THURSDAY, 6:04am: The Padres have inquired on Yelich, a source tells Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union-Tribune.
WEDNESDAY, 3:43pm: Miami expects to talk things over with Yelich before making any decisions, Heyman tweets. Of course, it may reasonably be anticipated that his preference would be to follow the other major pieces out the door.
1:09pm: To the contrary, Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets that the Fish aren’t interested in dealing Yelich. Others are hearing similarly, though it certainly seems too soon to say that Miami won’t end up finding a deal — or that the team won’t be willing to listen to offers.
1:07pm: The Marlins are informing rivals that they are now willing to trade their last remaining star outfielder, Christian Yelich, according to a report from Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports (via Twitter). Per the report, the return will need to exceed what the team achieved in deals involving Marcell Ozuna (the return in which is still unknown) and Giancarlo Stanton.
In truth, everything written above was anticipated at this point. While there has been some chatter suggesting the Fish would like to keep Yelich and a few other quality veterans, the fact is that the organization is probably best served fully completing the process it began by shopping Stanton and dealing Dee Gordon. Likewise, Yelich’s value has long seemed highest of the members of the Marlins’ once-great outfield.
True, both Stanton and Ozuna dramatically out-produced Yelich at the plate in 2017. But the left-handed-hitting Yelich has a smooth swing with good patience and contact ability along with (some believe) some as-yet-untapped power potential. With high-quality glovework and baserunning mixed in, Yelich has posted 4.5 fWAR campaigns in three of the past four seasons.
The biggest difference-maker, though, is Yelich’s appealing contract. He will be guaranteed $44.5MM through 2021, including a buyout on a $15MM club option for one additional season, meaning that an acquiring team could pick up the rights to all of his remaining prime years for something like the going annual rate for a quality setup man.
As the Marlins’ fire sale continues, it’ll be interesting to see whether other names are put on the block. Catcher J.T. Realmuto is the most intriguing possibility, though others — just-acquired infielder Starlin Castro, fellow infielder Derek Dietrich, first baseman Justin Bour, and starter Dan Straily, especially — seem like they’d draw interest. Plus, the team is still looking to move salary, with players such as Martin Prado, Brad Ziegler, and Junichi Tazawa representing additional possible trade candidates.
Hopefully they bring Ichiro back now that their OF will be a barren wasteland.
just thinking the same thing, sign him and Alex Presley or someone like that
Might help them land Ohtani
What? He signed with the Angels last week!
Why would they bring Ichrio back? He isn’t good anymore.
Neither are the marlins
The batter’s box is a barren wasteland when Ichiro steps into it.
“Do we know the Marlins don’t have a plan?”
“What’s past is prologue. ” – William Shakespeare
Yes we know. Rob Manfred and Derek Jeter are looters wearing hoodies hauling big screens out of electronics stores in Miami. The televisions are sold off and the loot divided 30 ways among the Made Guys.
He’s going to cost a lot
I would love the Cards to get him as well, but i assume if it were to happen it would have been in a package deal with Ozuna.
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They’ll need to redo the stadium surface after all these bombs finish dropping.
It’s a shame and it reminds me of when the expos were dismantled. They had a solid foundation but just lacked the starting pitching. They seemed snake bit in that regard as they could not bounce back from losing Fernandez a couple years back. Honestly, I think if he was still alive, they would have been wild card challengers last year and this upcoming.
You really have to feel for Marlins fans. Regardless of ownership, it’s a constant rebuild. Not saying this ownership are schemers like owners past, but this has to be difficult to swallow if you are a fan of this team.
Yeah but at least this time it seems feasible that after the teardown is complete that the long term prognosis of organization will at least have hope. The Marlins seemingly could have a very good inexpensive young team in four or five years if most of the prospects acquired live up to their potential.
Eeh I was saying the same thing in 2012.. unfortunately they are getting garbage in return and will not be able to field a competitive team now due to dumping all assets for minor leaguers in return :/
I feel for the Marlins because of the terrible park the former (bozo) owners decided to build.
Maybe last year, but under new ownership and past ownership misadventures, not this upcoming season.
Would love for the mets to pick up Prado. Always loved that guy.
