Though the Cardinals weren’t able to convince Giancarlo Stanton to waive his no-trade clause, they may yet be able to work out a trade with the Marlins. Specifically, rival execs say they expect the Redbirds to make a “legit pitch” for fellow outfielders Marcell Ozuna and Christian Yelich, Jerry Crasnick of ESPN tweets. Crasnick describes a deal for Ozuna or Yelich as more of a “pure baseball trade” than a deal for Stanton, adding that he believes that’s more in the confines of St. Louis GM John Mozeliak’s comfort zone. While it would require a lot more in terms of prospects to land one of the Marlins’ remaining outfielders, previous negotiations for Stanton could potentially expedite trade talks. It stands to reason that the two teams should already be quite familiar with each others’ valuations on several Cardinals prospects. Furthermore, the Cardinals may have already evaluated avenues for what to do with Randal Grichuk or Stephen Piscotty in the event they are able to acquire a new outfielder. It will be interesting to see if anything unfolds between these two teams during the winter meetings.
- The Cubs have their sights set on Rays pitchers Alex Colome and Chris Archer, Phil Rogers of MLB.com reports with a tweet, though he acknowledges that getting both in one swoop would require a “monster return.” From my point of view, it seems difficult to imagine that the Cubs could put together a package worthy of Archer alone; their farm system is devoid of top 100 prospects following several promotions over the past few seasons, coupled with trades for players such as Wade Davis, Aroldis Chapman and Jose Quintana. Archer alone would require at least some players from the major league club. It’s tough to know whether giving up one or more of Ian Happ, Javier Baez or Kyle Schwarber (to name just a few examples) in exchange for pitching would significantly improve the major league team. The top three names in the Cubs’ farm system (according to MLB Pipeline) are right-handed pitchers Oscar de la Cruz, Jose Albertos and Adbert Alzolay.
- Tom Haudricort of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel details some of Brewers GM David Stearns’ comments about the upcoming winter meetings. Last year, Stearns had no idea he’d gain enough traction in talks for Travis Shaw to actually complete a trade during the meetings. “You’re never really sure which one will be the one you get a foothold on,” Stearns said. “Last year, we were able to get that foothold in the Shaw talks and get a deal done.” Haudricort describes adding to a thin starting rotation as a “major priority” for Stearns this winter, noting that Jimmy Nelson might not be healthy in time for Opening Day. Beyond Chase Anderson, Junior Guerra and Zach Davies, there aren’t any definite fixtures in the rotation. Josh Hader performed well in the bullpen last year, but the notion of transitioning him back to a starting role remains simply a “topic of discussion.” Stearns notes that Hader’s role with the team will depend on how the offseason shakes out, as well as continued internal dialogue about how he fits best on the team. The only thing Stearns would commit to is that Hader will be in a “position to accumulate innings.” On the notion of that the Brewers could pursue big-ticket names like Jake Arrieta and Yu Darvish, Stearns had the following comment: “Our market and our history here probably is a better indicator of the types of moves we’re seeking than some of the external speculation.”
fmj
I’d rather the cards trade for ozuna or yelich than the rumoured longoria
RaysBaseball4
I’d rather the Cards stay away from Longoria also. I just don’t see a good trade between the two teams. I don’t think the Rays are in a rebuild spot just yet, and if we were to trade Longoria for MLB talent, you guys don’t really have anything we need…
mp2891
Are you kidding me? The biggest need of the Rays this offseason is a left Fielder, and the Cardinals have plenty of outfielders. We would also love to add a top catching prospect (cough *Carson Kelly* cough). I totally see the Cardinals and Rays lining up on a trade for Colome or Odorizzi, and while I would trade Longo this offseason, I don’t think the Rays will.
lowtalker1
What’s wrong with Corey Dickerson ?
Is he a free agent? I thought he had another year. Plus, the rays have plenty of pitching depth and can get a quality outfielder without issues
Birdwatcher
You are correct. They do line up. But if Kelly is involved, it won’t be for Odorizzi/Colome deal. Birds have as many as 3 OF’s that can be moved easily all with some value. Grichuk & B prospect for Colome.
