Though Shohei Ohtani has not even yet been officially posted — that’s expected as soon as Friday — the supreme young talent is drawing plenty of attention from MLB organizations. Those clubs received a memorandum over the weekend asking them to provide information to Ohtani and his representatives on a variety of subjects, which is only the beginning of a highly unusual and utterly fascinating recruitment process.
Here’s the latest:
- Though Ohtani is limited to a signing bonus and a minor league contract in coming to the Major Leagues, he stands to earn substantially more through marketing endorsements, tweets USA Today’s Bob Nightengale. Marketing agents have predicted to Nightengale that between endorsements back in Japan and in the United States, Ohtani could command north of $20MM annually. That’d make him MLB’s highest-paid player in terms of off-the-field revenue.
- Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic spoke to agent Scott Boras (who was in the running to represent Ohtani before Ohtani signed CAA and Nez Balelo) as well as MLB chief legal officer Dan Halem about Ohtani’s earning capacity. Unsurprisingly, Boras offered sharp criticism of a system that won’t allow Ohtani to top a $3.535MM signing bonus at this point. “He is precocious, greatness cast adrift, forced into the MLB lifeboat,” said the always colorful Boras. “And his admission is handcuffs that prevent him from getting at least what his older, lesser valued peers received—in Tanaka’s case, more than $150 million.” Halem, as one would expect, wholly disagreed with Boras’ notions, pointing out that it was Ohtani who passed on the chance to sign with MLB clubs as an amateur out of high school, which could have jump-started his earning potential. And, it was Ohtani who asked to be posted as an amateur just two years before he could have been posted as a professional. The free column has quite a few quotes from both Boras and Halem on the matter and is well worth a full look.
Earlier Updates
- As teams sit down to their assigned task, Travis Sawchik of Fangraphs reasons that the questionnaire’s request for information on “player development, medical, training and player performance philosophies and capabilities” may be the single most important factor. As Joel Sherman of the New York Post writes, the new CBA’s inclusion of additional off-days ought to help make it easier for Ohtani to pitch and hit at the game’s highest level. Just how teams propose to accomplish that, in combination with the player health and fitness management they already utilize, could well be be a significant element in Ohtani’s decision.
- MLB.com’s Jon Morosi discusses the eight teams that he believes have the best shot at landing Japanese star Shohei Ohtani — while acknowledging that we still really don’t know what factors will drive the decision. It’s a worthwhile primer on some of the background considerations that may play into things. For instance, Morosi notes that Los Angeles is home to the largest mainland Japanese-American community, representing a potential feather in the cap for the Dodgers, though certainly several other competitive organizations can point to their own, similarly robust international communities and other such considerations. It’s all still reading tea leaves at this point; fortunately, we have SB Nation’s Grant Brisbee to gather and interpret them for us (in this post).
- Of course, as Morosi notes, the Rangers have done as much or more grunt work developing a presence in Japan as any organization. Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News recently broke down the team’s pursuit of Ohtani in a post that’s well worth a full read. Aiding the Rangers, he writes, is the fact that the organization has “laid groundwork in Japan for six years” and can point to its successes with Yu Darvish.
- The Reds have “serious interest” in Ohtani, as president of baseball operations Dick Williams says and C. Trent Rosecrans of the Cincinnati Enquirer reports. Williams says the team has “some optimism” that it “can make a case for why we would present a good opportunity” to a player that is looking at far more than just money. Like the Rays, another rumored small-market suitor, it seems the Cincinnati organization feels there’s little to lose by putting its best foot forward.
- Some bigger spenders have roster and other limitations that may impact their pitches to Ohtani. As Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post recently wrote, that seems to be the case for the Nationals. Still, the Nats evidently plan to be among the teams that respond to Ohtani’s inquiries and at least make an attempt to land him. Club president of baseball operations Mike Rizzo discussed his intentions on MLB Network yesterday (more on that, including audio, here).
