DEC. 24: The Rangers remain in contact with Wolfe, writes Wilson, who adds that Darvish hasn’t ruled out a reunion with the club. However, it’s up in the air whether Rangers ownership would pay the necessary amount to bring back Darvish, Wilson suggests.
DEC. 19, 10:35pm: Wilson reports that Darvish and Daniels are planning to have dinner this week, but Darvish’s agents will not be in attendance and the two do not plan to discuss business. The two are simply having dinner, per Wilson, adding that Daniels has continually maintained the stance that Texas will not play at the top of the free-agent market. The dinner was actually planned for November but was pushed back to this point. Darvish himself confirmed as much by quote-tweeting Wilson and adding the comment, “Tomorrow night!”
Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News reports the same sentiment, noting that Daniels and Darvish never had much of a chance to have a conversation when Darvish was traded to the Dodgers. Grant likens the meeting to an “exit interview” and emphasizes that Darvish’s lead agent, Joel Wolfe, will not be present.
All of that said, it’s still a bit of an eyebrow-raiser to see Daniels, whose rotation is rife with uncertainty, meet with the top free-agent pitcher on the market under the guise that no business will be discussed.
6:41pm: Darvish is set to meet with the Rangers after he sits down with the Astros, a club source tells Jim Bowden of MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (Twitter link). That seemingly runs counter to what GM Jon Daniels told Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram earlier today, as Wilson tweeted that Daniels said there was no meeting planned with Darvish at that point.
Obviously, the Rangers are more familiar with Darvish than any other club, and there’s certainly a need in their rotation. Texas has added Mike Minor as a potential starting option this winter and has also swung a trade for Matt Moore and signed Doug Fister. Still, there’s room for improvement among a shaky group of Texas starters.
What remains to be seen, though, is exactly how much payroll capacity the Rangers have remaining. Texas is reportedly aiming for its 2018 payroll to come in around the $155MM mark, and signing Darvish would almost certainly take them beyond that point, barring a heavily backloaded deal.
The Rangers could see a substantial amount of cash come off the books after the 2018 season, depending on Cole Hamels’ option and Elvis Andrus’ opt-out provision, but a long-term Darvish deal would likely mean boosting their commitments for 2020 season north of $85MM. Certainly, finding a taker for Shin-Soo Choo’s albatross contract would alleviate some of that crunch, though that’s a daunting proposition for the Texas front office.
5:00pm: One day after Yu Darvish reportedly met face-to-face with the Cubs, he’s sitting down for a similar meeting with the Astros, Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports reports. Houston joins the Cubs and Twins as teams that have now been prominently linked to Darvish, who topped MLBTR’s free agent rankings at the beginning of the offseason. The Rangers, Heyman writes, are “monitoring” the Darvish market.
The Astros, of course, got an up-close look at Darvish for years when he fronted the division-rival Rangers’ rotation and when they clobbered him in a pair of World Series starts. Though that rough pair of outings was obviously a sour note upon which to end an otherwise solid season, the tiny sample of two starts against a powerhouse offense isn’t likely to alter his perception much among big league teams. (Notably, one unnamed Astros player revealed to Sports Illustrated’s Tom Verducci that Darvish was tipping his pitches in both World Series outings.)
Houston isn’t exactly in dire need of a rotation upgrade, as their current group of Justin Verlander, Dallas Keuchel, Lance McCullers, Charlie Morton and Brad Peacock is already strong. Houston also still has Collin McHugh as an option for the back end of the rotation as well as a number of upper-level prospects (e.g. Francis Martes, David Paulino) that could eventually emerge as rotation options.
That said, adding Darvish to a rotation that already includes Verlander, Keuchel, McCullers and Morton would make for a potent starting five. Peacock thrived in a multi-inning relief role on multiple occasions in 2017 and could function in a similar capacity in 2018, should the ’Stros ultimately elect to add a significant arm to their rotation. Picking up Darvish could also bode well for the club in the long term, as both Keuchel and Morton are set to become free agents at the conclusion of the 2018 season.
From a pure payroll standpoint, Houston can certainly absorb a significant multi-year deal. The Astros do have just shy of $150MM committed to the 2017 payroll (including projected arbitration salaries), but that number plummets to $56MM on the books for 2019 when Keuchel, Morton, Evan Gattis, Tony Sipp and Marwin Gonzalez are all eligible for free agency.