NOPelicanFangirl696969
LMAO the last thing the rays need is an outfielder boy. We have dickerson kiermaier souza smith, etc and i imagine prospects who could play there
the boss
I doubt that the Cardinals trade the 2nd best catching prospect with Yadi also retiring in a few years
STL-NYC
The cards also have Andrew Knizner as a catching prospect who has been flying up the rankings this year. Would move Kelly on to get a top player in return i.e.( Archer, Yelich, Cole, Donaldson).
brucewayne
Not trading Kelly!
mp2891
The Rays desperately want to keep Dickerson at DH. Plus, there’s a chance Dickerson gets traded. $6.5 million is a lot for the Rays to pay any arb eligible player.
mp2891
You’re wrong Pelican. Souza and KK are locks for RF and CF, respectively. Smith is a back up at this point. Next prospect to get called up by the Rays in the outfield (Justin Williams) spent all of 2017 (other than the playoffs) in AA and won’t be called up in 2018. Thus the need for a LF.
therealryan
I understand that things change, but according to BR the Rays had the 7th most productive LF in MLB last year. They also are returning a 29 year old LF who has a career 116 wRC+. He is coming off of a 2.5+ WAR season where he posted a 115 wRC+ and still has 2 years of team control remaining,
mp2891
In a vacuum those numbers suggest Dickerson sticks at LF, but I’m telling you the Rays want him to play DH. Only if the Rays acquire a true defensive liability (like Schwarber) would Dickerson stick at LF. Otherwise, look for the Rays to do all they can to sign a LF and move Dickerson back to DH (plus, Dickerson’s numbers fell off a cliff once he moved from DH to LF in 2017).
fmj
I like longo. I’ve always thought he’d be a good fit on the cardinals. Right now though I think the cards need younger talent closer to their prime. I’m not sure an oft injured (good) player on the wrong side of 30 is the answer. plus, I like guys who spend their whole career in one spot and he’s the face of the rays. I’d be perfectly fine with a longo trade, but it’s not my ideal first choice.
bearcat6
Lingo is NOT oft injured. He has been one of the most durable players over the past five or six seasons.
bearcat6
Longo, not Lingo!
therealryan
Longo has played the 3rd most games in MLB over the past 3 years and the most in baseball over the past 5 seasons.
RedFeather
Cards need to get after Ozuna.. no thanks on Yelich, Yelich is another Carpenter/Fowler which they do not need. I would trade for Ozuna, try and trade for the Rays closer Colome, and consider trading for Donaldson or signing Mike Moustakas to play 3B.
RedFeather
1. Carpenter 1B
2. Fowler CF
3. Donaldson 3B
4. Ozuna RF
5. DeJong SS
6. Pham LF
7. Molina C
8. Wong/Gyrko 2B
9. Pitcher
Cardinals17
If Carpenter would quit taking the first pitch for an 0-1 count every single time he bats, I’d go along with that line up. Otherwise, I’d put Fowler back in the leadoff position. However, those players would work for me. If we’re dreaming, try this;
Fowler. RF
Pham. LF
Ozuna. CF
Abreau. 1b
DeJong. ss
Molina. C
Gyorko 3b
Wong. 2b
Pitcher
fmj
I agree about the first pitch strike with carp, but he’s still the superior leadoff hitter compared to fowler. carp has the highest OPS out of the leadoff spot than anyone else in the history of the sport. yes. better than Rickey Henderson.. If carp isn’t the everyday leadoff hitter in 2018 the cardinals are making a mistake.
ucalex
Does a package of Happ, Baez and Schwarber get Archer and Colome? More? Less?
justin-turner overdrive
No one wants Schwarber. Archer and Keirmaier for Happ, Baez, Alzolay, Zagunis and Almora might get done.
mp2891
WTH – Why do people keep including KK in lunatic trade packages? He’s the only true untouchable Ray this year. For the love of god….