- Both of the Bay Area organizations would surely also love to add Ohtani, as John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle writes, and each has dedicated some attention to watching him in the past. While their front offices weren’t looking to lobby much, Giants GM Bobby Evans called Ohtani “impressive” and Athletics GM David Forst says “a two-way player with his abilities would be an asset for any team.” To the extent that Ohtani prioritizes geographic proximity to his native Japan, the San Francisco-Oakland region would figure to hold appeal and might at least allow these organizations to get a foot in the door.
Sopro Found
Come to Cincy..join us until the brink..and be traded for 3-4 garbage prospects and a vet on the rebound!
stillerfan
LOL
mack22 2
Yeah…..LOL don’t hold your breath
jwag777 2
Same philosophy here with the Oakland A’s too. Frustrating….
Sopro Found
Between the Brown family’s Bengals, and pretty much the entire Red’s FO..all I can say is it’s exhausting to be a fan with so many ties to that city..
Michael Chaney
As a Browns fan, I’d gladly endure whatever the Bengals go through
Sopro Found
I would be wrong not to admit the phrase “there’s always the Browns” has provided me relief on a few sleepless nights…lol
JoeyPankake
Grant Brisbee is the greatest living baseball journalist.
Troutmagnet
Thanks, Joey Pankake, otherwise known as Grant Frisbee.
CCCTL
Way too much of a giants fanboy/apologist to be true.
redsfan48
The Reds’ best chance at Ohtani will be to leverage Hunter Greene in whatever way they can. I don’t know if they will have enough to offer Ohtani but they can certainly try, and it would be great to see him as a Red if it works out
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
How does Greene having anything to do with them getting Otani?
Joe Kerr
They are already developing a 2 way player, 1 step above 28 other clubs on that front. Doubtful that’s enough to get him to sign there if everyone else will let him play 2 ways also but you never know.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
I thought the Reds were only developing Greene as a pitcher.
Joe Kerr
If that’s the case, then my apologies. You could very well be correct and I missed it.
SuperSinker
I think the Rays and McKay are doing the dual threat. Same with LAD and Brett Eibner.
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
A September 15th article in the Cincinnati Equirer mentions that he’ll only pitch.
Chris Sale Amateur Tailor
*Enquirer
redsfan48
It is correct that Greene stated he will most likely only pitch now. But I have a feeling that if they would sign Ohtani, they would change their mind on that
JKB 2
I think he decided to only pitch
nymetsking
the questionnaire includes medical & training? That eliminates the Mets.
alexgordonbeckham
White Sox are very good about keeping their players off the dl.. They use the dl less than anyone: ftw.usatoday.com/2016/01/chicago-white-sox-mlb-inj…
They can also provide regular DH at bats between starts. I get that a lot of teams can provide DH at bats, but if he struggles, a contender will take him out of the spot. Now obviously he may be ok with that, but going to a team like the Sox gives him a longer leash and no risk of losing at bats.
marlinsman
Very true, but I wonder if he’s more interested in joining a team that is ready to win now. If he’s fine with waiting a couple years in Chicago, they would be scary good
IronBallsMcGinty
He sure would fit nicely into their rebuild. They also have the payroll flexibility for his extension. Maybe slick Rick can work some magic.
Priggs89
As awesome as that would be, I don’t see it happening.
Orland Sox
Adding Ohtani would accelerate the rebuild. The Sox have had good luck with previous Japanese players.
MHanny17
Please come to the Mariners
Joe Kerr
They have a real chance at him IMO, Closest in proximity to Japan and the history of previous Japanese players including of course Ichiro could help their case.
Jonnyboy
This is dragging on like the days before my childhood Christmas
Dock_Elvis
I’m awaiting the announcement that Ohtani and Giancarlo Stanton have both decided to forgo the 2018 season to live together on an island.
lowtalker1
Coronado ?
Dock_Elvis
Very close to Petco. I wonder if either has an allergy to dog day at the park, or a ln organization that can’t seem to grasp they need to be in brown uniforms.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Will brown uniforms make the team play better?
Dock_Elvis
It hasnt been tried….Im game. But if you’re gonna lose…look good.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
I just find such discussions to be skirting around the actual issues. Like the Texas-sized black hole the Padres have at the shortstop position.
