The Cardinals are more likely to trade for an impact bat than sign one, suggests Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Peter Gammons of GammonsDaily.com reported Saturday that the Cardinals are willing to offer “one of their best young pitchers” for Marlins right fielder Giancarlo Stanton, and Goold adds that the Redbirds will have discussions with Miami about both Stanton and center fielder Christian Yelich this offseason.
Meanwhile, a much-needed addition to the Cardinals’ bullpen could come soon. The Cards have reached out to representatives for certain impending free agent relievers this weekend, relays Goold, who expects them to pursue a closer and possibly a setup man. Trading for bullpen help also seems possible, as the Cardinals are facing a 40-man roster logjam in advance of next month’s Rule 5 draft. With the need to finalize his 40-man by the Nov. 20 deadline, president of baseball operations John Mozeliak told Goold that the team may “consider moving two roster players for one. That kind of thing. We have to be open to try.”
- Former Rangers ace and soon-to-be free agent Yu Darvish is not atop their offseason wish list, Jeff Wilson of the Star-Telegram reports. The Rangers will contact Darvish’s agent during free agency, but the likelihood is that he’ll be too pricey to return to the team, per Wilson. With a Darvish reunion looking like a long shot, the Rangers might turn to another established free agent right-hander in Alex Cobb, whom they covet, according to Wilson. The longtime Ray, 30, returned from a 2015 Tommy John procedure in earnest this year, tossing 179 1/3 innings of 3.66 ERA/4.16 FIP ball.
- The Indians aren’t optimistic that they’ll be able to re-sign impending free agent reliever Bryan Shaw, Paul Hoynes of cleveland.com reports. Shaw has been an effective workhorse out of the Indians’ bullpen since 2013, having pitched to a 3.11 ERA across 358 2/3 innings during that five-year span, and appears poised to parlay his success in Cleveland into a contract out of the club’s price range. MLBTR projects a three-year, $21MM deal for Shaw, which the Indians believe will prove close to accurate, Terry Pluto of cleveland.com writes. With the soon-to-be 30-year-old Shaw apparently on his way out, the Tribe could feel more urgency to re-sign fellow impending free agent reliever Joe Smith, Hoynes notes. Smith, who will play his age-34 season in 2018, is fresh off a terrific campaign divided between Toronto and Cleveland.
I would love to see a Stanton-Yelich blockbuster.
As a Marlin fan, hoping we don’t give up both guys. From the cardinals end, it would probably take a package of Carson Kelly, Jack Flaherty, Harrison Bader, and two out of Dakota Hudson, Sandy Alcantara and Junior Fernandez… Miami would have to throw in money for Stanton for that type of haul though.
More I think, if both players move.
I bet the Marlins want Perez & Mercado included in any deal for Yelich, plus pitching.
Marlins literally just said Yelich isn’t getting moved, so I have no idea why Gammons said otherwise.
Because he has better information than the Marlins would provide to the media?
Kelly is the catcher of the future, yadi has 1 more season left as the FT guy then I see him as the Bullpen Coach or something in that capacity. The guy is going to be a Manager someday.
I created an account just to say how dumb the comment about Yadi becoming a bullpen coach is.
Agree. He just signed a 3yr ext @ 15or 20 mil per. Not to be a bullpen coach. Wow
If they were to trade for Stanton/Yelich………what would they do with Pham, Dex, Piscotty, Grichuk, Bader, Martinez?
Marlins won’t take Dex or Piscotty (contract $$)
Pham deserves to play everyday
Dex has a no-trade clause
Martinez turns 30 next summer
Yelich will require a Haul for Miami to move him
Weaver, Flaherty, Grichuk, Bader, O’Neill, Perez, and Mercado might be the ask for Stanton/Yelich…..LOL
Why are you trading away Pham?
Plus I don’t think Piscotty’s deal is so bad that they wouldn’t take it on
Sorry, that wasn’t clear, I guess….
Definitely NOT trading Pham. ….He’s the everyday CF, and #2 hitter… in ’18 if I’m the Manager
Marlins want players under TC (Minimum salary guys) right now……Piscotty is not one of those, plus he hasn’t performed very well lately. Tough Sell, I think
Pham is 30 and eye issues the guy has peaked. I bet a deal of Pham, Reyes, Diaz and throw in Randell G gets the deal done for Stanton and and their closer. OF log jam taken care of with another
Who is this closer that you’re talking about? Ziegler?