Mets don’t spend money. They will just get minor league deals to fill out that team
Someone’s farm system is about to be raided.
Yelich is the player for whom Dodgers should use its top prospect capital. Perhaps even take on Martin Prado’s contract to get a deal done. Adding Yelich let’s Dodgers move Taylor to 2b and trade Forsythe.
Never happen this year with this Front Office. Every legit contender is getting better but LA will stand pat. Although they might bring Darvish back. Go figure.
How has Arizona, Colorado, or Houston gotten better this offseason?
they’ve all signed at least one reliever
The Dodgers were pretty good last year. Hard to see them needing to retool. Not saying they are set but far from falling out of contention.
Indians fan here…someone give me a realistic trade proposal they could make for Yelich. I imagine any trade would start with Mejia or McKenzie, but if they could do something without either of them then that would obviously be preferable.
put yourself in the Marlins position and which players would you accept for Yelich — think big
They Might want both of those 2 for Yelich.
Indians: Yelich, Tazawa
marlins: Mckenzie, Bobby Bradley, Greg Allen, maybe more idk?
who knows what the marlins want
Not even close
alright, I just named 3 top 10 prospects in the Indians organization. That’s enough, maybe a few more pieces involved. It’s close
Start with the #1 and the #2 or #3 prospect, Then add more.
He’s not “that” good to command 2 of a clubs best 3 prospects plus multiple other pieces. There will be options out there that are similar to his skill set if the Marlins want a kings ransom like that.
Not saying they won’t shoot for that but just saying that imo it’d be an overpay unless a clubs 1 2 & 3 aren’t that good
Yes if you add Chen instead of Tazawa, but Indians at huge disadvantage because they can’t take all the salary, while the Phillies could take Chen and Tazawa along with Yelich, therefore lessening the return to Marlins, yet being very attractive for the waletless jeter
probably would be both think eaton+
That seems to be the consensus, and for good reason
The White Sox should go after him, hes exactly the type of long term asset Hahn likes. But would it be worth the cost? The Sox can also take one of their bad contracts, maybe Chen
Just general speculation but maybe a deal of Rutherford, Cease/Dunning, Adolfo, and Adams?
Yelich would cost you MORE than you got for Eaton.
Normally, I would say you’re right. But taking on the 60+ million owe to Chen over the next 3 years would greatly lower the price.
Straight up, it probably takes Robert, Cease, and a lottery ticket. The Marlins also don’t appear to be very savvy at making trades.
As a White Sox fan, probably close. It would definitely take at least what Eaton brought back (younger and also has 5 years of control).
I had the same thought. If the Sox took on Chen or Volquez’s contract I think they could get it done for less than that. It also leaves open the option of trading Yelich again and turning the whole thing into a purchase of prospects.
I wonder if I can get some baseballs or maybe even a Gatorade jug while they’re getting rid of anything not nailed down to the ground
they have some cool fish tanks available.
Yelich to the Astros. Done deal..
The MLB should’ve never allowed them to buy the team if they can’t afford it
I wouldn’t mind Dodgers jumping in! Shoot over Joc
I actually feel bad for the Marlins fan base … This must be really hard on all 5 of them. Honestly, I feel bad for the base. This is garbage. All the team needed was pitching. The MLB should have blocked this sale, if all they were going to do was go right into a full on out fire sale. I hope the fans turn their back on the team, even when they finally do actually complete a “rebuild”
And not just
Be in one … What a disgrace. You stink jeter! I’m not even a Marlins fan!
I think this is the only baseball FO job that Jeter will ever get
as long as he’s part owner, it’s the only baseball FO job he’s allowed to get.
some would say he’s working for the Yankees now
Marlins have 2 World Series championships in the last 20 years. You should probably feel sorry for the 19 teams that don’t have any during that time.
19 teams ? What? LoL
Yep he’s right, 11 teams have won the World Series in the last 20 years. So 19 have not.
Maybe check before trying to make someone look bad…what? LoL.
12..
12 counting the Marlins
And they blew up the franchise each time they won the title as well as the current sale. This is a disgrace to the sport. Contract this franchise since they don’t want to be major league.