Gret1wg
He is allergic to Bubby Evans, just like everyone else, he even asked his translator if Bubby was an intern!!!
glassml
The most beautiful beach in California!
chrisduncanfan
You’re not being serious are you? I think these guys are real valuable, it’s a shame how this ole dirty mess has drug on. maybe they can both play for the dodgers, i feel bad that they haven’t won the big classic inawhile. just my two cents friend.
Dock_Elvis
Of course I wasn’t serious. Was just a funny idea that struck me. Those two alone on an island with zero press or publicity….livin out the good life.
Another scenario has Giancarlo Stanton purchasing Ohtani using his massive contract as bait….theres a certain Skipper and Gilligan scenario there.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Counting on it
lowtalker1
I’d love to see him play for an nl team
Baseball needs another mad bum
mikeyank55
Then the Mets have the advantage lowtalker. When they describe their internal organization and training methods Sandy can elaborate on the wide open opportunity to join a rotation filled with pitchers whom are continually breaking down. Also he would be guaranteed 60-80 starts in left field as Cespedes historically plays about 100 games anyway.
Jeff and Fred are getting excited. They are about to boot Shake Shack out of Citifield to make room for Sushi Studio.
ttinsley1434
Baseball needs another douchebag? No thanks, one is enough.
Priggs89
Baseball has plenty of those.
canajay12
I wonder if he will consider the jays. On paper they have similar things to offer a lot of other teams do such as DH at bats and a need for a top end starter.
Their core pitchers line up well in age with Ohtani as well and they have cap space freeing up over the next couple seasons to build around him (and retain him).
I have no idea how these foreign players view the Toronto/Canadian market but now that it’s a level playing field in terms of what teams can offer bidding for the player it’s going to be interesting to see if we can snag one of these premier postings.
theroyal19
I think the Blue Jays are a bigger dark horse candidate than the Giants and that goes for a handful of players simply because the Jays have more money to spend than SF
Joe Kerr
I doubt it only due to location being almost as far away as any from his native homeland. I have made my way to almost every ballpark, just not Miami and I was really impressed with the city of Toronto. Easily the cleanest big city I have ever been to.
DoItDoug
Boston is further away from Japan then Toronto. Don’t really see that as being an issue.
Gret1wg
That Matters, what a dumb a—s!
JoeyPankake
They guy is literally leaving hundreds of millions of dollars on the table to come here now. A few million dollars difference in what the lowest team can offer and what the highest team can offer won’t be what he is considering. If anything financial, he is probably more concerned with the franchises overall valuation and their ability to offer him a lucrative extension. Giants principle owner is also worth 6.4 billion dollars, so if they want to blow past the luxury tax they could easily do that with his blessing.
alexgordonbeckham
Smoak at 1B and Morales having to DH kinda clogs that spot.
jdgoat
Morales gets fired to the moon, problem solved
SuperSinker
Ya fire him into orbit with the same cannon that flat-earth donkey is using.
bigdaddyt
Good luck with that morales would slow the rocket down and would only end up at the steam whistle brewery
canajay12
I’m thinking if you get Ohtani you don’t really care about Morales. He becomes DH when Ohtani pitches and the odd off day or if Ohtani can’t hit lefties then slide morales in I dunno either way I don’t think an old slow DH will come before Ohtani.
Cat Mando
I constantly see writers and poster comment on certain cities Japanese population as a draw. Granted it is understandable that players would miss their homeland’s cultural comforts like foods, entertainment etc but one of the points in the memo was .“Resources for Shohei’s cultural assimilation;” It was also stated In SI article, that was released in conjunction with the 60 minutes piece, that “He practices his improving English with the gaijin. (American players)”. He has been doing that a while in anticipation of coming here.
Just seems like fitting in is more important to him than a large Japanese population.
Joe Kerr
I would love for my favorite team to get him of course but it would be a breath of fresh air if he didn’t pick the club with the most money to give and/or the closest to Japan. I would find it really interesting if he picks someone that not many saw coming.
baseballpun
Ohtani to Kansas City.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
I swear the writers all have blankets with Shohei Otani’s face on them and wear Giancarlo Stanton pajamas to bed.