Mikel Grady
Other than cheap archer isn’t better than Cobb Lynn darvish Arrieta. Just spend money and keep what they have .harper coming next year move some next year. Need Colome more than archer
simschifan
Happ Baez and Almora that’s ridiculous. For and overrated Chris Archer and a closet that isn’t proven? So take the cubs only two reasonable second baseman and center fielder for two pitchers? I’m glad you guys aren’t gm’s
therealryan
I love the irony of this post. You call Archer overrated even though he is top 5 in IP, top 10 in fWAR and xFIP and top 15 in FIP over the past 3 years. You also call Colome an unproven closer, yet he has the 2nd most saves in MLB over the past 2 years and is top 20 in ERA and FIP among all RP since moving to the pen full time in 2015. You then say that these two proven above average MLB players who come with multiple years of inexpensive team control aren’t worth 3 players that have yet to firmly establish themselves as MLB players. Unless you count Baez as an established glove first 2B.
Red Ivy
Ginger homer congrats on losing game 7
Red Ivy
Your salty mock trade is absolutely hilarious
The Natural
The Cubs don’t need Keirmaier and the 5 players you named for Archer and KK is flat out ridiculous…oh and plenty of people want Schwarber.
gronk
Nobody wants Schwarber? The kid had a bad year. So that’s it? That’s a wrap? I personally haven’t asked them but I’d be willing to bet there are at least 30 GMs that would disagree with your statement.
Marytown1
Lol. Only if the other GM is smoking Crack.
mp2891
Not a chance. The Rays need a mixture of MLB talent and prospects. I don’t see how the Cubs can get both Archer and Colome from the Rays. Plus, I don’t think the Cubs would part with all three anyway. As a Rays fan, I’d love to trade Colome to the Cubs for a package including Happ or Schwarber.
matthew102402
Not nearly enough.
Solaris601
I could see Cubs including Schwarber in a deal for Archer which would benefit both teams. Rays need more pop in the lineup, and Schwarber could play 1B or DH daily. Archer would round out the Cubs’ rotation, but they’ll probably have to go the free agent route for a closer.
justin-turner overdrive
The Rays don’t need a full time power-only DH. Archer’s extreme team-friendly deal means his value is through the roof and worth way more than Schwarber, a player only Cubs fans value. Start with Happ and Almora and you might not get laughed off the phone.
Marytown1
Nobody in their right mind gives up a top tier pitcher with team friendly contract for DH type player
justin-turner overdrive
Exactly.
lucienbel
Agreed. They can get so much more value from Archer elsewhere if that were the only proposal on the table. The Cubs will need to sweeten the deal more than that for someone like Archer.
seamaholic 2
Stop thinking of Schwarber as an important part of a trade. He’s a throw in. A platoon DH with pop. Nice cherry on top but not the cake, unless you’re talking a minor trade
ChiSoxCity
The Cubs still seem content with “flying under the radar” moves. If they continue to shy away from adding impact guys the next few years, the deep playoff runs will be over.
cubsbearsbulls2018
The Cubs traded Soler for Davis. I think it’s safe to say he’s far from a prospect at this point in his career. Talk about a steal of a deal!
rememberthecoop
Except that now Davis is gone while Solar has years to still turn into something
terry g
or not turn into something.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
There’s no guarantees he won’t re-sign with the cubs.
themed
Yes it was a steal. Now the cubs have nothing for Soler.
Grebek7
Wade Davis is an elite closer & was the best player on Cubs last year. They discarded him like a bubble gum wrapper
Ry.the.Stunner
How did they discard him? It’s called becoming a free agent
justin-turner overdrive
A’s gotta be the dark horse for Piscotty.
ob1kenobi
It’s such a good fit
kbarr888
It is……but for who?
justin-turner overdrive
A’s have every kind of prospect the Cards would want, except C.
Really wonder if Piscotty and Kelly for Barreto and Neuse makes sense for both sides. Kelly & Barreto have the same 40ish mlb prospect rating and Neuse is a solid 3B prospect for Piscotty’s contract.
