Jacoby Ellsbury’s name was mentioned in trade talks between the Yankees and Diamondbacks, NJ Advance Media’s Brendan Kuty reports, and though “nothing is believed to be off the table,” Arizona didn’t have much interest in the veteran outfielder due to his big price tag. Ellsbury is owed over $63.3MM through the 2020 season, plus a $5MM of $21MM club option for 2021. He no longer has a starting job in the crowded New York outfield due to his underwhelming .261/.331/.372 slash line over the last three seasons, and it seems like the Yankees would surely have to eat some money to facilitate a trade, particularly with the D’Backs. Ellsbury can also block any deal due to his no-trade clause, though he does own a home in Arizona and he has a past relationship with D’Backs GM Mike Hazen from their time in the Red Sox organization.
Some more buzz from around the AL East…
- The Blue Jays are one of the teams who have spoken to the White Sox about outfielder Avisail Garcia, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports (Twitter link). Chicago doesn’t seem to be close to a deal, however. Garcia would be a solid answer for the Jays’ hole in right field, as the 26-year-old is coming off an All-Star season that saw him hit .330/.380/.506 with 18 homers over 561 PA. This success has led the Sox to put a high asking price on his services, though the Jays and other clubs will have to weigh that against Garcia’s .392 BABIP and lack of production prior to 2017.
- It was a pretty quiet Winter Meetings for the Blue Jays, though GM Ross Atkins tells Sportsnet.ca’s Ben Nicholson-Smith and other reporters that “it just feels like there’s momentum” towards some significant moves after some productive talks with other teams. Nicholson-Smith wonders if the rising prices in the free agent relief market could help Toronto, as the Jays have several much less-expensive middle relievers that could be available in trades. Joe Biagini figures to have received some interest from other teams, Nicholson-Smith speculates, though there hasn’t been any indication that the Jays would be looking to move the right-hander.
- There is considerable interest in how many years J.D. Martinez will land in his next contract, Alex Speier of the Boston Globe writes. Many in the industry feel Martinez will easily net a five-year deal, though going beyond that for a player who just turned 30 last August could test the comfort zone of several teams, including the Red Sox. (MLBTR, for the record, predicted Martinez for a six-year, $150MM deal.) Scott Boras, Martinez’s agent, set an early asking price of seven years and $210MM for his client, which seems like a very optimistic number now but Boras has a penchant for waiting under deeper in the offseason until he can find his clients an acceptable deal. This has made Boston’s pursuit of Martinez feel like “a staring contest” between Boras and Red Sox president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski, ESPN.com’s Scott Lauber writes, as Dombrowski is traditionally more aggressive in quickly landing his desired targets.
- The Orioles were again aggressive with Rule 5 selections, taking three players (left-hander Nestor Cortes and righties Pedro Araujo and Jose Mesa) in this morning’s draft, though they’ll now face a bit of a roster crunch, Eduardo A. Encina of the Baltimore Sun writes. With the O’s in need of southpaws in the pen, Cortes is the likeliest of the trio to actually spend the whole season on the team’s 25-man roster, which is required for Rule 5 picks to fully become property of their new teams. Araujo and Mesa are longer shots to take up valuable 25-man spots, though it’s possible Baltimore could work out trades with their original teams (the Cubs and Yankees, respectively) to officially acquire their rights.
redsox 1976
When Boston make big deal or transaction they don’t work( Adrian Gong-Price-Panda-Hanley etc..)for me,i will like they sign Santana, Nunéz or Cozart ! Trade Bradley for prospects and sign Carlos Gonsalez
dynamite drop in monty
Lol
Eric D.
Boston is trying to win now, trading JbJ for prospects is counter productive. Carlos Gonzalez is trash, why would they want him?
reflect
Hanley worked out quite well and Price has only been in Boston for 1 or 2 years so far. Give him a chance.
redsox 1976
Hanley quite well?Price pitch well for Détroit and Toronto before us!!
soggycereal
learn english
kiwimlbfan
Really? How offensive. A country like yours that is made up of immigrants? Get civil and make a positive contribution to the blog.