[Related: Houston Astros depth chart and payroll outlook]
The ’Stros will no doubt look to lock up Jose Altuve beyond the 2019 campaign, when their control over the 2017 AL MVP runs out, though, and they probably want to keep George Springer around beyond 2020 as well. Those will be considerations when deciding whether to offer a long-term deal to any high-priced free agent, though it’s worth pointing out that Houston only has $21.5MM committed to the 2020 roster at present and does not have a single guaranteed contract for the 2021 season on its current books.
xabial
Plot twist.
ck420
I wonder if Houston’s scouting was the reason they were able to clobber him. Remember how at the end of the ALCS they stopped throwing fastballs to the Yankees and shut them down. If they know how to utilize his talents then go for it
elmedius
Read somewhere that he was tipping his pitches.
coldgoldenfalstaff
Beltran played with him in Texas last year, he told the hitters how he was tipping when the slider was coming.
Luis Jimenez
Astros actually about to give him his Ring for his contributions to them winning the world series.
CursedRangers
He might as well have been the Astros WS MVP
Yankeepatriot
They might be preparing for Dallas to walk after this season. Wasn’t expecting this at all
The plot thickens on mlb hot stove (dramatic music)
Psychguy
As a Dodger fan it would not pain me to see Yu sign with Cubs or Astros. Lets develop our own guys like Walker B. Hopefully, Urias will return sooner rather than later.
Yankeepatriot
This is an extremely important year for Urias, especially if darvish doesn’t return
saintchristafa
Yuli Comments. 3, 2, 1 go!
In all seriousness thought, this would be interesting to see. A solid #2 regular season starter. The downside is the ambiguity around how much money Houston actually has to extend the core players.
Yankeepatriot
Altuve Springer and Dallas will each make at least 20 million aav I would think. I doubt verlander comes back so that saves some money
saintchristafa
Not to mention Correa in the next few years if Houston goes in that direction. If they do sign Yu, I anticipate there will be a trade during this offseason.
Yankeepatriot
Who do you think will be traded ?
saintchristafa
Since there are so many teams searching for pitching depth, it would likely be Colin Mchugh imo, who has 2 more years of arb I think, and maybe a AAA guy on the 40 man roster.
Yankeepatriot
Morton perhaps
saintchristafa
Pls no lol
ck420
Keep Morton, he was a stud in the playoffs. Can’t get rid of him, he has too much heart. You keep guys like that!
jb19
0% chance they trade morton. But I could see McHugh, Paulino, Martes and Moran all being traded. In fact, a package similar to that should entice Baltimore enough to get Britton… I would prefer they hold on to Martes bc he just needs more experience before he breaks out imo… Kemp, Musgrove, Reed all can be dealt too. But more than likely as throw ins. Getting awfully crowded on that 40 man roster for the Astros.
saintchristafa
I would like to see players like Moran an Kemp get opportunities to play, and if not in Houston, somewhere else. I like them, and want them to get some exposure
hojostache
Britton had a down year and was injured multiple times throughout the year. His value is not very high, and the O’s won’t move him unless it’s for a haul. Hard pass.
jb19
I would like to see Moran and Kemp get an opportunity as well. Not much left for them in AAA after last season. I’m still not sure what to make of AJ Reed… Britton will also make a ton of $$ this year so I’m not fully on board w that trade either. Especially if Martes is involved.
saintchristafa
The Britton ship sailed ever since the Os refused to trade him last year. It’s really their loss tbh. They probably would’ve received a similar package that the Jays got from us (which was pretty lopsided imo). In other words, Adam Jones has been needing help in the OF since Markakis left lol and Teoscar would’ve been a great compliment to him. But you know, the Os
Tom E. Snyder
Well, Britton is out with his latest injury.
SportsJunkie
Interest likely just changed on Britton. Ruptured his achilles in offseason workouts. Paid a guaranteed $12.2M through 2018 and also is represented by Boras. Astros almost had him at 2017 summer deadline. I don’t see it with new developments.
brucewayne
Verlander still has 2 more years on his contract !
aerainier
I don’t think this is serious. Maybe a ploy to get Texas to jump in, overpay in a panic move. Plenty of rotation pieces to utilize. If Houston is going to add to the rotation, it’ll be Archer or Stroman….. Maybe Fulmer if Detroit makes him available.
I can’t see Houston paying that much for a piece they don’t “need” necessarily. If the starters get hurt or struggle, then they can make a move via trade. No need to panic and go nuts.
Kslaw
Could be a replacement for Dallas. He will cost way too much for them to keep. I think he will want more than Yu and for more years. He will not he worth it. YU would be a nice replacement.
coldgoldenfalstaff
I think it’s prudent to assume we can’t sign them all, unless Crane spends like the Yankees or Dodgers.
