Just days after the Giancarlo Stanton trade saga came to an end, the Orioles reportedly made Manny Machado available and began asking teams around the league for offers on the 25-year-old superstar. Here’s the latest chatter on Machado as the Orioles field interest in the best player in recent franchise history…
- Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic takes a lengthy look at the market for Machado (subscription required and strongly recommended), reporting that trade offers from interested parties improved over the weekend and that a deal could happen this week. Specific details on each club’s offers, of course, aren’t fully known, though Rosenthal reports that the D-backs included young infielder Brandon Drury as part of their package. Rosenthal provides an overview of how seven Machado suitors could make a deal work, though he notes that there’s still a general doubt among his sources that Orioles owner Peter Angelos would green-light a deal sending Machado to the Yankees.
- Dan Connolly of BaltimoreBaseball.com paints a bit of a different picture regarding Angelos, writing that it’s possible Angelos could be swayed into approving a deal sending Machado the Bronx. Angelos, Connolly writes, solicits opinions from a wide array of trusted confidants and advisors — so many so that there are often conflicting opinions. A lack of consensus among that inner circle may have been what ultimately quashed this past July’s would-be Zach Britton trade to the Astros, per Connolly. However, Connolly hears that there’s a general sense within the organization that a deal will get done, and an organizational consensus could dissuade Angelos from interfering with any agreement, regardless of the trade partner in question. Within that same piece, Connolly also explores how the Machado situation could be slowing Baltimore’s other offseason endeavors.
- The Cardinals have been oft-linked to Machado, though president of baseball operations John Mozeliak implied in an appearance on KMOX Sports radio in St. Louis this morning that he’d have a hard time making a deal for Machado (Twitter link via KMOX’s Tom Ackerman). Said Mozeliak: “If you’re trading away two to three prospects that have a combined 18 years of control… for one [year]? That doesn’t sit well with me.” That, of course, doesn’t preclude a deal from coming together — Mozeliak did trade four pieces for two years of Marcell Ozuna — but it does seem to suggest that the Cards would have a hard time deciding to outbid the field to secure the rights to Machado’s 2018 season.
So I don’t know much about Drury, and I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m mistaken, but isn’t he a super-utility type without much bat? Given little proof of hitting ability, alongside inconsistent defense (especially at the keystone), why would the O’s be interested? Flaherty can’t hit, but at least his defense is solid.
I thought the same about him. No way a deal would be centered around him
drury would only be part of the deal-corbin, clarke and maybe brito
Why wouldn’t it?
You ain’t get multi years of manny. You’re getting 1
Because the O’s aren’t looking to give away a player for a marginal return simply because he’s nearing free agency. Can we all take a step back and remember that teams have received top prospects for rentals in the past?
I think we’re all stuck on the low return for Stanton when talking Machado. They’re totally different situations. Machado doesn’t have an NTL. The O’s aren’t looking to rid themselves of a $300 million contract.
Teams are not going to absorb Machado’s estimated $17.3 million contract for one season AND deal their top prospects. Expect a few mid grade prospects at best,
Time will tell… but $17.3 million is nothing to the teams competing for a WS. Yes, they have budgets, but those budgets aren’t going to be disrupted based on one year… $17.3 million for a season is about what Lorenzo Cain is going to sign for.
What if the Cards offer him 325 mil? Why does Machado refuse to listen to an extension?
Yes they will. 17.3 is about half of what his market value would be for 1 season.
I think fans are being too caught up in salary matters. SOME teams may not be able to afford Machado and that’s fine. If you’ve got a certain amount allocated for salary and you want Machado then either pass or fee up some salary space. However, in no situation should Bmore contemplate eating any of Machado’s 2018 salary OR accept less than what’s appropriate in terms of prospects. Now, all GMs value their prospects differently so what Bmore might be happy with might be less than what others might accept BUT they won’t lessen their talent demands because of the $18 mil Machado is due.
Salary should matter most when you have either a “sunken cost” like Ellsbiury or a ;lengthy contract that MIGHT become an albatross with multiple years past their prime being due like Stanton, Pujols, etc
Nobody is worried about his salary. They are worried about giving up multiple prospects for one year.
At the 2016 deadline the Cubs traded for Arnoldo’s Chapman who was a half-year rental on an $11MM contract. Chapman had only eclipsed 3 WAR once in his career.They gave up their #1 prospect; another prospect in the 3-5 range + a serviceable ML reliever and one more minor leaguer.