He’s not the guy you want as a closer.
Barraclough? He’s been very good as a set-up guy, but has a ton of innings over the last 2 years.
??? I think there’s a reason you aren’t a GM. There’s a zero percent chance they trade their best player last year to get Stanton. Also doubtful Reyes moves anywhere. Randal probably gone but the package needs to have way more young talent and pitching involved. Could see Diaz going as well.
Agree!!!
Pham has exactly the attitude and ability that the cards need “On The Field” in ’18. And Reyes is the “Arm Of The Future” for them. Cornerstone type player (Hopefully). He looked pretty darn good in his cup of coffee.
The other suggestions have had Grich, Flaherty, Gomber, Fernandez, O’Neill, Bader, Sierra all mentioned as possible pieces to head to Miami (not all of them…….prob 3-4 of them). Diaz could be one of the guys.
how long do you think Pham has with his eye issues and being in the 30 yr club? Reyes also has health concerns.
Piscotty is making $1M this upcoming season. That’s a bargain if you believe he goes back to his 2016 self.
Barraclough but not in a closer role because I believe the Cards will land Holland.
Who cares? He put up 6war at $9mil/war at league minimum salary of $515,000 ish. Cards will ride him until arbitration and then see where things are at. Also, stop with the Reyes trade stuff. Coming off TJ surgery, he’s home grown, Cards have a lot invested at in him. He’s pitching for the Cards.
The Cards aren’t trading Reyes. If they want a closer that bad they’ll sign someone and keep Reyes.
I’m so relieved that your opinion holds zero impact on the real world cuz oh boy what a stupid idea
Piscotty is dirty cheap at just $1M this year, if that’s too much money for the Marlins they deserve to be contracted.
Jokes aside, the Cardinals will probably ask Miami about Yelich in their Stanton discussion, but I seriously doubt they’re moving both together, let alone Yelich alone.
A Stanton to cards trade would return a package of Grichuk, Flaherty and kelly with marlins eating some $$
Your funny!!
They won’t give up that package unless the Marlins eat half of Stanton’s contract which they won’t do either. Something along the lines of one of Flaherty, Weaver or Hudson plus Grichuk is more likely.
Hardly think Kelly is worth 150 million dollars. The package seems fair if the Marlins agree to eat about 50 million in years 2021 to 2028
Hmm, so earlier this week the Marlins specifically said Yelich is off the table, but now Gammons is saying the opposite? Who to believe? Who is lying?
The Marlins would be insane to include Yelich and Stanton in the same deal. Even though Stanton has a no trade clause which presumably limits his suitors, Marlins should deal Stanton, Ozuna, Yelich, Boar, Gordon, Realmuto all seperatley and start from scratch. Most of their values are at their highest right now.. Milk the process and get that Stanton albatross off the books, no brainer here. King Hahn over there in Chicago gave a perfect blueprint on an ideal rebuild.
Marlins should have the best farm system after all these moves are made. While the Cards seem to be a match for Stanton due to their young pitching, I doubt Stanton waives his no-trade to go to St. Louis, hence the Dodgers should just wait the Marlins out and have them include the appropriate money relative to Stanton’s contract for good young prospects in return.
Then the Jeter group can implement their long term planning on either investing in player development, analytics, sabermetrics, scouting dept etc. Then they can build Miami a true powerhouse, but they need to start from scratch and then implement the plan which makes sense from a financial, competative standpoint and reinvigorate or reinspire that fanbase.
“IThe Cards have reached out to representatives for certain impending free agent relievers this weekend, “
Isn’t MLB presently during the period when clubs with impending free agents where the clubs have their exclusive rights to negotiate? If so, how is this legal?
They can talk I believe, just no deals.
Mlb rules state you can contact a free agent and express interest but you aren’t able to work out a deal during this window period. It seems pretty strange but I guess it gives players a feel for if they want to test free agency or resign woth their club.
Also allows those offered a qualifying offer to see how much market interest there is in them and decide if it’s better to accept it or hit free agency.
remember when the cards came so close at signing david price, what if he accepted that deal?
“One of their best young pitchers”. That basically means Weaver or Flaherty.
Or Reyes
They give up Reyes and I’ll be ticked. I’d much rather give up Hudson, Flaherty or Weaver or a combo of the 2, than Reyes.
Highly doubt it’ll be Reyes. It’d most likely be Flaherty + a slightly lower one like Fernandez.