Better to try and maximize this window and get players in place that would minimize the pain of letting some go. Like trading for Yelich which makes losing Springer in 2020 less painful.
trident
I’m sure he’d love to play with Gurriel.
BoldyMinnesota
He handled that very mature and forgave him. I’m sure Gurriel learned his lesson and will be more respectful. There’s no reason that this should be a problem unless they make it a problem
kevinnelson
What if Gurriel was the unnamed source. He wasn’t being racist but rather pointing to his eyes saying “you can see him.” He wouldn’t come out and say that as a defense in October because why would you give up that advantage knowing you’d see him in Game 7. Not likely but a thought.
mlb1225
The fans are the only one bringing it back up. Darvish, nor Gurriel have said nothing since the incident.Like JFInasty said, they handled it maturely, and Darvish didn’t even seem to care too much, and forgave him.
steven st croix
That would be a fantastic get for them. YU and Lucroy would probably make them the favorites to win the whole thing again.
limjaheytrailerparksupervisor
I’d hope he asks the Astros to pay out extra if they want him after the incident in the world series.
bastros88
yeah, pretty sure that won’t happen. Both players have moved on from it, except obviously some fans, which is a shame really
Astros44
Ppl really love making news out of nothing. The kids these days would call that…fake news
Kslaw
They aren’t kids. They are millenials. Which is much much worse.
Yankeepatriot
It’s old news now and yuli apologized for it. It won’t effect anything
saintchristafa
I can’t imagine Yu (or any player) saying “I need an extra 3.5 million per year because this player racially taunted me during a 2017 World Series Game.” I think some fans haven’t moved on from it because of the high emotions during the World Series, especially many Dodgers fans. But no worries, because there are plenty of other racial/social issues we could be angry about. But for some reason, this one incident takes the cake for a lot of folks.
OnlyRaysFan
Yeah you’re right. He should get a nice bonus for giving the Astros their first championship
limjaheytrailerparksupervisor
Probably should have just added (sarcasm) to end the of my post, guess it wasn’t obvious.
JKB 2
Why even post if that nonesense is what you have
Yankeepatriot
Altuve, correa and Springer are all worth 25 million AAV imo and if you add darvish to that group that will be around 100 million AAV tied to 4 players. I’m interested to see how Huston will handle these salaries. Anyone thinks hometown discounts will come into play ?
kcusgnikcufsregdod
Doubt it. I also dont know how serious Darvish is about Houston. Could just be a ploy to develop a stronger market and get Cubs to add on more years/ $ in offer
Ry.the.Stunner
Why would the Astros care whether or not the Cubs sign him? They’re not rivals and would only ever meet in a World Series.
Kslaw
I’m thinking he is saying that Darvish met with the Astros to drive up the Cubs price. Not that the Astros met with Darvish to drive up the Cubs price.
saintchristafa
Apparently, Jim Crane has cash. There were reports saying that he would be willing to take on Stanton during the Stanton Trade Saga episode 1. However, the only player I could see taking on somewhat of a discount is Altuve, even with Scott Boras as his agent.
Yankeepatriot
Has a Boras client ever given a discount before ? Altuve would be the first that I can think of if it happens
vtadave
Jered Weaver certainly gave the Angels a discount.
Joe Kerr
and he gave the Padres a discount on his pitching, only pitched 30% effective.
Kslaw
Altuve already did the discount thing once. Only way he does it again is if Correa does but Correa has already publically said he will not sign a team friendly extension. Will he interesting to see.
thatdude69
Altuve will still get a big deal, but it could be below market value. He absolutely loves Houston and that the team gave him a chance to play. Also Correa has said multiple times he wants to stay in Houston long term and play with Altuve for another 15 years. I can honestly see them letting Springer walk though tbh
Yankeepatriot
You can’t just let a talent like Springer walk though. That would be insane ! I know Huston fans love him
Kslaw
He won’t be worth the money. He is already 28 I believe so will be on the backend of his prime when he gets paid. Would he hard to let him walk but I think it would be beat for the ream.
canajay12
Imo you need to keep Altuve, Springer and Correa together no matter the cost. Do whatever you can to assemble your pitching around them. Kuechel is great but if it were me I would take the 3 position players ahead of him.
That being said maybe their ownership is willing to spend like the Dodgers to keep this thing together. Another run to the World Series and you’d have to think they’ll up their spending significantly as its needed.
stros1fan
Correa is not a free agent for 4 more years and Springer won’t be for 3 more years. They could front load a Darvish contract to easily make it workable. Also, Verlander is off the books in 2 years, which coincides with Altuve becoming a free agent, so the money will be there.