I am a diehard Marlin fan and understand the financial moves. They don’t bother me in the least.
What the team needs is revenue. They have the lowest revenue in baseball and that is because of the incompetence of Loria and the people he hired. The smallest TV contract in baseball, the smallest local advertising revenue, the lowest corporate ticket sales & luxury box sales, no ballpark naming rights deal, and the 4th smallest attendance.
With $205 million in revenue, the Marlins can’t have a payroll over $100 million. Even that is pushing it. By 2021 they will have a new TV deal, a ballpark naming rights deal, Jeter and his hires will have had a chance to get out there and sell advertising and increase corporate/luxury box sales and then they will be able to afford a Stanton-like contract. Right now they can’t. There was nothing else they could do but dismantle the team.
Take Franks, Moniak, Kilome, Hernandez, Cozens, and I would say Odubel, but they don’t want to pay him. I’m sold on Aaron Altherr so he better stay. I think people undervalue Altherr because he is a true 5 tool player that hit a go ahead GS against the best pitcher in the world.
Although Marlins should most certainly hold out for a real top prospect in a guy like Sixto Sanchez or say Guerrero Jr.
What makes Sixto more of a “real top prospect” than Moniak? What puts him anywhere near the level of Vlad Jr.?
And Vlad Jr. isn’t going anywhere.
Giving up way too much for Yelich. Who’s Fanks? You mean Franco? No one calls him that. Nick Williams, Kilome and maybe Thompson should do it.
Yelich to the Cubs. Dump the farm for him!
What farm? They’ve been emptying it out for the past two seasons.
C’mon AA, get it done! What would it take. Markakis + Touki + Fried + eating Prado’s salary? Am I way off?
I am a Braves fan and that is not close! Miami isn’t gonna take Markakis in a deal for Yelich. Maybe Touki+Fried+Wentz for Yelich and Braves eating Prado’s contract. But that may still be light..they would prob want 1 of Allard, Soroka or Wright in the deal.
I say Wright, Freid and Pache for Yelich and Prado would be good for both sides.
Yeah, I agree there’d have to be another prospect going their way. Would probably take Soroka. Touki+Wentz+Soroka would be a big blow, but Yelich is worth it in my eyes.
My guess is for Yelich AND Prado (who’s negative value drives down the cost) it would still take Allard, Pache, Wentz and Cumberland (or something similar).
For the record I’m much higher on Soroka than I am on Allard.
I like Soroka better as well. he doesn’t come with any injury history. I think, if the Braves plan to contend in 2018/2019, it would be a good move to try and get a deal done. Would lock up the outfield for the next 5 years and give them enough $$ space to sign a veteran SP and fill 3B if Riley doesn’t pan out.
You are close. Start with whoever is your #1 prospect. Bonus points if he is a pitcher. Then add 2 more from your top 10 if they grade out at a 50 plus. Then add a lottery ticket.
I’d say Albies +Allard+IAM Anderson is closer to reality
I highly doubt Alt would include any position player on the MLB roster except maybe Camargo in a Yelich deal. (Obviously MIA wouldn’t take a bad contract). It would work against them fielding a competitive team now. Maybe a SP though.
Definitely no on Albies. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he accumulated more than 4 WAR all by himself this season. While Acuna has more upside, I’d think Albies is a more of a sure thing (at least to produce in 2018).
Atkins and Shapiro would trade their wives before trading Guerrero or Bichette. If Anthopoulos was still GM with the Jays, he would have traded Guerrero, Bichette, Alford, and Travis for Ozuna, Yelich and Gordon. Or some package like that. He loved veterans, not so much prospects.
Gordon was traded to the Mariners
Perfect time for the young Oakland A’s – just two years into their 1st proper rebuild which started after 2015 (despite misconception, A’s have never properly “Rebuilt,” it is impossible to do so when making the playoffs 1 out of every 3 seasons, and by winning 74 games or more every year from 1999-2014, which resulted in the A’s never having the luxury of top draft picks; prior to 2016/2017 drafting Puk/Beck 6th overall, A’s hadn’t drafted that high since 1998) already, in those two short years adding budding stars at 3B/1B in Matt Chapman and Matt Olson and revamping their Farm System to Top 10 in MLB – to get involved.