That’s where the conversation for Manny should start. Yes you’re paying more salary, but you get him for a full year, and he’ll most likely be 5-7 WAR player. He could have the worst year of his career and basically be worth $17MM
Let’s not forget whoever acquires him will 1) have a better shot of signing him long term and 2) even if they can’t, they’ll get a supplemental draft pick.
My reply was directed towards Steve who brought up his 2018 salary as a reason why the prospect cost should be mitigated. I was simply saying that I’m seeing more and more fans factor in salary in trade discussions. It’s relevant in some cases but clearly not all.and not with regards to Machado.
I feel as if a player is worth what someone is willing to pay. I think the Chapman trade is fair to use to exemplify that anything can happen. However, the Cubs had a great team with one or two needs and were clearly headed to post-season and were desperate enough to get that last piece that they traded away their top prospect because he was expendable. They had a still productive Zobrist at the time with young controllable stars to be in Baez, Castillo, Bryant, and Russell covering 2b, SS and 3b. They could afford to move Torres. Whether or not the trade was worth it is debatable. Cubs got their guy and a championship. Had they not, I think the baseball world would’ve lambasted them on the trade which netted the Yanks Torres, Mckinney, Warren and others.
Just to contrast look at what the Yanks gave up for 1 full year of Chapman (not a single top 100 prospect) vs what the Cubs gave up for 1/2 a season of Chapman (a top 5 prospect and a top 100 prospect, plus 2 1/2 years of control of Adam Warren and a fringe prospect in Rashawn Crawford. Reds were sellers mainly due to the domestic violence issue and sold low. Yanks were sellers and sold high.in a red hot market for relievers to a team desperate to win a WS.
Machado’s market is whatever someone is willing to pay. With regards to the Yanks, Stanton will satiate any and everyone who might want us to trade for him now. They can afford to wait for him to become a FA.
I’m not suggesting salary is a major factor, but it’;s still a consideration.
Mainly teams are reluctant to part with top talent for a one year rental understandably
Because he wants a 2 billion dollar contract thru free agency
17.3 million is not anything for a superstar. Most make 20+.
I don’t know why any sane owner would bury themselves in the same hole the Marlins just dug out of.
@102286
Well said. Somebody is going to pay a premium. He’s the kind of guy that could put a team in a significantly better position to win it in 2018. I do think ultimately he will go to a team who already had intentions of being a major player in his free agency. They get an upgrade that is extremely hard to come by being that he’s a franchise type player for a year and a better opportunity to make him your franchise player. I wouldn’t do it but somebody certainly will history seems to repeat itself now matter how many teams are cautious to go for it someone will
Drury has been, to date, a roughly league-average bat that has played second base, third base and both outfield corners. At 25 and with a history of greater performance in the minors, I’d imagine some clubs feel there’s the potential for more offensive growth. He’s pre-arb and controllable for four years.
I can’t imagine Drury as the centerpiece in a Machado trade, but Rosenthal merely said he was in the package — not that it was built around him. Four years of Drury certainly has its appeal, though from the Orioles’ vantage point, it doesn’t help that his best position appears to be second base.
Drury went up through the system at 3B, Lamb blocked him their so he has been playing 2B since 2015/2016. Drury is streaky at the plate but is turning out to be an above average defensively at 2B now.
drury, corbin and clarke and maybe even add brito
I dont see Corbin and Drury let alone 2 prospects in addition..
Machado is a one year rental. Even if you over value him like most home team fans and put a 40-50 Million dollar production value this year that would be roughly what Corbin for one season and 4 years of Drury represent in terms of WAR. This past year Machado was 2.8-3.5, Drury was 1.2-1.6 and Corbin 3.0-2.9 according to fangraphs and baseball ref. Drury not ever improving is worth $34-44Million over the 4 years. I dont think the Dbacks are moving prospects at this point for another rental, their system is pretty rough as it is.. I think this is their last year competing for the division and they are heading into a retool/rebuild in 2019.
At the lowest WAR value Drury and Corbin is $55 Million so a low level prospect would probably be going back to Zona.
he’s got a good bat just medicore Fielding
Drury is a natural third basemen. He played the utility role out of necessity. He swat it in small parks.
I know they aren’t the same player, but people could be looking at how Did turned his Pat around after leaving Zona. I understand that Didi is left handed in Yankees stadium and Drury is Right handed, but his hitting stats could go up playing in the small stadiums of the AL east.
