TODAY: The move is official, with Miami announcing it.
YESTERDAY, 5:05pm: The Marlins will also receive pitching prospects Zac Gallen and Daniel Castano, per Spencer (Twitter link). Gallen, a 22-year-old righty, ranks as the Cardinals’ 13th-best prospect at MLB.com. The outlet did not rank Castano among the Cardinals’ top 30 prospects, on the other hand. The 23-year-old left-hander, a 19th-round pick in 2016, spent last season at the low-A level and posted a 2.57 ERA, 8.01 K/9 against 1.29 BB/9 and a 51.9 percent groundball rate over 14 starts (91 innings).
4:35pm: Sierra is in the deal, Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald reports on Twitter.
1:54pm: There are three other prospects in the deal, Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets. But those are lesser assets and Alcantara is considered the centerpiece of the swap.
1:12: Young righty Sandy Alcantara is going to Miami in the deal, Jon Heyman of Fan Rag tweets. Goold had mentioned his possible inclusion; Alcantara was slated to join the Fish in the scuttled Stanton deal.
Alcantara, 22, reached the majors briefly in 2017 as a reliever, but he’s seen as a high-ceiling starting prospect. Over 125 1/3 Double-A innings in his first attempt at the upper minors, Alcantara posted a 4.31 ERA with 7.6 K/9 and 3.9 BB/9. We did not learn much from his first eight appearances in the majors, but Alcantara did show a 98+ mph fastball and generated swings and misses at a robust 17.4% rate.
12:49pm: It sounds as if young arms will make up a significant part of the return, with Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweeting the package will include multiple pitchers and a position player. Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch adds some more detail, saying the Cards “offered a pitching prospect as the centerpiece of a deal” and that an outfielder will be among the players changing hands.
12:06pm: The Cardinals have struck a deal to acquire outfielder Marcell Ozuna from the Marlins, according to Craig Mish of MLB Network Radio (via Twitter). MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez confirms the move on Twitter but notes it is pending a physical. Indications earlier today were that the deal was moving closer, and it has evidently now been completed.
Ozuna, who turned 27 earlier in the offseason, is projected by MLBTR to earn $10.9MM in his second-to-last season of arbitration eligibility. At his age and with his track record of productivity, that’s a bargain rate of pay — which, no doubt, will be reflected in the still-unknown trade return for Miami.
While the teams had attempted to line up on a deal for slugger Giancarlo Stanton, those efforts were nixed when Stanton declined to waive his no-trade clause to go to St. Louis. But the talks weren’t for naught: they also paved the way to today’s reported agreement on Ozuna, who has no trade protections.
The Cardinals have looked far and wide for bats this winter as they seek to consolidate a broad group of talent into a few more premium lineup pieces. Ozuna certainly represents the top-end bat they were in search of — at least, that is, so long as he can replicate something like his 2017 output.
In the just-finished campaign, Ozuna drove the ball out of the yard 37 times, carried a personal-high 9.4% walk rate, and ended with an appealing .312/.376/.548 slash line over 679 plate appearances. That’s a big step forward for a player who had hewed closer to league-average production over his prior two seasons.
Beyond the fact that Ozuna has not yet repeated that level of output, there are a few other slight red flags. He carried a .355 BABIP that’s unlikely to be replicated and was perhaps a bit fortunate to send 23.4% of the fly balls he hit out of the park. On the whole, though, Ozuna has always been considered a player with the talent for this sort of dominance, and his healthy 39.1% hard-hit rate shows he was rewarded for making good contact.
It’ll be interesting to see how the Cards plan to utilize Ozuna, who has previously spent time in center field but shifted to the corner in 2017. He graded quite well upon the move and has at times done the same up the middle. That leaves the team with a variety of players who could be described similarly in regard to their glovework.
Odds are, the Cardinals will plan to give primary time to Ozuna, Tommy Pham, and Dexter Fowler. Perhaps which player plays center is less important than the fact that the club will feel it has three useful defenders on the grass. Regardless, that would leave Stephen Piscotty and Randal Grichuk among those looking at possible reserve duty.
More likely, one or both will be traded. Piscotty and Grichuk, after all, both hit from the right side — as do the three top outfielders (with Fowler representing switch-hitting option who fares better traditionally from the right side). Indeed, the Cards could move yet more pieces from a 40-man roster that is full of right-handed-hitting outfielders, some of whom could be included in this trade. The only southpaw-swinging outfield bat currently on hand is youngster Magneuris Sierra. He might be destined for some added seasoning, so perhaps it’s not inconceivable that St. Louis could end up seeking another reserve piece that hits from the left side or perhaps look for creative ways to boost the functionality of the team’s infielders.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
yukongold
Does Jeets swing and miss again?
a1544
Dumping 90% of a $300 million contract is a whiff? Yikes. Tough crowd
mcmillankmm
I think the overall consensus is that the Marlins lost the trade
a1544
not to them if their goal was to clear payroll
shoheiohtahnyy
The goal was dump salary, not get a haul back.
MB923
That’s the consensus of the fans. But it’s easy for fans to say. They’re not the ones paying him the money.
hiflew
The fans DO pay the money. The owners aren’t paying them out of their own pockets. The fans pay all salaries through tickets, memorabilia, TV packages, etc.
justinept
The fans do not pay for the salary. That’s an outdated model from a time when the majority of a team’s revenue came from tickets, merch, and concessions. The 2017 model is dominated by TV revenue.
When it comes to TV, the fan pays for almost none of it because the Tv model is more interested in a fan as a product than as a consumer. A team like the Dodgers gets $350 million per year in tv revenue and are broadcast on a station that most fans can’t even access. Why? Because the fans that can access the channel have a lot of money, making them extremely valuable advertising targets.
weekapaug09 2
They’re also not the ones who made a billion dollar purchase they couldn’t really afford.
MikeyB
Agreed. However fan tax dollars paid for the new stadium on the premise the bi-annual sell off of talent would cease.
The White Sox dumped a ton of salary last year and managed to acquire high end prospects in the process. I recognize the Marlins were somewhat handcuffed by the public nature of the vetoed trades but they still should have gotten a better return in terms of prospects.
brucewayne
Not true ! Fans only pay a very small percentage. Most of the money comes from advertising dollars that is earned in these huge TV deals! Get out of the print age
brucewayne
and into the digital age. It’s a whole new ballgame these days. It’s all corporate big business !
driftcat28 2
I think the Marlins did great. They needed to shed salary with their massive debt. Now they can build the team. It was a win win trade
thetruth 2
How could they have gotten better players when they had no leverage?
frankf
True, true, but often forgotten in this day and age of moneyball is that professional sports is above all a form of entertainment. Your fans are your audience. If you want to make money, you need your audience. If your audience begins to evaporate, the advertising and TV money are bound to follow. If you want to keep your audience, you have to give them a palatable show.