Dodgethis
Immigrants by definition assimilate, aliens do not. A true immigrant learns the language of the land. Sorry if facts and definitions are against you.
muskie73
Then how did the United States end up with the language of England instead of the languages of the indigenous people of North America?
Convectess
Please look up the definition of Immigrants and stop making up facts.Let me guess you believe the official language of the U.S.A. is English.
mikeyank55
Cargo is the perfect malcontent to mix up the clubhouse w Hanley.
Trader Dave will cave w Boras to sign J D for 7 years and $219 million to show John Henry that he can keep up w Yankees.
Oh what the press and fans are going to do with him in Boston the first time that he wears a glove.
In the meantime, Hanley is already brewing as he DOES NOT want to play first base again.
GarryHarris
The French-Indian war is the strongest determining factor. Which of the nearly 100 Indigenous language do you recommend? None are written and neighboring tribes needed interpreters.
If you want to divide a nation, use multiple languages..
dave13
Red Sox 1976 please delete your account. You post on every article the dumbest things about the Red Sox it’s obnoxious. One article you want them to sign everyone
redsox 1976
What you propose Davy13? Don’t read my post!! I give my idea and thats it!!
T-Dawg
Is your real name Ben Charington??
strosguy
I bet it is…..
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
No its bigPapi4Ever
costergaard2
I miss BigPapi and “his” Sox
dynamite drop in monty
No! I love his posts. They’re adorable.
Connorsoxfan
The reincarnation of bigpapi4ever… it’ll get old soon don’t worry
jrwhite21
I’m with you. Although for me, it’s already gotten old
qbass187
That’s not a good offseason
padam
Google translate responded with “WTF?”
Charlie 5
The only way I see the Sox trading JBJ is if they get Machado in return. Obviously the Sox trade more than just Bradley
card collector18
Just get ellsbury out of here already lol
redsox 1976
2013! They get Gomes-Ross-Peavy and Napoli
jrwhite21
Lol he’s not a Sox fan. And peavy was a deadline acquisition. So you’re not wrong, but you’re not right either
Yankeepatriot
Any trade news about pillsbury excites me literally as it gives me 1% hope that he is flipped
lesterdnightfly
“Pillsbury”? The only thing about Pillsbury that gets flipped is pancake batter.
(I get it: Batter up !)
outinleftfield
Gotta love autocorrect.
martyvan90
Angelos gets back at those Damn Yankees. Go Peter.
venom
Angelos is terrible for the orioles organization and that is why they’ll never a World Series under him. Remind me again how he is getting back at the Yankees?
mike156
Taking their players in Rule 5 draft, and insisting that Machado never see a pinstriped uniform.
mikeyank55
Hey Mile156–Angelos is a man of his word too. Machado is a FREE AGENT in ten months so you should not hold your breath too long.
Where he goes nobody knows. What is in the history book is a cranky old lawyer who has done ZERO for bringing a winner to Baltimore.
He’s a bit like Wilpon; frugality states rationale team building and on occasion he backs himself into a corner when he must spend. In those instances the two of them resemble a kid with a fire hose out of control. So they pick the wrong player, dump the money on the table and then after the fact tell fans, “I told you so”.
agentx
And consistently finishing 2-3 spaces behind New York in the standings. That’s right, Angelos. You’re really showing them!!
SundownDevil
Mark, please take the time to proofread and link the correct Jose Mesa, and not the one that wanted to kill Omar Vizquel.
NOPelicanFangirl696969
Yankees need to pack prospects with ellsbury if they hope to get rid of his trash contract
Yankeepatriot
I’d rather relegate him to a part time player than give up food to top prospects with him just to flip him at this point due to the fact that the Yankees will be under the luxury tax threshold easily at this point despite him being on the roster
jimbenwal
Agreed. If they need to give up quality prospects and still pay down his contract, they would better off keeping him as a bench piece or if the need arises to call up someone who will better lead to wins, drop him and eat the money.
jbigz12
The Yankees are a prime example of a team who can easily eat the luxury tax. They aren’t hurting for cash.