Reyes has alot of upside and arm issues that is who I would deal.
Reyes will not be an option.
They aren’t giving up Reyes.
Not necessarily. The Cardinals still have a few pitchers behind Weaver/Flaherty that they like a LOT. I believe Jordan Hicks came up in one of their trade discussions, and the Cardinals were unwilling to move him. They have Dakota Hudson who should be MLB-ready sometime later this next year, and Sandy Alcantara just went to the AFL. Those three could easily be the guys that Gammons was referring to.
That being said, I don’t see the Cardinals giving up an MLB-ready SP like Jack Flaherty without the Marlins eating a good chunk of salary. You don’t shed an albatross of a contract like Staton’s AND get a strong package haul back. It’s usually one or the other. Luke Weaver is effectively off-limits because of how well he pitched down the stretch AND the need in the rotation with him. And Reyes probably isn’t available since they’d be getting pennies on the dollar for him.
Calm down, I’d love to see both of them too. That report just means talk to Miami about both players…not acquiring both of them. There’s no way they would dump all of those prospects for those two players. They will acquire one outfielder this offseason and prospects will be used to address all the other problems unless free agents are found at a good price.
Pretty sure Darvish won’t be coming back to LA.
Phillies
The Astros should build a statue of Darvish outside of Minute Maid. That guy handed Houston the World Series. Take nothing away from the Astros, but Darvish screwed the Dodgers.
I’m coming around on the Darvish to the Phillies idea
Phillies makes sense
You have to give up top talent if your getting Stanton, and the Cards have what the Marlins want in the deal, pitching. I think this deal gets done early in the winter. I would think Jeter would ask for 2 of Weaver, Flarhety, Alcantara, and Mercado will be in the deal and the Marlins pay down the salary of Stanton.
I’m pretty sure Jeter isn’t the general manager. he’s the CEO.
Marlins will not eat much if any of his salary. It would defeat the purpose.
The Marlins could put Stanton on waivers right now and I’d be shocked if anyone picked him up. They are going to have to eat at least 10% or 20% of that contract if they want to get decent prospects in return. If they don’t want to fork over that much in salary the return will be minimal. Just depends on what their ultimate objective is.
If they don’t eat a bunch of Stantons contract, then don’t expect a lot back in a trade !
You’re not getting that much for Stanton, short of the Marlins eating a TON of salary. All of MLB knows the Marlins have to slash payroll significantly, and the quickest way to do that is to dump Stanton’s contract. Recent reports have had the Marlins wanting to put their salaries around $90M, which is nearly $41M based on guaranteed salaries and arbitration projections. That’s a ton of money, and given they’ve already said they’re not trading Yelich.
Outside of Stanton, the only players making notable money are Martin Prado, Edinson Volquez, Wei-Yin Chen, Dee Gordon, Brad Ziegler, and Junichi Tazawa. Given the season that Prado just had, you’d be lucky if anyone had any real interest in him and at best you’re probably eating part of the $28.5M left on his contract. Volquez just had TJS, so he’s a sunk cost. Given how bad Chen has been bad since he signed with Miami, there’s little chance he opts out and gives up that 3 years, $60M left on his contract. Dee Gordon has some value. Brad Ziegler at $9M probably doesn’t have much value, and probably in a best case scenario is a pure salary dump. Tazawa at $7M next year probably needs to have salary attached to him to be moved.
TL;DR the Marlins need to shed salary desperately, and the best (and easiest) way to do so is to deal Stanton. They’re not getting a strong package for him.
Your right
I’d rather see the Tribe sign Smith. Shaw made me hoarse from yelling at him when he gave up go-ahead runs.
Yes, but Shaw was a work horse who you could get up in the pen every single night. Somehow $7 million per year is out of the tribes price range but they paid that much for Logan last year and he was a waste and a one out specialist at best.
Shaw has been used up so much, good chance his best days are behind him and whoever signs him pays for past rather than future performance.
You’re right, and they’re not the type of team that can afford to pay a setup guy that much.
How about a deal with the Braves for Freddie Freeman, Nick Markakis, Matt Kemp and Jim Johnson for Nomar Mazara, Joey Gallo, Ronald Guzman, Keone Kela and Brett Nicholas. Leaves nothing left to work on except Starters for the Rangers and improves third base and get younger in the outfield for the Braves. Rangers can pick Flowers or Suzuki for catcher if they want.