I’m a huge Cubs fan, and I was on board with the Epstein plan from the start. But The Cubs are a different animal from the Marlins. The Cubs can afford a few lost seasons and still sell tickets. The Marlins, not so much.
socraticgadfly
My personal consensus is that Manfred should do a Bowie Kuhn and put some eyeballs on the trade: socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2017/12/rob-manfred-an…
Dave 32
Advertising is a teeny weeny tiny portion of the money the Dodgers get from their TV channel.
You pay a fee every month if you’re in the market that carries the channel whether you watch it or not. The Dodgers get the bulk of that fee. (in NY it was around 5 bucks a month for YES, for example).
Add that up to the millions of people in the markets where the channel exists, and that’s how the Dodgers get the money and what it really means to be a large market vs a small market and why say STL has large market money because they get Fox Sports Midwest on basically every cable lineup in the entire midwest south of Wisconsin and north of Texas. (it’s also why the Braves with TBS should be a massive massive market, but have screwed that up over the last couple decades instead of cashing in and being the team with the absolute most coverage in the country like they were in the 80’s when The Superstation and WGN were the only two cable channels you could get most places).
outinleftfield
I would say from all the downvotes that the consensus doesn’t agree with you.
brucewayne
What do you think drives TV ? Where the revenue comes from? From ADVERTISING ! So you are WRONG when you say it’s just a small part of the money. That’s how they can give a Billion dollar TV contract to these teams is BECAUSE of the advertising revenue!
mboss
The White Sox did not unload a ton of cash, that’s the reason they got back so much for Sale, Eaton, Qunitana. Each of them had way below market value contracts. I don’t think that between all three of those players that they make as much as Stanton per year.
z3rogs
I think you’re confused. That money still comes from the fan base. If there weren’t fans that deal would not exist. It just follows a different path.
outinleftfield
They can afford it. We know that much because they were allowed to purchase it.
They just need to have a major league payroll under $100 million for 2018 and possibly 2019. Right now the Marlins have just $205 million in total revenue, the lowest in baseball. Which is why they are trading big salary players for prospects now.
That doesn’t mean the future is bleak for them. They will have a new TV deal in 2021 and a new ballpark naming rights deal before that. Based on TV contracts for teams adjusted for market size and previous naming rights deals, those two alone will increase revenue by $80-100 million per season and MLB payroll will go up proportionately.
wfn2
“the fans that can access the channel have a lot of money, making them extremely valuable advertising targets”. So from your own quote, yes, the fans do pay the salary. Without the fans watching the games the owners don’t make the money to pay the players. Clearly Miami isn’t doing right by its fans right now, and the money could quickly dry up as a result if they don’t do something right.
InPolesWeTrust
Dead on. Well played sir.
InPolesWeTrust
Rollie looked good in that Sox uniform for 3 days….
brucewayne
Most of the money comes from corporate America! Like I said earlier , big business drives sports!
cubbiepatriot21
Then they failed to get enough high ceiling, low floor prospects back for perennial All Stars. these salary dumps are pretty pathetic from a fan of the game perspective. How poor is the team ownership that they have to shed so much salary so quickly?
andyb
it’s great for the owners, but they traded a future hall of famer in his prime for peanuts. Tough to sell to the fans.
SimonSwings
Future hall of famer…Ryan Howard isn’t a probable hall of famer.
chris5
When he still has a few million to pay and all he has to show for it are two lower prospects for the NL MVP, yeah it’s a whiff.
mcdusty31
A few million?
outinleftfield
The Marlins cleared a minimum of $265 million in payroll and they got one of the Yankees top 10 prospects, a pitcher who throws 102 MPH and has a plus plus slider as well. In addition, they got a 28-year-old, 2 WAR 2B who hit .300/.338/.454/.792. last season that they can turn for more prospects.
The Yankees got a great player and $265 million they have to pay him. The Marlins got rid of $265 million in payroll commitments and good YOUNG players. It would take a complete lack of understanding of what happened to try to say that the Marlins lost that trade.
cubbiepatriot21
Who may turn into nothings. You are talking g prospects for an MVP. Castro is a good player, but MVP for one possible contributor? Sure, point to one dude’s Salary to justify a other’s stats. Losing MLB MVP stats for a farm arm.
jdodge22
Yes if you’re not getting anything in return. Anybody could get rid of these guys for nothing. Stanton deal was awful for the fan base. He didn’t have to do that. He could’ve traded him later. He hooked the yankees up
a1544
false. they wouldve had to pay him if they waited
fathead112805
He would have opted out…they could have afforded to keep him the next 3 yrs and he would have left willingly
vtadave
Given he’d be 31, opting out of 7/218 with his injury history is FAR from a guarantee.
outinleftfield
@fathead112805 If the Marlins kept Stanton, they would have had to trade away the entire team other than him in order to meet payroll, and they would not have been able to win even if they kept everyone. They needed 3 good starters and at least 2 relievers to be competitive.
If they kept Stanton ad he opted out, the Marlins got nothing. This way they got an above average starting 2B (2 WAR), a prospect that throws 102 MPH with a plus slider, and a 3rd prospect. That is miles better than nothing.
southbeachbully
Yes but they would’ve wasted $75 mil on him while being a horrible team and when he did opt-out they get nothing but a future draft pick. Moving him was not an easy task but at least it was proactive.
brucewayne
How do you know he would’ve opted out? Did you get that crystal ball fixed?
jacobywankenobi 2
They also got a young starter that throws 101-103 and an all-star 2nd basemen they can either play or trade.
yukongold
Mvp? Hit 59 homers? Yes. Huge whiff. Especially when 5 war player Machado is going to get 300+
Regi Green
Machado is gonna be a 26 yr old free agent though, not 31. Those extra 5 years make a big difference.
sandman12
The Marlins will be dumping 100% of salary if Stanton opts out
Black Ace57
The Marlins traded a guy who had a $300m contract and would only accept a deal to 4 teams and 2 of them weren’t even interested. What did people expect the Marlins to get?