Dock_Elvis
Not sure why the a’s arent in on Ozuna or Yelich themselves.
Zachary Hines
And what would we get for piscotty from As
Jam91487
The Birds should look at putting a package together for Davis and Madson that starts with Piscotty
cygnus2112
If the A’s were to trade Khrush to the Cards for a package including Piscotty, I’m sure they’d insist on us taking Matt Joyce & Santiago Casilla so that they could get that money off the books but Davis isn’t enough and they’d (STL) have to find a more contact orientated corner bat to offset the K’s that KD would bring to the table.
Yelich would represent that kind of bat but that would mean the Cards would have to trade Pham or Fowler and I don’t see either one happening but I could possibly see Miami wanting Pham (along with others) in a deal for that he could be immediately penciled in to the Fish lineup…
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Madson was traded the Nats at the deadline.
Jam91487
Totally forgot about that!
Jam91487
They definitely won’t trade Dex, but I could see them selling high on Pham. And we wouldn’t necessarily have to offset Khris’ K’s because Carp wouldn’t have to be such a power hitter with a legit one in the lineup.
brucewayne
Madson got traded to the Nats last year! Davis is a terrible defensive player
ABCD
Cubs aren’t getting Archer. Consider the reporter. Phil Rogers is always speculating trades like this.
mp2891
Agreed. I don’t think the Cubs have the prospects to round out the trade, even if they include Happ or Schwarber in the package.
hatstotheleft
Rays wanted Baez for Cobb in 2015 winter meetings. If Cubs want Archer it starts with Happ, Baez, & a pitching prospect or two.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Baez isnt being traded. Theo and Jed hang up on that offer. If it wasn’t for LeMehieu Baez would have won the last two GG at 2nd. In 2016 Russell was shafted by Crawford. Crawford is good but he isn’t half the defensive player russell is.
If archer is traded to the cubs it will be Schwarber and 2 mid level prospects not De La Cruz. There’s rumors or Happ for Salazar as well. I wouldn’t trade Happ unless he got miller and kluber back. Might be asking too much. If the cubs wanted archer they would have him. They need to focus on trying to sign Cobb, 2 relievers and another starter.
ABCD
Just a little too much.
Cobb and a couple of relievers off the FA market sounds good though.
simschifan
People really seem to undervalue Cubs hitters. You guys want to trade 60-70 homers and gold glove caliber players for Archer? Sorry I don’t see that happening
davbee
You undervalue a pitcher controlled and a very reasonable cost through 2021.
Red Ivy
Lmfao! Rays fans logic “Kris Bryan Jon Lester and Anthony Rizzo for Evan Longoria. You kill me. You can keep archer. Do you really think we’re gonna over pay for any of your players? Gtfoh
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I wasn’t making up a ridiculous trade. But the guy I replied to said a trade for archer started with Baez, happ and Schwarber. That 70+ home runs just to start trade talks. Theo and Jed move on from archer the rays ask for all 3 plus more. Archer was traded for Matt Garza so the cubs getting him back wouldn’t be more than a derosa, Garza 7 years ago package. Schwarber and 2 low to mid level prospects. Would get it done.
The rays have an awful stadium they would make the Schwaber rule. If it hits the cat walk it’s a home run unless it’s a pop.up. he has the power to hit the ball out of Tropicana field
Stromalama 2
Schwarber and two mid level prospects don’t get you Archer.
jjspkd
No one on the planet except Cuba fans think Schwarber has any kind of value. KS and 2 mid level prospects would get a middle finger and hang up. A team would take him as a throw in but he had a WAR of 0 last year. Crap average and obp. He had a magical post season but that is it. He is a poor man’s David Freese.