Joe Kerr
Well said!
Howard-NY13
Twins are sneaky team for darvish like Yankees on Stanton
Yankeepatriot
My only thing is that they haven’t even tried to extend doizer which makes me question if they will spend that much on darvish. It’s possible but I don’t see them as the always dangerous “mystery team”. Then again joe mauer will be off the books after this season
Paul Heyman
What happens if mauer gets another extension from the twins?
Yankeepatriot
FAir point. He would cost less than his previous contract but it all depends on the twins budget which has never been that high. They need to extend sano and buxton too
davidcoonce74
I think you were being sarcastic, but I can’t imagine the Twins would extend Mauer. He’s an okay hitter if he was playing any other position but first, but his lack of power and immovable contract have hamstrung the team for a while now. He was a borderline Hall-of-fame talent as a catcher but the bat is pretty average or worse for a first baseman.
trace
If you can’t beat them, join them.
madmanTX
Put his locker next to Gurriel’s and watch the fireworks.
mlb1225
Why? They got over it, and it’s fans who keep bringing it back up.
tobyharrah1977
mlb1225 Wow you are so informed. You must have a locker inside the Astros clubhouse to be so knowledgeable.
mlb1225
I’m not saying they’d be best friends, but too professional to argue/fight about it in the clubhouse.
mlb1225
Both handled the situation professionally, and the only people that keep bringing it back up is the fans.
thatdude69
A rotation of Keuchel, Verlander, McCullers, Darvish and Morton would be down right scary to go along with that offense they have
nando390
They should give him a ring while they’re at it.
phantomofdb
Far more interested in him signing with the twins, personally. Would be a much more interesting twist for the twins to get the #1 mlbtr free agent
zachattack
Let’s get him to the Cubs not stros
extremecardinalsfan
LOL makes sense, they beat him down in the playoffs. Now he wants to be with them so they don’t destroy him again.
Wainofan
All three teams need to get in a bidding war and drive price up as high as possible, then he goes to cubs
michaelw
Typical stupid Card fan would post something like that. Kinda like the 20 million the cards are over paying beat up old has been wainwright.
Cubs can afford whatever he goes for. Unlike cheap MO becareful what you wish for.
timyanks
mo isn’t the owner
michaelw
I know that. He is still cheap riding on the heals of the owner.
While he has the Card fans believing every year. They finally did something this year to shut the Card fans up/ Mean time he is putting new wheels on his Ferrari and getting new B oobs for his ugly wife on Card fans money. Good luck.
Wainofan
Sensitive much? Sense of humor? Chill dude
simschifan
Cubs won’t go into a bidding war for Darvish. They don’t really need him
JKB 2
@wainofan
Keep hating pal. As a Cardinals fan that is all you have going. Sad.
Realtexan
Darvish has said many of times that he wants to stay in Texas to play. He has deep ties with the Rangers and both sides wants the reunion. I honestly see him signing with the Rangers if not then the Astros.
timyanks
wonder what mike maddox is telling the st louis brass? go or no go?
Wainofan
Either no go or they ignored him. They’re not interested
stroh
As a stros fan, my feeling is that Luhnow is kicking the tires on Darvish and Arrieta to see if the price comes down to a reasonable level (whatever that is) and at the same time is probably talking to the Rays about Archer and maybe to the Royals about Duffy. He’s said that if something makes sense and it will improve the club he will do so, but not at the risk of overpaying dollars for a free agent or overpaying on prospects in a trade. If the price or deal is right, the stros will be in it, otherwise someone else will. Good news is that the stros still have plenty of talent in the minors to bring up so not an urgent need.
houston turmoiler
Tend to agree here. Pure speculation but I think Archer might be the first choice of the front office; however Luhnow and Co. might not be thrilled with the price tag in terms of prospects so they’re investigating all angles, as well they should. If a starter is acquired, it probably puts Collin McHugh squarely on the trading block. Guess we’ll see.
Tom E. Snyder
McHugh did pretty well out of the pen. Maybe fewer innings would help him avoid injuries.
ty h.
Archer would be really good with the stros
kebotx
Wouldn’t mind us taking a run at Darvish. I think there is plenty of evidence to buy into Darvish tipping his pitches + the slick ball conspiracy that made him a non-factor in the WS. When half the battle is getting to the dance, where anything can happen, Darvish would help any team accomplish that.
We have plenty of 3-5 type pitchers to fill out our rotation yes, but if you have the opportunity to add a 1-2 guy w/out giving any prospects up, you may as well explore it. Front-load the contract so you have money in the future for extensions, or to make Darvish a desirable trade-chip w/out an albatross contract if worse comes to worse..
charles stevens
My money is on the Twins.