Also, the Marlins have plateaued as a non-playoff team, have one of, if not the worst farm system in baseball, and don’t have much more money to spend. Clearing payroll and rebuilding is the only viable path.
MB923
It appears some Marlins fans excepted the Yankees to give up Torres, Frazier, Sheffield, Adams + 1 or 2 others And pay all of Stanton’s salary.
Meanwhile…..the Marlins had a deal in place with 2 other teams including the Giants who have a terrible farm system, and all the Giants offered was 2 Top 10 prospects (which is maybe Top 20 prospects on most other farm teams) and offered to pay $230 million (and the Marlins Agreed to it and he would have been a Giant if he didn’t have a NTC (or a Cardinal).,
damon389
They never had any business in signing Stanton to that contract to begin with. They hoodwinked their fans, and ultimately got next to nothing other than freeing them of their idiocy to begin with. Jeff Loria is the gift that keeps on giving.
EndinStealth
Loria is one of the worst things to happen to baseball. HE should get a lifetime ban.
MikeyB
As a former Montreal Expo fan, I second this!
brucewayne
What does Stanton signing a huge contract
brucewayne
and hoodwinking the fans have in common ? Please enlighten us ! Cuz you’re not making any sense.
Adam6710
Even as a Yankee fan I was sure Cashman would have to part with more and better prospects than what they gave up.
That said, Jeter & the Marlins were backed into a corner and made the best deal they could.
dmarcus15
Jeffery Loris should receive a lifetime ban from baseball ruineed the expos then the Marlins
brucewayne
Who is this Jeffery Loris you speak of? Just goes to show that you really don’t know what you’re talking about huh?
Michael corbett
I am done with mlb. First the yankees get the best offensive player in mlb for nothing. Now cards get ozuna for nothing. Shame on the president of mlb and all the owners for letting mlb baseball become a pawn shop, just like boras said. This is why I’m done with this sport
brucewayne
They didn’t get these guys for NOTHING! The Marlins are getting what they were trying to get ; which is payroll flexibility ! Plus players on top of that . It’s called a rebuild !
stymeedone
You can’t rebuild if you are not getting comparable talent back. Did the Marlins get $300 MM in talent back? The consensus is that they gave up talent worth $300 MM. It’s not a rebuild. It’s a teardown.
MB923
They got $265 mil + Castro + 2 prospects including a top 10 who is now their number 3. So yes , they did.
Rob66
No, they got almost 300 mm to spend. They could get 5 60mm guys that would give them a more competitive team, not just on 1 player.
brucewayne
They cleared the payroll of all that money , which in turns gives them opportunity costs to sign
brucewayne
cheaper players
brucewayne
and to be able to develop
brucewayne
and keep them longer . So they did get equal back in the long run!
Ken M.
Who did they make that check for $265M out to?
brucewayne
Do you have any idea what opportunity costs even mean?
CJ81
Alcantara and sierra are 2 pretty good prospects. It’s 2 top 10 guys from cardinals which would be 2 top 5 guys from some other clubs. But yes overall I agree Marlins are setting themselves back 5 years without anyone too exciting on the horizon.
bigcubsfan
Did anyone ever say what the trade was? All I have heard is Ozuna for maybe Alcantara and other players. What is the official trade?
bigcubsfan
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP ALL THE WAY AT THE BOTTOM !!!! WHY?!?!?!?!?!
themed
This reminds me of any typical cub fan around the country.
rmullig2
Give him a break. It was his first day.
marlinsman
Woo-yee
gray
edit: from the Marlins.
MooseMichaels
They need at least one more bat just to make sure they have protection around him.
HalfAstros7
How about sign Hosmer now?
MB923
Isn’t their infield full already with Carpenter/Wong/DeJong/Gyorko?
Brixton
Dejong’s underlining stats kinda suck, he could always be moved to a utility role.
matthew_lepp
They also have injury issues in the infield and have players that can play multiple positions
timm-2
nah Carpenter isn’t really good anywhere specifically and Gyorko isn’t really the answer at 3b.
brucewayne
Gyorko led the Cards in homers
brucewayne
and was very good defensively before he got injured . Plus cheap contract with Padres paying $2 million a year of it. He’s underrated !
belkiolle
Because every infield starter they have from last year is better than Hosmer. That is why you don’t sign Hosmer.
CardsNation5
No, DeJong did
RedFeather
Donaldson or Moustakas and Colome
driftcat28 2
Maybe a Longoria trade? Or Hosmer deal
mrmariner
Dang The Marlins should have a good farm system by the end of the offseason
sss847
they should, but they won’t.
tim815
harsh
soggycereal
true
ethanecho10
The cardinals got Ozuna from the cardinals what lol
gray
Now if the Cards can get Yelich I’ll be real happy.
EndinStealth
Don’t need him.
dynamite drop in monty
“The Cardinals have struck a deal to acquire outfielder Marcell Ozuna from the Cardinals, “
I must be at the nexus of the universe!
metsfan31
Haha I saw that and laughed, gotta love the writers
sddew
I think Jeter just said, I’m staying out of it…take whatever you believe is fair!! 🙂
cloud9ine
It also says the Marlins will start Pham, Fowler, and Ozuna. That’s one way to have your cake and eat it too!
CompanyAssassin
Thank god, I was worried it’d never happen
cardfan2011
YAS but now Im wondering what they gave up
brucewayne
I think it’s heavy on pitching . Prob Alacantra
brucewayne
and Flaherty
brucewayne
and either Bader or Grichuk.
Houston We Have A Solution
Bader and Hudson or Flaherty are probably involved.
EndinStealth
My guess is Alcantara, Flaherty and Grichuk
brucewayne
I think u might be right! If not Grichuk, then Bader instead.
CardsNation5
Alcantara, Sierra and two other minor leaguers
neworleanstaints
Smart move by them. Gotta trade for players with no trade clauses so they can’t avoid moving to St Louis lol.
seth3120
I hope you aren’t actually from New Orleans making that statement lol
nop990
pretty impressive to acquire a player from your own organization
omahamadness
For being project to be an “active team” this offseason, they sure haven’t done much yet.
cardfan2011
neither have a lot of other teams.
JFactor
This is like the second big trade of the winter. Give it a minute.
dgid
Great add
CompanyAssassin
My guy craig mish getting the break finally also
The_Porcupine
So much for their interest in Machado.
sufferforsnakes
So the Cards traded him to themselves?
GoNutzdonuts
Now my Padres can go get Yellich or Hosmer along with Cozart… Cool
EndinStealth
No, no, no…. anyone else?