Red Ivy
See you just don’t understand that the cubs aren’t going to pay you what you want. You don’t even get schwarber. You get Ian Happ and Dylan maples for archer. schwarber nor Javy are on the table. Do you think the cubs are going to be heart broken if they get archer or not? No they don’t. We have the leverage not you. Your team is in the crapper in the most loaded division in the AL while we are world contenders for 3-5 more years. If you want to let archer rot away in Tampa during his prime while you get pounded so be it. We are a big market team and we print money. We can spend if we have to. Theo isn’t going to make a deal that’s not a slam dunk for the cubs. Also you’re high if you think Javy Baez is even available.
brucewayne
Baez is not a gold glove caliber player at all !
mp2891
Things change. Namely, The Rays have middle infield prospects ready for graduation in 2018 and Baez is closer to big money. the Rays will look for other trade opportunities than the Cubs if Baez is the centerpiece.
mp2891
Wrek – you are seriously over valuing Cubs players and under valuing other teams players. You’re not getting Archer or Kluber for throw in pieces.
mp2891
Sims – True, but Schwarber and Happ play poor defense and aren’t worth Aces (or near Aces) in their own right. As a Rays fan, I recognize that Archer isn’t Sale, but he’s certainly better than Quintana (and worth more with his contract). Any trade for Archer is going to be VERY costly for the acquiring team, and if that team is the Cubs, it probably requires both Happ and Schwarber. .
mp2891
Dude (Red Ivy) – Take a chill pill. This isn’t personal. There are plenty of teams out there. You don’t want to pay the Rays’ price for their players – fine – other teams will. But recognize that the Cubs players have warts just like the Rays players do. Happ and scraps won’t get you Archer.
therealryan
Archer has 4 years of inexpensive team control remaining. How are the Rays forced to move him? You also seem mad at the cost of good, controllable young pitching, yet your team just helped reinforce that cost. The Cubs just traded a 60 FV OF and 55 FV SP as the headliners for 3.5 years of a more expensive Quintana. You can pretend that 4 years of your glove first 2B is enough to get 4 years of a TOR SP signed to one of the most team friendly contracts in the sport, but you’re wrong.
Red Ivy
You want a complete super haul for archer. No team is going to give up 3 potential everyday players for a guy who has an ERA north of 4.07. Like you said it’s not personal but what your ask is for Theo to give you everything you want and more for archer bc of his controllable contract years. If it’s not Happ, maples and prospect then he won’t do it. Nor should he. You’re entitled to believe in the caliber players on the rays just as I’m entitled to believe in the caliber of players on the cubs.
mp2891
Red Ivy – I agree with you that the Rays are unlikely to trade Archer to the Cubs. I don’t think they line up well for a trade of that magnitude. Frankly, I don’t think the Rays will trade Archer before the deadline, if then. I like Happ a lot, and would love to see him (or Schwarber) added to the Rays for Colome. But I don’t see an Archer trade to the Cubs because I don’t think much of the Cubs prospects and I don’t think the Cubs will part with the necessary MLB pieces required to get Archer. Just my opinion. Every team has to look out for itself. The Cubs will fill their holes differently (say by signing free agents) and the Rays will make trades with other teams. It’s all good.
simschifan
Schwarber’s defense is questionable. Happ is a utility guy who can play all 3 outfield positions and second base. Wouldn’t call his defense poor at all. And to people who are saying nobody wants Schwarber, Boston apparently does. And that’s just one reported.
JKB 2
Phil Rogers is a joke
Philliesfan4life
since the yankees traded castro to the marlins, should the angels trade for him? he would be a nice pick up.
justin-turner overdrive
Could definitely see that happening. Just because Miami took on that money doesn’t mean they are going to keep it for long. Castro probably won’t ever suit up for the fish.
aff10
Angels should be all in at this point. I’d expect they target somebody better (Hernandez, Kinsler, etc.)
Yankeepride88
I would argue that Castro is similar to both Kinsler and Hernandez in terms of value.