Granted, they were targeting 2019 to truly be competitive, but after finishing the 2nd half of 2016 40-40 after calling up the kids (post Sonny, Madson, and Doolittle trades), I think they could really battle for a WC in the AL this season (which would parallel their 2012 season, where they came out of nowhere with tons of immense young talent to win the AL West.)
With that said, Yelich is a stud, young, and on a great contract. With the A’s great farm, they can swing a deal. However, AJ Puk, Lazarito, Austin Beck, Fowler, Mateo, Luzardo, Murphy, and Holmes should all be untouchable (as they are part of the A’s young foundation at their positions) but I think Franklin Barreto is ripe for the taking, given the logjam of prospects A’s have at 2B/SS.
A’s trade Franklin Barreto (#33 in MLB), Logan Shore, Sheldon Neuse, and Greg Deichmann. That may be too light. If so, substitute Deichmann with Jesus Luzardo or Grant Holmes.
A’s 2018 lineup:
1.) Fowler/Boog CF
2) Semien SS
3.) Yelich LF
4) Khrush DH
5) Lowrie 2B
6) Matt Olson 1B
7) Pinder/Joyce RF
8) Matt Chapman 3B
9) Maxwell C
Still…..think the A’s go with more affordable trade route and land Stephen Piscotty, hold onto Barreto and give him a full year audition in 2018 and really see if he is part of the foundation going forward. 2018 going to be fun!
I don’t think Maxwell will be in the lineup to start the year! Prob for the first 50 games or so anyway.
Main stream baseball media needs to pick a story and stick to it…trade home, won’t trade him, trade him, won’t trade him…which is it boys?
One of the top 3 outfields and now its getting torn down, the stanton deal was a joke due to jeters bumblings. The rebuild will be all farm cause i think they will have a hard time attracting free agents after this.
Still have south beach.
The Stanton contract was the joke. Not a single huge long term contract has ever turned out well.
Not true at all. Miguel Cabera’s initial 8-year deal returned more than double the value, Mike Trout’s 6-year deal is still returning massive value. Albert Pujols initial 8-year deal was a steal, and A-Rod’s first 1o-year deal provided surplus value also. Manny’s 8-year deal was a win for the Team also.
If you’re going to make a bold statement – don’t be completely and utterly wrong.
good job pointing out the past contracts but this Stanton one isn’t similar to those
FA don’t matter right now. Name a single World Series team in the last 5 years that built their core through FA. You can’t. Teams have to build their teams now through trades, int’l signings, and the draft. If they build a good core then they will attract FAs to supplement it.
Nightengale got bad info. The Marlins will trade Yelich because there is absolutely no reason to keep him.
My question is:
How are the Marlins going to convince future FA to sign with them if they always see this pattern of dumping players? No one will trust them for years after this.
I wonder how the Marlins manage to trade Wei-Yin Chen and Edinson Volquez?
They don’t need to trade Volquez. He is out for the year and insurance will pay most of his salary. I am sure they are hoping Chen comes out and plays well in the first half so they can trade him mid-season.
Well, they just released Volquez. Its obvious the Marlins are dumping payroll as close to zero as possible. They might try to bundle Chen and Martin Prado with someone now.
Jays get Yelich and Castro and absorbing both contracts
Marlins get pillar, Devon Travis, Sean Reid Foley, and Connor greenee.
Let’s make it happen jays, hey they need another outfielder, DSJ or pomphey to add to the mix
Thats a terrible trade offer
How is that a terrible trade offer? Wtf are the Marlin’s gonna do for the next 5-10 years, it’s called rebuilding. They literally have no outfield, pillar is in the running for a gold glove every year, Travis has time to build with the Marlin’s, real ball park and less turf could turn him around. SRF and Connor greene are almost mlb ready pitchers, which the Marlin’s need for the rebuild, and the jays have a surplus of outfielders in triple AAA
lol it’s an awful trade offer it would take more than Eaton cost the nats. you aren’t even close
Agreed. Yelich is worth far more than that underwhelming package.