Padres2019ha
Your mom, possibly, maybe?
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
that would be so so stupid on thier part
SixFlagsMagicPadres
Yelich would be nice, but the prospect he’ll cost will not be nice.
jkinser20
As long as Flaherty Weaver and Reyes are not included in the deal I’m happy
seamaholic 2
Betcha you won’t be happy.
matthew_lepp
I bet one of them had to be in it and my guess would be Flaherty
EndinStealth
Certain Flaherty is in it.
Tommy917
And? Who are cards giving up?
kla2019
So the Cardinals traded with themselves? Lol
AaronCards
Now if they can just get another bat or a solid closer.
brucewayne
I think the Cards should sign the switch-hitting Carlos Santana to play 1B. Then add some more bullpen help
brucewayne
and then add another big bat next year when all those great free agents will be available .
bravos14
Half a story here, come on. Did Miami miss again or have they finally got it together?
Brixton
it hasnt been released what they got yet…
matthew_lepp
I bet they got a good pitching and outfield prospect
billydaking
This is a baseball trade. The Marlins obviously didn’t get the prospects they hoped for in trading Stanton, which is why the negotiated first with two teams that Stanton didn’t want to go to–they were looking for the best deal they could get for their team, and hoped Stanton would change his mind.
When he didn’t, they still needed prospects for a true rebuild, and the Cardinals have several in the high minors that they’ll willing to part with for a player like Ozuna, who was going to get only more expensive being arbitration-eligible.
STLShadows
For those saying the Cards need another impact bat I do t think they have to at least not now. I would wait to get Machado either at the deadline or the next offseason because the lineup doesn’t loom bad considering they won 83 games without having that “impact bat” they need to focus on the bullpen now. If they were to get another bat this offseason it would probably be Hosmer or Longoria. I’d prefer Hos because he’s a left handed bat
STLShadows
Don’t*
Remms12
why would machado want to sign for STL?
themed
Uh because they are going to take things over in the NL central and things are getting back to normal.
vinscully16
… the Marlins are a disgrace. Endlessly starting over, ungodly expensive stadium built in the wrong place on the taxpayers dime, and Florida, generally, seems only moderately interested in big league baseball. Little makes sense when it comes to the Marlins. How on earth did this franchise win two World Series titles? Go figure.
Lovetron
Has to be Flaherty or Reyes. If somehow they didnt get them, I’d imagine the Marlins got a current Cards OF (Pham, Piscotty, or Grichuck) paired with a couple middle prospects like Sierra, Hudson, or Perez.
AaronCards
Definitely won’t be Reyes. They wouldn’t complete the deal if it had included him.
Lovetron
What do you think the deal is, as a Cards fan?
belkiolle
Alcantara, Grichuk, lower pitcher (not Flaherty)
At least that’s what I’m hoping.
damon389
Alcantra, Flaherty and ??? would be a reasonable starting point.
AaronCards
Thereabouts plus grichuk as a throw in.
baseballpun
O’s are seeking two pitching prospects for a year of Machado. I don’t see how the Marlins could expect that plus more for two years of Ozuna.
hiflew
Grichuk has posted 7 WAR in his first three years. He’s not a superstar by any means, but he is definitely more than a throw in.
Lovetron
I would imagine the Marlins would want an OF prospect at least, considering their farm system is heavy on pitching and light on OFs. That’s why I think Sierra is going to be a part of it if not one of the major league OFs. And while Grichuk qualifies, I tend to see him as a throw-in more than something the Marlins actually want.
O’Neill, Flaherty, Sierra?
Lovetron
@hiflew – yes but he’s been in consistent decline. Can’t sell him as a +3 WAR player when he’s gone from 3.2 to 2.7 to 1.0. Seems more like a 4th OF/fringe starter, and I’m not sure that carries a ton of value as a corner OF. I know he can play CF, but wasnt he grading out bad there defensively?
AaronCards
Still very inconsient and hasn’t established himself yet. You won’t get much or him on the market would be my guess. He still has amazing power.
sandman12
Why? Ozuna was vastly more productive than Machado. Vastly.
hiflew
That’s not a consistent decline, that is basically two similar seasons and one down season. With 3 years of cheap control remaining, he has plenty of time to rebound. Going from a crowded outfield to a rebuilding team with a lot of OF chances, I think he (or Piscotty) would be poised for a rebound season.
Cardinals17
I still have faith that Grichuk is going to come around and be an impact player at dome time.
stymeedone
He’s cheaper than Machado and has two years of control. That’s how.
damon389
As an A’s fan, I think a far more likely outcome is for Piscotty to be traded to Oakland. The A’s want him, and w/his mom’s illness, being close to home is important. Also, the Cards strike me as one of those ‘good’ organizations that actually care a bit about the human side of their roster.
Hopefully, I don’t eat my words.
matthew_lepp
I would love to see that trade if the Cardinals could get somebody like Marcus Semien back
Lovetron
As an A’s fan, I’d like that too. Opens up SS for Barretto,and I think eventually Semien would have been destined for LF here. We could then use Lowrie at 2B until the deadline, or trade him now and try and sign someone like Neil Walker in the meantime
kiddhoff
Guessing Grichuk and Flaherty
hiflew
They are saying a SP and an OF both with control and MLB experience + a pitching prospect. My guess is Weaver, Grichuk, and Alcantara.
Brad Riegel
think you got it man. I think Grichuk and Alcantara are a certainty just wondering if it is Weaver or Flaherty as the other.
AaronCards
It’s hard for me to believe Miami would get both Alcántara and weaver.
hiflew
It easily could be a lower level minor leaguer like Junior Fernandez. I’m sure the Marlins looked over the Cards entire minor league system during the Stanton trade talks.
brucewayne
Not Weaver or Reyes or Kelly !
kiddhoff
WTG mo. Now finish it up by trading for Longo/Colome/Archer
kaido24
The question is, what did we give up to acquire him?
Solaris601
I’m going to speculate that STL includes either Grichuk or Piscotty who MIA will flip elsewhere along with Starlin Castro.
Lovetron
If Piscotty is sent to MIA, I’m sure the A’s will be there offering either Mateo or Fowler before the ink is dry.
Still can’t believe the A’s turned down Weaver/Piscotty for Gray in favor of the Yankees package though.
kaido24
Odds are, the Marlins will plan to give primary time to Ozuna, Tommy Pham, and Dexter Fowler should read Cardinals instead of Marlins.
manbearpuig
You mean the Cards plan on giving primary time to Ozuna, Fowler and Pham?
troll
i say wong goes to miami, castro to st louis
kaido24
It appears Yelich is now available to be traded according to Jeff Passan.