Perksy
I have this staying under the luxury tax thing. All it’s going to do is force the Yankees to sign more bad contracts. I’m a huge Yankee fan and I wish they would operate under a little bit of a smaller payroll all the time. I’m one of the few that dislikes the Stanton acquisition. I think in 5 years it will be the same as Ellsbury now where we can’t get rid of him and are stuck in the bad contract.
jrwhite21
I concur. I don’t necessarily see him aging well.
costergaard2
I don’t want to see the Yankees lose prospects or a lot of cash. Ellsbury can be a 4th OF or get the job back from Hicks.
Also, take a look at Stanton. $22mm AAV will look cheap once Harper and Machado go through free agency. Barring injury, Stanton will have good or great production and will opt out.
Hopefully, the Yankees will have learned from ARod and will not re-sign him for a long term deal (shorter could be fine)
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
the odds of him opting out are very slim and I don’t think it’s a good long term deal at all
mistertmo
The Stanton trade is about more than just Stanton. He’s there to protect Judge at this early stage in his career. We learned in the playoffs that if you pitch to Judge he’s dangerous. If you can pitch around him, you can control him. Well, pitching around him is out of the question now. Which will enable him to thrive as he matures as a player. Stanton’s presence in Judge’s formative years will yield long-term results.
Bruin1012
Yankees need to hope that Ellsbury will waive his ntc. If he doesn’t and it appears he doesn’t want to it’s a moot point.
gorav114
I think he would just for regular playing time.
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
I’d rather play 2 times a week with the Yanks than be the Marlins starting center foelder
Dodgethis
Nobody is going to take on his contract. Yankees would he stuck with him even without the NTC
Mario93
Would my Jays finally do something….
ThePriceWasRight
yeah. they want to go after the one guy who is more of a regression candidate than Smoak.
This front office is a joke.
Yankeepatriot
The jays seriously should trade Smoak as his value won’t be any higher than it is right now and like you said he is a big regression candidate due to his horrible track record
jbigz12
Smoak always had the potential to hit like that. He was rushed up to the big leagues. His babip was a very reasonable .285. Just started driving the ball a whole hell of a lot more. Smoak will probably pull back but I don’t think it’ll be as significant as people may think. Avi Garcia is a different story.. if he repeats last year I will be completely shocked.
ThePriceWasRight
where does he play. he’s an awful fielder and the jays dh position is plugged by kendrys
gizmoldp46
well for starters he was already regressing for the last 2 months of the season to statistical norms, so yeah very little chance he repeats the first four months of last season
wsox05
Do you mean Avi’s final 2 months? I really hope not, because that means you just guessed. In August he hit .423/.481/.521 and in Sept/Oct he hit .355/.410/.561. The only month he struggled was July when he was battling a nagging injury and only played 13 games.
He changed his approach for hitting.
Mario93
Exactly. Jay Bruce probably.. Screams decline to me.
BoldyMinnesota
What in Smoaks game last year screamed regression?
jimmertee
Smoak came into 2017 with 3000 AB’s in the majors and 6 years of playing. A bat doesn’t get better or speed up becuase he decided to change swing plane. That cannot happen without help. I saw swings on him last year that he never had before and was not in his ability, ever.
Then he shared that he used a Psychologist in the 2016 off season and the light goes on. I am guessing adderall, a MLB legal exception PED attention deficit prescription. Google the Tor Star article to see how it works. 10% of MLB players are legally on it. the rate in normal society is much lower. My bet is Smoak is on it legally too and that is the cause of his production surge. But Adderall is highly addictive and the initial benefits wear off over long term use and players usually go in the tank. Chris Davis of Baltimore is a good [admitted] example of a longterm adderall user. Look at his stats when he presumbly started and look now. Big difference.
rxbrgr
I wonder if Ellsbury came up in talks for Greinke, who the Yankees had interest in. He’d seem like necessary salary ballast in such a deal due to the Yank’s luxury tax concerns.