CursedRangers
With a nightstand of Kapernack next to their bed
jmi1950
I have a JD Martinez blanket, Hosmer PJ’s and a picture of Scott Boras on my bed pan.
Dock_Elvis
On your bed pan….thats awesome.
Coast1
In 2015 only 6 baseball players earned more than $1 million in endorsements and David Ortiz was the highest at $4 million. Tanaka made the most of any Yankee at $1 million. If he earns $20 million he’d earn as much as the top 11 players combined in 2015. Ohtani will be a player no one knows who probably doesn’t speak English. I doubt he’s getting much stateside in endorsements. I assume Tanaka’s $1 million includes Japanese income. So I doubt there’s that much more for Ohtani there.
Nightengale is repeating something inaccurate.
Paramatic
Boras is complaining that older, less talented players would earn more than Ohtani. But that’s not unique to the posting system. Most 22 year olds earn less than older players, that’s the nature of the contract and arbitration system.
Had he gone through the amateur draft he’d likely be a pre-arbitration rookie or sophomore on league minimum with years of club control ahead of him.
jmi1950
Most people think NYY are helped by the fact that Matsui won the WS MVP in 2009 and Tanaka opted in, but a Japanese–Amer. friend tells me that may be a negative because in Japanese culture a younger person is expected to show extreme deference to his elders. The same with the Red Sox who have four former players with WS rings — Matsusaka, Okajima, Uehara & Tazawa. Ditto Ichiro being an icon in Seattle. NL teams have no DH., which hurts them on the days he doesn’t pitch but helps when he pitches. Therefore, many AL teams that seem unlikely to sign him using “normal American factors” may have a better chance than most MLB fans think.
Dock_Elvis
So, just to clarify…you’re saying he might not sign with the Yankees because if he were to win a ws mbp it might show up an elder who’s retired who previously won it with the same team. He wouldnt want to be a Mariner because it’s Ichiros “team”. Thats an interesting concept but im not sure the deferential thing will hold water. It seems like most major market teams have had Japanese players at this time. Im curious this came from your japanese-american friend…just trying to grasp this.
Does this also imply that of Matsui called and requested he go with the Yankees that hed oblige out of deferential obligation? Perhaps the elder he respects most hold most recruiting power?
I also wonder who’s been recruiting him on the down low the past few years. Hes certainly likely developed some relationships.
jmi1950
All my friend said was that the article he read assumed that Ohtani would think like someone born in the USA. I am not an expert but the way it was explained is that the relationship of the parties establishes how they interact. Until Ohtani joins an organization and has a relationship he doesn’t have to defer to anyone. I do know that US Corporations routinely use cultural experts when making international proposals.
AlvaroEspinoza 2
It’s pretty clear that “player development, medical, training…” is the LEAST most important.
I’ll admit I’m wrong when he signs with Tampa.
AZPat
I think he’ll sign with whatever team his sponsors want him to sign with. Follow the money.
Dock_Elvis
My latest scenario has Ginacarlo Stanton purchasing Ohtani using his current contract, then they sail the seven seas…laughing aboard their boat as to what 2018 would have been like if they continued to tantalize the baseball world. Stanton basically is the Skipper, and Ohtani spends most of the time not understanding a word he’s saying…
Stanton: “The pitch hit me right here! Hey pass the salt…Ohtani! Dude, heads up on the boat alright”
Ohtani: “You’re a big guy! Salt hit you right in the face, huh? Very interesting.”
Yankster 2
Othani will be wearing pinstripes in no time .. and there can finally be an end to all these shenanigans ..
Severino
Tanaka
Gray
Ohtani
Montgomery
CC Sabathia/Alex Cobb
mlb1225
They’ll save their money now, and go after Harper next off season.
rycm131
He’s not going to Oakland
Pops
And this is why Baltimore should hang on to it’s International signing cashola. Oh well…