Michael Chaney
I’d give up just about whatever Miami would want for him
billydaking
Bob Nightengale just tweeted that the Marlins “realize that Christian Yellich wants out but they say they have no intention of trading him at this time.”
ABCD
How about a good old-fashioned challenge trade? Ozuna for Pham.
ABCD
Guess not.
billydaking
How does trading their best player last year help the Cardinals?
They’re keeping Pham.
ABCD
If it’s just Alcantara and lesser prospects, the Cards got a great deal.
Cardinals17
Excuse me while I eat some crow over my latest comment!!! At Last the Cardinals have a big bat!
Michael Chaney
Multiple pitchers and an outfielder? I’ll guess Grichuk, Alcantara, and another arm
jj954
More like Grichuk, Flaherty, Hudson, and Alcantara
chri
This trade would not have happened if Oscar Taveras was still alive.
billydaking
Still might have. Dexter Fowler may not have been on the team. When they signed him, they needed an outfielder to replace Matt Holliday and to play with Grichuk and Piscotty. Doubt that happens if Taveras is all ready anchoring left or right field.
Then Piscotty imploded, and Grichuk continued to spin his wheels and occasionally hit a home run. Which is why they’re trading for another outfielder.
bastros88
who knows where baseball as a whole would be if he were still alive. Breaks my heart ecerytime I hear that name.
yukongold
Too bad he killed that girl.
brucewayne
He didn’t “KILL” her! It wasn’t murder idiot! It was a car accident. Yes he was impaired
brucewayne
and he made a huge mistake
brucewayne
and paid for it with his life! RIP! That girl was his fiancé
brucewayne
and mother of his child! RIP! Hopefully people learned a lesson from that horrible tragedy .
yukongold
And Jose Fernandez didn’t kill the dudes he was with, right?
Joe Kerr
Or if Jose Fernandez was alive too
cardfan2011
Ok, so Alcantara is part of the deal, that’s a good prospect for Miami, wish him all the best!
kaido24
Someone I work with heard on the radio (101 ESPN) that Zeigler is included in the deal.
j_johnson42
Alex Reyes better be a part of this deal
kaido24
Not likely.
brucewayne
Nope! No way!
Ley_z 3
“at least, that is, so long as”
Brevity is your friend, MLBTR.
jints1
The Marlins have gone from a possible contender to a team that is 10 years away. How can MLB allow an owner who cannot afford a team buy a team? Jeter is a disaster. Is there anyone in the Marlins front office knowledgeable about the business
of baseball? Hire a GM with some smarts.
jj954
“10 Years away” LMAO
southbeachbully
a) New owners are vetted out pretty hard.
b) Moving salary is not necessarily done because one doesn’t have the financial wherewithal,
c) The Marlins were far, far, far away from being contenders in 2018. They have zero pitching to speak of. and their starters had a collective ERA, FIP and xFIP over 5 and a collective WAR of 3.9. Straily had a 2 WAR, Volquez had a 1 WAR and all 3 other pitchers had a WAR below 1. They had a top 10 offense and that was it. How were they going to improve their pitching staff when so much of their payroll is tied up in Stanton and a bunch of other position players and you lack the capacity to take the payroll into the $130-150 mil range.
Stanton is a bad trade to judge the GM by (btw Jeter is a part-owner not the GM). I would wait and see what they get on Ozuna before passing judgement. The team seemed to prioritize pitching in the trade for Gordon as 2/3 players acquired were SP prospects. They also got a high-end arm in Jorge Guzman.
I would not be shocked if they attempt to load up on young prospects in the low minors in all their trades.
damon389
A’s beat writer for the SF Chron Susan Slusser just posted that A’s are edging closer to landing Piscotty, meaning that he’s not going to Miami.
She’s very good, so I would take this as a really strong indication that Piscotty is not a part of the Ozuna deal.
outinleftfield
Grichuk is reportedly part of the deal to the Marlins, not Piscotty.
damon389
Is Alcantra really the centerpiece???!!! If so, well done StL…
yukongold
And making trades are like groundballs up the middle, Jeter just doesn’t get them.
MB923
Haha
brownbomber
Marlins got reyes, fowler, pham, and weaver.
jkinser20
Lol
brucewayne
Not even close!
Yankeepatriot
Good trade for the cards honestly. A middle of the order bat they desprately needed
outinleftfield
Great move by the Cardinals. Better fit than Stanton and only committed to 2 years of a much lower salary.
Alcantara, Grichuk, and 2 other prospects is a high price to pay, but Ozuna is worth it.
This is also a win for the Marlins. They got what they need most, good young pitching.
stretch123
Waiting to see who the other three prospects are but alcantara will be a stud. Very disappointed that Harrison Bader or Tyler O’neil are not involved, however.
chound
Sure seems like a stellar move for the Cards to me (not all the info is in yet). Awesome back up prize really.
seamaholic 2
Ozuna was replacement level just three years ago, and league average two years ago. Plus he’s only got two years of control.
chound
So you’re saying he’s going to get better each of the next two years? Amazing for the Cards!
surefirewinners
Alcantara and low level, borderline prospects. Marlins got fleeced… again.
Why didn’t the Red Sox jump in and make an offer? Oh yeah, they are going to wait until JD Martinez decides in February before they make any other moves.
billydaking
“Low-level, borderline prospects”? That’s not what Joel Sherman wrote.
“Of less ilk” than Alcantara could be anybody from Ryan Helsley to Andrew Knizner to Jose Adolis Garcia to Dakota Hudson. Alcantara is one of the Cardinals’ best prospects and probably their highest-ceiling one.
surefirewinners
‘But those are lesser assets and Alcantara is considered the centerpiece of the swap’
I agree with my original statement
billydaking
You still didn’t quote Sherman, who actually wrote: “Alcantara is big piece going to #Marlins in 4-player package, hear other 3 are minor leaguers of less ilk.”
Less ilk means “not in the same class.” That could mean anybody in the Cardinals organization outside of Alex Reyes, Carson Kelly, and Jack Flaherty. It could mean Jose Adolis Garcia, who St. Louis Post-Dispatch beat reporter Derrick Goold said the Marlins were interested in in his most recent trade story update.