BoldyMinnesota
I wonder who’s gonna have to pay
Regi Green
If the Rangers needed to dump some salary, I’m sure the Phillies would take Hamels off their hands. Maybe even give back a former 1st pick pitching prospect to sweeten the pot.
Let’s do it!!
Phillies2017
Hamlels isnt a dead money contract yet. Doubt the Rangers attach a prospect
ty h.
Good joke
countryjedi3
Love to see him sign with Boston
Coal tender
It would do well for the Rangers not to sign Darvish. They have too many “heavy” contracts to deal with – Choo, Elvis, and Odor that come to mind.
astros_fan_84
I love this move for the Astros if the price is right. The contract ties in perfectly with their window.
Everyone who thinks the Astros are going to extend their core need to dream on. Springer will be too old. Altuve too expensive. I love Correa, but MLB is flush with quality shortstops. Their are other options. Take the QO pick and move on.
Tom E. Snyder
Keuchel is a FA after 2018; Altuve after 2019; Springer after 2020; Correa after 2021; Bregman after 2022..If we lose Correa, Bregman slides over.
Phillies2017
JD’s a good dude. Seems like the type of guy who maintains relationships with former players no strings attached.
CursedRangers
It is rare and refreshing these days. Not sure if the Rangers should go after Yu. Personally I feel that they have too many holes and they should be sellers. But that’s why I’m not a GM…
ty h.
JD is amazing but the ppl with the big money for the Rangers seem like they don’t like making big moves in the offseason… they wait until all star break to sign bigger names
SilvioDante
Sounds like the Cubs are out if he’s holding 2nd meetings w the Rangers and ‘Stros. Oh well, time to move on. #HelloChrisArcher
ChiSoxCity
Archer’s not worth what he Cubs would have to give up. T
Post Your Trade Proposal
Well the cubs shouldn’t have given him up in the Matt Garza trade in the 1st place then.
simschifan
Archer is overrated
ty h.
I think a profar, choo, and company for Chris Archer would be reasonable for both sides
ChiSoxCity
Seriously? Try again.
simschifan
Not necessarily
padam
Not an Astros fan, but I’d think they’d want to hold off signing Darvish to a long/large contact with the kids coming up for big paydays. Last thing you’d want is you can’t sign one of your own because you signed someone to a contract that now (at that moment) doesn’t make sense. All those kids are talented – would hate to see it get broken up.
As for Peacock, have they thought of using him as a closer (only if they do have a set 5 man rotation and he’s not part of it)? If he can pitch the innings, I wonder if he could close multiple 2 inning saves when necessary. Also puts Giles back as setup man, a role he could probably handle much better.
stroh
As a stros fan, agree with you on Darvish. I think he’s a good pitcher, but already 31 years old, and not worth $20M+/year on a greater than 3 year contract. Would rather that we let some of the young pitchers like Forrest Whitley and Cionel Perez come up and show their stuff. Peacock doesn’t strike me as a closer type, and Giles was very good during the regular season, he just needs to keep up his act during playoff time.
john william
I had dinner last night too. Thinking about doing it again tonight.
ty h.
Right.. if it’s not about baseball then who cares. More than half these rumors turn out to be fake news anyway
dbec72
He is going to Texas I bet. They like to overpay players.
CursedRangers
Surely not the Rangers. Choo, Odor, Elvis, Fielder, A-Rod, Chan-Ho Park, etc… can’t be considered overpaid players? Can they?
ty h.
Lol
txjags
Send them all to the Pit of Misery!
Dilly, Dilly!
ChiSoxCity
I see Darvish going to the Twins or Cubs, simply because they’re offering the most money and are poised to contend.
As others have said, clubs are waiting for the price to drop before making official offers. He’ll will most likely get 6 yrs/ $160MM.
stroh
Still an overpay. I think he’s worth 4 years, $80M and that’s based on performance from 2012-16, not last year. If it was based on last year, it’s 3 years, $50M. But he’ll probably get overpaid.
Lance
Yu is NOT an ace. He’s been a very inconsistent pitcher. But if someone decides he is and wants to give him David Price money, fine.
padam
He was an ace. Not sure if he still is, but his previous years would make him at least a solid two.
ty h.
Rangers suck unless they do something
mack22 2
Sure wish Darvish pitched for Houston in the WS, and the Dodgers got Verlander, things would have turned out different
dbec72
He wants to play for the Rangers and they like to overpay so I think they are just both discussing how much. The other teams could get him, but I think they will have to give him a much better deal.