This proposal makes zero sense for either side. The Rangers wouldn’t want to take on Markakis, Kemp, AND Johnson all like that, even if they got Freeman in return, and they definitely wouldn’t give up all that to get that package, while the Braves would never even consider trading Freeman to offload both Markakis and Kemp. Be real, your trade proposals have always been ridiculous.
I’m not saying the Cards will go after both Miami OFs, but it could be done. The type of package it would take to get Yelich alone would be something along the lines of Weaver, Flaherty and Hudson. Obviously Miami wants to get out from Stanton’s contract, but I still think it will take some good prospects even if a team pays all of the contract. I could see a package of Piscotty, Weaver, Flaherty, Hudson and Bader for Yelich and Stanton. The Cards could slide Yelich and Stanton into the corners with Dex in CF and Pham their 4th. The Fish get some MLB ready, cheap SPs and OFs to speed up any rebuild while also lowering the payroll that they desperately need to do.
Does your head hurt. There is no way Mo is giving up 2-3 of Weaver/Flaherty/Hudson for anything the Marlins have. Unless Jeter eats all of that contract which isn’t happening. They need to eat $50 mil and Mo gives them Hudson & Gomber. Or Flaherty by himself. That’s it.
Oh and Pham a 4th OF? Huh?? .300/.400./.500 don’t grow on trees and damn sure aren’t 4th OF. FYI
An offer of Flaherty for Stanton and 50M gets topped by literally anyone else.
As for Pham, yeah, hes no 4th outfielder, but hes due for some hard regression. His BABIP was 4th (or 5th?) in the league, so thats due to come down.
Jose Altuve had a higher BABIP but Pham had a higher LD%, Hard hit%, and average exit velocity. Is Altuve going to regress significantly as well?
I think you’re going to be disappointed if you’re expecting a strong haul for Stanton. With 10 years, $295M left even if you took off $50M that the Marlins would be assuming, his AAV is still $24.5M which would be 4th highest in all of baseball, which is where he currently is slotted. There’s not very many teams that have the kind of payroll flexibility to acquire that kind of salary.
Taking that kind of salary on would push teams like San Francisco, Boston, and Los Angeles (NL) into the luxury tax, which is part of the equation.
Ummm. I assume you understand Cards aren’t giving the fish any money right. Marlins would give Cards the money. With no trade clause, opt out in a couple years, it’s hard for the Marlins to expect much from anybody. Only a handful of teams can afford or that he’s willing to go to. Your probably talking 5 teams ish… Take Flaherty and maybe Grichuk or Mercado and be happy.
Yeah…the Marlins would be “assuming” some of Stanton’s contracts. There aren’t very many teams that can afford Stanton’s contract even if the Marlins ate some of the salary. Eating none of that salary makes that shrink even further.
Why would the Cardinals slide Yelich to a corner OF spot when he’s the superior CF? If anyone slides over it’s fowler. But not to worry, there’s very little chance that the Cards get both. I’ll be shocked if they get Stanton alone, what with that huge contract. The biggest FA signing they’ve ever had was Matt Holiday, 7 yrs. $120 million. That pales in comparison to what Stanton will make.
Because that billion dollar tv deal kicks in for next season
The Cards would laugh so hard at that trade! The Marlins are not getting what you think they will in any trade! Especially without eating a bunch of money on the contracts!
As much as I’d love to see the Phillies pet Stanton and/or Yellich away from Miami, there’s just no way they can compete with the pitching the Cards have to offer, especially because the Phillies are looking to add pitching themselves. I imagine Stanton will be a Cardinal by Thanksgiving.
I believe it is the first deal of the off season. I’m a huge cards fan but a realist. Pham is hot trade him, Reyes coming off arm issues makes dance too then throw in piscotty or Randell.
I have a hunch the return on a Stanton deal is going to disappoint Marlin fans unless the Marlins pay down a bunch of his contract which is the opposite of what the club wants to do. They want to get down to 90M. Paying even part of his contract will make that difficult . This is not a talent trade but basically a salary dump with few clubs able or willing to take on that salary.
Yup, don’t know why Marlins fans believe they will get such a high return and eat zero salary. The Marlins have clearly said its about the money and I just don’t believe any team will offer up a top prospect and eat it. The reason they will find a team to take such a contract is because said team likes getting a superstar without trading away farm. It’s basically pawning off a bad contract.