No need to trade away chips when Manny is likely to sign with NYY for 2019 season. I love the prospect of Frazier playing his career in the Bronx, but chances of him being moved for a SP seems imminent, I’d love to see Adams and Sheffield stay put too.
After Tanaka’s season ends prematurely and Sabbathia can’t pick up a baseball after July, third base /shortstop will be the least of Cashman’s worries.
Don’t forget Severinos big innings jump going into 2018 and a possible regression from their bullpen who was pushed to the limits last season
Shhhhhhh! Don’t talk bad about the Yankees!!! They won the offseason!
You salty?
The bitter fans can’t use the whole “buying a championship mantra Anymore so they just spout prayers of injury towards Yankee players. It’s sad
This whole site bashes them on a daily basis for literally no good reason. It’s not the Yankees fault that other teams with billionaire owners don’t want to invest into their team
Lol pretty sure it was Yankee fans saying the same thing about Ohtani and his arm.
Some were and it is just as stupid. Fans in general can be petty
SHHHHHH
Yankee fans are a unique brand of stupid. Maybe its the water. It makes for great pizza dough but it leaves you with brain damage.
I wouldn’t consider myself a bitter fan, more likely having an acquired distain for the Yankees. As a loyal Dodgers fan you can understand why. However, any industry needs its juggernaut. And with the Yankees seemingly entering a rebuilding phase where they would not be in contention, were building their farm system, and ridding themselves of the onerous large contracts that got them into this mess, true baseball fans began to see how a “retool/rebuild” can be done effectively and quickly. It was refreshing to see, not only a sport giant, but an industry giant take a step back and begin to do things the right way. Now that Cashman and Co have decided enough is enough and they will begin to pick and choose which shiny pieces they want most and will help them most, the Evil Empire is back and the Force is stronger than ever. Which if you haven’t noticed, scares the living **** out of every other fan base! Please don’t confuse this for a lack of faith in my own team or that teams like Boston and Chicago are shaking in their boots, as I have been down the darkest tunnels of being a Dodgers fan and never wish to return. But if you look at the prospect of having a revolving door between Red Sox/Yankees vs Cubs/Dodgers in the World Series for the next decade it can’t be fun to be a fan anywhere else. With much respect given to Houston, but the above scenario really proves my point I think. I guess my point is that other teams are spending, but the fans realize it’s probably not going to be enough. So take the bad comments with pride because no one else will come out and give credit to Evil Empire when the Death Star is completely rebuilt with impenetrable defenses restored.
Well that’s a pretty unfortunate whitewashing of all Yankee fans. There are simply so many of them, they have both the most confoundingly stupid fans as well as the most articulate and measured.
Nobody has time to read your novel
The Yankees MUST get Manny Machado. They just MUST !!!!!
I’m not digging this comment at all.
Severino pitched 193 IP not including another 16 in the post-season. I imagine they keep him right around 200 IP next year so I don’t see any problem with that. Regression among young players is always and issue but I don’t think we should expect him to be far off from his 2017 season and might even be better,
Bitter fans like you I have seen all off season. They just can’t except the fact that the Yankees are ran now much better than in years past. These bitter people are literally begging for injury smh
* accept
Stupid time limit to edit ran out smh
As a Jays fan I hated seeing the Yankees get better. Having said that this Yankees team is likeable. The young talent and the fact they added Stanton with roughly the same payroll as last year (after trading Castro and Headley) is nothing short of top notch managing. Cashman deserves a lot of credit. If other teams are willing to take lesser prospects to unload a contract it is not the Yankees fault they can absorb that more than most teams. I for one look forward to watching the Yankees this year. Just hope the Jays can steal a few wins against them.
Adopt a salary cap, then let’s see how much “better ran” the Yankees are than every other team. The Yankees singlehanded ruin the market by overpaying literally every player they sign. Small and mid market teams can longer keep their best homegrown talent because of you greedy $¥£€%!
We don’t even have the highest payroll anymore. These aren’t the steinburner Yankees Anymore
If anyone is to blame it’s texas and that first arod contract
The owners of those small market teams are greedy, wake up !!!!
Let’s see
They have drafted/signed young talent and have been developing them
.got under they luxury tax threshold
.are set up for the long term
Yes they are smartly ran
Fat chance. Jordan would have to give his rings back for that to happen
Look at all the jealous butt hurt yankee haters in this thread. Lol, not the Yankees fault most of your teams have s*cked for years.
