) Machado isn’t giving up FA for anything less than $400 million.
Cardsfanatik
I’m almost certain the O’s won’t allow the window, because Machado has probably made it known he’s not signing a long term deal. They know its a waste of time. Machado wants paid. And while I can’t blame him, I also don’t understand why he wouldn’t at least be curious as to what someone might offer. Nothing says he HAS to take it.
mattcubs
Yeah. Unless he really wanted to play for the Cubs, he’d have little reason to do this. Might as well give it a year, let the bidding war commence, and then pick your spot. Wouldn’t mind seeing him in a Cubs uniform though.
themed
No chance being a cub. Get over it.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Baez isn’t being traded. You don’t trade him for less than 3 players back. 2 ML players and a top 25 prospect. Maybe a 2 for.4 deal.
Phillies2017
I feel like Peter Angelos is the worst thing to happen to baseball in years. While there have been bad GM’s and ownerships like the D-Backs before Hazen, none of them have upheld such outlandish policies and factually wrong beliefs.
The Orioles won’t win again until Angelos sells, or the owners/league buy him out.
I just feel for the fans. They’re the ones suffering.
raef715
they have at least had some competitive, interesting teams to watch. talk to fans of Reds and some others about suffering..
justinept
The Os aren’t going to re-sign Machado. His starting point starts at $300 million and the Os know now that they won’t be offering him that much. So their threat to keep him around unless the offers improved was never taken too seriously.
Given what I’ve read – that the Cubs offered some combination of players that included Russell, Almora, Montgomery but that the Os want two quality, cost-controlled starters – I’m going to go out on a limb and say that the reason a deal hasn’t been struck isn’t because teams aren’t offering good packages, but because the Os asking price is ludicrous.
I’m not suggesting that the O’s should give away Machado for free. That would be stupid. But to demand two quality, cost-controlled pitchers is even more stupid.
A quality, cost-controlled starter is the most valuable commodity in baseball. TOR pitching costs $25-30 million per year. Middle of the rotation arms cost $16-$18 million per year. Hell, Alex freaking Cobb is holding out for $20 million per year!!! That’s insanity. When you look at those figures, you’ll realize that the only way for a team to really compete is to have quality, cost-controlled pitchers in their rotation. The O’s want a team to give up two of those! As great as Machado is, no team is going to pay that price…
…Especially since the only way to overcome a lack of quality, cost-controlled arms is to have cheap, elite offensive players. Now Machado is elite. But he isn’t cheap – even this year. He’s projected at an arb of $18.3 million. And that’s not taking into account the money he’d need to be paid to stay! Really, any team offering two quality, cost-controlled arms is looking at a 1 year window max. And there’s only one team that really fits that description – but we all know Angelos isn’t trading his franchise player to the Nationals…
Cardsfanatik
There are only a few teams that can actually give him what he wants anyway. The Cardinal’s are in no way shape or form going to give up 2 of Flaherty/Weaver/Reyes/Hudson/Gomber for 1 year of Machado. The Cubs don’t have 2 pitching prospects that fit their asking price without giving up Alzolay/Albertos. The White Sox won’t give up 2 of Giolito/Cease/Kopech/Hanson/Fullmer. So I’m not understanding what kind of crack it really is that the O’s FO is smoking. But it has them over the top dilusional. I truly feel bad for O’s fans. Machado is a great player. But he’s not worth 12 years of potential top of the rotation stuff. He’s not worth 12 years of middle of the rotation stuff for that matter. Not for one year. Now, if the O’s would allow a window to negotiate, and Machado was amenable to that, thats a whole different ballgame.
dwhitt3
As a Yankees fan, I think it’s hilarious that they’re gonna lose him for either a lot less at the deadline or nothing after the season.
The Baltimoron
Do people not realize the Os have been really good the past 6 years?
The Baltimoron
Why do people keep mentioning a window to negotiate? Manny isn’t signing an extension with anyone, he’s going to free agency.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
People on MLBTR think you can just force players to sign extensions.
Regi Green
Ofcourse there won’t be any trade. They want a package of young controllable pitchers,but won’t give a window to negotiate. Teams can’t even get an idea of what Machado expects or plans. Duquette is overplaying his hand without much to play with.
The_Porcupine
If the Cubs did in fact offer Russell, Almora, and Montgomery, they are fools for turning it down. All three make the O’s better for both the short term and long term. If they truly don’t like that package, you still trade for them. Then you sell those new players for who you want. Russell in particular would bring significant trade returns.
themed
Those cubs are all overrated and unproven. Average players that cub fans rank as superstars.
wooden11
How are they unproven? They won a world series already. What else do they have to prove?
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Russell is far from overrated. Not only is he a top 5 SS but he’s underrated if anything.
Name one other player with less than 2 years Of ML service tbat tags up on that fly ball by Bryant game 7..not just that. Veteran guys wouldn’t have the wherewithal to tag up..It was Almoras heads up base running that won the game. And Zo’s clutch double.
raef715
based on the rotation the orioles have run out there in recent years, i have no clue what the Orioles definition of a quality major league arm would be. An Era below 6?
nashvillecardsfan
If a team trades for him before the season starts they A) get him for the entire year, and B) they can slap him with a QO at years end.
There is zero doubt that he is worth more than at the trade deadline. If they know they’re going to move him, now is the time.
E munchy
Watch him leave for nothing….what an effing shame. If they weren’t pleased (I question their efforts) with the offers in the off season forget the trade deadline, they’ll have even less leverage. I could say a lot more but I’m going to sum it up like this. The window is shut for this team and Pete must die and Dan must go before sunny days return for the Orioles. Unless by some miracle they win in spite of themselves like in years past.
qbass187
Who cares at this point!? Trade him, don’t trade him. Whatever! Every day with this nonsense with this punk jerk off kid.
sckoul
Orioles have a stupid front office. Take him off the market after you already hurt his value lol very smart. Now they will trade him to a team at the deadline and not get half of what was offered back lol
FOmeOLS
MLB: “No way can the Orioles screw this up.”
Dan Duquette: “hold my beer.”
Yankeepatriot
The o’s and jays’s don’t gain anything from keeping machado and Donaldson respectively. If they are traded at the deadline neither team will get that much at all unless an extremely desprate GM trades with them
takeyourbase
2 young controllable starters for 1 year of machado with no extension guarantee? Too much
Cubguy13
Machado will be traded by the deadline if Baltimore is out of the playoff race. If Machado is having an above average year, like many players seem to have in their contact
kyredsox17
The “Baltimore Reds” are going to wait too long and get less than what they should have.
Leonard44
So you are embarrassed to be a fan of a team that won more games than any team in the league from 2012 to 2016 and made the post season in ‘12, ‘14 and ‘16. You are ridiculous.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
The cubs offered those 3 players for machado. They have nothing to lose by saying yes. They up trade at SS. CF and have a decent starter who can come out of the bullpen too.
Gary Rogers
Could trade with Braves===========Baez and Happ For Folty,Allard,I.Anderson and Demeritte.