As yourself this: How well does New York Post reporter Joel Sherman know the St. Louis Cardinals farm system?
surefirewinners
Sherman was (very likely) fed the information from either a team source with the Marlins or a team source with Cardinals (probably the Cardinals).
If the assets were more pronounced, we would have heard their names by now. Someone in the Marlins organization would have leaked any larger prospect names.
The trade looks very underwhelming for the Marlins.
I will say again, I stand by my original statement.
Most baseball pundits would have assumed that to acquire Ozuna, the Cards would have had to part with Alcantara, Piscotty or Grichuk plus 1-2 additional assets.
Instead?
‘Alcantara and low level, borderline prospects. Marlins got fleeced… again.”
billydaking
Mags Sierra and Zac Gallen are not “low-level, borderline prospects,” which WAS NOT Sherman’s description, a point you keep on ignoring. The only one of the trade package that matches your description is Daniel Castano, who is a lottery ticket.
Sierra is the Cardinals’ No. 7 prospect according to Baseball America, playing in 22 MLB games this season despite still being a young and raw player with upside and spending most the rest of year in AA. He’s a true centerfielder with speed to spare, and profiles anywhere from a Jarrod Dyson-lite 4th outfielder to a better Billy Hamilton-like afterburner.
Gallen is a favorite of prospect evaluators. He was drafted in 2016 out of college, and in his first full pro season, he went from High A and made it to AAA as a 21-year-old. He’s a excellent middle-of-the-rotation starting prospect, with four pitches and excellent command. He’ll be in the Marlins’ rotation probably by the end of 2018.
John Sickles, who has been evaluating prospects for 20-plus years, rates all three–Alcantara, Gallen,and Sierra–as B-level prospects, which are prospects who “have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.”
That’s not “border-line”. Sherman never said “border-line.” That’s not “low-level”, and Sherman never wrote that either. Neither Gallen nor Sierra are on the same level as Alcantara (No. 4 in Baseball America’s rankings), who has the high ceiling to be an ace-level pitcher. That does not mean they’re long-shots to make the majors. In fact, it’s most likely they’ll both be regulars in the next couple of seasons.
Your original statement is wrong. You think the Marlins’s got fleeced, that’s fine. You thought the Marlins would also get one of Piscotty and Grichuk, that’s fine too, but that’s not what you originally posted. Your description of the prospects the Marlins got along with Alcantara, which is what I’ve been disagreeing with, is what is completely off target.
¡Killer Klowns From Outer Space!
This aged like fine wine lol. Another Marlins hater.
jk
I guess I’m not the only one that reads through old trade comments
Blake Camden
Ive seen Ozuna bat so much over the years. Typical one dimensional, unskilled “raw” hitter who k’s constantly and hits 15 to 23 hr’s. Not much else to his game. Typical .263/.323/.440 hitter when you adjust for everything.
surefirewinners
Blake-
He hit 37 HRs, had a 145 OPS+ and was a 5.8 WAR player last year… and he is only 27 years old, with 2 years of team control.
You, sir, are wrong
seamaholic 2
That was one year. It kind of came out of nowhere. I think I agree with Dave Cameron of Fangraphs who called him a “good not great” hitter. Last year could easily — and the metrics back this up — have been a fluke. I’m not 100% convinced he’s better than Piscotty, or at least not much.
surefirewinners
Please.
If you need further evidence, check out Ozuna’s 2014 season, when he was a 4.5 WAR player.
WAR last 4 years: 4.5, 0.4 (outlier), 2.5 and 5.8
Piscotty: 0.9, 2.9 (outlier), 0.6
Piscotty was a replacement level player for 2 out of 3 years and Ozuna has been worth 105+ Million over his last 4 years.
Try again.
frosttie
Statistically Ozuna is a *disciplined* hitter. I’m not sure where you get “k’s constantly” from? That would be a description of Aaron Judge. In full counts last season Ozuna drew MORE walks than strikeouts. His offensive stats are also trending UP to go along with a GOLD GLOVE defense. Get outta here with that one dimensional BS.
seaver41
It’s gonna take some doing to reverse the image of a moron that Jeter has created for himself and his ownership group. FRom overpaying for the franchise, to the poor publicity he’s received for the clumsy cleaning of house. The guy paid luxury car price for a Yugo – and now has to do the work of unloading the unsustainable payroll – leaving himself in a position of weakness on any deal he discusses because every GM knows he can’t walk away from a deal getting done. He really looks like an amateur clown.
Polish Hammer
Time to consider contraction and taking this franchise away. Anytime they get something good they blow it up and have a fire sale.
simschifan
I think this should make the Cardinals favorites in the central now
bstanza22
Still need a bat to hit behind Ozuna. Fowler won’t do it and Pham will sit at that #2 spot in the lineup. I’m expecting a longo/colome deal done soon granted the prospects still left for STL to use after getting a steal with Ozuna. Grichuk could likely be heading out to TB with a OF and SP prospect going with him. That happens, and Cardinals are serious favourites for the central.
simschifan
Yep, so far I’m not impressed by the cubs moves. If they stay content cause they love their guys it will be a long season. Morrow is not a closer. We will see
billydaking
Ozuna hit behind Stanton this past season.
He’ll be fine on the Cardinals
padam
Why but a team if you can’t afford it. It’s got to be painful for Marlins fans…
Polish Hammer
Yeah all 12 of them are in agony….
xscalabr
You guys should never be anywhere need an MLB front office
Jo Daddy
Bah, Not Sierra. Grichuk, yes… I like Sierra. Poor guy.
dazhk
I think your going to see Grichuck go to to the Rays!!!!
Jo Daddy
Hopefully it includes Archer in return. That would be sweet!
robertj53086
Not Sierra…that part sucks to hear
stretch123
Sierra makes a ton of sense. CF of the future for Miami. Shifts Yelich to left where he won a gold glove. If Yelich stays, Marlin outfield defense will be spectacular come 2019/2020. The pitching will filter in as well by 2020… I think people are underestimating Jeter and co because so far, they have done well in both the Ozuna and Gordon trades. The return for Stanton was super disappointing (besides Guzman) but I like the direction he’s taking the team right now. Team had zero depth in the minors to supplement the elite position players and everyone knows to win, you need pitching. Marlins had two starters in Straily and Urena going into next year. The rest was a huge question mark.
xscalabr
Now I’m starting to like this trade for both teams. Wonder if Miami gets Bader as well
Jo Daddy
Wow. Not sure who won this deal. Two good SP prospects, one with something to prove, and OF prospect for a guy who hit well for one year. No pressure Ozuna lol
Jo Daddy
Sigh, and no clue why I replied here. :/
Rob66
Cards get a better overall player while Marlins get a few guys who could help them become a solid team, not just a few stars. They were desperate for pitching.