Lol. You do know a lot of teams sign their young players now. And do you forget all the 1990s teams were based mostly on homegrown talent. Sorry the White Sox s*ck and have only won ONE WS in the last 80 years
Yanks 1b, 2b, SS, C, RF, CF, 3 starters and all of the bullpen except for Chapman were acquired via trade and none of them made over $10 mil last year except for David Robertson. Yes, there was Ellsbury, Sabathia and Tanaka but the majority of the team was built thru the farm and trades using prospects. Any team can do that if they have the right people.
If the Marlins had not given Stanton too many years and a no-trade clause than there would’ve been many more teams that would’ve been in on Stanton and the Yanks, more than likely, wouldn’t have given up the prospect package that may have been needed to acquire him in a more open trade market.
The Yankees have the second highest payroll. Big whoop.
Hey Pax. Sorry for your life imposed sentence in Flushing. Keep up the faith that you will be released sometime after 2025
Lol. Keep talking trash hater. Who’s ur favorite team
I’d like to keep Frazier too, I don’t think Cole is worth it. I’d rather give Adams and Sheffield a chance to help the rotation
Agreed. The Yankees can get better for Frazier
Yeah, I don’t see Cashman meticulously getting the major league and farm so stocked to then trade for 1 year of Machado when they don’t really need his bat in the line-up in 2018 and have so many well regarded prospects than need to play in Torres, Andujay, Wade and Estrada who are. I can only imagine what kind of haul Bmore would want from NY specifically, seeing as how they are AL East rivals and the owner hates the NY Yankees.
I see the smarter move would be to take 2018 and see what we have in our in-house options at 2b and 3b with a veteran brought in who can play multiple positions. If no one claims 3b then we can look at Machado next year. If he’s traded without an extension in place then I see no reason why he wouldn’t sign with NY, if they go after him. If he’s reluctant to sign as a FA then he probably would’ve waled as a FA anyway and thus prospects were traded for a 1 year rental of a guy we don’t really need.
Manny Machado to the cubs for Addison Russell and mike Montgomery?
Why would Baltimore want them?
Baltimore wants a starter and Montgomery is decent. Russell is an immediate upgrade at 2nd and or SS.
Umm… no. Russell is not an upgrade over Schoop. Also, Russell has a significant injury history going back to his days in Oakland that reared its head again this past season. So no, the Orioles aren’t going to trade Machado for a major injury risk and a “decent” (by your own admission) starter.
Yeah, I had to laugh at the “Russell is an immediate upgrade at 2nd”. I want what that guy is smokin’.
Bmore seems to prioritize young controllable pitchers with a FOR future profile. Montgomery’s AAA numbers at his age are less than impressive. He looks more like a #4 caliber of a pitcher. That’s not bad if he was a rookie and just a complementary piece but not as the best or only pitcher in a deal for Machado.
Kyletaylor- Lmfao okay kid. Name a package of player that “Baltimore would want” from any team in the mlb.
Ok redivy..
(Not that it’s gonna happen) ..but Yoan Moncada and Michael Kopech. There.
THERE’S the package that would have Angelos pull the trigger….but again; ain’gon happen
Soxtober – why would the White Sox give up two core pieces for a year rental when they won’t even be contenders until 2020? That makes no logical sense.
Try again
I do recall an “ain’gon happen”
They would not Red Ivy and he even said so. That was not the point and you know it.
Name a realistic package…
Teams like Philly and the White Sox shouldn’t be in on this guy. Their teams are at least a year off legit contention. The idea that they’re going to get an inside track on Machado in FA is so overblown. Not only is he likely going to the highest bidder, but any inside track those teams hope to create would be created by clubhouse culture and winning. Neither of those teams are going to win. And both those clubhouses are going to look significantly different in 1019 than they do in 2018.
Possible package?
Yanks – Adams and Frazier
Cubs – Russell, Tseng, and Albertos
Dodgers – Urias, Maeda, Ryu
BoSox – Chavis, JBJ
Cards – Reyes, Kelly
Peter Angelos makes moves like that that don’t make sense
It’s like you have a mental impediment that prevents you from reading context in a sentence or paragraph.
Since the article mentions Arizona’s interest, I’d be happy to trade Machado for Lamb and Corbin.