Cards should try for a Gordon/Stanton Package…Gordon led MLB with 60 stolen bases, not to mention was a gold glove winner, definite upgrade over Wong there….Could bat second after Carp (Carp has a good leadoff homerun threat, although last year was a bad year for him), and help set things up for Stanton later down the lineup…If Both could be had and Marlins need pitching, what about either 2 young Sp’s (Hudson, Weaver, Alacantra, or Flaherty, or even a starter such as Wacha), plus take an outfielder such as Grichuk/ Bader/O’neil in our farm system….So 2 pitchers, and an outfielder for the contracts of Stanton/Gordon…His contract is massive, but the Marlins need pitching more than anything really…
I don’t see it, the Cards won’t move Wong he’s almost untouchable to them.
Flip Wong. You’d almost assuredly flip Kolten Wong in a separate deal.
Just put Wong in in the Miami deal. i read somewhere the Marlins infield will be Bour, Anderson, Riddle, and Dietrich if they dump Gordon and Prado’s contract. They are going to need some infield
I think the angels go after Dee Gordon, something they need at the top of the line up , a table setter and a solid second basemen, they haven’t had one since kendrick was traded.
maybe a 3 team deal Cards, Marlins and Angels
Considering Gordon’s team-friendly contract, if the Angels don’t want to trade Jo Adell (which I’m sure they don’t), they’d have a hard time finding a deal without completely draining their system (which is already drained enough).
Whoa. D Gordon is not an upgrade over Wong in the field… Not even close. In your theory, where does Pham bat with Carp, Gordon Stanton. 4th?? Cmon. Pham is best at 2 hole. Even better with protection of Stanton.
Again, no way in hell Mo is giving up 2-3 top prospect pitchers for these bad contracts. He won’t do it. Why would he? Some of these suggestions…..
Honestly the Cards have the money I think they should take 90% of the contract and spend less prospects and the Marlins take 10%. I don’t like the whole Stanton and Yelich suggestion people are saying and outfield of Pham, Fowler, and Stanton would be great, don’t need to add Yelich and make things complicated. There are so many different players the Cards could give up for Stanton but I think a package of Hudson, Fernandez, and Grichuk might get it done. Marlins get a young RF to replace Stanton and the 2 young starters. And I know it’s no Flaherty or Weaver but the Marlins aren’t gonna get much from that contract.
Here’s a guy that’s making some sense. Could take Fernandez out and insert Gomber whose close to being a 4/5 starter. Which they need in the worst way.
Something to note: the Cardinals offered Flaherty and Piscotty for Sonny Gray, so, we can gather both those guys are on the table this winter. Doesn’t mean they’ll be traded (although Piscotty is most likely going the Giants or A’s to be closer to his ailing mother), but still worth knowing when trying to think about potential trades.
I have not heard that one would think it would take alot more than that for gray
How do you know Piscotty is ” most likely going?” You don’t! Neither do I , but I do know that Kelly, Reyes
and Weaver shouldn’t be traded for anybody! Especially a player that has a $300 mil contract ! That would cripple the team for other player signings.
The article said they are going to ask about Stanton amd Yelich. Not Stanton “and” Yelich.
Rumors are fun, but there’s been no indication that Stanton will waive his no-trade to go anywhere but a west coast contender.
Here’s a trade so crazy that it will never happen but could:
Stanton, Yelich, Prado, Chen
for
Fowler, Piscotty, Grichuk, Reyes, Diaz, O’Neill
If the Dodgers don’t want Stanton he may not have a better option then the STL.
Taking on the Prado/ Chen contract will lessen the cost.
Fowler may not like St. Louis so maybe he authorizes a trade. The Marlins can trade Piscotty,Grichuk, and Diaz for more prospects if they don’t fit in their long-term plan.
With Reyes, the Marlins get their future ace. O’Neill gives them a future power bat.
I can’t see the Cardinals doing that deal. Or being able to. That deal brings in over $58M in salary for this year alone. And they’re only giving up $18M in guaranteed salaries, which means they’d be assuming ~$40M in contracts. Right now, their payroll has a guaranteed $118M in guaranteed salaries. Adding that ~$40M in guaranteed salaries pushes the Cardinals to nearly $160M in payroll, which is more than $10M than their payroll was this year. And that’s with 11 players on guaranteed contracts. That’s not a financial model that would work, so it’s hard to do that deal from a pure $$$ standpoint.