Philliesfan4life
except kinsler would be a rental, Castro would be under control till 2020. If the angels can take on his contract or atleast half without giving up much, the infield would be almost done, All they would need is moustakus. He’s the perfect fit for the angels.
aff10
Both of the guys I mentioned are vastly better defensive players, and Hernandez has been a better hitter than Castro has each of the past 2 years. I could see a case for Castro > Kinsler, I guess, if you think his downturn last year was the start of a severe decline, but he was still fantastic defensively, had pretty similar batted-ball data and strike zone feel, so I’m not worried personally
aff10
That’s fair. He’d be a cheaper acquisition cost than Hernandez and under control longer than Kinsler. I just think, with where Anaheim sits now, they just pursue the best immediate upgrades that they can (within reason obviously) to take advantage of a still-productive Upton and, of course, Ohtani and Trout. The AL WC may never be more open than this year either, even if they’re not as good as Houston is on paper
xscalabr
Jester actually deserves the benefit of the doubt here. Loria was awful and gave Stanton and Gordon those awful contracts, thus giving Jeter a terrible situation. He will put the right guys in the FO to rebuild the team and they could be something. Just stop blaming Jeter and blame the evil Loria
ABCD
But Jeter is doing the exact same thing that Loria would do? How about building some goodwill first?
xscalabr
Unfortunately Jeter had no other choice. The roster, while not devoid of stars, had plenty of holes. This team was just not going to compete and was in DEBT. They couldn’t afford to keep Stanton and therefore had very little leverage. I didn’t like the Stanton trade for the Marlins but there wasn’t much else they could do.
Dock_Elvis
That was a ridiculous contract to give Stanton…and it was made on hopes of building sale value for Loria. I cant blame anyone for wanting to ship that out. That said….in my mind the Marlins were some pitching from being contenders…that was a solid OF.
JKB 2
But they bought the team knowing about the Stanton contract
brucewayne
They also bought the team knowing they could trade anybody they wanted to!
Zachary Hines
How about carpenter and Piscotty and Voit for Matt Olson and a prospect or 2 back
WalkersDayOff
Matt Olson lol keep dreaming
sacball
you’re joking right?
troll
how about give them carpenter for free?
KingZeke8
Junior Guerra is not a “definite fixture” for the rotation. He’ll be lucky if he even gets a long relief job. WTF who wrote this?
Benklasner
Did you check the tagline?
Brewers39
Maybe they meant he would be in the rotation in Colorado Springs.
GarryHarris
In addition to Starlin Castro, I would assume that the Marlins WANT to trade away Martin Prado, Edinson Volquez and Brad Ziegler. Marcel Ozuna and Christian Yelich would be available if Volquez or Prado were packaged with one of them.
outinleftfield
Prado and Zeigler, yes. Volquez. no. Simply because he will miss all of 2018. The Marlins are not that concerned with his salary because 75% of it will be paid by insurance.
I doubt that anyone else is traded besides those two. Maybe Ozuna because he only has two years of team control and will make more than $10 million in 2018.
There is no way they would package anyone with Ozuna that would lower the return in any way.
rxbrgr
Can you call Junior Guerra a definite fixture in the rotation for MIL?
desertbull
LOL at people who think the Cubs are trading Baez, Happ, Schwarber plus prospects when they could just sign Cobb or bring back Arrieta and keep all their players. WTH are you thinking? This is Theo Epstein, not Mike Rizzo.
simschifan
Thank you
simschifan
70 plus homers for a 4th or fifth starter
Dock_Elvis
What does Jed Hoyer do with most of his time?
Rob66
Archer was part of the trade between Cubs and Rays years back (Cubs got Matt Garza). Trivia
ABCD
Yes, and the Cubs have Edwards and I guess you have to count Grimm, too, to show for it now.
tealmarlin
Jeter has no excuse to trade Ozuna or Yelich. Yelich contract is a Christmas gift, and he can work out Ozuna’s contract since he’s not locked like Stanton. He can obviously build around these guys. The only guy he can trade could be Prado, that’s it. No Castro no anyone else, maybe even sign Jose Reyes to a veteran minimum if the mets pass on him, someone that can pass the torch to the younger generation. Jeter has no excuse now.
ABCD
Um, I think Jeter’s been talking with Rick Hahn about how to do a rebuild.