Mario93
Anybody who thinks the Stanton move by Jeter and the Marlins was a bad move, simply doesn’t know any baseball. Marlins had to move Stanton’s contract, it wasn’t a choice, how will that contract look even 5-6 years from now ? 4 years from now ? What if Stanton continuesly gets injured with the Yankees.. It was a no brainer to move that contract, and Jeter did a fine job only having to pay 30 million of the 265 on Stanton’s deal. Marlins are a small market team, and there farm system was god awful before these trades.. and there are more trades to come. Derek Jeter is using is head instead of his emotions, and building this marlins organization the right way. He didn’t give that deal to Stanton, Loria and the previous ownership team did.. Jeter doesn’t owe Stanton anything. Lower the payroll to as minimal as possible and keep adding legit prospects like they’ve been doing! Marlins fans can cry all the they want about their players, they haven’t been to the playoffs since what, over a decade? So want exactly are they losing?… overpaid players who couldn’t get the job done? Use your head folks, jeter is doing it the right way. Give this new ownership group some patience. Stanton won mvp last season and the Marlins were still 10 plus games under .500.. Change is needed. And I applaud Jeter for having the guts to do what is needed. It’s derek Jeter, no matter how it looks now, he didn’t invest in the Marlins to lose.. and you can bet your last dollar on that.
xscalabr
It’s weird how everyone is basically treating Jeter like he is equal to or worse than Loria. Sheer impatience from people who don’t understand how a front office works
Polish Hammer
Then why even sign him to a deal (and with a no trade clause) that everyone on earth knew they’d never afford to see through to the finish? They should’ve just let him walk as a FA and take the compensation.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
But the Jeter ownership group DIDN’T sign him to that contract…
Polish Hammer
The ownership group before them would’ve eventually dumped him too.
22222pete
They just got 50 million from the MLBAM sale, they get 50 million in revenue sharing, they have a brand new stadium which could be filled if they invest in pitching, they have RSN deal which can be renegotiated in 2020 and land them another 40 million a year.
Also, they could insure Stantons contract assuming it wasnt already insured. Without injury Stanton flies away after 2020. Plenty of surplus value these 3 years
None of the prospects received are franchise builders
dstroemer
I really liked Sierra. He was a nice spark plug last year. But if this helps the team then it was a good deal.
baseballpun
Remains to be see who’ll be left standing but I’d rather they trade Sierra than Bader. Obviously would’ve preferred to ship Grichuk rather than Sierra, but he might be part of Colome talks and Piscotty is obviously part of Oakland talks.
Good trade for the Cards to get Ozuna without touching Flaherty and only losing 1 of the outfield surplus. I don’t think Fish fans should feel fleeced though.
billydaking
Bader’s probably a 4th outfielder….a good one, but Sierra actually has more upside.
The one I was afraid of the Cardinals losing was Jose Adolis Garcia. He’s really underrated.
xscalabr
Mozeliak is proving he’s a great GM, yet everyone hates him because he’s not terrible with money like the overrated Cashman
troll
except he isn’t a gm anymore
Priggs89
Not terrible with money? Didn’t they try to give Heyward $200mil not too long ago?
CompanyAssassin
Im sorry is the package Alcantara, Sierra, Gallen and the other dude? That kind of sucks if so, but oh well.
NuckBobFutting
Yes, and it’s a solid deal
John Nobles
Marlins look like turning team into Padres / Athletics Type of Team that’s what people are mad about gut the team really have nothing to show for unlike when Astors, Yankees, Braves, did they got great farm systems to try rebuild have hope for future in return unlike Jeter Stanton hurt situation by only allowing certain teams to trade for him, trufully did anything think They could have gotten good haul for Dee Gordon, Ozuna might have been little lower than expected but that’s what happens when having fire sell
cjuluca
This is the best you could get for Ozuna? Marlins fleeced again.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
So in the Marlins race to field a triple-A team for the 2018 season, does anybody know where their payroll is at, currently?
22222pete
100 million. Ozuna made 3.5 million last year, probably jumps to 8 million in 2018 for a 4 WAR player
cardfan2011
Wow, I’m amazed the Cardinals got Ozuna with this deal, fantastic move on their part
zakstl
Agreed 100%.
I didn’t think they’d have enough for another trade after this, but I was wrong. And I’m happy about it.
Ry.the.Stunner
Jeter is proving that he has no idea how to run baseball operations.
driftcat28 2
How so? His to do list this offseason was:
Shed salary – check
Trade developed players for controllable prospects w/ upside – in progress
22222pete
Not getting great prospects. Quantity is not quality
billydaking
Sierra and Gallen are quality prospects. Not sure about Castano, though.
Mario93
Yeah, cause paying a bunch of overpaid guys to be 10 games under .500, and to not make the playoffs in over a decade makes a ton of sense …… luckily for the Marlins you’re not in charge .
22222pete
On a dollar/W basis the Marlins were above league average. Just needed some pitching, that lineup was playoff quality
Mario93
I get it but the Marlins are a low budget team, and they would’ve had no chance to improve the club with Stanton’s contract coming into play with years to come.. Marlins have to build the whole thing, fan base, marketing and everything, so the finances improve as well. It’s simple to say they just needed “pitching”.. but the Marlins as of now didn’t have to money to go and get it, and certainly wouldn’t have had it in the future with Stanton’s contract kicking in.. They still have Chen’s contract that most likely they’ll have to eat, which is a big portion. They just ate 13 million of Volquez’s contract. Prado is going to be hard to deal.. the bullpen arms they have that’s over paid. They have a lot of money allocated in the wrong areas, so it’s easy to say they should just throw more money at “pitching”. The previous regime did so, but they did so on the wrong kind of pitching, it didn’t work. Jeter wants a clean slate, he wants to get his own pitching, while getting all these bad contracts off the books somehow. You have to consider the baseball market the Miami is, they aren’t the Yankees, so you can’t expect them to be as financially stable yet as them.
22222pete
Ownership just cant afford to run the team. Paying 14% interest to finance your deal does that
ducksnort69
Dirty business. MLB should not have approved this ownership group, they’re worse.
22222pete
According to Kato Jeter just acquired 1 WAR per year for the next 6 years while losing 8 WAR over the next 2 years, more than half of which is surplus value.