I’m not sure what baseball gurus everyone think they are, but trading 1 proven mlb player, 1 toss up, and 3 high level prospects, is a pretty good deal to a team willing to shed some payroll, maybe instead of DSJ or Dalton you put Alford down. Take out Devon Travis and Connor to go for just Yelich. Pillar, Alford, and SRF is a pretty good deal. This kid isn’t the best Of out there, there are better, he’s just really good for jays
Pillar will be a FA before they rebuild. Travis always hurt and close to arb eligible. Prospects are high level but not going to be core material
So 2 top 6 prospects, and 1 top 11 on a team aren’t even in convo for Yelich is what you are saying? The Marlin’s would be dumb not to get rid of Yelich. Bo bichette\Alford for Yelich is the only other deal I see and that’s high for the kid
look at the Eaton trade he’s worth way more than your offering they got the nats 1,2 and 6th best prospects at the time ago Devon Travis has no value at this point can’t stay healthy at all
I’d say the marlins would want more, but there the worst managed team in the league, so who knows.
Ok folks which farm system will be gutted for yelich ? My pick is the Giants
Imo they should hold on to him for now. i mean they need someone to market on the team
lol weren’t you the same guy who said the cardinals would have to gut their farm for Ozuna…Cardinals have plenty left after that trade…although I will say that Yelich should cost alot
I thought they would but maaaan the marlins management is worse than I thought LOL !!
Giants farm system is one of the worst to start with. There isn’t enough talent there to compete package wise with most other teams.
3 guys in past 5 minutes have said that the Marlins will not trade Yelich including Nightengale and Rosenthal.
Jeff Passan is an idiot and always making bull@#$% rumors
Give me a break. Any smaller contract they’re going to keep.
I hope for Yelich’s sake he’s at least dealt out of Miami by the deadline next year.
Frazier and judge for yelich
I don’t know what Buster Olney, etc are whining about. Jeter is functioning like a legitimate executive who can make unpopular, tough decisions and make them fast, and with wisdom behind them. Hes already shown he’s better than most executives who are too afraid to do anything but bow to consensus and popular opinion.
It is all dumb. If they keep the team as it is the best fans can hope for is to get really lucky and get a WC spot. Then the team is accused of not trying to win and being stuck in mediocrity.
Now, if they do what is necessary to rebuild and create a future contender then Jeter is “the worst executive ever” and the owners need to be removed. Have posters learned nothing from the way the Cubs, Astros, Royals, and Indians rebuilt their teams?
The popular opinion was that he should have tried to get something decent for half the team.
So how would Austin Meadows look in Miami. You think they want Gregory instead.
Probably neither. Polanco was a massive disappointment last year and Meadows was even worse.
Meadows still gives them a high upside player who they could play in AAA all next season. I am sure a few mid tier pitchers might need to be added. They want codt controlled staring pitchers well we got 9 near ready in AAA and AA.
medows is a good starting piece but they would obviously need to add more
If yelich goes then Justin bour does too. He’s around 30 and won’t be there long term
Dodgers, givem verdugo,Alvarez,Sheffield, and strippling
close to fair but night need to add bueler instead of Alvarez but that deal could work
Think your job sucks? Imagine if you had to convince Marlin season ticket holders to re-up for 2018? Seriously, how would you pitch that???
Extremely cheap season tickets would still be a hard sell at this rate.
Yelich bour castro is a nice 3-5 in the batting order but it won’t be enough to sell tickets. Not to mention I don’t see one or two of them being with the team on opening day
I’m a pirate fan starling marte and a top AAA prospect for yelich
y would they want marte they want prospects and lots of them
I honestly feel bad for the Marlins. They had a team deserving of the playoffs. Once Fernandez passed, it threw off everything for them. Lost their ace, leaving them with terrible pitching instead of just bad. They could have easily built around that. They just needed to sign pitchers or trade a couple of decent, young pitchers for good veterans. Once he was gone they had to try to replace him (which wasn’t possible because he was a top 5 pitcher in the game). They now have to trade the lineup that they worked really hard for. Very unfortunate…
Just trade him they’ll get a ton of prospects they already set their organization back 5-10 years
Yelich is good but he is not a great player. Might get one top 100 prospect and a couple of lottery tickets. Probably get more if you wait for the trade deadline
better than Adam eaton
There is no reason why Yelich should still be in a Marlins uniform. I totally get what Jeter et. al. are trying to do, but if you’re going for a full rebuild, you have to go all the way. By now trading Ozuna, you’ve basically resigned yourself to not contending until 2020, which is a huge stretch given the lack of talent at the upper levels of the farm system. Realistically, they have a two-year window to win a championship w/Yelich under contract (2021-2022).