That deal would increase the payroll by right around $35 million. With the increase in revenue from the new tv deal that could work. To me, if both sides agreed, this wouldn’t leave the Cardinals with much payroll to fix their bullpen and add starting pitching depth. Ideally, the birds would move Carpenter or Gyorko for a cheaper option.
So why do you even bring up the first proposal. Cards are not taking bad contracts just to work a deal. They never have and would presume not going to start.
Why would the Cardinals ever take Chen’s contract?
A Stanton trade might be fiscally possible for the Marlins and Dodgers IF THESE PARTICULAR MOVES are made prior to approaching the Marlins about Giancarlo Stanton. The Dodgers must first trade Yasmani Grandal Yasiel Puig and decline Logan Forsythe’s 9 million option. The Marlins want to cut payroll under 90 million and rid themselves overall of the Stanton 310 mill contract while the Dodgers would essentially want to get under or not go over the the luxury tax threshold that will cost 10 spots in the draft.
I personally think the Dodgers will decline Logan Forsythe’s option while selling high on Yasiel Puig and Yasmani Grandal Due to their depth in the big leagues and farm system at those relative positions. OF”s (Joc, CT3, Kike, Toles, Bellinger, Alex Verdugo, Yusniel Diaz, Jaren Kendall, DJ Peters, Starling Heredia) At Catcher we have Austin Barnes, Kyle Farmer, Keibert Ruiz, Will Smith and Connor Wong so Grandal and that salary should be expendable. If the Dodgers declined Forsythe (9 mill) while trading Grandal (projected 7.7 million salary 18′) and Yasiel Puig (9.2 million for 18′) this could only help replenish the farm and save about 26 million.that can go to our arb players. The Dodgers will keep Joc Pederson because he is only owed 2 mill in 18′ and still provides valueable depth after Gold Glove winning Puig’s departure.to a right field needy team.
The important part here is getting Stanton while staying below or staying near the point in not losing 10 spots in the draft….so lets take a look. The luxury tax threshold should be around 197 million. The Dodgers currently sit at about 177 million plus arbitration salary raises that need to be calculated:
Projected arbiltration salaries for Dodgers in 18′
Yasmani Grandal (5.115) – $7.7MM
Luis Avilan (4.146) – $2.3MM
Alex Wood (4.123) – $6.4MM
Tony Cingrani (4.088) – $2.2MM
Josh Fields (3.162) – $2.2MM
Pedro Baez (3.059) – $1.5MM
Enrique Hernandez (3.054) – $1.3MM
Joc Pederson (3.022) – $2.0MM
Yimi Garcia (3.004) – $700K
Arbitratrion raises TOTAL is 18.6 Million so if we keep them all minus Grandal (trade). Lets just make it 22 million for small raises for like Seager etc or Arb 1 players as well
177 million total current salary owed plus 22 million (arbitration raises) equals 199 million, now minus 26 million (Puig, Grandal, Forsythe) equals 173 million before Stanton.
Now we approach the Marlins about trading for Giancarlo Stanton but the only way I see I see a Stanton trade happening is if the Marlins agree to pay 80 million if Stanton does not opt out of that albatross of a contract in 2020. In addition, the Marlins have to take Brandon McCarthy’s contract McCarthys contract is 11.5 million for 18′ with a club option’ at 8 million in 19′. (FYI, I had originally thought of Scott Kazmir’s contract but he is still owed around 42 mill so I chose McCarthy’s contract)
Current payroll sits at 173 million minus 11.5 million (McCarthy) which equals 161.5 million, now add 25 million (Stanton) equals 186 MILLION CURRENT PAYROLL after Stanton acquisiton. Still within the boundary of acquiring more starting pitching without incurring the 10 spots lost in the draft?
So now, WHAT PROSPECTS GO TO THE MARLINS? The Dodgers give the Marlins #2 Alex Verdugo, #3 Yadier Alvarez, Brock Stewart. and Brandon McCarthy for Giancarlo Stanton. The Marlins get young cost controlled pitching plus an OF prospect that they will need after they trade Ozuna and Yellich down the line. .If Stanton opts out in 2020 then the Dodgers will have essentially got him for 3 years/55.5 or 19.3 million per year, which is appropriate considering Stantons monster 17′ season while considering his injury history and still having the 80 million safety valve.if Stanton does not opt out after 2020.