Another gift given by Jeter, but thats what he is known for
These 2 trades have probably cost the Marlins 30 million in revenue in 2018. He can probably fire half his ticket sales staff
Mario93
Folks you have to consider the market you’re in. The orioles are looking to deal Machado because of the market they are in, and because of the awful deal Chris Davis signed previously for 7 years and however many hundreds of million he signed for.. A single bad contract can limit your franchise to do anything moving forward. Orioles are stuck with Chris Davis and his awful contract.. meanwhile having to trade a young cornerstone like Manny Machado. Stanton had to go.
22222pete
MLB is trying to rip them off on MASN and hand the revenues to the Nats, so they have to act accordingly
They had a nice big market until MLB forced the Nats in which they only agreed to because they thought they had a deal on MASN that MLB would honor
Mario93
Sad, man. Sad. Marlins will be good again. Times call for a change, it is what it is. They simply dont have the money right now.
22222pete
Boras tells it like it is
espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/21757735/seen-one-our-majo…
justin-turner overdrive
I actually think this is a slight overpay, but I also assume there were so many other teams driving up the price. A top 40 prospect, Sierra who shot from A-ball to the bigs in one season, and two low level lottery starting pitchers who had excellent numbers last year. Fine get for 2 years of Ozuna tbh.
billydaking
Gallen’s a top 20 prospect, possibly top 10. He went from High A ball to Triple A this season, with an ERA of 2.93 over 141.2 innings, 121 SO to 35 BB. He’s probably closer to the majors than Alacantara, unless the Marlins make Alcantara a reliever (which would be a waste).
But you’re right….it’s a good package for a single veteran outfielder who just had a breakout season but has only two more years of control.. The only questionable piece to me is Castano, who’s actually a bit older than the other three but still hasn’t pitched in full season ball.
Nuggethoarder
Sierra did perform in the bigs, but I’m not sure he ever hit the ball out of the infield. Obviously that is a hyperbole but the truth is that he had zero XBH in 22 games (65ish AB) and it was not a slump. He still has a ways to go before he can reliably handle major league pitching. His hit and power tools have graded as a 20 as recently as last year.
If he can be a league average hitter he will be really valuable. But right now I think he projects to have an OPS of under .600 for 2018. That’s not enough to justify playing him, even with stellar D.
billydaking
Yeah, Sierra isn’t really ready for the majors at this point, and his brief appearance with the Cardinals this season, although fun, is an extremely small sample.
He’ll never have a lot of power, although there’s still potential there for more than he’s shown and his speed will generate singles (like it did in St. Louis) and turn singles into doubles and triples. The real key, I think, is improving his plate discipline (.313 OBP in AA, but only 20 walks) so that he’ll be a true lead-off hitter (and runner).
CardsNation5
Alcantara, Sierra and two other low level minor leaguers were in the deal for Ozuna
billydaking
Two notes from Kyle Glaser of Baseball America about the prospects the Marlins got:
1. Alcantara, Sierra, and Gallen were all slated to be top 15 organizational prospects in their upcoming handbook. Note that Alcantara and Sierra are listed as No. 4 and No. 7 in their Cardinals’ top 10, whch is posted free on their website.
2. Alcantara stands a good chance of being a BA Top 100 prospect (toward the back end). when this list is released this spring.
nikki29a
if I understand your post we gave up 3 top tier prospects on a 2 year rental that had 1 good season out of 4 (and his 1st 3 yrs were not great from what I read in berrnies column on 101 sprots the stl ESPN radio affiliate) what I wanna know is what the fo is smoking because I want some then maybe this horrible trade might look better
billydaking
It’s a good deal for both teams. Bernie is a fun columnist, but no where near the best talent evaluator, and he can be a sensationalist at times.
1. Ozuna is fully capable of the power he showed last season. He had wRC+ (which Bernie uses as positive stat) of 116 in 2014 and 106 in 2016 (when a wrist injury derailed a breakout season, which Bernie doesn’t mention). and his hard contact percentage has risen for the past three seasons. His only truly bad season was 2015. Bernie also errors in forgetting that Miami’s ballpark is just as bad if not worse than Busch Stadium for home runs. He’s got a lot left in the tank, and while last season possibly could.be his best season, it’s most probably not going to be an outlier.
2. While Gallen and Sierra are good prospects, they’re not “top tier.” Only Reyes, Kelly, and Flaherty are that, along with Alcantara. The Cardinals traded from their farm system depth in outfield and starting pitching. You have to give up talent for talent, and the Cardinals did that without hurting themselves.
3. Ozuna is an arbitration-eligible player for the next two years. While it’s possible that he could exit St. Louis after the 2019 season, the Cardinals have a good track record of extending guys like him. This isn’t like trading for Donaldson or Machado, who would be a one-season-and-done. Given Ozuna’s talent, it was that limited years of control that limited the return the Marlins got.
When you trade prospects, you need to make sure you’re still covered. While those three prospects were in the Cardinals top 15, the team still has 5 starting pitcher prospects (Reyes, Flaherty, Hudson, Hicks, and Helsley) and 2 outfield prospects (O’Neill and Bader) in the top 10, not to mention guys like J.A. Garcia and Randy Arozarena possibly in their Top 15. While you’re rolling that around in your head, realize that of those 9 prospects only Hicks did not play in the top two minor league levels last season.
The Marlins got a batch of good prospects, and the Cardinals got a really good young veteran outfielder with power for at least two seasons without hurting their farm system. Why is that horrible….for either team?
zakstl
Dude, totally agree on Bernie. He could make even the best player sound horrible with his “many flaws”. I listed to him, but regularly have to turn the radio off and drive in silence.
On the prospects, totally agree. Give up a few guys (that we have plenty more of) to get a guy who’s performed better than any of them have, and did it in the majors.
nikki29a
you make a lot of good points that make me feel better about the trade but I would feel more confident in the trade if he was more established until either matheny is gone or fires his bff were not going to see ozuna of 17 but a kid after 2 months going to aaa to “learn how to hit” again besides that I feel we gave up to much for a 2 year rental (I say he’s a rental because his agent but I can’t hate the man he gets the most he can for all his players) and I would be more confident in re-signing manny than ozuna
hollidayfever
Alcantra is likely a reliever and Sierra has 0 power or OBP ability.
angelsfan1522
Please trade yelich let him actually go to a team with a hope of winning in next 5 years
nste23
That’s it!?