Yankeepatriot
They are a contender and need frenzied at the top of their rotation so I would be kind of surprised if they flip him
lesterdnightfly
Lots of teams have rotations that are frenzied.
sportsfan101
You must have no baseball knowledge to think the snakes would legit take ells back for greinke? He’s an older worse version of pollock. Use your brain not what you want to happen. Come on man
Connorsoxfan
It would just be to offset salary, so they could also do it if the D-Backs just sent enough cash to the Yanks for them to waive Ellsbury for free, but that wouldn’t make any sense.
VABlitz
Probably more Ells + Cash for Drury. The Yankees need a 2B/3B and he plays both positions..
Aircool
You know. I’m getting really sick of people quoting BABIP as a justification for why player X hit Average Y. What is Avisail Garcia’s BABIP supposed to be? BABIP is ALWAYS higher than Batting Average, that’s how it works. After all, you can go out on balls not put in play, which lowers your batting average.. But you cannot get a hit on a ball that is not put in player (Except HRs). Which means, any hitter who does not hit a lot of homers is ALWAYS without exception going to have a higher BABIP than his average. I wonder what Ichiro’s career BABIP was during his prime, it’s probably some laughable number like 0.430….
Edit: After looking at Ichiro. It’s clearly a horrible example. After all, the man almost never struck out. It would be better to look at a high average hitter who got deeper into counts than he did. Still the point stands nonetheless, BABIP is severely mis AND over-used.
Yankeepatriot
Babip to me is a flawed stat but is is an indicatior of luck. We have seen mediocre players have high babip for one season and it results in good numbers but fall off a cliff again the following season onward
Aircool
If applied correctly, I agree. I’m just doing some comparisons now to get a more informed sense of Avisail Garcia.
Babe Ruth is a career 0.342 hitter but his career BABIP was 0.339. That’s because he hit so many homeruns, and didn’t strike out too much. He’s an outlier. So is Lou Gehrig. But Joey Votto is a career 0.313 hitter, and his career BABIP is 0.354. Is that an indicator of regression? Or does Joey Votto just strike out enough to make his BABIP seem inflated?
Any hitter who strikeouts a fair bit, and doesn’t hit for power (well, really just Home Runs). So basically any hitter who has a high percentage of their contact resulting in line drives, and also strikes out, will have an “Inflated” BABIP.
I actually think of Miguel Cabrera as an example of this, but he hits a lot of homers. His career average is 0.317, but his BABIP is 0.344… That’s quite inflated for someone who hits with the power he does. (more than 1/6 hits are a homerun for him) Derek Jeter has a career 0.310 avg, his BABIP is 0..350.
I’m just wondering what is your BABIP supposed to be when you hit 0.330 with practically a 20% (AKA league average) strikeout percentage? 0.392 might be a LITTLE inflated, but by how much? 15 points at most? So his average SHOULD have been 0.320? So like 4 less hits in a season then? It’s inconsequential. Hardly a reliable metric to anticipate regression, he may regress, but because of his BABIP? That seems ridiculous.
beajd27
It’s not that his BABIP is high, it’s comparing that number to his career BABIP. Garcias was never that high before, and since it’s a measure of luck for the most part, it’s easy to see that his average will fall once his BABIP comes back towards career norms.
Priggs89
I agree to an extent, but people are way too quick to call somebody “lucky” or “unlucky” based on one simple stat without caring to dig any deeper. Personally, I don’t think you can fall back on the lucky/unlucky argument without looking at the batted ball profile at the very least. If the batted ball profile is similar to previous years but the BABIP is much higher, then I’m fine with calling it luck. But most people on here tend to see a high BABIP and start screaming how lucky a guy was without doing any other research, and that’s just uninformed and lazy.
*This has nothing to do with Avi – I haven’t cared enough to research him at all since he’s already on the White Sox. This is more of an in general type post.
Aircool
That’s not what the post says. It just specifies his batting line and his BABIP for the season. Still, how would you discern between improvements and luck then? It’s just too arbitrary and just generally ridiculous and illogical to chalk up a SEASON’s worth of a sample to “luck” because a stat that is ALMOST ALWAYS higher than someone’s average was as it should have been, higher than their average.