Ummm…
….”Baltimore would want”…..(and here’s the reason for the reply)…
..”ANY MLB TEAM”…..
Your words, sir. I’m just trying to show you a better package than yours
You’re joking right? Russell had a off year last year but the year before he was almost a 100 rbi bat.. last year he had had some off field problems and a injury. He’s arguably a top 2 defensive SS as well.. and for Montgomery, he wants to start. And we all know Baltimore has no starters at all and could use a solid starting pitcher. Montgomery will be a 3.50 era pitcher. Dude is solid. If cubs did offer that, Baltimore wouldn’t think twice. 4 years of Russell plus a few years of Montgomery vs 1 year of Machado? It’s the cubs who should be saying no because they know they have Harper already locked up
And you know the Cubs have Harper locked up… why? Dodgers and Angels will definitely have something to say about that, as will the Nationals. Lerner is a billionaire who doesn’t mind spending his own money (see Werth, Jayson).
Montgomery is so good that the Cubs don’t even want him as a fifth starter…so why would any other team want him as a fifth starter if the cubs don’t view him as a fifth starter?
would need to add another pitching prospect to make that deal happen
The contract control on Russell alone is almost enough to get the deal done for an elite rental in machado. Montgomery is a 5th spot rotation pitcher on 90% of rotations in baseball and is under contract until 2021. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Russell is garbage and not worth Machado lol I’ll take Machado over Russell 10/10 bud
You never know where these negotiations end up- but when you look at elite rentals the past 4-5 years, you notice teams typically get back a single top prospect and then some average to good prospects to fill out the package.
The thought with a Russell proposal is that O’s might not want a full on rebuild (they’re weird). If that’s the case, then taking back a player like Russell who is under team control for four years would replace the spot of the top prospect in the deal.
Again, every trade is unique and based on an unpredictable market, but I don’t see the O’s getting back two elite prospects. So if Russell was in a Cubs proposal, then I don’t see the second player in the deal being more than an average to good prospect.
Addison Russell, Mike Montgermey and a prospect
For
Machado.
Cubs extend for 2 years and 60mil.
2/60?! he is going to get 10/350 in free agency
I know but they won’t do that. So he could easily get 10/350 at 28 years old elsewhere. Bryant will get that same from the cubs.
That’s not even my trade proposal. Ken.Rosenthal suggested that trade on mlbn.
i get the trade proposal…did he also suggest the 2 year extension?
Oh ok so you say hey Machado you can get your money in two years so sign with us for two cheap years? LMAO
Oh so its not even your trade proposal now. You steal it from Rosenthal then when comments are negative you reverse course?
I read his article. Rosenthal did not say anything as dumb as Machado signing a two year extension and for only $60 million. LMAO
Machado will not extend for anything less than 7-8. His contract is projected to be 10 years+ for 300M+. Why would he stop at 2/60 if there’s no security after that? Players take long, heftier deals on the off-chance something COULD go wrong. (see Prince Fielder deal)
Prince fielder didn’t even get paid the whole contract though the tigers only had to pay him half of the remaining contract because he retired. So they and the rangers were off the hook of like 45 and 15 mil. Of a remaining 120mil.
Fielder is getting every penny of that deal. The Rangers are paying a lot of it. The Tigers are on the hook for some of it. And insurance will cover the difference
He’s going to sign only a 2 year extension?
And the O’s want cost controlled, MLB starters.
The Os want the best offer… They aren’t turning down a superior player simply because he’s not a pitcher.
Extend for 2/60 you are leaving in a dreamland if you think that happens.
@wrek305
LMAO … haha … did you say Machado signs a two year extension … hahaha … and for $60 million … haha … $30 million AAV. Lol hahaha
Oh god not this again…first Stanton, then Ohtani—now Machado.
I don’t think it’s nearly as likely Machado will be moved as the possibility of Stanton was (albeit Stanton had an NTC), but the O’s are trying to have some form of leverage on him. Don’t really know how you get a team to agree anything more than verbally that he won’t end up in pinstripes via a trade. That, to me, speaks enough that they will not take that risk on moving Machado until right before the deadline.
That being said, just about any team would want him this season to either flip/contend with, but it would have to be a really decent deal even for a one year rental. I don’t see the flip returning much more value than you’d have to give up. (Unless you get him to sign an extension).