So, the question becomes: are those two years worth of Yelich and the possibility of playoff berth(s) worth more than the massive return you would get for him now? In my mind, absolutely not. You could potentially get 20-25 years of controllable (albeit yes, unproven) talent for 5 years of Yelich. If the plan is fully restock the organization, I don’t understand why this is such a difficult question.
Follow the Astros, Royals, Cubs, and (to a lesser extent) Phillies. Blow it ALL up, trade MLB talent, restock the farm, tank and acquire top draft picks, and begin anew. It’s not like you will lose fan support.
Commit to a plan and stick with it.
They had a playoff quality lineup. Just needed a couple of starting pitchers and some bullpen help. Instead MLB sold the team to paupers who had to finance a good chunk of the sale at 14% interest rates with a 3 yr payback in full
Ok….what’s your point? Yes, they had a quality lineup and likely needed at least two more rotation arms to make a dent in the playoffs, let alone get out of the NL East. Now they don’t.
It’s ok if you don’t agree with the strategy or even the new management, but let’s call a spade a spade: this is now a rebuild, whether you like it or not. That’s all that I am saying. And if that’s what the plan is – and the last four days would suggest that’s clearly the case – commit to it. It doesn’t make sense to trade off 90% of your assets and keep the most valuable if you’re purposely trying to start over.
It occurrs to me that MLB could have used the earnings from the MLBAM share sale to Disney and bought out Miami and shut it down and then have a draft for Miamis players. That way owners get about 60 million each in national revenues that were going to Miami and the league saves about 50 million a year in the revenue shared with Miami because they are poor. They increase parity as well
Fans were better off with Loria than these bozos
Free Yelich!
All the marlins will do now is just pocket revenue sharing money which is sad smh. Thank god the Yankees will be under the luxury tax threshold as they are done being an ebt card for teams like the marlins that have cheap owners
LT does not go to Marlins. Yankees still paying 100 million a year in revenue sharing regardless of payroll
I’ve never fully understood the process to be honest. Still going under the tax greatly reduces the amount of money we give to teams. What I’ve always hated is that teams aren’t forced to use it and that needs to change
Wasn’t the whole purpose of the sharing to boost teams payrolls ?
No. The purpose of revenue sharing was to boost profits.
Loria was getting like $60 million a year in revenue sharing and putting every dollar in his bank account. Jeter is now doing the same thing.
The Padres inquiring about Yelich makes a ton of sense. Now if they were to acquire Yelich, then a Hosmer signing starts to make sense. 2 very good “youngish” left handed hitters to go along with righties Myers, Margot. Once Tatis is ready, and he better not be in any offers for Yelich, that is a very nice top of the lineup. “The core” would be controllable for years.
Looks like they might have a major league team with little to no major league talent in 2018. They’re going to be awful.
The Indians could take Chen, there will be room for him as the 5 starter after we trade Salazar to the Cubs for Happ. The Marlins are almost certain to want Mejia in deal for Yelich. If we take all Chen’s money two other prospects like Cheng, Allen, Jones may get the deal done. 2018 Indians line up
CF Yelich
2B Ramirez
SS Lindor
LF Brantley
DH Encarnacion
3B Happ
1B Santana (resign him already!)
RF Chisenhall
C Gomes/Perez
Zimmer plays center and Diaz plays right in Columbus behind starter Clevenger as they provide back up for 17 and get ready to step up to the big show in 18
Yelich for Judge and 1 more prospect. Who says no
The Yankees say no, Cashman may hurt himself falling out of his chair laughing.
They should sign the fans, that should make it more fun than a bunch of AA players losing everyday.