I doubt there is anyone worth their salt in Sabermetrics that would base an entire argument on BABIP, without looking at any sort of context, like Priggs was mentioning in his post, things like the batted ball profile would be used to investigate. Not saying that’s what is happening in this post, but I think BABIP is probably the most overrated and over-cited statistic in baseball.. And I don’t think it’s use in this post was particularly valuable.
I’m not even really annoyed at it’s use in this post, as I am becoming annoyed at it’s general over-use and misuse. This post just being a small piece in the overall puzzle of my annoyance.
Bruin1012
Well when it comes to Avasail Garcia his BABIP was .392 which is not a sustainable BABIP. When I look at someone’s BABIP I also look at there hit profile, and his hit profile is better then it was in years past but still not conducive to a sky high BABIP. I do believe players get lucky from time to time and I believe that Avasail was fortunate. I’m not saying he hasn’t improved because his hit profile shows that he clearly has but to expect him to hit the way he did last year moving forward people are going to be very disappointed if that’s what you think. BABIP has to be taken in context and you most definitely have to look at the players hit profile as well. Typically players that hit the ball harder are going to have a higher BABIP which is why Miggy’s BABIP is also so high or if you are really fast you can get a higher BABIP then what your hit profile is because you beat out infield hits at a greater percentage then a slower person. Once you look at all of these things you can determine if the players BABIP is a good indicator of future performance or not. When someone has a near .400 BABIP it is more then likely that they won’t be able to sustain anywhere near that and some regression is expected which is the case with Avisail.
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
the thing about Garcia is that made worse contact this year than he did the previous year in terms of exit velocity I definitely think he was just lucky and I think of the regress back to what he has been
jbigz12
avi Garcia 390+ babip and he hit a ton of singles to hit that number. If that doesn’t scream regression to you, idk. Mentioning his BABIP is extremely relevant. Avi struck out under 20% of his abs last year so that doesn’t really hold weight. BABIP is a very good indicator. Obviously there’s situations where it needs to be interpreted differently, like most other stats. A slap hitter like a Ben revere, Dee Gordon, dyson etc are all going to carry higher BABIP’s than what is considered average. A guy like avi who k’s under 20% hits tons of singles, isn’t fast and has never approached that number before, whole different ball game.
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
the other key thing to remember about babip is that if you are consistently higher it probably means that you’re just consistently higher but if you have one really high season it’s probably just luck
kidaplus
Few reasons that factor into Garcia’s raised BAPiP that I saw mostly ignored in favor of the luck explanation this year:
He came in 15lbs and cut a tenth of a second of his home to first time to around a 4.11 average… not among the burners but that puts him in the upper tier top 100 territory. He ended up 3rd in infield hits.
Another is he that used way more of the field/plate that he did in previous years… his pull rate was near 50%… he’d never been over 40% before. That’s a huge jump. Turning the inside pitch to a strength to weakness. Getting hits from a zone that was a desert is gonna add a lot to the BA.
Most importantly, simple pitch selection… he swung at 40% less un-hittable high fastballs and chased way fewer bad breaking balls he had no hope of doing anything with.
He went from .214 BA .298 slug vs sliders in ’16 to .310/.578 in ’17. And from .133/.178 to .306/.417
Sorry, but that kind of change is well beyond “hitting them where they ain’t luck.”
Much more to do with a guy who has always had the tools finally having a decent approach and a plan at the plate as opposed to having just about the absolute worst one in the game and no plan at all.
Do I think he’s gonna contend for the batting crown and be a .330/900 ops guy every year? No.
Do I think he’s gonna be a .245/700 ops guy who only uses half the field and plate? No.
Do I think he’s gonna be a solid but spectacular .280/800 guy in the middle of that? Probably.