Every post about Machado includes a quote about the owner and the yankees. Ok I think we have established that point by now fellas. Its not groundbreaking news for teams not to trade with direct competition in the division. Let’s move on
The Yankees angle has nothing to do with intra-division trades. Dan Duquette has flatly said, on the record, that he’s fine trading within the division.
The question of whether the team’s owner would veto a deal to one of the clear best fits for Machado (the Yankees) is a major component of the whole scenario.
“Machado as the Orioles field interest in the best player in recent franchise history…”
Steve.. Slight disagreement here since generally agree with most things you write.
Did you forget about the great Frank Robinson? machado hasn’t come close to his numbers Robbie put up during his 6y in his 5 with the O’s and not to forget Robbie is a long time HOF member.
Not sure Frank qualifies for recent franchise history. He last played for the Os over 40 years ago.
Maybe johnsilver is really, really old, and 45 years ago is actually ‘recent’ to him.
The keyword here is “recent”.
They can say that all they want but they are lying to themselves if it doesn’t factor in. If they have similar offers they, like every other team, will choose to get the player out of the division and preferably out of the AL. Just dont see the need to continue to bring it up
Mozeliak probably wins dumbest comment by a gm this off season……
2 to 3 prospects combine for 18 years of control? uh, team control doesnt work that way…….combined they each have 6 years of control. team control doesnt add up. theyre not going to each be cardinals for 18 years. min each is a cardinal for 6 assuming they reach FA.
You’re giving up 6 years whether its 3 4 5 10 prospects not 18 or more years.
It’s the same as man hours. If 3 people work 8 hours each on the same project, they say it took 24 man hours. They will each give the team 6 years playing for the team.
It is 6 years of team control from an MLB level (Until they can become an FA). Combined, it would be 18 years.
I got beat to the reply. 3 prospects with 6 years of control each would equal 18 years of control. plus the prospects may not all hit MLB level at the same time so they could be more than 6 years anyhow. Thanks for playing.
Uh, 3 X 6 is 18! That’s what Mo was meaning.
wow people are really bad at understanding context.
the cardinals are not getting 18 years worth of service. LOL
6 x 3 is 18 but the context doesnt make sense cause theyre not getting 18 years from the players. theyre getting 6 years, minimum.
player a, b, and c are not spending 18 years say 2018 to 2036 as a cardinal.
just cause player a spends 6 years, player b spends 6 years, player c spends 6 years doesnt mean they cumulative just spent 18 years playing for the cardinals……
no they spent 6 years.
ffs, no wonder people are bad at math. they dont get contexts.
But it’s still 18 years of player years for the Cardinals orginization ! It means total player service time! I think you missed the context.
Aside from your bad math, Mozeliak isn’t the Cardinals’ GM — he’s the President of Baseball Operations. Mike Girsch is the GM.
Only way the Cards are seriously involved is if the Orioles give a window to negotiate an extension.
But manny can easily tell the cards during that window that he isn’t interested in an extension which would be a waste of a trade for the red birds (after 2018 of course)
if the extension did not go through, then the trade doesnt go through. kinda how that works
Markakis and a couple of prospects for a year of Manny in ATL? Gives the sentimental fans their reunion and the O’s can get a couple pitching prospects to gain some value? Not gonna throw out names because its a crappy trade either way because you pretty much know that Machado wants to get to free agency to run his price up and who can blame him. But wouldn’t mind seeing him play 3rd for a season to help make up for the power we lost in Kemp.
Didi, Abreu and Betances for Machado and Britton..The Orioles get a top notch SS to replace Machado and the good pitching prospect they are searching for and the Yankees can give Machado a taste of playing in New York while playing his preferred position.. I know the Yankees are overpaying for only one year of Machado but he should be the prize that they chase next year and it is worth the risk.. If he leaves they can move Torres back to SS and will still have Andujar for 3rd.. They will still have to pick up a solid option for 2nd for this year while waiting for one of the prospects to distinguish themselves..
I included Britton and Betances since the latter has a couple of years of control left and I don’t think Baltimore will push him for innings as bad as the Yankees have.. Plus, a bullpen with Britton, Chapman and Robertson would be (although very expensive) a sight to see..
I know it is a pipe dream to think Machado could be traded to the Bronx but if they offered something like this the Orioles would have to accept.. Of course, the Yankees would have to basically give Gardner away to someone for lottery tickets to offset the salary but Frazier has had plenty of work in CF in the minors and would be on hand if Hicks proves last year was a fluke..