Dad
Cardinals need to package Wong in a trade to open up a spot for Carpenter, then sign a powerful first baseman. Wong and Two outfielders for Archer and Colome, throw in another prospect if needed.
davbee
Not even close to enough for 4 years of Archer at a $34 Mil total salary.
Zachary Hines
As much as I would like archer and colome. I dont see archer, he would cost to much. Maybe odorizzi? But I see the Cardinals addressing SP and bullpen and closer through FA. And picking up via trade. Anything can happen. Just hopefully it isn’t nothing.
troll
carpenter needs to find a way out of st louis
the boss
Why u say that
Zachary Hines
If Wong is packaged I’d put Jedd G. To second and sign Mike Moustakas
kenly0
The Cubs do have enough to get Archer and Colome. Just don’t think their willing to give what it’ll take. Would the Rays so no to Shwarber, Happ, Caratini, and 2 pitching prospects? Probably not. The Cubs would then have to sign an OF. At least a one year guy before they sign Harper. I’d be ok with a lineup of
CF Almora
3B Bryant
1B Rizzo
C. Contreras
SS Russell
RF Heyward
2B Baez
LF Zobrist
Starting 5 of
Lester
Hendricks
Quintana
Archer
Chatwood
Pen 7-9
Edwards
Strop
Montgomery
Colome
mp2891
Any trade for Archer would probably require Schwarber and Happ. Not sure the Cubs have the extra pieces to pull off Colome too or that they’d even want to trade Schwarber and Happ to begin with.
the boss
If the cardinals trade for Donaldson they need to give gryko, money and if needed a low to middle prospect. If they don’t do that they have to get rid of him somehow for something in return. He is getting old and isn’t doing that good
If they trade for Ozuna they need to give them Wong and an OF prospect. They should also ask for one of the Marlins 2nd base prospects
brucewayne
Who? Gyorko getting old? LoL! No he’s not . Plus he’s lead the team in home runs for 2 years
brucewayne
Plus he plays great defense! Wong
brucewayne
and a OF prospect won’t get you Ozuna
callmenate
Stl. Trades Alacantra, Pham, Grichick, Hudson to Fla for Castro, Ozuna, and Ziegler.
Stl. Then trades Kelly, Bader, Meyers, Gyrko, Flagherty/Hicks to Tampa for Archer and Colomb
mp2891
A trade for Archer will require at least two top 50 prospects (or equivalent value) and Colome will likely require at least 1 top 50 prospect (or equivalent value), plus some high risk high reward rookie ball prospects. Kelly and Bader are good starts. I’m not sure the Rays have a need for Gyorko unless Longo is traded, and I don’t see a Meyers or Flagherty on the team, unless you’re referring to Mike Mayers and Jack Flaherty. Assuming Kelly, Flaherty and Bader are part of the trade, then the core of the trade is probably there, and the parties would just need to add a MLB player and some rookie ball prospects to round out the trade. This trade package probably works.
jacknbd
Padres should trade for yelich that would be a great fit
brucewayne
Cards are not trading Kelly !
Danthemilwfan
Junior Guerra? He’s not a fixture. He’s not going to be a brewer lol. He sucks.
Brewers39
He might be a Sky Sock though. Possibly a lock for that rotation.
Jockstrapper
Phil Rogers is an idiot, in case anyone outside of Chicago didn’t realize already. Carry on.
Froque83
Great conversation here! At the end of the day Cubs and Rays look like a match but are not, Cubs can not move important pieces to get important pieces, ok fix pitching but now need the bats, the Rays are not going to undersell the best none free agent on the block and not get pieces they will use in a near future like a second base and a right handed left field. Twins and cards sound better, maybe brewers
mp2891
Agreed. I’d be shocked if the Rays and Cardinals don’t make at least one trade this offseason. Rays need an outfielder and the Cardinals are overflowing with outfielders. Twins and Brewers could use Archer, so if he gets moved, it’s likely to one of those places. It will be an interesting off season for sure.