GRBrant61455
The Yankees always GIVE up Nothing in trades because of the We are Eating all this Salary, so you get Lesser Prospects. .(Old Bobby Abreu trade) and they Always have a Sucker Team To Take Their Castoffs And Their Salaries Without Paying Anything Toward the Departing Player, That they want to move on from.
lesterdnightfly
CAL (Capital Letters Abuse) is serious. Seek help.
jerseyjohn
Oh please complaining about the Yankees getting rid of their castoffs for nothing.You do remember how the Dodgers single handedly took all the Sox garbage contracts for them and enabled them to binge on FA’s and win a WS? I still think the Dodgers deserve half of that title the Sox won.
JKB 2
Another Yankee fan playing the victim role. Boo hoo
kidaplus
Not a yankee fan, but I was disgusted by that.
Perksy
Yep, and the same thing will probably happen with Stanton in 5 years when the yanks look to get rid of the bad contract.
vmmercan 2
Yes because that happened with A-Rod and Ellsbury.
You quoted a trade from 11 years ago.
And did the Sox not do that in 2012 with all of their overpriced contracts at once? It’s something big market teams can do, just like small market teams can usually get better prospects back in a deal or have higher draft picks when they can afford to do a proper rebuild.
Priggs89
Vlad Jr. for Avi. Get it done Hahn.
Just kidding (hopefully that was obvious). I don’t know a ton about the Jays system outside of their top guys, but I for some reason I’d really like to have Pompey come back as a secondary piece. Couldn’t hurt to give someone with his talent a shot at the open CF spot.
ThePriceWasRight
take him.
jimmertee
Pompey has shown nothing in years except ability to steal bases. Severe concussion issues have hampered him. As far as CF goes he still has much work to do running routes and may never make it there. He is a “okay” prospect at best.
Priggs89
Hence the reason he wouldn’t be the main piece.
national pastime
I don’t understand Ellsbury he’s not going to play. Why would you want to be a part time player. Doesn’t he have any pride.
drcrawdad2009
Maybe he wants the Yanks to release him. Then he could control where he plays or just retire.
outinleftfield
Ellsbury can give you 68 million reasons why he would be willing to be a part-time player for the Yankees.
mehs
He gets paid either way and with his injury history riding the pine is better for his health short term and long term.
Perksy
The Ellsbury situation is what I’m afraid of with Stanton down the line. I think Stanton will be fine for a few years, but I can see 5 years from now when he is like 33 we’ll be saying damn still 5 years left and can’t get rid of this contract. I’m probably one of the few Yankee fans against acquiring him.
jerseyjohn
I didn’t want Stanton either. But with what they “paid” for him I’m cool with it. There is no end in sight for this style of contract as the owners can’t control themselves. Very few real long term deals hold up well. At least Stanton’s deal only carries him until 38, just imagine being the Angels and paying 4 more years on Pujols.
Empire Exoticz
Well hopefully at 33 he still hits like Nelson Cruz from the DH spot. 33 is not bad for a DH only power hitter. ellsbury on the other hand, only had one good season, it was a mistake from the beginning. Yiu can’t expect to sign players for 8 years and get 8 years of top production. If yiu been watching baseball, yiu know it doesn’t happen.
driftcat28 2
Dave Dombrowski is running the Red Sox franchise. It’s a dame shame what he’s doing there and he has no business being a part of that team. I’m the biggest Yankee fan but first and foremost I LOVE BASEBALL. I’d love a true rivalry but DD doesn’t know what he’s doing. I wish the Sox had a competent executive to make this exciting. The Sox are good but they’re not THERE yet. And with DD at the helm I don’t think they’ll get there. I long for the days of Theo. And I believe Cherington, given more time, would’ve built something special. It saddens me how bad DD is. Why he gets all the credit he does I’ll never understand.
driftcat28 2
I’m a little drunk so bare with me. The first sentence should’ve read – “Dave Dombrowski is ruining the Red Sox Franchise. It’s a damn shame what he’s doing there…
outinleftfield
What? The Red Sox won the AL East in 2017, the toughest division on baseball most years. With the return of Price, if they sign either Martinez or Hosmer they will be better in 2018.