Why give up all of that for 2 one year rentals that we don’t even need ? Di di has more value than machado right now due to his talent and team control
pass. If I’m Cashman I’m going to not offer anything of significance for Machado given the high probability he hits the open market.
Even if he doen’t hit the open market or the Yankees don’t sign him as a free agent if he does it isn’t the end of the world.
Horrible deal. Didi had a great year and he’s under control at a cheap price. Yes, Machado is a better talent but he did not have a better year than Didi. did offensively.
I can’t see the Yanks moving Didi to acquire Machado.to play SS. Still, I would think the Os would want a prospect as opposed to DIdi w/ only 2 years of control left..He doesn’t figure in their long term plans.
Curious, other than pitching what other position prospects might they be interested? 2b, SS, 3b, etc
I feel bad for O’s fans. I made a Rangers road trip to Baltimore a couple of years ago and really enjoyed the ballpark, the city and the people I encountered.
The one thing that bothered me was the low attendance to their games and they were contending for a playoff spot. Angelos won’t be able to give tickets away once Machado is gone.
I’m a Red Sox fan and also feel bad. We’ve had some good and heated games with them over the last few years, and as a fan of both baseball and my team, that’s what it’s all about. Wish the fans in Baltimore would get a pitcher or two that would actually help them and shore up the roster a bit. They’ve had some opportunities to be really competitive but just don’t seem to go after the players that would really help them. I agree that once Machado is gone they’re going to have a difficult time keeping the more casual fans involved.
A number of years ago Camden and Wendy’s had a promotion where if you just brought a receipt from Wendy’s [any!] you got admittance to the game. Stadium would still peak at half full.
As an Orioles fan I am sad to see him go. A young superstar that is going to be dealt for hopes and dreams. Sure the hopes could become an ace starter or the dreams could be an all star players… but they also could be flops like so many before.
Good luck Machado. I hope you go to Colorado. My Fantasy Team would enjoy it.
Prospects = Lottery tickets. Sure,maybe 18 years of control, but maybe 0. Manny maybe 5 WAR surplus value best case for 2018. thats 40 million surplus value. Maybe he loves the team and city during his one year like Chapman in NY and decides to stay. Maybe
Angels have won the off-season —so far
But Houston will win the division
Barring injuries. You always have to include to CYA!
Yankees & Angels are 1 & 1A. Both teams made great leaps toward the 2018 season. Still a lot of off season trades and FA signings to go.
Angels are not close the Stros yet. Their lineup still isn’t as good and their pitching isn’t good enough.
Improved? yes quite a bit. Wild card contender? yes Division Winner? not yet.
Tim Mcollum, I wouldn’t say that just yet. On paper, sure the Astros are better. But next season is a new season, you nor anyone has a clue how or what will unfold.. Springer gets injured? Keuchel injured again? Who knows who else may get Injured. Plus the thing u totally forgot about is the world series hangover.. look at previous winners. Didn’t go that great the following years. Cubs barely hung on last year after being by far the best team in 2016
Houston played a couple of months with all their starters on the DL. Fiers was their top pitcher those months. Springer and Correa were both on the DL for significant time. They still had no issue winning 100 games.
While I praised Mozeliak for not signing Stanton’s rediculious contract. I praised him for signing Ozuna. However, he did dumpster dive on Gregerson, according to the Astro fans. Prospects are just as the word says. Prospects are unproven MLB players. Most never will have one year of success as much as Machado will this season, barring injuries. He is proven and established!!! Mozeliak needs at least one more power bat and high rbi man. Machado is just sitting there. Abreau would be great, but how much talent would have to be given up for him. I sure do hope, in his mind, Mozeliak thinks just by getting Ozuna, his offensive and defensive problems are solved. Machado at ss, with DeJong at either 2nd or third Is a good idea. Please don’t go back to your old ways of dumpster diving and collecting low hanging fruit that spoils by the end of the year Mozeliak.
Machado will be advised against anything but playing out current contract and being a free agent next year. He’s going to be a 1-year rental with less return unless the Yankees or Dodgers are allowed a window to negotiate. They are likely only clubs that would approach a number that would secure him long term ahead of free agency and allow Baltimore to receive more value in trade. LA more likely to offer big. White Sox playing with fire. But rumor Manny sees himself in pinstripes. Angelos might do NY deal if he feels he’s raiding Yanks farm. Year 1 of 10 year deal to allow NY to stay under cap, backloaded-no-trade escalating possible albatross of a contract, Andujar, Adams and either Florial or GTorres would have to go. Don’t see it happening, too many things have to fall in place.