This .protects Dodgers due to Stantons previous injury history and essentially buys out his age 36-38 seasons which would presumably be wash years due to decline and stays within the Dodgers philosophy of not wanting to sign players over their age 35 seasons. Stanton’s contract with the Dodgers will essentially be a 7 years/212 million dollar deal (30 mill avg) for his age 28-35 seasons which could be a bargain due to Bryce Harper & Manny Machado deals coming next offseason.
For those in defense of Puig, I just look at salary and production, yes Puig should win a gold glove for his defense this year but he hit .263/346/.833 good for 3.7 WAR 28 HRS 74RBI’s while Stanton 7.6 WAR with 59 HRS 132 RBI’s sorry but thats DOUBLE the production.and he is only a year older the Puig. Some team will want Puig and will be willing to give a couple prospects. Now double Puig’s salary from 2018? Thats right, 18 million which is what we will paying for Giancarlo Stanton in 2018′ Makes total sense.
So in essence the Marlins shed 14 million salary on Stanton/McCarthy difference for 18′ but when they trade Dee Gordon they save another 11 million (Not to mention the other possible 40 million off the books for Gordon). Those two moves alone would put the Marlins below the 90 million mark after arb eligible palyers.,but will have shed 57.5 million in salary over the next three years on Stanton deal plus 80 mill more if he opts out after 2020. All in all the Marlins getting out of a 310 million dollar contract and possibly only paying 19.5 million or possibly only 100 million total while acquiring top young prospects and control could be seen as a coup.
Projected Arbitration raises for Marlins in 2018
Marcell Ozuna (4.124) – $10.9MM
Derek Dietrich (3.151) – $3.2MM
Dan Straily (3.126) – $4.6MM
Justin Bour (3.064) – $3.5MM
Miguel Rojas (3.043) – $1.1MM
J.T. Realmuto (3.038) – $4.2MM
Trading Stanton saves 14 mill in 18′, trading Dee Gordon 11 mill; Marcel Ozuna 10.9 million; Dan Straily 4.6 mill; Justin Boar 3.5 mill; JT Realmuto 4.2 mill; Christian Yellich 7 million equals 55.2 MILLION off the books for 2018′ easily under 90 million budget while securing the top minor league system with all the prospects acquired?
WHOSE THE COMPETITION FOR STANTON? Yankees NO, they want under the luxury tax. While the Cardinals have the young pitching I just dont see Stanton waiving his no trade for the Cards? The Phillies do not have pitching prospects as they seek pitching themselves and the Giants dont have the pitching prospects as well.(Tyler Beede……NOT!!) I dont see anyway the Dodgers including Walker Bueller with Alvarez in a deal but might be enticing if the Marlins sweeten the pot?
The Dodgers are in the best position knowing that the Marlins want to rid themselves of this contract and knowing Stanton would waive his no trade for Dodgers. They should either wait out the Marlins best offer as far as money included in any deal or entice them to kick in money for top prospects. Either way, the Dodgers are in a win win situation regarding Stanton and do not need to press the issue.
Hmmm but imagining Stanton’s 60 HR power in back of Justin Turner and in front of Cody Bellinger.? Tell me you wouldnt want to see California native Giancarlo Stanton launching bombs out of Dodger stadium?
With some saavy maneuvering from both FO’s they can easily replenish both farm systems while keeping an eye on payroll and maintaing fiscal responsibility. No brainer here. The Dodgers get star power to thrust them towards a championship while the Marlins regroup and slowly integrate the Jeter Groups philosophy.
Sorry for the story, next time I’ll add unicorns……..
Fowler likes St. Louis just fine
White Sox trade Dylan Cease,Blake Rutherford, and Dane Dunning for Christian Yelich and Martin Prado
That’s very interesting. I think that would work.
Sox aren’t contending so it’s highly unlikely they do that
He’s controlled through 2022
The White Sox have too many better prospects that the Marlins will most likely hold out for.
The Marlins need to just gut the whole major league roster of players over 26. their fans should be used to it they have been there before. Jeter has said it could be a 3-5 yr rebuild. They have a top 5 major league outfield so trade them individually and get the most you can to stock their system with young top level prospects.
stanton has final say and he’ll probably say no to st louis
I assume the same, but the Marlins already spoke to him, presumably providing a list of teams he would okay a trade to.. I’d assume the first question for the Cardinals would be if he would go to St. Louis or not. Otherwise, they’d move on to their next target.
Me and my client Brock Lesnar will be excited for a blockbuster deal for Stanton and yelich to the cardinals.