I wish that Duke could do for the O’s what Dombrowski has done for the Red Sox.
rivera42
The Red Sox were supposed to win the AL East in 2017. It’s not hard to see though that going forward, the Yankees are better set up for the future.
driftcat28 2
Oh he won the AL East? That’s cool. How many World Series titles did he win following those division wins? It’s about World Series titles isn’t it? Dombrowski is so overrated, he guts farm systems and only once in 1997 did he bring home World Series. He’s a joke
mikeyank55
Predicting great things from Price is really outinleftfield; there’s evidence that from heavy mileage that he is wearing out physically AND the only thing that he has proven is that he is too thin skinned to play in a market like Boston.
Seriously, your team won the east by the skin of its teeth and in the playoffs proved it didn’t have any tooth. In face without Apple watches, you would have
missed the playoffs 😉
Beyond that you were sorely missing the big bat in the middle of the lineup.
Can’t wait to watch Trader Dave complete the ransacking of what was a very strong farm system.
yanks2009
They Still suck!!
JKB 2
Typical Yankee fan response. Pathetic
Kolukonu
Assuming Ellsbury would waive his NTC for regular playing time, I wonder what a package would look like.
With Arizona, I’m curious who else the Yanks would need to add in order to get Greinke.
I could see a deal for Zimmerman from Detroit or Kennedy from KC as well. Or some very low level prospects if the team is willing to take the entirety of the contact. If the Yanks have to eat a lot of the contract, I wonder how much in return they could get. Maybe around a 7-10 prospect range?
stymeedone
That’s fine from the Yankees side, but Detroit and KC are both in rebuild mode. Ellsbury’s contract doesn’t help with their payroll, nor does it help the rebuild. (Actually don’t see those pitchers helping the Yankees, either.)
hyraxwithaflamethrower
They’d help on the back end of the rotation, but yeah, the bigger issue is getting rebuilding teams to give up a prospect in exchange for taking on a declining player. Yankees would have to eat a bit of contract money to move him even without taking a prospect in return.
badmafia
The O’s need to trade Machado to the Yankees for 2 top line pitchers prospects and one Ellsbury…. and include signing off the 2 rule 5 draftee so they the O’s can run them back and forth on the roosters. Manny is gonna be a Yankee, why not get what you can now.
madmc44
The RS need to find some common ground for a Machado trade for a chance to win now.
This might be a trade to help the O’s and RS:
Machado, Trumbo and Britton for JBJ, Hanley, Swihart and Workman.
vmmercan 2
lol Machado alone would net JBJ and something better than Swihart and Workman, even for a year. And then the O’s eat Hanley’s remaining salary in exchange for Trumbo and Britton? OK.
ThePriceWasRight
what are you on cause i would avoid it in the future if I were you
madmc44
If the RSox are not going to give Castillo a chance again move his and Hanley’s contract to Detroit for Cabrera , Fulmer and Castellanos. it gets you potentially 40–50 Home Runs, two decent hitters. Include a Swihart , Brian Johnson., JBJ, ERod
OR perhaps ERod for Michael Fullmer
Huge salary dump for Tigers–expedite rebuild.
Cabrera, Fulmer and Castellanos for Hanley, Castillo, JBJ, ERod, Swihart, Brian Johnson
Arthur
Why would the Tigers trade 5 years of Fulmer and 4-5 years of Castellanos for only 3 years of JBJ and a #3 starter in E-rod the rest of that deal isn’t particularly valuable or productive
ThePriceWasRight
try throwing in a Groome and Travis along with Erod, JBJ, swihart and then you may land fulmer and miggy.
your original evaluations are way off
brucewayne
If the O’s are in such dire need of starters
brucewayne
, they should sign lefty Jamie Garcia. Can’t be any worse than what they’ve been doing !
Backatitagain
I am thinking Freddie Freeman and Matt Kemp to Boston for Jackie Bradley and Rafael Devers.
dwalker003
Quiet??
Were the blue jays executives even at these meetings??? Pathetic showing for one of the wealthiest teams and arguably one of the largest fan bases in the sport.
jimmertee
Amen.
infieldflyrule
Shatkins will be picking garbage up from the leftovers….again. (Sigh)
Nicole Dugan
How about Ellsbury plus a prospect and money to Arizona for Corbin and Descalso