Yankees would be stupid to give up a boatload for Machado. There is no way he doesn’t hit the market after this season, so if the Yankees really want him they can sign him in free agency without giving up the prospects unless any trade they want to make will be contingent on Machado signing an extension.
I don’t think Machado will sign with the Yankees next year. He wants to play SS going forward and the Yanks already have a good one, with more on the way. I bet Yanks go after Harper or maybe a couple guys one level down, like Charlie Blackmon, rather than Machado.
I think the whole I want to play SS thing is to make him more valuable on the open market. SS’s who can hit like him are more valuable than 3B that can hit like him.
While I’m not convinced he’ll end up a Yankee either if he doesn’t it won’t be because of playing SS or 3B. It’ll be because either the Yankees choose to sit it out or if they get outbid.
I don’t think he will sign with the Yankees for different reasons. Machado will probably get $35 per season AAV. between him and Stanton that would be $60 million on two players. Not smart to designate nearly a 3rd of payroll to two players, especially considering judge could be up for monster contract of his own i the middle of Stanton and Machados contracts.
moreover they’d be foolish to make ANY trade for him. Even give away prospects can be used for someone that won’t be a near certainty they can at least try to sign next off season.
You could build a whole city on the tops of machados ears.
GTorres wouldn’t happen because they have said no to top-end talent with more years of control for him. I’m not as high on him and think there is too much hype around Torres, but the Yankees have repeatedly turned down offers so it is hard to see him moved for ANY rental.
For a long time, I thought Orioles should retool for later years but I have changed my position now. They have one year control of Britton, Machado, Jones, and Brach and two year control of Trumbo and O’Day. They still need starting pitching but their offense will survive. I say give it one last shot. If you decide to trade Machado, then you go all the way and trade Britton, Jones, etc also. Aim for WC spot. Once you win one game, anything can happen in a 5-7 game series.
Once you win the WC game? What if you lose the WC game? Then what. All those players are gone for almost nothing and your farm system already stinks.
But sure. Go for it. Have fun. Good luck even sniffing the WC game.
I get that there is downside that might take a toll for few years but realistically speaking how soon Orioles can contend again if they trade their assets now.
Could the O’s trade Manny and after season resign him. Dump jones, trade britton, etc. Could they trade davis after this year just to get rid of contract? Extend Schoop and rebuild around these two? Manny’s prob too expensive but i dont want to see him gone.
Jones seems like such a Baltimore guy now that it will be tough to see anyone else play CF for them.
Of course the technically could resign him
surprised the red sox arent in on him
I don’t see how any team would give 2 good controllable starting pitchers for 1 year of Machado. I don’t see him getting traded at least until this summer’s trade deadline.
I feel bad for the O’s. Looking to trade your best player has to suck. Something wrong with MLB there I believe, so be it. More compensation needed when you lose a top tier player.
They have been so close for a while now. Long batting lineup, one of the best closers.
I love Manny Machado as a one year rental
Any team trading for him would be smart to get the deal done by the beginning of the season. Hypothetically, if a team going for a world series championship in 2018 traded three top prospects for Manny now, they could come out of the deal with a world series trophy and 1-2 top prospects (based on the QO).
If I was a team like the Nationals who could theoretically be nearing the end of their competitive window, I would certainly be interested in him if the cost was say two top ten and a top 15 organizational prospects taking Robles off of the table, like I’m talking Fedde, Soto and Voth (I don’t know if that’s what does it, it’s really just an estimate).
Let’s say the Nats lose Harper, Machado and GIo Gonzalez to free agency next season and have QO’s on all of them, they have a considerable amount of draft selections in the 2019 draft, and plenty of money off the books to begin building the next core around Robles and a world series trophy in DC.
I hope this doesn’t happen, because as a Phillies fan, I despise the Nationals, however this would be a very shrewd business move for Rizzo and co. to pursue.
I don’t know why any sane owner would bury themselves into the same hole the Marlins just dug out of.
Machado to the A’s for Barreto, Luzardo, and Holmes
Move Semien to 2B, trade Lowrie and the A’s have a great lineup
Machado
Olson
Chapman
Davis
Piscotty
Fowler
Joyce/Pinder
Maxwell
Semien